Oh, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willis your host. Um
Well I mentioned last week I mentioned that we may have the body language panel
on and those are that's a panel of four experts that actually have looked at
a lot of you know, UFO stories and people in the UFO field and
to try to decide whether it appears that they're telling you know, the truth
about their stories and they it's it's quite remarkable, uh, and not not
just UFO people, but a lot of other people and anyway they couldn't get
it for them all together. They're going to be on in the second or
third week in September. It's gonna be real tricky for a couple of weeks
because the live shows on YouTube are going to be different days. A matter
of fact, I'm going to be recording at a different time as well with
Paul Dean from Australia because of the time difference in date and all that.
So, but next week don't forget because if you watch the Unsolved Mysteries the
Berkshire's UFO next week on the fifty first anniversary of the actual incident, September
first, I will have one of the people that were in that Tom Warner,
he's the artist, great guy. I've spoken to him a number of
times. That comes up just next week. But tonight we have Geraldine Sutton
Stiff and she will be speaking about her family legacy, the Allie Hopkinsville encounter
of nineteen fifty five. Now, this particular incident has fascinated me actually since
day one of looking into this topic. Um, you know, I heard
this bizarre, bizarre story. I'm going to have her, you know,
go through, um the story. So there are, like I mentioned a
number of times on the show, there's a lot of new people, um
that are on this show all the time. So um, it's possible that
you know a lot of people have never heard of this story. So I
will, indeed, you know, have her go through that and and uh,
like I said, it's it's really really crazy and I don't even need
to get into it. She will. Um, don't forget to check out
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And tonight we will be taking calls the last half hour, right,
we do have a break at fifty five minutes four minute break. I'll play
a couple of clips during them for the people listening live in the on YouTube
that is, and in chat. If you have a question for our guests
in chat, I may miss very well miss them. So if you want
me to ask a question, and I'm not saying unnecessarily, will read the
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sense, I will ask the guests. But please do put that in all
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right right up on the screen. Let me just see just like this,
I can post it right up on the screen. So anyway, we are
ready to bring in our guests. And Geraldine, welcome to the show.
Thank you, thank you. So you are you are down in the South,
but you're not in Kelly, I mean you're not in Hopkinsville itself,
or is it Kelly. It get them confused that Kelly Kelly, and Kelly's
outside of Hopkinsville. So why why does it have this this hyphened name of
two names like that, because Kelly is like connected to Hopkinsville. It's it's
in Christian County. It's part of Christian County, just like you know most
little places are that are in the road. You know, it's not very
big, it's just how it's Christian County. So it's part Kelly Hopkinsville.
Yeah, yeah, And so you are the daughter of one of you know,
actually you your siblings were also involved in the time you were You were
born after this happened, but you heard the story so so many times,
but I understand it wasn't something that was easily talked about in your family.
But before we go there and I ask you those type of questions, I
would like for you to, especially for the person that's never heard it.
Can you go right through the story and what happened that night? And that
was back in nineteen fifty five, August twenty first, something like that,
right, yes, yes, okay, O go through it very quickly.
No, no, no need to go quickly with two hours. Oh I
didn't know that. Well, Mike, it's okay, Well let's get into
this then, okay. Of course, like you said, it was August
the twenty first, nineteen fifty five. Well, that weekend what happened was
it was on my grandmother's farm. She owned a little farm. She was
a widow. She had three small children that were twelve, ten, and
seven at the time this happened. It was you know Lonnie Charlton Mary,
also my uncle Jason and aunt I aunt Eileen lived with her to help her
with the small farm. That weekend that this happened, my dad and his
wife at the time, Vera, were stationed in Evansville. They worked with
a carnival. Dad had worked with the carnival ever since he was fourteen years
old, so he'd been there while they decided they were stationed in Evansville,
so they were going to come home for the weekend, spend some time,
see the family, eat some decent food, just enjoy themselves for the weekend.
And when they came, they asked Billy Ray and June Taylor if they
wanted to come along. They were friends that had worked with them. Sure,
why not, Let's get away from this place. So they headed to
Kelly, which is about two hours from Evansville. And so they got there
like on a Friday evening and stayed the weekend. They visited everybody because my
dad had older brothers that lived there in Hopkinsville, and so it was a
whole weekend affair, you know, like hunting and enjoying the time away.
Well, Sunday evening rolled around. Now you've got to realize the evening that
this happened. They were eleven people in this small farmhouse and they were all
in there, and my grandmother and the kids had went to Sunday service.
They had gotten home, and they had eaten, and they were, you
know, quieting down and playing cards and just enjoying the last evening they had
together. And Billy Ray wanted to go out to the well to get some
water. They didn't have running water in the house. They did have electricity,
but not running water. So he goes out to the well. As
he's out there, he hears something up in the sky. Turns to look
and there it is a oval shaped object, silver and color. He described
it as having the colors of the rainbow flowing behind it. Scary him.
He didn't know what it was. We wouldn't know what it is. So
he runs in the house, slams the door and tells everybody, there's something
out here. I don't know what it is. You know, it's not
anything we've ever seen before, you know it really it really frightened him.
Well, the first thing my grandmother thought, being my grandmother, he went
out there to scare the girls, you know, thanks for all young people
in their twenties. Billie Ray's wife was only eighteen or nineteen, and so
that was her first thought. And so she tried to tell him, you
know, maybe it was a shooting star, and he's, no, no,
that's not what it was. I know what those look like. Maybe
it was a met or shower. We've been having those all month. No,
I know what those look like. You know, nothing they threw at
him worked, and so he kept on. So my dad finally told him
so he would calm him down. And he told me, and he said,
well, let's go back out there. Let's just take another look.
He showed me where you saw this. So they walked out to the well.
He points towards the sky, tells him again while he saw. My
dad tries to reason with him again with the same things that they were saying
in the house. The shootings, you know, star all that stuff.
No, no, Lucky, which my dad's nickname was Lucky. No,
it was none of those things. I know what those look like. And
he told him. My dad told him and said, well, listen,
there's nothing out here. Now, let's just go back in the house and
finishing joy in the evening, we got to go back to work. So
as they're walking back towards the house, flowing the home and back where the
woods are along the woodline, comes this little three three and a half foot
tall beam, huge head, big glowing eyes, huge ears, arms down
by their sides, almost touching the ground. And it didn't seem to walk.
It looked like it was floating over the top of the ground. They
didn't know what it was. Ran in the house, slammed the door behind
them. My dad said there is something out here. Know what it is?
We just saw it. The first thing they thought was all right.
Billy Ray un got Lucky out there to join in on the fund to try
to scare the girls, and he kept telling them, now there's something out
here. My grandmother told him to listen, I've got to get these kids
to bed, and you're scaring them. You need to just stop. Well
he wouldn't, and she knew it was really serious. When one grabbed the
rifle, one grabbed the shotgun, one went to the front door, and
one went to the back. So she's thinking, okay, something is going
on here. So she goes to the back door where Billy Ray is and
she goes out there and sits down side in and Billy Ray, what did
you see? He looks at her and he says, Miss Glennie, I
don't know what it was, but I hope it's something that you never have
to see. So they sat there in silence while longer they can hear everybody
in the house, you know, talking and carrying on. Then flowing behold
along the corner of the house. There it is as big as you please,
a little being. My grandmother screams. She falls to the ground.
They all come running and they, you know, help her get up and
ask her what's wrong, and she said, there is something out here.
I just saw it. There is something out here. And as they're out
there talking they hear a shot ring out in the front of the house.
It's Uncle jac He shoots one through the window. Well, Billy Ray goes
running by him, runs out the front door, and there's this little stoop
and as he's standing there looking you can see this clawed hand come down and
try to grab his hair. Well, my aunti Lane grab is yanks him
back in the house. My dad runs out the front door, turned hoards
where the hand came from. There it is setting there. He shoots it,
he hits it, It rolls and floats away. Somebody screams, there's
one in the big tree, because they had these huge maple trees in the
front yard and they're off on the limb there sets one, turns, shoots
it, floats to the ground, rolls, goes away. So they're coming
up to the doors and windows. They're shooting at them. They shoot one
off the back fence. They're shooting them from every direction. They don't seem
to be killing them. They don't seem to be hurting them in any way
because they're rolling and getting up again, coming back. They don't know what
to do. They're scared to death. Don't know what these things are.
This was happening to us, we wouldn't know either. So he tries to
calm everybody down because the kids are crying. Jim's about to lose it.
Don't know what to do, can't kill these things. Don't know what they're
they are four in the first place, where did they come from? He
tries to get them settled down. So he gets them quiet, and they're
sitting there in the house and low and behold, they hear the one going
across the tin roof. They can hear it's nails going across the roof.
