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It's Tuesday. You know what that
means. It's time for ignition with the

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a w FAHAB podcast team. This
is Kelson, this is Alex, and

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we are nearing the end of Forbidden
Door season. Maybe some people's favorite season

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of the year. I think for
other people it's maybe their least favorite season

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of AEW. This has been an
interesting Forbidden Door build because I would say

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the main event match that we have
is between two ae W wrestlers, so

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it's not really your traditional Forbidden Door
match. And I know the question has

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been raised and I don't agree with
this that maybe the luster on Forbidden Door

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is waning. Let me ask you
this, Alex, is the fact that

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it is an AW versus A main
event weighing on your mind at all?

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And if so, even if it
even if it isn't weighing on your mind,

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can you think is there anything else
on the card that you were like,

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maybe that should be a better main
main event. I I like the

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main event. I think it is
one of the best matches that AW can

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put put on. And I know
with Forbidden Door they traditionally want, you

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know, like they had last year
the main event was Brian Danielson versus Okada,

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which is a huge match and they
had never wrestled before, but they

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didn't really have that. I don't
feel like there was any big name in

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New Japan, being as AW already
took will Osprey, they already took O,

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right, so what what is the
biggest match that they could do?

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Like Nido is probably the biggest name
in New Japan, but he's not really

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familiar to American audiences in the same
way. Yeah, yeah, like they

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do have John Moxley versus Nido,
and I think that's a good match and

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it'll be a strong match, but
yeah, it's just not it's not what

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AW wants to be for the marquee
match for Forbidden Doors. So I think

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it makes sense that they're doing Swerve
Strickland versus will Osprey. I guess they're

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not gonna do that at all in
and this is the way to have that

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match, have a huge match for
Forbidden Door, and then all the other

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matches, in my opinion, are
more in line with Forbidden Door. It's

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not just New Japan. This time, we have CMLL, we have stardom.

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So I think, like on paper, when I compare this card to

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last years or two years ago.
Card. I feel like it's a really

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strong card. We're gonna have a
lot of really great matches. But I

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do understand some people saying that it's
not true forbidden Door matches. Fair enough,

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I want to go to Suckman and
Nett get their take on it first

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thing. You know, maybe you
can even answer the question right. I

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asked, right off the bat,
do you think that Strickland versus Osprey is

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the best choice for the main event
at this Forbidden Door or would you have

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personally picked something else out of this
card? Well, I'm going to give

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you the match I know you want
as the main event right off the bat.

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No, I don't think that.
I don't think that the Swears Strickmand

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with the Lostbury match should be the
main event because it's not a Forbidden Door

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match. Sorry, it's just not. It hasn't changed. I mean,

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the fact that it's going to be
the main event doesn't change my looking forward

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to the event. But in the
case of what should have been the main

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event, it should be the Meana
Shear cow Tony Storm match because that has

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had the biggest, best built up
of all the matches they're there. I

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can agree with that. Yeah,
I think the women's match that should be

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featured. I'm not very excited about
the Swerve Osprey match. I mean,

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they're both in AEW. They can
keep there fighting, you know, exclusively

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to ae W every week on TV. I always thought of Forbidden Door as

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something that both fandoms don't get to
see often, you know, the Japanese

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fans and the AW fans don't get
to see every day, and this just

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kind of feels like an everyday match. So I would have rather kept the

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women's match forefront. And if if
they did that, that plays on two

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things. Everyone is calling for more
women's matches, plus it's more of a

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forbid indoor match in and of itself. Well, let me let me ask

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you a question. You don't let
everybody a question here. The main events

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were versus Osprey's for the AW Men's
title. Do you think that maybe it

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could have been more uh enticing if
they had made it not only for the

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AW Men's World Championship but also for
the International Championship title versus title. No,

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I don't want to see them connected
again. I know that there was

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more to two that were connected before, but I don't want to see I

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don't like when they put titles like
that together because it's it. I just

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don't like it when they do that, because they don't seem to always have

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a way to separate them later on. I don't mind when it's certain titles,

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but not like the titles that are
considered to be I mean, it's

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it's to me those titles that one, the Internet title, and the Yeah,

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those three titles, to me are
like the top titles in the company,

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and you don't want to put the
two top titles together or three types

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titles. That's just a mean.
Now, if you put like the TNT

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title with the WW or with the
WW with the World title or with the

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other two titles, that wouldn't be
a problem. But to do it with

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like major titles just doesn't make any
sense. I always felt like the International

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title was the lowest rung, in
my opinion, like the last with not

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taking will Osprey into consideration, the
last title holder was Roddy, and I

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think he'd be like the bottom tier. Give that an aberration, like I,

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yeah, I don't love you know, if will Osprey does win this

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match, they do put the titles
together, it seems like maybe it's set

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up because he's not going to win
the match. That's why it's only for

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the AW World champions But like this
match is gonna be when they're in the

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ring facing each other and the crowd
like before they touch, before the bell

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rings, the crowd's gonna be like
nuts. These are the two top like

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singles wrestlers, I'd say right now
in AW they haven't interacted on AWTV.

