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your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay,

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Hey, Bobs, what's happening man? How much? What's going on?

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Cliff? All sorts of stuff,
really, all sorts of stuff.

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Summers winding down, the wildfires.
I'm super happy about that. I get

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sketched out about that every year.
Now. This is probably my least favorite

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time of year. I thought,
something, you're happy about them? No,

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no, no, no, not
at all. They're super sketchy,

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know because I live in a tinder
box. After all you're having there's lack

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of fires exactly. Yeah, I'm
really happy there's a lack of fires right

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now. There was actually one in
the sandy just like two miles from the

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house over the weekend, basically like
on Sunday, I think it burst out.

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We had an electoral storm come through
the night. It was pretty bitch

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and watching it. But we're sitting
on Oh no, there's thirteen. We

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had like a real low fire this
summer, like nothing around here, and

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then the thirteen fires sparked up over
that lightning storm and Bluff Creeks one of

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the one of the big ones,
I guess are bigger. I was out

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of town for the weekend. I'll
tell you about that in a minute.

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But Melissa was a little concerned because
I don't want her to have to evacuate

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the house alone. No, that
would be very problematic. And plus Sochi

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was on the down two this week. My dog Sochi, she had surgery

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this week, just like minor surgery, had some benign weird things removed from

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her eyelid and off of her elbow
and stuff. But that's to be expected,

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I think because she is deep down
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sharpay. Yeah, because remember one
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when when we found Sochy in the
woods, and sharpay is in her.

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And of course, when you breed
animals to be weird in some sort of

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physical way, like a sharpay is
kind of weird in their skin, you

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know, or just like a pug
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that's where they tend to have problems. But you know, she's doing fine.

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She's doing fine. But anyway,
I didn't want with the complications of

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Sochi recovering from her surgery and me
being out of town, I didn't want

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Melissa have to try to evacuate the
house alone unfortunately, you know, but

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she didn't. She didn't yet because
Clackamus County fire folks. Man. God,

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I love the fire department here in
Clackamus County. I mean just every

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one of them, and of course
Sandy has her great has their their their

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Their fire department is fantastic and they
took care of it in short order.

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They're all professional, they're sharp,
and Clackamus County has one of the local

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stations I free at, which one
I think is fourteen or something like that

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uses a sasquatch wearing a fire fireman's
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know, with like the weird thing
over the back of the neck and everything

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as their logo. I've seen that
stick it in the shop. Well yeah,

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actually, the fire department people came
in and gave us a poster that

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they had made for their like local
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It was really cool, and they
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on it. Yeah, it's really
cool. It's really cool. I will

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put that out. I'll send that
to Matt Prude if he wants it,

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he can post it on our Patreon
or members and stuff. So maybe they

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can check it out because Melissa and
I took a picture put it on social

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media recently in front of one of
their fire trucks because they have the sasquatch

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logo on their fire trucks. I
can't say enough nice things about the first

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responders around in local area here.
That's really cool, is I think?

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I think a lot of money of
it so on those is like, sure,

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it's no fundraisers, and of course
I'd be happy to help them,

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and they know that too. Because
there's a coffee place in the parking lot

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where the museum is, and I
was Melissa and I think I think it

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was Melissa. Yeah, I know
it, sir. We went across the

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way to get a coffee and the
fire department people were in there, and

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I knew they were there obviously their
fire you know, uniforms, and I

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didn't know which which one they were
in, so I asked them, did

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you know that there's a Sasquatch and
so yeah, that's our station, and

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we started talking to them, and
they've been in the museum a number of

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times. And the more first responders
around the museum the better, as far

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as I can tell. Well,
that's a great place to evacuate too,

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because I mean there's no trees around
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I mean, you're you're pretty safe
there. I mean, that's something

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horrific, like just unreal happened.
I mean, it'd be pretty safe,

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i'd imagine. Yeah, well,
we had to evacuate the museum a couple

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of years ago. Do you remember
that. Yeah, that's just proprotionary.

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Yeah, but it was kind of
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next to Highway twenty six. Yeah, you know, we do evacuations Level

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one, two, three, Three
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Two means get ready to go,
and number one means start thinking about it

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pretty heavily. Here it was,
it was zone three at the high at

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the highway and on Highway twenty six
between Highway twenty six and just then and

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Chester's Pub right on the other side
of the museum there. It was zoned

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two and between Chester's Pub and Compton
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know, the turn off of to
get into the parking lot. It was

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level one, so in like three
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you know. And I remember thinking
back then and saying, well, you

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know what, some of the stuff
is irreplaceable. There are artifacts here that

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cannot be replaced. Ever, we
need to get those out of here,

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and so we did so, we
did so we brought them over to Key's

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house. But that was kind of
sketchy. But you're right, there's not

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a lot to burn there except for
a giant field of brambles right behind the

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shop or gas station, yeah right, or a gas station. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, that's a good
point. Well, what squash's going on?

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Oh well, you know, while
I'll start with this, may have

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had them moved through last night here
really maybe maybe it's been a while since

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I've heard anything. Melissa heard something
maybe like two months ago. I forget

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what it was. I think was
a big knock or something behind the house.

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But last night last night, I
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was it was after dark, It
was after dark, and I was just

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like walking around, you know,
just walking around the local property on the

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grass. I think it was a
dusk. I think it was just finishing

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watering and Fromember right, but it
was a dusk, and out by the

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fire pit there I heard something like
if you're facing the hill behind the house,

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you know, I heard something off
to the left that seemed pretty big,

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and I thought dear at the time, and so I started walking to

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the west behind the house, and
whatever suddenly it was above me and kind

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of pacing me, and I thought
that was weird. I thinking, oh,

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what the heck is this is a
cat or something, And so I

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went up on the porch and headed
into the house, you know, because

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I don't want to dance with the
mountain lion, you know, close and

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personal. You know, I just
kind of forgot about it. And then

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a few hours later, this is
probably around midnight or something like that,

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Melissa had already gone to bed.
And I love this. I mean,

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I just got done saying this is
my least favorite time of year, but

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I love this time of year.
You know, I can have both.

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That just means I like the other
times of the year perhaps more except for

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the dead Dead winner February and it's
kind of a bum out. But this

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time. You're scary because of the
wildfires. But I love being outside at

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night, Like I'm wearing shorts and
a t shirt outside my house at nine.

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I love that. I just love
the woods at night, you know.

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And so I went out on the
front porch and I was standing there

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and I was just kind of standing
there, just enjoying the air and the

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temperature and stuff. And between me
and the outbuilding down to the right behind

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where all the trees are, you
know that area there, there was a

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very loud there was a noise.
It was a crack. I'm not sure

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if it was a stick breaking or
maybe like a clap sort of thing.

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It was a very sharp noise like
that. And I went like oh,

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And I kind of listened for a
minute and stood still, and I said,

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I don't I kind of started asking
myself, it's that's just like a

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deer breaking a branch, like stepping
on something. It didn't quite sound like

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a branch, And you know,
the dialogue in my head started going going

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in circles. And then I heard
something walking on the gravel across the road

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towards the out building. When I
couldn't see it all the trees and stuff

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really like that gravel pile, that
big pile. Yeah, kind of walking

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towards that, away from the garden
areya below the house. And then I

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said, oh my gosh. So
I went inside pretty quick to get my

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thermal imager, which is you know, just right down the stairs in the

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garage there. And then I,
you know, I sat outside with a

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thumb and went down and I took
a flashlight and went down and looked for

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footprints in the gravel. But I
was kind of sketchy, you know,

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most it was asleep and everything,
and then I only had one way back

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inside the house if if it wasn't
a sasquatch. You know, I don't

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know what it was. I have
no idea for what it was. But

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it wasn't galloping off. I'll tell
you that it was definitely walking away.

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I mean, so you heard the
crack, You heard the crack whatever,

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cracking pops, whatever that sound was, and then then you went got there,

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then you went and got thern when
you came out, then you heard

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it walking away. No, I
heard the crack, then I heard it

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walking away, because I was I
stood there for a minute or two and

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then when occurred to me like maybe
that was a clap. I started talking

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to it, seeing, you know, just talking to it for whatever reason

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and let let it know that I'm
you know, hey, buddy, I

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heard you down there like that kind
of thing, you know. And then

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then I went and got the therm, and then I went down and looked

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for prince and in the grave.
I looked this morning as well, and

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I didn't see anything because you know, people are driving the road all the

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time, and Melissa and I go
for walks every single day. Was so

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chee down the road and stuff,
so I didn't see anything unusual down there.