Can you hold just one second there? What did they hear? They thought
it was like nails from the claw or something like that. Okay, because
you mentioned that they floated or might have floated, I was thinking, how
could you hear them on the roof if they were floating, right, But
it sounds like the clause that's really they I don't know if if they the
little things knew what they were doing. You know, they were smart enough
to realize if they got up there, maybe if they made a noise,
it would get a reaction. I don't know, none of us know why
they were there or while they were trying to accomplish, you know, and
we just don't know. We never will. But you know, this sends
them all into hysterics. Jim's about to lose it. The kids are crying
again. My dad's trying to get him settle back down and tell him,
I'm no listen, we're gonna get help. We're gonna get to Hopkinspill.
We're gonna get help. And that was in his mind. We've just got
to get help and it'll be okay. So we gets everybody quiet again and
then it gets quiet. There's nothing coming up to the doors and windows.
Finally, so he tells them he is, let's go. So they hit
the truck's head to Hopkinspill. Hopkins Bill's about seven miles down the road.
They get there. This is nineteen fifty five, one little officer on duty.
So they all run in. You've got eleven people from the age of
seven to fifty running in this little police station in the middle of the night,
all of them trying to explain this one little man, what has happened
to him? Of course, he's trying to listen to everybody. He's not
getting at all. He's trying to understand. You're telling me you've got men
attacking your hat else And my dad is trying to tell him, no,
no, no, you're not understanding us. So he tells him, he
says, just just calm down, stay here. So he gets on the
phone. He calls the chief Chief, Rustle Greenwell. The chief tells him
keep them there. You call Fort Campbell because Fort Campbell Army days was just
down the road from Hopkinsville. You call Fort Campbell, you call the paper,
you call the readier, you call anybody. You can't We're going out
to Kelly, so everybody gets there. Here you got this little caravan the
vehicles going out to its dic Kelly in the middle of the night. It's
pitch black, dark nineteen fifty five. You don't have security lights and all
that kind of stuff going on, and it's eerie. They pull up and
the whole place just feels like something's not right. You could tell as they
were pulling up. The car that had some of the police officers in it
saw a glowing substance on that fence where they had shot one. Well,
it was on the ground by the fence, and so they walked up to
it first thing to see if they could tell what it was. Well,
as they walked up to it, the glow went away. When they had
walked away, they could see a glow again. So they can never figure
that one out, but they could tell something happened. There were shotgun or
rifle shells all over the ground outside, all over the inside of the house
would work, and screens were shot up. So if something happened to this
family, that what was it. There wasn't any bodies, no blood,
no appendages of any kind laying around. And the chief, knowing that these
are country boys, they could hit anything, knew whoever they were shooting at
they had to have been hitting. So what was it and did they use?
Was it a shotgun or or the handguns? I mean a shotgun you
have a really broad range. This was a twelve and a twenty gate shotgun
and a twenty two rifle. O twenty two would be a tough one,
but still those shotguns should have hit something. Like I said, I think
these are country boys. They learned how to a hunt by the time they
could walk just about you know, they could shoot a rabbit running, a
squirrel out of a tree, a bird flund and they were actually shooting inside
the house. Yes, that's could you lose your hearing for doing that?
Well? Because they were coming up to the windows, yeah foor and you
know, then being country boys, their thought was, you know, shoot
questions and asked quick and shooting now and ask questions later because they didn't know
what these were. Why were they trying to get in the house in the
first place. If they were trying to get in the house, why were
they trying to get in the house? What were they wanting? Now?
Do you know if there was any like aggression after that, like did they
change the way they were acting and reacting these beings or did they just continue,
like almost like robots, just continue trying to get possibly get in the
house or whatever they were trying to do. They just continued. I mean,
my grandmother thought that maybe something was wrong because when they were coming up
to the windows and doors, they were coming up with their hands raised like
in a gesture of surrender maybe and they didn't have anything on and they weren't
trying to shoot back or trying to get back at them any way. They
were just seemed like they were curious, I guess, yeah, and welcome
to earth, right, Yeah, yeah, did in the wrong place,
fellaws? Yeah, But that's what she thought from the very beginning. Maybe
they just needed help, maybe something was wrong, but they didn't know that
for sure. My dad wasn't gonna take that chance here. It was his
mother, his younger siblings, his wife and in that house, and he
wasn't going to take the chance of not knowing what these things were going to
do if they did come in the house. So you know, that was
his mindset, and that's what he believed, and that's what he did.
He protected what was his. And but anyway, the chief told my grandmother,
she said, Miss Glennie, there's nothing here. We can't find anything.
And what about the glowing substance on the fence or wherever you said it
was. Did that remain and did anyone think to um, you know,
get a sample of it or Now see, that was another thing too,
about this whole story. Nothing the proper protocol wasn't done at all. They
should have went in there and just you know, wrote the whole thing off,
took amples. The next morning there was people from the army based there's
combing the grounds. Really yes see a lot of people don't realize that or
know that. But yes, and what did they do exactly did they?
Were they there a long time? I don't know how long they were there.
I do know that they were there that morning, and you know how
they do it, like so far apart just combing the grounds and what they
did and there was stuff flying overhead. Wow, So you know they were
there, but it just got swept under the rug. You know how bad
is it? Just they didn't want anything to become of this, so they
just got rid of it very quickly, as quickly as they could and just
just let it go. They you know, yeah, you know when the
part where you hear the ridicule, uh when someone's is all little green men,
you know that's what they are. That's what they were, huh or
something like that? Um did is this where that originated? And yes,
parent, little green man, didn't you and all that stuff? This is
where it originated from. A reporter started that little kick because m Kelly,
you know the color Kelly green. Well, it was easy, it sounded
better. Kelly green than Kelly gray. So they were Kelly green, little
Kelly Green man, and so that's where you get the little green man from
sure is. But did they but they were green though, right, weren't?
They weren't green? They were a gray. Oh they were. See
that's the confusion because as you always hear of the Kelly Green men, you
know, yes, oh so the reporter, it's a reporter that kind of
slanted that. Yes, how about that? Huh? They were they were
like they like a gun metal gray. So now, what time of night
did this first happen? He's out at the well and he sees the ship.
But when he actually saw the being the first the first one, was
it dusk? Do you know? Or you know, yeah, it was
it was it was well, you got I think it's August back then central
time, around eight thirty ish's. We're thinking it's probably about the time he
saw this the first, you know, the ship going across the sky.
Now, did did the family members state that they actually got a really really
clear shot? I mean they saw these things really clearly? Oh yeah,
they absolutely all, you know, they were able to go and describe what
they saw, and um, all the drawings there are three drawings out there
that we're drawn. And what they did was they took each one in a
room by themselves and asked about it, and they it was they're almost identical.
I mean yeah, So they each were put in a different room.
And here's here's the one of the drawings of it. Right here. You
can see people on YouTube and it's also for those of you that are listening
to the audio part of this um it's on. It's in the show,
not in the show notes. It's actually in the blogs that we have UM
up that Charles Lear wrote. So this is one of the drawings. And
now I can see why they call them goblins. I mean they get the
big ears, hands hanging down. Wow. And what about those eyes?
Those eyes look really like very circular, like I don't know, not like
bug eyes. But did they talk about I mean, that's that's the when
I've talked to people that, for instance, like Travis Walton or whatever are
the Ariel school, it's the eyes. They always, uh comment on the
eyes. Were the eyes anything in particular that they made any statement about,
Well, well, the eyes I think is actually what saved them because they
had noticed that if they turned a light on or shinned a light tort them
in any way, they'd back off and that more after it was all over
with. Um, the sun was their saving grace because when the sun came
up, that's when they finally left. So they may have had you know,
vision over in large pupils or something that caused them to be very light
sensitive, but you would think that, but they did notice that and they
thank the sun. The next morning was there saving grace because you know,
after everybody left that night, they were left to themselves and they came back.
So um, they started the gunfight again and this lasted until they liked
and they didn't leave until the sun came up. It's amazing. Wow.
So they had one horrific night, yes, uh, but they got through
it. And boy, I wouldn't live. I wouldn't stay in the house
the next day. I'd be so far gone out of there. It was
long. We didn't stay there long after that happened. Yeah, So what
happened actually after after that event, we well, after it all happened.
