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You're listening to k I Am sixty
on demand. Rubell, Welcome to the

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Jesus Christ Show. Thanks for taking
my call, my pleasure. How can

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I help you? Okay, Um, it's just something I've always done.

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It's just you know, when if
you don't believe someone, you make them

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swear to God. And I figure
if you swear to God and telling the

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truth, that's not a problem.
If you swear to God and you light,

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you burn in hell. So that's
like, I don't see the difference

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between that and swearing to tell the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but

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the truth. So I'll be God. Is that people? People always tell

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me if that's a sin to swear
to God even if you're telling the truth.

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Well, the two are different.
One. In the case of being

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in a courtroom, you are swearing
to tell the truth. You're not swearing

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to God. You're saying, so
help you God, meaning that there will

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be consequences to you not telling the
truth. When you swear to God,

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you are putting yourself in coming in
with God in regards to any particular topic

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that you will not follow through with. Even if you think you're telling the

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truth, you will not follow through
with an example of this, and I'm

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going to give you just a tiny
bit of homework as you can go through

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and you can read the Abraham Abrahamic
covenant found in Genesis twelve one through three,

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and you can see the ceremony that
takes place there between God and Abraham,

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and how God the Father even put
Abraham to sleep so that he wouldn't

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walk down this aisle and be a
part of this covenant, as was normally

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the case when two people were making
a covenant, they both walked down this

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aisle. It seems quite strange by
today's standards dealing with these these offerings.

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And for the point of understanding,
you had these two halves of animals and

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they would walk through, and the
two parties would pass through to show that

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their bond with this covenant and this
belief. Well, if in this particular

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safe case, this covenant was with
between God and Abraham, God didn't even

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want Abraham to walk down it for
many reasons, one of which is that

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Abraham would not have been able to
live up to it, as any man

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would not have been able to live
up with it to it. So God

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represented both sides in this case,
and God ended up being the one who

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made the covenant with himself, so
Abraham ends up being a party to it,

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but a silent party in this particular
case. And when you swear to

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God and I know, it becomes
kind of a just vernacular and it gets

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thrown around. It does a couple
of things. One, it makes a

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promise to God that you cannot keep
because you're human and you're fallible. And

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two, on the flip side,
it makes it. It makes it trite,

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It makes it small and meaningless to
throw around God's name in that context

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and to say, you know,
say these things. Also in scripture,

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another part that might be laying into
this is it says, let your yes

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mean yes, and you know me
no, that's it. So if you

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have to go to the place where
you're starting to swear all the time,

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that means that that implies that other
times you're not telling the truth. That

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if you have to say no,
this time, I'm really telling the truth,

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but last time I lied to you
is what it's implying. And so

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it's better to get to a point, especially with your friends, that the

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confidence is in the person saying it. That if you're saying, if you're

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making the claim that you're making the
claim based on the best knowledge you have

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and doing it wholeheartedly and not somehow
you know, going well, no,

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most of the time, I'm I'm
full of garbage. But this time,

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no, I'm actually telling the truth. Watch. I'll even swear to God

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one don't bring me into it.
If there's something that you're you want to

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stand on, stand on your own, say believe this to be true.

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And you note that I believe it
to be true because it's coming out of

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my mouth. Sandy, Welcome to
the Jesus Christ Show. Hi Jesus,

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thank you for taking my call.
I have a question about Genesis one twenty

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seven, where God says, so
God created man in his own image,

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oh, one twenty six, possibly
X, yeah, let us make man

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in our image. He's he's speaking
in plural there, and it confuses me.

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You know some people, Uh,
you're in good company. Some people

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get confused by that. And there
actually is about three different explanations that people,

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theologians and the like go to when
it comes to this particular passage.

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The most simplistic answer, um is
the direct answer, and that is that

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in the Hebrew the word elohim,
which is used there for God is actually

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plural. It's the word by its
very nature is plural. So some say,

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just by way of assumption, that
the basic grammar begs for that response.

