WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:30.519 Hey, everybody, it's Tuesday, November seventh, twenty twenty three. When 2 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:33.960 did we collectively decide this? Don't adjust your clocks, because, folks, 3 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:38.200 it is time for the Giant BombCast powered by NZXT. I'm your host, 4 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:44.039 jan Oh Choa joining me co captain of the ship as always. Jeff Grub, 5 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.679 you said that date, and I need to call my dad. It's 6 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.640 his birthday, so I'll do that soon as this show's over. Happy birthday, 7 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:56.240 Dad, Happy birthday, Papa Papa Grub. Jeff Backlar, you were 8 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:00.920 here the authority on birthday celebrations. What you for, Papa Papa Grub. 9 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:07.799 We're gonna take him ax throwing Hell yeah, and we're gonna We're gonna see 10 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.079 how he likes that. We'll have to go through that whole safety protocol first, 11 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.280 but we'll do it. Uh. And that's how you should celebrate. 12 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.280 I love how you intro the show. Uh, Jen. It's almost as 13 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.840 if the date surprises you every time it does, like it sneaks up on 14 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.599 you. It does. I like that about your delivery time terrifies me, 15 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.200 mm hmm. But you know what doesn't terrify me, h. What doesn't 16 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:38.519 terrify me is making new friends, extending my hands across the internet and holding 17 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:44.439 hands and joining those hands with our two special guests today joining us, we 18 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.760 have Nathan Grayson and Chris Person. Hello, gents, Hey, how's it 19 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.239 going? Fantastic? Fantastic? Ye glad to have you guys here. Why 20 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.959 are you guys here? How'd you get here? How'd you get in here? 21 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:02.920 What's happening? Were done with video games? I tried to be, 22 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.959 and then unfortunately I was forced back in by my own, by my new 23 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.879 boss who is me? Yeah, I heard that guy's are all bastards and 24 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.719 you gotta be careful with that. Yeah. It barely even keeps like a 25 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.919 coherent schedule. I don't understand how he's made it this far. Yeah, 26 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:22.520 So, you guys, guys started a website about video games in twenty twenty 27 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:27.479 three. Tell us about it. Yeah. So, it's called Aftermath. 28 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.599 It is a new, worker owned, reader funded video game website. It's 29 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:36.680 about games, the Internet culture, things like that. It's founded by people 30 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.319 who used to work at Kataku. Four of us, and you know, 31 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:44.560 we are hoping to just kind of do writing that is good and cool and 32 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.479 interesting to us in a time when a lot of other websites are folding and 33 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:53.360 things are going kind of horribly in that regard you guys. When you guys 34 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.439 set out to do it, what was a conversation like what was like, 35 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:00.800 Oh, we need this to make it possible. I'm like kind of curious, 36 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.199 like what stages of grief did you go through? All that stuff? 37 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.000 I mean, honestly, like, you know, the making it possible element 38 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.319 was pretty contentent, just on like the right people being available. It was 39 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:19.000 sort of like a handful of is because the so the whole crew is me, 40 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:24.879 Luke Plunkett, Keta Jackson, Riley McLeod, and Chris and so it 41 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:29.400 was just sort of a matter of like the right people being no longer employed, 42 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.400 which again in this industry happens a lot more than it used to. 43 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:37.599 And so it was just kind of this conversation that initially I had with Luke 44 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:39.080 because he had just quit Kotaku, and I was like, wow, that 45 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.800 I think really speaks to the state of things. And so I was like, 46 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.680 hey, you know, maybe we could do defector for games, just 47 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:53.960 kidding un less, and he was like, yeah, let's do it. 48 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.960 And so I was like, oh, okay, well then, and that 49 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.879 that was pretty much the start of the process. After that, it was 50 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.000 just you know, uh, learning how to start a business, which is 51 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.120 not a terribly interesting thing to talk about, but which took a lot of 52 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:10.039 time. Yeah, that's that's the scary thing. When I think about anything 53 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.120 like that, it's like, oh, that seems like a lot of work 54 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:15.479 and a lot of responsibility and the kind of thing where with my brain I'm 55 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:16.519 like, oh I can probably maybe I could get it set up, but 56 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:20.040 actually maintaining it, it's just interview is going to come for it so fast. 57 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:24.240 So I mean, do one of you stand out as like, oh, 58 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.319 this person actually seems like they would be responsible and now you guys just 59 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.519 put all the work on them. I mean Riley, yeah, definitely, 60 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:38.959 right, Like Riley is one of the most responsible people we know, and 61 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:44.279 it seems to he's he's so cool, uh, just a great editor and 62 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:48.600 also just really uh talks about it. I don't know, it's it's it's 63 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.000 it's hard to I don't want to to speak for me. It's just like 64 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.959 it's very much like get the person who actually gets the things in all the 65 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.120 ducks in a row instead of you know, just coming in and doing your 66 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.560 your your flighty writer thing, and it's always just one of the most consistent 67 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:11.279 people I know in a field of people who are very like, you know, 68 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.279 flighty. I don't know other way to put it. Yeah, no, 69 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.839 I mean it definitely makes sense. I mean, together the Giant bomb 70 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.439 at night, couch for a Game of the Year, and it's like, 71 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:23.439 oh, man, hurting cats. Yet again, it's like I'm one of 72 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.040 those cats. So I totally get it. Luke as well, Luke as 73 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.079 well for for for context. Luke is also just phenomenally like, guys, 74 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:30.519 what are we doing? You know, guys, what are you doing? 75 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.199 Guys, what are you doing? And so like yeah, they they they 76 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.600 play off each other really well too, in that Riley is always fretting about 77 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.120 something, which is good because somebody needs and Luke is on the other end 78 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.759 of the spectrum being like, actually, it's gonna be okay, this is 79 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:46.240 not going to be the end of us. This is not the worst possible 80 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.040 thing that could happen. Most things are just gonna work. It'll be It'll 81 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:54.000 be all right. And so between that we have a We're on every possible 82 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:57.240 side of the emotional spectrum all the time. I love it, right, 83 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.720 you need a duck wrangler, a fredder, someone to talk someone down. 84 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.519 Uh So, I mean then when it comes to like actually that like the 85 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.399 content and putting stuff up on on a website, what's like, what's the 86 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.240 vision? Yeah, so the basic idea is, like, you know, 87 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.480 I think that a lot of the people in games media who have launched their 88 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.560 own things have kind of you know, made it a little bit more personality 89 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.560 driven out of necessity and also because people enjoy that. But that means like, 90 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.279 you know, a less frequent schedule than maybe the websites that they came 91 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.199 from, And so we want to go back a little bit more to like 92 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.879 the way things unfolded when there were more blogs around, meaning that like you 93 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:40.439 know, we're going to have daily content. We're going to have at least 94 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:43.000 a few posts every day, if not more, depending on you know, 95 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.959 longer term projects and things like that, and like you know, we're going 96 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:48.800 to do a podcast, We're going to do a twitch stream and all that 97 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.120 stuff too. But yeah, we we want to do something that's a little 98 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.040 bit more akin to you know, these sorts of places that we came from, 99 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.879 places like Kotaku before they became overburdened by you know, the need to 100 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:08.120 produce guides and a bunch of other types of content that maybe just just private 101 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:12.759 equity generally. Yeah, I mean like that that's really the the sort of 102 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.040 like that was always you know, we take a lot of you know, 103 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:19.160 everyone involved has taken a lot of influence from Defector, and so like the 104 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:24.120 idea of being like, we don't have to stay here anymore. What you're 105 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.920 what you want is the people we can just move is is really heartening, 106 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.839 and I mean it feels strange. It feels strange to be like, okay, 107 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.160 is this going to work? And you know there is still that anxiety, 108 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:41.879 but you know, yeah, I do like for people that are listening 109 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.680 might not know what Defector is. Defector was people from dead Spin who after 110 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.560 that turned into various kinds of trash fires. They left, did their own 111 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:55.639 thing and had they all quit, ye, right, a real big exodus, 112 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.399 yes, and then then yeah, yeah, starting their own thing. 113 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.199 And it's gone pretty well so far, right, I mean, it's gone 114 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.160 well beyond anybody's wildest dreams. Like they now employ a staff of around thirty 115 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:11.560 people, but it's all still you know, reader funded, writer owned, 116 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.040 and like, you know, it's i mean, it's the north star for 117 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.160 all of us. If we can do something even a fraction of that good, 118 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:24.480 then we'll be set. Can I talk more about that, because obviously 119 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.160 you you know, we understand the path that got you here, right, 120 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.279 And that's the thing that find I find to be the most intriguing about all 121 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.960 this is the sort of socialized worker owned element of all this. So talk 122 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.840 to me about that, because I'm just a dirty socialist. Well same, 123 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:46.840 welcome to the club. Well yeah, so I mean like that that especially 124 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:50.440 coming from a place like Geomedia, which owns Kotaku, also owns dead Spin, 125 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.039 so like we have a commonality with defector there, and like having all 126 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.679 of this, you know, this increasing corporate interference, our fates being tied 127 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.639 to just like you know, the whims of these executives who like sold the 128 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.759 company or the site multiple times. Like all of that definitely put us in 129 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.799 the headspace of like, okay, this blows. And like even as we 130 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.360 were part of a union there, which was really cool and you know, 131 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.960 helped I think ease a lot of the pain, it still didn't solve the 132 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:18.480 problems. We were still sort of you know, stuck on the outside looking 133 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:26.720 in with management making tons of questionable decisions eventually culminated in a strike after our 134 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.799 respective times. But yeah, so after all of that, we were just 135 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.559 like, Okay, what if we just make something and own it ourselves and 136 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.720 do it on our own terms, because you know, we kind of know 137 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:39.960 best from having done this job for years and years and years. There's there's 138 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.919 a a thing about being in a union is that a union always wants the 139 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.679 company to do well because the union members want to do well. It's always 140 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.759 a constant talking point that you hear whenever, like private equity guys or owners 141 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.399 and they're like, oh they want to they you know, they won't want 142 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.360 the company to do well. No, you want the company to do well 143 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.000 so you can hire more people who are also in the union. Like it's 144 00:09:56.080 --> 00:10:01.840 it's it's itself a symbiotic relationship. Not true for private equity. Private equity 145 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.000 does not care if a company lives or dies. In fact, many of 146 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.879 them bank on that, Yeah, if you uh way to make money even 147 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:11.559 if it dies, like they have sometimes they're betting on it. Sometimes they'll 148 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:15.480 overleverage a company like Toys r US and just like sink it. And you 149 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.639 know that was the plan, yes, so so so for in the case 150 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:20.360 of like, you know, there's this dynamic of like, if you're dealing 151 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.120 with private equity, they will there's a chance that they'll do that, and 152 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:28.000 then like the some of those tactics won't work anymore, the same way that 153 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.519 a cooperatively on place will you know what I mean? And that's the idea 154 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:37.080 is like one last question that I'll let Jim get on with this if he 155 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.679 wants Nathan you ever feel bad for having better cute boy curly hair than me? 156 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:46.200 You know, I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, you 157 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.600 know, it's constant jealousy, blow too much smoke up Nathan's butt here, 158 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:54.919 but it's I mean, it's some slam and hair my dog yours is pretty 159 00:10:54.919 --> 00:11:03.200 good. It's like a pretty good but I'm at that distant fair enough. 160 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.360 When I met Nathan for the first time at last year's Game Awards, I 161 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:13.559 was torn between commenting on his hair or his coheating cameo tattoo, and I 162 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.159 chose the ladder And I'm glad we covered all our bases a couple of eventually. 163 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.399 Yes, you know. A fun fact is that they just hosted a 164 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.399 cruise like you know, in a boat that I was on like two weeks 165 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:31.600 ago. Yeah, it was just them. It was like a it was 166 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.639 like a music festival at Seed basically them and a bunch other bands they brought 167 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.320 along. But yeah, it was It was cool as hell. Hell yeah, 168 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.759 before I forget call to action, like where can people go? What 169 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.639 should they be doing? How can they best support? Yeah? So, 170 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:48.399 I mean the the website is just aftermath dot site, and the way they 171 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.440 can best support is by subscribing. Like we are fully entirely reader funded. 172 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.720 We do not really have any other means of generating income, and so if 173 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:00.519 you can subscribe like that, that is the deciding factor. And whether we 174 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.000 can do this long term, turn this into a full time job all that, 175 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.240 or whether we'll have to, you know, in some number of months 176 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.519 or years sort of say Okay, well we gave it our best shot and 177 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:11.679 now it's time to scatter to the wins and try something else. So I'm 178 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:15.759 as been a big fan of you guys for a long time. Really glad 179 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.519 you guys are doing this. This is all hell yeah. Yeah. When 180 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.240 you were listening off everyone involved with Aftermath, I was like, damn, 181 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.600 that's a murderer's row folks. Jeez. Yeah, I've done a lot of 182 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.639 murders. I agree. Okay, we'll cut that out of the pod. 183 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.399 Don't worry, Nathan, I don't worry. We got you recently too, 184 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.840 very provable. Is that why you were on a boat? Our next target 185 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:48.159 is Jim Spanfeller. Take that. How's everyone doing other than you know, 186 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.799 launching a new website? Everyone's good, everyone's yeah, okay, ish. 187 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.919 I feel like I said this before the show. I'm trying to do walks 188 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.600 before the first thing in the morning, and I'm doing because I like it 189 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.919 and I think it's something I'll stick with because we got got the gym over 190 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:03.840 there, and I try to do it, but occasionally it's like, oh 191 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.039 boy, that's I don't have time to do that in the middle of the 192 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.039 day and get all sweaty. But walk in the woods it's pretty good. 193 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.120 But I am looking for advice on how to not look scary in the woods 194 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.879 because I am passing people who are frightened of me and I can tell and 195 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.840 I don't know what to do with the knives my hair exactly. Yeah, 196 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:24.679 trying to think of ways you could be more scary, Okay, yeah, 197 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.240 go full circle. Yeah, which is like I guess you just look as 198 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:33.679 though you're always out of vaguely out of focus and trundling. Is there a 199 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.480 way to look like? Is there a way to look like a cryptid? 200 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.080 Is just? Is? Just is just? It's just I do I think 201 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.120 I have a shuffle. I have a gate like a cryptid already, so 202 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.519 I'm already on. I think that's a big part of it, is like 203 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:50.279 they see in thick guy shuffling, Yes, exactly past I would. I 204 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:56.279 would bring dead leaves with you. So if if everything's moist, you can 205 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:03.279 create your own noise. Yeah, drag some sort of like rope and then 206 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.559 behind you like something wrapped in a blanket with the room and just you know, 207 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:13.720 that's maybe overkill. But can you affect a main accent and clean out 208 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:18.080 a carburetor and say something cryptic about like the local, like something that happened 209 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:24.639 locally, the train used to be coming through here with a main accent. 210 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:31.679 It's got a lot of history. How Yes, yes, I'm learning so 211 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.639 much today. Grab the easy answer. Just carry a hula hoop with you. 212 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:50.600 That's that's such a good idea. Yeah, most terrified, you get 213 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:54.960 the it's like, Okay, I'm proud of you, Grub. It's the 214 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:00.240 right time of year to be walking in the woods. Sounds real pretty there. 215 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.639 Yeah, that's real nice. It's gonna get real cold. You know. 216 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.720 We went out to that cabin a little bit ago. That's we just 217 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.679 did hiking. That's the whole thing we did there. And I'm like, 218 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:09.639 I got home and I told you guys, I had that all trails app 219 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:11.919 and I'm like, oh, there's one two minutes from my house that looks 220 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.799 pretty nice, and that's the one I went to. It was really nice. 221 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.960 I'm like, I'm just gonna do this every day the kids go to 222 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.840 school. I ain't got anything anything else to do until about you know, 223 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.799 ten am eleven am. So it's been great to be clear. Don't do 224 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:24.840 it in the summer. Don't go outside in the summer. You gotta go 225 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.600 outside now, No, no, no, do it. Do it, 226 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.120 Grub, And then you can start rocking bucket hats. Okay, that's what 227 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.279 I do, And I'm not proud of it. I just fine. Now 228 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.200 we've we've gone beyond it. There was a really long time where like you 229 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.720 could only do it if you were like a Japanese style blogger or a veteran 230 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.200 and now like just nobody cares anymore. Now bucket everyone's Yeah, buckets are 231 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.039 kind of fine. Yeah, the bucket had cargo shorts and my my fanny 232 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.759 pack. I think I'm gonna look real hot. Sell the T shirt, 233 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:58.440 Sell the T shirt. Yes exactly, helly backlar. If you're ashamed of 234 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.399 your bucket, had just like flip up the top part of the brim and 235 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.200 then you'll just look cute, you know. Yeah, well, of course 236 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.080 that's my go to when I'm having a feeling self, feeling like I'm not 237 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.200 looking my best. But I've totally rationalized the entire thing. Now, I'm 238 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.240 comfortable with myself anything to avoid the sun. You should see me on a 239 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:18.960 beach. If I'm comfortable looking the way I do on the beach, I'm 240 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:22.039 gonna be comfortable no matter what I do. So I appreciate it. Though, 241 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.240 before we get to the games, I had to take like a proper 242 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.679 photo of myself or something. And I know we joke around about this a 243 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.600 lot, specifically I've brought up this joke, but man, do I do 244 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:40.759 have DSLS. Huh? I just got wow, I just got big ass 245 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:47.200 lifts. I didn't think. Do you want us to agree like I do 246 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.399 agree? I've told you sometimes in person. Well it's because i've told, 247 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:56.600 because I've said the joke to Grub. That is me giving permission to Grub 248 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.080 to also joke about it as well. So Chris Nathan, feel free anytime 249 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:07.640 I see you in person, just like, yeah, do yes, we're 250 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.200 all jealous of your mustache. Okay, no, no, it's not even 251 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:12.359 the mustache. It's just like I was, well, it gets to hang 252 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:21.079 out with its important. Any chapstick brand out there or lip bomb. Holler 253 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.000 at your boy because I do need it. Yeah, I need NXT and 254 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.960 Carmex. It's like, yeah, oh, can you imagine a PC cooled 255 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:38.599 by Carmex. That's a weird I don't know if that works in the loop 256 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:45.720 instead of yeah, that blizzard that cooled by human blood that they were making. 