Um, the next morning, my dad sat the family down and told them
said, listen, said, we need to just forget this ever happened,
because I heard them last night. They were laughing at us. Well,
and he says, no good can come of the story. So he said,
just try to forget it unless just go on with their lives. And
that's what they tried to do. But of course that wasn't going to happen
because you had the people invasion. You had people coming, setting up tents
and stuff out in the yard, spending the night thinking that they would be
back wanting to see them. Now that happened right away, Oh yeah,
the next night. I mean people were coming the next day. They had
no peace, oh wow, and they just set up blatantly, set up
in the yard. Well IoT, all they did, they'd walk through the
house and take souvenirs they were taking. You know, it was a big
thing back then. You know, hey, there was something that came from
somewhere else, We want a piece of it. And he had reporters coming
from everywhere. So did this get the wire? Yeah? So it went
out, It went everywhere. Yeah yeah, I mean people from everywhere were
coming. And if you look up newspaper clips and stuff, California, I
mean everywhere people were wanting to find out about these little beans. And now
my grandmother was scared to death. She didn't know what to do because my
dad, Billy Ray, and the girls had to go back to work,
so she was going to be left there with just the three three kids and
Michael, jac and aunt Aline. She didn't know what she was going to
do, so she sold the farm. Within two weeks she moved into Hopkinsville
to its Yeah, god, so she like it must have been a distress
sale. What they call a distress sale. Will you just sell it for
whatever to get out of there as quick as possible. Well, she actually
sold it to some more family and they've been there with their mom and dad
was scared to death. They didn't want to move into that house they bought
up, but they didn't want to move in. Oh, it isn't And
at the time, my mom and her first husband and their kids lived in
Kelly and she she said it was scary. She she they scared because nobody
knew what things were. And why did they choose that house. It could
have been any of them that they chose. Yeah, they chose that one,
you know. And the fear was would they be back, of course,
and because did they not get what they wanted before, would they be
back? Would they choose a different house. You know that that fear was
there and it lingered for a long time, I bet, And you know,
I mean there's you know why that house or whatever it's it's probably just
a random thing. Again, they happened to choose one. They had some
weapons, but well, anyhow it would have chose back then, would have
been the wrong house probably, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but so so
I totally get that, and you know, it makes me want you know,
the first thing I think of, as of course, if something like
this happened to me, what would I do? As I said, I
would not spend another night there, um, and I would just let the
tourist tourists take over the place, you know, the people looking and but
anyway, yeah, that that that whole thing, and to think of it,
that they put up with as an entire night, and and the little
whatever they were never fought back, but they just were persistent trying to observe
or get in or whatever. And I bet the place was shot up and
beat up really bad. It was. It was an old weatherboard house anyway,
And yeah, the shots through the screens. Of course, the witness
weren't damn they were pulled up so they were shooting through the bottoms because that's
where they were coming up to. They were small and shorts, they were
coming up to the bottoms. So thankfully they were just shooting through the screens.
But yeah, I mean they used almost all their AMMO And that was
another fear too. They were almost out. What were they going to do
if they had run out? Because you gotten in then. But like I
said, saving Grace was a son that morning. Now was it just pure
chaos with the eleven people? You know? I mean were they like screaming
and you know, trying to hiding and what went on during that whole thing?
Do you know? Well, yeah, my dad Well one thing my
dad did is he made Verah take the kids to back bedroom and kind of
stuff them under the bed, try to hide them because you know, he
was afraid for the kids. Glides and the women. I think all of
them went back there in the bedroom to kind of think of it and just
stayed back there with the kids. But you know, of course it was
just chaos. I mean, Danann, we're trying to save everybody. Op
Baker was there too, that is my Auntileen's brother. He was there that
night also and say that they all had guns and they were trying to keep
these things off. And I don't know, I don't I just don't know
what would have happened if my grandmother had been there with just jac and Iileen
and the kids. I just wonder what would have happened then, if that
would have done the same thing, or let him in. Because she was
a type of person that she let him in the door. I think probably
tried to see you, you know, maybe go out there and see,
you know, hey, what's the problem. Mar Gonna help you anyway,
because that's the kind of person she was. Come in for tea. Yeah,
I don't know, but it was scary. I mean, it would
be scary to us. Now. Can you, oh absolutely imagine in your
home and minding your own business, watching TV, and all of a sudden
you look over in the window and there's something staring in at you that you
don't about what it is. Yeah, it sounds like a pure nightmare.
Um. Now, did anyone I know this is probably kind of a strange
question, but did anyone feel like any type of communication of any type?
Did anyone ever talk about that? As far as I know, there was
no communication. Of course, there was so much shooting and stuff going on.
If the portal things tried to open their mouth and they've got it blown
off, I don't know. But they never said they tried to talk to
them. There was never kind There was never any kind of you know thing
going between them. It was just you know, the country boy thing.
Shoot shoot, and here's a here's a you know a question. Someone posted,
Um, was her daughter was there? There's usually dogs on a farm
where they were they there? And were they barking? The people are reacting
dogs? But that was one of the things too. They had no hound
dog. And when when my dad and Delia were coming back into the house
from the well, the old hound dog did run by them, his tail
was stucked, you know, head down, scared to death and ran under
the house and didn't come back out. Oh wow, So he just didn't
come back out. And you know, there were neighbors that heard. They
heard, they could hear the commotion, they could hear my family hollering,
and of course there was some custom going on, believe me, you know,
of course they started hearing the gun fire. You know. Even there
was one neighbor that lived in the back of them, another farm back in
the back, and he heard the commotion starting, and he thought maybe some
of the animals had gotten out, and so he was actually putting on his
boots and grabbing a flashlight. He was going to head out there and try
to help and see if there was something he could do. Then the gut
shots started and he thought, oh, whoa here. You know, if
I go out there, I get hit by a bullet. So yeah,
he turned around went back in the house. Now did anyone else I mean
this, you mentioned that they saw, you know, the colors of the
rainbow or I forget who you said went out to the well, But did
anyone else see that craft at any given time? Whatever? It was not
the people in the house. Now, during the day that day, people
had been seeing different kinds of lights and things in the sky. That night
people were seeing things. In fact, this came out later on after it
all was over with. But I have to describe how this goes. You've
got Kelly, and you've got Hopkins Fille. Then you've got Fort Campbell Army
Base, and above Fort Campbell going north there you've got Clarksville, Tennessee.
And there was lights being seen that nobody knew what they were from Clarksville.
They started in Clarksville, went down to Fort Campbell, went through Hopkinsville,
and went through Kelly. So people were seeing lights that evening, you know,
but nobody you thought anything of it. And I think one reason being
is you've got Fort Campbell ARMI base there, and it seems like if you
live near an army base, the first thing you think is the army base
is doing maneuvers are there, And so I think when you live around that
type of environment, that's the first thing people are thinking, Oh, well,
it's just Fort Campbell doing something. And they didn't think anything more of
it until the word got out that there was something attack in a family.
You know. At first these were called goblins. And the reason they were
called goblins is because my grandmother thought they were goblins something the devil may have
sent forth because she was religious. And you hear that a lot. A
lot of people think, you know, it's it's it's something evil or the
devil. You hear that a lot and encounters. Yeah, definitely heard that
many many times. Now that there's someone made a point, what about wasn't
there an area on the ground that were the well the possibly where the craft
was had landed or something. Um, it's not a burn Was it a
burn mark or something like that? Yes, there was a place on the
ground, and it stayed there for a very long time. And the reason
I know this when my parents got together, they kept this story hid from
us. We didn't known anything about this, and it was a hush hush
thing. Nobody ever said anything about it. We found out by chance.
And that was one Sunday afternoon, it was summertime. This nane and woman
came to our house knocking on the door. I answered the door, and
they asked to talk to my daddy, and so I ran to the back
of the house. Mom and dad were and got them, and they introduced
themselves to all the pleasant trees, and he told them, he says,
mister Sudden, we want to talk about the green men. I was like
eight or nine years old when this happened. This was like sixty eight,
sixty nine, and so this really got me interested because I'm like, green
man, what are they talking about? Because even as young as I was,
I was already into sci fi thing what little sci fither was at the
time, and horror. I love horror, So you know, I thought,
boy, you know this is interesting. So they set us down a
little circle on the floor, me and my younger siblings, and they all
sat down and my dad's started telling this incredible story. Scared me. After
it was done with though, I'd run around the house shutting all the shades
and curtains and windows. These little things. You're to come back and they're
gonna be looking in at us. And the following weekend, my dad took
us to Kelly. He wanted to show us through it all happened. I
guess this was maybe a little closure for him and it all. And the
house was still standing there. Of course it was falling in, but the
family still loaned it. Part of your family still loaned it, yes,
yeah, but they didn't live there obviously. If the well, it had
a trailer sitting in front of See yeah, as trailer was sitting in front
of the house, and well was still there. In fact, it's still
there today. We went to the back of the field. It took us
all the way in the back, and I'll never forget it all. In
the whole there was this round place on the ground where nothing was growing.
Wow, perfect circle on the ground, nothing there, And that just made
it that much more real to me being a kid and hearing this crazy story
than seeing this. It just made it you know, Oh wow, he
really really did go through something that weekend. They all did. Now,
what about the siblings that were actually witnessed this, did they just I don't
know if they were step you know, sisters or brothers to you or whatever
they were, but did they did they talk about it? Or they did
they listen to their dad that night when he's there next morning when he said,
no one talk about this, and they oh, that's they were my
dad's two brothers and little sister m Yeah. Yeah, they're all still alive
today, but they don't talk about it. The oldest one used to um,
but he's gotten to the point where he just doesn't anymore. I think
it's because he forgets some of the stuff. He's close to eighty now,
and the other two they've just simply forgotten about it. They just don't want
to talk about it at all. Uh. And I don't blame them.
