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Question. Hello and welcome to the
show. I am Martin Willshire, host

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and excited for another evening of UFO
Talk. Let's see a couple I've got

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a little bit of housekeeping more than
average of this time. Our blog,

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as I always talk about by Charles
Leo, this time UFO causes car crash

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with a question mark. It's a
nineteen sixty nine New Zealand encounter. That's

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very interesting. Check that out on
our website podcast UFO dot com. Tonight

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is i'd like to I'd like to
say this that I like to have people

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that are not so much mainstream and
a lot of people like that because I

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have a lot of different guests on
and Christopher Louric is our guest this evening.

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He has a book called se SG
Explorer. S SG stands for Space

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x Oh. I can't even see
my own writing here the Strike Group.

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I'll be talking to him about that
and so anyway he has written it's a

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science fiction. But he's also served
a long time to retired from the Navy,

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and I have a lot to talk
to him about as far as you

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know, Navy encounters and things like
that. A couple of things I'm going

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to be out to on a music
cruise next week, so I'll be away

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and I'm pre recording with Robert Powell
beforehand, So that'll be live the regular

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spot next week Tuesday, seven pm
to about eight pm with Robert Powell.

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Always a great guest. You should
be looking forward to that. I haven't

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talked to him yet. I'm going
to be recording with him before I leave,

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and then when we come back from
the cruise, going to be flying

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right out to the Ozarks, Arkansas. Are going to go to the Ozark

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UFO conference, which I've wanted to
go to for years. I've heard from

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many people that it's one of their
favorite conferences. So I'm really excited about

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that. Get to hang with all
my friends out there that and if you're

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going, please look me up send
me an email at Martinette PODCASTUFO dot com.

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So also, we have this coming
up this summer. I'm going to

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be the MC at this one.
In particular, I'm going to have a

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couple of guests, and that is
the move Fon Symposium that's an Irving,

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Texas and that's July eleventh through July
fourteenth, and again I'm going to have

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lots of very interesting guests beforehand coming
up on that. Now, this is

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just what I think is kind of
silly. Is April first came along,

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April Fool's Day came along this year, and I wasn't even paying attention.

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I had absolutely no idea it was
April Fool's Day. When I read this

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post by James Fox, I'm laughing
at myself here because he writes, I

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just got some deep side insider news
on this. Evidently they cover a landing

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on the White House, and I
go, why would James write that?

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That's crazy, That's just silly.
And then I saw this other post write

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down here that says lou El Alzando's
book just dropped, and it says you're

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not going to believe this bleep.
And I'm thinking, now, why would

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lou Alizondo put a title like that
in his book? Anyway? So mister

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gullible here forgot all about April Fools
anyway. So one other thing I would

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like to talk about, so this
is coming up. This is both Jonathan

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Wagan and Mike Herrera. I know
I said something quickly last week, but

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really looking forward to that should be
an extremely interesting conversation with two people that

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were both in the marine, so
they both had an encounter that there was

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a lot of similarities, including these
people that showed up in black camo afterward

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and took control of the situations in
both cases. So really these two I

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connected them, and as far as
just playing chatting, and they've also I

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know Mike talks all the time to
David Grush and so anyway, it'll be

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very interesting to hear this conversation between
the two of them together on the show

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that's May seventh, and I'm really
excited about that. And I think that's

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it for now. I thank you
all for listening, and I'll be keeping

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an eye in the chat tonight.
And if you have any questions for our

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guest or myself, please do put
them in all caps so I don't miss

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them, and if something's relevant,
I will ask you a question. And

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here we go. Thank you Christopher
for being here and joining us. Thank

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you. I appreciate the time with
you. Yeah, so you had a

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long career in the Navy, and
I have to ask you right off the

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bat, you know what was the
title? What does the title stand for?