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But so I so I stayed up
for a couple more hours just listening,

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like sitting on the back porch,
and not too long afterwards, maybe

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about twenty thirty minutes afterwards, I
think I was out front when I heard

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this, you know, up on
the hill, like way up on the

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hill, up the road, on
the hill where that spring is. I

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heard like basically, you know,
like things a tree coming down or something

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breaking, a bunch of stuff,
or I don't know, you know,

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forest noise, like something big up
there causing or ruckus. And I'm saying,

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okay, well, that's certainly not
the same thing I heard down here,

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But I kind of have this idea
that the Sasquatches kind of moved through

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an area together, and it's very
reasonable for them, in my opinion,

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to be spaced apart, like five
hundred yards. You know, I think

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that that's their grouping. I think
they keep really really loose groupings where that's

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why most people see just one individual. But I don't think there's just one

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individual there. Maybe they're not within
twenty yards of another, maybe within three

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hundred yards of each other or five
hundred yards of each other, but I

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think there's another one around. So
so it's just got me thinking, you

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know, it's you know one to
five or five is absolutely that's a sasquatch,

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and one is absolutely that it's not
a sasquatch. This is a three,

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you know, in my opinion.
But it's interesting. It's interesting,

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and you know, the apples are
thick with apples on the trees right now,

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and the berries are everywhere. And
to take pictures of the apple trees

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just to see like what's disappearing overnight
and stuff like that everywhere. Now I

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haven't done that, but I did. I did kind of concentrate all the

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apples that have fallen off the tree
in one area on the ground because I

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haven't picked up the apples in a
couple of days, but it seemed to

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be about the same number. I
didn't notice that anywhere missing, and if

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they're taking any it's it's just a
handful of them. I haven't checked the

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peach tree yet. I need to
go out and do that because they're more

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than ripe pinging on the tree.
This is the first year my peach trees

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had fruit, so I didn't know
I supposed to pull them off before they

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got soft, but at least now
I know for next year. So I

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don't know if that happened last night. That was kind of cool. Yeah,

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that's that's where you lived there before. I get the excitement a little

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adrenaline. Yeah, yeah, that
was That was pretty neat. So I'll

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probably go for a walk on the
upper property today because I'm gonna except for

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you know, doing the podcast here
today, I'm gonna try to take today

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off. It's been a while since
IFF had a day off because I was

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out of town all weekend, which
is another big should be old here.

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Yeah, I drove up Keith came
with me. Keith the contractor from the

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NABC. He's a guy that basically
built the infrastructure the museum for me to

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hang the content on. Keith and
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the weekend to help Doug high checked
with a little bit of filming for Legimide

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Science, kind of doing some really
cool in depth work on the Freeman's site.

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You know, I don't want to
spill the beans too much because I

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know what I did, but a
man, the results are going to be

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really something to see. We've applied
some really cutting edge technology to the Freeman's

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site, and I think I believe, and this is all preliminary, I

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don't know, man, I believe
that what we've done there will help us

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give pretty close to exact dimensions of
the figure and also shed a lot of

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light on where it was walking and
maybe perhaps what it was doing, because

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it's such an interesting piece of footage. I mean, there's so much less

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information in it than the Patterson Gimlin
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not as clear as it is because
he was using that what is a super

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eight or high eight or whatever it
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it's magnetic tape is nothing compared to
the digital technology of the day. Yeah,

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so I don't know. It's digital
like magnetic. Digital tape for video

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isn't really good. It's not nearly
as good as film, which came before

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it, and not nearly as good
as digital, which came after it.

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So there's not much hope in getting
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But we can learn a lot by
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study of the site itself. And
I certainly learned a couple of things.

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And I'm mind you. This is
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I did a great one last summer. Oh we got those videos. Yeah,

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we got those videos. And I
think I think we put those out

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to the patrons, right or didn't
we? That's sure. I saw though.

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They were great. Those were awesome. Those are like the best things

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I saw Sasquatch all year. Yeah, they're really good stuff. And then

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this is my third trip this year
to the Blues. I went out.

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I went out once specifically to go
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by another time after the Spokane conference, and now this is my third time

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out there just to kind of shore
up some measurements. And there were some

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things that we didn't get when we
were out there last year that I wanted

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to get this time, like,
you know, like here's here's something I

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learned, and I knew this,
but being at the site I kind of

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helped me, kind of helped me
put things together. One of the things

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that bothered me about the film for
a long time because I wasn't sure if

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it was real or not. I
was leaning towards it being real, and

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I still am. I'm strongly leaning
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on the footprints. You know,
the footprints seemed to be of a known

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individual that we have other footprint casts
from. We think it's the same individual

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the Doctor Meldrum cast in nineteen ninety
six and the same one that left the

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trackway on seven Mile Road by seven
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I mean, I've always I've always
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on the footprints, because there's not
a lot of information in the film.

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How far part are those foot prints, what's what's the disition that those footprints

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were found apart not too far,
not too far because five points where Jeff

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got the tracks in ninety six is
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basically almost right below where De Duck
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is just a spur road off of
Mill Creek Road, probably about two or

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three miles from Jeff's location. And
it's interesting, it's I think important and

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certainly interesting to note that the both
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and and the Meldrum find or Freeman
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we're both wintertime track ways. And
of course the d Duck stuff was

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summer, but it's a much higher
elevation. It's like five thousand or more

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feet at the Duck Springs imber right, you know, So the animals seemed

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to be coming up and down based
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think that's important or at least interesting. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

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with Cliff and Bobo. Will be
right back after these messages. But one

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of the things I learned this past
weekend by going to the site and studying

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it some more is one of the
things that always bothered me about the way

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about the footage is the way it
moves, you know, when it's behind

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like it moves from right to left. It goes behind a big stump or

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a snag I guess we can call
it, which is not there. It's

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been cut down, probably for firewood
or something like that. The stump is

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still there. The stump is about
a foot and a half two feet tall.

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I have the measurements written down somewhere, but at the time it was

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more like seven feet tall. So
it moves behind that. Then it moves

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behind a gray tree in the middle
there the gray trees a few feet away

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from that stump, and then closer
to Paul when he was filming. And

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then it moves in front of from
our perspective, a small fir tree,

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and that fir tree is still there
as well. That's that's where he kind

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of does the head snap, right
in there between the gray tree and the

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fir tree. The head snap looks
over pretty pretty quickly to look at Paul

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and then looks back. And the
Doug pointed out to me when I was

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talking to him that that would be
very difficult to do with like a commercial

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suit of some sort, because the
if the head snap was quick enough,

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the mask itself would stay in one
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I thought that was interesting. Not
super conclusive in anyway, but interesting.

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And then the thing steps forward and
hides behind a smaller fur or of some

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sort. And the trip last time
and these trips this time, I failed

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to notice that, Yeah, those
trees are still there. They're just eighteen

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feet tall or something. Now twenty
feet tall. Those trees are still there,

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so we know exactly where the thing
walked within a foot or two,

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which is really neat. I love
that. Then Paul runs up and he's

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looking at totally in the wrong direction
for the thing, not knowing where it

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was. But here's another interesting thing
we picked them. Oh, I didn't

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talk about the way it moves.
I'm so sorry. I'm just kind of

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blabbing, kind of scattered right now. But as it steps out from behind

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like the stump and the great tree, it does like this lunging step,

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and that always kind of bothered me
in a way because it's not like the

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Patterson Gimblin film, where you know, it's a smooth gate walking away and

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stuff. That good to me.
Well, you know, the thing I

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didn't take into account is the change
in elevation between those two spots. Today,

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there's a rotten log there, but
it took measurements from underneath the ground

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surrounding the log. And we're also
where the things stepped two because we know

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pretty close to where that is,
and there's a six inch or more difference

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in height between those two places.
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sort of lunging step in a lot
of ways that I never really occurred to

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me to take that into consideration.
So I thought that was interesting. That

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explains that one thing that it really
didn't like about it. And then also

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the walk away scene where a Doug
believed there's a purported baby lift, and

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I think that might actually be true, but you know, we don't know

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for sure, but I think it's
very a very interesting possibility, and it

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certainly looks like one. I'll give
him that. It certainly looks like one.