It's scary. I don't blame him. You know, it's just too much.
It's just too much for them, you know, it was a part
of their life, all their lives, and I don't blame them for not
wanting to talk about it. I have my good friend Lee Spiegels listening to
the show. He just sent me an image and saying, this is why
so many people descended on the farm. And I'm just going to pop it
up on the screen there. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Yeah,
you've probably seen this a million times, right, I've got it. Yeah.
Yeah, so that's a great clip. And and what when when everyone?
Okay, wow, that's the next day August twenty second, the day
following, and I see there was a joke in there. I missed.
Okay, all right, Lee, I got it, all right. But
anyway, it's just it's just really amazing how this happened, and there was
so much news about it. I mean, I when I first started looking
into this topic, you know, it's one of these stories and I kept
saying, that has got to be the most crazy encounter I've ever heard.
I mean, I can't imagine another encounter like that. I mean, it's
got to be the most bizarre one. Have you ever heard of an encounter
similar to this in any type of way? Not like this one? Though.
Now I've had people come forward and tell me that they've seen little beings
of some kind that resemble or they've heard stories of little beings resembling those,
but not a story quite like this one, not involving eleven people. And
you know then that's another thing too. You've got eleven people that this happened
too, and daven makes it more credible. You know, they stuck with
it. They stuck to their guns with this story. It never changed and
it's something put in the chat room earlier. And I'm aware of this too,
that this is this is like the third case actually the first case of
where people talk about beings floating not quite touching the ground, you know,
I know of like the aerial school incident, that is one of them.
Another one though, was Westall I believe of someone posted, But there's several
cases or this is maybe is the third including this, but of course this
nineteen this is the first time I think anyone actually talked about, you know,
something that was actually floating and not touching the ground. Another bizarre thing.
Yeah, well things bizarre. But let me let me let me just
ask you this because I don't believe you mentioned it. Were there when they
shot these poor little guys. Was there any reaction at all to getting hit
or being shot. The only thing they would do is like fallback row float
away. That was the only thing they would They would actually float away.
Yeah, they were, they were hitting though. I mean they could hear
them. They were. They were pining when they hit them, like a
ten backet, so they knew they were hitting one. They they were hitting
them anyway. I don't care. You got three three and a half a
tall being there, you're going to be a hitting them. You know a
lot of the skeptics, you know, they said it was monkeys or cats
or owls and all that kind of thing. Well, you got to think
these country boys would have been tearing nose to pieces. There wouldn't be nothing
left of them but blood and guts laying everywhere. It had been a living
being of any kind that could be killed, and that's the whole thing.
These things couldnt be killed. They were coming back. That is like of
all the nightmares. There's a question that came in again. If you would
like to ask our guests a question and didn't want to call in, just
put it in all caps and Stephen, thank you for doing that. So
is it true while the chief of police spoke to the grandmother over time,
stated as he convinced something happened because of the grandmother's face of impression of fright.
Yes, he always believed my grandmother. Well, my grandmother was known
in the community. She was a god fearing woman. She wouldn't have lilied
if he'd cut her arm off, That's how she was. And of course
there was fear. There was fear in all of them. I mean they
were all showing some kind of fear because it was downright scary. And the
chief believed it. Also because he had experienced his own thing a couple of
years before that. He had seen something he couldn't explain, and so he
knew there was a possibility that something was going on there. He knew something
happened. It was too much. Did he ever get into details of what
he saw. Well, he was on the way home from his sisters,
and she lived on the lake. I don't know. It was like Barkley
or somewhere down that way, Kentucky Lake, Well, I think it was
Kentucky Lake. Anyway, he was on his way home from there and traffic
had stopped in the road. I mean there was like I think it was
like fifty or more, fifty seventy five or more vehicles just stopped in the
road. Of course, everybody was out looking at something, so of course
he gets out too, because it can't go anywhere anyway. There in the
sky, it's this huge flying object of some sort, just setting there in
the sky and not moving. Nobody could explain what it is. It's some
kind of craft and it just sets there. And I forget how long it's
set there. It was several minutes if they all set there just watching it
do nothing, and it finally left, So you know, they didn't know
what it was. Nobody could explain what it was. And I don't think
anybody ever did explain what that was that night, so we didn't see.
That made him a believer from the very get go. That's why he told
the little police officer at station, don't get everybody together, we're going to
Kelly, because he knew that there had to be something happening to this family.
Don't take eleven people, especially young children, in the middle of the
night to the police station and telling an incredible story that something's happening to them
on the farm. You just don't do that. Not that day in time,
Mike, Dad, we got some crazies going on right now. But
you know, back in fifty five, he didn't do that. You did.
My dad would not have had himself ridiculed like that and make fun up
like that for no reason. Something happened. They were visited by something,
and we'll do that, Green will do something had been going on. He
believed my grandmother wholeheartedly that they were visited by something. Yeah, you know
what um did? Who researched this that you know of? Do do you
know of any like single person that actually like interviewed and researched this Isabel happened?
Isabel Davis did. She went there and she did it incredible research on
this whole thing, you know, talking to my grandmother and everything had happened,
writing down, you know, making small maps and stuff where it all
happened, even you know, making drawings at the house inside now you know,
all the surroundings and everything with it, and talking to all the people
she needed to talk to about this. She did incredible research on it.
Wow, and a book was her a book written. Isabelle Davis has did
one. Yes, I forget what it's called. I've got it on a
DVD. Yeah, I forget what it's called, but I've got on DVD.
Now, what's it like for you? We have four minutes we're going
to be going into the break, But what's it like for you as a
family member? And I got to also say what was it like also for
other family members along the way? You know this is many years ago,
uh you know, sixty five years ago or whatever it is. Um,
yeah, and so along the way, and we just passed the anniversary.
We didn't know what's the day to day twenty fifth. Yeah, have like
different press agencies like try to revive the story and get in touch with your
family. Over the years, Oh yeah, yeah, my dad would get
contacted all the time tim about it. Of course he would just shut him
off. He didn't want anything to do that. He didn't want to bring
back up. Yeah. I think it was a fear that stayed with him
all the time. I don't think it ever left him. Before he passed,
there was this group from Germany trying to get in to talk about it,
and he just he just wouldn't do it. It was just too scary
for him. You know. I've always said he was a little man,
but he would fight a bear for what he linked in. But I tell
you what, this kicked his bet. It terrified him. Yeah yeah,
how about that. By the way, did the dog ever come out from
under the house eventually? Had eight? Yeah, I probably would stayed under
there a long time. But it's really strange because, well, one other
thing, you know, you mentioned the brushing of the claw whatever it is
on the roof. Was there any other actions like that from these little guys
that, you know, hey, look at me type of thing. You
know, they're obviously looking in through the windows, which is bizarre. I
think the landing in the windows and trying to seemingly get through the doors was
enough. But the scraping on the tin roof was plenty for all lover day.
And what about wasn't one up in a tree or something? Oh?
Yeah, they were getting up in the trees, you know, it was
like, come look at me. I don't know why they were getting up
in the trees. I don't know if they were trying to jump from the
trees to the house. Maybe they were trying to I don't know, but
they were getting shot out of the trees I know that. And how about
how many were there of these things that they did they count like so many
of them? Well, my dad said that he always thought it was three
or four. He thought it was four. And what they were doing was
once they got shot, they were getting up in coming back. You know.
I know a lot of times will read maybe like eleven or twelve,
but he said no, he didn't think it was that many at all.
He always thought it was three or four that was doing all chaos. Wow,
amazing. Well it's time for us to head into the break. This
is Martin Willison. My guest tonight is Geraldine Stiff, and we're going to
be right back after these messages. If you're on YouTube, you are going
to you're going to see a clip. I'll play that now. So hanging
there everyone, we'll be right back right after these messages. All right,
welcome back. This is Martin Willison. My guest is Geraldine Stiff, and
we were talking about her families. Wow, what can I say? What
type of an encounter? Crazy encounter back in nineteen fifty five? So all
right, so this happens you're I don't know, you said, somewhere around
eight years old, and these people knock on the door, You answer the
door, and then your father tells you and then go out to the farm.
Did this was this from that time forward? You know, did you
talk at least to your siblings about this encounter and was it like alive in
the family or was it hush hush around did Olie was hush hush? I
was the oldest of the second bunch. I'd say the same because both my
parents were married before they got married, so my mom I had seven kids
by her first husband, so I had seven older half siblings. They never
spoke of it. You know, they lived in Kelly when this happened,
but they did not talk of it. My dad didn't have any more kids.