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So it says that the name of
God in this sense is plural.

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Then it goes on to say,
let us go down and make man in

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our image has to be plural because
the name of God in that context is

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plural. So academically that's the simplest
answer. Now people get confused and go,

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well, why is God's name plural
in that case? Well, God's

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name goes from plural to singular throughout
scripture depending on the context. But God

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in the Judaeo Christian belief system is
always one. It's always one. The

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schmah is Hero Israel, the Lord, our God. The Lord is one.

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The word there a God is that
means one is very important. So

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as a as a belief system,
that's that's a monotheistic belief system. You

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believe in one God. That doesn't
make God plural. That merely says that

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the massiveness of God is a plurality. But God is not plural. It's

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not many gods. So the debate
goes on here from there and goes from

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the just the simple word study into
the possibility that it could be. There

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are some that believe that it's merely
God speaking to the Godhead, the Father,

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the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And there, yeah, absolutely

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there are many wonderful theologians that believe
that, not putting him in the wonderful

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theologian category. But my producer Neio
believes that also. In in addition to

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that, there are some that even
maybe on a stretch, look at this

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as a possible use of the majestic
we you know, the old elizabeth Ian

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we are not to muse or the
Queen Victoria that those type of kind of

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majestic terms always speaking in plurality,
but the context doesn't really denote that.

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And then lastly, there are those
that believe that it's the Father speaking to

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the Holy host of angels, but
that doesn't sit true in the context because

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it says, let us go down
and make man an our image, and

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angels are debatable as far as being
made in the image of God to begin

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with, let alone going and creating
creation further based on another creation, which

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is angels. So the most likely
explanation is dealing with strictly that it's just

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the language. The way the language
was speaks that the name of God Lohim

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in this case is plural. Therefore
led Us grammatically has to be plural as

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well. But I think that since
the rest of Scripture as you go through,

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often speaks of the Trinity. And
I'm gonna reference Matthew three, sixteen

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and seventeen, Second Corinthians thirteen fourteen, First Peter one two, is you

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know, spoken about throughout scripture.
Now, it's not necessarily fully developed in

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the Old Testament, but if you
read Psalmn one ten one, Isaiah sixty

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three seven, Isaiah nine or sixty
three seven, nine and ten as well,

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and Proverbs thirty verse four, I
think that you get a good insight

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as to the Trinity as something that
exists and is obviously deeply rooted in in

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scripture. Jim, welcome to Jesus
Christ show all right. Jesus is great

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to talk to you. My pleasure, Jim. How can I help you

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conundrum and some of my some of
the churches I've been in in the past.

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As I realized that my um I
was kind of just a Christian in

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name only the way I lived my
life for years and years, and as

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I get into your words and start
studying and being in a lot of Bible

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studies, realizing that my fruit was
rotten and people would know me that I

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wasn't living the way I needed to
live. Well, now, as the

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more I study, I all know
others by their fruit. And the biggest

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thing that that seems so hard to
get a pastor to address, especially a

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male pastor, is immodest dress among
women, especially in church, especially cleavage.

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And you know, I brought up
to h the church. What if

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I wore my cap in church every
Sunday? They said, well, people

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will be asking you to take it
off. And I say, why,

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what's the difference between you know?
They said, you know, there was

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obvious raisons for that, but nobody, even the women, won't go to

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some of the other women and say, look, darling, we'd like you

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to dress a little well modestly,
or the Lord would like you to or

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that's and then what's really weird is
when somebody has a cross. A lady

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has a cross hanging right between that
area herd deca lodge. So I don't

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want to, you know, people
say, well, we're not supposed to

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judge. I understand that, but
anyway, it seems to cause a stumbling

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block for men. To me,
it seems to cause a stumbling block the

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men who have problems with sexual addiction. And so I just wondered, what

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do you think about all that?
Well, there's many verses, and I'm

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going to try and get to as
many of them as I can in the

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time that we have allotted. First
of all, the hat issue is a