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I think this is gonna be a
huge match. It's gonna be like,

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you know, a Meltzer five star
level match. It's gonna be huge.

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But it is kind of marred being
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title for title and it is for
the AW World Championship and get Do you

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give will Osprey any chance whatsoever of
winning this match? Or is this a

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face where Osprey is knowing that he's
as good as he is and he's still

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gonna have the International Championship after this
match is over, whether he wins or

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loses. Is this just a case
of AW using Will Osprey to put Swerve

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Strickland over As a champion, Will
Osprey is he's on that level where he's

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World championship level, if not considered
like the top guy in AW, so

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I can easily see him winning this
match, and I think it makes it

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more interesting for Swerve Strickland to be
that angry upset that he lost. The

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more statistics Swerve Strickland that we've kind
of lost as we have had like Babyface

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champions Sware of Strickland. So if
they did go that direction, it could

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be very interesting. I agree,
but I do lean towards Swerve kind of

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like a ninety percent chance of him
winning here just by how I feel and

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the fact that it's only for the
AW World Championship, it definitely makes me

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lean towards Swerve. Well, I
saw that you agree, So what would

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you do? You agree with everything
that Alex said or do you have something

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that I agree that this This match
has the potential to bring out the Swerve

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that we have kind of lost,
where he is more evil and more of

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a He has a bad side to
him, and it seems like since he's

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become champion, we see bits and
pieces of it, but we don't see

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it like we used to. I
for some reason, I think that if

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anybody can bring it out of him, I actually think that Will Osprey can

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bring it out of him. I
don't know if it's because they're quote unquote

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friends and they know each other and
know how to push one another's buttons,

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but I would like to see more
of that in Swerve as a champion.

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And I also think that they can
use this match to set up some long

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term storytelling, which, as you
know, I love the storytelling between Swerve

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and Osprey. Like this match will
happen, but it won't be the ending.

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I look forward to them going farther
with it, somewhere down the line

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and getting more out of both of
them. Swerve is the kind of wrestler

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to me, and I don't know
if you guys will agree with this,

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but he seems to be at his
best when he's not quite a heel,

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but he's not quite a babyface.
He's kind of in the anti hero realm.

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And then you have Will Osprey with
his Golden Retriever energy as since which

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has said and I think it's a
good matchup. Thing that bothers me about

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this match is that it's not one
obvious, like Alex said, ninety five

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percent obvious that I swore Strictlan's gonna
win this, and even if he doesn't

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win it, and Ospbury wins.
Then Osprey has two belts, and I

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just don't like either result. I
I kind of hope something happens in this

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match where it's no contact. I
got you covered. Yeah, I see

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this is how I see it happening. Uh, gonna be a great match

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until the end, because I don't
see it ending. It's gonna end in

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a disqualification or some way, because
what's gonna happen is some cowboy shit's gonna

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go down. Tony has almost always
had something up his sleeve at pay per

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views, almost always. If you
go back and look at all the pay

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per views, there's always somebody making
him return or something hasn't happened for a

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while. It's not been a consistent
thing. That's the last couple of pay

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per views, maybe one, but
not think. I think that Adam Page

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is going to come back. I
think he's going to cost the match.

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It's going to be awarded to Ospray
for interference or whatever, and then he's

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going to announce that he is the
wild car Entry in the possibility of them

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to swear versus Adam Page at all. In now, what happens when Tony

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Kahan does what he always does and
at the last second makes it a Q

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match, you know, And that's
something that they don't do that much in

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in a W which is is refreshing. They have always makes a last minute

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change the matches. Well, yeah, I'm not saying about that. I'm

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saying about the no DQ. They
don't have very many no DQ's or interference

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you know, matches that are ended
by outside of interference. It doesn't end

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that way, not really. Yeah, they usually have to roll up or

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something, you know, somehow,
So hopefully that's gonna happen either way.

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I see I see Osprey getting a
win, but not the title. What

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I've hoped for is a double count
out. That would be cool too.

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Yeah, it could happen. Yeah, yeah, I do think they are

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probably setting up Swere versus Hangman at
Wembley. But but we'll see. Anything

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could happen. The only way that
can happen though, is he's got to

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be in the Owen because the winner
of the Owen gets Wembley. What is

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your I am hype for this match. They've done everything right going up to

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this match. This is the one
I want to say match. Yeah for

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me, I'm I want to say, first of all for this Forbidden Door.

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I'm I'm excited about it a lot
because the last couple Forbidden Doors we

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had like Tanahashi and toamahiro Ishi and
Minoro Suzuki and a lot of wrestlers that

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were kind of like older Nostalgia Act
type of New Japan wrestlers. And this

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time we're getting more guys who can
go and are in their prime, like

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Shingo and Hatcha Sarro, Nito Zach
Saber Junior. But the match I'm most

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looking forward to just because I love
Hetcha Saro and I don't know if we've

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really had a real singles match with
him since he's shown up again, but

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yeah, I and JF versus Hetcha
Saro is what I'm most excited for.

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That because you baby, Yeah,
and I want to what about you son?

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Okay, So match I'm looking forward
to, probably of them allays got

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to be the minas Hyar Cow match. They're playing it up so well,

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they really are. Yeah, this
match is like unbelievably well put together.