We were all he had, and I was the oldest, and so
the younger ones, you know, they were younger, and you just didn't
talk about this, and it just wasn't talked about. I mean you brought
it up. That's just like after this couple came and talked to him,
there was this book written and he got a copy of it, and the
story was in this book, and he like hit that book away, you
know, he didn't like even looking at it or bringing it out. And
you know, that's just how it was. It was just scary for him.
He went they were frightening event, and he just did not a part
of it anymore. Yeah, I can totally get that. I understand that
David wanted to know. Did they have flashlights and did the flashlights scare the
beings? If they had them? Yes, Well it seemed to shop,
you know, give them away for a while, because, like I said,
if they shined it in their eyes, they'd back off. So I
don't think they were really afraid of the lights, or they wouldn't have kept
coming back. Yeah, but it was enough that if they shine it in
their eyes it affected them in some way. It must have hurt I guess,
Yeah, I can't. You know, if you really think about this
and you try to empathize with what's going on, I can't imagine anything being
more scary than being in your home and having something outside you're trying to protect
yourself from. I can't imagine anything more scary than that. Yeah. Yeah,
it was your haven, it's your safe place. Yeah. No,
and back then they left the windows and doors open because it was their safe
place. Back then, things just didn't happen. Everybody did that. You
didn't have air conditioning, and so yeah, they didn't think about something coming
up and trying to get in the house or trying to bother them or whatever
they were trying to do. You know, scared. Now there's a question,
but I'm pretty sure you kind of answered that. Did anyone actually have
physical contact? No one did, did they? No? No. The
closest thing that happened was the hand coming down trying to grab Billy Ray's hair.
That was the closest thing of contract. That's bizarre. It reached down
to try to grab his hair. Wow. And did someone actually shoot at
that time? Yeah, my day. It ran out, shot it off,
through, shot at it floated away. Wow. Wow. Another question
that came up again. We're going to open the phone lines here another half
hour or so from Andy, He usually calls in. Did anyone check the
area for radiation or electromagnetic electromagnetic anomalies? But no one did check anything?
Right, No, no one checked anything. But what about the army.
You said the army was there the next day. Did they bring any equipment
with him. I haven't heard of any equipment. The only thing I know
they did was searched the area. I found out later that they found something.
I guess they thought it was an interest and covered it up real quickly
and ran into a truck, put it in the back and a truck took
off. And that's the only thing I've heard as far as that's concerned with
them doing that. After the search was over that morning, that was it.
They just didn't do anymore. They just plopped it away, tried to
get rid of the whole thing. And that's why they were you know,
that's what they're good at. It's just getting rid of And it was easy
to hear rid of. It was easy to hear it of. What how
they did it was they choked it up to uneducated and I hate this,
hate this, but uneducated hillbillies. And that's how we were able to put
it to rest and throw it away. Well that's all, that's you know
what the ridicule factor is belive and you know, attack, attack the people
um, you know, to debunk um. And unfortunately that's you know,
that's that's sad because you know, everybody sees you know, if you look
at the range of who sees UFOs and who who has uh you know,
and encounters, it's a range of all people. It's not just one certain
type of person or the way you know, someone may live or whatever.
And I'm sure they probably used the carnival thing as part of the ridicule too,
which is another silly Oh, I'm sure they did. And yeah,
something is sure. My dad may have joined a carnival at fourteen, But
this nan could do anything. He could do anything. Yeah, serious,
He was not stupid by no means, right, you know. And that
was part of the hurt too, you know, you get called stuff like
that, it hurts, you know, And it was. It was a
whole on two accounts, the whole invasion thing and the whole ridicule thing,
you know, And I do want to talk about that a little bit more.
There's another question, was there any older at all of did anyone?
I know, it's it's one of the questions that that's asks a lot when
someone has an encounter, if someone's interviewing them, if there's you know,
all the senses of something, and did anyone mention any type of Nobody ever
mentioned any kind of odor. The only thing I ever heard was that it
just felt eerie. The area just felt strange, you know. I wished
to this day, see my dad died in ninety five, and I wish
to say if i'd known what I know now that I had sat down and
really picked his brain about this whole thing. But at the time in ninety
five, I was scared to death of this story. I didn't want to
know part of it either, And I wish I had of because he would
have been pool of good information, you know, if you cook at it,
you know, possibly forward the end of his life. He may have
been able to get, you know, a lot out of him. Who
knows exactly, And I wish I had a Yeah, yeah, well it's
it's still a remarkable story. And now what about let's go into the the
I understand they said it was monkeys from a circus or of course monkeys don't
take to getting shot too well. But what were some of the stories that
you heard when people are trying to explain away this is nothing besides unfortunately the
hillbilly take on it. Yeah, the whole owl thing. The owls was
the top one, I guess, because yeah, there's an owl that gets
about three foot tall. But same as the monkey, it would have gotten
hit and splattered everywhere with cats. They said that somebody, some neighbors or
somebody's throwing cats at the house. There's actually are. There's a connection of
some people make a connection of not not just one but Mike Clellan I think
his name is. But there are people that make a connection between this whole
UFO thing and owls. Ironically. Yeah, yeah, yeah they do.
But still you've got a twenty and a twelve greate shotgun, a twenty two
rifles. It's shooting these things and there's kindly blood somewhere. Owls are not
going to taunt anyone either. They're not going to exactly, they're not going
to be three of them. They always hunt alone, you know, I
mean that that type of thing. Of course, there is a whole thing
that there was somebody that's playing a prank on them, and of course the
same thing here. They were shooting everywhere. Somebody out in those woods probably
would have gotten hit. That's why the neighbor went back in the house.
I'm surprised. The one thing that surprised me. I know it's a different
time and h but if I heard a bunch of gunshots in a neighbor's house,
I call the police immediately. But no one did that. Obviously they
didn't. I don't know if it's because well, they have not had a
way to do it, you know, you think about it. The only
thing my family had in the house was a radio. They didn't have any
kind of other communication that was it a radio. They didn't have a TV
yet or any of that. You know, these were this was a poor
Barren family. They didn't have none of that stuff. So you know,
the others around them they not have had it either. You know, how
about that. I never even never even crossed my mind that there was no
way to call the police. How traumatized were the children after the incident,
Stephen asked that question. They were very traumatized day. Yet I'm sure they
went through a lot as children. You know, they don't talk about it
today, and I'm sure part of that is because I'm sure that when they
went to school they probably got you know, how cruel kids can be.
Oh yeah, And as far as you know, was the story all around
like in school, I'm sure it was. It had to think back in.
I mean, it was the thing. I mean that was big news.
This was something that put Hopkins Bill Kelly on the map at the time,
and they were going into school just a couple of days after that,
probably yeah, yeah, I mean this is August, so they had started
school already, and yeah, I'm sure that there was a lot of that.
Yeah, I hate to think what they went through really, especially the
kids and what you know, you mentioned the cat thing, the owl thing.
To this day, are people still trying to debunk this. I haven't
looked personally, but um, what do you see out there? Like say,
I, I don't social media or whatever about this case. I think
people have given up. I haven't seen anything. You know. Of course
you got your random Well it wasn't howl or it was a lucky thing,
but you know, they can't through that. They can't you know, three
it was any of those things. So I think people kind of have given
up. It's taken all the life of itself actually, and it's really getting
out there now. You know. We don't know if you know that we
have a festival every year now because of this. Oh okay, has it
right on the date? No, we can't. They it's because it changes
every year. Yeah, it's like a weekend thing or something. It's a
weekend thing. It's a third weekend of August every year. Of course,
we couldn't have it this year and just would have been our tenth anniversary.
We were actually doing a really big festival this year for the tenth year.
But I guess what, yeah, kind of change that Yeah, Um,
this question. We already answered this question, Stephen. Um, there is
there is a couple of witnesses left, but they they don't they don't want
to talk about it. Is that? Is that what you said earlier?
Three? Actually yeah, three youngest kids are all still alive. Yeah,
but they don't want to. This is something they're not interested in now.
Like I said, the older one, my uncle Lonnie, he's the oldest,
and he used to talk about it some, especially when the festival first
started. Um, but now he just doesn't. He's had some physical problems
and like I said, he's getting close to eighty, and I think he
just doesn't feel he can do it justice probably anymore, because I think he,
you know, like all of us, we get older, we get
a little forgetful about things, and I think he just he's seeing me take
it over and do with it. So I think he's happy with that and
and he's just letting it be. Did he was? He interviewed a lot
when he was talking about it. He was for a while there, especially
around two thousand and five when it was the fiftieth anniversary of the incident.
He talked a few times with different documentary people and stuff like that, did
interviews, but it was back then, and yeah, now he just doesn't
do much with it now, you know, getting back to where we're talking
about earlier, the the kind of the debunking of it. Has anyone ever
like try to make a claim this never happened at all. No, have
you ever heard anything like that? Now, what about this is a good
point here. Was there a police report? Yes, there is a police
report. I don't know where it is. I love getting my hands on
it, but yeah, there was a police report, Yes, definitely.