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So I think it's a very real
possibility. But we got a better,

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I guess, a better bead on
where the animal was walking at the

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time, because from where Paul was
filming. When you're looking at that segment

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of video, there's a tree on
the left and a tree on the right

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in the foreground not that far from
Paul, probably ten twenty feet from all

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at the most. Now we know
exactly how far that was by the way

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too, but the animals in the
distance walking away, well, it turns

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out that that tree on the right
was blocking another very prominent tree behind it,

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So we can use those two trees
like rifle sights and then stand basically

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exactly or within a foot or so
of where Paul was standing, and then

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a lot of the same features are
still in the landscape, so we can

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see where the animal was walking,
and where the animal was walking straight away

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from the camera was very close to
the trail, it turns out, because

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the trail or the road at the
time is the two track. At the

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time that kind of petered down the
woods. But now there's no two anything.

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It's just one little animal trail sort
of thing now. But it goes

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by where Paul was standing, goes
around a group of trees, and curves

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back to the left. So the
animal was walking almost next to the trail,

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not on the trail, because Paul
found a small number of footprints over

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there, and that ground would take
any sort of footprints, as we saw

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earlier in the same piece of footage, But it was walking just along to

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the left of that trail, and
I thought that was pretty interesting. It

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was walking in the woods because a
few months ago I found in cast foot

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prints outside of Port Angeles, and
the animal was walking through the brush,

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not in the place where it was
actually easier to walk in the creek bed

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area. It was actually walking through
the brush, and it was doing this

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kind of the same behavior here.
And then also at that point, we

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decided it had three options to get
away from Paul. It could either go

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to the right, where there's a
large hill about two hundred yards away and

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brush and it would just totally disappear. It can go straight ahead, or

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it can go to the left and
drop down in the small ravine that the

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spring flows through before it empties into
the pond, the duck pond or walden

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pond as is sometimes called. We
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we know it didn't go right because
Paul moves to the right and we never

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see the animal come out, and
the position Paul was in also suggests that

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it didn't move forward all the way. We can't be sure of that at

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this moment, but I think that
our data might give us that. So

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right now, the working hypothesis is
at the animal after it picked up the

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baby, if that's in fact what
it did, dropped down to the left

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and into the small ravine and hid
there while Freeman went further up the road

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looking for the animal with the camera
in vain and never finding it. Sounds

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about right. We're learning a lot
about the footage at this moment, and

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even more stuff is going to be
coming down the pipe. Man. Doctor

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Meldrum was out there with us.
He putting in his two cents, which

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of course is worth four or more. I get it a whole nickel.

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Yeah, well, my two cents
is usually just worth about one, you

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know, inflation and all. But
doctor Meldrum's words, you know, his

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inputs excellent, of course, and
there's a pleasure to be out in the

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woods with him. Isaac Tan showed
up as well, Doctor Isaac Dean,

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I should say, he just got
his doctor. It's a congratulations, Isaac.

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I spent a couple of nights with
him afterwards, kind of talking about

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various ideas and stuff. And he's
going to come down and I'll take him

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to a couple of our big foot
spots and see what he has to say.

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And yeah, he's really interested in
getting down the woods down in my

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area, even though he lives up
in Seattle, but you know, he

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can come down for a night or
something. I know he's made a big

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contribution. What did he do?
Did something like with computer stuff or what

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that guy? Yeah, yeah,
he's a gosh. His PhD is in

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something very long, but it's something
the effect of like like visual computer or

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something or other. Basically, moving
pictures is what digital blah blah blah.

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I don't even know what his PhD
is in. He said it, but

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it's very very long. He basically
is a computer engineer that specializes in three

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D graphics and and cleaning up and
you know, making images and all this

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other stuff like I guess, I
don't know. I mean, the more

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I talk to realize I'm just talking. I'm not sure exactly what it is.

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But it's some sort of computer image
thing. And what he did so

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far. What put him on my
radar is he worked with that TV show

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that I'm on sometimes called Proof is
out there on History Channel, and they

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wanted to do a Bigfoot special,
and so they did. I think it

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was episode thirteen a season two,
but don't quote me on that. You

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can find it online. It was
this about a year ago in October,

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they aired this thing and what they
did is, you remember the idea when

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when that that that find that fourth
copy of the PG film surface when we're

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filming the Willow Creek Finding Bigfoot episode
in twenty seventeen, I think it was,

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and Bill Munn says, you know
that now that we have four copies,

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we can overlay them with one another
and pull out the distortions, pull

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out the blemishes, so the only
thing left there will be what was in

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the original. So basically, Isaac, being the genius set he is,

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wrote a computer script to do that
automatically. So instead of doing like a

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physical layover like Bill was suggesting,
where you take each one and you superimpose

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him and stuff, he basically wrote
a computer script, a program that would

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do that automatically for every one of
the piece of the frames. And I

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believe he also said that he also
used AI to simulate the space in between

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the frames so it's smoother, you
know, because I think he was sixteen

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or eighteen frames a second. I
think he was sixteen because that's what the

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camera has, but as a spring
wound camera, so the eighteen isn't outside

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the realm of a error for a
analog camera in such a way. But

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yeah, so he basically did that, and they aired this cleaned up version

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on the Proof Is Out There.
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and Bill Muns was there on a
panel discussion. Okay, yeah,

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that's how I know who he is. I knew I was impression the guy,

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but I couldn't remember why. Oh
he's rat he's super cool. We'll

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get him on the podcast. He's
a good guy. I'm sure he'll come

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on. We're gonna you know.
But I watched it and I said,

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oh man, this is the best
thing I've seen on the PG film by

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far, as far as the analysis
of it and like what the details it

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brought out and all that sort of
stuff, and see stabilized it of course,

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and it's just fantastic. I even
congratulated the producers of Proof Is Out

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Proof Is Out There when I spoke
to them. But I've done two film

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shoots at them this year. I've
got a few more common I guess from

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what I understand. But I even
congratulated them, like I'm happy to work

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with them because of that excellent work
they did on the PG film. But

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then I talked to Isaac, and
Isaac says, yeah, you know,

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they could have made it a lot
longer. I just wanted to do the

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full two hours on it, and
they didn't think there was enough content,

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so they put in like clips,
you know, like the regular show is.

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You know, they show some clip
and they have some nerd like me

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talking about it. But they said, yeah, we only did a little

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bit on the PG film and then
the rest was that. But I think

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we had enough for a full two
hours because there's so much the share that

409
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:38.200
I didn't even get an opportunity to
bring out. I'm thinking, holy smokes,

410
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.400
what does this guy have? So
we'll get them on the show here.

411
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.440
But you know, it's a visual
thing, so you know, radio

412
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.640
podcast isn't the best way for him
to show what he's done. But I

413
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.279
did talk to Isaac, but I
think this winner. You know, when

414
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:55.680
summer calms down a bit, we'll
have him down at the museum and do

415
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.440
a special event with them. Great
those things where we sell you know thirty

416
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:02.519
or forty tike gets and we go
to the pizza place with the big TV

417
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:06.200
and yeah, and so that way
Isaac can show us really in depth not

418
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.359
only is process, but also most
importantly the finished product, because it is

419
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.559
by far, by far, hands
down, unquestionably the best version of the

420
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.319
PG film that is out there.
Yeah. I thought that show is kind

421
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.519
of cheesy, and then I watched
that episode so I knew you were on

422
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:23.519
it and Jeff was on and stuff, and I was like, well,

423
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.400
this is I this is that same
shows as great. Yeah, you know,

424
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.799
it's a pretty it's a pretty fun
show. I mean, the producers

425
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.400
have a good attitude about it.
They had me comment on some things that

426
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.200
I think are kind of ridiculous,
you know, like let's you know those

427
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:41.279
starling birds that you see flyinger and
like when you're driving in California down the

428
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.640
five or whatever, then that the
giant flock of these things, like this

429
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.640
cloud of birds in the sky.
Some photographer got a picture of the cloud

430
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.799
resembling a bird, you know,
and the producers, being TV producers,

431
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.799
are like, do you think this
is some sort of like sentience or uber

432
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.160
mind that's controlling the birds? And
I go, now, man, it's

433
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.079
just a paradoia. And you think
I got lucky with a good shot.

434
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.359
But they let me say that they
they're not trying to push their agenda.