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I want to know who they're putting, who's doing the input on this,

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because they need to get all the
matches set up like this match. Yeah,

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I'm going. I'm going to say
something that even surprises myself because I

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have been a little tired of seeing
Orange Cassidy, but I am actually excited

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to see him and Zach Saber Junior
wrestle. That that's the match I'm looking

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forward to, and it's because I
like Zach Saber Junior a lot, and

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also I think that Orange Cassidy is
full of surprises and his laid back approach

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to wrestling actually hides a pretty good
technical wrestler. So I'm looking forward to

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their match for those reasons. I
think that it's it's going to be surprisingly

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good the Mina Shikawa and you can
also throw Mariah May into the mix here.

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That story has had a tremendous build
and it is by far to be

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the most compelling match. Not no
other match even comes close at all.

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As far as Tony Storm and Mina
Sirkawa goes, that should be the main

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event. I am sorry, no
one will be able to convince me otherwise.

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Now I want to flip the script
and I want to ask who you

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guys think are what is maybe the
less type match on Forbidden Door for you

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and your reasons why. And I'm
going to go first because I'm going to

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disagree with net on this one.
I have less than zero interest in seeing

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Orange Cassidy and Zach Saber. I
don't give a shit. I literally don't

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give a shit about this match.
I am so sick. I'm getting so

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sick of seeing the am wrestlers shoved
down my throat. Orange Cassidy is only

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finding Zach Saber Junior in this pay
per view because Tony Kahan wanted to have

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Orange Cassidy on his pay per view. There is no other reason, all

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right, that's Orange Cassidy does like
he's kind of floth style if you want

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to call it, is it is. It works really well with the tricky

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British style of Zach Saber Jr.
My point is is that I don't care.

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Look, if you wanted to get
me interested in the match, but

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Zack Saber Junior in is in there
by himself and Rustle the Invisible Man,

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it would be a better match for
me because simply, I'm not saying that

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Orange Cassidy is not talented. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not saying that

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I think he's a phenomenal wrestler.
I just think he's tired, tiring and

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boring because he's on too much.
And to make a another point that I

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made last week as well, on
Dynamite, it was just announced not too

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long ago that Zach Saber Junior has
a match on Dynamite. Yes who it's

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against. If you're gonna talk badly
about this match, Kyle freak so excited

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for this match. This is like
they had the Kyler Riley versus Malachi Black

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match, which is one of my
favorite matches of this year period, and

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this match is gonna be in the
same vein like they're both fantastic technical wrestlers.

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It's gonna be awesome. I am
for I haven't watched this match.

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It's that the TV channel gets turned. I am so sick Kyle O'Reilly every

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single freaking week. Give it a
rest and it wouldn't even be a it

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would even be worse. Well,
let me that's not the one I wanted

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to say, But let me put
it this way. After Kyle O'Reilly loses

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tomorrow night, because we know that
he is because there's still ways period.

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Yeah, it's the help get set
up for the paper sixteenth math match in

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the last two months sixteen and he's
got after he loses tomorrow. I I

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think he has like a six and
ten record, and like for all the

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guys that lose a lot on Dynamite
and Collision, he's he's one guy that's

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almost like immune to losing. I
think people still like him. Well obviously

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that's except Kelston. But you're you're
not. You don't even watch the match,

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so I don't know if that matters. Well, let me put it

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this way, like what I say
that I'm not going to watch the Orge

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Cassidy match. Look at the Orange
Cassidy's run, his first run as the

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International Champion and where he wrestled like
Kyle O'Reilly every single week. Was there

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any difference between one Orange Cassidy match
and the next. None. Ninety percent

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of the time he won by surprise
roll up after getting the crap beat out

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of them, and a couple of
times he won with the Orange punch.

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That's it. They're the same match. They're going to do the same moves

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in every match that they do.
But if they're on every single week and

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wrestling in twenty minute matches every single
week, it becomes glaringly obvious, you

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know, And that's my problem.
It's not that Kyle O'Reilly isn't a good

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wrestler. It's not that Orange Cassidy
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their matches are mind numbingly boring.
Yeah, Steven, I don't agree with

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that. This is like you ask
about this pay per view and if you're

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looking forward to the pay per view, I look forward to every pay per

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view they do. I have not
had one one pay per view that I've

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watched in aw that I have not
looked forward to and not had good things

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to say about because there it's so
different than what I'm used to when I

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was watching the WWE back in the
day. Every pay per view they did,

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they pretty much the same thing all
the time. You knew what was

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gonna happen. Always something exciting happens
in these pay per views, and every

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single match is a top match.
It could all they could all be.

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There's a couple they have been bad
or been medium. But for over Paul,

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it doesn't matter who the competitors are. They put on the best shows

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and that's what people come in for. It's not gonna matter if it was

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Orange Cashty versus Jackson Jack Say Virginior
is going to be an amazing match.