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Again? Space Expeditionary Strike Group Expeditionary, that was the word okay,

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and that of course is fiction at
this point. But when we were talking

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in our conversation, you said that
there's something along the lines that that could

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be set up. How does that? How does that work? So I

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was at seventh Fleet between two thousand
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the Navy and Marine Corps came up
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capability called ARGMU Amphibious Readiness Group,
which is three ships with about twenty two

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to twenty three hundred marines on board
to go from seed to shore into various

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operations. I was with the fifteenth
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seven, so I floated on AMU
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operations. But anyway, in two
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destroyers and possibly a cruiser with the
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and to give the Marines a naval
fire support. And thus we created the

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Expeditionary Strike Group, and that at
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Navy captain to either a Marine general
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of all of that capability. So
when I created SESG Expeditionary, I put

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Space in front of it to clarify
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Corps team going on to space.
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six when I was deployed to Iraq
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Corps team, but I didn't publish
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and by that time Space Force was
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we call joint or unified commands,
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Air Force and Army more than I
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is now a joint flavor. I
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Air Force, and even the Army
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packed with a lot of capabilities to
go exploring. Just need the machinery right

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in the training right. One of
the things the main character noticed when he

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was assigned to the project was how
military it was, and being that they're

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going out to make first contact,
he wanted a diplomatic flavor to it.

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So he told the military, I
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We're not going to go and just
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to go be a diplomatic mission backed
up with military might. Yeah. So

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now, in reality, I wasn't
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projects between the Navy and the Marine, but that does happen all the

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time. We started under different names. It started, I believe in the

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nineteen eighties where marines would be on
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different in the eighties, I forget, but yes, every it's a rotation

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of six months at sea and takes
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marines float with the Navy all the
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what we now call Indo Pacific,
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been doing that shoot, like I
said, since the eighties. I floated

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in ninety seven with them, and
it's that floating, plus my time with

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first Marine Division and being deployed to
Irock in two thousand and six with the

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first Marine Expeditionary Force forward a lot
of words that I really got that flavor

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of the Navy Marine Corps team and
how they work together. I do mention

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the book how it can be a
lot of tension between the MEW Colonel and

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the art commodore, because there's a
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charge, but when the Marine are
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and there's a lot of tension pull. I don't delve really into it in

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the book because my focus is more
on the exploration what the crew is discovery

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on their way to the senders of
this message that they discovered. So,

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okay, I guess we can at
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overall message in the book, and
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to actually ask you a lot of
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thoughts about that, if that's okay. But so they I understand who receives

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a message and how does this in
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the message is discovered. It wasn't
sent to Earth. It was discovered through

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SETI coming across a message from deep
space from a race called the came Morgans,

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and the US immediately locked it down
and decided they would be the country

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to actually deal with this message.
Why, well, you look at the

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political tensions of our rule today.
You know alien technology, do we let

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that out the message has tech info
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It has gaps and actually making the
tech work. And this caused a concern

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among the leadership, and instead of
sending a message back like the requests from

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the Camorgans, they say, send
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there's too many holes in this message
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will send a fleet of ships to
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of diplomatic relationship with them. And
the crew when they're assembled, train and

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put on these seven ships, they're
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primary rule, it's an absolute law, never let Earth's location be known.

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We can figure out how to do
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but don't ever let them know where
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they trustworthy, are they benevolent,
or are they hostile? And so the

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admiral, the main character, Admiral
Brannigan, has that always in the front

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of his mind and all the encounters
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world of the Camoricans. As if
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every commanding officer knows to blow their
ship up. Do not let yourself be

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captured so that info is always secure. So it's mirrors I think our current

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political situation, when you're dealing with
a potential well we call it near pure

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rifle. You know who can actually
match us at sea or on land or

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in the air, and even terrorists. If you're coming across people that want

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to do harm, you want to
protect your knowledge in your home base.

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And that's really the premise, is
why that general order in the middle Jerry

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parlance, we would call it general
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i'd like to ask what inspired you
to write this in the beginning, Well,

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my imagination was woken at very young
age reading sci fi books from the

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nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. Of
course, reading Isaac Asthmov and Robert A.

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Hyland. Hyland's writing is really a
basis for some of the writing,

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as well as the nineteen fifties novels. But I'd like to tell stories,

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and in college I wrote some short
stories. I was writing a novel that

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I never finished. But in two
thousand and six, when I was deployed

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to Iraq, there was time during
the deployment I spent a year in Rock

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that I had down time, and
I just really wanted to tell the good

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stories of a Navy Marine Corps team, but in a futuristic setting, not

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floating around on the oceans and dealing
with real world countries and so forth.