435
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.519
They typical TV stuff, you know, they they pushed the ridiculous and they

436
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.599
come to a conclusion. They try
to get me to say I did two

437
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.440
of those shows. Oh not bad
show, but two shows like it,

438
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.440
right, yeah, yeah, Like
I think I think I did one episode

439
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.319
of that. I don't think they
ever used mine. They said it wasn't

440
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.480
too us sup or so, because
I think they can't try to get me

441
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.839
to say stuff like they wanted to
be like the dumb Baldwin brother or whatever,

442
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.000
kind of like the Leaf Garrett,
you know, kind of gotten those

443
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.920
talking head shows like they wanted me
to say. They wanted me to say

444
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.519
like the dumb stuff. And I'm
like, are like, because they are

445
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:37.759
showing me stuffing, I knew the
answer too, And I'm like, I've

446
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.880
toy researched this that way you're talking
about right there, that's that's this.

447
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.519
They're saying, Well, just say
just pretend you think it's this, and

448
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.559
I'm like, no, no,
I'm out of here. Well, I

449
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.400
mean I finished the day after,
like yeah, two of them, two

450
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.240
of the places. Two the shows
didn't even pay me. I don't think

451
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.480
that's these guys. It sounds like
a different show because these guys they're always

452
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.319
very respectful. Because I told him
I'm not gonna lie for you. As

453
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.160
long as he'd let me tell you
my truth, I'm happy to do the

454
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.559
show, and they said, oh, yeah, that's what we want.

455
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.559
Well anyway, Yeah, so that's
the big foot stuff I've been up to,

456
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.640
I guess for the most part.
This this coming weekend, I'll be

457
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:15.200
in Idaho doing that Freeman thing,
Michael Freeman, doctor Meldrum and me doing

458
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.240
a panel thing. By the time
the Sarah's of course this will be done,

459
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:23.039
but Meldrum and I are going to
be there with Michael Freeman and Brian

460
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:29.039
king Sharp from that Sasquatch Odyssey podcast. Doug hi Check is going to be

461
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.839
i think virtually joining us talking about
the Freeman footage to some degree. Then

462
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.920
I've got a couple of weeks off
finally, so I'm looking forward to that

463
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.880
too. I keep thinking I barely
camp this summer, but it's not true.

464
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.240
I mean, I just got back
from the Blue Mountains, have been

465
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.920
there three times and did Ape Canyon
stuff, but I haven't been up to

466
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.200
the Blueberry Bog, not once this
year. Wow. Yeah, they've just

467
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.880
been too busy man, just been
too busy. It's been crazy. But

468
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.319
hopefully Melissa and I can get out
for at least one or two nights before

469
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:57.559
the end of the summer, because
I do. I love camping with Melissa,

470
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.119
Melissa and Sochi likely camping trip,
you know. Yeah, we're gonna

471
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:03.319
do one hare coming up. Just
waiting to see what these fires do,

472
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.920
to make see where we're gonna go, because I hate camping in smoke.

473
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.720
M right, right, you guys
camp on the coast somewhere that offshore that

474
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.200
the breeze coming off the off the
ocean will push everything in. Yeah,

475
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.759
yeah, yeah, well I'm sure
I'll do that. It's getting harder and

476
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.440
harder to find any word to can't
though. It's just getting so crowded,

477
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.000
like ever since the pandemic, like
places that are you wedn't see when there's

478
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.880
people there. Now, well you
know your your trailer. It has become

479
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.119
a celebrity into its own, right, Oh yeah, no, yeah,

480
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.240
yeah, I did. I did
that, Ohio gig a couple of weeks

481
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.160
ago. Oh my god, I
haven't told you about that either. Or

482
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.200
no, I did tell you about
that a little bit. But we got

483
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.799
the official numbers over forty thousand people
came. Dude, what I went there?

484
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:51.200
There was like three hundred. Well
yeah, over forty thousand people came

485
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.920
to this job. Of course it's
an outdoor festival and on that jazz,

486
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.680
so they can accommodate it. But
it was just ridiculous. Man. But

487
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.720
a lot of people, several people, not not ones and twos, but

488
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.599
more like five or eight asked about
your trailer when they came up to say

489
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.359
hi to me and take pictures or
whatever they're doing. So Boos trailers still

490
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.160
in your garage? Yeah, I
think about that thing every day. Do

491
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:17.759
you even? I don't think about
that every day. I miss it.

492
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.559
I'm telling you man, Bobo's Airbnb
parked at at some campsite. It'll be

493
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.480
occupied most nights. I've been maybe
Bobo's prime residents here coming up, we'll

494
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:33.960
see in my outbuilding. No,
I'll move it, okay, because I

495
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.519
remember I got a wife to keep
happy. I'll put it in your driveway.

496
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.200
I have an introview for Melissa is
even even a far greater introvert than

497
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.079
I am. You know, I
was gonna say, will it be inverted

498
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.720
parks within your driveway? Cliffs got
a steep driveway. I'd have a really

499
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.359
steep driveway. Yeah. We just
push the trailer down the hill. You

500
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.920
can sleep in the river. Yeah. Yeah, people are asking about it,

501
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:00.880
so gosh, if you ever want
to sell that thing, I think

502
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.680
that one of our listeners would probably
want to buy it. Thinks killer.

503
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.559
I love that thing. Yeah,
it's pretty cool. That's a pretty cool

504
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.279
little trailer. It's perfect. Really
if I needed to get that out,

505
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:11.799
I mean, my jeep can drag
a short distances, but I don't think

506
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.000
I would drive on the road with
that. What do you think, Oh,

507
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.519
you totally could, no problem.
You can tell that thing about four

508
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.799
cylinder. Yeah, that's that's what
it's That's what it's designed for, is

509
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.720
like for Oh yeah, I've seen
I've seen that same kind of trail,

510
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.960
even the one it's two feet bigger
than the same kind of model two three

511
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.200
Feetiggsian that's getting towed by like cheap
liberties and stuff like four cylinders. Yeah,

512
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.039
but you live in Humboldt. Do
you also see like cars with palette

513
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.039
stacked eight feet taller than the roof
and things like that, like crazy things

514
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:45.519
humbolt You know, stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

515
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:55.440
We'll be right back after these messages. But so this week, but

516
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.240
this episode is going to be we're
dealing with things in the news, right,

517
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.480
Yeah, pretty much. We're just
shooting the poop and catching up with

518
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.519
some things. It's been a while
because you've been out of town. And

519
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.640
how about how is Hawaii? By
the way, it was cool until those

520
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.960
fires hit. But you weren't.
You weren't on Maui, right, No,

521
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.160
I was with guys. I.
Yeah, my buddy has a business

522
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:19.039
over there and they sponsored this Emancona
Bruce sponsored this big music festival every year

523
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.359
called the eight to eight Festival.
And he lives in California, has a

524
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:27.200
business in Hawaii, so he had
free to He has so much airfare and

525
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:32.359
he he uses his business card and
his through the United Miles like he gets

526
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.119
he had all these bonuses. It's
like, dude, I hate traveling.

527
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.039
I never fly anywhere if I'm not
going for work. So he just gave

528
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.319
us tickets and then he also had
hotel hotel room, so we got hotel

529
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.559
rooms too. Sweat to do is
get a car. Just run a car

530
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.039
like one of those turro you know, forty five dollars a day cars and

531
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.000
we were set. But who you
can't rent a car? And hole you've

532
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.720
been banned for renting cars in Hawaii
though, No, that was the one

533
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.599
place I can rent. They have
a couple of they have a couple of

534
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:02.519
spots in the different islands and they
u they know me so that they rent

535
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.319
to me. Yeah. I can't. I can't rent from like hurts or

536
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.839
you know the other things like that, not like international or national, but

537
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:13.319
this family owned business one I can. Well that's good. It's gonna have

538
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:21.119
an escape route from your your corporate
predicament. Yeah, you want to tell

539
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.759
us, Uh, you want to
tell us why you can't or there's are

540
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:30.880
legal implications there. It was,
well, yeah it was. It was

541
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.400
that judgment on their part to give
me the car. It's their faults.