257 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.720 Yeah, that's right, that's weird. That's a weird thing that they 258 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.799 did. Yes, I'm sure Carmex smells awesome when heated. Where did they 259 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.279 get the blood? Yeah, I don't think they answered, I don't. 260 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.400 I don't think they actually did it. I think that's to like a joke 261 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.039 or something like that. It's probably red Water. Who cares. I don't 262 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.039 think anybody's taking a test of it, but I would like to know where 263 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.880 they got the blood. Yeah, that's a good question. I would like 264 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:18.119 a question that that aftermath the website could investigate that why that, uh, 265 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.480 where did you get that blood? Blizzard exactly? Who I could ask? 266 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:30.759 Oh? No, I might actually look into this room. Favorite kinds of 267 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:33.240 blogs, dude, those are my favorite ones where it's just like you see 268 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.000 something kind of weird that's like a PR thing you just kind of pass over 269 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.680 it. Did you see the bed they made for Starfield? No, there's 270 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.759 like a gaming chair and it was like sponsored by like Sealy Apostrophedic or something 271 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.880 like that. It was only in England and it was like one of many 272 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.000 confusing PR things that they make, and it looked really uncomfortable because it was 273 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.359 dual joysticks and it was like way too far away with an ultra wide monitor. 274 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:57.519 It's just the one where it's like you're kind of like leaning back and 275 00:18:57.559 --> 00:19:00.440 it's like the joysticks are off to the side like this, Yeah, like 276 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.039 the way nobody would play that game, and like also way too far away 277 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.640 and like you can tell it was like okay, like a Mattress brand wants 278 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.440 to do like an integration that will never leave England, or like Games Calm, 279 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:17.000 and it's like those are always my favorite because I want you can tell 280 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:21.079 what they originally envisioned and then what came out. Sure, always really interesting, 281 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.240 and there's the eternal question of who got to keep it? Where is 282 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:27.680 it now? Yeah, I want to know. I want to know where 283 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:33.480 the Evolve statue went, the one that was like yeah events, it was 284 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.519 huge, and it's definitely in a dumpster, but like in parts, it's 285 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:42.000 probably lost at sea. I'd say, you know that sounds like article. 286 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.119 That's also like imagine ahead of that pop up, it's like you'd think it 287 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:51.279 was a kaiju. Yeah, we know there are no good like billionaires, 288 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:52.640 because if I had that kind of money, I would be buying these things 289 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.839 and just hiding them in random places in the woods so that when I was 290 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.640 walking out there, I would get scared. I was I'm gonna get one 291 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.279 of those twelve thirteen foot werewolves from Home Depot and just put them up in 292 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.160 the woods somewhere and just see what happens. Wait, they're selling were wolves. 293 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.920 They were selling Wolves skeletons. Well, guys, we're so we're so 294 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.039 far beyond the skeleton. The skeletons was like v one. It's very past 295 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.720 that. It's very out of vogue for sure. Okay, this guy's too 296 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.119 cool for school. But it's like, but lesson, I still love these 297 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.480 things, which is the Witch is amazing. Those came out late in the 298 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.759 season. Amazing. We just got Jack skeleton. We got a hot shit 299 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.400 on that, so we got that for next year. That will always be 300 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:41.359 fine. The Halloween meta has changed. The Witch okay, stands on like 301 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:45.599 the trail of smoke. It leaves in its wake like they did some real 302 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:52.319 fun optic optical illusion and that's the weight is camouflaged in this. It's really 303 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:55.319 cool. It's the one that does, like when you look, it does 304 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.039 look like it's flying exactly. Yeah. Okay, oh yeah that's pretty neat. 305 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:07.440 Yeah, so buy that now a coupon code Giant Skeletons, giantback Giant 306 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:12.119 video Games. Oops, there you go, there it is. There is 307 00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:19.759 the button go Excel are fantastic piece of product, programs, software hardware. 308 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.279 Great. I also have one and it has a little like button you can 309 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:27.400 press to like make bleep sounds for when your curse, and I thought I'd 310 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.079 use that all the time, and instead I just tell people about it. 311 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.519 Yeah, back of our presses it when he's saw too high to do the 312 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.200 show in the middle of the show. So yeah, well, wow, 313 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.039 wake and bake just means don't call on me. That's all I means. 314 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:48.400 I have a baby face because I spent way too much money. Wait wait, 315 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:52.240 what is that Army? They just make really good interfaces. Okay. 316 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.359 It also has one of the only non annoying like patching things like voice meter 317 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:00.559 style that I've ever seen in any product. It just works. It's so 318 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.680 that's the thing I'm worried about losing with the go xlr offentially deprecates and like 319 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:08.079 stops working fully. I need that stuff so bad at this point, I'll 320 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.799 hate I use it, but I hate it too, Like I'll use it 321 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:12.440 if I have to, but I don't want to go back to it. 322 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.400 I know this is all it's it's all hardware done and like, yeah, 323 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:18.720 the Army baby face is like a great thing, but it's also like a 324 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.200 grand and like it has The problem is I had like a duet and Daddy 325 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.920 Fandom's problems, but it's just the patching is really good. And under that, 326 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.039 the Mode M two is my favorite for like two hundred dollars. Okay, 327 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.799 I'm gonna I'm gonna hate you up. This thing actually breaks a little 328 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:38.839 tech corner here. Absolutely Chriss on this front so well. In fact, 329 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.440 all the stuff that I have this microphone included was a Chris recommendation. That's 330 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.759 the way it did, yeah baby, okay, yep, and that's the 331 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:55.480 wish list. There you certain little capbacks. They stole that term from wrestling. 332 00:22:55.480 --> 00:23:00.039 No baby face, that's famous the rest? Sure? Yes? Is 333 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:04.240 it pronounced k fabe or how do you say that? The ladder? The 334 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:10.079 ladder? It's you know, you were too excited you try to work him. 335 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.839 Kefabbi is amazing though, and we should totally make that a thing. 336 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.839 I don't know next to anything about wrestling. I just know it because I 337 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.440 hang around these freaks all the time. It sounds like a small Italian car 338 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.319 that you would like that would be a heart like difficult to end port like 339 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.279 that, like an a breath uh huh. I gotta get my hands in 340 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.920 that kafabi. Yeah, well, back Lar, don't worry you work with 341 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:33.960 grub and I and not only are we poisoned by wrestling, we're poisoned by 342 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:40.720 mispronouncing everything that's true everything. Yep, Jeff Greb, you've been playing Mortal 343 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.720 Kombat one. Yeah. Yeah, I've been playing it on the site, 344 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.240 and uh so we have people who haven't watched. I started the story for 345 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.960 Mortal Kombat nine, and then I did ten eleven. Now we're doing one 346 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.720 and maybe three two thirds three quarters of the way through the story. Uh 347 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.480 And I gotta say, I really like this campaign. I'm really the story 348 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.000 mode in a way that I wasn't into nine, ten or eleven. I 349 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.799 thought nine's was kind of fun. I think that ten's has a kind of 350 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.880 a fun Gi Joe vibe, and then eleven was like a bad Avengers movie 351 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.119 in a lot of ways. This one is, Oh, I can follow 352 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:21.079 the story. They are getting very mature with their blocking and with their uh 353 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.279 with like actually setting up the action scenes and then the dialogue scenes, like 354 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.200 the cameras moving in an interesting way. They don't linger too long on boring 355 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.359 stuff, just they really got there their footing. I think with this one 356 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.640 to the point where I really recommend playing this story mode. If you're kind 357 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.480 of into any of these. I haven't played too much of the like the 358 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:42.880 actual head to head multiplayer stuff, but all the characters I've messed around with 359 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:48.880 it's been pretty cool. I like, I like Reptile a lot, I 360 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.519 like I don't like Smoke so much, but like all the the headliners, 361 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.240 sub Zeroon, Scorpion, They've been fun to play with. But I'm just 362 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.440 like pretty impressed overall with this package. I think that some people mentioned that 363 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.799 the latter half of the story kind of loses it. I don't think. 364 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.240 I think I'm kind of getting to that point and I'm still totally on board 365 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.119 with what they're doing. So yeah, I've been pretty happy with it, 366 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.160 and we should be finishing that up next week, so if people want to 367 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.079 tune in to see what that looks like, that'll probably be next Monday ish. 368 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.160 We'll see grub. When I tuned in, you were just getting to 369 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.920 the portion of the story where Megan Fox is introduced. How do you feel 370 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.559 about her performance? And I know Moral Kombat has been doing stunt casting since 371 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.839 like Ronda Rousey, Yeah, I honestly just end up feeling bad for her 372 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.880 because it's clear that she didn't get the direction she needed, and they didn't 373 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.480 really care to pay her the extra money to have her stick around to do 374 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.440 a second or third take is what it really feels like. And so you 375 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:47.960 get this person who has done great roles before come and do something that your 376 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.839 voice acting maybe something that she hasn't done a lot of, and then the 377 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:56.119 result is just this really dead delivery that does sound really out of place, 378 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.559 even for a game that is going for a B movie vibe. Like across 379 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.480 the board that what they're going for, this one still stands out. It's 380 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.920 not as bad as a shithead Ronda Rousey, like that was super bad, 381 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:10.319 but I still like that you're gonna hear it, but whoa, what is 382 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.680 happening there? I will say it's not ruining anything, but like not even 383 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.279 close. It's kind of like, oh man, what was that line read? 384 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:18.559 That's going to be memorable? And it is some of the most memorable 385 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.319 stuff in the game, as she just says these crazy lines with no affectation 386 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:27.440 whatsoever. And I believe Turbo Shan mentioned this while you were streaming yesterday, 387 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.960 but she doesn't. Megan Fox doesn't do any of the combat grunts, right, 388 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.880 That's right, Yes, they got a different, specific professional voice after 389 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:45.759 yes exactly, so all of the yeah so and that stuff is fantastic. 390 00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.559 And then like she'll get done doing the fighting in the in the in the 391 00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.400 cut scene, and then you can tell the lines about the startup and you 392 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.119 could just hear the shift back over to Megan Fox and it's again, it's 393 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.000 it's pretty rough, but I love Megan Fox. Jennifer's Body one of them, 394 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.640 you know, an all time great movie. Uh Man, this is 395 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.839 not I don't think this is really a reflection on her in any way. 396 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.480 I didn't think you were gonna say I love Megan Fox today. Yeah, 397 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.079 I say it every day. That's what I said after doing my woods walk 398 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.880 exactly the entire time. During the woods walk, I repeated to myself out 399 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.440 loud, that's why why people are scared, so scared grumb that doesn't know 400 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.119 it doesn't make sense. Hey, I'm one of the people that enjoyed her 401 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.599 run a new girl, and I'll say it. I'll say I'll be brave 402 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.200 and say it. Uh. I've been playing like a dragon the man who 403 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.000 erased his name. And I had to write this down because I constantly forget 404 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.400 this title because it is seemly long. It reminds me of a like early 405 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:47.640 two thousands panic of the disco song song title but go. I hate describing 406 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.559 a game like this, but this is like the Miles morales of the Yakuza 407 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.440 series that I think may not be the best entry point for someone, but 408 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.440 maybe someone because like it throws you deep to the story. This takes place 409 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:07.640 in between uh like Yakuza Like a Dragon, and then the next game that 410 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:12.119 is coming out, Infinite Wealth. That's right. It basically says what Kirio 411 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:18.680 is doing during us during like not like a Dragon. Yes, and it's 412 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.839 interesting because it throws you back in into the the whole Yakuza world. But 413 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.839 they give Kurrau a bunch of dumb items, like you eventually unlock a drone 414 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.119 that fights with you. So as you're punching dudes beating people up in Camaroach 415 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.839 show, you just have two drones floating around you. And it's not like, 416 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.839 uh, like a combat drone, like an air strike or anything. 417 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:48.559 It is just like a shitty dj DJI style drone, just like Boop and 418 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:55.079 dudes. And then like you get an exploding cigarette after a while that just 419 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.640 acts like a little grenade. But I say it's like a miles morales because 420 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:04.079 it's so condensed. I I'm about five hours into it, but I've been 421 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.880 reading that it is exponentially shorter than a lot of hours. Well, hey, 422 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.720 I might be near the end then shit. Yeah, But I akin 423 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:17.559 this to if you want to try a new type of cuisine, I wouldn't 424 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:18.960 go all the way to the Michelin Star version of it. Like say you 425 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.799 want to go get uh, you want to try crab or lobster. They'll 426 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:27.559 go to like the special seafood place that like smells like seafood and just has 427 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:33.920 people and dungarees and an old man wearing a red beanie that just pulled a 428 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.640 net of dungeoness crab out. Don't do that just yet. Just go get 429 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:42.119 a crab cake at the Red Lobster or something oh something to try it. 430 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.480 Try it out, you know, just just take a little taste. I 431 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.759 still, I still don't think if you were Yaku was so curious though, 432 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.400 and you want to dive in and learn the rich lore of it, I 433 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.480 don't think I can recommend this as an entryway because I think zero does that 434 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.279 really well, oh yeah, Zero is the best one in general. Yes, 435 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.119 the best game in the series. Yeah. And you know, if 436 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.799 you aren't clicking with Yakuza, like a Dragon's turn based combat like this is 437 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.839 this is more of that. I think it's uh, it feels a little 438 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:19.119 bit better. They introduce another fighting style, but man, it's just I 439 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:26.920 love popping back into this world and just encountering all of the dumb side stuff. 440 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.400 And I say dumb, and I don't mean that to be negative any 441 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.559 way, It's like dumb funning. Yeah, and I love like they like 442 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:40.240 a dragon the Yakuza series. They do this so well of balancing like very 443 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:45.000 heavy story beats of Kiriu coming terms with his age and his like morality and 444 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.880 everything he's done in his life, and then afterwards like all right, let's 445 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.759 go play, let's go play majong for a little bit, let's go do 446 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.519 some karaoke, and then you know what we're gonna We're gonna befriend someone at 447 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.640 this karaoke bar. Yeah, and this is the actual story of my life. 448 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.400 These are the things that I do and mostly coming in terms of my 449 00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.799 age, but also a lot of karaoke. Hell oh yeah, I think 450 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.799 Males Moss is a good like touch Point because this it's similar, and like 451 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.839 they've admitted like, hey, this was gonna be DLC. They said specifically, 452 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:18.759 we saw it was gonna be able to do. You'll see, like 453 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.880 we'll just add a little bit extra to it and put it out as its 454 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.519 own thing. We think that's fun, and I like the idea of the 455 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.519 expand alone game. There's a lot of cool things to be done with that. 456 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.440 I do think that usually makes them more accessible, So it's interesting that 457 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.119 they did that and then also made it a very like it's it's not contained 458 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.680 you do, it is connected to every other part of the story, and 459 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.240 you kind of need to know that stuff. So I still might mess around 460 00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:45.759 with it, even though I've kind of only played a bit of Zero and 461 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.680 then a little bit of Like a Dragon, But I might just like, 462 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.079 you know, to test the waters with this, just to see how I'm 463 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.680 feeling about the you know, the gameplay and the characters and all that stuff, 464 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.160 and then watch a, oh, here's what's happened previously, and then 465 00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:01.000 hopefully carry that momentum in and go back play Zero. And I am looking 466 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:06.200 forward to the Infinite Wealth, so maybe could kind of carry that forward as 467 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.480 well. So we'll see. But I'm glad they're doing so many cool things 468 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.200 with this franchise. Yeah, I do think that it's doing expand alone for 469 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.440 this uh for the man who race his name. It kind of does assume 470 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.839 that you already know a lot of the existing systems in the story, so 471 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:30.599 the onboarding process isn't as slow as it normally is with like the proper numbered 472 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.319 Yakuza games where it takes a while to ramp up in everything. Here, 473 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.880 you get into the thick of it very quickly, which I enjoy. Also, 474 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:44.200 man, carry you what a fucking stud that dude Jesus Christ in his 475 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.319 old age with a little salid pepper in his hair. Wow, I let 476 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.640 that meat man beat me up, or I buy him a drink at karaoke. 477 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:58.799 That's just a good night. I just keep remembering every time yuk as 478 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.880 it comes up, like the one game am I traded in? That I 479 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.200 was like, should I have traded that in? Which is uh, the 480 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:08.759 the zombie based Yeah, because a game yeah, which everybody forgets because it's 481 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.920 just like it's like a weird like what It's like a Marvel what if situation 482 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.680 where it's like, hey, well, what happened if the Undead did come 483 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.440 down to Kamoracho. You know, it's just like, I don't know if 484 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.640 it's good. It's probably not very good. It's just I was I think 485 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.599 people don't necessarily like it. But for the longest time, I was under 486 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.400 the impression that was just Yakuza six, and I'm like, that's a weird 487 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:34.400 series, all right, cool, It's like, oh no, then it's 488 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.720 a guide in of its own. So but yeah, I think people in 489 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.279 general don't love it. But I still think I just exists exactly. Yes, 490 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.200 it's the thing that's like I can't I can't own. The only games 491 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.960 I still keep are ones that are like not on any marketplace, that are 492 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.200 going to be a pain in the ass to track down. So it's like, 493 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:52.920 yeah, like I like, I have Remember Me, and I'm not 494 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:57.519 going to play Remember Me ever again, but I have it because I don't 495 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.680 know if I it's probably somewhere, but like, you know, that's don't 496 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.559 nod remember, don't nod. Yeah, we were just talking about that. 497 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.559 We were just talking about that. I think you grub brings up don't nud 498 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.239 a lot. What's on the list right here? Your son? Yeah, 499 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.119 yeah, yeah, but we're not going to talk about that real right. 500 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.679 Yeah, wait your turn, Yeah, come on, come on, I'm 501 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.760 sorry, oh the Humanity. Come on, you're just piling in here, 502 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.760 just stumbling all over each other with these failed seguys grub because you've been playing 503 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:30.039 Humanity, that's right. Uh. Yes. So we did BombCast Revengeance last 504 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:31.679 week, and I asked, hey, what's a game from this year that 505 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.119 you wish people would play before we talk about Game of the Year. I 506 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.320 know that we talked about that a couple of days ago, but I forgot 507 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.760 again that Humanity came out this year. Yes, and so Lucy said Humanity. 