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To try and hide information in a
book as difficult because when you're doing fiction,

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especially here on Earth, you really
want to avoid names and leave countries.

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for countries. We never say we're
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It's always a fictional country, and
we'll actually draw the map different, we'll

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make it an unidentical, identifiable country. Well, to try and do that

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here on Earth doesn't work. But
using the fastness of the galaxy, yeah,

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I can talk about the Navy Marine
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decision making process, leadership, moral
conflict, warriors fighting together without worrying about

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all that other stuff. So I
guess in your book, do they go

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with weaponry? I mean, you
know the thing, how could you know

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what you could match her or compete
with? And that's the key item.

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They really don't know, So they
go with the weaponry that we can actually

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produce today. This is a near
future. It's only about twenty years in

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the future. So the only only
technology that is truly science fiction with this

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group is hyperspace drive. I know
we're working on it, but we're not

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there. You know, we can't
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our own solar system, and to
make light years worth of jumps. That's

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still in truly the realm of science
fiction. The shield technology is very basic.

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They can use lasers, railguns,
hypersonics. Everything that DARPA can actually

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make happen in the next ten to
twenty years is the focus on that.

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But they really don't know what they
can match and their encounters, their second

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encounter, the Admiral actually discusses this
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that hey, we could have lost
this fight due to the technology. As

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they get into a space battle and
they find themselves actually overmatched technology wise,

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it's only by their superior tactics,
techniques and procedures that they win the fight.

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And they had discovered already a new
energy source, and they take about

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a month to revamp their entire fleet
to match whoever they might come across it.

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Next as they recognize, yeah,
we came real close to losing a

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fight. Well, and that's actually
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theory there's he's are a pass a
doctor, Frank Drake. Uh, he

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came up with yeah, yeah,
And in that he assumed if there are

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other civilizations out there, and they
estimate throughout the University of Audiham something like

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thirty or so intelligent civilizations, third
technology would be roughly our level. And

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I'm kind of glad to have stumbled
across that. Yeah. Well, I

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think it's so hard to know in
reality, you know, but you could

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only be guessing. But I mean, just to think of all the possible

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civilizations there there could be out there, and advanced ones, and it always

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comes up to, you know,
the travel of the distances, if they're

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actually coming from you know, out
there and not in dimensional whatever and whatever.

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It is always seems like it would
take a lot of energy, you

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know, more energy than you could
possibly muster. Some saying, you know,

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the energy of our son to travel
like that. But I don't know.

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It was really interesting to talk to
Mark de' antonio. I know he's

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also talked with Robert Schroeder, who's
an engineer who was on this show in

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the past. And I spoke with
Mark on my second show last week and

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he talked about how he thinks that
these things possibly may be traveling no actual

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power. What did he say,
There's no propulsion inside the craft, which

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is really bizarre to think of how
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think it's really you know, the
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people like that that have been on
the show in the past, like

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it's always about the distances just it
just seems too far with the technology that

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we have, but there's possibly something
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yet and how they could actually travel. And but that's that's the thing you

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always hear about the distance, you
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or vice versa, right, and
not being of the science disciplines, I

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do find it interesting when I come
across and listening to them and how you

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know, like right now, we're
still using rocket propulsion liquid fuels, and

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we're doing that primarily due to an
international treaty about don't weaponize space with nuclear

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power, so we don't even do
research with nuclear power for space propulsion,

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which is really limiting. Is how
do you get to a proper ion drive

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without using nuclear fish not fission,
but nuclear fusion to get the energy output

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you need for propulsion. So how
would a civilization that has cracked the code

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on traveling far distances the quantum physics
that I've heard talks about how maybe the

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general and special theories of relativity are
actually holding us back from discovering that.

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I'm surprising, Yeah, I mean
I can't really speak beyond that be a

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layman. That's why book I talked
about how our scientists on trying to figure

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out a and we'll just call it
hyperspace, had advance to a point that

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when we got the message or discovered
it, even though it had gaps,

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the info provided filled in the gaps
of our own theories, and so we

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could derive a drive despite the fact
there was no complete information in that message.