I mean they went out there that night, so surely they didn't make a
report. But yeah, yeah, this is interesting. And remember in chat,
please put your questions in caps so I catch them. And let's see
this one right here. Do you know if any family members regret reaching out
to the beings had taken a different approach than they did, Oh, no,
they don't regret it at all. I'd be scared to death. I
mean, you know, for a while there and my grandmother, you know,
I thought something was wrong, But I think after a while to realize
that, you know, when they kept coming and kept coming, especially after
that second time, because when they left go to Hopkinsville and they came back,
they had a little free time in there where they didn't bother on and
my grandmother was laying there in bed with my dad beside her, and the
rocketshire shotgun across this lap and they came back that second round, and I
think that second round really did her in. Um wow, yeah, the
time, yeah, the gap and then they come back. That must have
seen like a total total nightmare. And it had it lasted the rest of
the night till the sun came up, so they had a long period of
time where they were fitting them off again. I can't imagine going from the
house to the truck. If you watch horror movies, that's when something always
happens. Here to death, I mean. And they watched behind them,
the ones that were in the back, they watched behind on the whole way
because they were afraid that they were gonna come with them, I'm sure.
Yeah. And what about looking around? Did they try to look around to
see if they could see anything like a craft or the beings as they were
driving out of the yard. No, they were just ready to get away
from there. Jim didn't want to get back. I'm surprised they did come
back. I really am. I mean I would have come back with a
force of police officers or something. Yeah, right back. You know,
they left and there was nothing that they could do. You know, there
wasn't nothing there to prove, no bodies or anything to prove they shot them.
So God, what would you do today? I mean, that's that's
the question. I mean, how would the reaction if this happened today be?
You know, first of all, we have cell phones that could take
pictures, We have phones we can call the police. It'd be a total,
total different situation. Um. Let's see, we have this question here
on the drawings. Um, do you know have any I mean, there's
no way of telling because they're all, you know, different drawings and you
can't compare them to the real whatever it was that they saw. But um,
do they do they agree among themselves which drawing was closest to the I
don't know that. I never even thought about that. They're all so similar,
you know, Yeah they are. They said was Billy Rays was was
the one with the abs? If you notice one of the drawings one come
ahead, Abs. Oh yeah, they said, you know, Billy right
kind of they thank you, kind of think that I at all that.
Yeah, I'll try to pull up some of those others. Richard has this
question has the family Has family members experienced any other sightings so strange experiences that
you know about, Not that I know, But even if they did,
they probably wouldn't talk about it. I'll be honest with you. Great too.
Yeah, now what about you mentioned go ahead? I'm sorry, it'd
be a nightmare again for Also, I don't think if they had, they
would speak a word. What about so you wouldn't even know, Like the
new family members that bought the farm, um, if anything ever happened again
there, you know now they never have came forward with anything going on there.
Now the farm is chopped up. You know, it was close to
thirty acres and it's like five different people on it. Now you know,
it's chopped up into different acres. In fact, my sister and her husband
just bought five acres of it, So five acres of it's back in the
family for sure. Yeah, but you know, different people live on splotches
of it now. Now I don't know we talked about this earlier. Esoteric
Gold is asking some questions that we've already discussed. I do believe, but
I don't know if this wasn't In particular, were there any other animals on
the farm besides the dogs, cats, and a few farm animals? Yeah,
did the farm animals make noises that you're aware of or react? I
don't know of they would have noticed it. They were so afraid of these
things trying to get into the house. I don't think they would have noticed
anything go along with any of the animals. To be honest with you,
A lot of it starts a lot of encounters. They hear the animals first,
and then you know the encounter. No but said anything. The only
thing that was ever spoke of was that hound dog running by with his tail
tucked and ears down. He was scared, you know, under the house
and never coming back out. Yes, that was the only thing that was
ever said about any of the animals. Yeah, yeah, Well this is
exacting. I think I'm going to open up the line. Since we're getting
a lot of questions, I think let me just find out if Bill is
as ready for that. But as you go through life, now, are
people contacting you. I know, you're kind of a central figure in the
festival and because of that or people reach out to you. I mean I
think I may have reached out to you because of the finding you that way.
Yeah. Actually, no, you were on another podcast, that's what
it was. Yeah, yes, yeah, faithful, Like all day today,
I've been talking to different people. I mean, there's somebody how about
that, Yeah, there's been there's somebody want to do a documentary. Another
podcast is in the air. I'm scheduled out with podcasts through nuts ahead,
right wow. Yeah, yeah, Well, I'm honored that you were able
to do tonight. Yeah. You know, I think the part of it
is because you know, that's what people are doing now. I mean,
this has become a great thing for you guys, because people are sitting home
and listening to podcasts and watching stuff like this. Yes, I have requests
all the time, people asking me to do more than one podcast a week.
Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's a captured audience. And that's
why I've been pushing up a friend of mine that has a really good film
that a lot of people in this field are waiting to watch, and I
keep begging them on this is a time, you know, get it out,
get it out. Yeah, and I getting hold of me today.
You want to do another documentary? It's been years since another a good documentary
has been done on this, So you know, if anybody they could do
it, really good documentary on the story would be a great thing, right
now. Sure. I mean, like I said, it's been years,
wow, fifteen years now, did like Unsolved Mysteries or anything like that ever
do something on this? Yeah, there's there. I've done several TV shows
actually, and there's another one coming out here soon in the fall for about
it. But the Travel Channel has got a new one coming out. Travel
Channel halls got something coming out. So you know, I can't tell you
the name or anything. You'll find out here saying we did one for them
here back a few months ago. We got it filmed and so it's getting
ready. And I've done mysteries at the Museum and monsters and mysteries, and
of course they pop up on other stuff too, you know, they trade
them around and uh. But yeah, people love the story, they love
hearing about it, and it's fascinating, you know, think about it.
Yeah, like I said, there's no there's none other that I know of
we have a caller. We have Joe Um. He is calling from Michigan.
Joe, Welcome to the show, he Martin. How you doing.
Yeah. I wanted to mention that Geraldine first had spoke that when they first
saw the craft, they had mentioned the like sparklers coming out of the back
of it or rainbow. That was that was something in the twenty thirteen Southern
Ontario close encounter, the very close encounter in Southern Ontario that was heavily researched
by MUFON and was their twenty sixteen incident of the year, even though it
happened in twenty thirteen. And when she said that, and just I could
tell her it's those little things like that are very important because the minute she
said that, I mentioned about the sparkers coming out of the back of the
craft. It's really part of the propulsion system. I believe, a plasma
type of thing. And was it was heavily talked about by MUFON and researched.
Uh And when she mentioned that, that one little thing that she mentioned
told me that in all probability, as far as I'm concerned, this was
a real event. That that one that one point of it told me that
was most likely a real event. Yeah, it seems like there's mentioning that
another piece to the puzzle. Obviously, any any question or you just want
to make that statement. No, I just I just wanted to tell her
that it's surprising that that that that one thing she mentioned that she might have
thought was maybe inconsequential to me and from my research told me that Wow,
this that to me tells me it was real. Yeah, it was a
real event. All right, Joe, thank you of the being Okay,
thank you, thank you. I didn't mean to cut you off. Appreciate
it. And uh, next we have we have a caller Michael calling from
Cincinnati. Welcome to the show. Hi there, Hi, how are you
the little of the show. But I apologize I she may have already answered
the sellow Geraldine and Martin Michael. There my question, Well, you mentioned
there was another woman about twenty years old and maybe a fifteen year old lady
too present. Well, actually June Taylor is only like eighteen or nineteen.
Everybody will they talk about it. We cannot find June Taylor or Billy Ray
Taylor. We don't love what happened. I know June made the statement that
she would never come back to Kentucky. That steered her so bad that she
said she would never never come back to Kentucky. So we don't know where
they're at if they're still alive. Even and you say there were three children
hiding under the bed, Yes, did any of those children see the beings?
Well, Lonema oldest uncle, he said that he actually got off round
the bed and went to the window and looked out the window and peaked and
saw I would have to do that too. Yeah, and he was twelve,
so he said he did, and he did see one of them.
He has totally from him and anybody else is still alive for this documentary would
be great. I mean, besides the original three, right, you know,
there are from the children, there are a few people like there is
this one man, Billy Thomas. He was a neighbor at the time.
He was only fourteen when this happened. He's still alive when he can talk
about it, and he has actually been in some some stuff that we've done
here recently. He's a really good, really good because he was friends with
my dad. My dad actually taught him how to shoot and how to hunt.
And but there are a few that we're young back then that are still
alive that do you remember it happening? Billy Thomas was actually, like I
said, a neighbor and he actually I saw him and a friend off.