508 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.599 I'm like, oh, that's the one I was trying to think of. 509 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.000 So I got that loaded on the Steam deck and I've been playing Humanity, 510 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.400 and boy, that game rules. That's a really fun game. I 511 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.119 think I would describe it as like the way that like Pitcross three D is 512 00:34:53.159 --> 00:35:00.159 to Pitcross. I think Humanity probably is the lemmings, but I just like 513 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.079 the esthetic that they're going for of these this just huge horde of human beings 514 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.440 coming out of a portal and then falling off a cliff. It's the kind 515 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.559 of thing where I'm like, this is just a good visual to the point 516 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.719 where I'm going to show this to my kid. I know immediately she's gonna 517 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.920 laugh. And I showed her and she cracked up because these people are just 518 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.599 falling she oh you got laughing as a response from a shown yes, exactly, 519 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.880 yet essential dread. I got who are these people? Where are they 520 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.440 going? Where are all their mommies and daddies, And why don't they have 521 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.440 faces? She's four, she doesn't care if people don't have faces yet. 522 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.199 So we're still good. There. You got in right before it all gets 523 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.679 real. Okay, so keep going while you can. Actually, I think 524 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.920 my kids are just broke because I bet the six year old it would find 525 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.599 all this funny. I haven't shown her yet, but yes, I think 526 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.519 they love people falling down. They just do. If it wasn't for that 527 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.400 dog, there would be therapy involved, I guarantee you. Uh so, 528 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:55.840 yeah, I think so. The game is you are these people are coming 529 00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:01.559 out of portal. You are this white light version of a shebu in you 530 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.920 who's the name, I can't say, and you set down these little markers 531 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.920 on the ground telling them where to go or to jump or whatever. And 532 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.280 it's like it sounds pretty simple, it gets pretty complicated, but overall it 533 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.480 actually is like, no, you understand what you need to do. Get 534 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.039 these people to the exit, and you need to get a certain mass to 535 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.280 the exit. And then throughout the level there's these goldies and these are like 536 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.920 these big golden statues, and you need to get the horde of people to 537 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.360 go through the goldies to convince them to walk with you and get them to 538 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.519 the exit. And those are like the bonus objectives. And really what it 539 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:39.159 comes down to is it's just really satisfying to have these intersecting lines of this 540 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:44.280 conga line of people like, oh, from over here, they're walking just 541 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.079 straight, and then from this other side they're doing this long jump, and 542 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.199 I gave them like this special bonus so that they do an even longer, 543 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.679 floatier version of the long jump, and so they're jumping over the entire level 544 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.639 over this people that they're walking down here, and then up here I have 545 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.000 them like falling down, and I have them falling down real slowly, so 546 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.320 they're hitting the platform perfectly and walking right into the exit, and it just 547 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.599 looks really cool. It feels really satisfying to the point where like Oh yeah, 548 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.840 I think I'm liking this game, and then every time I turn on 549 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.559 the steam deck to play something, I had it left on from last time, 550 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.559 like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna keep playing this, And that's 551 00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.280 been the last couple of days. So yeah, I'm just really into it 552 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.280 and I'm glad I've gone back to it cause it's great. It's you know, 553 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.880 it's a busy year, a lot of good games, but it's like 554 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.320 on the bubble of like my top ten when I kind of think about it 555 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.079 in those terms and just really enjoying it. God, another game I have 556 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.760 to check out. Thanks a lot Grub. Yeah, you're welcome. It's 557 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.119 good. It was really and I think it's still on. Uh didn't you 558 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.000 say it was on like PlayStation Plus or something, right, it might be 559 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.800 on PlayStation I think I PlayStation V game. Yeah, I think you canceled 560 00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.079 that. I think I can man that. Yeah. Uh, Nathan, 561 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.239 Chris, anything you've been playing you want to chat about. I mean, 562 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.360 I know Storry website's a lot to do, but any games you got going 563 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.360 on underneath that? And for me, oh wait, actually, Chris, 564 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.760 because you've been working on a blog for the site that is based around a 565 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.800 game that you've been playing a lot of. I don't even know if you 566 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.400 can call it a blog anymore. I think it's just a feature at this 567 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.320 point. It's like really fucking long. It's really long. I've been playing 568 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:16.880 After Life. Oh, the nineteen ninety six LucasArts, Heaven and Hell Simulator. 569 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:21.760 Oh well, okay, hell yeah. That came with everybody's like that 570 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:23.280 that, you know, that five pack where it was like Sam and Max, 571 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.360 right, you know there are two of them. I think there was 572 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.159 one that was like the older games and one was the newer one. This 573 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.199 is the Day of the Tentacle one. Here's the thing about After Life, 574 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.760 like three people have beaten that game, and now four because I have, 575 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.599 Hell yeah, because it's one of the most confusing games in history in a 576 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.679 way that I find so funny. Because here's the thing. Okay, sim 577 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.280 City two thousand comes out. I'll make this very very much faster. Sin 578 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.920 City two thousand and two thousand comes out. Everyone knows how to play sim 579 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:57.039 City two thousand. You put a bunch of three by threes down, you 580 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.599 put a subway system down, electricity, YadA YadA. It's pretty self explanatory. 581 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.719 What if you had to play two games of SimCity at the same time 582 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:14.039 and you had to design them in opposite ways ways of efficiency, and also 583 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.239 there's like twenty other mechanics. And also you're playing a game of sim Earth, 584 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:23.920 but there's seven different zones instead of three for the seven deadly sins and 585 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:30.599 heavenly virtues of course, and then a generically, and you have an impact 586 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.760 on how belief structures happen, so you can influence the sins in Okay, 587 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.320 there's a bunch of stuff. Like the real thing was they didn't tell you 588 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.199 that two by two structures are more efficient than three by three structures, which 589 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.119 nobody would have considered unless they did the math. Because every time you're in 590 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.199 you're in SimCity, you're like, I'll make three by threes. I'll make 591 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.840 three by threes. Every city building game is like that. But yeah, 592 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.880 it's just full of puns. Every one of the sins and tortures, sins 593 00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:00.960 and punishments and rewards are all done really funny. Like there's one that's just 594 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.159 and they have these like weird like art styles where they're all aliens. One 595 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.239 of them is literally just there's an itch you can't get and The illustration is 596 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:15.039 these like weird aliens who are not humans. They're called EMBO's ethically mature biological 597 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.079 organisms that that it's just them in like a straight jacket with like boxing gloves 598 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.719 on, trying to get to their back. There's one that's like what do 599 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.719 you call it? Like, uh A, just a nice afternoon. It's 600 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.239 like, oh yeah, remember when you were six there was the nice Afternoon? 601 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:36.000 And like I've actually reached out to the designer who designed Samon Mix and 602 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.079 it's like nobody has talked about this game. I really want to get art 603 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.679 some asking questions. But I have been going insane trying to beat this game, 604 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.000 and I got. I got the the end state, which are called 605 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:52.440 love domes and omni bulges, which are basically the equivalent of what do you 606 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.559 call them? Arcologies are in some city. Yeah, and when you beat, 607 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.400 when you you that's when you know, you beat some city two thousand, 608 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.880 you got ourcologies. It's it's it's it's easy from there on. Yeah, 609 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.800 but yeah, no, it's it's a it's a really funny game. 610 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:08.800 It's mechanically very funny too, because like you know, like if you influence 611 00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.280 piece instead of what wrath, like the conflict rate on your planet goes down 612 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.719 and so there's fewer deaths. You can actually influence whether or not people believe 613 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:22.320 in reincarnation, which actually increases your population in different ways. Like oh wow, 614 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.159 there's like, you know, just entire ways that this game is doing 615 00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:34.000 things that are like mechanically because it's basically like a Bahai simulator, like everyone 616 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.840 believes what they get, so if you believe in hell, you only go 617 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.760 into Hell. So it's it's like a weirdly universalist take which is just that, 618 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.920 like it's it's Dante's Inferno done in sim City two thousand style, but 619 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.679 also like weirdly ba highest and self deterministic, and also very funny. It's 620 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.199 one of the funniest games I've ever I've ever seen. Yeah, this is 621 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.800 I'm looking at it. This is after I'm going to Here's the thing. 622 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:04.239 There is one fact for this game, and is from n on game Facts, 623 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.519 and uh, it is not the most efficient way to beat the game. 624 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.239 The most efficient way to beat the game is one post on the game 625 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.679 facts forum from fourteen years later where someone's like, hey, I found a 626 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.400 slightly better way to do that, and I can't contact the guy who did 627 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:23.760 the original fact so I'm just gonna post it. It's like it's like a 628 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.360 fucking Usenet group with like an edu is like the guy who wrote it incredible. 629 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:34.519 It's six dollars on Steam and gog uh oh, it's like readily available. 630 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.960 Okay, I'm getting Although it is just a doss box front end. 631 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:43.039 It's like you can if you need to get higher than like one thousand by 632 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.679 whatever resolution, you can just change the I and I file. Although I 633 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.400 think it's sound. There's four games named afterlife. I'm gonna go the one 634 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.079 with the busiest logo here. Yep, that was right. Okay, there 635 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.199 we go, and you get what is it? Area good. Halo and 636 00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:00.239 Jasper Wormwood are your uh are your angel and demon and there you're like, 637 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.559 you can't do this. You know, they're your advisors and they're fully voiced 638 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.679 and they're really funny. But I'm writing this piece so that people know how 639 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.599 to play this game because it is oh yeah, and if you go bankrupt, 640 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.360 the most important thing, you are not God and it's not a god 641 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.320 game. As a result, you are a demiurge, which, if you 642 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:24.039 know neoplatonism or a Gnosticism is a distinct concept. It's not God. It's 643 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:29.840 just the guy who's like Heaven's mayor, and so you have so you have 644 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:30.880 stakes because if you're it's in a god game. It's like, you know, 645 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.719 omnipotence, it's the problem get mechanically with omnipotence. And so literally you 646 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.400 if you the powers that be they're called can just like say, oh, 647 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.800 you're bankrupt, and they send four surfers on a on a on a on 648 00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.800 a wave of lava, the four Surfers of the Apocalypto to come and like 649 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.320 ride your your your like a wave of lava through your afterlife. And that's 650 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.639 just like the like you fucked up your bankrupt enjoy and one of them, 651 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.480 Patrick Swayze, one of these surfers them, No, there, it's death 652 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.039 It's the four it's the four Horsemen. It's just they're on they're on boogie 653 00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.360 boards instead, because it's developed by a guy in California in like nineteen ninety 654 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.440 six, and uh and yeah, if you use too many cheats, the 655 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:16.000 death Star comes out and destroys your your afterlife, the actual the actual well, 656 00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.079 yes, Lucas, Yeah, they had they had the right to it, 657 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.440 it says, it says, if you use the money too too much, 658 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:23.400 says, I hear it feel of disturbance in the force, and then 659 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:30.599 yeah, it just starts nuking everything. This is incredible, man. But 660 00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.000 the thing about it is, I think part of the reason why people haven't 661 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.760 played it is that you could only play it as of like six years ago, 662 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.039 because like you'd need doass box because like the thing about the scum games, 663 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.599 part of their appeal is that like you could use scum VM. Scum 664 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.159 games, s gum games forever built. Yes, were built to be cross 665 00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.719 platform, you know what I mean. They were built to be done it. 666 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.320 So like scum VM was this emulator that would just like work on anything. 667 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.440 You could like get it working on a Dreamcast perfectly, Sam and Max, 668 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.400 you know what I mean. And like, yeah, this was not 669 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.559 because they had to specially roll it. And and the art's fucking weird. 670 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.199 It's all these like strange like pig nosed humanoid creatures. It kind of looks 671 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:15.400 like odd World. Yeah, and uh yeah, it's a fucking funny game. 672 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:15.960 Other than that, I'm playing Allen Wick, which is like, I 673 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.639 think my game of the year. It's got another one. Man, I've 674 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.280 got one person on my friends list here who on Steam who's playing any games. 675 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:28.760 And that person's name is Chris Person and he's played twenty hours so far. 676 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.480 So all right, and that's that's doable. When this when this feature 677 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.519 comes out, I'm gonna read it and then we'll play it. That sounds 678 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.119 like a good time. I would love to You're gonna start a trend. 679 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:38.639 Yeah, right, you're gonna bring it back. Also, wait, I 680 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.239 want to quickly make a brief aside because I've been following chat and a thing 681 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.800 that I kind of thought would happened happened, which is some people got confused 682 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.920 and they're like, oh yeah, the name of the website that they're that 683 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.400 they just started is Afterlife. No, it's like, oh wow, that 684 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.760 crossed my mind. Aftermath dot site. Yes. Yes, people who are 685 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.400 like trying to get everyone else to go to our I appreciate it. I 686 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.360 put it in a chat right now. Yeah, Nathan, what have you 687 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.840 been playing if anything? Yeah, So, I, in the past like 688 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.119 month or so, have become like a hardcore cyberpunk convert, which I never 689 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.480 thought I would because I played that game in twenty twenty and bounced off it 690 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.519 pretty hard. Like I put like I don't know, twenty twenty five hours 691 00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.159 into it that year, and like the glitches weren't even that bad for me. 692 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.639 I just you know it, it was just just an okay game. 693 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:29.800 It was just an okay game. It was fine mechanically, it was just 694 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.199 not really doing anything. But I tried to like stealth it and just didn't 695 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:35.599 have much fun. It was like very rudimentary in that regard. It wasn't 696 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.480 really that interesting. And then also like a big thing for me is I 697 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.880 think like I went into it wanting this more coherent world and story, and 698 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:49.000 like when all the side quests felt so tonally different and so like not really 699 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.400 in service of any particular idea or message, I was just like put off 700 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.639 by that. And so then like I returned to it this year because of 701 00:46:54.639 --> 00:47:00.840 Phantom Liberty and like just kind of threw out all of those expects and just 702 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.440 play it on its own terms and like, oh, this game rules. 703 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.159 It's actually like, you know, very ambitious, very well put together. 704 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:12.199 I love like the because I had i'd like been playing Starfield for a little 705 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.760 bit and didn't really like that very much, and like going to Cyberpunk where 706 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.079 they have these like characters who like move and talk to you and like you 707 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.480 can sort of move around them or sit next to them or whatever else, 708 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.800 and like it just feels very alive. It was like this revelation to me. 709 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.760 I was like, Wow, this game just like a system. Yeah, 710 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.119 well yeah it has. And then they put so much thought into how 711 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.559 it functions, how you as the player can orient yourself around it and both 712 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.360 like watch a cut scene play out, but also feel like you were involved 713 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:42.679 in it, like you were actually physically present. And then also just yeah, 714 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.599 like you know, some of the side quests or whatever others are really 715 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.000 fun and interesting and cool. Some of the characters or whatever others are great, 716 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.719 Like you know, it has you know, some peaks and valleys to 717 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.960 it, but like overall, it's one of those games where like I'm trying 718 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.239 to savor it now. I'm like, I've finished a lot of the side 719 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:00.719 quests. I can tell that like the games sort of being like, okay, 720 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.679 you you should move into the main quest and kind of wrap things up, 721 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:05.679 and I'm like, but I don't want to. Is this is this 722 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.880 the base game that you're playing? Okay? Saving Fantom Liberty for when I've 723 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.159 already gotten one of the endings. I've heard that's the better way to do 724 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.199 it, because I guess like the Phantom Liberty ending cuts out a lot of 725 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:21.880 characters and sort of content from you know, the main game, like it 726 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.039 doesn't really touch on them as much. So I don't I don't want to 727 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.840 get that ending first because I want something that's more true to like a main 728 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.400 gameplay through. But yeah, that's that's what I ended up doing when I 729 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.320 when I was playing Fantdom Liberty is I just took my save from beating the 730 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.960 game took it into Fantom Liberty. And that's a perfectly okay way to do 731 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.679 that. I know. They like first they were like, hey, just 732 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.679 start a new game in Phantom Liberty. I'm like, and I'll just do 733 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.559 it this way, And it's worked out perfectly fine so far. They've done 734 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.239 a really good job in that game of integrating edge Runners, not just like 735 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.480 the lore whatever, but but like what I mean is like melee builds feel 736 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.079 good in that game now, and they feel like how they they look in 737 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.239 edge Runners, like it feel when you actually something in that game with a 738 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:05.480 melee build, like you just you go psycho mode. You like, jump 739 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.440 off your motorcycle, kill everyone with the katana, then jump back on the 740 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.199 motorcycle. Like that is anime. Cyberpunk is just anime. Yeah, at 741 00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.440 its best. It's just the reason there's a reason why Japan was so good 742 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.599 at and why so many Americans were bad is because they were just doing anime. 