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Him going against Kyler Radley tomorrow Night's
going to be an amazing match. Well,

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here's here's the thing. The one
I don't look forward to is the

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Mercedes Monague match because I am I
am not sold on her. She has

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not proven to me that she is
worth the hype that she's gotten. She

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proved to me that she's a WWE
wrestler in a w because she's exactly what

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I expected we were gonna get.
She's done nothing to show me that she's

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greater than what and being. She's
like so overhyped it's not even funny.

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And to what's a star who has
been wrestling and has two titles going to

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lose to her? Because that's the
same thing as every other match this one.

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You know who's gonna win. They're
not gonna because Mercedes is supposed to

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have had that belt. I don't
care if she was supposed to have the

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belt she got hurt. Belt's gone
now that that opportunity was gone when she

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got hurt and couldn't win it.
But that's not how they think about it.

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So I do not look forward to
that match. I watch it because

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I think it's gonna be a great
match anyway. I mean, I want

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to see her opponent because I've never
seen a wrestle before. Stephanie Facker is

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really really good, and I know
she's beaten Stephanie before, but you know

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that was over a year ago when
she was on her game and hadn't missed

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the year, and I just I
just don't look forward to I think Monet

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is going to end up when they
talk about the people who were signed this

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year by AAW She's going to be
the least important one because, yeah,

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she's making some things change for the
women's division, but she didn't bring any

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new talent more than what we already
have. Yeah. I mean, look,

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we have two Forbidden Door women's matches
and people people are literally calling for

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a third. And here's the thing. Yeah, I don't know if you

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saw my post that I made on
the aw fat Hub subreddit, but Stardom

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is actually doing a show on the
same day for as Forbidden Door. Yeah,

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so so that eliminates a lot of
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There are three women from star who
are not and when I say three

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women, I mean three notable women
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startup event as the same day as
Forbidden Door, and I'm sorry if I

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butchered these names. One is Mama
Watanami, two is Saori Anew and third

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is Pam Nakano. So I'm looking
for all three of those women to be

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or at least two of them to
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you're going to see another match made
for for Bid Door. My wish is

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that that I said this before,
is that they do one of those Gotlin

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matches like they had for the men
about three weeks ago. I thought it

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was really good, and I just
think that if they had like two or

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three women from Stardom, with two
or three women from AW and even two

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or three women from CMLL participated in
this match, it would be great.

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Yeah. And of course Baki though, yeah, yeah, I'd be great

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to see her. I didn't say
what I thought was my least favorite match.

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Yeah, I'm gonna uh So we
have nine matches on the cards so

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far. I think eight of these
matches maybe seven, could be really great.

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I like the Learning Tree, I
even like the Joe Hook Shabata stuff,

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but this match, like, couldn't
they have found a way just pair

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them both up against new Japan teams
or something along those lines. Maybe a

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six on six against the House of
Torture, like just anything could have been

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more interesting to me than this match. So yeah, I agree. Well,

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look, maybe more matches put on
this show. I'm sure there will

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be. There's not fourteen last year, so we're probably gonna see plenty more

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announced for at least for zero but
yeah, yeah, for like five days

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before the pay per view, you
know, come on. I think a

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lot of them just get thrown together
because they have a lot of new japan

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guys. Like if you look at
last year's Zero Hour card, it was

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just some random things, but we
had a lot of extra new japan guys,

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which was cool. Yeah, you
know, when you're talking about this

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year, especially with Stardom, CML
and Japan, maybe visa issues that are

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last minute things that they couldn't Yeah, they don't want to announce a match

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that they may not be able to
pull off, you know. So,

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I mean it must be so hard
to put this together, especially the build

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up to the card itself, like
getting people from four different companies, arranging

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all their travel, arranging with the
head offices of all these companies, it

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must be very difficult to actually arrange
all of this. Well, let me

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ask you this, Alex, what
do you think about maybe next year or

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you know, but in the near
future doing Forbidden Door in New Japan territory?

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That would be awesome. That would
be really really cool. Drop back,

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like, I know that Alex,
you're on the East coast, so

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as am I that would be like
a four o'clock of the morning pay per

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view. Uh so yeah, no, that that's true if they did in

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Japan. Yeah, that it's on
the West coast, to be like,

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what what of the morning in the
morning, yeah, you know, so,

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I mean so it'll definitely be like
stay off Twitter, stay off the

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subreddits and you know, hide it
okay, and then we'll put it on

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at noon kind of thing. Yeah, that would be yeah. Yeah,

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that's why it's hard to follow New
Japan because, yeah, you can't watch

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them live unless you want to wake
up at My son follows New Japan and

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watches all that stuff all hours of
the night. Yeah, craziness. Yeah,

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but it's kind of fun though,
when you're when you're if you're if

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you do want to find out what
happened in New Japan. You wake up

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in the morning and it's there,
you know. I mean, if you're

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going to go out, you're going
to buy a pay per view, you

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know that's on tape delay. You're
probably not going to go look at the

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results. But I wanted to ask
one more question because this is based on

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something that Sutton brought up, not
taking into account you're working, or you

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have a family, you know,
thing that you're function that you're doing.

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Has there been any pay per views
let's just all we go back two years

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in the last two years, have
there been any pay per views that you

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did not buy? I have my
West r O h ones. Okay,

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well, well I think of one
I don't remember, but I never missed

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an a W one. You never
this at AW wont about you never?