542
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.720
They're the ones who gave it to
me. It's their fault. Yeah,

543
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:50.160
we get around. It's story.
He's going to see some things that will

544
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:55.160
blow me own classes and am s. He's lying and he's gone a kid,

545
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:05.279
yow me hi for your one again. It's Bubo story. Any description

546
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.719
of felonious or criminal activity. It
is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes

547
00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:10.360
and is in no way in mission
of guilt or even true for that matter.

548
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.280
I was over in quiet this is
got like two thousand and nine,

549
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.719
I think, and my buddy good
Bro there, Ronnie Boy, passed away,

550
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.840
and so I had to go over
there for the funeral. And so

551
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.599
I got there and the guy that
rental plays Hurst recognized me, and they

552
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.760
brought over a special car for when
they were filming the Tropic Thunder over there.

553
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.559
Yea, so it was an really
filmed tropic thunder. They got done.

554
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.320
Some of those Hollywood guys like actors
and stuff like, I had them

555
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.800
bringing like pretty sweet cars. I
got this Shelby Cobra Mustang. It was

556
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.159
like all decked out like it wasn't
it was expensive. It was like several

557
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.760
hundred dollars a day. And then
when I got was like fifty four dollars

558
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.800
a day. I had a regular
convertible Mustang. And the guys all,

559
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.079
hey, Bubbo, what's up man. I didn't really know the guy,

560
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.800
but I kind of recognized him,
like, hey, what's up. He's

561
00:34:59.840 --> 00:35:01.639
like I was just bs who said
I'm here for Ronnie Boys, Like oh

562
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.480
yeah, yeah yeah. Because my
friends were like they're kind of like top

563
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.400
dog at the top of the food
chain, like in the search. You

564
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.599
know, they're you know, like
they're kind of the guys that run the

565
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.880
island. So like they like they
always want they want to get in good

566
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.679
with those guys, like they figure
like cool with bows and you know,

567
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.719
it gives me pointed to those guys
whatever. So he's all, oh,

568
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.320
you want to Ronnie Boys. He
said, yeah, you know what,

569
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.239
I'm staying at Ten's house. And
he's like, oh man, he goes,

570
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.400
hey, you know what, if
I give you this deal on this

571
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.920
Shelby, you gotta be real careful
with it. You can't take it off

572
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.679
road or anything. And I was
like, all right, no worries,

573
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.800
no worries. And then sure enough
I got there was you know, like

574
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.880
the thing was fat, had a
booming stereo. It was all decked out

575
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.599
as fast as hell, you know, you know at Shelby's our course.

576
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.280
No, I have no idea what
Shelby's are now. Carol Shelby was a

577
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.840
car builder and he made like the
famous He made a couple of Shelby vehicles

578
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.400
like he took like stock cars and
then just made him high performance like race

579
00:35:54.480 --> 00:36:00.760
cars basically put race cars inside a
stock car, looking chat seeing frames and

580
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.239
stuff. So yeah, yeah,
I just looked it up on on you

581
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.800
know, the image search or whatever, and it looks almost like an what

582
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.079
are those cars the mgs or something
like kind of like that style thing,

583
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.840
but like an English racing car of
some sort of what it kind of looks

584
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.159
like. But there I see some
Mustangs too. Is that what you had?

585
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.719
Mustang? Yeah, Mustang? Okay, so it's kind of like a

586
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.639
racing car engine in a really cool
shell basically, right, a little like

587
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:27.039
with some modifications. So but those
guys like, you know, a little

588
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.679
over there, like so most of
well, my friends live over the island,

589
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.880
but I'll staying up on North Shore. So those guys like they have

590
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.320
like their time to runs, like
their fastest drive ever from like the Hue

591
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:42.119
up to Princeville or you know,
Hanale whatever, and like like whatever the

592
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.519
time I was like saying, just
for instance, like oh this this guy's

593
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.440
record is twenty seven minutes forty seconds. This guy's record it's like twenty five

594
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:51.559
minutes nine seconds, you know.
Like So anyways, after the first night

595
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.320
it ended up like three in the
morning, guys, because the roads they

596
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:59.159
do when the roads are empty.
So we decided it was a good time

597
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.880
to do, uh, try to
their fastest speed run ever, you know,

598
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.320
like they were using my car,
the shelvy. So we were ripping

599
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.599
around. And then the next night, so I started getting kind of loosing

600
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.199
it. Then the next night Tins
cousins needed to ride to work there like

601
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:19.400
the Huli show at the at the
Princeville Resort. Okay, so I had

602
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.400
the top down and it tends out
these guys a ride like all right,

603
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.360
it's like three views that are all
bigger than him, Like all our four

604
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.960
hundred pounds get in the back seat
and they couldn't fit in the back,

605
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.559
so they sat on where the top
goes in the back, you know,

606
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.199
the where it all folds down behind. Yeah, they were sitting on top

607
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.280
where it folds down. Like just
totally broke it. Just broke it right

608
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:45.320
then and there. And then so
we drove driving on this dirt road like

609
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.039
they had to go to this back
entrance and it was like had tree roots

610
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.639
and stuff and it was dragon starts
started turning up the bottom of the car

611
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:54.679
a little bit and digging it up
and got some dance on the bottom of

612
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:59.960
it, like where the body like
is barely you know, off the ground.

613
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.639
There's a big rich sticking up poking
into it and rocks lava rocks and

614
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.719
stuff. And I wasn't allowed to
go out for a road. I was

615
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.039
like, oh man. Then we
went up to the Loom the next Then

616
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.119
yeah, we trought those guys out. They went to looma high and guys

617
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.280
were doing donuts in the parking lot. This you know dirt parking lot's got

618
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:17.119
like mud holes and stuff. And
I was like, oh I could I'll

619
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.840
check this out. So I spun
a few donuts and just cooke that cake

620
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:27.599
that red dirt clay mud you know
from Kawai Kawai red clay dirt. It's

621
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.239
fans four. So that got all
over the car and then it just kind

622
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.440
of went downhill from there. Oh
that's when it started going downhill. Yeah,

623
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.239
the best when I brought it back. I came in and you know,

624
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.519
look the because the suspension got all
messed up because we overloaded a few

625
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:46.519
times. When I was like,
you know, we're like there's like all

626
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:52.000
these parties for Ronnie Boy and stuff, so you know, like, oh,

627
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:53.639
we're gonna move over this way,
so like like eight guys would jump

628
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:55.880
in my car, like you know, its just all the way down,

629
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.440
and it got pretty it got pretty
thrashed, like the line, I got

630
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.119
pretty beat up. And then what
really did it in? Oh that we

631
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.719
locked the keys in the trunk or
I did on accident reb and I has

632
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.480
been down to swam the trunk.
I dropped my glasses. I grabbed my

633
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.920
glasses, and then I as we're
in a colored pocketed shirt and had the

634
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.840
keys sticking in that. And when
I bent down to grab my glasses,

635
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.960
I bent down kind of fast,
and the key slot just as I leaned

636
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.440
back up, I realized as I
was siment down, the keys just fell

637
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.280
out and I locked the keys in
there, and we had to get out

638
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.639
of there. We were over on
the west side on the the barking standser

639
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.639
with the military beach over there.
We had to get off. We had

640
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.360
to get off, and I'm like, oh, we got to get out

641
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.199
of here, and we had to
be back for something that we had to

642
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.639
be back for something important. So
the top was down, so we ended

643
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.960
up just kind of the one dude
just was We're trying to get into thro

644
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.760
the back seat area like trying to
fold down that seat seat that word,

645
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.360
he ended up just tearing the back
seat, like just physically ripped it out,

646
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.199
like the back rest. So then
it was like, shit, it's

647
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.119
already torn up, and as we'll
get it all the way up so we

648
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.960
can get the keys out. So
we got the key. He's actually that.

649
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.480
So then I had a top day
to go off as blah blah blah.

650
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.920
I was covering dirt. There are
some other little things happened to it

651
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.880
here and there, like some dings
and scratches or whatever. And then when

652
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:13.960
I was bringing it back, I
was toilet. I took it to the

653
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:15.239
car washed. I was like,
oh man, I started to realize,

654
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.440
like how dirty it was. I
mean it was filthy. I was like

655
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.320
things that things thrashed. And so
I went to go wash it off and

656
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.239
wasn't coming off right, like it
was all over the place. And I

657
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.079
came and I was waiting for my
flight. I was like, oh damn.