743 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.679 They were doing the mex stuff, and that's what it gets. And 744 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.920 they had They've always had this in them. That's the frustrating thing about it. 745 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:30.320 The frustrating thing about any time you see like a big game like Starfield 746 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.280 or one of the Follout games is like you're like, man, I know, 747 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.320 you got like five guys in there that are all writing the fun side 748 00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.159 quest, and if you could just make it all the fun side quest, 749 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:43.039 that would be good. And they did that exactly once and it's called Fallout 750 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.360 New Vegas, right exactly. Yes, Yeah, I mean speaking of them, 751 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.719 the like the the melee combat though, like yeah, I've been playing 752 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.719 like a samurai like sword build just like straightforward and like really cool. Yeah, 753 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.159 it's incredibly cool. It feels really good. The only thing that I 754 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.480 had to acclimate to is again because they put this level of d tail into 755 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.719 the world, and because the world feels so lived in, you know, 756 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.760 like I go on these murder spreez and I'm like, I don't know if 757 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.559 I feel good about any of this. Like I know your character is supposed 758 00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.800 to be kind of amoral, but it can be hard to gel sometimes, 759 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.360 like the compassion with which they are able to approach certain situations and then like, 760 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.039 oh yeah, I also just killed fifty dudes, and like, you 761 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.760 know, that's true of a lot of video games, but I feel like 762 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:27.159 in this one that tension never quite dissipates, and like, you know, 763 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.840 the game even used to have like more non lethal options, Like now, 764 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.000 even if you like this is the weirdest thing if you like stealth choke somebody 765 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.599 out, and then if you put them in a bin, putting them in 766 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.960 the bin is fatal. It even says that as a pop up, like 767 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.000 when you hover over a bin you can put somebody into it's like the lethal 768 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.079 It's like, what, yeah, just them in the trash. I do 769 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.840 wonder I just wonder why they emphasized that stuff, and it was I think 770 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.360 maybe they think just killing people's more fun, and I think I made that 771 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.000 that choice. But Yeah, because they also have like an ocular implant you 772 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.760 could get where all of your melee hits would be non lethal. They just 773 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:02.800 took that out entirely. It's not the game anymore. Yeah. Yeah, 774 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:06.239 I think that it was their kind of like way of saying that this was 775 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.559 always a half based, half baked system on their part, right, like, 776 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.840 yeah, we you know, there's just not room for us to really 777 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.639 like do this the way we wanted to, you know. I hope that 778 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.159 that shows up more in like Cyberpunk twenty seventies eight or whatever they want to 779 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.360 call it. Yeah, I think they they came to the realization that they 780 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.320 weren't making the game where you could play any way you want and do it 781 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.000 anyway. We're like, no, they have some things that are really fun 782 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.639 and lean into those, and within those, within the builds you have, 783 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.360 you have a lot of choice about how to how to approach any confrontation with 784 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.199 enemies. But beyond that, they don't need to be trying a million other 785 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.320 things outside of those core competencies. And that's really kind of where two point 786 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.800 zero got this game. And I've been enjoying it when I've gone back to 787 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:52.239 it a bunch fantastic, fantastic, God. I just feel like I have 788 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.800 to climb up this mountain before we get to Game of the year. Speaking 789 00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.360 about climbing a mountain, I want you to pronounce this name, the name 790 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.280 of the Okay, okay, cool, cool, there you go. Yeah, 791 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.079 no problem, better than I thought you do. Good? Yeah, 792 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.599 uh yeah, you saw. It is a mountain climbing game. It's you 793 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.280 play as a little fella who doesn't talk a lot, and he's got a 794 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.159 rope and he's got some of those things you put with those pegs there you 795 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.440 put me into their mountains. Yeah, and then yeah Paton, Yes, 796 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:28.360 and you got a small handful of those, and he's got hands that get 797 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.559 tired if you try to climb for too long. So you got to get 798 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:35.079 up to that next rest point so you can fully rest and recover. It's 799 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.960 we played a bit of this over the steam nextst over the summer. It's 800 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:42.519 it's still that game. There is a little bit extra that wasn't in there, 801 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.639 like as I'm redoing some of these sections where now you could do this 802 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.000 sort of call to nature like this like actual like literal call from your character, 803 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:53.880 and there are some elements in the stage that will grow and overtake certain 804 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.760 elements, and now you can climb on those. Uh. And those could 805 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.480 either act as shortcuts to go back down and get back up, or they 806 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:02.639 actually are like the gates to unlock the next part so you can climb even 807 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.599 higher. But you know, this is a Dopte Nod game. This is 808 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:09.400 a studio I've I've always kind of admired from, mostly from a distance. 809 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.800 I've had some some good experience with some of their games, usually not making 810 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.519 stuff that I'm like running to go play, but I have no issue with 811 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:17.840 them. I'm like, oh, I could see from a distance they're doing 812 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.360 some cool stuff. So for them to make a game that feels very much 813 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.920 like my shit and for it to hit really well is very exciting. I 814 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:29.400 just like moving characters around three D space is having to figure out how to 815 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.760 get them from point A to point B and have a game be very confident 816 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.000 in its setting and then its visuals and in its stylings to be like, 817 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.039 this is just a cool place to spend time in. And so you'll get 818 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:44.280 to these segments where all right, I am up on this next ledge. 819 00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:45.840 We are gonna, we're gonna, we are gonna take a second, go 820 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.239 look at this thing, and and and then the game's gonna be like, 821 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.440 no, We're gonna really look at stuff. And then it takes camera control 822 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.039 away from you and just starts looking at these little vignettes of the world. 823 00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:01.840 And it's really pretty and moving and bordering on emotional because it's like this is 824 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:06.760 a place that was once lived in, now mostly abandoned. You could tell. 825 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.920 That's like you know, the mountainside villages that you know that you might 826 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.280 recognize from around the world. It's like this used to be a place that 827 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.639 people were in what happened here? And I think I'm slowly discovering maybe what 828 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:20.960 happened here. But for the most part, I'm just enjoying the ascension of 829 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.360 going up this mountain. And it's it's very good at that It's got really 830 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.400 good physics. And for me, like we talked about, games is art 831 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.920 a lot, and because we're idiots and we I think we fall into this 832 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.840 trap of that means telling stories, that means being narratives, and and for 833 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:39.199 me, I've always been like, ah, yeah, I get that, 834 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:45.199 but like games are systems and they so you like, you know, in 835 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:47.480 the same way, like jazz doesn't have to have to tell a story. 836 00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.039 Video games don't have to tell a story, even though this one is. 837 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.079 Really what I'm looking for is something that can help me play with my interaction 838 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.280 with the world. Like I live on Earth, I have to deal with 839 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.599 the systems of grab and physics constantly, So give me a space that can 840 00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.280 be the poetic version of that. And this game is very much doing exactly 841 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.239 that, and it clicks with me really hard. So just yeah, I'm 842 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.679 a big fan of it so far. I don't think it's necessarily going to 843 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.239 be for everybody, but I believe it's on game Pass, so so it's 844 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.559 probably worth checking out at the very least. Uh, going off that real 845 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:25.199 quick grub as games is art and not necessarily the narrative side of that argument. 846 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.679 I think something like Tony Hawk is art just in the way that like 847 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:35.320 the systems and it feels it's gonna It feels silly to say this, but 848 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.400 it it's like you're playing an instrument almost right, Like oh, you're you're 849 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.679 firing off commands and like you know what you're doing, and it is the 850 00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.679 jazz of skateboarding. It's the jazz. Yeah, there you go. Well, 851 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.760 I mean that's wonder like. It's like you're you are playing with these 852 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:53.519 other great players, and the players being the developers setting up this this orchestra 853 00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:58.599 of a game, and they the space open for you to slot in and 854 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.079 decide. All right, now here's how I'm gonna play along with them, 855 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.119 And so it's a good feeling. Sorry, cut you off, Nathan. 856 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.760 What we're you gonna say? I was just gonna say, this's a so 857 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.599 pithy in comparison that the soundtrack for Tony Hawk is the pop punk of skateboarding. 858 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.519 Oh man, uh, Jeff Becklar, have you been playing anything? 859 00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.679 You want to talk? Okay, just all just all day, every day. 860 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.760 I'm not done yet. I don't know why I'm not done yet. 861 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.840 I think I'm just really taking my time, getting all up in those crevices 862 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:37.559 of Valiwate two, trying to get my wife to stay awake and watch it. 863 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:39.840 She keeps falling asleep on the couch and she's like, wake me up 864 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:44.239 for the cutscenes and all the narrow I'm like, every part of this is 865 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:46.440 narrative. This is all happening. Now. You have to you have to 866 00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:52.039 see me open all of these lockers and see what kind of batteries are in 867 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.000 there. You have to watch everything. It's Duristel again look at this, 868 00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:59.320 and she's like, she's super into it, but like, also I choose 869 00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:01.480 to play it too late for her, I think, but no, I'm 870 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.519 very much in love with this and that's really all I'm playing. I got 871 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.719 back into Spider Man two as well, because I talked my kid into a 872 00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:13.760 sitting shotgun and not being scared that Craven's gonna stab another scientist. And then 873 00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:22.519 it happened. There's a scene in that game where you have to where you 874 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.039 feed a tiger a drugged piece of meat, and he did. He was 875 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.800 just like closing his eye. He was just like, they're gonna I'm like, 876 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.440 dude, do you really think this game is gonna let a tiger eat 877 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.920 Spider Man? And that just didn't resonate with him. I think he still 878 00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:43.400 thought it was a viable option for the way this is gonna go. So 879 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:45.800 we're making our way through it. He's not playing Allen Mike though, for 880 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.719 sure. Based on based on the things that you've said about your kid's reaction 881 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.760 to the various games you've played, how how old is your child that's for 882 00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:58.840 you to guess. They what do you think? Uh? I mean, 883 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.480 I could guess anywhere. Betwe being like seven and eighteenager. Yeah, no, 884 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:07.480 he's eight. So you're you're your window? Yeah yeah, I mean 885 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:12.840 are you is here? Is? Are they doing? Okay? Yeah? 886 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:17.519 Like he absolutely loves video games. He just he loves Yeah, he just 887 00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.679 loves Spider Man. And then he saw Craven stab a man in the neck 888 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.039 with his syringe with green liquid in it, and he was just like, 889 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:30.159 well, something happened in real world. Yeah, and now he's just like, 890 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.079 I need you to go into the bathroom first that because it's entirely possible 891 00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.360 craving in there. I'm like, na, you know, I mean, 892 00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.679 look, Craven uses the bathroom too, That's right exactly, he said, 893 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:45.599 Dad, Craven also ships. Therefore, I am terrified. Do you guys 894 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:52.159 think that Davids was what's what we call Jeff's kid should watch Jaws? Do 895 00:58:52.199 --> 00:59:00.400 you think he's almost watching Jaws? Eight eight? Yes? Yeah, But 896 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.079 here's why. Here's why, along you know, here's why. Here's why 897 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:08.960 because I grew up. When I grew up, that is, they just 898 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:14.280 showed they just showed you terminator and aliens when you were they showed you a 899 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.760 good movie. They showed you a good albeit violent movie, and it was 900 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:20.920 like a little hidden treat thing that you've gotten and it's like, okay, 901 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.840 but this has taste. And that's why there were action figures of it because 902 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:29.760 they didn't have and I know this because they didn't have like emotionally stunted adults 903 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.880 that would buy those yet like to the degree that they could do it. 904 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.760 That's why they were alien figurines, is because they were like children are watching 905 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.800 these or at least see them at the video store and would like to have 906 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.760 them. And uh, I don't know. I'm not a parente and do 907 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.840 whatever you want. It's just here's more selfishly annoying about that, Chris. 908 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:51.440 We have another member of this website who also argues that an eight year old 909 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:55.199 should watch Jaws, but you have such a lucid argument for it, whereas 910 00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:59.280 he is just like, I don't know what anything is. We should show 911 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.519 hard baby. So I think I think Et is a scarier movie to me 912 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.920 for some reason, Like I mean that's the whole part where the whole part 913 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.679 where like he finds Et and like he's washing the dishes and then you just 914 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.000 hear him and it sounds like a like a pig screaming, Like it's just 915 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:20.840 it's a really it's a really troubling movie that I don't like, and but 916 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.440 out I respect because it's so troubling. Surely right, Well, yeah, 917 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:27.360 I was gonna say. I feel like the movies that did a number on 918 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:29.960 me when I was a kid were not the ones that were like overtly violent 919 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.280 or whatever. It was the existentially upsetting one. Yes, there was somebody 920 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:37.960 like The Matrix messed me up when it like first came out. How long 921 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.239 were you when you saw the Matrix? So I never saw it. I 922 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:45.360 just heard of the concept and it sucked me up. It was really religious 923 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.880 as a kid, and so like then it introduced this notion of like what 924 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.920 if the world isn't real? What if all these things aren't really? What 925 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:53.719 if there's no God? And I was like, damn, what if there 926 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:58.960 is no God? And also existence is fake? And so like that I 927 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.119 ruminated on that, like just got super depressed, had a lot of trouble 928 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:07.519 for like two years. Oh my god. Yes, there's also like this 929 01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.639 thing where you'll see something that is like technically PG, you know what I 930 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:15.039 mean, Like on paper, nominally this is a PG thing and it just 931 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.880 includes such a troubling scene that like, well, we could show this to 932 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.840 a child, it's fine. And the example that my girlfriend came up last 933 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.920 night was the talking toilet from Look who's talking that? Yeah, evidently the 934 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:31.000 toilet is who's talking? Yes it is. It's like give me that pepe 935 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:37.840 right, Yeah, it's mellow Brooks as like like a demon toilet going and 936 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:40.000 it's just like it's it's so go back and watching You're like, wow, 937 01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.039 I need to go back and watch that. It's really cool. It's but 938 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.360 it's never yeah it is, and like it always was like practical stuff. 939 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.559 I think like Killer Clowns from out of Space did a number on me when 940 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.119 I was a kid. That is something you shouldn't show to a kid. 941 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.239 But like, yeah, I don't know, Jaws is nice. It's my 942 01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:00.719 dad likes to fuck around and uh, when my nieces and nephews were visiting 943 01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.440 and they were very young, he put killer clowns knowing that they kept coming 944 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.639 out of their bed the bedroom that they were sleeping in and standing up on 945 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.400 like the you know, the banish or whatever. The hell, it is 946 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.119 the upstorres floor, and they could look down and see the TV. And 947 01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:16.159 they kept just sneaking out and watching Killer clowns. And my dad got very 948 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:21.719 yelled at by his daughter in law. Yeah, it was very mad four 949 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:24.480 weeks dealing with the trauma that that movie. Because I will say, I 950 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.920 will say, if you show them, if you show them Jaws, just 951 01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.840 just also be like, take out some statistics about sharks and being like they 952 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.079 don't hurt people. They just like literally never had they Yeah, like a 953 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:37.280 handful of times, you know what I mean, Like it's almost an anomaly. 954 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:38.960 They don't mean to do it. That's fine, don't worry about it. 955 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.199 In fact, they get killed a lot, and they probably shouldn't because 956 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:45.840 we need something that kills jellyfish the way. Chris, I love this idea 957 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:58.400 that children would be convinced by statistics like adults notorious statistics, but children definitely 958 01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:06.079 a love Facts about Animals magazine. That's just a dinosaur ultimately, and they'll 959 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.760 love they love dinosaurs and be like no, they're actually like you don't have 960 01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:12.599 to just just don't worry about it. This is why Pokemon is so popular. 961 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:16.320 So many like little animal facts that they can just glom onto. That 962 01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:22.039 was a bunch of magnets. I love Chris. I love the way you 963 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:25.400 you speak about everything, like you're really resonating with me on a way I 964 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:31.800 was unexpecting. Fan out a little bit here. You cannot though, reason 965 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.079 statistically with a child because I, like Grub said, I I've tried to 966 01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:42.000 do it so many times, like it's just there's something that doesn't talk about 967 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:47.000 exactly No, but what but what is amazing? Is like uh, I've 968 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:52.760 also think we've stumbled across a really interesting topic of like perfectly where the NPA 969 01:03:52.880 --> 01:04:00.800 was like totally totally cool with releasing a PG thing, and inside that that 970 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:04.920 work contained the most deeply troubling thing. I think we're very much onto something 971 01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:10.079 for me. I think it might have been Raiders of the Lost Arc Isn't 972 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:14.199 that isn't the one that invented PG thirteen? Yeah, because it didn't exist. 973 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.239 Oh, you're right. I think it was eighty one maybe or like 974 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.719 something eighty five maybe around maybe in the eighties. I want to say, 975 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:24.079 yeah, maybe that was the one that went thirteen, because as soon as 976 01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:29.599 you see that dude's face melt eighty eighty four Temple of Doom God, So 977 01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:35.199 that means Raiders was PG, yes, which is parental, It meant pally, 978 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:41.360 but PG, I mean PG. I don't know, Like that end 979 01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.679 scene where my man's faces just melted, you're gonna say it's okay. If 980 01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.760 God does it though, like God's making the faces melt, then it's just 981 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.599 a okay. I mean, I know they were Nazis, but fuck man, 982 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:56.320 that's like rough the encounter argument. We should bring back. We should 983 01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:00.159 bring that element back to PG movies. There should be more Nazis. His 984 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.079 faces are melting, and I think I think it's it's it's it's practical, 985 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.360 you know, you gotta you gotta make it so that like, you know, 986 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.079 if something gross happens, you actually did that. Like I don't know, 987 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.159 it's just if only if only, because it's just like that, that's 988 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.639 that's good, hard hard work. Yes, I agree. I I had 989 01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:21.320 to go. I did do a lot of like filmmaking one on one with 990 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:25.320 my child where I'm just like, this is why it's scary, and we 991 01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.679 would like record things on my phone and be like see no one, it 992 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.440 doesn't look like anyone's here, but you and I are here we're in this 993 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.880 room making this movie is melting. This face is in your time really did 994 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:43.239 resonate for like four hours, folling my child, showing my child irreversible or 995 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.639 no, no, what is it? What's the movie with the guy from 996 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:54.159 Omen three and Sam Neil uh oh? Event Horizon? No? No, 997 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:59.280 no, the one from the eighties r the one the one where where he's 998 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:01.559 like in Germany he is a spy. Anyway, that joke doesn't work anymore. 999 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:05.840 Sorry, Okay, yeah's sorry. Event Horizon. Did that scare you 1000 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:09.639 because of the religion thing? Because that's what Dan said. He was in 1001 01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:13.920 Catholic school, so all the Catholic roman chanting at the end of the movie 1002 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.960 really scared him for a very long time. I only watched that movie as 1003 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.039 an adult, and the part that really sticks with me is the bit where 1004 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:24.920 like the guy flies out into the openness of space and it's like eyeballs pop 1005 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.800 out that that scene is striking. Yeah, Otherwise, I mean it is 1006 01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.360 like another existentially terrifying movie. People go off into like some part of space, 1007 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.639 come back ever of irrevocably. That's how you say that word changed by 1008 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:42.880 like the horrors that they've witnessed and potentially been like possessed by. Like you 1009 01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.280 know, it's a sick concept executed in this way that I think at the 1010 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.320 time people didn't really like. But ah, it's kind of cheesy, but 1011 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.159 you go back to it and it's like, no, this is this is 1012 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:55.199 wild. This movie is bonkers all the way through. I you know, 1013 01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:59.800 we've touched on this with PG movies and having a very dark element and just 1014 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:05.079 have an odd attachment to our things here. But the Original Toy story and 1015 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.760 the Brave Little Toaster, I think it fucked me up in such a way 1016 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.800 where I have a weird attachment to my electronics where it's like, remember, 1017 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.239 I don't I don't want you to go. There is a home fork k 1018 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:23.320 scan of the Brave Little Toaster that somebody did because a lot of people I 1019 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:26.360 won't I want to take up too much time with this, but like there 1020 01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.360 is like this there is probably because they posted about it. It's like yeah, 1021 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.280 yeah, So basically, like you know, as with most like preservation 1022 01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.360 stuff, I do a lot of preservation stuff for tapes and laser discs, 1023 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:40.880 but like the real head stuff is the Original Trilogy Forum, and those are 1024 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:45.239 the guys who like have like a reel of like movies that for whatever reason 1025 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.360 just will never get a blu ray h. Some of them are like Contraband 1026 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:54.000 for example, like you know, like certain Disney movies that we will never 1027 01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:57.440 see the light, that will never ever be put out ever again for very 1028 01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:00.679 very good reasons. And then some of them are like ones like the Brave 1029 01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:03.400 Little Toaster, which is this like weird in between thing where it's like the 1030 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:08.800 rights are complicated, there's no interest from like corporate, they don't want to 1031 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:13.280 acknowledge that it exists. And so like a lot of people do home telescene 1032 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:15.439 of thirty five millimeters reels like there was that guy doing trailers and stuff, 1033 01:08:15.680 --> 01:08:20.520 and it's a really good A lot of anime is actually like this because anime 1034 01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:26.359 rights are really really disgusting, just hard to do, you know, some 1035 01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.840 things get complicated, and yeah, they do home restoration of this stuff. 