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As I think we're smart enough to
figure it out. As long as

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we maintain a competitive educational system where
we're always challenging our students in all the

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fields, the hard sciences, the
soft sciences, the humanities. I think

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as long as we're challenging them,
we're going to get extra really competent,

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intelligent people that can come up with
the theories we need to leave our Solar

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system. I'm blinking right now on
the barrier that's around our solar system.

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The house keep a lot of the
cosmic winds out from our planets. But

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there not only is there wouldn't be
that. No, there's the Kuiper Belt

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and then the barrier around that.
You know, that's something we had to

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punch through. Where's the technology to
do that? If we're not even landing

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on the Moon, let alone marsh
and we have to get to Mars in

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my opinion, in order to get
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beyond. So we can't even get
to approximate or Alpha Centauri right now.

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That's a light year away. Yeah, and that's a light that's multiple lifetimes

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right now to get there with our
current technology, and we don't really have

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cryo technology. We have a form
of cryo but yeah. Now, my

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sister and brother in law were visiting
the last number of days and he was

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he was at Los Almos Labs for
many years. He can't really talk about

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much, but he did say that
he was working in nuclear propulsion, which

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I thought that was pretty interesting.
And I don't know exactly you know,

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there was really not too much I
could ask about the details or anything about

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it. But another FORMU that does
sound kind of dangerous in a lot of

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ways. So also to me,
you know, even experimenting with it,

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seems like there could be a lot
of danger in that. Well, the

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radiation, it's kind of interesting.
I've had a couple of questions brought up

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about radiation, and thankfully I've never
had to deal with radiation. Well.

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I had to plan for accidental releases
and be ready to have medical staff as

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well as decon staff available for it. But it's such a highly dangerous product

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that if you're not decontaminated quickly and
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a matter of days die. There's
a movie about the made for television movie

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I forget the name of it,
about the Manhattan Project where they had a

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release and the physicists quickly did some
mathematics on the board and told everybody who

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was exposed and who was still safe, and in about three or four days,

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everybody who was exposed had died because
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alpha and beta raise they experienced.
So, yeah, experimenting with the stuff,

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it needs to be done. But
it is an extremely dangerous venture propulsion.

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I think I would rather have that
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Yeah. Absolutely. There was a
case called the cash Landrum case.

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I'm trying to think when it was
in the seventies, I believe in Texas.

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And it was a diamond shaped craft
and it was it and there was

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some helicopters around it kind of like
guiding it along, and there was a

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family. It was two ladies and
a young boy who I actually had on

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the show before Kolbe Landrum and they
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of speculation that this was a experiment
of craft at the time, which most

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likely it was instead of like from
somewhere else, but that was it would

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almost seem like that would have been
in like a nuclear propulsion type of situation.

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It Yeah, okay for nineteen eighty
witnesses, I'm lucky. Yeaheah,

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I'm looking it up right now.
Here's a question for you that came in

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from our chat, and she's wondering
if would a carbon molecule as see sixty

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protect or help you alleviate radiation symptoms. I don't are you familiar with that?

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how I worked with Red Health officials

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or people, but technical questions like
that, sorry beyond my grasp. Yeah,

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I worked with them in order to
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But I would immediately defer somebody to
rad Health or an actual radiation expert.

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For me, I'm putting you in
suits, I'm getting the proper materials,

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I'm getting the right people to you're
if you're in an accident that was more

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in my area specialties, Well,
what have you ever pondered, or as

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anyone ever pondered, like, what
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like a submarine if it somehow sunk
and you know, I mean, it

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just seems like that could be so
dangerous, especially if there was an implosion

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or something a very deep level.
Well, and we've had actual nuclear submarine

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accidents where there's a movie called Gray
Lady Down, which is based off of

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two different incidences of a nuclear sub
going down. But I mean, if

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so deep you can't recover, I
mean, it seems like it would be

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really very could be very hazard to
it would, but you also have such

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a diffusion with the salt water at
that volume, that level, that you

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have a diffusion of the radiation material, not that it won't have a negative

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impact where it truly lands, you
probably would have a form of wasteland at

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that point. Yeah, but yeah, I worked with scenarios of intentional releases

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of nuclear material and yeah, that's
about all I can say about that.