658
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:31.480
So it was like an early morning
flight. I came ripping back in

659
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:36.800
and I pulled in pretty fast,
and you think those those backup spike strips,

660
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.719
like those meddling sis wanted to not
enter. I went the right way.

661
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:43.280
I wasn't going against it, but
the car was so bottomed out that

662
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.280
when I hit it, I was
going kind of fast. It just tore

663
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:51.559
off the oil pan and just trapped. Like the car just basically broke it.

664
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.480
I just broke it, like I
think I cracked the frame was already

665
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.000
the frame was cracked from those guys
ribbing it and stuff when I came in

666
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.599
and just did a huge, big
this huge was and that dude that was

667
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.400
rented to me that I promise I
wouldn't take it off road was sitting there

668
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.119
just eyes huge popping out of his
head. I can running like pulling up.

669
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:15.039
This just beat the hell car and
like it's all this fluids pouring out

670
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.199
of it, like I just torched
them off the bottom, like did something

671
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:22.559
to the back rou differential for sure, Like that hitting ground made some noise

672
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:27.760
and like tires rough was all pulling
sideway like it was due and I just

673
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.039
chipped out, go sorry man,
and just ran off catch my flight.

674
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:37.840
And they gave me some huge bill
like it's like twenty something ground or something.

675
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.719
But I had insurance that you bought
the extra insurance or you just had

676
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.639
it. Yeah, I bought all
the insurance. I bought all the extra

677
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:47.800
insurance to do it. Seems like
that's a good idea no matter what you

678
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:52.039
buy. But everyone turned me down
when I try to claim it. Oh

679
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.440
go figure, Yeah you broke the
car. Well yeah, I think you're

680
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.719
right. It sounds like it's that
guy's fault for running it to you.

681
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.840
That's what that's that's what the company
told him when he got in trouble.

682
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.159
Well, so that's why you're not
allowed to rent any more cars in Hawaii,

683
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.519
anywhere anywhere. It's global, global
anyway, anyway, that's part of

684
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.000
that system, like they all they
all share information like who's banned, who's

685
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.559
not. Well, that's pretty great. That's why I only rent a car

686
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.880
problem though. Really, I mean
every other car has never been a problem.

687
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.199
Well except for one other time in
Hawaii. Yeah, okay, I

688
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.920
take that back. There's a time
we took took a geo metrout through like

689
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:34.320
this, uh BM, like a
motocross track course through the Kane Fields,

690
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.119
Old Kane Fields. God, some
jumps and stuff, and I was roosting

691
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.320
that thing out there and took it
off some jumps and stuff, and that

692
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.360
then got a little beat up.
Those are great cars. So I owned

693
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:45.719
one of those for years. Yeah, it was awesome. I had it

694
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.960
for like three weeks. I wanted
to buy it when I got back.

695
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.119
Yeah. I don't know why they
don't make stuff like that anymore, because

696
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.079
mine was a I forget what year
was, but that was the second car

697
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.440
I ever owned, So I was
just a kid at the time, you

698
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.000
know. But the first car was
a Chevy Sprint, and then the second

699
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.800
one was a Geometro, which is
basically the same thing, but just you

700
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.159
know, fancified a little bit.
But we got forty five miles a gallon

701
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.119
in that in the city. It
was outstand. I love that car.

702
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.639
We would take it to the mountains
and stuff. We wouldn't go off road

703
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.760
and or anything, of course,
but they're pretty good off road. Yeah,

704
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:23.960
but you did you did? You
know? Not it's like a BMX

705
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.239
bike, but different three cylinder BMX
bike with six inches or four inches of

706
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:36.599
clearance or something. Yeah. Well, you're telling this story the only rental

707
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.599
car fiasco, or not even a
fiasco that I've ever really had to deal

708
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.360
with. Besides, you had just
normal sort of things or you know,

709
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.400
the car's not here, Okay,
it was was flying to LA for pickup

710
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.840
shots when we're filming Finding big Foot
for some reason. And I got in

711
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.599
a day early or something. This
is when my parents were still alive,

712
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.400
you know. My dad checked out
in twenty fifteen. My mom I a

713
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.079
couple of years later, and I
think seventeen, so this must have been

714
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.280
like fourteen or something. Twenty fourteen. I went down there. The show

715
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.119
was in full swing, real popular. I went down and it's gonna go

716
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.519
pick up my rental car, and
then I was going to drive from Lax

717
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:13.039
to my parents' house in Long Beach
and spend the evening with them and visit

718
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.199
and stuff before I go up to
the North Hollywood or wherever we were to

719
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.039
stay, you know, for pickup
shots. So I go into the rental

720
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.159
place and I always get the cheapest
rental car. I don't care, you

721
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:22.719
know. I go in there and
it's to the rental place, and then

722
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.199
I goes, Oh, your Cliff
from Finding big footage, Yeah whatever,

723
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:29.079
it's Oh man, that's great,
I'm gonna upgrade you because we can or

724
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.440
whatever. Oh, and he gave
me some. It was a cherry red

725
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:37.840
convertible Corvette. Do you remember that? Do you like gonna it was or

726
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:42.119
maybe it was a Camaro. It
might have been a camaro. Yeah,

727
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.400
I don't think it was. I
think it was a camaro. Yeah.

728
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.800
And then I said, all right, sure, and I just felt so

729
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:51.480
awkward in it, you know,
and I say, well, okay,

730
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.840
well I feel kind of weird.
I feel kind of awkward, and it's

731
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.920
like, this isn't me, this
isn't cliff Man, this isn't I'm not

732
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.480
that guy, you know. But
I took it anyway, and I say,

733
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.159
well, I'm gonna go fast a
little bit because it's the it's Los

734
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.480
Angeles, and you know, if
you're not doing seventy five or eighty,

735
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.880
you're holding traffic up. So I'm
gonna go fast in it. And it

736
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.119
was bumper to bumper, crawling traffic
the entire way to my parents house,

737
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.000
and I never got to open it
up, not once, not once.

738
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.559
And on the way back home when
I left, it's like, you know,

739
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.280
nine or ten o'clock at night to
head back up. I got to

740
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.920
I got to do it a little
bit. But even though it was traffic

741
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.159
then, so I couldn't go like
eighty or ninety or something, I could.

742
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:30.440
I kind of max it out to
like seventy and I'm thinking, man,

743
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.639
I got this car and I can't
even do anything fun with it,

744
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.639
and and and everyone's looking at me, thinking like, what's that dork doing?

745
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.800
Look at that Look at that guy
in that cherry red convertible. That

746
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.760
guy, he's a total fry.
He's out gee traver. He's trying a

747
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.679
convertible red Camaro in La traffic.
He's not an outdoors guy. Guy was

748
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:59.719
on that car. Look fake,
Remember Star. Stay tuned for more big

749
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.719
Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.

750
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:13.840
Did you catch that article about a
new crayfish species? Yeah? Where

751
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.920
was it? Where was it discovered? Like in a pet store? Basically,

752
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:22.920
Like basically these guys in uh in
Eastern Europe somewhere started buying some ornamental

753
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.880
crayfish, you know, like from
like online places, you know, like

754
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.559
this is and they commonly called like
a blue crayfish or something like that.

755
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.480
You know, like you've seen these
things in pet stores. And I like,

756
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.000
I liked aquarium, so I have
an aquarium. I've had an aquarium

757
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.719
since I was probably sixteen. Very
few periods of my life did I have

758
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.480
did I not have it set up
even now I have fish upstairs. I

759
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:50.199
just love fish of all sorts.
Blue steel or steel blue crayfish, I

760
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.000
guess is that one of those Zoolander
things. Yeah, but yeah, steel

761
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:58.079
blue crayfish. Despite these two inch
long crayfish that are kind of ornamental,

762
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.079
they're really pretty. They're kind of
gray with blue extremities and legs and pinchers

763
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.159
and stuff. That's really cool.
They're really neat little animals. And apparently

764
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.199
some of them are actually a new
species that the undocumented species that you can

765
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:17.400
buy and you know, in like
pet mart or something like that. And

766
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.639
I thought this was an interesting article
just for that one reason alone. It's

767
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.079
like they say, yeah, but
people know about these things, but there

768
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:30.239
are new species because of subtleties in
their DNA. And when I say subtleties,

769
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:35.159
not that subtle in a lot of
ways. The article says that these

770
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:44.760
species differ from other freshwater crayfish between
maybe six and fourteen percent. Fourteen percent

771
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.559
is not a subtle difference in DNA, but six percent might be, you

772
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:53.360
know. But yeah, apparently these
are native to Indonesia. And then like

773
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.159
this one like hot vent in Hungary
where somebody probably let these things go,

774
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.360
which is probably a good idea to
let non native species go in your environment.