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specific issue spoken about and First Corinthians
eleven fourth through seven about a man wearing

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a hat, and so that might
be a little more specific. But as

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far as a woman showing her cleavage
or not showing her cleavage, there's not

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necessarily a specific verse for that in
scripture. The misunderstanding in scripture deals a

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lot as far as what modesty as
you kind of have to know based on

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yourself. There are all kinds of
weird fetishes out there where men like ankles

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or feet or hands, and you're
not going to have the women cover their

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hands or their feet or their ankles
just because there's men that have issues with

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it. That would be silly,
wouldn't you agree. So there's there's a

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balance in an understanding here. First
Timothy two nine and ten. First Peter

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three two through five will give you
an idea of certain verses that talk about

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modesty and dress for women in particular, But you kind of have to know

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more than that. You kind of
have to know the history of what took

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place here in the biblical times.
It's not about women wearing pants or not

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wearing pants. That it's totally fine
with women wearing pants. It's really speaking

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about the beauty of an individual should
come from their faith and their understanding of

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God, not from adornment. That's
the first thing. As far as modesty,

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the rules of modesty are going to
change as they've changed throughout the centuries.

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So it's going to be hard,
Jim, for you to say.

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Now, you may know it when
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that bothers me, but to dictate
that to someone else, there's not going

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to be a biblical precedent for that. There's not going to be a place

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where you can say you can't do
this specifically, because in scripture it talks

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about general ideas or things that we're
combating the view or to the appearance of

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being a pagan, not so much
just for the sake of looking a particular

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way. So modesty is going to
change, and you're going to have to

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kind of change with it. If
something bothers you, then you need not

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to look at it. But woman
showing or cleavages less necessarily the end of

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the world. Okay, we were
up against a break there and Jim had

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such a great question. There's more
to it that I wanted to get into.

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It's not that women should be able
to do whatever they want anymore than

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a man can do whatever he wants
in church. And but when it comes

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to cleavage's there's an area of discernment
that's going to be different with different people.

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There is nothing inherently vulgar about cleavage. The interpretation of that cleavage would

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be based on an individual person.
So if it's something, it's really the

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way a man looks at the cleavage
that's the problem. And so there's kind

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of a marriage that should be done
between the two. A woman should not

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be putting a man in the area
of lust and a man should not be

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lusting. So to what point that
happens, And truly it doesn't. You

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don't need cleavage to lust, So
at what point should be the discernments discernment

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of the individuals in any particular case. Are there women that dress inappropriately at

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church? Absolutely, I see it
quite often that it looks like women are

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going to a beauty contest. And
some of these churches really have very cliquish

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popularity contests. And these are the
wealthy groups, and they're very fantastic churches.

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And these are all the books we've
written, and these are all the

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music CDs we've put out, and
all of these things. And it gets

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to the point where the gospel is
kind of put in the back seat and

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people are wearing all their fancy clothing
and look how wealthy or look how productive

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I am in this world. And
yes, that can take away from from

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the cause of Christ, but you
also have to A woman may say,

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hey, a guy and T shirts
and jeans does it for her? And

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is she going to dictate now,
I don't want T shirt and jeans.

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And you know, baggy pants looks
like you're a gangster type pants looks like

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you're trying to show off your goods. There's you're going to have to use

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discernment and it's not going to be
one size fits all the clothing. The

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background dealing with the clothing of biblical
times, it was incredibly different from what

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you wear today. It was very
similar that what men and women wore.

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There was very few things that differentiated. And men often wore, you know

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that this kind of loose woolen robelike
cloak, and it referred to in scripture

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often as a mantle. This this
outer garment, and they have belts or

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something fastened around the waist, sash, and a coat that went over that

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long piece of piece of cloth,
sometimes leather sandals. Men would wear turbans.