1036 01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.439 And the Brave Little Toaster scan that's this guy did looks great. Yeah, 1037 01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:35.640 why does it say it's uncensored? What is censored about the US DVD of 1038 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:42.720 Brave Little Toast. Well, there's a death scene of a client's the guy 1039 01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:45.680 then, so so two Little Brave Little toaster effects that are interesting. The 1040 01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.960 guy who did it, who wrote, who wrote the story it's based on 1041 01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:54.560 a book is Thomas Dish, who was a really good science fiction author who 1042 01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:00.239 passed away of complications of AIDS in was in the East Village and was very 1043 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.560 good at writing about like having add in a science fiction context. He did 1044 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:09.520 a really good short story call or book called Camp Concentration that's very good. 1045 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:13.399 And he also did one of the caddiest books of science fiction criticism I've ever 1046 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:17.479 seen, called The Dreams Are Stuff Is Made Of And it's just this middle 1047 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.279 of the road, like science fiction isn't good, science fiction isn't bad. 1048 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:24.359 It is what it is, and it can be both of these things. 1049 01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:26.760 And if you turn it one way, it prevents nuclear war, and if 1050 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.199 you turn in another way you get Umshin Rayuku. And he's a great, 1051 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.239 great, great analysis because he was also the caddy gay man of the science 1052 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:38.840 fiction world. So he's just constantly talking shit, he's aching. And the 1053 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:43.600 other fun thing is that I believe it was Brad Bird originally tried to pitch 1054 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.880 this. Oh wow, it's like, hey, imagine if these appliances had 1055 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.279 a life of their own at home, and then it got like taken away 1056 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.720 from him or something like that. And then later on he made Toy Story, 1057 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.239 and it's like Toy Story is just a brave little toaster rip off. 1058 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.560 He tried, we have the receipts. He tried to get this off the 1059 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.760 ground. He didn't do it. And then he made Toy Story and it 1060 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.560 made Bonco bucks or forget of his breadbird whoever. But anyway, Sobey involved 1061 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.720 in Pixar, that's that. It was clearly ripping that off and it's a 1062 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:14.359 better movie. Crazy reminiscing about our childhood here reminded me. I don't know 1063 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.680 if y'all remember this at all, and I don't have anything to say about 1064 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:20.039 this other than how much it horrified me as a child. But the Adventures 1065 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:26.560 of Timmy the Tooth was a puppo, and it just made me scared of 1066 01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:30.560 my teeth that I had to floss and brush every single night and day. 1067 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.720 God that Timmy looks, Oh, look at this fucker. I don't like 1068 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:38.600 this at all. This guy sucks. Teeth shouldn't be alive. Teeth shouldn't 1069 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:44.079 be alive. About the kind of general makeup of our teeth. They are 1070 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:53.079 organic matter. They can handle this. Yeah their bone right, Yeah, 1071 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:58.960 they sucks. That's the end of our first segment here, Nathan, Chris, 1072 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:02.479 thank you so much, gentlemen. Once again, aftermath dot site just 1073 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.560 launched. Chris Nathan, you guys can hang out for the rest of the 1074 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:09.800 show. You got a dip let me know, we would love to have 1075 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.640 you either way. He I mean, I can chell for a little bit 1076 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.920 longer. I think I got to dip in like thirty. But I can 1077 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.319 hang out and I'll just quietly bow out. Okay, dooky, all right, 1078 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:26.000 We'll see you guys after a quick break. This show is sponsored by 1079 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:30.279 Betterhelp. Holidays are quickly approaching, and I'm gearing up to have family over 1080 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.079 and throw a big dinner. 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I can't handle how 1096 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:45.119 much stuff Chris is unlocking within my brain because during the break we were talking 1097 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:49.399 about Christian anime, and I swear that I've seen this little robot before. 1098 01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:53.920 I don't know, within my dreams or within me, and I'm terrified now. 1099 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.720 I think it's in the Bible. Actually there's a lot of robots in 1100 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.800 the Bible. Yeah, there is. There is John the Baptist, actually 1101 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:08.119 a robot baptists. Just if you say the robot place that, does that 1102 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.199 make them a robot? I think it makes them a robot though. Yeah 1103 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:15.199 oh oh said at least robots talk about him. Yeah. Uh, Jeff 1104 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:20.199 Grubb, Let's talk about some news please, absolutely. I mean this is 1105 01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:29.560 God's favorite podcast's right, facts are facts? Oh right? We got a 1106 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.720 handful of news stories here. Let's start with the Nintendo addressing rumors about the 1107 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:38.479 switch to at games Com and it's dual screen patents. Nintendo has denied reports 1108 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:42.640 that it was that it has brief developers on plans for a Nintendo Switch successor, 1109 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.119 and it's also dismissed a recent patent filing for a device with multiple screens. 1110 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.680 However, some analysts believe that a new Nintendo console could be released in 1111 01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:55.760 twenty twenty four still seems very likely. Earlier this year, Windows Central and 1112 01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:00.520 VGC and Eurogamer had kind of two separate reports at two separate times of hey, 1113 01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.359 developers at games come, we're briefed on the switch too. When asked 1114 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:09.760 about that, Shintaro for Okawa at Nintendo President Nintendo said that those are inaccurate, 1115 01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:13.439 although he doesn't elaborate on which parts are inaccurate, if the whole thing's 1116 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:18.520 inaccurate. CEOs almost never do that. He also dismissed any sort of people 1117 01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:24.840 extrapolating from that recent patent about a dual screen device that when you take those 1118 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:28.359 two sides apart, the two sides can still communicate with wireless signals and it 1119 01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:30.479 can act like a DS and all this other stuff. He's like, no, 1120 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.760 that's not anything either. I think that that's probably that one's probably truce 1121 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:38.640 probably right about that. That's the kind of thing where Nintendo patent stuff all 1122 01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:41.960 the times, all the time, and nothing ever happens with that. But 1123 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:46.239 I don't Usually Eurogamer and VGC thirty reporting is usually pretty spot on on this 1124 01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:50.319 stuff, especially when they hear about it separately, And I just wouldn't be 1125 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:55.159 surprised if this is them being a little bit trying to obfuscate what really did 1126 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:57.520 happen. Say, yeah, we were kind of talking to some people about 1127 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.119 it. Maybe he's like, oh, did you show off the switch to 1128 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.840 at games Com? Well, we didn't maybe have the physical switch to, 1129 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.159 but we might have talked about it to developers. There's a lot of space 1130 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.479 for both of these, both sides to be telling the truth here. Either 1131 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:15.159 way, we're expecting this the follow up to the Switch to be announced at 1132 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:17.640 some point in the next year or so, so they got to start talking 1133 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:23.520 to developers at some point there. I don't I don't have the story here, 1134 01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:29.039 but there is this recent trend of Nintendo games and at least one third 1135 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:36.199 party game getting a new button coloring scheme for Switch games that exactly matches the 1136 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:40.359 Super Famicom controller, where it's like, you know, the red is the 1137 01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:43.000 A is red, and that's the yellow, blue and the green all the 1138 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:45.880 way around like the super Famicom controller had, and people, well, Nintendo's 1139 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.560 just kind of doing a throwback, but once third party developers started doing it, 1140 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.439 there's like a fashion game that's that just released that's doing it as well. 1141 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:57.640 That lines up with some reporting that the next Switch might have a Super 1142 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:01.039 Famicom styling to. It might even be called Super Nintendo Switch To or something 1143 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:05.279 like that, and so people know something's happening here. They're getting these games 1144 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:11.159 ready to be backward compatible. So this is something we should hear about relatively 1145 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:13.439 soon. But I don't know where are you guys that will like Switch to 1146 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.319 getting announced. Is it something that you guys don't expect to happen until middle 1147 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.399 of next year, being at this point, probably it's going to be at 1148 01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:23.439 least a minute, like we're you know, coming toward the end of the 1149 01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:27.239 year. I mean, Game Awards doesn't really seem like the kind of place 1150 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.319 for that would drop major. I mean, it's not impossible, but I 1151 01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:32.399 agree, like, yeah, it seems unlikely. Yes, yeah, so 1152 01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.720 I mean I would figure that at the earliest. Yeah, i'd be probably 1153 01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:39.800 the middle of next year. I think they just yeah, sorry, oh 1154 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:41.920 sorry, No, they just do things on their own time. Now. 1155 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:48.159 They don't care. They fully won, you know, whatever vestiges of the 1156 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.680 console Wars are left, they may as well just like do what works for 1157 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:57.239 them. Yeah, And even when they were in a corner with the WEU, 1158 01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:00.199 it wasn't like they were operating on some set schedule that they had done 1159 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:01.199 before where they're like, oh, we did this in the past, we're 1160 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.119 gonna do it this time. It's like, now we're gonna announce it in 1161 01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:08.960 a video in December, and then we'll have an announcement event in March and 1162 01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.359 or like in the early next year, and then launch it in March. 1163 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.560 So that's probably not going to be exactly what they do this time, but 1164 01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.600 I don't know. I think by next holiday we'll either have this thing or 1165 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:24.239 we'll definitely know a lot about it. But for now they are continuing to 1166 01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:30.399 stay pretty silent, so and that like they were asked about this apparently inside 1167 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.720 of their conversation with investors, which is where a lot of this data is 1168 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.279 coming from. As part of this though, they confirmed that the Switch is 1169 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:40.680 now sold one hundred and thirty two point four to six million units as of 1170 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:44.760 September thirtieth, twenty twenty three. That makes it the second best home best 1171 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.079 selling home console of all time, behind the PlayStation two. It probably will 1172 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:50.520 get to about one hundred and forty million units by the end of this year, 1173 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:54.960 or somewhere in that range. The PlayStation two is at about one hundred 1174 01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:58.359 and fifty million. That's it could actually end up getting there. It depends 1175 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:00.840 on how fast the switch does fall off after the switch to is introduced. 1176 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:04.560 Nintendo has sold more Switch consoles and games in the first six months of its 1177 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:09.920 fiscal year this year than it did in the same period last year. Obviously, 1178 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:13.439 that is because of Zelda Big. Zelda's going to push a lot more 1179 01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.760 and that's really seemed to have the effect there. Switch hardware sales, however, 1180 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.439 overall, are declining, especially in major markets outside of Japan. It's 1181 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:24.560 actually growing in Japan weirdly. Nintendo says this year software sales were driven by 1182 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:28.760 Zelda and Pickment four, and Nintendo plans to release those games that are coming 1183 01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:31.199 up just now, either Warriorware which just released Super MARIOORPG and more, and 1184 01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:35.680 that's going to carry them through the holiday. The best selling games on the 1185 01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:40.960 Switch so far, the order hasn't changed, but just the numbers on some 1186 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.680 of these games continues to be baffling. The Mario Kart eight Deluxe, the 1187 01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:47.079 best selling game of the Switch, still is sold another one point five million 1188 01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:53.479 copies in the last quarter. Is now at fifty seven point zero one copies 1189 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:57.439 sold. I mean a lot of those get packed in, but people are 1190 01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.000 buying those packages because it comes with Mario Kart. That's the reason they're getting 1191 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:04.600 it. It feels like animal crossing. I don't know a little bit, 1192 01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:11.520 yeah, but I mean they're like a smash I'm sorry, there's a smash 1193 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.199 like package that they're just now putting out or something. Yes, so that 1194 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.319 part of their Black Friday lineup, they have a whole bunch of stuff. 1195 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:23.479 Usually they just do a Mario Kart eight bundle. They have I think an 1196 01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:26.960 Animal Crossing bundle this year, but then they just announced a Super Smash Brothers 1197 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.439 Ultimate O lead bundle, and Smash Brothers Ultimate came out five six years ago 1198 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:35.239 or something like that. So yeah, that's and I mean, like Breath 1199 01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:39.560 of the Wild is getting a Black Friday sale down to forty dollars, a 1200 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:43.640 sixty dollars game down to forty dollars seven years after it came out. That's 1201 01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:48.239 just out Nintendo's operating these days. Yeah, Animal Crossing New Horizons at forty 1202 01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:53.520 three point three eight million, that sold another point six million copies. Smash 1203 01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.359 Brothers is at thirty two million, Breath of the Wild's at thirty one point 1204 01:19:56.439 --> 01:20:00.079 one five million, Mario Odyssey's at twenty seven million. Then you have Pokemon 1205 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:04.600 Sword and Shield and Pokemon Scarlet and Violet at twenty at a twenty six and 1206 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:10.479 twenty three respectively. Super Mario Party at nineteen point six six million, And 1207 01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:13.920 just to put that in respective, that's a bad game. Okay, I 1208 01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:17.399 agree, I agree, Yeah, Mario Party fucking awful I think Mario Party 1209 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:20.840 Superstars is the better of those, and that one's like catching up to this. 1210 01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:24.600 That's like I think at like fifteen million copies or something like that. 1211 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:28.800 But Super Mario Party is just straight up a bad game and it's and that 1212 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.880 nineteen point six six million is better. It makes it a better seller than 1213 01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:38.199 I think anything from First Party Xbox or First Party PlayStation. That last Pokemon 1214 01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:42.800 game was rough to those last Oh yeah, it's just been getting it's I 1215 01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:46.039 mean, I know they have a different relationship with like the Pokemon Company and 1216 01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:48.800 thus like their hands are tied and they can't do their normal thing, but 1217 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:53.800 god damn, like the quality control on that and even Archaeas was just so 1218 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:57.600 rough, and it's like I want them to do the tea table thing, 1219 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:02.039 the tea table Urban Legend like so badly for this franchise. I want them 1220 01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:06.520 to be like, no, you're taking like two seconds to make make to 1221 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.800 have time and staff and crew to make a game that's like that looks good, 1222 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:15.279 yep, but speak my language. These games on this three year schedule 1223 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:19.279 and they have never abandoned it, and they keep selling Pokemon. Scarlett Violet 1224 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:24.880 is catching up the Sword and Shield, it's still uh, it's still behind 1225 01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:28.119 it. But in the last quarter it did sold it sold another point five 1226 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.319 to seven millions, five hundred and thousand copies. Uh. And that that's 1227 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.720 before this holiday where it's going to have its DLC, and that DLC is 1228 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:36.600 likely going to get packaged in with the game here pretty soon and that will 1229 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:41.760 probably ship another couple of million copies uh over you know, several months. 1230 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:44.760 And so yeah, that game's probably gonna get to twenty six million as well. 1231 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:46.920 Uh. And then Tiers of the Kingdom is at nineteen point five million 1232 01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:51.039 already without having a first holiday to get through as well. So that's gonna 1233 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:54.800 shoot up a twenty million. God, it's going to be clear. Thank 1234 01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:58.199 god, it's going to eventually out sell Mario Party. Yes, exactly right. 1235 01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:00.680 Thing that they about right, oh yeah, is one of that means 1236 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:05.880 time still behind Super Mario Party. That's I mean that I do think about 1237 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:09.760 that. Like Pickment four, we got the new story coming up here. 1238 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.600 I'll just say it right now. Pickman four is the best selling Pickman game 1239 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:15.199 of all time. It did two point six one million copies, and I'm 1240 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:18.760 like, I'm grateful, but boy does that make me sad that Super Mario 1241 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:23.640 parties at ten times that it's just so nice, stating it's a fraction of 1242 01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.119 a Mario party. What is it about? I mean, why did like 1243 01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:31.920 I get Mario Kart right? Like that makes sense. I switch is very 1244 01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:36.800 popular with families, and a lot of those Mario Party sales, not all 1245 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.000 of them, but a lot did happen during the pandemic where people were buying 1246 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:44.159 the switch and buying games to play to keep their family entertained. And that 1247 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.720 and that momentum is carried. You know. It sold another two hundred and 1248 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.119 seventy thousand copies in the last quarter. Again, better than a lot of 1249 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:55.800 brand new games. Fucking yeah, and then new Super Mario Brothers. You 1250 01:22:55.840 --> 01:23:00.840 de luck, a port of a WIU game is at sixteen points seven more 1251 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:04.720 coffees sold. Yeah, again, and that's better than just about anything else 1252 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:10.000 from any other publisher. And this is a portable WEU game, so you 1253 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.760 imagine Wonder is going to do pretty well there. But overall the hardware is 1254 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:18.279 dropping off. It's trending, it's kind of trending down in a pretty noticeable 1255 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:25.039 way. Japan is the one territory that is seen like, oh, actually, 1256 01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:29.439 Japan had more looks like it has more hardware sold than the America's so 1257 01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:31.760 far this year. So that's, you know, really good that they're able 1258 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.840 to keep that momentum in Japan, something that was questionable there for a while 1259 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:40.119 in terms of like how much does that audience still care about traditional games when 1260 01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:44.239 it's Nintendo stuff. They're very much on board still, but in the Americas, 1261 01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:48.399 in Europe and other regions it's dropping off pretty big, and that's usually 1262 01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:51.680 when they're ready to lock and load with the new system. So we'll hear 1263 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:58.760 more about that soon elsewhere. Epic Game Store isn't profitable yet. The Epic 1264 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:00.960 Game Store is about five years old, still isn't profitable. According to Epic 1265 01:24:01.000 --> 01:24:05.560 Games. It has offered generous revenue splits to developers and spent heavily on exclusives, 1266 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:10.600 exclusives and free games, but it has also laid off employees and increased 1267 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.279 prices, and they seem to have abandoned some of that strategy. The guy 1268 01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.600 that was serge I can't remember how to say, the guy he used to 1269 01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:23.000 do the the Steam dB. Yeah, yes, yes, sech B. 1270 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.840 It was a different data it was a different thing, but yeah, he 1271 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:29.159 he managed to like figure out what Steam games are selling basically exactly. He 1272 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:31.720 was like a data analyst guy, and he was overseen or he was basically 1273 01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:36.680 in charge of turning Epic Games into a competitor. Uh, he's left. 1274 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:41.239 And that was kind of signifying that, oh, the strategy we were doing 1275 01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.239 before of a lot of free games and all this stuff, it didn't necessarily 1276 01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:46.720 have the effect that we were hoping for. Now. I mean, now 1277 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:49.199 that seems to be like where Epic is at in general right now. Like 1278 01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:54.279 this is also you know, them talking about kind of their or like what 1279 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:57.399 they were hoping to do with like Fortnite and Creator stuff and all of that 1280 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:00.000 in terms of generating more revenue, and they just like came to the conclud 1281 01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:01.479 like, oh, this is not making the kind of money that we expected 1282 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:04.560 it to. And that's where you know, a lot of the layoffs came 1283 01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:08.720 from. I feel like they still up go ahead, So no, go 1284 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:12.159 ahead. And I was going to say, they still seem to be fairly 1285 01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:15.560 attached to that strategy or at least too you know, like metaversizing Fortnite. 