775
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.079
What's ever gone wrong with that?
Oh, I don't know. I

776
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.679
don't know look around. But I
thought this was kind of a cool article

777
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:14.800
because it shows that new species are
literally under our nose. And I think

778
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.119
that's the case of sasquatches too.
A lot of times he said, these

779
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:22.000
things are literally under our nose and
just nobody bothers looking, or nobody looks

780
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:23.920
at it the right way. And
you know, big sure like property owners

781
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.159
that have sasquatches around and the weird
things happen, but they don't know what

782
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.079
to attribute it to, or weird
noises that happen outside because bigfoots aren't real,

783
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.360
so that wouldn't be on the top
of their list according to them.

784
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.719
But it turns out bigfoots actually are
real. These these other unknown species are

785
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:44.159
right under our nose sometimes and in
some cases, like these crayfish being kept

786
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:46.800
as pets. That's that's the funniest
part, as like they're in pet stores,

787
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.199
that's what. So who is I
haven't read up on that part about

788
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.639
it, like, but the first
like you know, Raine biologists said,

789
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.360
you know, I'm going to look
into this. You like this because he

790
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.760
sees him on his kids tank or
something. You know, you're thinking,

791
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.559
like it's got to be known.
Yeah, and then the collection a lot

792
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:07.000
of a lot of these animals in
the pet trade, you know, the

793
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.920
aquarium pet trade, are collected in
the wild. They're not bread and big

794
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.519
tanks. I mean some of them
are, of course, but a lot

795
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.679
of them, especially the saltwater things, are collected in the wild, oftentimes

796
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:22.400
through kind of immoral situations like drugging
a coral root reef for example. You

797
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.960
know that sort of thing is it
probably isn't cool, you know. So

798
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:31.239
the pet trade offers wild animals for
pets basically, and they're small and they're

799
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.039
fish and their crayfish and things like
that, so people don't feel too bad

800
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:40.239
about it. But I think that's
an interesting opportunity for biologists and to find

801
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.960
the species like this, and that's
what this article is all about. It's

802
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.840
pretty cool. Yeah, He's just
imagine like the guy like getting results like,

803
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:51.440
oh my god, this thing is
new. It's new. Yep.

804
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.559
There's another publishing opportunity because you know, publisher pairs sort of thing. Now,

805
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.800
there was another article that was in
our pile for things to look over.

806
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.679
I like the title, but I
couldn't read the article because I don't

807
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.840
have a subscription to Nature. I
know they want like five bucks an article

808
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.559
too, do they? Or you
get a mouth for thirty bush? I

809
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.239
don't know. I can probably find
this somewhere else, I just haven't done

810
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.199
it. He has his oldest genetic
data from a human relative found in two

811
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:24.039
million year old teeth, and it
says ancient protein sequences identify the sex of

812
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:30.119
paranthropists Robustis fossils and hint at evolutionary
relationships. Now I didn't read the article

813
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.320
because I don't have access to the
article, but even that byline there,

814
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:40.000
even that subtitle, gives us some
interesting interesting things to talk about because it

815
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:45.199
doesn't say DNAs his ancient protein sequences, which is the proteonic study. I

816
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:51.039
think that the same sort of technology
that they apply to Gigantopithecus Blackie to discover

817
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.519
that it was squarely in line between
chief Epithecus and orangutans. So they're doing

818
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.079
something similar as sounds like to even
older teeth of paranthropist bust Us, which

819
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:07.400
is one of the several paranthropists species, and of course Paranthropists is a genus

820
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:12.239
of austrell Epitheesnes, you know,
and they're kind of two forms of austrell

821
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.880
Epithecenes, some more thinner grass style
form, which we think one of those

822
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.719
species eventually lead to us if we'd
go back far enough. And then there's

823
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:24.280
this other branch of austrell Epithecenes that
were so different in so many ways that

824
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:30.840
they gave them their own genus name
paranthropists. And these things were basically sasquatches,

825
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:34.320
but smaller, you know, between
three and a half four feet tall

826
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.239
and maybe five and a half feet
tall. These are basically sasquatches. That's

827
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:44.920
how you can think about them upright, bipedal hair covered, human shape things

828
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:52.440
with huge chewing apparatus basically their their
teeth. Their chewing surface area of the

829
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.360
teeth is like eight times out of
a human. Big big molars, huge

830
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.199
jaw muscles. They had sagital rests
and zygomatic arches for their chewing muscles to

831
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:07.599
anchor on. In my book,
sasquatches are probably these things. I don't

832
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.800
go for the giganto thing. As
we've spoken about many times, this is

833
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.480
possible. It's a possibility, don't
get me wrong. Oh, definitely possibility.

834
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.320
Yeah, definitely a possibility. But
I think that paranthropist is an equally

835
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.440
valid possibility because you can see these
structures in the Patterson Gilman film. You

836
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:27.039
can see her zygomatic arches, you
can see her stitutal crest, you can

837
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:31.760
see the huge jaw. Patty in
the Patterson Gilman film was made for chewing.

838
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.880
That's what she's made for, chewing
and eating fibers foods, whether it's

839
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:42.480
the barrel shaped body or the cranial
structures, everything about her shrieks. I

840
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:46.639
chew heavy stuff. I think it's
an interesting idea adding this proteonic study,

841
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:52.719
this protein sequences to the paranthropist thing, and to extend it and to present

842
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.480
a sasquatch research. From my understanding, hair is pretty much mostly protein.

843
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.920
If we get good hair amples,
couldn't we do something similar to this?

844
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:05.159
And I don't know, that's just
a question. It's not what Darby's doing,

845
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.519
right, isn't that what they're doing
North Carolina State? No, No,

846
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.719
they're not doing that. They're not
doing protein sequences. They're doing DNA

847
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.199
stuff. So it's a different technology. But I'm thinking, well, why

848
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.599
don't we apply this other technology to
hairs that we get and see where these

849
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:23.159
things are. If they can figure
out some sort of taxonomic relationships, it's

850
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.800
easier to do that. Protein is
very much easier. Yeah, if hair

851
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.480
is mostly protein, as I think
it is, I think we can do

852
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:35.880
this. But I don't know.
I'm just a guy. I'm sure there's

853
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.679
lots of people listening who are a
lot smarter than me. If you know

854
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:43.960
about this technology, right into Bigfoot
and Beyond podcast at gmail dot com and

855
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:45.960
let us know what you think or
what you know about it, or what

856
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.280
you think you know about it for
sure. Yeah, because this, I

857
00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.400
think this is fairly new technology.
I've only even started reading about it in

858
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:53.639
the last year or two. But
you know, I don't read about everything

859
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.119
that exists, obviously, but it
seems like this would have crossed my desk

860
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.480
at some time in the last ten
or twenty years. I think. I

861
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:05.159
mean, it is just basically like
high percentage of approaching I'm pretty sure.

862
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:10.840
Yeah, So let's do this on
something living today and find out something oh

863
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.400
ninety one percent. Yeah, see
that seems like this might be able to

864
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.719
be done with hair, and we
have we think we have some hair samples

865
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:22.199
from sasquatches, So definitely I think
that's true. I wish I could read

866
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:23.960
the rest of the article. I
gotta look around for this. But because

867
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:31.400
I'm sure like paranthropists, those homedans
didn't or homedans didn't use a prol shampoo

868
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.960
was reprotein their hair, it would
have stayed. We would have a lot

869
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:37.239
more to work with. Yeah,
well, I don't. I don't think

870
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.960
they use shampoo at all. I
think they might use real pooh, not

871
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.119
that sham stuff. That's a that's
a joke I sold for the Muppet Show

872
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.159
years ago. By the way,
started self a joke himself, or stole

873
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:52.400
it from the Muppets. That's a
fine line. It's a fine line.

874
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:54.519
Yeah, but the quality of my
jokes being mostly dad jokes. I kind

875
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.559
of wonder if I do have any
children out there. I got my ancestry

876
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.119
testing. I got update, so
they're analyzing it right now. What you're

877
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.480
doing the twenty three and me thing
or something? Or what are you doing

878
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.320
ancestor dot com? Oh? Really, do you send us some DNA samples?

