Question. Hello and welcome to the show. I am Martin Willshire, host
and excited for another evening of UFO Talk. Let's see a couple I've got
a little bit of housekeeping more than average of this time. Our blog,
as I always talk about by Charles Leo, this time UFO causes car crash
with a question mark. It's a nineteen sixty nine New Zealand encounter. That's
very interesting. Check that out on our website podcast UFO dot com. Tonight
is i'd like to I'd like to say this that I like to have people
that are not so much mainstream and a lot of people like that because I
have a lot of different guests on and Christopher Louric is our guest this evening.
He has a book called se SG Explorer. S SG stands for Space
x Oh. I can't even see my own writing here the Strike Group.
I'll be talking to him about that and so anyway he has written it's a
science fiction. But he's also served a long time to retired from the Navy,
and I have a lot to talk to him about as far as you
know, Navy encounters and things like that. A couple of things I'm going
to be out to on a music cruise next week, so I'll be away
and I'm pre recording with Robert Powell beforehand, So that'll be live the regular
spot next week Tuesday, seven pm to about eight pm with Robert Powell.
Always a great guest. You should be looking forward to that. I haven't
talked to him yet. I'm going to be recording with him before I leave,
and then when we come back from the cruise, going to be flying
right out to the Ozarks, Arkansas. Are going to go to the Ozark
UFO conference, which I've wanted to go to for years. I've heard from
many people that it's one of their favorite conferences. So I'm really excited about
that. Get to hang with all my friends out there that and if you're
going, please look me up send me an email at Martinette PODCASTUFO dot com.
So also, we have this coming up this summer. I'm going to
be the MC at this one. In particular, I'm going to have a
couple of guests, and that is the move Fon Symposium that's an Irving,
Texas and that's July eleventh through July fourteenth, and again I'm going to have
lots of very interesting guests beforehand coming up on that. Now, this is
just what I think is kind of silly. Is April first came along,
April Fool's Day came along this year, and I wasn't even paying attention.
I had absolutely no idea it was April Fool's Day. When I read this
post by James Fox, I'm laughing at myself here because he writes, I
just got some deep side insider news on this. Evidently they cover a landing
on the White House, and I go, why would James write that?
That's crazy, That's just silly. And then I saw this other post write
down here that says lou El Alzando's book just dropped, and it says you're
not going to believe this bleep. And I'm thinking, now, why would
lou Alizondo put a title like that in his book? Anyway? So mister
gullible here forgot all about April Fools anyway. So one other thing I would
like to talk about, so this is coming up. This is both Jonathan
Wagan and Mike Herrera. I know I said something quickly last week, but
really looking forward to that should be an extremely interesting conversation with two people that
were both in the marine, so they both had an encounter that there was
a lot of similarities, including these people that showed up in black camo afterward
and took control of the situations in both cases. So really these two I
connected them, and as far as just playing chatting, and they've also I
know Mike talks all the time to David Grush and so anyway, it'll be
very interesting to hear this conversation between the two of them together on the show
that's May seventh, and I'm really excited about that. And I think that's
it for now. I thank you all for listening, and I'll be keeping
an eye in the chat tonight. And if you have any questions for our
guest or myself, please do put them in all caps so I don't miss
them, and if something's relevant, I will ask you a question. And
here we go. Thank you Christopher for being here and joining us. Thank
you. I appreciate the time with you. Yeah, so you had a
long career in the Navy, and I have to ask you right off the
bat, you know what was the title? What does the title stand for?