1286 01:25:15.800 --> 01:25:19.720 Yeah, but you know, it's become clear to them that the amount of 1287 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:24.600 money they thought they could pull in off of doing this is not going to 1288 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:28.159 align with reality. Yeah, and I think when it comes to the store, 1289 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.479 very much a fight being picked by Tim Sweeney. This is a something 1290 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:38.239 I think he wants to fight because he's angry about this. And you know, 1291 01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:42.319 recently it seems like they do have a strategy of publishing games and getting 1292 01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:45.359 games off the ground like Alan Wake two that is going to be very successful 1293 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:48.000 and very like that's actually going to work as opposed to the strategy for a 1294 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.359 long time there of finding games about to come out and pain to keep them 1295 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:55.640 off Steam. I understand why they did that strategy, but it's just it 1296 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.119 never really had the effect that they were going for. I think there was 1297 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.960 a couple of games that moved the needle order. Lands three I think was 1298 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:05.000 probably the biggest one that they had, but it just was a lot of 1299 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:08.720 money after a lot of good money after bad is what it seems like. 1300 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:11.920 And I you know, I guess hindsight's twenty twenty, but so man, 1301 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.840 imagine if all that money could have gone to projects that were similar to allen 1302 01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:16.760 Wick two. Right. Not that there's a million developers out there ready to 1303 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:19.680 make games like that, but there are more than are getting funded. So 1304 01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:24.760 yeah, it just seems like a shame. It seems like a walk Just 1305 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:28.680 walk into Finland with like a boatload of money and be like, all right, 1306 01:26:28.720 --> 01:26:32.439 we need more finish game designers. Yeah, that's where the twenty sam 1307 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:38.239 Lakes just merge from nowhere. The game is mo scene stuff and I just 1308 01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:40.560 I just like I did. Yeah, just go into a guys who are 1309 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:44.479 really good at making things mon efficiently. Yeah, do magic tricks here. 1310 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.760 Hey, if shifts into that, that would be great, a great use 1311 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:50.600 of that money. Yeah, I think right, I mean the thing we 1312 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:54.319 I mean, well, actually, I take it back. We do talk 1313 01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:58.439 about it all the time. Epic Game Store as a product, as a 1314 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:02.880 piece of software is very bad, and that is also why it is probably 1315 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:10.279 not moving the needle. If that thing like the fact that I lament having 1316 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:14.319 to launch Alan Wake too, the fact that I do not look forward to 1317 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:16.560 that tells you everything you need to know. It is such a like I 1318 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.880 don't know what is going on with this with this software, but it does 1319 01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:25.000 not work. They have to redo it, they have to just stop and 1320 01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:30.239 start over because it's bad. I hate it. I hate it. I 1321 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.960 hate that software. The other thing, though, is like even if Epic 1322 01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:38.520 managed to make something really good on that front, managed like achieve feature parody 1323 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.520 with Steam in almost every way, that probably still would not be enough because 1324 01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:46.960 generally speaking, people don't move platforms or be for like different things when the 1325 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:51.319 client that they already have is perfectly good and they have stuff there and the 1326 01:27:51.319 --> 01:27:55.560 other stuff. They've got their friends, they've got a community, they know 1327 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:58.600 how it all works. They don't have to adjust to people. Yeah, 1328 01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:02.079 exactly. And it's like unless Epic like comes out with something that just revolutionizes 1329 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:05.920 the entire way we do this, then you know they're not going to meaningfully 1330 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:10.399 pull people away from Steam. Like it's just that there's not a way to 1331 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.119 do it. The only the only other use case, the only other like 1332 01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:15.279 platform they think of is like Gog, and the only reason why gog is 1333 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:20.800 supported by people is because it has like one specific thing it does GM free 1334 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.920 and like nobody's else, you know what I mean, Like there is an 1335 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:27.359 actual like use case difference with the platform, and if it's like, hey, 1336 01:28:27.399 --> 01:28:30.079 would you like this worst platform, everyone's gonna be like hate the imposition. 1337 01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.319 I think that's the other thing is like it's the idea of just like 1338 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.960 being forced to do it. It's like not even just that it works bad, 1339 01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:39.479 it's that it is there's no choice in the matter. Where is gog? 1340 01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:41.600 Is this thing that you do if you're a freak and you like that 1341 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.920 stuff, you know what I mean? Like that's freaks out there for sure. 1342 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:48.399 Yeah, No, it's good, valid, very valid. But I 1343 01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:50.800 think there is something to that though, like because it's also yeah, to 1344 01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:54.640 your point, like almost an identity thing. Like I you know, if 1345 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.720 you're somebody who uses gog, you're someone who cares about older games, who 1346 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:00.079 cares about games being freely available instead of like lockdown by d r M. 1347 01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.079 Like you know, it's almost a badge of honor. And if you can 1348 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:06.640 provide that to people, something that like you know, is a form of 1349 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:11.520 identity, then they'll be super into it. Something like band camp for a 1350 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:18.159 weight about that, Uh, check out Aftermath later this week, because I'm 1351 01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:27.920 working on I would love to answer. Yes, absolutely, We'll see what 1352 01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.880 kind of what happens in the store space, But it seems very lockdown for 1353 01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:33.079 Steam. Uh. And then if there's disruption, you would think it's coming 1354 01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:36.960 from game Pass, but it's not like that's over taking PC gaming in any 1355 01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.720 real way. Either. It's growing, sure, but it's not like no. 1356 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.039 Steam still has all that momentum. And if there's disruption, it's not 1357 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:48.760 happening at Epic Game Store. Uh. PlayStation consoles are losing Twitter integration next 1358 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:54.920 week. Sony Interactive Entertainment will be disabling Twitter integration on PlayStation consoles next week. 1359 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:58.359 This includes the ability to view Twitter content, post content, and link 1360 01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:01.279 Twitter accounts. Sony is now confirm the reason for this decision, but Microsoft 1361 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:05.119 made a similar move in April. Due to high API costs, Twitter wants 1362 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:10.319 to charge around forty two thousand dollars a month for major enterprise partners. This 1363 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:13.920 is smart because Twitter was getting free content for its platforms and now it won't. 1364 01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:20.359 Wait, that doesn't sound smart at all that I really like disengage me, 1365 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:24.439 man, you know, can I can I? Can I say the 1366 01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.720 can I say the line? Say the line? If you'd like to read 1367 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.319 a post about this, you can go to after No. It sucks. 1368 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:34.880 It legitimately sucks. And I have a very complicated reason, as somebody who 1369 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:39.119 does a show where I look for video game clips, which is that like, 1370 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:43.520 yes, okay, you know what you can do on Twitter find video 1371 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:46.119 clips in a way that is kind of organized, you know where. You 1372 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.399 can't do that everywhere else except kind of Reddit in needy YouTube, but not 1373 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:54.239 really because why would you look there? And like that's the thrust of the 1374 01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.159 piece I it is there is a no good place for video game clips. 1375 01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.680 Nobody has thought about this, like and you can affect you can search by 1376 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:03.760 source operator for example, like search operators are important. And being able to 1377 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:10.720 upload from Twitter to a like platform without downloading it with your phone on a 1378 01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:12.800 very good app. It's a it's actually a pretty good app, I like 1379 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.800 the PlayStation app, but like having it all organized as like this is a 1380 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:20.720 category that's just game clips is so useful not just for me, but for 1381 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:25.520 people trying to find out what the fuck is happening. And this this this 1382 01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:30.800 lack of indexing, this like slow erosion of like being able to figure out 1383 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:33.199 where shit is without it being fed to you by an algorithm that feeds the 1384 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:35.880 shit you don't want to see. That has made you know it's the in 1385 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:40.880 shitification. It's uh, it's it's getting worse, as it is so much 1386 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:45.880 worse. The web is becoming unuseful, like it is it was once a 1387 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:49.920 tool and now it is a content shoveling platform, and uh, it's it's 1388 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:54.439 rough. The sad thing here is Yeah, for a very long time, 1389 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:58.640 Twitter very bad and then secretly got it got kind of okay, It got 1390 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:02.119 kind of it got okay there for a little bit where they dealt with a 1391 01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:04.840 lot of their hate problems, not all of it. They got really good 1392 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:10.039 at dealing with disinformation, and then all of their tools for searching and finding 1393 01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:14.079 stuff and following the people you want to follow and curating your own experience was 1394 01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:18.119 pretty decent, wasn't It was a good utility, And now it's most don't 1395 01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:20.800 need to make money, right, Like if it's it serves the people, 1396 01:32:20.920 --> 01:32:25.279 yeah, then I thinks it was making money. It was like, we're 1397 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:29.359 making a lot of add money and then here we are, so and of 1398 01:32:29.359 --> 01:32:32.000 course it's being ripped apart, you know, pup things. And like also 1399 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:36.680 like I had access legacy access to to studio Twitter studio, which is something 1400 01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:41.119 that nobody knows exists unless you are of like a media freak, right, 1401 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:44.239 and like they revoked that, and honestly that like the fact that there is 1402 01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:47.520 no actual front end tool for people, normal people to just do video uploads, 1403 01:32:47.560 --> 01:32:51.359 to like do YouTube uploads or like YouTube style things where it's like here's 1404 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.840 the thumbnail, here's the metadata, here's the SRT. That stuff hasn't worked. 1405 01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.720 It's not that it's a good or bad. Like Twitter could be a 1406 01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.760 great platform for video, could be very good because it's like engaging in a 1407 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:05.000 way that is correct. It's just it looks like you uploaded it from a 1408 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:10.720 PS three and it like is there's no tools for it, and they keep 1409 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:14.239 doing like who cares about the rationale because like even if it wasn't just the 1410 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:16.560 API CAU, you know what I mean, there's like twenty million reasons. 1411 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:21.479 It's like they're hamorrhaging users, like it's bad to be associated with it. 1412 01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:25.520 And like if if Elon comes in and does this thing where it's like, 1413 01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:29.359 oh here, here's like a slight I'm gonna shake you down a slight amount 1414 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.119 for something you're not really getting anything out of except let's be honest, it 1415 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:36.159 made it easier to figure out what people were doing on your platform, Like 1416 01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:40.800 it's actually really a useful thing for Sony, but they're like I don't care 1417 01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.239 anymore, and like TikTok's not that either, because TikTok's this other thing. 1418 01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:47.159 It's closer to YouTube. They like like content that's in like a very specific 1419 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:53.039 format that's memes, Like it's a lot of good recut twitch clips and stuff 1420 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:54.880 like that. Whenever you try to look up game stuff, you will not 1421 01:33:54.960 --> 01:34:00.000 find like good gaming content that's just clips on TikTok. It's a that. 1422 01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:04.239 Yeah, and then the TikTok is almost all the algorithms, so you're gonna 1423 01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:09.000 get reinforced the stuff you've already started watching and discovering new stuff. It's it's 1424 01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:14.359 just not a tool, it's it is a content consumption platform. There is 1425 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:16.760 still waste obviously to post stuff to Twitter, but it's not no longer a 1426 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.000 button on the PlayStation. And as we were talking about, like, oh, 1427 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:24.880 people like you do, the people take the path of at least resistance. 1428 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:28.479 And if you put any resistance there, a significant portion of stopped doing 1429 01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:30.640 things the way they were and they just won't find a new way. And 1430 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:34.239 it's done. So that's the reality here. Yep, all right. Blizzard 1431 01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:39.439 seems happy about being at Microsoft. Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard is expected to 1432 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:42.920 have a positive impact on Blizzard. According to Blizzard, president mikey Bara, 1433 01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:45.880 and now he would say that, but to be fair, a lot of 1434 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:48.239 employees there are are echoing some of these similar sentiments. They have their own 1435 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:53.359 reasons that I think are separate from Ebarras. But Barra said that Microsoft's culture 1436 01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:58.000 of trust, inclusion, collaboration wiant power Blizzard to continue creating great games. 1437 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:01.560 He also said that Microsoft is supportive of Blizzard revisiting older titles if they want 1438 01:35:01.600 --> 01:35:04.920 to. Basically, though, what he's saying here is we're going to be 1439 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:10.359 more independent than we have been, and independent from what or who exactly. 1440 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:15.119 I think it's Bobby. Bobby Kottock is Bobby Kottak. Bobby Bobby had his 1441 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.560 way of doing things, which is bigger, more faster. Also, like 1442 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:20.600 you know, sequels as often as possible, it's often time. I mean 1443 01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:24.720 like Overwatch two is like a perfect example of this, right, Like a 1444 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:28.680 sequel that no one really asked for, that came at great expense of the 1445 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:31.359 original game that like still has not really found its footing. Like that was 1446 01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:34.520 all internal Bobby Coottic stuff, him being like, we need a sequel to 1447 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.479 this game that's doing really well. The over Watch team did not want to 1448 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:41.720 make Overwatch two. They wanted to keep adding stuff to Overwatch one, and 1449 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.239 like that's the reason. Like Bungee was like, we got to get out 1450 01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:45.840 of this with Destiny because they're going to keep making us make Destiny three and 1451 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:50.840 there's no way we're doing that. So yeah, it's this is his mo 1452 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:54.680 for a very long time. Bobby Kottak is like, Hey, we have 1453 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:58.039 something that works. Here's my genius. Make it again, make it bigger, 1454 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:01.800 and make make it faster. Oh that's real clever stuff. There are 1455 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:04.880 we going to probably eventually run it into the ground. It's like he's very 1456 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.640 lucky. The call of duty is one that was so resistant to that. 1457 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:11.880 But Tony Hawk Guitar Hero definitely got ran into the ground. And yeah he 1458 01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:14.800 made a lot of money doing that, I guess. But there's something to 1459 01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:18.319 be said for longevity too. So there's something to be said for the people 1460 01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:23.079 making these things not feeling like they are being ground down, having to just 1461 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:26.199 get this stuff out as fast as possible. Yeah. Well, I mean 1462 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:30.279 that is one area in which the workers some of these companies are potentially excited. 1463 01:36:30.479 --> 01:36:39.119 I did a piece on aftermath dot site that's after myth about the sort 1464 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:43.279 of unionized workers at companies like Blizzard, albany Man's Nmax, which is under 1465 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:47.239 Microsoft, and how like, as a result of Microsoft buying Activision Blizzard, 1466 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:54.399 basically Microsoft has agreed to this neutrality deal where they will allow workers to discuss 1467 01:36:54.640 --> 01:36:58.720 labor organizing unions things like that and to form them without you know, union 1468 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:01.520 busting, so basically interfere by coercing people the committed they're committed to that because 1469 01:37:01.520 --> 01:37:04.479 if they go back on that, that is something they've discussed with regulators, 1470 01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:08.119 and regulars would be able to come back and bite them. Yes, it 1471 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:12.680 is legally binding with a union called the CWA, And so a lot of 1472 01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:16.000 people who work at these studios are cautiously optimistic because like now, there's not 1473 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:23.239 really much stopping you know, thousands, potentially like ten thousand employees from unionizing 1474 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:28.000 in various capacities and from and as a result, securing better conditions for themselves, 1475 01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:31.880 you know, pushing back against things like crunch and even layoffs things of 1476 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:36.800 that nature. So you know, there is reason to be excited, even 1477 01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:42.359 though they've just you know, jumped from one behemoth to another behemoth. Right, 1478 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:45.800 It's it's it's not orders of magnitude different. The world is like a 1479 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:50.840 utopia with butterflies and rainbows because they're no longer because they're Microsoft now. But 1480 01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:55.520 it's like, oh no, it is measurably better in these certain areas and 1481 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:58.319 the ways where it could be a problem that, yeah, that could be, 1482 01:37:58.399 --> 01:38:00.119 we'll see. But it's like for those the people making this stuff, 1483 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:03.640 mostly it seems like a couple of good, positive moves in the right direction 1484 01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:06.399 for a lot of them, and we'll see how long that lasts. Nothing's 1485 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:12.840 going to last forever. Speaking of Xbox and what's happening there, they're talking 1486 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:16.439 up using AI tools to build characters, dialogue and narratives. Xbox and in 1487 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:20.800 World have partnered to create AI dialogue and narrative tools for game developers. The 1488 01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:26.399 tools will include an AI design copilot and an AI character runtime engine. The 1489 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:29.840 use of AI in the entertainment world is obviously a point of contention right now. 1490 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:33.960 Hyen Zing or Hyan Jing from Who's Xboxes, General manager of Gaming AI, 1491 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:39.399 said the tool set will include an AI design copilot that assist and empowers 1492 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:44.760 game designers to explore more creative ideas, turning prompts into detailed scripts. Dialogue 1493 01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:47.359 trees, quests, and more, as well as an AI character runtime engine 1494 01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:51.760 that could be integrated into the game client, enabling entirely new narratives with dynamically 1495 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:58.039 generated stories, quests, and dialogue for players to experience. Now, I 1496 01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:02.000 am of the sober opinion that there's no this is gonna be really tough to 1497 01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:08.640 stop and and but the ideal solution, well, the idea of solution is 1498 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:13.000 is Union's being able to step in and create guidelines. But short of that, 1499 01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:17.079 it is okay, create tools for the developers to use. Don't replace 1500 01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:20.199 developers with these things. I still think that seems like a risky thing here, 1501 01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:27.239 though. What do you guys think? Ah uh? I The first 1502 01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:30.640 thing that popped into my head was like, just as long as no one 1503 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.560 loses their job over it, it's uh you know, but how could that 1504 01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:36.159 even be a thing that you like, measure and sort of like track? 1505 01:39:36.279 --> 01:39:39.560 Right? Yeah, I mean, I mean what usually happens with this stuff 1506 01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:42.560 is like I always point to the example of Epic games saying, hey, 1507 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:45.239 an unreal inch and five, there's a button you get pressed that creates a 1508 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:46.640 city, an open world city for you. And that used to be a 1509 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:49.560 job that would employ lots of people, and it's like, well, so 1510 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:53.079 that means we're gonna get games just what people think we're gonna game. We're 1511 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:55.680 gonna get games faster because you could just press that button and now you can 1512 01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:57.920 make games cheaper and you don't have to have so many people. And it's 1513 01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:00.880 like, well, yeah, that's true for certain tiers of games. For 1514 01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:02.399 those top tiers of games, it's like they're going to take all the people 1515 01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:06.119 that were busy making the city and now they're going to have those people work 1516 01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:09.960 on other things, like the interiors that you can't just create with a button. 