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No, No, I've not missed
any of the AW pay per views,

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not one cool Alex. Yeah,
no, since I've been a fan,

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like, yeah, there has been
a few that I've not been able to

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watch until the next day. But
yeah, I think I bought everything for

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like r oh r oh whatever,
the the Honor Club, yeah, everything.

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Well, for me, there's only
been two pay per views that I

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did not buy or watch and that's
uh, Forbidden Door one and Forbidden Door

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two? Wow three number one?
Is that the first I was if you

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remember, you know, on our
podcast a month ago, based on what

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and you know, I get,
I I hate for loving you something,

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but you know I have to agree. Based on what was being done with

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Mina shir Kawa and Tony Storm,
I was like, Wow, they're actually

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building up this pay per view properly, and I really want to see this

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match. And I still want to
see this match, but if I bought

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Forbidden Door three, it would be
mostly for Mina Sirka and Tony Storm.

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Am I buying Forbidden Door three?
I have not yet, and I haven't

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decided yet. I know everybody that's
listening to this is going to be on

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pins and needles until I announced whether
I watch Forbidden Door three, and I

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made that as sarcastically as possible as
Hey, you watch wrestling for your entertainment,

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you know, it's just tho.
It's fun. It's supposed to be

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fun or intriguing or whatever it's supposed
to be. Whatever you want to get

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out of it. I hope you
get out of it. I just didn't

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have any interest in Forbidden Door or
Forbidden Door two. I will say this,

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I do have a little bit more
interested Forbidden Door three. I think,

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yeah, that's mostly based on Mina
shir Kawa and Tony Storm's match.

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There are a lot of people to
back paper just for one match. Anyways,

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I guess we can shift gears.
I think we also wanted to talk

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about the inclusion of Jeff Jarrett in
the Owen Hart Foundation Cup tournament. I

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know this is getting a lot of
interest because he put out a very heartfelt,

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touching video talking about his relationship with
Owen Hart, which I think a

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lot of people maybe weren't thinking of
in terms of why Jeff Jarrett's part of

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the owen Hart Foundation Cup tournament right, And I want to hear your guys

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takes because I think it is you
know, they do have a lot of

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history. Like Jeff Jarrett and Owen
Hart were really close. They were both

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in WWE right at the time of
owen Hart's death, and I think it

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is a really touching idea of him
being in this tournament. I think Jeff

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Jarrett is a guy that gets overlooked, but he is a He's a veteran

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presence in the aw locker room.
He seems to be working behind the scenes

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for them, and it's nice to
see him get this moment to showcase and

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be like the ultimate babyface in this
tournament and probably gets squashed by whoever the

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joker is. Hang Man had a
page probably yeah, you know, evil

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hang Man. I mean, look
to be fair, when Jeff Jarrett was

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announced that a lot of people were
saying why. Yeah, a lot of

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people were saying why. I mean, it was all over Twitter, it

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was all over read, it was
all over anyone. If you talk to

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anybody about wrestlers, like, why
the hell is Jeff Jarrett at this?

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Well, he put out this video
and it went from you went from wondering

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why Jeff Jarrett was in the owen
Hart Foundation Cup tournament two basically you kind

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of wanted to see him do well
and even win it, you know,

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And so that video, which I'm
not saying he did it for the purpose

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of, you know, getting sympathy
as far as this tournament goes, I

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think that this video, first and
foremost that video that he did actually legitimized

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the owen Hart Cup farnament. You
know, let's face it, owen Hart

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died. What twenty five years ago. Yeah, so there are a lot

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there are a lot of people that
were either not alive, would that happen?

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Or we're ten years old or younger, you know, and didn't really

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understand how big of a tragedy this
was. So that video that Jeff Jarrett

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did first and foremost brought orwen Hart's
you know, legacy to life and probably

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got people to go back and hey, let me go find out about this

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owen Hart guy. You know that
may not have known about him. I

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mean guys like you said that,
and I'm sure Nett probably knows a lot

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about owen Hart. Sutton. I'm
sure you do too as well as do

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I. You know, it was
a it was a horrible, horrible thing

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in wrestling, and it affected a
lot of people. And I think that

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Jeff Jared's video made it real for
people that didn't know or did. It

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showed how loved he was because Jeff
care Jared came o across as genuinely just

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00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:08.440
missing his friend and yeah, you
just felt that, right, and what

403
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:15.320
better way to establish hangman at him
page is a joker as a huge heel

404
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:21.519
the comment and just beat the ship
out of Jeff Jarrett, you know,

405
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:28.920
or went by some kind of a
cad did horrible way, you know,

406
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.239
because if it is Hangman at a
Page, Jeff jareded is not going to

407
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:39.599
defeat Hangman at a Page, and
that is going to be something well,

408
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:44.760
and I think the problem is going
to be is now so many people are

409
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:50.000
going to want Jared to win that
that might actually make people not so happy

410
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.679
that he doesn't, you know what
I mean, perfect for a heel.