Again? Space Expeditionary Strike Group Expeditionary, that was the word okay,
and that of course is fiction at this point. But when we were talking
in our conversation, you said that there's something along the lines that that could
be set up. How does that? How does that work? So I
was at seventh Fleet between two thousand and one. In two thousand and three,
the Navy and Marine Corps came up with the new capability. There's a
capability called ARGMU Amphibious Readiness Group, which is three ships with about twenty two
to twenty three hundred marines on board to go from seed to shore into various
operations. I was with the fifteenth mew Sock Special Operations capability in nineteen ninety
seven, so I floated on AMU and deployed with them in support of different
operations. But anyway, in two thousand and one, we decided to put
destroyers and possibly a cruiser with the in a submarine to give them added firepower
and to give the Marines a naval fire support. And thus we created the
Expeditionary Strike Group, and that at that time we elevated the commodore from a
Navy captain to either a Marine general or a Navy admiral to be in charge
of all of that capability. So when I created SESG Expeditionary, I put
Space in front of it to clarify this is going to be a Navy Marine
Corps team going on to space. And I wrote that in two thousand and
six when I was deployed to Iraq and I wanted to highlight the Navy Marine
Corps team, but I didn't publish until last year after I had retired,
and by that time Space Force was created, and I had served in what
we call joint or unified commands, and so I was really exposed to the
Air Force and Army more than I had ever been. And so the book
is now a joint flavor. I have Space Force, Navy, Marines,
Air Force, and even the Army Ranger Platoon in the book. So it's
packed with a lot of capabilities to go exploring. Just need the machinery right
in the training right. One of the things the main character noticed when he
was assigned to the project was how military it was, and being that they're
going out to make first contact, he wanted a diplomatic flavor to it.
So he told the military, I need a diplomat and a small diplomatic corps.
We're not going to go and just be a military might. We're going
to go be a diplomatic mission backed up with military might. Yeah. So
now, in reality, I wasn't really aware of like a joint you know,
projects between the Navy and the Marine, but that does happen all the
time. We started under different names. It started, I believe in the
nineteen eighties where marines would be on board ships, and that was called something
different in the eighties, I forget, but yes, every it's a rotation
of six months at sea and takes literally Congress to approve an extension. But
marines float with the Navy all the time. I'm in both the Mediterranean and
what we now call Indo Pacific, but in the Pacific area, and we've
been doing that shoot, like I said, since the eighties. I floated
in ninety seven with them, and it's that floating, plus my time with
first Marine Division and being deployed to Irock in two thousand and six with the
first Marine Expeditionary Force forward a lot of words that I really got that flavor
of the Navy Marine Corps team and how they work together. I do mention
the book how it can be a lot of tension between the MEW Colonel and
the art commodore, because there's a when you're at sea, the Navy's in
charge, but when the Marine are doing operations, the Marines become in charge
and there's a lot of tension pull. I don't delve really into it in
the book because my focus is more on the exploration what the crew is discovery
on their way to the senders of this message that they discovered. So,
okay, I guess we can at this point we'll go into kind of the
overall message in the book, and you know, and then I wouldn't want
to actually ask you a lot of questions in regards to the Navy in your
thoughts about that, if that's okay. But so they I understand who receives
a message and how does this in the book? So yeah, yeah,
the message is discovered. It wasn't sent to Earth. It was discovered through
SETI coming across a message from deep space from a race called the came Morgans,
and the US immediately locked it down and decided they would be the country
to actually deal with this message. Why, well, you look at the
political tensions of our rule today. You know alien technology, do we let
that out the message has tech info in it, but it's missing technology.
It has gaps and actually making the tech work. And this caused a concern
among the leadership, and instead of sending a message back like the requests from
the Camorgans, they say, send us a message the USS. No,
there's too many holes in this message for us to truly trust them. So
will send a fleet of ships to go meet them and hopefully have some sort
of diplomatic relationship with them. And the crew when they're assembled, train and
put on these seven ships, they're told to go out there. In your
primary rule, it's an absolute law, never let Earth's location be known.
We can figure out how to do trade through a secure border at another point,
but don't ever let them know where we're at. We don't know are
they trustworthy, are they benevolent, or are they hostile? And so the
admiral, the main character, Admiral Brannigan, has that always in the front
of his mind and all the encounters they have along the way to the home
world of the Camoricans. As if you're captured or about to be captured,
every commanding officer knows to blow their ship up. Do not let yourself be
captured so that info is always secure. So it's mirrors I think our current
political situation, when you're dealing with a potential well we call it near pure
rifle. You know who can actually match us at sea or on land or
in the air, and even terrorists. If you're coming across people that want
to do harm, you want to protect your knowledge in your home base.