1517 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:12.840 They will the scope will keep getting bigger now that these other things are 1518 01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:15.720 easier. That's not always going to be the case, though. There are 1519 01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:19.720 going to be situations where people do get replaced. Can I can I offer 1520 01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:23.960 a rejoinder to that? And I saw somebody posting about this. Somebody posted 1521 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:27.359 a tool and what it was was, you know, used I don't know, 1522 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:30.079 like GPT or whatever, and it's like it would describe an object and 1523 01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:34.119 then it would render that object in a three D in like Blender. And 1524 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:39.600 I saw someone who worked in games who was like that, I for a 1525 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:43.560 living tell people to reduce the number of triangles in their models so it runs 1526 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:45.119 on consoles. And this would give me a heart attack and make me quit. 1527 01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:49.560 And that is every AI tool I try getting it. I've used all 1528 01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:53.399 that stuff, Like, Okay, it's useful for certain things. It's useful 1529 01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:57.680 if you want to make the voice of Roger from American Dad, that's fine. 1530 01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.880 It's useful if you want to transcord and I have, it's useful if 1531 01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:05.359 you want to transcribe things. There are limited uses to this stuff, but 1532 01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:11.760 like more often than not, your babysitting it, and the babysitting treaks more 1533 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.960 time, like even with like you know, I don't think that's exactly what 1534 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:18.159 happened with City Skylines, but they clearly had like a tool that made like 1535 01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:23.399 their teeth, their models have too many goddamn teeth, you know what I 1536 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:25.560 mean, or any teeth, you know what I mean. Like this middleware 1537 01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:29.439 stuff where you don't babysit it and you have to babysit. It's just it 1538 01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:33.079 creates a lot of work that like I don't think people in charge understand that 1539 01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.399 is not actually an efficiency. It's just you've created another class of people you 1540 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:42.680 have to hire to watch the people that you destroyed with the robot, and 1541 01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:46.840 it's likely stuff with AI. It's it's also go ahead, Nathan. It's 1542 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:51.039 kind of a banall point. But like AI is not intelligent. AI is 1543 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:55.680 a branding term. It does not describe the way the thing actually functions. 1544 01:41:56.119 --> 01:41:59.239 It is a large language model. It just means that it can imitate things 1545 01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:01.479 at a scale. But he and then it's mostly just taking them and reapplying 1546 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.760 them, which is also I like you mentioned specifically that this tool could like 1547 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:09.279 aid in quest design or something like that. That sounds terrible to me because 1548 01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:13.000 like if you try to communicate with an AI bot, they lose track of 1549 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:16.680 like individual threads so quickly, they like don't know that they have trouble calling 1550 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:20.520 back to things that you talked about earlier, like, which is all quests 1551 01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:24.199 are. They're just a series of events that call back to each other. 1552 01:42:24.319 --> 01:42:28.920 Like it does not sound like a great idea to me. Yeah, and 1553 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:33.119 I think Chris, you're exactly right and think you extrapolated there as well, 1554 01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:38.279 where it's just like these things are they have their uses. They are just 1555 01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:43.279 tools though, and anytime where we're like putting the tools in charge, it's 1556 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:45.319 just not gonna work. And I've used a lot of the AI stuff, 1557 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.840 and it's like, if you ask it to do the things that we're told 1558 01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:53.960 it's going to be replacing jobs for, it is very bad. Immediately. 1559 01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.880 It is so noticeable. It's not gonna be like it's not going to pass 1560 01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.279 a SNIP test, let alone be able to like create these games the way 1561 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.640 that people say. And there are people like, oh, I coded a 1562 01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:05.800 game using the chat GBT, aving me walk through it. It's like, 1563 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:10.479 yeah, you be a human involved in every step of the process. Probably 1564 01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:13.920 can accomplish a lot more with a computer assistant. I could see that happening. 1565 01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:16.039 And I do think AI probably will get integrated into a lot of the 1566 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:19.439 workflows for a lot of people, but from people who know what they're doing, 1567 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:23.680 know what to look for, and are able to figure out where it 1568 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.800 works and where it doesn't, and that that's going to take time, and 1569 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:29.920 that that's going to require a lot of people still being involved in the process. 1570 01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:31.479 And I know it's not the same thing one to one, but I 1571 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:35.479 feel like, like, remember all those procedural generation games were coming out, 1572 01:43:36.039 --> 01:43:40.640 and like you know, early twenty tens and twenty alone, you know, 1573 01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:44.880 in that decade, do you think they would have used AI instead of procedural 1574 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.640 generator, like just as like a buzzword sort of term, where like, 1575 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:53.800 hey, Splunky's got that AI. Oh yes, right, and probably might 1576 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:56.920 have afraid of associating themselves with that, Yeah, of course, yes, 1577 01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.119 definitely right. Yes, it's also just it's run out of seat. I 1578 01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:01.000 don't know, the whole thing, running out of team. They like they 1579 01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:04.560 needed somewhere to park their money when Crypto crashed. Yeah, like and and 1580 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:08.560 like they needed to be a thing everyone in Silicon Valley that the like runs 1581 01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.359 of runs of hedge fund like needed something to be annoying about for a year 1582 01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:15.479 and are ye and everyone's like tired of talking about this the only thing that 1583 01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:18.119 that's fun. And then more importantly, all the cloud processing is just gonna 1584 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.439 money for crowd possing. It's just gonna run out, Like it takes a 1585 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:25.319 lot of energy to make, like like big bird dude nine to eleven in 1586 01:44:25.399 --> 01:44:29.399 chat GPT and like and like eventually they're you're gonna have to pay for it, 1587 01:44:29.399 --> 01:44:30.960 and everyone's like, oh fuck that, I don't want to do that. 1588 01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:33.640 It's how it's gonna work, you know, it's it's it's it's honestly, 1589 01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:38.159 the results aren't worth that money. It's uh, you know, I 1590 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:41.600 use some some AI stuff when I put my notes in for the show the 1591 01:44:41.600 --> 01:44:43.840 news run down'm running. I'm right here. I put a bunch of notes 1592 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:45.239 in, copy a bunch of stuff from a bunch of stories, and then 1593 01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:47.279 I put like, Okay, here's what matters to me. Here's this, 1594 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.119 this, now summarize this, and most of the time it works. Sometimes 1595 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:54.840 it makes a grave air that's oh, and I got to like remember actually 1596 01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:58.039 what this thing said and work around what the computer's done because I'm reading it 1597 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:00.560 now. So it's like, yeah, it's I would not pay for this. 1598 01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:04.239 That's in the Google docs thing. That's like their professional tool set that 1599 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:10.199 they actually sell to the enterpriss. Yes, it's bad. Sorry, just 1600 01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:13.800 real quick Tangentially, I've had some acquaintances say, oh, yeah, man, 1601 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.680 I used to write myself a cover letter get hard at a job. 1602 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:20.640 Now that that does work because the hiring process is such horseshit that that doesn't 1603 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:26.720 matter. Fair, very fair. But those same acquaintances have wound up at 1604 01:45:26.720 --> 01:45:30.600 these jobs and immediately gone fired because they don't actually have the tool set to 1605 01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:35.479 fucking succeed at the job, and it's like, Bro, you're not gonna 1606 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:39.720 do well if you can't even get in on your own What the fuck are 1607 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:43.760 you thinking? You gotta go in lying. You need to lie on your 1608 01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:47.319 own strength. Exactly when you get in there, you're better at lying and 1609 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:55.439 you won't get fired exactly, right for you, girl boss, That's such 1610 01:45:55.439 --> 01:46:00.680 a good point, all right. Insomniac Games has confirmed it's the nain Spider 1611 01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:05.000 Man going forward is Miles. Morales. Games confirm this said Peter Parker will 1612 01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:08.600 take a back seat, but will still be involved in the story. Miles 1613 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:12.119 development as a character was a key factor in the decision, as he has 1614 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.640 grown more confident and capable over the course of the story. They kind of 1615 01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:18.439 explained their thinking here, and they explain like how that naturally happened throughout Marvel's 1616 01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:23.479 Spider Man two. There was a reaction to this from weird comic book people 1617 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:27.880 and Spider Man fans like good, I hope they can't sleep, and they're 1618 01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.000 also just dumb as hell. There's no way that Peter Parker is not going 1619 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.560 to be deeply involved in the next given dies. He will still be involved 1620 01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:40.880 in against comics the Jedi Ghost of Peter Parker Will Miles. Yeah, they'll 1621 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:44.159 definitely by the way to make that happen. But there's like plenty of threads 1622 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:46.439 left over that they need to close up. All they're saying is that Miles 1623 01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:49.079 Morales is more interesting than Peter Parker at this point, and they're correct, 1624 01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:53.199 Yes, of course that's correct. Well, also, like the place a 1625 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:55.760 game says that, so it's like not a big deal. The Peter Parker 1626 01:46:55.840 --> 01:47:00.199 story has been told to death at this point, right, like continued what 1627 01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:08.199 happened to his uncle? Is he? Okay? One to tell you Uncle 1628 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.840 Ben doesn't make it that far. It's like, and the story you once 1629 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.119 again, it's like, man, this is too much for Peter Parker and 1630 01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:16.079 he needs a break. It's like, yeah, I mean, that's that's 1631 01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:18.760 the story of Peter Parker. They did it again. They're gonna do a 1632 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:21.880 third game. What what do you do with that character? You do that 1633 01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:26.479 again, like that's what happens with Spider Man. They probably are like, 1634 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:29.640 no, let's kind of leave that behind and do some new stuff with Miles 1635 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:32.439 Morales. We find that more interesting in the storytelling. You me bone saw 1636 01:47:33.079 --> 01:47:36.760 Oh yeah, where's he at. That's why I love uh Peter Parker in 1637 01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:44.479 that New Spider verse where he's just sort of like this Dad's just like yeah, 1638 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:46.359 it's just like, go do your thing, Miles. That's great. 1639 01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:50.720 Uh. Embracer co O leaves on a high note. Wait, no, 1640 01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:56.760 that's that's not right. H Angel Struk, the CEO of Embracer Group, 1641 01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:59.920 has confirmed his departure from the company. He said that he is grateful for 1642 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.239 time there and it's excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. He also acknowledged 1643 01:48:03.239 --> 01:48:05.840 that the last year has been rough for the company, but he is positive 1644 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:10.760 and Ambracer will come out stronger in the future. Departure comes during a difficult 1645 01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:15.039 year for the company where they've had a lot of layoffs, some studio closures, 1646 01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:20.159 and just bad financial report after bad financial report. Embracer is the one 1647 01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:23.680 where it's like, how do you even talk about this? Because everyone this 1648 01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:26.800 entire time has been saying exactly what happened here? It's a wow. They 1649 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:29.720 seem to be spending a lot of money and don't seem to have a vision 1650 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.479 for what to do with all these things they're acquiring. Yep, that's what 1651 01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:36.000 happened. Here, they had a lot of cheap capital. They took that 1652 01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:40.239 money, they spent it, acquired a lot of stuff. Then capital got 1653 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:43.239 expensive and they needed that capital keep being cheap so they could pay for everything 1654 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:47.680 that they already acquired, let alone do new acquisitions. And they don't have 1655 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:51.439 any real way to turn that into something that is going to sustainable. It's 1656 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:56.560 not even like on the table really sustainability for what they've done here to the 1657 01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:00.640 point where they have had multiple successful games in the last year and that has 1658 01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:04.560 not helped them whatsoever. So uh, yeah, he's getting out of dodge. 1659 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:09.000 It feels like he is starting his own company, those stream K games. 1660 01:49:09.079 --> 01:49:13.039 I think that's what it's called. Good luck with that. I'm sure 1661 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.760 that they're still capital out there for starting up new things, but I don't 1662 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.359 know. Yes, Embracer, like we have not the other shoe is not 1663 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:23.600 fully dropped there, right, Yeah, I mean they're they're just you know, 1664 01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:28.520 they've been announcing like new rounds of layoffs at various companies pretty much like 1665 01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:31.279 for months now. That's right. They what I heard they were thinking of 1666 01:49:31.319 --> 01:49:35.359 selling Gearbox. That could still happen. Yep, that would obviously be pretty 1667 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:40.800 massive, And yeah, like also just the impacts on these companies that have 1668 01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:44.000 sustained layoffs we have yet to see, because that will only really show itself 1669 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:46.640 down the line in terms of how games are impacted in things of that nature. 1670 01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:49.840 But no, I mean, like, I think I just find it 1671 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:53.800 really funny that, like in particular, he's like, however, I'm going 1672 01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:58.000 to stay in games despite like you know, being at least partially responsible for 1673 01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:02.159 one of the biggest implosure of any game company in the past like half decade 1674 01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:05.000 at least. Like, what are gonna do now? Yeah, strunk, 1675 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:13.399 I've killed before and I'll kill again. Oh just real quick, I gotta 1676 01:50:13.439 --> 01:50:15.920 go. I have to hit a bus. Unfortunately, no problem. Thanks 1677 01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:17.000 for hanging out great. I appreciate it. A lot of fun matters. 1678 01:50:17.319 --> 01:50:19.439 I've always always a pleasure. Let me know if you guys want to stream 1679 01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:23.399 after life. Oh yeah, yeah, well you know, all right, 1680 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:28.000 bye, all right, and then let's see your last story. Fortnite's popular 1681 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:31.600 I had forty four million players over twenty four hour period after reintroducing its original 1682 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:35.640 map, and it had a concurrent player count of six point one seven million 1683 01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:41.119 people on the Saturday after they did that. Seems like a good position. 1684 01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:44.119 You know, it's also maybe, oh, this is the thing to get 1685 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.760 people excited going back to the original thing, So can they build on that 1686 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.159 in any meaningful way. That seems like a tough thing to do. But 1687 01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:53.119 it's better to have a lot of players than not to have them, so 1688 01:50:53.359 --> 01:50:56.479 I think they probably mostly take this as a good sign. Do you guys 1689 01:50:56.479 --> 01:51:00.039 hop back into Fortnite for the og map at all? Yeah? I guess 1690 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:05.960 I missed that one. I did play Fortnite, although I guess like it 1691 01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:10.159 kind of reminds me of like the dilemma of like World of War Wow and 1692 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:13.359 Wow Classic. Yeah, but like you know, Wow Classic initially generated like 1693 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:15.079 more interest than Wow I'd seen in years. It was this huge thing, 1694 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:19.840 but like you know, Wow Wow remains popular the newer stuff. It feels 1695 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:23.479 like, you know, it's just not generated the same amount of interest over 1696 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:27.199 time, And it feels like for Whattnite might have also hit that stage now 1697 01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:29.479 or like people are you know, it still has its core base, and 1698 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:32.439 the core base is enormous, yes, and fairness, but like you know, 1699 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:36.000 it's pretty telling that the thing that drew everybody back was nostalgia for five 1700 01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:41.319 years ago, right, I think the lesson here is just stay old and 1701 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:45.520 shitty, like like roadblocks. That thing's been old and shitty since two thousand 1702 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:47.119 and six and it's doing just fine. That makes all the money in the 1703 01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:51.760 world. So yeah, uh. Runescapes another one that did, like RuneScape 1704 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:56.640 Classic that did really well. Right, Yeah, so, I mean you 1705 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:00.359 talked about this briefly yesterday during game mes Grub, but like, wow, 1706 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:03.520 is making a weird resurgence with the youth. Yeah, wow, it seems 1707 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:06.560 to be doing Okay. My partner teaches freshmen in high school and some of 1708 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:10.680 her kids were talking about Wow, like it was like a cool retro thing 1709 01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:14.520 and then a pain of the inside. Yep. I think young streamers are 1710 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:15.359 playing a lot of it. And yeah, I was gonna say, or 1711 01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:19.000 they just saw watch Asmon Gold, who was not young at all, but 1712 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:23.560 that's not the young hips. But yes, he definitely has a huge audience. 1713 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:29.039 Yeah yeah, all right, that does it for the news. I'm 1714 01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:30.840 heading this show back over to you, Jan. Thank you. Wow, 1715 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:34.800 this this is full of news. It's great. I'm gonna moist. It's 1716 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:39.600 very moist. You know. It's a little tacky, just like a tacky 1717 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:41.520 bread dough. You got to need it a little bit, so we're gonna 1718 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:45.359 take any time that's just marijuana resin. Sorry about that. Oh oh okay, 1719 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:47.920 okay cool? Uh Nathan, you think you can hang out for the 1720 01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:50.560 last seg if you got a dip, no worries dog? Yeah, sure, 1721 01:52:50.840 --> 01:52:55.199 all right, okaytastic, All right. Well we'll see you after a 1722 01:52:55.279 --> 01:53:04.239 quick breaking break and we're back. Emails. These are the emails for the 1723 01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:13.600 show. Emails. You can send your emails to BombCast giant bomb dot com 1724 01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:15.760 and I will read every single one of them and I'll cherish them. I 1725 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:19.199 print some out and I put it in a little folder I put and I 1726 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:23.319 bury that folder. Every day. I dig it back up and then I 1727 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:26.439 rebury it. And then I think about how one day I might get a 1728 01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:30.760 fun little email tree uh planted by all of us. He doesn't understand a 1729 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.560 lot of things, guys. This is just uh No, I'm just incredibly 1730 01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:36.880 charming. And then I just disarm people with it, and I speak with 1731 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:42.479 a lot of confidence. So it gets me a lot of places. Steve 1732 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:46.880 in a, I'm gonna assume Kansas City rights in goes Hey, BombCast crew. 1733 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:50.199 As we head into this holiday season, I can think of one thing 1734 01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:55.119 that can bring joy to the heart of all gamers. Bobby Kottick is losing 1735 01:53:55.159 --> 01:54:00.159 his job this January. Well, I couldn't find multiple stories agreeing to his 1736 01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:03.159 his total compensation. Most articles I read agree he's paid. He's paid a 1737 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:09.119 lot, somewhere north of one hundred million. It made me wonder once he 1738 01:54:09.199 --> 01:54:12.680 is no longer employed, what will Microsoft do with all that money? I 1739 01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:15.000 guess Phil Spencer could just pay himself more as it possible. It goes towards 1740 01:54:15.039 --> 01:54:19.800 paying off lawsuits from former employees, but could it be reinvested towards game development? 1741 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:24.920 So my real question is how many game development teams could one hundred million 1742 01:54:25.079 --> 01:54:29.319 fund every year? Is there a dream ip from Activision backlog you would like 1743 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:33.520 to see Microsoft revive? Thanks Steven Kansas City. I mean, you know 1744 01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:38.319 it's it's variable, but you think about one hundred million dollars per year, 1745 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:42.239 and then you think, like, what is the average developer paid, even 1746 01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:46.119 like a high and like a very expensive city like Los Angeles or the Bay 1747 01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:49.720 Area, and those are one hundred hundred fifty thousand dollars on the high end. 1748 01:54:50.199 --> 01:54:54.119 That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people you could probably 1749 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:58.880 make several studios with that. I don't necessarily think all that money goes right 1750 01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:02.159 to that, so I think some of it probably does, but they're gonna 1751 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:05.279 have some other cost transition costs that they'll probably do with that money. And 1752 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:09.039 they also wouldn't I don't think they would hate, you know, starting to 1753 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:13.560 pocket some of that stuff or using it to pay off any interest on any 1754 01:55:14.039 --> 01:55:15.600 you know, they had a lot of money in the bank that they used 1755 01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:17.479 to pay for this, but they might have financed some of it, and 1756 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:20.479 using some of that money to pay that stuff off might be reasonable. But 1757 01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:26.720 yeah, I think the point here is that they bought Activision Blizzard King for 1758 01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.560 sixty nine billion dollars and they think they're going to get a lot more value 1759 01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:32.920 out of that than what it costs them. And part of it is like 1760 01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:36.239 they can use that they can use that company in a more efficient way than 1761 01:55:36.319 --> 01:55:41.439 Bobby Kottock and it's a board of directors could have and this is part of 1762 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:44.800 that. So like they already have you know, leadership in place, they've 1763 01:55:44.840 --> 01:55:48.399 already been kind of streamlining that stuff a little bit with bringing ZeniMax in under 1764 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:53.000 Microsoft Gaming in a way that it wasn't before and just recently that happened. 1765 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:56.000 So yeah, they'll probably take a lot of that money and use it in 1766 01:55:56.039 --> 01:56:00.680 waste much better ways than Activision Blizzer was using it and just paying Bobby Cottick. 1767 01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:04.359 Yeah, I hey, Microsoft, if you want to just park that 1768 01:56:04.359 --> 01:56:12.239 one hundred million dollars somewhere right here, big Phil cut the check, got 1769 01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:15.239 the check, Phil? I know, man, I probably know. You 1770 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:17.399 know what. I don't want to back up grub statement that I don't know 1771 01:56:17.439 --> 01:56:21.000 a lot because people will find out that I don't know a lot. Uh 1772 01:56:21.399 --> 01:56:25.439 next, cute? You know. That's what I'm here for. That's why 1773 01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:30.039 we keep me around. Jerry in Wisconsin rights in. Jerry asks, Hey 1774 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:33.680 bombers. Over the last few days, I've been thinking about the insane quality 1775 01:56:33.760 --> 01:56:38.760 and quantity of games released in twenty twenty three, so much that I started 1776 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:43.199 my own list of the forgotten games of this year and plan A sentit y'all, 1777 01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:46.039 And then I remembered that there was only one gaming thing that this year 1778 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:54.640 that was truly actually forgotten by literally everyone, The PSVR two. Thank Christopher, 1779 01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:58.800 what is that? Thanks by Jerry and Wisconsin. I completely forgot that 1780 01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:00.319 came out this year. I mean I was thinking about it, but like 1781 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:03.239 the idea that it came out this year. Yeah, I concretely forgot that. 1782 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:10.239 No, the Jerry's right, there are I bet you there are easily 1783 01:57:10.479 --> 01:57:15.000 fifteen to twenty games that would be floating way closer to the surface had this 1784 01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:20.720 been a normy gaming year. And uh, this was just not This was 1785 01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:25.560 just not the year to be discovered. I guess. Yeah, for be 1786 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:28.880 an indie darling, this was not the right time for that, unfortunately. 