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I know you don't think of it
that way. You don't see a

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lot of biblical depictions that way in
movies, but that's the truth. Women

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sometimes and in some cultures would wear
a veil, but not necessarily across the

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board. So there are some specifics
that are talked about in scripture. Cross

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dressing is one of them, and
part of that is due to the confusion

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that it caused. There were so
many similarities in biblical times of how a

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man and a woman looked, and
there were rules and laws as such.

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Men weren't supposed to touch women that
weren't their wives. Some of the cross

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dressing would cause confusion. Now there's
other insights. Some people say, well,

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they has to deal with sexuality in
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were basic concerns that if you didn't
know that you were reaching out to touch

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a man or a woman, that
could cause problems. And the appearance was

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very similar. So those distinctions were
important so that men would not get themselves

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into a situation and women would not
get themselves into a situation. In the

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New Testament, when it talks about
proper dress for women, it says in

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First Timothy two nine through ten,
I also want women to dress modestly with

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decency and propriety, not with braided
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clothes, but with good deeds appropriate
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Does that mean that a Christian woman
cannot braid her hair, or gold or

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pearls or expensive clothes. No.
The context of this is trying to overshadow

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any of those things, to make
the individual not be about those material goods,

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but it be about the goods of
the heart, good deeds, those

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things that were appropriate for women who
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these Biblical writings were countering a concern
at the time. The epistles are really

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dealing with things that were going on
in the church at the time that they

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were trying to combat, and so
that comes out quite a bit in the

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scripture, and sometimes when reading it, people don't put it in its proper

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context, and therefore it gets misunderstood
that there was a battle going on between

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the Pagans, between new people coming
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new church that was different than just
temple to them, and an understanding is

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what should be done there now a
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are dealing with these cific abuses during
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feel, some theologians feel that Paul
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men and women equal, and that
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views at the time, and that
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You can reference Galatians twenty six through
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lot of theologians and scholars that believe
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were feeling their new stated liberation and
going overboard. And you see that all

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the time. There's people that they
get a new lease or they have a

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freedom that comes to them, and
the first desire is to swing the pendulum

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all the way to the other side
and not find balance. And some theologians

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believe that these statements in First Timothy
to nine through ten and First Peter three

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two through five, we're addressing this
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the early Church was saying. No, men and women are equal and women

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have rights. I know that sounds
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tell you Scripture and the New Testament
says, but that's the truth. Scripture

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was about liberating women and showing the
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saying that there isn't different positions,
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and women give birth, men do
not things like that. But some

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feel that during the time historically women
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the oppression and going overboard, and
this was to squelch that in response saying,

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hey, hey, hey, hey, tone it down a bit.

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It's not about that. It's still
it's about your heart and that's what God

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wants to see and not your adornments. And don't cause someone to stubble stumble.

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Scripture does say that that a brother
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so in the case of cleavage.
In the case of a woman dressing

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attractive, at what point do you
say, hey, that's causing me to

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stumble and it's infringing on their liberties
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something for you if you really feel
that, you you know, you feel

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moved to go up to somebody,
and in the case of being at a

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church and you feel that a woman's
dressing inappropriately and you want to approach her

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and say, I in no way
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bad about yourself. It's just a
struggle for me here at church to focus

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on God. When I find that
some people are wearing mini skirts or you

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know, halftops or things like that, I think it's very appropriate to go

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up and say, hey, I
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distracting. And I don't mean that
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shape form. That's just the truth
of it. And it's hard for me

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to get past that and get to
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you start, you know, saying, well, then there may be something

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that she finds distracting and you go
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arise. It is difficult for male
pastors to speak on these things because it

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may be looked upon as patriarchal lean
on women and women alone. It's not

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very fair in the eyes of a
woman that since women don't look at men

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as sexual objects in the same way
in the same sense, that it doesn't

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affect men. So now that women
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deal with this, because the guys
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fitted top without thinking that them sexually. So I would say that it is

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very much a combined effort that men
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to understand that men do look at
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new modesty in the church. But
what is modest now, for better or

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for worse, is different than what
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that can't you can't pass that up. I don't think that's fair to take