And that's really the premise, is why that general order in the middle Jerry
parlance, we would call it general Order number one. And so I guess
i'd like to ask what inspired you to write this in the beginning, Well,
my imagination was woken at very young age reading sci fi books from the
nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. Of course, reading Isaac Asthmov and Robert A.
Hyland. Hyland's writing is really a basis for some of the writing,
as well as the nineteen fifties novels. But I'd like to tell stories,
and in college I wrote some short stories. I was writing a novel that
I never finished. But in two thousand and six, when I was deployed
to Iraq, there was time during the deployment I spent a year in Rock
that I had down time, and I just really wanted to tell the good
stories of a Navy Marine Corps team, but in a futuristic setting, not
floating around on the oceans and dealing with real world countries and so forth.
To try and hide information in a book as difficult because when you're doing fiction,
especially here on Earth, you really want to avoid names and leave countries.
You know, when we do wargame, we come up with fictional names
for countries. We never say we're actually doing a wargame against a country.
It's always a fictional country, and we'll actually draw the map different, we'll
make it an unidentical, identifiable country. Well, to try and do that
here on Earth doesn't work. But using the fastness of the galaxy, yeah,
I can talk about the Navy Marine Corps team. I can go through
decision making process, leadership, moral conflict, warriors fighting together without worrying about
all that other stuff. So I guess in your book, do they go
with weaponry? I mean, you know the thing, how could you know
what you could match her or compete with? And that's the key item.
They really don't know, So they go with the weaponry that we can actually
produce today. This is a near future. It's only about twenty years in
the future. So the only only technology that is truly science fiction with this
group is hyperspace drive. I know we're working on it, but we're not
there. You know, we can't even get to Mars let alone outside of
our own solar system, and to make light years worth of jumps. That's
still in truly the realm of science fiction. The shield technology is very basic.
They can use lasers, railguns, hypersonics. Everything that DARPA can actually
make happen in the next ten to twenty years is the focus on that.
But they really don't know what they can match and their encounters, their second
encounter, the Admiral actually discusses this with his science team and his military leadership
that hey, we could have lost this fight due to the technology. As
they get into a space battle and they find themselves actually overmatched technology wise,
it's only by their superior tactics, techniques and procedures that they win the fight.
And they had discovered already a new energy source, and they take about
a month to revamp their entire fleet to match whoever they might come across it.
Next as they recognize, yeah, we came real close to losing a
fight. Well, and that's actually I think kind of based off of a
theory there's he's are a pass a doctor, Frank Drake. Uh, he
came up with yeah, yeah, And in that he assumed if there are
other civilizations out there, and they estimate throughout the University of Audiham something like
thirty or so intelligent civilizations, third technology would be roughly our level. And
I'm kind of glad to have stumbled across that. Yeah. Well, I
think it's so hard to know in reality, you know, but you could
only be guessing. But I mean, just to think of all the possible
civilizations there there could be out there, and advanced ones, and it always
comes up to, you know, the travel of the distances, if they're
actually coming from you know, out there and not in dimensional whatever and whatever.
It is always seems like it would take a lot of energy, you
know, more energy than you could possibly muster. Some saying, you know,
the energy of our son to travel like that. But I don't know.
It was really interesting to talk to Mark de' antonio. I know he's
also talked with Robert Schroeder, who's an engineer who was on this show in
the past. And I spoke with Mark on my second show last week and
he talked about how he thinks that these things possibly may be traveling no actual
power. What did he say, There's no propulsion inside the craft, which
is really bizarre to think of how this this thing could work. But I
think it's really you know, the talks have had with different astronomers, astrophysicists,
people like that that have been on the show in the past, like
it's always about the distances just it just seems too far with the technology that
we have, but there's possibly something in physics that we have not stumbled across
yet and how they could actually travel. And but that's that's the thing you
always hear about the distance, you know, getting to those distances from here
or vice versa, right, and not being of the science disciplines, I
do find it interesting when I come across and listening to them and how you
know, like right now, we're still using rocket propulsion liquid fuels, and
we're doing that primarily due to an international treaty about don't weaponize space with nuclear
power, so we don't even do research with nuclear power for space propulsion,
which is really limiting. Is how do you get to a proper ion drive
without using nuclear fish not fission, but nuclear fusion to get the energy output
you need for propulsion. So how would a civilization that has cracked the code
on traveling far distances the quantum physics that I've heard talks about how maybe the
general and special theories of relativity are actually holding us back from discovering that.