He saw the lights in the sky that night and was hearing the commotion at
the house and and you know, talk to my dad about it, and
he's really good, really good. All right, Hey, Michael, thanks
for the call. We have a lot of calls lining right up right after
the other. I can also tell you that, thank you. I can
also tell you that the day after the next day something like that, because
after this event happened, my dad and him didn't leave right away to go
back to work. They stayed a little bit longer, and Billy went down
to the house and my dad got a ladder, went a pump roof and
showed him where the little being up there head made scratches across team. So
he actually sang that himself. Yeah, how about that? Did anyone ever
say to your father you can't hit the broadside of an alien? Tried to
say that? All right? We have Sarah from Washington State. Welcome to
the show. Sarah. Hello, Sarah, there you are, Yes,
so I also came in a little late, so I apologize if this was
answered just like the previous guy. But um, I was wondering a little
bit more about the creatures. How were you able to tell that they were
green? Um? Was it like when light shone on them? And also
was there some kind of animal that we know of that you can compare to
it, like reptiling reptile, snake or snake or whatever. Also I wanted
to know, looking back in hindsight, what do you think they wanted from
you? My impression is that they were kind of little tricksters. But I
can hear your answers off there. All right, Sarah, thanks for the
call. They were they were shining the flashlights so they could see them.
Of course, the porch light was shining too in the front of the house,
so they were able to see these little things. And they weren't green.
They were a gray. They always said a gun metal gray. What
they want to call a gun metal gray, But they were gray. Little
green men came in from a reporter and it just kind of took hold and
just went wild. Because you have the color Kelly green, so it was
easier to say Kelly green man than Kelly gray Man. It just rolls off
the tongue better, and that's where that came from. But they were gray.
Now as far as a reptilian, I just I just can't think of
anything that that would look like as far as a reptilian, because reptilians usually
crawl on four legs on the ground and these were, you know, two
legs standing. So I don't know about that. And what was about her
third question? I forgot the third question. Let me see if she's in
Sarah, if you happened to be in chat, please put your third question
in UM. I should have written them down, but anyway, sorry about
that. And we have Andy calling from Connecticut. Andy, welcome to the
show. Andy. You there, hyeah, Yeah, you have a question
for our guess, Andy. I so yes. My question for Jeraldine is
two quick things is did the ship that they arrived on the craft, did
it harvery nearby? Hover in the air? Did it land? And then
the other question was did any of her relatives remember any telepathic messages of any
kind because that's often associated with you know, the overwhelming majority of alien contact
events are telepathic. And good show as always, and I'll take the answer
off the air guides. All right, Andy, thank you. As far
as I know, it didn't hover, It went across the sky, and
Billy Rice seeing it now, he did not stay out there long enough to
see where it went. That was the thing. That's why they didn't know
it had landed in the back. And I forgot what the other question was
already my brains, Diana tonight. Oh my god, I just started reading
something in the chat and I totally blew the last part of the question.
Also, I got to write these down because I was keeping track of it
and started reading. My mistake. I guess, I guess I only have
the capability to take one. Oh, yes, thank you. Telepathy.
You already mentioned that there was no telepathy. Yes, no telepathy. They
if there was, they were ignoring it, let me tell you, because
they were not setting still long enough to pay attention to see if there was
anything going on in the mind. And they didn't even think about things like
that. I mean, they had the only communication this family had was a
radio and the neighbors and what was between them, and they didn't know anything
about this. They didn't have the money to go to the movies, and
at the time he got to think fifty five, the UFO stuff, extrest
real stuff was just now coming out, and they didn't know anything about that,
so they wouldn't have known what telepathy was. I really don't think to
be honest, Yeah, I mean it would it either happen or not,
you know, basically, yeah, and happened. They wouldn't have known that
it was happening to him, I'm sure, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
all right, we have Stephen in California. Welcome to the show. Stephen.
Hi, Martin, Hi, Jardine, Hi, Hi. I'm curious
having family have such a cloth encounter this. Did this direct you to interested
in UFOs and maybe a search for answers and what's your thoughts on what's going
on U currently with the UFO on the news and what's going on and everything.
Um Now, before this incident happened, I was a sci fi girl.
I love sci fi and horror. So when this story comes up and
started and I heard about it and this happened to my family, it scared
me to dad. So guess what alien movies, alien shows and stuff scare
me even to this day. If it's a certain kind like an abduction movie
or something like that. It really really bothers me. I don't like watching
them, so that's kind of like, well, you know, and as
far as what's going on today in the news in the world, it's about
time they start talking about this stuff because it's out there. You know,
a lot of people don't want to believe it. I mean, believe me.
I get it when I do festivals and stuff, because I have people
come up to me, and it's so crazy. I have people come up
to me and tell me that I don't believe in God because I believe in
aliens and stuff like that. And it's just outlandish because you've got this,
these people that believe we're it and there's nothing else. You know, you
got this vast universe out there with millions of planets and stars that yet we're
it. Come on, get real, hell you Oh, there's kind of
being more stuff out there. So I'm glad they're starting to bring this stuff
out and maybe people will take it seriously now and realize that we are not
hit. I think we're heading that way. Anything else. Stephen, Oh,
you know, just thank you for your courage to speak out and keep
the story. It's a very important incident. That's your bee kept going and
told and God bless you. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Thank you, all right, thank you. All right. We have Sarah
who called in earlier. She was kind enough to put her last question in
there. And looking back to hindsight, what do you think they want wanted
from you? Did they seem like tricksters? Okay? Yeah, and I
remember that one. We don't know that. Maybe that's what they were.
Maybe that's I had. I went to a UFO convention and I had somebody
tell me that they think that it was the kids they were attached to because
they were small. The kids were small. My aunt Mary was a little
bitty tiny things. So it's Uncle Charlton, and that could have been.
Maybe they just wanted to play. Maybe this longer can out play. But
if that was the case, you had my poor mama who was married to
her first husband. She said, lived over in the valley and she had
seven kids, so he knows why did they go after this one house.
So we just don't know why they were there. And you know, you
think about it and yeah, it looks like they were just wanting to play
or they were just like you say, tricksters. But we'll never ever know
they didn't get a chance to tell us what they wanted, poor little things.
But yeah, well we have another call waiting, and I will tell
you the lines are open um if someone wants to call in that numbers eight
five five four seven two five four eighty three. That's a show call.
I'm almost scared to answer this one because it's skull and bones, skull and
bones from Canada. I hope, I hope you're nice. Hi there,
hey, hello Mark, Hello there, Hello there, well hello Ji huntin
Hello, Hello there. I was. This whole story is so great for
me for a long time because it's reached all this this mood and the family
storry for the English by the week and the h and and I was.
My My question is what happened is between all the whole people there, the
whole family, the young, the whole and what happened like before that hasn't
those days before? Did something happened like those people who were missing sleep they
saw something, they went fishing and something happened, because that night is like
the crisis. But this family, it's like this. The whole mood of
this family is great, this this this dynamic there and nothing comes for nothing,
it's caused to effect. So I was wondering if you would be aware.
I knew it's a long time ago, but if the harbor told you,
like before that day, if anything happened. So, yeah, that's
my question. You know, I had a similar question. I was going
to ask her next that's uh so, yeah, what do you say to
that, Charlton. As far as I know, they were just like I
said, my dad and Via and Billy, Ray and Jan were there to
enjoy a weekend away from the carnival. Yeah, they were there to visit
his brothers who lived in Hopkinsville, which they did. They hunted, they
went out and had a good time. You know, they had some decent
food. As far as I know, nothing crazy happened. I mean,
you gotta think fifty five Kelly. It was laid back. These were night
nothing not that I know of. And if they had have had something like
that happened, they probably want to talk about it because they probably wouldn't have
connected it because, like I said, it was a different time period.
You know, You've got farming families out here, and they connected with each
other through their their church, their families there. You know, that's how
they lived. Back then. It was simple times, and I just don't
think they would have connected anything. If they had a dream, they wouldn't
have connected it to something like that. I really don't. Thanks. Yeah,
that's a love. That's a love, all right, Hey, thank
you for the call. Yeah, So so back then, you know,
you're you're talking back then, and you kind of bring that up a lot,
and it was definitely a different time. Again, the lines are open
eight five five four seven two five four eight three. If also, if
you don't want to call and you want to put a question out there on
the chat, just make sure you put it in all caps so I see
it. Um. And as as far as um the what he just mentioned,
I was wondering too if there was anything you know ahead of time that
anyone ever talked about but obviously not that you're aware of. Yeah, there
wasn't. Yeah, and what about the area? You know, you mentioned
that night that they saw lights, but as far as you know, was
there any other you know type so of UFO sightings in the area. It's
just like an area where and they often see UFOs. It's a pretty strange
I'll be honest with you. It's a pretty strained area. I've heard people,
you know, down't think the years recently talk about seeing different lights and
stuff on OH. Ninety one, which is a road that goes them through
there, and it's a long, tiring, pouring road. And I've heard
people talk about coming home from school or work or something and seeing lights in
the road or lights follow them that they don't know what they are. They're
not car lights or not truck lights anything like that. What are they?