411
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.280
Right before that video, nobody cared
if people are like, what the hell

412
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:00.519
is he doing here? Now it's
all like, oh, we wanted to

413
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.679
win, and you know he's not
gonna so it kind of I think it

414
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.880
kind of is. It was a
great video. I loved what he had

415
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.199
to say, and honestly, back
then I wasn't that big of a WWE

416
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.679
fan, so I really didn't watch
a lot. I knew who he was,

417
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:19.840
I knew about the Blue Blazer,
I knew all that stuff, but

418
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.320
and I knew about what happened to
him. I found out a couple of

419
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.920
days later after the pay per view, because I didn't watch ww pay per

420
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.599
views like that, so you know, it was I knew who I knew

421
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.000
who own heart was because of course
he's Brett Hart's brother and and all that

422
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:37.599
stuff. But I don't know it
was a great video. I just think

423
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.519
that the I don't know if.
I don't know if if if it fit

424
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:49.400
for me with the tournament aspect,
because now I think it's gonna put a

425
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:53.280
light on the tournament when he doesn't
win, you know, like I think,

426
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.360
if you're a babyface and you lose
and people wanted you to win,

427
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.000
that only helps you. That only
makes Jeff Charett more likable in a w

428
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.599
and no one wants to actually see
Jeff Charett win the tournament, right like

429
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:15.960
it'd be nice, But it's fifty
year old. She said to the Illino.

430
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.000
I want him to win everything.
I want him to win that I

431
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:25.880
wanted to win the new Japan title
w W A title. Realistically, Jeff

432
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:32.400
chair should win to go all in, you know, but it's a feel

433
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:38.920
good story if he does win.
But it's a but it's also a feel

434
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:45.679
good story in the opposite and feel
bad story because the heel that beats him

435
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:53.440
is just gonna be you know,
to borrow a phrase, kazuchika o kada,

436
00:37:54.639 --> 00:38:00.239
the person that beats him is a
bitch. Yeah, yeah, that's

437
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:12.679
true that I don't know. I'm
emotional about Owen Heart so I but I

438
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:20.599
don't like Jeff Jarrett, So what
don't you like about him? Him?

439
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:28.320
He seems very corny to me.
I don't know. Something about him is

440
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.719
always like Orange Cassidy. What the
hell? Well, No, I'm know.

441
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.599
I'm not a huge Orange Cassidy fan. I just think in this instance,

442
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:44.320
Orange Cassidy is going to surprise us
with the Zach Saber Junior match.

443
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:53.159
But I don't know. It would
be nice to see Jeff Jarrett when in

444
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:59.360
a way as kind of a a
nice way to wrap things up for his

445
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:07.400
friend. But I don't know.
I think that Hangman is probably the joker,

446
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:15.360
and Hangman is angry with Swerve,
and I think that if he comes

447
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.559
in as the joker, it's it's
a way for him to start his Shenanigans

448
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.920
of being a heel and terrorizing everyone. You know what, you know what's

449
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.719
gonna be interesting? That is Remember
when Nila Rose, just like last week,

450
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:36.840
had her first match on AWTV in
like six months, and she came

451
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.400
out and she was the babyface and
she got the big pop. It's interesting

452
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.360
hearing Jeff Jerrit get a big pop
because he's gonna get when he comes out

453
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:50.159
of that tunnel for that match,
he is going to get a huge pop.

454
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:54.079
Yeah, he is. It's it's
gonna be great. It is,

455
00:39:54.119 --> 00:40:01.599
And I hope Doctor Marsh is there, but I yeah, I think if

456
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:08.559
it is Adam hang Man, it
is going to be something else. I

457
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.760
also think while we're talking about Forbidden
Door, I can't remember the wrestler's name,

458
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:22.599
but he's from New Japan and he
and Brian Danielson used to wrestle together

459
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:29.679
many many years ago, and he
was also a friend of Owen Hart,

460
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.840
and I wish I could remember his
name. But I was thinking about it

461
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.519
with Forbidden Door that it was also
a way to kind of tie in with

462
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:44.079
Forbidden Door if he was there,
as long as it's not Minora Suzuki.

463
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:47.880
No, it's not Sazuki. It's
it's some other guy. I can't remember

464
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.760
who it is, but he used
to wrestle with Danielson a long time ago,

465
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.039
and he's from New Japan, Okay, but yeah, I can't think

466
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.840
of who he is, and he
was buddies with with Owen Hart and Jared

467
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.159
and I wish I could remember his
name. All of our listeners will put

468
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.920
it in the comments. Yeah,
somebody, I don't know what you're talking

469
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.079
about. I have no idea.
Yeah, somebody tell us who it is,

470
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.280
because I I kind of remember.
And I think that that would be

471
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:27.599
a nice touch also for the owen
Hart Tournament and to tie everything together and

472
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:34.320
forbidden Door. I think it's a
lot of sentimental feelings surrounding the tournament and

473
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.360
it's it's just nice. I think
this is gonna be a good moment for

474
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:47.159
Jeff and his guitar. So we'll
see. Oh god, yeah, because

475
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:52.599
like most people there did debut would
be when they get their biggest pop when

476
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.719
Jeff here. But I don't think
when Jeff Jerriffirst showed up in aw people