I'm surprising, Yeah, I mean I can't really speak beyond that be a
layman. That's why book I talked about how our scientists on trying to figure
out a and we'll just call it hyperspace, had advance to a point that
when we got the message or discovered it, even though it had gaps,
the info provided filled in the gaps of our own theories, and so we
could derive a drive despite the fact there was no complete information in that message.
As I think we're smart enough to figure it out. As long as
we maintain a competitive educational system where we're always challenging our students in all the
fields, the hard sciences, the soft sciences, the humanities. I think
as long as we're challenging them, we're going to get extra really competent,
intelligent people that can come up with the theories we need to leave our Solar
system. I'm blinking right now on the barrier that's around our solar system.
The house keep a lot of the cosmic winds out from our planets. But
there not only is there wouldn't be that. No, there's the Kuiper Belt
and then the barrier around that. You know, that's something we had to
punch through. Where's the technology to do that? If we're not even landing
on the Moon, let alone marsh and we have to get to Mars in
my opinion, in order to get to the rest of the Solar System and
beyond. So we can't even get to approximate or Alpha Centauri right now.
That's a light year away. Yeah, and that's a light that's multiple lifetimes
right now to get there with our current technology, and we don't really have
cryo technology. We have a form of cryo but yeah. Now, my
sister and brother in law were visiting the last number of days and he was
he was at Los Almos Labs for many years. He can't really talk about
much, but he did say that he was working in nuclear propulsion, which
I thought that was pretty interesting. And I don't know exactly you know,
there was really not too much I could ask about the details or anything about
it. But another FORMU that does sound kind of dangerous in a lot of
ways. So also to me, you know, even experimenting with it,
seems like there could be a lot of danger in that. Well, the
radiation, it's kind of interesting. I've had a couple of questions brought up
about radiation, and thankfully I've never had to deal with radiation. Well.
I had to plan for accidental releases and be ready to have medical staff as
well as decon staff available for it. But it's such a highly dangerous product
that if you're not decontaminated quickly and receive medical care, you can really within
a matter of days die. There's a movie about the made for television movie
I forget the name of it, about the Manhattan Project where they had a
release and the physicists quickly did some mathematics on the board and told everybody who
was exposed and who was still safe, and in about three or four days,
everybody who was exposed had died because of the high level of the Gama
alpha and beta raise they experienced. So, yeah, experimenting with the stuff,
it needs to be done. But it is an extremely dangerous venture propulsion.
I think I would rather have that done in outer space on the planet.
Yeah. Absolutely. There was a case called the cash Landrum case.
I'm trying to think when it was in the seventies, I believe in Texas.
And it was a diamond shaped craft and it was it and there was
some helicopters around it kind of like guiding it along, and there was a
family. It was two ladies and a young boy who I actually had on
the show before Kolbe Landrum and they suffered radiation burns. And there's a lot
of speculation that this was a experiment of craft at the time, which most
likely it was instead of like from somewhere else, but that was it would
almost seem like that would have been in like a nuclear propulsion type of situation.
It Yeah, okay for nineteen eighty witnesses, I'm lucky. Yeaheah,
I'm looking it up right now. Here's a question for you that came in
from our chat, and she's wondering if would a carbon molecule as see sixty
protect or help you alleviate radiation symptoms. I don't are you familiar with that?
No, mine especially was not radiation how I worked with Red Health officials
or people, but technical questions like that, sorry beyond my grasp. Yeah,
I worked with them in order to properly plan or response to release.
But I would immediately defer somebody to rad Health or an actual radiation expert.