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Wow, that's something well, you
know, I mean, we don't we

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ignore a Fukushima that's still happening.
You know, there's still of that water,

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radioactive water being released into the Pacific, and I know it's such a

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huge ocean, but still, but
anyway, we've gone kind of way off

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the UFO topic, which is okay, But I would like to ask what

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your thoughts are. We're talking a
little before you came on the show,

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and I mentioned too that I thought
the Navy was actually doing a very good

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job when it comes to the topic
of UFOs and reporting and all that,

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and taking it much more serious or
at least talking about it compared to other

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forces. The Army a little bit, they're kind of open to at least

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some of it. But you hear
nothing from the Air Force, and has

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there been in your opinion, is
there cooperation also between the Air Force and

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the Navy for the most part,
or you know, similar to the Marines,

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or is that a whole different thing. So what's kind of funny is

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I touched briefly on Air Force and
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But you're talking culture and what is
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some matters is extremely secretive about things
as far their culture to be that a

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way, the Navy will be too, but depends what the subject matter is,

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they may be more open on issues. But again it also depends on

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the organization. What are they after
when they're being transparent. Usually, and

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I'll be an extremely skipped a person
here, it's usually about funding want a

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funding stream. So for instance,
when we in the Navy build a base,

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it's all about the shipyard and the
maintenance of the ship. The ship

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is everything, and then it's like, oh, yeah, we might need

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a place for our sailors to reside
if they're not on the ship. Whereas

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the Air Force will build all the
living quarters for all the airmen and then

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go back to Congress say I need
more money to build an airstrip. It's

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probably more of a cultural issue.
And I've seen sadly, I saw a

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Navy person really go extreme on the
rivalry between Air Force and Navy costume his

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career. Wow, really because yeah, it wasn't just occasionally with hey,

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the good old Humor Fund thing.
He really went extreme on it. And

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that's the negative side of our cultures. But I've also seen where Navy and

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Air Force worked very well together.
And that's what I do try to bring

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out in the book, is you
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Navy and Air Force. Is when
they created Space Force, they put it

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underneath the Air Force, and everybody
that's Space Force is Air Force, So

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they're going to have the same cultural
thinking right now as the Air Force.

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But I do break through that bed
in the book. You know, you

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get that tension, but they're professionals
and they're on a mission, so they

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get beyond that. They start working
as a team. And so as far

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as the you know, the Air
Force hasn't said anything. They haven't said

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boo on the UFO topic, and
they were, you know, going back

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to a Project Blue Book which closed
in nineteen sixty nine, you know that

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was what they had to you know, look seriously into the reports that went

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away said it was not needed however, there's always been something going on behind

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the scenes. But are you surprised
at all that, you know, the

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Navy has freely talked about what they
think is unidentified objects, and that the

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Air Force has not said a word
about any of what's going on with the

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Pentagon or anything. If anything surprises
me is how open the Navy is letting

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their Navy pilots talk about things.
And it seems to be the Navy pilots

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the aviators of the subculture. And
remember when you talk both Air Force and

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Navy, we have multiple cultures within
the service. The Naval aviators are a

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culture of and into themselves. Yeah, the submarine group, the surface guys,

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the carrier's surface guys. I mean, and I was of a totally

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different culture from them. I was
kind of behind the scenes guys supporting all

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of them. But I'm a little
surprised that the Navy's being so open and

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letying their pilots talk about this.
The Air Force, and I'll speculate here

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being the young service and coming out
from General LeMay, who was the big

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bomber guy who used spawned the daylights
out of Tokyo during World War Two and

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the creator of the Strategic Air Command
with the nuclear power and always having the

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flights around. We call them the
round nose and the pointing knows, guys,

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the pointing knows the fighters were shoveded
off. So they may needed blue

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Book for survival reasons funding reasons,
But today do the Air Force need them?

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And are they working on items that
they're getting the funding that they just

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rather be quiet. They may not
require funding, they may not require the

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attention, So they're going to be
mum about items. The Navy, they're

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going to want to be seen with
a lot of the things going on.