477
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:05.039
were like super thrilled. Though,
yeah he retired. You know why I

478
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:09.440
don't like Jeff Jarrett because he's fifty
whatever years old and he still has the

479
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:16.679
body of a twenty five thirty year
old. Unbelievable. It's like Billy Gunn

480
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:23.159
and Jeff Jared. I hate you
guys. Okay, you're an embarrassment to

481
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.719
all of us. I think they're
okay with that. I don't think they're

482
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.519
feelings. They're not hurt. I
know, I just you know, I

483
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.880
just hadn't have to be said,
let's move on because uh MK made a

484
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:42.800
post at the aw fed up subreddit
and uh it got a lot of responses,

485
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.199
it really did, and it got
a lot of passionate responses, and

486
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:52.039
that was about Ring of Honor.
So do you guys, does Ring of

487
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:58.880
Honor interest you? And you know, and if it doesn't interest you,

488
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:00.960
you know, some people are saying
Ring of Honor should just be like go

489
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.159
and don't forget. You know,
we got a TV deal coming up,

490
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.519
possibly Max. Maybe they take Ring
of Hoter off of Hoter Club and put

491
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.519
it on Max. You know,
there's all kinds of things that can happen,

492
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.880
you know, in the near future
as far as with the TV deals

493
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.480
and what's included into TV deals and
whatnot. But you know, ultimately,

494
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.760
I find Ring of Honor pretty interesting. I gotta be honest with you.

495
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.920
I subscribe to Honor Club. Uh
Do I watch Ring of Water every Thursday

496
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.159
night when it's on. No,
I don't, but I do catch the

497
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:44.880
matches, you know, either late
Thursday night or even Friday afternoon when I

498
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:49.800
come home from work and stuff.
Like that, but I find Ring of

499
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.719
Honor matches. I've said this before. One of the things that I love

500
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:59.960
about AW are the younger generation,
the kids that are coming up and grow

501
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.880
going into wrestling through Ring of Honor
and AW, you know, and Ring

502
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.519
of Honor has a lot of that
and I enjoy that. Plus, if

503
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:14.199
you like women's wrestling, Ring of
Honor relies heavily on women's wrestling, so

504
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:20.400
that's a place to go. And
their pay per views are outstanding. I

505
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.199
love the wrestling and their pay per
views. Even though the matches are not

506
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:31.719
with some would consider marquee matches,
they're always good. I mean great,

507
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:39.440
you know. I just I can't
really say enough about how surprisingly good Ring

508
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.559
of Honor has been to me.
And I'd like this hear what everybody else's

509
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.239
thoughts are about Ring of Honor And
do you think there's a place for Ring

510
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:57.199
of Honor in this AW centric world
of ours? Okay, so I like

511
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.760
the concept of RO eight. I
don't watch it as much as I probably

512
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:07.760
want to. My biggest problem with
R o H is it's it's involved too

513
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.000
much in a w right now.
They have way too much crossover. You

514
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:22.480
have you have crossover but not there's
a lot less they have, but until

515
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.639
they get rid of the Kingdom.
That's really all there is though right now.

516
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.360
But the thing is with r o
H, it's got a history.

517
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.320
I think what the problem with r
o H was when they closed it down

518
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.880
for that short amount of time before
Tony bought it. I think that kind

519
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.239
of killed r o h's momentum.
And now that he brought that that Tony

520
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.440
owns it. I think the problem
is that people who are casual fans can't

521
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:59.119
differentiate between the two and they don't
get they don't they don't look at r

522
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.000
o H as what it was before
because r o H has a much deeper

523
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:09.159
history than a W or T n
A. So, you know, I

524
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.880
think there's a I would like to
see them separate it more so that you

525
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.719
get it to the point where r
o H can get back to the glory

526
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.760
that he used to be, right
because I mean, think about it.

527
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:30.320
You've got how many guys on the
AW roster worked in r o H before

528
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:37.679
they worked anywhere else and held the
title Adam Cole the Bucks. I mean,

529
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.639
there's a lot of people on the
WWE roster to work the thing before

530
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.800
they really made their name anywhere else, and that's the thing. I think

531
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.679
that's what's missing in r OH now
I see it. I think that they

532
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.840
have a lot of younger wrestlers at
r o H that are going to be

533
00:46:53.840 --> 00:47:00.880
big deals, you know, five
years from now. And so so I

534
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.519
mean, I'm gonna be honest with
you, Lee Johnson. Uh, he's

535
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:09.599
terrific. He's really, really,
really good and you know he's been a

536
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.719
jobber at AW but he's really doing
well a r o H. And I

537
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.800
that's what I want to see.
I want to see these people do that.

538
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.679
And then of course the biggest thing
for r o H is that they've

539
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:28.639
got ian Rickaboni or I we like
to call him here, but I mean

540
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.199
last week when he they had a
Dalton Castle. I think Dalton Castle.