For me, I'm putting you in suits, I'm getting the proper materials,
I'm getting the right people to you're if you're in an accident that was more
in my area specialties, Well, what have you ever pondered, or as
anyone ever pondered, like, what would happen to like a nuclear vessel,
like a submarine if it somehow sunk and you know, I mean, it
just seems like that could be so dangerous, especially if there was an implosion
or something a very deep level. Well, and we've had actual nuclear submarine
accidents where there's a movie called Gray Lady Down, which is based off of
two different incidences of a nuclear sub going down. But I mean, if
so deep you can't recover, I mean, it seems like it would be
really very could be very hazard to it would, but you also have such
a diffusion with the salt water at that volume, that level, that you
have a diffusion of the radiation material, not that it won't have a negative
impact where it truly lands, you probably would have a form of wasteland at
that point. Yeah, but yeah, I worked with scenarios of intentional releases
of nuclear material and yeah, that's about all I can say about that.
Wow, that's something well, you know, I mean, we don't we
ignore a Fukushima that's still happening. You know, there's still of that water,
radioactive water being released into the Pacific, and I know it's such a
huge ocean, but still, but anyway, we've gone kind of way off
the UFO topic, which is okay, But I would like to ask what
your thoughts are. We're talking a little before you came on the show,
and I mentioned too that I thought the Navy was actually doing a very good
job when it comes to the topic of UFOs and reporting and all that,
and taking it much more serious or at least talking about it compared to other
forces. The Army a little bit, they're kind of open to at least
some of it. But you hear nothing from the Air Force, and has
there been in your opinion, is there cooperation also between the Air Force and
the Navy for the most part, or you know, similar to the Marines,
or is that a whole different thing. So what's kind of funny is
I touched briefly on Air Force and Navy in chapter two of my book,
But you're talking culture and what is the organization's objective. The Air Force on
some matters is extremely secretive about things as far their culture to be that a
way, the Navy will be too, but depends what the subject matter is,
they may be more open on issues. But again it also depends on
the organization. What are they after when they're being transparent. Usually, and
I'll be an extremely skipped a person here, it's usually about funding want a
funding stream. So for instance, when we in the Navy build a base,
it's all about the shipyard and the maintenance of the ship. The ship
is everything, and then it's like, oh, yeah, we might need
a place for our sailors to reside if they're not on the ship. Whereas
the Air Force will build all the living quarters for all the airmen and then
go back to Congress say I need more money to build an airstrip. It's
probably more of a cultural issue. And I've seen sadly, I saw a
Navy person really go extreme on the rivalry between Air Force and Navy costume his
career. Wow, really because yeah, it wasn't just occasionally with hey,
the good old Humor Fund thing. He really went extreme on it. And
that's the negative side of our cultures. But I've also seen where Navy and
Air Force worked very well together. And that's what I do try to bring
out in the book, is you have a ship with different cultures, primarily
Navy and Air Force. Is when they created Space Force, they put it
underneath the Air Force, and everybody that's Space Force is Air Force, So
they're going to have the same cultural thinking right now as the Air Force.
But I do break through that bed in the book. You know, you
get that tension, but they're professionals and they're on a mission, so they
get beyond that. They start working as a team. And so as far
as the you know, the Air Force hasn't said anything. They haven't said
boo on the UFO topic, and they were, you know, going back
to a Project Blue Book which closed in nineteen sixty nine, you know that
was what they had to you know, look seriously into the reports that went
away said it was not needed however, there's always been something going on behind
the scenes. But are you surprised at all that, you know, the
Navy has freely talked about what they think is unidentified objects, and that the
Air Force has not said a word about any of what's going on with the
Pentagon or anything. If anything surprises me is how open the Navy is letting
their Navy pilots talk about things. And it seems to be the Navy pilots
the aviators of the subculture. And remember when you talk both Air Force and
Navy, we have multiple cultures within the service. The Naval aviators are a
culture of and into themselves. Yeah, the submarine group, the surface guys,
the carrier's surface guys. I mean, and I was of a totally
different culture from them. I was kind of behind the scenes guys supporting all
of them. But I'm a little surprised that the Navy's being so open and
letying their pilots talk about this. The Air Force, and I'll speculate here
being the young service and coming out from General LeMay, who was the big
bomber guy who used spawned the daylights out of Tokyo during World War Two and
the creator of the Strategic Air Command with the nuclear power and always having the
flights around. We call them the round nose and the pointing knows, guys,
the pointing knows the fighters were shoveded off. So they may needed blue
Book for survival reasons funding reasons, But today do the Air Force need them?