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I'm going to call it the Philippines
Sea by the South China Sea, and

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there's a political reason to that.
The Navy's gonna want money for carriers or

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submarines or something because they're out there
in an ear peer fight with China over

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territorial waters. So they're going to
be more transparent and open to garner support

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for their funding streams. And that's
give you an organizational behavior answer to two

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different organizations and how they're responding to
the questions. It's not that they're really

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caring to hide or tell you the
truth. They're just way there's survival and

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they're toys to be the pessimist that
I always have been. Well, well,

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it's good to hear your insight.
And had you ever heard of the

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term fast movers? Probably not in
the UAP since yeah, well it's actually

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us O. There's supposedly, you
know, submarines that have noted these really

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fast moving objects underwater. And I
just wonder if you ever heard that term

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as far as when you were in
the navy. Not so much. No,

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And our supposition in the book is
really, well, actually, I

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take that back. The Admiral does
have a thought in his head about close

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encounters. So in the book,
I do give acknowledgement to people being exposed

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to extraterrestrials and having encounters, because
the Admiral actually is faced with the moral

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dilemma at one point in the book
and he thinks back to all these encounters

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that people report having, could he
have finally found people species that have visited

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our planet? And he's very concerned
about that and what that means. It

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causes an emotional tension within himself on
that. But I know you already know

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this. I would assume we're we're
looking on unmanned underwater vehicles for a variety

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of different missions. Could that have
been in response to that or just how

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to use new technology a different way? You know, and leave that as

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a question. Yeah, And I
understand there's some type of torpedo that shoots

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like era something in front of it
that actually can really go fast. There's

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some type of new technology, not
probably not that new, but new that

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I think is public. Here's a
question for you. Did you have any

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vetting on your on your book?
Did you have to get anything vetted that

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you're talking about when it came to
you know, the Navy or anything like

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that. Right, So, and
everything I write for publication I have to

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send to the Department of Defense for
their review and approval. Is that right?

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Wow? Yes? So right now
the follow them. But SEESG Explorer

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is I just got the word today
it's fifth and Q for the final review.

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But SEESG Explorer had to go through
a review and I actually had the

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letters. I have two letters coming
back from DoD saying you're clear. So

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I'm expecting that with the second book. Interesting. Wow, And so someone

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actually reads through to see if there's
anything exposed that might be classified or something

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like that. I suppose it is
when I was really digging into this,

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because I mentioned all the services.
Each service takes a look at it,

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as well as the Department of Defense. I don't think they sent it to

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State Department, even though I do
talk about the US State Department both books,

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and it will probably be in the
last book. It's a trilogy that

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I'm writing. No, I see, I don't think they sent to State

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Department because they probably said, no, don't bubblish. Yeah, but the

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military they recognized as sci fi.
They also recognize that all the technology that

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I do discuss in the book is
open source. It's you know, nothing

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in the classified rail So yeah,
yeah, And personally, what do you

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think about people saying they actually encounter, you know, something that seems otherworldly.

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You know, as far as let's
just talk about a Navy incident,

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the tic tac Ufo incident in two
thousand and four, I don't know how

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much you've looked into that off of
the coast of San Diego. You know,

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in Fraver you did mention that,
you know, the Navy officers or

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pilots can actually talk about this.
And David Fraber, I'm sure you must

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have seen him talk about the encounter
on sixty minutes or somewhere. So as

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a Christian, I've had my own
encounters with spiritual beings, So how do

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I disparage or invalidate somebody else's experience? You know, I can't confirm what

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they say based off of anything I've
dealt with in my career. I do

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make the supposition that we as the
United States, have worked on technology since

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we came out of World War Two. Lockey Martin really was the technological premiere

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of all the flight industry, and
there was a public broadcast system show I

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think called Flight that traces even before
World War Two, the history of flight

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in our country. And in one
of those episodes, they were talking about

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the futuristic technology they were trying to
do, such as an actual flying saucer,

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and the SR seventy one Blackbird was
developed actually, I think in the

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fifties, and that technology led all
the way to our stealth bombers and stealth

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fighters and the F twenty two Raptor
of today, all that technology. In

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fact, in nineteen eighty eight,
I believe I did a paper on the

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foe to Raptor. It wasn't called
it at that time, but we had

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that plane fifth generation fighter stealth and
able to do all those fancy moves and

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what they showed in Tapka Maverick with
that plane. It can actually do that.