541
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.000
I can't remember who he wrestled,
it doesn't matter, but ian Rickabonni when

542
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.000
he when Dalton Castle came to the
ring and the camera scrolled down and ian

543
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:52.920
Rickabonni said something alluding to the fact
that Dalton Castle's package and and at the

544
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:59.519
absolutely what he meant was he wasn't
talking about his package, but he was

545
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:04.920
talking about the entire present. But
where the camera was when he said it

546
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:14.079
and it was his his uh.
His fellow commentator was just like it was

547
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.639
just like an eating Bree moment.
You know it was you know it was

548
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.159
something. But anyway, what about
you, Alex? What is what are

549
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:22.840
your thoughts on Ring of Honor?
Do you get a chance to watch it

550
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:28.199
at all? Like you know,
I've watched every Ring of Honor pay per

551
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.440
view since they've been a part of
a w and I agree they've all been

552
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:35.559
like fantastic pay per views, better
than they have any right to be.

553
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.519
I don't really watch the weekly show, and I'm not I've subscribed a couple

554
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:46.000
times to Honor Club, but I
immediately canceled after the pay per views have

555
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:52.360
been finished because I just don't really
have that extra time to always like commit

556
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.360
to watching two hours or whatever Ring
of Honor shows a week. Yeah,

557
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:04.199
like what I've seen her good,
and I feel like maybe it's asking too

558
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.840
much to make people subscribe it,
even though it's not too much. But

559
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:15.199
like if you just could have those
matches on YouTube and then you're selling the

560
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:21.519
pay per views for maybe more money
thirty or forty bucks, and have it

561
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.239
every four weeks, like maybe you
get more people, you get more eyes

562
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:29.639
on Ring of Honor, probably ten
times the amount of people would actually watch

563
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.320
the show, and it would probably
be a lot better for those wrestlers.

564
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.719
I think Ring of Honor is like
a lot better than AW Dark or AW

565
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:44.000
Elevation, But people look on those
fondly, and I think it's just because

566
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.960
there's a paywall, and it's kind
of unfortunate that that's what it is.

567
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:51.159
There's no question for me, the
Ring of Honor is better than Dark and

568
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.559
Dark Elevation. Yeah, Ingott.
One of the things a Ring of Honor

569
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:00.960
does really well is story They really
do a lot of storytelling and of Honor.

570
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:07.519
Where AW is known more for like
great matches with storytelling mixed in it's,

571
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:14.039
Ring of Honor is much more even
keeled with equal amounts of storytelling and

572
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:19.280
uh and great matches. And you
know it's weird, you know, you

573
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.440
say that you don't have the time, and I understand that I don't have

574
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.159
the time to watch Ring of Honor, but I flip it on and you

575
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.480
know, I've watched the entire show
and I'm like, damn it, you

576
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.880
know, so yeah, and I
probably would. I feel like the app

577
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.960
isn't great either. I remember when
I have had it, like watching old

578
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.079
trying to watch old Ring of Honor
pay per views and stuff like. It's

579
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:47.280
been a little flow Like having it
on YouTube might be a little bit nicer.

580
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.239
It's just a better app. I
don't know. Yeah, but I

581
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.599
wish I watched it, but I
don't think it was part of the Max

582
00:50:54.960 --> 00:51:00.320
subscription. Yeah, then you get
the added benefit of even if like AW

583
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.320
was part of backs at AW on
its library. I think that's one of

584
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.480
the biggest things that would sure AW
so many more eyes, is just having

585
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.679
a library out there to watch.
Yeah, easily if you had all the

586
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:15.440
AW pay per views, you have
all the Ring of Honor pay per views.

587
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:21.800
Maybe they put compilations of like best
Brian Danielson matches from Ring of Honor

588
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:23.840
and stuff like that, that would
be great. Well, do that on

589
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.519
the Honor Club. They do that
on Honor Club where they have special features

590
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.280
on their long but whatever, I'm
sorry that go ahead. No, it

591
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.760
was I was just thinking that that
would be really nice, the best of

592
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:43.880
kind of packages. I tried watching
it, subscribing and watching it a couple

593
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.800
of times. I just couldn't stick
with it, So I think it was

594
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.239
the time factor planning out that time
to watch it. So yeah, I

595
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:59.239
think if they maybe moved it somewhere
else, made it accessible to everyone,

596
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.320
then a lot more people would watch
it because I do think it's a good

597
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.400
show. I watch a lot of
the women's matches on there whenever I can.

598
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.880
I've liked a lot of the pay
per views that I've seen, So

599
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.840
they need to make it a little
more see, you know, accessible for

600
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:25.400
everyone across the board. That I
think that subscription is is prohibitive to the

601
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.880
to the average fan, and that's
too bad because it is a good show.

602
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:40.599
So that's my two cents. Well, let's wrap it up here.

603
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:46.760
What do you say? So?
I think this is a really interesting talk

604
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that we had tonight. We'll be
back tomorrow night with all we talk with

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our Dynamite review and uh probably going
to be talking about some of hopefully new

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matches set for Forbidden Door. Uh
so we'll see you tomorrow night. For

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the a W fanhob podcast team,
this was ignition, This is Kelson,

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Good night everybody. She took my
line I was gonna say, my god,

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O all right, m such as
life, I'm gonna go suck my

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thumb now, don't forget