879
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:12.519
Yeah? We know they're they're using
those to solve crimes. Now.

880
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:14.679
I know that's why It held me
up for a long time, and I

881
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:19.159
thought the dies, Well, you
know, you've fallen into some sticky situations

882
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.360
in your life, but I think
that's pretty safety. Say, you haven't

883
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:23.880
murdered anybody, so I think you're
probably The other thing that was interesting that

884
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:29.400
popped up in the last couple of
weeks was that Heidelbergensis footprints they found the

885
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.199
new footprints. Oh yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, three

886
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.559
hundred thousand year old footprints. That's
pretty cool. They pushed back the soon

887
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.360
timeline by almost one hundred thousand years, right, Well, these were a

888
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.519
Homo heidelberg densis and they were to
see. The thing is I don't think

889
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.559
that we had a lot of heidelberg
Inst's footprints, and any footprints that are

890
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.800
found are of interest obviously. Well, the researchers said it came an incident

891
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.840
into the how the families operated.
It was like there was three footsteps.

892
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.880
Like they're saying, they got more
intent family lives and culture. So the

893
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:07.320
various tracks that scone engine offers a
snapshot of a family's daily life, maybe

894
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.079
provide information about the behavior and social
composition of hominin groups, as well as

895
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.559
spatial interactions and coexistence with elephant herds
and other small mammals, so as the

896
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:22.519
earliest known elephants and and rhinos I
found up there. Well, that's the

897
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:28.760
thing about footprints, and I'm glad
that they're applying this idea of tracking essentially

898
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.920
two fossilized footprints as well, because
if we want to know anything about sasquatches

899
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.559
or most most mammals, honestly most
mammals, you have to study their footprints.

900
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.400
You have to because observations of the
animals themselves, and whether it's sasquatches

901
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:46.000
or you know, wolverines or whatever, you don't see the animals very much.

902
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:50.760
They're just not easily seen. No
mammal is easily seen, you know,

903
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:52.880
compared to how many there are out
there. The way that most wildlife

904
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:59.000
biologists learn about behaviors and all that
jazz from these animals is by tracking them.

905
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.440
And every tack We'll tell you that
track line tells a story. Oh

906
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.679
yeah, yeah, it's the most
important. I think it's the most important

907
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.440
data we can gather about sasquatches at
this point outside of a body. If

908
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.360
we're going to learn about the species
and what they do and what they need

909
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.679
and where they go and how they
live and their social structures. That's all

910
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.920
in the footprints. So if anybody, anybody ever tells you that footprints are

911
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.199
not important, or what's another footprint
going to teach us, do not listen.

912
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:29.400
They are there, They are themselves
mislead. I think it's very important

913
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:34.000
to study these things, just like
we would study any other mammal form,

914
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:36.920
any other mammal form. Oh yeah, because you follow their tracks, and

915
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:39.400
that's when you find their scat.
You can find hair, I mean all

916
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:44.559
kinds of stuff. Yeah, foraging
sites. You can see if there's different

917
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:49.119
sizes of tracks, which gives some
sort of insight into social structures. And

918
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:52.519
that's what we have here at the
Homo hyder bring aainst the site. There's

919
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:58.000
only three tracks, only three tracks, and then looking at the context,

920
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.960
it tells us a little bit about
how they lived. Just by these three

921
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.559
tracks and the presence of rhino tracks
and elephant tracks and other sort of tracks

922
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:10.400
in the same substrate. We know
that these homes that there were more than

923
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.800
one homohydbergensis here, so that suggests
some sort of family unit of some sort.

924
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:20.599
They went down to the muddy river
or lake or stream bank at the

925
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.639
time just like all these other animals
did. It tells us the animals that

926
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.480
were in their environment, and they
probably use those animals for things if they

927
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.039
could get them. You know,
were they killing elephants maybe, were they

928
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.679
killing rhinos maybe, So it tells
us a little bit about the environment.

929
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:38.880
And also the presence of these other
animals suggests like the plant life that was

930
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:44.639
there. Just these tracks being in
the same strata that the same more or

931
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:51.519
less the same time and place tells
us about the lifestyle of Homo heidelbergensis and

932
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.079
the other animals that were there.
And of course all the animals that were

933
00:58:54.119 --> 00:59:00.000
in the environment were dependent upon one
another for various things, maybe food items.

934
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.000
Maybe it's elephants mixed up the ground
and made other main opportunity for their

935
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.639
plant life to come up and for
their seeds to sprout, and so they're

936
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.840
they're you know, the the web
of life, the interdependence of life is

937
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.800
what we're looking at here. These
footprints, despite there being only three from

938
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.679
two different individuals, tell us something
about that species, and that is an

939
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.400
important lesson because that's what we need
to do for sasquatches. You know,

940
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:28.639
this past February I cast three footprints
at one of our locations of two different

941
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:32.079
individuals. Well, gosh, this
has three different tracks, and you learn

942
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:37.199
all this stuff about home on Hyderbergensis
in this newspaper article. I found three

943
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.199
tracks in February of a sas or
of two sasquatches. It's kind of teaching

944
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:44.679
me a little bit about the local
big foots as well. Footprints tell us

945
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:50.119
story and every track way should be
well documented, cast if possible, and

946
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.079
then see what you can learn from
that situation. We'll see oldest non hominans

947
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:55.880
in Europe. Yeah, probably how
to bring inss No, no, no,

948
00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:00.159
no, Well, I don't know
that's a good question. Hyderbergensis be

949
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:04.920
my guess on that one. But
Homorectus is an older form, and it

950
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:08.880
was the holotype was discovered in Java
down in Indonesia, so it may have

951
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.280
wandered. Well, I probably wandered
southeast, you know. So I don't

952
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.960
know that's a good question. But
I would guess Heidelbergensis, That's what I

953
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:20.320
thought. I wasn't sure. Yeah, And there's also these other forms like

954
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.760
rudolph Insis and all these sort of
things that are very closely related to these

955
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.679
other ones. But Isaac Taine and
I were talking about this this past week

956
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.440
over out of the Mountains that species
are kind of a made up thing,

957
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:35.840
you know, they're kind of they're
kind of made up, and we draw

958
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.880
these strict lines between the species.
But that's not the way evolution happens.

959
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:45.760
Evolution happens very gradually. So what
we when we look at a skull or

960
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:50.039
something like that and say, oh, this is a Neanderthal or Heidelbergensis or

961
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:55.599
something, there's a lot of intermediate
forms that are not showing here and where

962
01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:01.480
on that gradient are they. So
to be strict about a species is kind

963
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:05.679
of tough in some ways because species
are kind of made up. We're just

964
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.320
basically slapping a term, a definition, a word on a reality. Well

965
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:14.320
I just run it up. It
said they're only this hoween one point two

966
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.360
and one point one million years ago? And did they say the species Homo?

967
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.039
How do you say that one Homo
ancessor. Yeah, that's how I'd

968
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:25.840
say at Homo ancessor. That's that's
the common ancestor between humans and Neanderthals.

969
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.039
So that makes sense, That makes
sense. Yeah, So that solve that

970
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:35.519
mystery. Only a handful more mysteries
to go we were doing pretty good.

971
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.639
Man, you want to shut this
episode down, we can go talk to

972
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:42.400
the members for a while. I
think the listeners have suffered enough now we

973
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.039
can move on. Well. They
keep coming back for more, and we

974
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:46.760
really really do appreciate it. I'm
glad you guys are enjoying hanging out with

975
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.719
Cliff and the Bobs. If we
can do anything for you, send us

976
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:52.800
an email. Send us an email
and let us know what we can do.

977
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:54.800
If you have a topic that we
think you think we should cover,

978
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.519
send us an email. We'd like
to hear about it. We are always

979
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:04.199
happy to receive. We love seeing
fan art. Some people are drawing some

980
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.239
great pictures and sending it to us. We get some really good ones.

981
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.000
We want to share that with everybody
when we get them. Yeah, I

982
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.039
don't know, man, other than
that both, why don't you take us

983
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.199
out of here? All right,
folks, thanks for joining us. We

984
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.320
really appreciate it. Hit like,
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985
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:27.679
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986
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.199
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987
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989
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990
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