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it out of context and not understand
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and and I understand that a lot
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I want you to know that and
to think about that when you're dressing as

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men and women should be going to
church for God and not to show off

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their latest outfits or to somehow show
off their bodies. Charlie, Welcome to

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Jesus Christ show. Hi, Hi, Charlie. I have a kind of

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a theological question for you. If
God is all knowing, then does he

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know those that are going to be
saved? I was told that salvation does

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not come through choice, that God
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And the question I have them going
along those lines. Did you die

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for everyone as the Bible says?
Or is there limited atonement for the eLAC

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that you read about in Ephesians,
in Second Peter and there's a few other

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books. Because I'm always I always
hear the scripture reference that none should perish,

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and I was just curious as to
what your take was on that.

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Yes, this is one of those
theolog called dilemmas that sometimes it's right in

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front of you and people don't seem
to see it. When it comes to

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being all knowing, that doesn't mean
dictating, Charlie. You remember that that

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old silly show The Newlywed Game,
Yea, And the premise was that the

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husband and wife, the Newlyweds one
would go where they couldn't hear and the

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other would sit and answer questions that
they thought the spouse would say, and

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then they'd come back together and you'd
see how many of them you got right.

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So, what's your wife's favorite ice
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newlywed man, would say it's chocolate, or they might even word it this

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way. If we had chocolate vanilla
here for your wife to choose to eat

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today, which would she choose?
And the man would say chocolate. Now,

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that's because he knows that individual.
And this the whole premise of that

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show was just to point out how
well they knew each other, and it

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doesn't dictate. And that doesn't mean
that the husband is forcing the woman the

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wife to eat chocolate ice cream.
It's that the man knows her so well

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through his love for her and attentiveness, that he knows that she would choose

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ice cream. That in no way
forces her choice. So God's foreknowledge doesn't

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force the choice of the individual.
He simply and I say simply, because

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he's God. He simply knows what
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But that doesn't mean that the choices
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for everyone. Of course they are. But if you don't like vanilla,

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and you'll never eat vanilla no matter
what. Then vanilla really isn't even a

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choice to you. Only the chocolate
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there are individuals that will reject God
no matter what. They just don't want

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to know God. They don't want
to be accountable to God here. They

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certainly don't want to be with God
in heaven for eternity, which is what

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heaven is. Everyone thinks, well, heaven is this great reward. It's

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like, oh, we get to
go to heaven and we're going to have,

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you know, fast cars, and
we're going to be able to eat

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all the ice cream we want and
do what. That's not what heaven is.

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Heaven is being in the presence of
God and worshiping God. And if

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you don't want to do that here
on earth, God allows people not to

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do it. So it comes back
to the fact that if God knows what

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your choice will be, has no
way an effect on what your choice is.

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It doesn't mean that God forced the
choice. He just knows what your

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choice is going to be. Now, as far as the elect it depends

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on the definition of elect Some people
feel that election is not done on God's

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end. God wishes everyone. God
desires everyone to be saved. The blood

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in the cross is there for everyone. You're correct across the board. But

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there are those that will receive and
there are those that won't. And the

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ones that receive are the elect because
they will receive, not because they are

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somehow separated from everyone else by God. And therefore God is playing a game

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with everyone and saying, well,
you know it's impossible for you to win

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this game, but you're going to
play it anyways. It's not like that.

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It's everyone does get a fair chance, although God does know who will

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receive and who won't, and it's
still more valuable to have that option and

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reject it than it is to not
have been created at all. There's no

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moral value in nothingness, so you
can't say, well, why didn't God

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just create those that would choose him? Then there isn't truly a choice or

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a value in that process. You
have to have the ability to accept or

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reject for there to be value in
that choice. And just because God knows

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what you will choose doesn't mean you
didn't have that value or didn't have that

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ability to choose. There's a major, major difference between God knowing and God

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forcing you to make that choice.
Do you understand the difference between the two,

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Yes, yes, I do.
Okay, good good, You're very

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very welcome. Kf I am sixty
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