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But I did a paper on it
in college about that paper or about

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that bird and all the computer information
and the chips, uh, computer chips

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that takes to fly that plane are
stealth fighters. A person cannot fly that

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plane without technology. Is such an
ungainly plane from the nineteen nineties that it

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required micro connection or corrections just to
fly a straight line. So I would

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doubt it. Yeah, and that's
technology that was being worked on from the

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nineteen sixties. So when we have
encounters, it makes me wonder, are

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you really dealing with an extra terrestrial
craft? Are you dealing with something that

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our government? And when I say
government, I can't just say it's military.

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Is I'm blanking on the admiral's name
right now? Rickover? Admiral Rickover

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was not only an admiral in the
US Navy, he was actually in charge

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of the Department of Energy for a
while. He held the nuclear control in

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DOE As. He was also Admiral
of the Naval Nuclear Systems and he linked

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the Navy propulsion Navy Nuclear Propulsion to
Department of Energy. So I say,

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US government, who knows what technology
we're actually working on and testing either over

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the water or over land. So
it's hard for me to say, yep,

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that's definitely a extraterrestrial when we do
know we've been working since the fifties

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or sixties on such technology. Well, you know, there's a lot there's

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a lot of things to explain when
it comes to the different counters people have

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had over the years. For instance, you know the triangles that float slowly

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that they have seen that could be
well over a mile wide. I mean

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in the Phoenix lights. I'm just
making a for instance here. Some people

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have speculated it's a lot. It
was a lot more than a mile wide

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and going at a slow you know, slow move over And how could they

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house something like that? That was
a nineteen nine Lessie March thirteenth, nineteen

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ninety seven, I think that's when
that was. But there have been talks

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about things, you know, going
way back that were you know going so

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the speed was just unreasonable to imagine
that we had that technology, you know,

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something at six thousand miles an hour
and right hand turns on a dime

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you know, things like that.
So I think there's a lot more that

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would have to be explained outside of
our technology myself, But it doesn't mean

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that a number of things people have
seen were our own. What I saw

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was a perfectly round disc, you
know, floating and moving and stopping and

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then going again. That was the
genesis of me looking into this topic and

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starting the show that I just figured
I can't understand how that could possibly be

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doing what it was doing and making
no noise at all. That was interesting,

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but we only have about four minutes, three and a half minutes something

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like that. It went pretty fast. But here's a question that kind of

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dovetails into what you just mentioned a
few minutes ago. What do you think

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about the idea supported by some people
about the connection between ets UFOs and human

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spiritualism. I find it really a
fascinating subject, and while I don't really

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look at that in the book,
I definitely embraced the notion there's eleven.

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I even heard there's twelve dimensions of
space. I just recently heard there's a

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twelfth one, and we know spirits
actually had to right in at least six

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dimensions to move the way they do
move, so as our encounters. Are

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they otherworldly? Yes? Are they
from another dimension? I think definitely yes.

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How much of is another planet doing
let's say, astro projection to our

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planet. That'd be a tough one. How do you measure that? How

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do you figure that out? Until
we can measure it, we can't really

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define it or answer it. And
for our science community to dismiss the spiritual

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aspect so readily, I think there's
a disservice to all of us. I

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agree. And if they would actually
try to measure it, they may discover

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actually how to travel beyond solar system. Yeah, you know, it keeps

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an open mind, and science should
always be open. And a lot of

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times, you know, we've always
thought we're at the apex of knowledge,

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you know, for all of our
existence, but we have run out of

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time. Thank you so much.
And the book is called SCSG Explorer by

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Christopher Lorick. Thank you so much, Christopher, take care, Thank you

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appreciate it. Sure thing, all
right, everyone again, I'll be gone

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next week, but we'll have a
show with Robert Powell at the same time

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next week next Tuesday. Thank you
so much everyone, and for tuning in

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tonight, and remember to keep your
eyes to the sky,