1787 01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:33.640 Yeah, I mean I'm enjoying humanity. I died. Someone mentioned Chia in 1788 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:38.640 Chata. I loved Chia. Wait Chield was this year? Yeah, it 1789 01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:44.199 was this thing? Fuck at you was like early they were I think, 1790 01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:46.880 okay, that's they listen to. I honestly don't remember because I don't remember. 1791 01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:50.359 Yes, March, what the fuck man, It's not even like that 1792 01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:54.960 earlier. That's like yeah, so I mean, but it's like this, 1793 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:57.199 Yeah, you're right, this is a year with the games like that didn't 1794 01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:00.920 have a much tougher time kind of standing out for long periods of time. 1795 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.880 I still I love these games. Yeah, I think about even like El 1796 01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:09.239 Paso else elsewhere, Yeah, came out recently. Very max Pain inspired, 1797 01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:13.399 but it's also sharing real estate literally with Alan Wick two from Remedy, a 1798 01:58:13.479 --> 01:58:15.439 game which onto itself doesn't seem to be getting as much pick up as it 1799 01:58:15.479 --> 01:58:19.880 normally would in any other year. So it's like they're they're like layers to 1800 01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:23.319 this, and you know, if you work your way down, it's like, 1801 01:58:23.359 --> 01:58:26.359 man, yeah, a lot of games probably deserve to be getting more 1802 01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:31.000 attention than they are. You could you could go and like fake re release 1803 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:34.840 your game in twenty four. I feel like with decent success, I would 1804 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:41.479 imagine like, yeah, man, it really is jam packed. A Game 1805 01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:45.920 of Next Year edition, that's sick. I mean, why not, like 1806 01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:51.479 there's no rules surprise drop your game that is already out exactly. It's like, 1807 01:58:51.520 --> 01:58:56.039 hey and that's out, Like you could pretend like you're ramping up for 1808 01:58:56.119 --> 01:58:59.800 it again and then all of a sudden and it's available today. Guess what, 1809 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:02.119 you can play this right now. It's super good too, because people 1810 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:04.680 people would be like, wait, didn't this come out last year? And 1811 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:09.800 you can be like, no, it turns out you've forgotten you are wrong 1812 01:59:10.840 --> 01:59:15.239 this one. Grobas there we go. I mean that's what the gaming industry 1813 01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:19.840 should just do. Uh, all right, Keith from San Diego rights in 1814 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:26.279 and uh they ask. With so many of Nintendo's franchises having releases this year, 1815 01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:30.319 it appears obviously Nintendo will launch the Switch successor with a three D Mario 1816 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:33.640 platformer or a Mario Kart. But if you had to dream, what lesser 1817 01:59:33.680 --> 01:59:39.560 property would you want launching alongside the console, wave Race would be my would 1818 01:59:39.600 --> 01:59:44.159 be my vote, Keith san Diego hashtag let link talk man. Wave Race 1819 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:45.640 is a good one. I would love that. I would I'd be great 1820 01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:49.119 to go back to the old way of like pilot Wings being the the tech 1821 01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:51.920 demo showcase that they would be like, here's how the system's going to work. 1822 01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:55.000 Let's do a pilotling. So I'm like, yeah, I'm fine with 1823 01:59:55.039 --> 01:59:59.439 that. But Wave Race ten eighty, Excite Bike or anything from the Excite 1824 01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:02.920 series been like Excite box spots or Excite trucks. That would be cool to 1825 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:08.880 see back. But yeah, wave Race is probably the right answer. Okay, 1826 02:00:08.920 --> 02:00:13.520 okay, arms, arms, legs, let's get legs. The sequels 1827 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:17.359 Star Tropics, I'll say Star Tropics for Mike Hips, give me hips. 1828 02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:24.520 The game The Unirasers is good too. I'd like to say Unirasers come back. 1829 02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:27.720 That'd be cool. Yeah, yeah, I could go for that. 1830 02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:31.760 Kevin from Chicago Rights and Hey Duders. So I have a really weird situation 1831 02:00:31.880 --> 02:00:35.560 and wanted to know if anyone else had something similar. I was diagnosed with 1832 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:41.279 colo rectal cancer last late last year. Sorry, I'm fully cancer free today, 1833 02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.680 so there's no fantastic don't need to be super sad ending Uh well, 1834 02:00:45.760 --> 02:00:47.840 happy for you, keV. And the first step of my treatment was eight 1835 02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:53.399 rounds of aggressive chemotherapy. This meant every two weeks I would at chemo via 1836 02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:58.199 ivy for around six to seven hours at the cancer center. During that time, 1837 02:00:58.199 --> 02:01:00.159 I'd honestly have a lot of time to kill and thought, hell yeah 1838 02:01:00.319 --> 02:01:06.079 video games. I'd always play around around an hour of Marvel Snap short games, 1839 02:01:06.159 --> 02:01:10.239 good progression, not a ton of brain power focus needed. I ended 1840 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:14.039 up dropping a game about six months ago, and today tried to boot it 1841 02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:16.079 back up again to see what was new, et cetera. As soon as 1842 02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:19.680 I opened the game, I suddenly got super nauseated and almost threw up. 1843 02:01:20.000 --> 02:01:24.960 This happened two or three times over the course of a few days, because 1844 02:01:25.000 --> 02:01:28.560 I was like, there is no way this is happening. But sure as 1845 02:01:28.800 --> 02:01:32.039 shit. I literally cannot play the game anymore because it makes me physically feel 1846 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:35.960 ill, like my bodies fully associate this game with these side effects of chemo 1847 02:01:36.199 --> 02:01:40.399 what. It's a surreal experience, but I honestly don't think I can ever 1848 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:44.760 play that game again. Has anyone ever had such a strong emotions tied to 1849 02:01:44.800 --> 02:01:47.279 a game that they couldn't play it anymore? Love you guys, Kisses on 1850 02:01:47.319 --> 02:01:50.239 the cheek for everyone. And lastly, your body feels off, talk to 1851 02:01:50.239 --> 02:01:56.039 your doctor Kevin from CHATSK. That's incredible advice, that last line, Like 1852 02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:59.600 absolutely, you know when something feels weird, talk, you know, go 1853 02:01:59.600 --> 02:02:05.159 get it, don't sit on it. I've never had this. Like the 1854 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:10.319 only thing I can associate with the idea of like something turning you off in 1855 02:02:10.359 --> 02:02:13.680 that kind of way is like a food thing just because it like will make 1856 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:16.239 you ill, right like if you had food poison. Like I remember many 1857 02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:20.000 years ago, I had like a shrimp situation where like I had some bad 1858 02:02:20.039 --> 02:02:24.680 shrimp and I couldn't eat srimp for two years, right anytime I saw shrimp. 1859 02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:27.760 So like that's what I'm trying to I'm trying to find that connection. 1860 02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:30.920 But I don't know with a game. I mean, Kevin have a unique, 1861 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:38.000 very unique relationship with that game, so that yeah, I don't know. 1862 02:02:39.239 --> 02:02:41.560 Yeah, I don't think it's happened with me in a game either. 1863 02:02:41.640 --> 02:02:44.600 But I did get in a lot of trouble for a bad thing I did 1864 02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:48.000 when I was watching Bourne Ultimatum. And now I can't watch Burne Ultimatum anymore. 1865 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:51.760 Okay, Well that's gonna have to be explained. And I'm like, 1866 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:56.319 if someone calls into the voicemail dumb Truck, I will admit to my literal 1867 02:02:56.359 --> 02:03:00.279 crime on there. If I comes to that you did have crimes with Marble 1868 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:02.039 Snap too, I believe so. Well, yeah, in my driveway, 1869 02:03:02.119 --> 02:03:05.000 Yes, I drove down the back of my driveway while playing Marvel Snap. 1870 02:03:05.000 --> 02:03:11.279 But listen, that's just cool dude stuff. You were smoking a cigarette exactly. 1871 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:14.399 We're in sunglasses. The block out so much fish I couldn't see anything. 1872 02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:17.239 So yeah, and it was at night and no Seabell, No, 1873 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:23.600 what are those four? I think? I probably like there's it's more so 1874 02:03:23.920 --> 02:03:28.000 music that I'll have like adverse reaction to where I can't listen to this anymore 1875 02:03:28.039 --> 02:03:30.520 because like I associate it with a person or like a specific time in my 1876 02:03:30.560 --> 02:03:35.039 life. I can't say that with a I don't think I could say that 1877 02:03:35.039 --> 02:03:39.479 with a game. Yeah. Also, music is like very heavily tied to 1878 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:42.560 the same part of your brain. The process is like memory in general, 1879 02:03:43.159 --> 02:03:45.399 So it stands to reason that, yeah, you're gonna have a lot of 1880 02:03:45.439 --> 02:03:48.840 associations there. Oh sorry, no, no, no, Nathan, please, 1881 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:51.640 I was gonna say, I don't think I have a game. But 1882 02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:57.520 once in college, for like a sci fi class, we were watching the 1883 02:03:57.560 --> 02:04:01.960 movie The Island. What If I think, Greg, Yeah, and there's 1884 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:06.399 a scene in that movie where a character is like getting his chest saw it 1885 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:13.399 open. He's like one of the clones that they're harvesting organs from spoiler and 1886 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:19.680 like the viscerality of like his helplessness caused me to pass out. Like it 1887 02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:24.920 was not a particularly violent scene, despite having describing it like it's like a 1888 02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:28.439 hologram saw so like it did. There's no gore. Really, it's just 1889 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:30.239 like but you know, he's he like wakes up during the process and like 1890 02:04:30.279 --> 02:04:33.600 panics and freaks out and it's just like very upsetting and so yeah, it's 1891 02:04:33.640 --> 02:04:36.840 just like watching this movie in a class full of other students and like one 1892 02:04:36.880 --> 02:04:40.920 moment, I'm just like, you know, watching it but feeling uneasy, 1893 02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:45.199 And the next moment it's like I blinked on the m sideways and everyone is 1894 02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:49.079 surrounding me, and I'm like did something happen? And like you passed out? 1895 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:54.760 Wow? Have you passed out from stuff like that before? No? 1896 02:04:55.439 --> 02:04:59.600 And never again? No, never again, first and only time. W 1897 02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:02.560 When I think of the Island, I think of what was what was the 1898 02:05:02.600 --> 02:05:08.880 main actress's name, Black Widow. I remember her telling the story about like, 1899 02:05:09.279 --> 02:05:12.000 uh, there was a scene where she wakes up in bed and Michael 1900 02:05:12.039 --> 02:05:15.079 Bay wanted her to be wanted her to be shirtless, but didn't want her 1901 02:05:15.079 --> 02:05:16.319 to be fully nude, so he made her like wake up in a bra 1902 02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:19.520 and she's like he doesn't realize how crazy that is to have a woman sleep 1903 02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:24.319 in her bra. Like, yeah, Michael Bay doesn't understand a lot of 1904 02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:29.319 things. Yeah, that is a very like sobering story. Also that that 1905 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:30.800 movie is exactly like the M S T. Three K episode parts of the 1906 02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:33.760 Clonus Horror, So I also think about that, But that's just for me. 1907 02:05:34.159 --> 02:05:38.640 It's a good episode. People shall watch that. Damn. I have 1908 02:05:38.760 --> 02:05:42.279 a fear of passing out. I've never passed out, but I have a 1909 02:05:42.319 --> 02:05:46.479 fear of passing out. What's that called frational? No, well, no, 1910 02:05:46.520 --> 02:05:49.840 I don't think it is rational, Jeff. I think it's a scary 1911 02:05:49.880 --> 02:05:53.640 thing because like people, it does happen to people, right, Like, 1912 02:05:53.680 --> 02:06:05.279 you know, there's but if you're driving a vehicle like something like if you 1913 02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:09.840 were to suddenly like I don't know, something like paying attention to your body 1914 02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:13.239 when you're doing something like operating like heavy machinery, I think that's a fair 1915 02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:16.640 thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, but no, like 1916 02:06:17.199 --> 02:06:21.920 for a reason right where like Nathan like passed that because you saw something that 1917 02:06:23.039 --> 02:06:26.319 was like traumatic and you just that's how you reacted, like woops, you 1918 02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:28.800 know that's what happened. They did. They did make me sit down in 1919 02:06:28.840 --> 02:06:31.520 the delivery room when we had because there was what they did a procedure. 1920 02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:34.560 They're like, oh, a lot of men pass out during this. You're 1921 02:06:34.640 --> 02:06:39.039 not allowed to do it. You have to. It was yeah, there 1922 02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:43.680 was some that's you know, terbicy blast. But yeah, so it was 1923 02:06:43.920 --> 02:06:45.680 kind of like, oh I was I think I would have been fine, 1924 02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:48.239 but it's like they it must happen, so frequently that you know, like 1925 02:06:48.279 --> 02:06:50.439 this is the part where you sit in the chair, Sir. I'm like, 1926 02:06:50.439 --> 02:06:53.800 OK, I got that problem too, Like, sir, you might 1927 02:06:53.800 --> 02:07:00.000 want to look away. Like I watched Jaws when I was eight years old. 1928 02:07:01.159 --> 02:07:06.199 Braiders are the lostark freak me the I can handle anything, I think. 1929 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.800 God damn. Last week I believe it was last week we started talking 1930 02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:23.560 about juice and games. Let's go. Jeff from Quebec City wants to introduce 1931 02:07:23.600 --> 02:07:28.159 a new concept high BombCast. Last week, Jeremy from Montreal wrote in about 1932 02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:31.640 Juicy games and being from Quebec City, I'm now obligated to start beef with 1933 02:07:31.720 --> 02:07:35.239 him, but since we're Canadians and don't fight, I'm just gonna ask about 1934 02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:41.640 lean games. What's the leanest game you can remember? To find his games 1935 02:07:41.640 --> 02:07:45.319 so perfect and to the point that there's absolutely no element left to be cut. 1936 02:07:45.720 --> 02:07:49.680 Every part is essential, Nothing is superfluous for me. It's titles like 1937 02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:57.079 Into the Breach two in Portal. Cheers Jeff from Quebec City. Huh, 1938 02:07:57.279 --> 02:08:00.479 Hades is the first thing that pops up here. I say anything from Super 1939 02:08:00.479 --> 02:08:05.600 giantre also Pire is super underrated. I still think it's super Giant's best game. 1940 02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:07.880 Oh wow, and like it's it's leaner in terms of length, like 1941 02:08:07.920 --> 02:08:11.079 Haitis can be like one hundred hours, you know, whereas Pire is like 1942 02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:16.199 pretty tight and compact you can finish it in fifteen but like everything fits perfectly 1943 02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:22.119 into place. Hmm yeah, I'm like good, Like I think of examples, 1944 02:08:22.319 --> 02:08:24.600 like they're also still pretty juicy, like like, uh, people a 1945 02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:31.119 pointing out Pegel, But I suppose that's still I think it's still maybe fits 1946 02:08:31.159 --> 02:08:33.119 this definition because it's like you take anything away from pegl pegel, you're going 1947 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:35.520 to be losing a lot. All the parts that are there are there for 1948 02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:39.960 a reason. I don't know. I keep going to pubg but I think 1949 02:08:39.000 --> 02:08:43.800 that's a different thing where that's like that is a utilitarian, which is different 1950 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:46.319 than lean. I think. So yeah, I don't know if I haven't 1951 02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:50.000 answer Celeste. Oh yeah, that's a really good one. Yes, yeah, 1952 02:08:50.199 --> 02:08:56.000 that's a lean game. Yeah yeah, I love Celeste. What's uh, 1953 02:08:56.199 --> 02:09:01.399 you know there's almost a lean game is vv vv V the game where 1954 02:09:01.399 --> 02:09:05.640 you're like reversing gravity. There's there's a couple of stuff to be cut from 1955 02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:09.159 that, but like it's almost lean enough. Oh man, do you remember 1956 02:09:09.319 --> 02:09:13.479 from like the same era, Cannibal. Yeah, yeah, that was a 1957 02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:20.119 really good games, like when N plus was a thing. Plus is almost 1958 02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:24.159 a lean game. Super meat Boy is like getting lean. It's like a 1959 02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:31.600 skinny fat game. Yeah, it is me, you know, because an 1960 02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:37.520 old one Robotron, that's a good call. Robotron is just like it's component 1961 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:39.439 parts early dual stick shooter kind of thing. Yeah, that's a good one. 1962 02:09:41.399 --> 02:09:45.000 Miami. That game, like with so many other games too that like 1963 02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:54.720 try to be similarly lean. I think Eight Out heavily inspired the drama like 1964 02:09:54.720 --> 02:09:58.239 that. It's also so juicy, but yeah, it's also procedural based on 1965 02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:01.800 like what you're doing. The soundtrack, just build reactive. It's the best. 1966 02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:05.439 It's so Yeah, not enough people played that game. Anybody in chat 1967 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:07.960 who has not played that, like, go buy it on Steam right now. 1968 02:10:07.279 --> 02:10:11.239 You won't not regret it. It is. It's all phenomenal, especially 1969 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:13.640 if you like things like hot like Miami. It's got like grabbing guys and 1970 02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.039 throwing them like you're gonna like you you're an ape. You're an ape and 1971 02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:22.840 you throw people. It's great. Would you say the like NBA Jam is 1972 02:10:22.920 --> 02:10:26.159 a lean game or a juicy. See, this is what's happened. This 1973 02:10:26.199 --> 02:10:28.880 is what's happened with the Juicy game, where we were just like, after 1974 02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:33.079 a while, we just get like cultivated so much momentum. We're just like 1975 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:39.079 every game is leany you know, we're just like, what are we defining 1976 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:45.279 anymore? But yeah, NBA lean as hell, because like I would say, 1977 02:10:45.319 --> 02:10:50.720 def Jam Fight for New York is like right in between a juicy game 1978 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:56.560 and game sure I think, mechanically lean, where so it has the wrestling 1979 02:10:56.640 --> 02:11:01.520 interactions that you need that are to make that work, and then all of 1980 02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.880 like the the way that the bass music makes the whole screen shake and stuff 1981 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:09.520 like that, and that's part of the fighting. That's pretty juicy. MEDUSA 1982 02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:16.039 Lover sixty nine So a game. Yeah, yeah, okay, fair enough. 1983 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:18.920 All right, that about does it for the emails this week. Once 1984 02:11:18.920 --> 02:11:24.840 again, you can send your emails to BombCast giant bomb dot com. Help 1985 02:11:24.920 --> 02:11:30.079 contribute to my email tree please. My downstairs neighbor does not like that I'm 1986 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:33.520 barging into the backyard now with a toy shovel and bearing a bunch of papers. 1987 02:11:35.079 --> 02:11:39.000 Folk. Their problem, well, yeah, you know what it is. 1988 02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:43.640 It is their problem, folks. We've gone to the shoutouts. Shout 1989 02:11:43.680 --> 02:11:46.159 out God, They're they're pretty tame this week, and I'm proud of all 1990 02:11:46.199 --> 02:11:48.760 of us as a society. I'm proud of us because we had guests and 1991 02:11:48.760 --> 02:11:52.439 everyone was on their best behavior. Thanks everybody. That's right, folks, 1992 02:11:52.479 --> 02:11:58.000 Thank you for not showing who you who. We truly are. Shouts out 1993 02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:01.840 to the discovers from a doc that we make public for a chat to put 1994 02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:03.760 a bunch of shot outs in the middle of the show. 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Let's see, I like watched the show when I 2026 02:14:18.760 --> 02:14:22.079 was a kid, but I don't think I've read any of the books. 2027 02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:26.640 They get very dark, very quickly, and tackle a lot of very adult 2028 02:14:26.720 --> 02:14:33.479 themes, which kind of coincides with what we're talking about PG existentially upsetting stuff. 2029 02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:41.359 Oh yeah, like maybe being stuck as an animal and having to Yeah, 2030 02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:45.960 or like getting stuck as an ant for an extended period of time and 2031 02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:50.520 losing your autonomy and then just being another cog in the machine. Wow, 2032 02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:58.960 animals, Oh that's terrifying, actually, capitals. I mean it's almost as 2033 02:14:58.000 --> 02:15:03.159 if animals should have in the you know the Ya book franchise that took over 2034 02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:07.439 the world because of the adult themes that it tries to conceptualize for children. 2035 02:15:07.479 --> 02:15:11.000 Who knows, Nathan, Thank you so much. For joining us for this 2036 02:15:11.079 --> 02:15:15.720 whole show. Shouts out to Chris person as well. Where can folks find 2037 02:15:15.760 --> 02:15:20.880 you Chris on the internet? After math dot site please plug plug plug plug 2038 02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:24.880 plug. Yeah so yeah, after math dot site, obvious is where you 2039 02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:28.399 should go. Subscribe if you can, because if you give us money, 2040 02:15:28.399 --> 02:15:31.319 we can keep doing the things that we like to do forever. If you 2041 02:15:31.359 --> 02:15:35.279 don't, we will wither and die. And then let's see on Twitter. 2042 02:15:35.359 --> 02:15:39.960 I am at v a h N sixteen. I came up with that name 2043 02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:43.159 forever ago. I regret it, I will that, but I'm stuck with 2044 02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:48.279 it. And let's see Chris is I think okay? His name Papa P 2045 02:15:48.439 --> 02:15:54.359 shoe p A p A p I s h u. Yeah, I've always 2046 02:15:54.399 --> 02:15:58.760 wondered what that's a reference to. Do me? Do? I think he 2047 02:15:58.079 --> 02:16:01.199 mentioned it before? Now I can't remember. Okay, Well, we'll never 2048 02:16:01.319 --> 02:16:05.359 We'll never find It's impossible. He's on a bus now, we'll never talk 2049 02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:09.720 to you. I gonna hear from him again? Yeah yeah uh. And 2050 02:16:09.760 --> 02:16:13.680 then aftermath dot site, folks, please check it out. Beautiful website looks 2051 02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:18.880 great. I love it, Thank you, yes, very very crisp Uh 2052 02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:24.760 Jeff, Jeff, what do we got going on this week. Gays Mornings 2053 02:16:24.000 --> 02:16:28.640 happened for the rest of the week at this point. Uh, well until 2054 02:16:28.159 --> 02:16:33.040 Thursday, because Friday we're off Simmons. Things are gonna get shifted around. 2055 02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:37.040 Wednesday we're doing the Dumb Truck. Thursday BombCast revengeance. Uh, and then 2056 02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:39.280 there'll be some other stuff in there in between. I'll be playing some Allen 2057 02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:43.159 Wake two on the website Tomorrow. I'll be picking up from where I left 2058 02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:46.280 off. So if you started watching along with us from the beginning, we're 2059 02:16:46.280 --> 02:16:48.239 gonna pick up from there back whar you're gonna be hanging out jan you're gonna 2060 02:16:48.239 --> 02:16:52.280 be able to make it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we Either way 2061 02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:54.479 we're gonna be playing. It's gonna be a good time. That'll be tomorrow 2062 02:16:54.559 --> 02:17:00.120 after game Mess Mornings. Yeah, we got some things popping off late in 2063 02:17:00.200 --> 02:17:03.479 the week. And also Thursday, tune in for a BombCast Revengeance. We'll 2064 02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:07.319 have a kind of a fun thing on there that we that's embargoed right now 2065 02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:09.600 so we can't talk about yet. And like what was mentioned in the shout 2066 02:17:09.639 --> 02:17:15.600 outs, this Saturday is the SF team's extra life stream. John Luke is 2067 02:17:16.959 --> 02:17:20.520 doing God's work and setting up a bunch of cables, so go ahead and 2068 02:17:20.600 --> 02:17:24.479 thank them for the shenanigans that are about to ensue this weekend and the next 2069 02:17:24.520 --> 02:17:31.360 weekend. We got the Beef and Shutter Boys joining Dan Reichert and also flying 2070 02:17:31.399 --> 02:17:33.719 in. We got the wind Bag, got win Bag joining us. Yeah, 2071 02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:37.239 it's gonna be a lot of fun. So that'll be next weekend. 2072 02:17:37.280 --> 02:17:39.840 This weekend, starting at nine am, I'll be streaming. Then I'll pass 2073 02:17:39.879 --> 02:17:41.840 it off off the Jan on the West Coast crew, and then the following 2074 02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:46.600 weekend on Saturday, usually kind of during the day mostly we're gonna be streaming 2075 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:48.920 a bunch of stuff from Dance House. He's got a whole bunch of stuff 2076 02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:52.040 set up from us, so that'll be a lot of fun. Look forward 2077 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:56.120 to that, folks. That is it for this week's episode of the Giant 2078 02:17:56.159 --> 02:17:58.920 BombCast. Tune in later for this week for a BCR and we'll see you 2079 02:18:00.239 --> 02:18:03.479 next Tuesday. I've been Jan, he's been Jeff, he's been Jeff, 2080 02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:05.879 he's been Nathan. Chris was here and he was Chris. And you at 2081 02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:11.000 home. Damn, the squats are working. You look great this week. 2082 02:18:11.239 --> 02:18:18.959 We'll see you next time for another episode of the giant bomdcast