And are they working on items that they're getting the funding that they just
rather be quiet. They may not require funding, they may not require the
attention, So they're going to be mum about items. The Navy, they're
going to want to be seen with a lot of the things going on.
I'm going to call it the Philippines Sea by the South China Sea, and
there's a political reason to that. The Navy's gonna want money for carriers or
submarines or something because they're out there in an ear peer fight with China over
territorial waters. So they're going to be more transparent and open to garner support
for their funding streams. And that's give you an organizational behavior answer to two
different organizations and how they're responding to the questions. It's not that they're really
caring to hide or tell you the truth. They're just way there's survival and
they're toys to be the pessimist that I always have been. Well, well,
it's good to hear your insight. And had you ever heard of the
term fast movers? Probably not in the UAP since yeah, well it's actually
us O. There's supposedly, you know, submarines that have noted these really
fast moving objects underwater. And I just wonder if you ever heard that term
as far as when you were in the navy. Not so much. No,
And our supposition in the book is really, well, actually, I
take that back. The Admiral does have a thought in his head about close
encounters. So in the book, I do give acknowledgement to people being exposed
to extraterrestrials and having encounters, because the Admiral actually is faced with the moral
dilemma at one point in the book and he thinks back to all these encounters
that people report having, could he have finally found people species that have visited
our planet? And he's very concerned about that and what that means. It
causes an emotional tension within himself on that. But I know you already know
this. I would assume we're we're looking on unmanned underwater vehicles for a variety
of different missions. Could that have been in response to that or just how
to use new technology a different way? You know, and leave that as
a question. Yeah, And I understand there's some type of torpedo that shoots
like era something in front of it that actually can really go fast. There's
some type of new technology, not probably not that new, but new that
I think is public. Here's a question for you. Did you have any
vetting on your on your book? Did you have to get anything vetted that
you're talking about when it came to you know, the Navy or anything like
that. Right, So, and everything I write for publication I have to
send to the Department of Defense for their review and approval. Is that right?
Wow? Yes? So right now the follow them. But SEESG Explorer
is I just got the word today it's fifth and Q for the final review.
But SEESG Explorer had to go through a review and I actually had the
letters. I have two letters coming back from DoD saying you're clear. So
I'm expecting that with the second book. Interesting. Wow, And so someone
actually reads through to see if there's anything exposed that might be classified or something
like that. I suppose it is when I was really digging into this,
because I mentioned all the services. Each service takes a look at it,
as well as the Department of Defense. I don't think they sent it to
State Department, even though I do talk about the US State Department both books,
and it will probably be in the last book. It's a trilogy that
I'm writing. No, I see, I don't think they sent to State
Department because they probably said, no, don't bubblish. Yeah, but the
military they recognized as sci fi. They also recognize that all the technology that
I do discuss in the book is open source. It's you know, nothing
in the classified rail So yeah, yeah, And personally, what do you
think about people saying they actually encounter, you know, something that seems otherworldly.
You know, as far as let's just talk about a Navy incident,
the tic tac Ufo incident in two thousand and four, I don't know how
much you've looked into that off of the coast of San Diego. You know,
in Fraver you did mention that, you know, the Navy officers or
pilots can actually talk about this. And David Fraber, I'm sure you must
have seen him talk about the encounter on sixty minutes or somewhere. So as
a Christian, I've had my own encounters with spiritual beings, So how do
I disparage or invalidate somebody else's experience? You know, I can't confirm what
they say based off of anything I've dealt with in my career. I do
make the supposition that we as the United States, have worked on technology since
we came out of World War Two. Lockey Martin really was the technological premiere
of all the flight industry, and there was a public broadcast system show I
think called Flight that traces even before World War Two, the history of flight
in our country. And in one of those episodes, they were talking about
the futuristic technology they were trying to do, such as an actual flying saucer,
and the SR seventy one Blackbird was developed actually, I think in the
fifties, and that technology led all the way to our stealth bombers and stealth
fighters and the F twenty two Raptor of today, all that technology. In
fact, in nineteen eighty eight, I believe I did a paper on the
foe to Raptor. It wasn't called it at that time, but we had
that plane fifth generation fighter stealth and able to do all those fancy moves and
what they showed in Tapka Maverick with that plane. It can actually do that.