You know, kinds of things like that people have told me about. But
I think a lot of people just put it off the Fort Campbell now because
they think there's maneuvers going on and they see something strange. Oh, it's
just sport able, and I'll think about it anymore. And some of that
very well could be. We have a Mike calling from Cincinnati. Mike,
Welcome to the show. I'm Martin. I called before, but I meant
to ask a question about the ring that the object left in wherever it was,
and if she could still find that today or someone could find that area
today sixty five years later, and how long it took for before things grew
back when theer when the last time she was there? Thank you, thank
you. That's a good question. Well let me tell you. Oh,
as I mentioned earlier, the Travel Channel is doing a show. The host
that is doing it came down and we recorded for it. We actually had
a little map that Isabel davis Head drawed out that showed where everything was and
where the craft had landed. So we went and took this little nap and
he was really good. I can't tell you who it is that he was
really good. He was able to go in there into these woods. And
now you got to realize the people that own this land don't want you own
their land, and the part where the craft landed isn't their land. So
you know, it was like, well, what are we gonna do?
We risked it and went back in there into these woods and the woods were
thick. You can hardly get through there, but he was so it grew
in quite a bit in the area grown now it's grown now now where he
found this area. Of course, it's it's not as thick as some other
parts of the woods. These woods headed and cutting years that just let it
let it row, And he's pretty sure he found the area where it landed.
Now, my sister and I were there and we stopped going so far
because it was just going down, down, down into the gully where this
landed at and we stopped, but he went on down in there, and
so I don't know if that's going to be I would think he would put
that in the show where they would put that in the show. We'll see
when it airs. But yeah, just here recently, I was pretty close
to it right there. But that many years ago, you know, there's
no way there's going to be neat trace. I would think any traces of
anything would be there. I mean it would be it's possible, but you
know a lot of rainstorms and winters and seasons later everything gets kind of,
uh, you know, covered over and washed away. There's anything there at
all. It's sixty five years of that growth. So yeah, you mentioned
the house is kind of like, um, I don't know, did you
say boarded up or something there? Oh, it's not there anymore. It's
it's not there. It's taken down. Were down in the eighties and they've
built the new house there. The people on the land now I see and
uh, someone's asking you can't answer this question, can you? Who's the
host for the Travel Channel? You probably have a nondisclosure agreement, so you
can't can't even talk about it. I'm not hoping to talk about this right
now. Yeah, yeah, so just be patient. Can you actually talk
about when we may expect to see it. It's gonna be September October,
I think of this year. Yeah, this year. Yes, yes,
yeah, they're they're working on it right now. I mean, they haven't
getting hold of me getting more pictures and stuff, and they're hoping their September
October. So just keep an eye on Travel channel. It's a coming.
I would bet fifty bucks I know who it is. And he's got a
terrific background. If it's who I'm thinking, Yes, how about that.
I'm gonna send him an email after the show tonight. I'll just tell him
I guessed. No, I know, I won't say anything. Okay,
So how did the press learn about the this is Richard in the chat?
How did the press learn about the event, and how did the story become
national news? It just went I mean they had the initial the initial press
was a police radio or I mean, you know, they called the local
paper. They called the local paper. The radio. It was on the
local radio station. I've actually got the little DVD with the aired thing from
the radio when they first announced it. And so when it hit that,
I guess it just took off running. Well, yeah, yeah, something
like that happens. You know. Even a lot of people think, well,
you know, it's back then. You know, they didn't have the
internet or anything like that. But let me tell you something, stuff traveled
fast and far and wide on anything like this that happened. And who was
it that called? Do you know who called? Yeah, a family member
called the press. No, no, no, no, I didn't know.
It was that night when they were into the police station, Greenwolf's chief
greenwal told the officer own duty to call the local paper. I got it.
The local paper was there to take pictures. Yeah, And they were
part of them that were making fun of the situation. They were it was
a man and a woman, and they were wanting dog on pictures. They
wanted pictures of the beans or whatever they were. They want pictures because they
were gonna make it big time if they got pictures. And that's what they
were saying. And they were making fun of the situation and stuff. And
that's what my dad heard. I'm talking And but that's where it started.
And you know, of course it went in the paper the next day.
Then the Kentucky Era there in Hopkinsville got it and took off, and then
the radio station announced it because of course papers got at the radio. Is
gonna have it at the local radio, and so they got it. So
it got out on that So I when I hit the radio, I think
when it hit the radio, that's probably when it went. Yeah, yeah,
it doesn't It doesn't take long. I was looking to see if I
could find any other you know, all I see is the drawings. Now,
can you go one more time? I know you you kind of talked
about it a little bit at the very beginning of the show. But how
did the drawings come about? Whose idea was that to have them draw what
they saw? Oh? Gosh, what's the guy's name? Um, it's
in my book. Okay, that's no problem. But how did how did
he? How was it approached for them to draw a local Oh? What
was he? Gosh, I can't think my brains. Did a local guy
a local report? I think he was a reporter at the time. I
wanted to find out more. So he did it. He went to the
family and asked him what they could tell him, what they looked like,
and so they said, yeah, you know, we'll tell you. So
he took them each off in a room to themselves, just him, whoever
it was, and had them tell them what it looked like, and he
drew it out and those drawings I see. So he they had it was
like an artist, like a character artist or like a police witness artist.
No, no, no, no, it's just a local Oh just a
local person. Local God, let me see you. Meanwhile, I'm trying
to get some pictures up here of that. I think I got a new
one right here coming through lad with bad lead with it is the one that
did it. I see. Okay, we are going to uh if anyone
wants to call in, you have just a couple of minutes to call in.
Otherwise that's going to be it for calls this evening because we have to
end the show just a little bit early, and I did want to.
I'll just hanging just a second. Um. So anyway, this is the
drawings and it shows a comparative. Now on this, if you look at
the screen geraldin, you'll see a picture of there's one of them has like
clothes on. Did someone think they saw clothes on one of them? No?
No, I don't know where that came. Friends. I mean,
oh, that might be just a bogus thing. Okay, I'll take that
down because yeah, of course people were, I'm sure drawing different things.
Now the actual real drawings are bad, are like that one? Yeah yeah,
the one that's got the abs that Billy Ray? Oh yeah yeah,
I wonder where he works out. They got the other planet planet Fitness.
No, sorry, that's a bad joke, and you got the others yeah
yeah, yeah, well interesting. So yeah, well it's like you said,
it's been fifteen years since it's been a documentary done on this thing,
and you know, maybe you are doing your best to keep the story alive.
And you know, do you have someone that will fall on your footsteps
if you decide not to do that anymore? Well, I'll tell my son.
He's gonna have to YEA hope he will or not? Does he have
an interest in it and the whole thing? Yeah? Actually he uh,
his senior year in high school, he did a paper on it, his
senior paper on it. So yeah, so he can do it. He
just have to to learn. But maybe you're he told me I couldn't die,
so I got pure out. But I got a kid's book I'm working
on. An illustrator is working on it right now, so hopefully i'll have
it out soon. It's gonna be cute, a kid's book about the encounter.
Yes, sleepwell kids. Yeah, it's not scary. It's gonna be
really cute. Oh I bet, I bet. Well we are. We
are toward the end of the show here, and so now, if someone
wanted to reach out to you, how would they do that? If you
want to give your information out there, you're welcome to. I do have
a website, it's Eleen Legacy nineteen fifty five dot com and it's got my
email on there and everything. But Facebook, I mean, how we connected.
Yeah, yeah, that's probably the best thing. If you really want
to talk to me about anything, I'll try to answer any questions I can.
If you've got any I don't mind talking about it. It's like I
tell people, any day you can talk about the Green Man is a good
day. So yeah, yeah, that's right. Well it's great. Well,
thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure. Well, thank
you for having me. I enjoyed it. Yeah, it's been a lot
of fun. All right. You take care of yourself. Thank you you
too, all right, good night. Whoops, I cut her off.
I hate when I do that. Next we have the show is called If
you're on KGr Hey Radio and you're listening, the show coming up next is
called Universal Secrets. The hosts of Tiffany Mac and Kevin Hale and their guest
tonight is Ken Gerard. He's a crypto crypto zoologist. It's always a hard
word to say. Next week, don't forget everyone. We have Tom Warner.
If you haven't seen I know some people just can't get there. But
if you haven't seen the Netflix. If you don't have Netflix, I don't
know what to tell you to do. But the Berkshire's UFOs I believe it's
episode five. Check that out. If you can do that in between time,
it is really really amazing. And so that is it for us tonight.
Thank you so much and again we'll be back next week. Thanks for
all those who help out and Bill, thanks for your extra help tonight and
the call center over there. Take care everyone and remember to keep your eyes
to the sky.