But I did a paper on it in college about that paper or about
that bird and all the computer information and the chips, uh, computer chips
that takes to fly that plane are stealth fighters. A person cannot fly that
plane without technology. Is such an ungainly plane from the nineteen nineties that it
required micro connection or corrections just to fly a straight line. So I would
doubt it. Yeah, and that's technology that was being worked on from the
nineteen sixties. So when we have encounters, it makes me wonder, are
you really dealing with an extra terrestrial craft? Are you dealing with something that
our government? And when I say government, I can't just say it's military.
Is I'm blanking on the admiral's name right now? Rickover? Admiral Rickover
was not only an admiral in the US Navy, he was actually in charge
of the Department of Energy for a while. He held the nuclear control in
DOE As. He was also Admiral of the Naval Nuclear Systems and he linked
the Navy propulsion Navy Nuclear Propulsion to Department of Energy. So I say,
US government, who knows what technology we're actually working on and testing either over
the water or over land. So it's hard for me to say, yep,
that's definitely a extraterrestrial when we do know we've been working since the fifties
or sixties on such technology. Well, you know, there's a lot there's
a lot of things to explain when it comes to the different counters people have
had over the years. For instance, you know the triangles that float slowly
that they have seen that could be well over a mile wide. I mean
in the Phoenix lights. I'm just making a for instance here. Some people
have speculated it's a lot. It was a lot more than a mile wide
and going at a slow you know, slow move over And how could they
house something like that? That was a nineteen nine Lessie March thirteenth, nineteen
ninety seven, I think that's when that was. But there have been talks
about things, you know, going way back that were you know going so
the speed was just unreasonable to imagine that we had that technology, you know,
something at six thousand miles an hour and right hand turns on a dime
you know, things like that. So I think there's a lot more that
would have to be explained outside of our technology myself, But it doesn't mean
that a number of things people have seen were our own. What I saw
was a perfectly round disc, you know, floating and moving and stopping and
then going again. That was the genesis of me looking into this topic and
starting the show that I just figured I can't understand how that could possibly be
doing what it was doing and making no noise at all. That was interesting,
but we only have about four minutes, three and a half minutes something
like that. It went pretty fast. But here's a question that kind of
dovetails into what you just mentioned a few minutes ago. What do you think
about the idea supported by some people about the connection between ets UFOs and human
spiritualism. I find it really a fascinating subject, and while I don't really
look at that in the book, I definitely embraced the notion there's eleven.
I even heard there's twelve dimensions of space. I just recently heard there's a
twelfth one, and we know spirits actually had to right in at least six
dimensions to move the way they do move, so as our encounters. Are
they otherworldly? Yes? Are they from another dimension? I think definitely yes.
How much of is another planet doing let's say, astro projection to our
planet. That'd be a tough one. How do you measure that? How
do you figure that out? Until we can measure it, we can't really
define it or answer it. And for our science community to dismiss the spiritual
aspect so readily, I think there's a disservice to all of us. I
agree. And if they would actually try to measure it, they may discover
actually how to travel beyond solar system. Yeah, you know, it keeps
an open mind, and science should always be open. And a lot of
times, you know, we've always thought we're at the apex of knowledge,
you know, for all of our existence, but we have run out of
time. Thank you so much. And the book is called SCSG Explorer by
Christopher Lorick. Thank you so much, Christopher, take care, Thank you
appreciate it. Sure thing, all right, everyone again, I'll be gone
next week, but we'll have a show with Robert Powell at the same time
next week next Tuesday. Thank you so much everyone, and for tuning in
tonight, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky,