1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,359 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Whatever or whoever it is that haunts and house 4 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:24,839 the manifestations are the most powerful and evil in their experience. They all mentioned 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:01:07,200 nameless horrors, spooky eh. Hello, this is Malcolm Robinson and you're listening 6 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:14,640 to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal network, and this 7 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:19,920 is Paranormal Dimensions with David Jones. What's the idea of the life being out? 8 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:23,239 You are holding it down? I think a fine time for it. 9 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Hello and welcome to the show. As always, I'm David Young. For 10 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,400 this show once again, I'm returning to the world of paranormal investigation and for 11 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:45,799 that I have another paranormal investigator. She's part of a group called FDL which 12 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:51,200 she will explain what that means. Her name is Angie Shelley. This actual 13 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:55,359 show was to you to be Maria Wheatley, but that plan show will now 14 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,120 be in April, but I believe it will be show number two hundred. 15 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,920 Anyway back to this particular show and we'll go back into the world of paranormal 16 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,360 investigation, and my guest is Angie Shelley. Hello, Angie, welcome to 17 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,759 the show. Hello, Hello, it's nice to welcome you. No, 18 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,439 it's nice to welcome you. It's always nice to get somebody I haven't really 19 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:23,280 spoken to very much in the past on the show occasionally because quite often the 20 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,800 guests, you know, I know him quite well, and you know, 21 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,400 we've sort of had a lot of conversations, but with you, we haven't 22 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,039 had a chance to do that at the moment, haven't. So it's quite 23 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,719 nice to welcome you than hopefully find out a bit about you and what you're 24 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:44,120 all about. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Now, we had a short 25 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:51,759 word that the festively unexplained in twenty three. Yeah, it was right. 26 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:54,759 Yeah, I sound I like to get you on the show because you had 27 00:02:54,759 --> 00:03:00,000 your little group. There is it your group? It's the FDL group, 28 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:06,520 Yeah, FDL Paranormal. Yeah, so it's we don't sort of have a 29 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,919 leader as such, you know, we were all in it together. So 30 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:16,960 no, no sort of nobody in childe sort of thing. Yeah, what 31 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,719 is if? What is if? The actually made before we go any further. 32 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:28,599 Well, fd L stands for Friends Don't Lie. Ah, right, 33 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:34,240 okay, that's nice. Yeah it is. Actually it came about from the 34 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,280 series Stranger Things. I don't know if you've heard of it. Yes, 35 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:39,240 I saw a few of those. Yeah. Yeah. It was one of 36 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,199 the things that that Al used to say on it, that that you know, 37 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,280 her friends don't lie. Now you say that, it comes back to 38 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 me. Yeah, yeah, And and to be honest, that's what we're 39 00:03:52,719 --> 00:04:00,319 all about, because we really pride ourselves on bringing the truth. You know, 40 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:09,520 we go on investigations and if we don't get anything, that's the episode 41 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,400 that's you know, that we show you know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 42 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:16,800 I mean obviously you've been a go tounts myself caught quite a few of 43 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,399 times, and obviously things don't happen all the time. Don't do that. 44 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,319 Yeah, it's not like on the shows you see where they have been there 45 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,720 for eight or nine hours and then they're showing it all within fifty minutes or 46 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,079 whatever. You know. Yeah, it's I mean quite a lot of the 47 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,560 times I've been shut on punts and that you're sort of getting really fed up. 48 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,959 You get gets quite boring and you think, oh, let's just check 49 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,800 it all in and go, you know. Yeah, And honestly, so 50 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,759 we'll do sort of like twelve hour investigations sometimes and yeah, sometimes nothing happens. 51 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:55,920 But I think because we are such good friends, we sort of it's 52 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:59,600 for us. It's it's almost like a night out. Yeah, sure, 53 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:08,399 exactly exactly, and you know, and we we just love, you know, 54 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:13,680 sort of go into different locations, you know, finding out the history 55 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,639 about it and you know, and and just seeing what's there, and you 56 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,959 know, and if we are lucky enough, you know, we we have 57 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:26,439 caught some great things, some really good things. But on the flip side, 58 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,399 we have had nights where we've had nothing. We've got absolutely nothing. 59 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,160 I know, it's exactly what I'll ask you about some of those things you've 60 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,240 got. But I know, quite often on these evenings when you go out 61 00:05:39,399 --> 00:05:41,920 and you think nothing's happening, and you just think, oh, I'll just 62 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:44,560 go home, and then all of a sudden, something will happen and it 63 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,040 will make you think, oh, that was interesting, and it just makes 64 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,600 the whole evening worth it. Yeah. Well, we very often find you 65 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:56,959 know, sometimes we'll come away from a from a venue and we'll think that 66 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:03,160 nothing's happened. But when we're going through the edit, there's all sorts in 67 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:08,439 there, so you'll get like the EVPs electronic voice phenomenas, you know, 68 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,879 voices things that we clearly haven't heard at the time, but they've been picked 69 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,439 up on the audio. So that's interesting because obviously you might have to look 70 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:21,879 through a lot of film as well, but if you've been filming a lot 71 00:06:21,879 --> 00:06:25,800 of it, you might have brought ten hours of film or something. You've 72 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,279 got to go through and see if anything happened that you didn't notice at the 73 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:32,639 time. Yeah, well we've we've now got three cameras as well, so 74 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:44,439 film exactly exactly. And my lovely colleagues who are Nick and Mick, they 75 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,879 do all of the edits. So credit Nick and Mick. Now I know 76 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:56,319 it was Nicola and Michael, but Nichola and Michael Michael when he's naughty and 77 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Mick when he's being Mick. So yeah, they do all the editing, 78 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,720 and you know, I'm absolutely super proud of them. They do an amazing 79 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:14,879 job. So, I mean we only started about eighteen months ago. I 80 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,000 knew you were a new group. Yeah, yeah, so FDL, Yeah, 81 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:25,839 that began sort of like eighteen months ago and they've never done any editing 82 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,079 or anything like that. They had some help from their son Jack and he 83 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,480 comes with us as well on a lot of the events and he was like, 84 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:38,680 oh, you know, mom and dad, this is how you do 85 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:42,519 it, and so that they've got so good at it. They really have, 86 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:48,720 but obviously it takes them hours and hours. So have you had a 87 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:53,160 lot of crash you've met to up by a lot of stuff and you know, 88 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:57,360 lot of equipment and things within a short period, or or have you 89 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,120 been saving it between you sort of over the years. Well, I suppose 90 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:07,360 over the years we've sort of accrued the you know, the things that everybody 91 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:16,079 has, like the K two meters and the rempods and the wonderful cat boards 92 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,680 but we call them ghost boards. So we've got a lot of that anyway. 93 00:08:20,759 --> 00:08:26,199 But I suppose it's it's the cameras and all the technical stuff you need 94 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,560 for the editing is the things that we've sort of accrued now over the last 95 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,799 sort of eighteen months. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean it can get 96 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:39,559 quite expensive equipment, especially the rimpled I still want to get one. I 97 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,960 still haven't got one yet, but wow, Mick actually made one. He 98 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,159 did, he did. He took one apart that he had and he was 99 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,600 like, wanted to see sort of how it worked, and he was like, 100 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,759 I think I can make that. And then yeah, so he has 101 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,639 actually made one, so I know that if I could say, if I 102 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,279 had a drawer, I could make one too, because I was in that 103 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:09,000 business actually business, so I could Actually I couldn't design one, but I 104 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,000 could actually make one from a you know, from a copy. Yeah, 105 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:20,919 yeah, that's what That's what he did and and it's brilliant. We've had 106 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,759 some amazing, amazing sort of responses from it. But you know it, 107 00:09:26,759 --> 00:09:31,720 it doesn't work everywhere you go. We find that sort of different locations we 108 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:37,519 go to, you'll find that one piece of equipment sort of works better than 109 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,600 another, which we're guessing is the sort of like the energies in that building, 110 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,600 it's what they can use. Yeah, it's change, isn't it. 111 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,720 Do you do you ever find the batteries getting drained? Yes, yeah, 112 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:58,639 absolutely, not so much. I would say on torches and things like that 113 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,759 like you see in the movies, but certainly our camera actress and it won't 114 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,519 just happen on one It will happen on all three at the same time, 115 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:13,840 and then you know, everything is sort of fully charged before we go. 116 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,399 We take all the charge in equipment with us when we go as well. 117 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:22,600 Yeah, we've had quite a few locations where that has happened. Yeah, 118 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,799 it's strange, isn't it When that happens. It is it is. I 119 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,840 mean, you know, it's just one of those things, isn't it. 120 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:37,240 That's the nature of the game. Well, especially where it's cameras, because 121 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,039 it seems as if they don't want you to film what you're doing, you 122 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,039 know. Yeah, we were in a location a couple of weeks ago, 123 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,200 Whittington Castle, and this has never happened to us before. We were in 124 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,759 the middle of a visual and we were getting some good sort of audio responses 125 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,159 and for of a reason, camera switched off. It just completely switched off. 126 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,480 And then so it's got the sort of start of us sort of going 127 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,879 into the visual and then it completely goes and then it just switches back on 128 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,039 when we're saying okay, thank you, you know, we're going to head 129 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,279 to another part of the building now. So it wasn't like we knocked it 130 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:28,080 off or anything like that. Yeah, Yeah, it was a locked off 131 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,639 camera, so it wasn't like anybody was holding it or anything like that. 132 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,519 So yeah, So that happened in one part of the building, and then 133 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:43,320 in another part of the building it happened again on a different camera, So 134 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,080 it wasn't like just the one camera was sort of having a bit of a 135 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,960 wobbly or anything like that. It happened on another camera as well, So 136 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,919 and that hasn't happened to us before. So we really do feel whatever was 137 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:01,639 there, it wasn't particularly happy with us filming, or maybe there were camera 138 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:07,240 shy well. I also, which goes alongside there is it's kind of a 139 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:13,000 verification of its own, isn't it when that is because you know something paranormal 140 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:20,919 is going on. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, we were absolutely gobsmacked when 141 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,480 when we were going through the edit that you know that you could sort of 142 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:28,360 put it down to if it happens just with the one camera, they'd be 143 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:33,200 like, Okay, maybe there's a problem, But to happen on a completely 144 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,320 different camera as well, and the same sort of like situation, you know, 145 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:43,200 we were about to we were doing a visual a few minutes in completely 146 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:48,759 switched off and then came back on again as we were ending the visual. 147 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:54,000 Yeah. See, things like that you just can't explain them, can you. 148 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:58,480 No. Absolutely. I mean I've been a couple of ghost hands where 149 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,240 we view mag like torchies. Yeah, and I've seen them go on and 150 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,519 off, you know, with nobody anywhere in the ear. And that just 151 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,399 amazes me, the fact that because you know, you've got physically suspecially one 152 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:16,879 and off exactly, and when it's sort of responding to you know, for 153 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:18,519 a yes, and I know it's it, for instance, and it does 154 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,000 it to that command with nobody anywhere in Erea, it just blows my mind. 155 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:26,240 Yeah. Absolutely, That's what I was going to say. When when 156 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:33,840 it's responsive, it's it does it, it blows your mind. I think 157 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,720 the thing is, even though we go on these ghost hunts and obviously we 158 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:43,240 believe in life after death and everything. I'm sure you do, you still 159 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,240 every time you're still looking for that verification, aren't you? That you know 160 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:54,120 of these events? Do you feel that way? Yeah, because I mean, 161 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,600 no two locations that are the same, you know, the sort of 162 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:07,080 energy is the feelings that obviously the history. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Yeah, 163 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,039 that's what I find that interesting. Also it is like the history, 164 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,080 like you say, I mean, I think when I watch it, even 165 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,799 like the old Most Haunted, I mean, that's the thing that started it 166 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,919 all, isn't it really for everybody even to look at those shows now, 167 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:26,600 I know they're coming for a bit of stick occasionally for quite a lot, 168 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,720 quite a lot of stick actually, but there's still the locations and things that 169 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:37,279 they go to and the history behind them, I think is it's great when 170 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,679 they sort of give that little bit of a paranormal history to them, and 171 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,120 you know, I think that's why they're so good. Actually, it's not 172 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:48,960 so much the actual investigation they're doing, it's the history of the place itself. 173 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:52,480 Oh. Absolutely, you know. They you know, they did sort 174 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:58,720 of like I would say, sort of very responsible for you know, a 175 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:03,519 lot of the sort of paranorm more groups and the TV programs that are on 176 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,159 now. You know, well, there was nothing like it at the time, 177 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,759 was there when they started out? No? No, absolutely not. 178 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:16,720 And and talking of Most Haunted, I was lucky enough to work for Most 179 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:26,919 Haunted Experience. I'll send your photos asking yeah, yeah, so yeah, 180 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,679 And I used to go on the their ghost hunts that they do, their 181 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,440 events and so I was lucky enough to sort of join the team. And 182 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:43,159 and that's where I met nick and Mick. Ah see, yeah, that's 183 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,279 Nicolas and Michael to me and Michael, Yes, that's where I met Nikola 184 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:54,600 and Michael because they were they were also team members. You got any little 185 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,919 secrets us about those events? I mean, did you see anything that has 186 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:08,120 been foisted upon the paying public or were they all sort of strape You don't 187 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:15,559 have to say, don't want to know. Honestly, I never saw anything 188 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,679 that I could say was sort of done deliberately. Not during the events that 189 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:30,320 we were on. Obviously, we as a team member, you're leading sort 190 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,600 of groups of the public on ghost haunts, and we got to go to 191 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:44,600 some amazing, amazing locations. So no, I mean very often, although 192 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:48,960 the celebrities were there on some of the events, they weren't on all of 193 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,600 them. So no. And the manager at the time, she, you 194 00:16:53,639 --> 00:17:00,519 know, she's very much that you know, if anybody fakes anything, they 195 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:04,319 are off the team. Yeah, and I can vouch for, you know, 196 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,519 for all the team members that were there and who was still there that 197 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,759 you know, No, they did not fake anything. Now by the manager, 198 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:19,079 you know, is that Eve herself or somebody else. They're So the 199 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:25,640 manager of Most Haunted Experience is a lady called Jenny, and she is the 200 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,880 actual locations manager Foremost Haunted. So on the episode you'll see her name come 201 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,039 up on the credits. But I would imagine that obviously Carl and Levett have 202 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,640 some input into it, and they're lovely people. Met them loads and loads 203 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:51,720 of times. Yeah, and all of them, Greg and Stuart bless him, 204 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,160 and then yeah, they're they're there are nice bunch of people. And 205 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:00,240 I'm very, very grateful that, you know that I got all of that 206 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:07,559 experience from them, and you know, the hundreds of locations that we used 207 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,000 to go to up and down the country are just amazing. Yeah, I 208 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:15,720 mean I was saying that I believe that they started out with good intentions right 209 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:18,440 from the scratch, you know. And I believe because it was on a 210 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,519 kind of a mainstream TV show channel channel four. I think it was on 211 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,200 I think something like that. Now, if you think about this, if 212 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,720 you're not getting any results as you as you said earlier, you're not getting 213 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:38,400 results at night, Yeah, you need to come up with a TV show, 214 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,400 don't you? A lot of a lot of money has been spent with 215 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,039 sending the team out to a place, so I think you could be quite 216 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,960 tempted into trying to think or nothing excepting we've got to do something, you 217 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,079 know. Yes, you see what I'm getting at. And I think this 218 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:59,039 has happened in the past with something like something like that. They know they've 219 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:00,839 got to sort of come up with something, and they sort of get tricked 220 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:07,480 into taking something, you know. Yeah, I mean this was a question 221 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,960 that you sort of used to come up sort of before the event when Carl 222 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:17,119 would be speaking to the people that were attending and if anybody had any questions, 223 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:23,039 you know, and very often he would say that, yes, on 224 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:27,599 our episode, you will you know, it looks like there is a lot 225 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:34,079 happening, but we've been at that location for three days, so what you're 226 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:40,200 seeing is, you know, just snippets which are condensed down into make making 227 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,160 an episode. Yeah, a few yeahs, That's what I said. The 228 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,480 beginning. You could be there for a lot annoine hours you're getting it down. 229 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,119 It's a lot half an hour after they've done all the history and everything. 230 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Yeah, but he would say, you know that they've got just as 231 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:02,240 much footage you know where absolutely nothing happens. But yeah, no, I 232 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:07,359 agree they you know, I think, you know, certainly more recently they 233 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,440 are coming sort of under fire a bit. Yeah. I think it was 234 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:18,920 kind of about halfway through their existence until four. Yeah, obviously they might 235 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,599 have been in danger of having the plug pool, you know, if they've 236 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:26,519 got if they're coming up with shows that are not producing anything. You know, 237 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,640 there's a lot of money going down the drain and the producers which you 238 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,920 just pulled a plug on this because it's costing too much and we're not getting 239 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,480 shows out of it. You know. I think that's that's the danger with 240 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:40,880 something like that, because yeah, you're really open to what's happening, aren't 241 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,200 you you know? Yeah, yeah, And I think you know, there's 242 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,200 there's a lot of sort of big names in the paranormal field that are on 243 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:59,440 YouTube that have been caught out recently as well, haven't they? And yeah, 244 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:02,920 this this is what I mean. So with ours we might not have. 245 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,759 I think we've got sort of I don't know, I can't even remember 246 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,160 how many subs we've got. They have gone up recently, but we you 247 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,960 know, we haven't got anywhere near as much as the sort of some of 248 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,480 the other big names. But we don't fake things. So if people watch 249 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,839 it and they're like, oh, you know, this is rubbish because nothing's 250 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:26,240 happening. Yeah, but you have I think the thing is with you. 251 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:32,680 You haven't got a sponsor that's sort of pouring money into your show or whatever. 252 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:36,960 You've probably all got jobs of the separates of the thing, so you're 253 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,839 not making you're not making a living out of it, you see what. 254 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,680 Yeah, when you're doing something that's your business and you're making a living out 255 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,920 of it, I think you can get tempted into thinking or nothing cepting I've 256 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,119 got to do something to make it interesting, you know. I think that's 257 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,559 what kind of what happened on a few of those shows, not probably not 258 00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,920 intentionally to you know, they didn't start out to sort of deceive the public, 259 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,720 but I think they kind of what you know, that's the road you 260 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:04,839 can go down. Yeah, Oh absolutely, I'm saying. And I still 261 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,720 enjoy it, and I still enjoy most haunted. I mean, I'm going 262 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,440 to see the show in South End. Actually in my ye I've got a 263 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:18,920 front row seats, so excellent chance I get to speak to you it or 264 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,000 oh yeah, lovely anyway, forget about all that for there. Now, 265 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:30,039 how did you get into the paranormal? Have you? Does it go back 266 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:37,000 into your childhood? It does, it really does. So I would say 267 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:45,559 my first sort of like paranormal experience was when I was about three years old, 268 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,880 and I don't actually remember it, but it is a story that my 269 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:55,240 mom, you know, she still towers to this day. My granddad died 270 00:22:55,599 --> 00:23:02,599 about twelve months before I was born, and and sort of all through my 271 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,079 childhood and even now, you know, everybody spoke about him as if he 272 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,160 was still here. So I was never, you know, sort of afraid 273 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:17,839 of when people die and sort of ghosts and things like that. But just 274 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,839 going back to this story, my mom said that I was about three years 275 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,640 old. I was in my NaN's back garden and she was hanging some washing 276 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:33,200 out and she said that I was laughing and pointing up into the bedroom window, 277 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,440 and she said, who are you pointing at? And I said it 278 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,799 was granddad and she said, what do you mean. I said, he's 279 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:45,039 playing peepot And as I said, I can't remember because I was only three 280 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:52,759 years old, but my mom is absolutely convinced that he was there looking playing 281 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:59,039 Peopo with me. So and as I said, because my nan and my 282 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,319 mom spoke about him all the time, I just always sort of felt that, 283 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,440 you know, that he was around and things like that. So, 284 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,440 and you thought of him as Grendad, did you at the time. Yeah, 285 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,039 that's the weird that's the weird thing, the fact that he died before 286 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,160 you were born, but you still thought of him as Grendad. Yeah, 287 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,079 oh absolutely, and I still do. I still do, you know, 288 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,839 I mean, obviously sorry, maybe he's your granddad, obviously he's not. 289 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,720 What I mean is you recognized him as your Grendad. That's what I mean. 290 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:37,640 Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely so so yeah, and you know, 291 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,319 I think from then and sort of going on from that, as I said, 292 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:48,200 I'd never been sort of like frightened about ghosts or anything like that. 293 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:59,160 I also had so my great great aunt was a medium who traveled the country 294 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,839 in the sort of late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, and so my nan 295 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:10,240 used to tell me lots of stories about her Auntie and and you know, 296 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:15,079 the sort of the old sort of like seances and things that she used to 297 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,319 do. So again, it's sort of like I don't know, it was 298 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,440 I think because things like that were talked about, it wasn't sort of it 299 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:30,319 wasn't scary. And I mean I remember being sort of about ten or eleven 300 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:37,799 years old doing a Luigi board with my nan and yeah, and although although 301 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:44,480 now as FDL we don't sort of get you know, much from them, 302 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,039 to be honest, and whether it you know, it could have been my 303 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,519 nan pushing it, I don't know, but it was just one of those 304 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:59,039 things that, you know, it never ever frightened me. So yeah, 305 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,640 so it's it's kind of bizarre. Then. So when I was about eighteen 306 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:11,519 and me and my two brothers were used to go ghost hunting, so this 307 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,839 is sort of like in the late eighties when nobody really sort of used to 308 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,720 do it. Then we would like sort of go off sort of like at 309 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:25,359 twelve o'clock and we go to like places that were supposed to be haunted, 310 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,440 like woods or you know, ancient ancient burial grounds and stuff like that. 311 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,279 Yeah, yeah, so we would do that. I just loved it. 312 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,799 I love the I love the feeling that you get when you know you're scared, 313 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:45,400 but you're not scared, if you see what I mean. It's like 314 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,880 the adrenaline, isn't it. Anything happened on those meetings. We had a 315 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,799 couple of sort of things where we had we'd sort of part the car at 316 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:02,759 the bottom of this of like long driveway. It was in the middle of 317 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,279 nowhere, and we were walking up to where this church was and the car 318 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:11,519 alarm went off and we were like what. So we ran back down just 319 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,440 we think, oh my god, is somebody breaking into the car. Nobody 320 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,920 around checked it all over, went back up, carl alarm went off again. 321 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:25,000 So was that paranormal? I don't know, but it like it frightened 322 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:30,839 us. And then one night we went to a place called the roll Right 323 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,000 Stones, and I don't know if you've heard of it. It's sort of 324 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:41,720 like Oxfordshire, and it's it's like a small stone circle which is supposed to 325 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:47,480 be sort of like they say, yeah they you said that, yeah, 326 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,559 yeah, yeah. And so we were we'd been there and we were, 327 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,480 you know, just sort of messing around. We were driving back. I 328 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:00,240 was in the front seat, my brother was driving, and I closed my 329 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,880 eyes and I'm so annoyed at myself, but I felt the car like swerve 330 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,920 and I sort of I OpEd my eyes and I was like, what was 331 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,279 that thinking. He was going to say it was a deer or something, 332 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:17,079 and he was as white as a sheet and his fingers were just sort of 333 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,519 like gripping the steering wheel, and I was like, what's wrong and he 334 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:26,160 was like, I've just seen a ghost and yeah, he said it was 335 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:33,240 just as you would imagine it to be. So it was like a white, 336 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:41,640 sort of misty, sort of shadowy figure of a young girl. And 337 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,039 it absolutely freaked him out to the point where he was like, I'm not 338 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:51,160 doing this again. But I was like so annoyed because I'd like close my 339 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,759 eyes so that, you know, for him to see a full apparition. 340 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:03,279 And we researched it over the like the coming week weeks and it was an 341 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,599 area where a girl had actually been October. I was actually going to ask 342 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,160 you that I did you look. Yeah. Yeah, so it was so, 343 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,640 but he has never been since never Oh no, I tell her lie. 344 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400 He did come on the most Haunted event when I worked for them, 345 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,559 So he did come on an event at Guy's cliff House in Warwick, but 346 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,319 not since then. Yeah. Yeah, no, we we never ever went 347 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,759 as like a brother and sister team. But I mean does he is he 348 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:38,960 still interested in it or would he not go near it again? Now, 349 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,440 as I said, he came on a most haunted event, I mean since 350 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:52,200 then, No, No, because I find that strange. Because I'm not 351 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,240 saying he's strange. I'm just saying very strange. When you've got that interested 352 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,960 in the parent normal and you have any been like that, how you can 353 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,000 just sort of want to go away from it and not not not be involved 354 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,039 in it again. I know, I know honestly, he was absolutely petrified, 355 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,359 would not go again. It really really frightened him. Whereas for me, 356 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,279 you know, I was just like so annoyed that that I missed it. 357 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,160 Yeah, I mean the most most of us would think, oh that 358 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,960 was great and sort of think, well that's more evidence, make a note 359 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,880 of that, and yeah, on to the next one, don't you. 360 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,160 Yeah, definitely definitely. But no, he he that was it. He 361 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:44,759 was done. So I didn't drive at the time, so I had I 362 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,759 couldn't really go, So you were stuck. I was stuck. Yeah. 363 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:55,680 So then I suppose then about twenty years ago, I you know, I 364 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,599 don't know how it sort of came about. I really don't, but I 365 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:07,960 trained as a spiritualist healer, and I did a bit of like mediumship and 366 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,400 I did that for about five years. But obviously I'm getting old and I 367 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,759 can't remember how how it actually sort of came about that I did that, 368 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,119 but it was brilliant. So yeah, because I was goingrectly ask you that 369 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,880 next, But what were you going to ask? Have you got any mediumship 370 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,920 skills? Were there? You go? Yeah? So I did that for 371 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:42,079 about sort of five years under a lovely, lovely local medium who's also a 372 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,559 reverend and she's still going now and I would recommend anybody to go and see 373 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,279 her. She's a lovely lady. So yeah, so I did that. 374 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,039 I enjoyed the sort of psychometry sort of side of it. You know when 375 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,079 you hold an object and you sort of try and get reading from there. 376 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:06,680 But you so you worked with our like spirit guides, and yeah, the 377 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,079 sort of heal inside. I do find that people do come to me, 378 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,640 or people do in my sort of my line of work, I get to 379 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,640 meet a lot of people and I can just sort of having a normal telephone 380 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960 conversation with them and then they pour their heart out to me and then they're 381 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200 like, I don't know, I don't know what made me say all this 382 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,599 to you. You know, I don't even know you, and I think 383 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:38,839 that is the sort of like heal inside of me that it sort of like 384 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,279 attracts people. It's like a spiritual message you're saying there, isn't it. 385 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Yeah, I mean, well you probably know that you do get attracted to 386 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,640 people in that way. I've known it quite a lot of times. And 387 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:59,599 yeah, the funny thing is when I when I approached you, Michael and 388 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:07,079 Nicol and I kind of felt that I want to say an attraction, but 389 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,319 I did actually think I've got to invite these people onto the show. For 390 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:14,799 some reason, something was telling me that I should do that, So I 391 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:16,559 do know what you mean. It's kind of a it's kind of a little 392 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,039 message you're getting in your head, isn't it. Yeah, you know, 393 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:25,000 definitely something I can't explain. But I've also had people say that to me 394 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:31,200 about attracted to me, but that they've come to speak to me about something, 395 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,920 you know, because of different things, you know. I mean, 396 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,359 the fact I'm actually doing this show. I was if you'd have asked me 397 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:43,640 like six years ago, would rather be doing this show The Apparent or show 398 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,079 I said that never, but you know, I was kind of drawn into 399 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:52,039 this, So there you go. It's a big life. Is a funny 400 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,079 old thing, isn't it? How some terms? And you know, my 401 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,839 great believer that you know, everything does happen for a reason, even if 402 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,720 you know at the time you know something you know horrendous could happen, and 403 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:08,599 you think you know why, but you know why me? But I'm a 404 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:17,480 sort of I'm always a why not me? When when you're at these events, 405 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:22,280 I don't think what's your opinion of things? Like when you see orbs 406 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,880 in some of these shows? I think, honestly, I think most of 407 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:35,079 the time is probably dust. I agree, a fly or yeah it's it's 408 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:42,360 it's not it. Orbs don't really do it for me now if it was 409 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920 a great big flashing ball of light. What mean? You do see these 410 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,719 occasionally, don't you? And things do seem to occur sometimes when something is 411 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,079 actually happening. Yeah, you might see a thing to a funny shape across 412 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,239 the screen or whatever. Yeah, And I do think they are real, 413 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:07,199 you know, they are genuine par that means the type of thing. I've 414 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,719 seen it myself a few times. But I do agree with you that probably 415 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,760 most of it is like that's floating a bit or insects an insect, you 416 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,760 know, particularly sort of in the summer months. You know, you do 417 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,760 see like a lot of things because we film in ir they do look sort 418 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:34,519 of they do look paranormal, but it's not something that we normally reference to. 419 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,000 It would have to it would have to look very different, yes, 420 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,480 even for it to sort of make the edit. Yeah, No, I 421 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:47,039 just wonder what your what your thoughts on it were? Well, And we 422 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:53,159 do a podcast on a Wednesday night with a guy called Grizzly Chris. I 423 00:35:53,199 --> 00:36:00,400 don't know if you've heard of him. Yeah, he's a great guy. 424 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:07,039 He's really really funny, but he does he does like lots and lots of 425 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:13,360 podcasts all day long, and he's he'll do like cold cases and have mediums 426 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:20,840 on. He's very much sort of into Bigfoot, sort of UFOs, anything 427 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,719 paranormal. And we were talking the other day and he's got set up some 428 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,920 trail cams and he's got some he's caught some amazing things that you know, 429 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,800 we just can't work out what they are. But then he said something that 430 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,239 he caught a flying rod. Have you heard a flying rod. Yes, 431 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:44,679 I've seen the pictures of them. Yeah. I was like, I've never 432 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,880 even heard of that. And he showed me a picture of what he caught, 433 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,320 and I was like, well, that's really bizarre because I I caught 434 00:36:52,360 --> 00:37:00,519 one of those me Nick and Nick. We're in a graveyard last August. 435 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,360 It was when it was really really hot and we were doing some filming and 436 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,679 stuff and I caught one of those, and I was like, I was 437 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,920 just horrified because I was like, what was that by my face? This 438 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,400 horrible long thing, and I just thought it was a bug, but I 439 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,599 didn't even realize that it potentially could be something. I mean, I've I've 440 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:24,360 sort of looked it up a bit, and a lot of people are just 441 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,320 saying that, you know that it is bugs, But some people have the 442 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,079 theory that is because it's being caught on a on a frame top of thing 443 00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,840 or on the camera, that it is actually just a bug and being caught 444 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,440 within a what it's doing is flowing sort of thing. It's got flying across 445 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,880 the screen and you're just actually different bits. I don't know. I mean, 446 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,679 I've seen some photographs of rod, so they do look pretty convincing. 447 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,599 Yeah, I mean, I'm sort of on the fence with that. Maybe 448 00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,880 there's a there's a double maybe they're ask them things where you can get a 449 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:01,960 it's on the camera, and maybe there are the real things, And I 450 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,679 really don't know convincing ones too. So yeah, no, I was just 451 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,920 horrified that this thing was like right near my face. Yeah, I mean 452 00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,400 I need more, to be honest, to make a decision on that. 453 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,400 I'll need more evidence on those for self. But like you're saying, they 454 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,840 are fascinating, they are interesting. It's a bit o big Foot, isn't 455 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,199 it. We all hear the Bigfoot stories, but actually seeing that, you 456 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,039 know, getting the evidence for a real one is one of those things that 457 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,880 evades us. It is, it is. But some of the as I 458 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,559 said, he's set up a load of trail cames and he's sort of done 459 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:47,480 them in this sort of grid, so he's got from all different angles. 460 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,679 And when when he first started talking about bigfoot, I was thinking, oh, 461 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,159 yeah, like a big hairy man and he's like, no, they're 462 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,280 not, They're not like that. I was like, well, what do 463 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,039 you mean and he said, well, they can actually sort of appear like 464 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,880 their their see through mm hmm. I know, and I'm like, well, 465 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,039 what do you mean, So he sent He's sent us some like some 466 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,800 footage of things that he's caught, and yeah, it is weird. It 467 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,400 is weird to me. That sounds a lot an interdimensional creature. Yeah, 468 00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,440 you know, something that can float in and out of different dimensions. There's 469 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:37,440 people out there that apparently feed them and talk to them. And I don't 470 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:43,920 know, I don't know. As I said, it's not something that I've 471 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,760 come across here, although you know, there are people that say that they've 472 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,760 seen them, but yeah, no, I think for me, I think 473 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,559 it is sort of more interdimensional. Yeah, well, I mean to me, 474 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,280 that makes sense. I mean that's why this show is called Paranormal Dimensions 475 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,159 because of the dimensional aspects of it. I think a lot a lot of 476 00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:12,519 things are linked dimensionally, and I'm including a lot of things like UFOs aliens. 477 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,880 Not that I don't believe this life in us on other planets as well, 478 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,119 but I think a lot of it is also in a dimensional as well. 479 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,719 So yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely. And will we ever? Will 480 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,679 we ever find the truth? Well, I don't know. I think we're 481 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,000 creeping close to closer to it as we go along. I mean, I 482 00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,360 don't think there are any experts in any of the fields. I know we 483 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,320 call people experts, but and there's also people that know a lot more about 484 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,039 it than others, but I don't think any of them are experts. You 485 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,880 know. Otherwise, an expert knows all the answers, but nobody knows all 486 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,440 the answers. No, No, that's one of the things that you know 487 00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,159 that we always say that there are no experts in this field. It's a 488 00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:01,199 very clever people who could write some fantastic books from fantastic series, but a 489 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,519 lot of that theory has got to be based on evidence, you know, 490 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,440 totally become an expert. Yes, that's that's my opinion, you know. 491 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,280 Yeah, no, it's mine too. I share that opinion whenever you hear 492 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,679 of someone being called an expert on the television or whatever, always saying, 493 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,199 no, nobody's an expert the other ways as I do this show, because 494 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,840 I'm constantly learning myself about different things, you know, learning from different people, 495 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,639 And yeah, anyway, that's that's that's what's what's your opinion? Have 496 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,360 you seen the UFOs at all? And I don't think so, but I 497 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,519 would love to. I really would I do believe. I do believe that. 498 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,280 You know, I've got nothing that I can base this on, but 499 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:58,519 I believe that you know that they they walk among us. Yeah, yeah, 500 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:04,599 I would agree with that. I think the thing is, I'm going 501 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,000 to say this, it might be controversial, but people can believe in a 502 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:12,079 religion there's got no evidence at all to do with it. But and then 503 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,920 they'll put they'll poo poo do with life on other planets. Now, to 504 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,880 me, that's kind of kind of crazy because there's really more evidence for life 505 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,639 and other planets than there is for any particular religion. I'm not going to 506 00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,239 say any region. But you know what I'm saying, don't you. It's 507 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:37,440 because definitely, definitely you know that there's no I'm not I'm not sort of 508 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,360 having to go to that's religious out there at all, but you know, 509 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,679 by any means. But it's just the fact that I do hear of people 510 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,360 saying, oh, there's no such thing as life on other planets, but 511 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,920 they'll believe in God for instance. You know, it's and he's starting to 512 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,159 think, well, how can you believe in that but not believe in something 513 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:59,559 that's physical and it's and and there's absolutely no doubt it's out there. Really. 514 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:00,920 I mean, we can't be the only ones, can we? Surely 515 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,000 not? Surely not. Yeah, And as you were saying, you know, 516 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:10,880 take for instance God, you know, And it's, for want of 517 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,639 a better sort of word, it's a story, isn't it. The Bible, 518 00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:22,480 it's written down, it's scriptures, isn't it. It's written by meant 519 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:29,039 by human beings as well. Nobody has ever seen him or some people say 520 00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:34,599 they they have, but do they, Yes, some people say they think 521 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,880 God will sing Christs or whatever. What's he looked like? Well, if 522 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,280 you go but if you go by the stories, he's he's got long blonde 523 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,679 here, long blonde beard and everything. Big man in the sky. Now, 524 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:54,960 I'm not having to go to anyone who got his beliefs. But the 525 00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,599 comparisons, that's all those sort of But I mean I saw, I mean 526 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,320 you you might not notice what I saw a UFO back in nineteen sixty I 527 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,639 think it was sixty six or six, so I think it was sixty seven. 528 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,159 But it was a big orange object going across the night sky actually, 529 00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,480 and it was pul it was pulsating. But this orange it wasn't like a 530 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:20,360 bright orange light. It was like different shades of orange all blending together, 531 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,039 you know, like lava. It was like that was that kind of light. 532 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:29,159 You know, it was quite amazing, completely silent. Yes, about 533 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,719 one o'clock in the morning. Was that in this country as in this country 534 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,039 in Essexure where I live. So yeah, I was coming back from a 535 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,119 girlfriend sort of the hours of the morning, and they was going across the 536 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:45,719 light square. You didn't lose any time or anything like that. No, 537 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,519 funny enough, it was around about that time I was actually starting to get 538 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,480 interested in UFOs and things as well. You know, that's kind of the 539 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:59,840 strange thing about it. I mean, I've also told this story a few 540 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,599 time. I'm sorry if I listened to this. I'm sorry if you've heard 541 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:06,119 it before. When I was a kid sitting on my steps, I was 542 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:07,360 born in London. You see what you might not be able to tell. 543 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,880 But I was born in London. I didn't leave London. So I was 544 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,639 about sixteen. I was sitting on my steps in the early evening. I 545 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:21,480 was looking up at the stars for as it disappearing sort of thing, and 546 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,679 I was watching a star moving and stopping and moving and stopping. Now, 547 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,440 I'm talking about in the late fifties here. There wasn't things like satellites and 548 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,119 things up there. So at the time, when I was a kid, 549 00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:35,280 I just thought, oh, it's a star moving and stopping, you know. 550 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:37,960 But it was when I got into my mid teens I thought, well, 551 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,840 a minute, what was that I was watching back then? Watching this 552 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,559 star moving and stopping and moving and stopping. Stars don't do that, So 553 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,199 that may have been my first UFO I saw, you know, back then. 554 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:58,119 Now, I would love, love, love to see a UFO. 555 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,000 I'm always looking, yeah. I mean the thing is, I think you 556 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:07,159 could actually you usually see them by accident or when you're not expecting it. 557 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:14,159 More and more when you're these people go on these UFO watches and things, 558 00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,960 and I think you're more likely to see it just by chance. Yeah, 559 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,519 you know, and then you've got to work out and make sure you're not 560 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:24,440 seeing an aeroplane or something up there. Yeah, this is it. But 561 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,079 oh no, I would love to I would love to see a full on, 562 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,320 a full on UFO. I think everyone would. You're still young, 563 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,760 you're still got time. Well, I spend a lot of time in the 564 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:45,239 dark, So what about have you got any feelings about elemental beings, you 565 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:58,519 know, things like theories and stuff like that. Yes, I believe in 566 00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,800 them. I don't want people to think that I'm nuts, but no, 567 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,760 no, no, I'm asking that for a reason because I'm on the same 568 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,280 way of their pursue. Here, if you'd have asked me like a year 569 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,880 or so ago about theories, I think, oh, yeah, okay, 570 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:19,079 they're just fairy stories. But I've actually spoken to somebody who is very convincing 571 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,840 telling me about theories and goblins and things like that, and you know they're 572 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,719 not also the everything like hearing like walk Disney stories. No, no, 573 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,199 and see, see this is a thing I believe. I believe in sort 574 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:39,440 of like fairies, sprites, things like that. And you know, very 575 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:47,119 often if I'm walking in like an awarded area, I often feel like they 576 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:52,920 are around. I'm going to sound like I'm completely nuts, aren't they obviously? 577 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,840 No, No, no, believe me, people listening in to the 578 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,119 show. We're all nuts anyway, So I don't worry about it. Yeah, 579 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,599 I do. I do believe that they are around. Oh there's honestly, 580 00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:07,079 I'm going sound nuts, and sometimes I do. I talk to them, 581 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:09,920 so yeah, that that was why that was my long pause. It's 582 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,679 like, yeah, got long palls. Yeah, yes, do I actually 583 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,639 reveal that. Yeah, I do believe in phairies, and yeah sometimes I 584 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:24,079 do talk to them. I feel like they're watching. Yeah, I mean 585 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:29,199 again, I mean again, I believe that these are interdimensional beings that can 586 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,480 floating out of different dimensions. Some people have got that power. Yeah, 587 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:37,400 and I think that's what fairies and goblings and all that sort of thing. 588 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,239 Oh, I really do. Yeah. It's kind of come from somewhere, 589 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,760 hasn't it. You know, Well, there's so many old legends and things 590 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,599 from go back hundreds of years. Isn't there where people have seen these things 591 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,360 and had experiences with them so exactly, So those stories have got to come 592 00:48:54,360 --> 00:49:00,360 from somewhere. Yeah, it's like the old giants stories. I mean, 593 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,519 I believe that there were once giants on the earth, as some of the 594 00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:07,079 old legends go. I believe that too. What about dragons, Yeah, 595 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,880 well quite quite possibly. We hear about the reptilianadiens, don't we we do. 596 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,840 Yeah. Oh you've got that linkage there. And when you see so 597 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,239 many buildings that are around the around the all around the globe, actually, 598 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,760 you've got some dragons and gargoyles outside the Where did all that come from? 599 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:29,199 Exactly? Even on our flags and things, you got to dragons and stuff, 600 00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,599 So it must have come from somewhere. It's definitely definitely come from somewhere. 601 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,119 So yeah, I believe. I believe. So that fascinates me. 602 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,519 The vampire legends, Yeah, whether they actually existed or not or could that 603 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:55,400 be another it's a dimensional being of some sort, it could be. I 604 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,440 mean, I've I've always sort of I've always been fascinated by the sort of 605 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:07,760 vampires and wear wolves and things like that. But I would say ID probably 606 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:15,119 more frightened about that side of things than I am the sort of like spirits 607 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:21,559 and ghosts. They are more like the demonic entities, aren't they. If 608 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,159 they if they exist or if they existed, they are more demonic, And 609 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,119 I guess you must have some sort of ideas and believes in that too. 610 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,400 But you know, if you're interested in the paranormal and ghost something, what 611 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,519 about the diaminic the demonic side of it? Demonic side, Yeah, I 612 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:49,360 do believe in in the in the darker side. I don't think, you 613 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,280 know, I think there's you've got some of the companies that are around that 614 00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,719 you know, everything is a demon, you know, and it's you know, 615 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:07,440 it's not like that, but we have had that there has there is 616 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:13,159 one location that we have now vowed that we will never go back. Yeah. 617 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:22,159 We've been there about twelve times in total. Yeah. Not good where 618 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:27,039 it is though, are you I can say? I can say do you 619 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:35,360 want me to say? Okay? It's a location in Staffordshire called Bishton Hall. 620 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:45,559 Yeah. So it's it's a very old property obviously, and we've had 621 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:55,880 to all of us have experienced some kind of attachment from there. Yeah, 622 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,719 where it's sort of affected live so much so that we've had to you know, 623 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:07,880 sort of like do a lot of cleansing and you know, sort of 624 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:15,480 protection spouse all those sorts of things because there is something there that is not 625 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:27,320 very nice. I believe that I've seen it and it didn't look nice, 626 00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:32,960 you know, like on like some of the heavy metal sort of like bands, 627 00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,800 you sort of their sort of album covers can sort of have like their 628 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,880 look sort of like demons, you know, like with the sort of heads 629 00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,360 and the horns. It had sort of a face like that, but it 630 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:52,440 was kind of snake like part of it was, but then the bottom half 631 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,039 was more like more like a horse, you know, more like devil type 632 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:07,039 looking. So yeah, I saw it, and Nicola got scratched by it. 633 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:15,960 Yeah, and Nicola and Michael also heard it because it had hoofs. 634 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,519 So that's a story that they can tell you all about. But as I 635 00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:23,480 said, we'll be getting those on the show as well in a few weeks 636 00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:28,719 as well, at least we were in a couple of months anyway. Yeah. 637 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,199 So yeah, and it's it's sort of like I think it's sort of 638 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:38,199 affected our health, you know. Yeah, well, I think the interesting 639 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,239 thing with that is, I mean, anyone listening, if you've been to 640 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,159 Bishton Hall, maybe you've had had some experiences about that as well, and 641 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:49,039 maybe a lot, So let me know about it and I can mention it. 642 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,280 Yeah. Yeah, honestly, we we nicknamed him the goat man. 643 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,559 He obviously we don't. I wanted his name, but he wouldn't ever give 644 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,079 his name. But he liked it if you were if there was just sort 645 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:09,320 of two of you, so this is down in the cellars of this place. 646 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,719 He liked it if there was just two of you. He would always 647 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:21,280 pick on the weakest one. I've seen him knock women to their feet honestly, 648 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,440 sorry, off their feet. He's he's a nasty, nasty little man. 649 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,119 That sounds. Yeah. And so when we were sort of talking on 650 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:38,079 some of our podcasts we've had some mediums on and when we've sort of shown 651 00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:43,840 them sort of pictures of the location, they've picked up on this on this 652 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,480 sort of entity and sort of sort of saying that basically, you know, 653 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:55,239 we really need to sort of keep away from that. Wow, yes, 654 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,480 sort of. I mean some of the things saying, now you know, 655 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,960 he's invested in us, and you know he's not going to stop, and 656 00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:07,000 he gets what he wants and everybody he's not having us. So do they 657 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,039 do they do ghost downs there as well as the other teams and things, 658 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:15,320 do you yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's available to hire for 659 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:22,480 you know, for events companies or private hire. So have you spoken so 660 00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,519 you are from other teams? Have they the experiences like that as well? 661 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,800 No, they've had a few. I mean the very first time we went 662 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:39,360 there, we failed. We wouldn't go again because it was so quiet and 663 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,239 we were like, oh god, you know I'm not when you know this 664 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,559 isn't one that we will revisit. I ended up going there again when I 665 00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:55,880 was working for Most Taunted Experience, and the activity was just off the wall, 666 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,360 and I was like, guys, guys, we've got to go back. 667 00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:02,119 And so we kept going back and back and back and back, and 668 00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:07,800 things were just sort of like things were being thrown. So whatever's there is 669 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:20,360 there's poltergeist activity, So marbles thrown golf balls. Honestly, it's one of 670 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,679 those places that it's sort of very sort of all or nothing. So with 671 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,599 that Most Haunted Experience and everything kicking or you say that a lot of things 672 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:36,639 happened on that experience, yes, yes, So then did you not think 673 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:40,760 that because nothing happened on the first visit, that maybe someone was playing games 674 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:47,039 and making things happen. No, No, because it was the second So 675 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,960 nothing happened on the first visit, and that was with the Most Haunted Experience, 676 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,000 and then with them again, I was with Most Haunted Experience, and 677 00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:01,800 that's when things were sort of like started to happen. And then that all 678 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:09,480 the other times that we've been back, it's just been as FDL and that's 679 00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:16,840 when we've had marbles thrown we've had, you know, the golf balls move. 680 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,840 I mean, as I said, I'm not a fan of wigi boards, 681 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,920 but we just having a wigi board in the location with him, you 682 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:35,880 would hear his footsteps as plain as day, would come right up close to 683 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:42,440 you. Well, and this this is with us, so that this is 684 00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:51,119 like with FDL to hear one him walked down the corridor and be right in 685 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:55,639 front of you. And it's honestly, it just it makes it the sort 686 00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,719 of feelings that you get in there, it's it's very very oppressive, it's 687 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:07,920 very dark. Do you feel back Do you feel that it's just one in 688 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:13,159 one sort of main entity there or the more than one. No, I 689 00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,559 believe that. I believe there's him, and I believe he's got like a 690 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:27,119 like a little minion as well, because we've we've seen sort of something big 691 00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:34,840 and then something smaller sort of next to him. So well, yeahs in 692 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,159 the hall everyone, Yeah, that that is one that we we've said, 693 00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:42,760 that's it, we're done, when we're not going to be going about That 694 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,719 makes you want to go, Yeah, definitely, I would recommend it to 695 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:53,199 anybody. Absolutely. Yeah, it really does make me want to go anyway, 696 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,960 so we sort of went full circle here back to the most again, 697 00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:01,400 didn't we we did. I thank you so much for coming on the show. 698 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,800 If we'll have to word it up there, but it's been brilliant talking 699 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,760 to you. I'm looking forward to Do you go into the festival for the 700 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,280 unexplained to give this shop? Absolutely? Yes, we most definitely are good. 701 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,960 Are you there for the whole weekend this time? I don't think we'll 702 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,199 be able to make the whole weekend because of like family commitments and things. 703 00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:25,039 I don't think my husband would forgive me. It's like that, is it? 704 00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:30,320 Okay? Yeah, yeah, no, he's good enough to let me 705 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,519 go out and GHO stunting as much as what he does. Well, we'll 706 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:38,400 run into you there then, hopefully don't forget so. Yeah, obviously I'll 707 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:44,000 have Mike and Nick on the show before that, Michael, they'll be on 708 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,440 the show before that as well, anyway, so brilliant. And I'll get 709 00:59:47,719 --> 00:59:53,800 to tell some stories about you as well. Yeah, sure they will anyway. 710 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,079 As you I'll let you go. Thank you very much for coming on. 711 00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,800 It's been brilliant talking to you, and thank you. I look forward 712 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,159 to seeing you again. Thank you well take care of yourself. Thank you, 713 01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:08,880 good bye, bye, bye bye, there we are. That was 714 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,880 Angie Shelley. Thank you. Angie and your other two team members will be 715 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,800 on in a not too distant future, hopefully well. Our next show is 716 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,079 with a gentleman named Mark Manley. He has his own podcast show too, 717 01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:28,400 It is called Dork Mirror. Mark is interested in all types of paranormal investigations 718 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,320 and events, so shall We're looking forward to a long chat with Mark will 719 01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:36,760 no doubt dive in and out of all sorts of subjects. So that's Mark 720 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,880 Manley on March the eighteenth Monday. But as always between now and then, 721 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,840 if you'd like to get in touch with me, my email address is David 722 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,400 Young Too, q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. That's David Young 723 01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:54,039 too, q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. So until the next 724 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:59,159 time, that's March the eighteenth Monday. Of course, as always with Mark 725 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,119 Manly, we're always speak to you again and I hope you'll join me, 726 01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,320 So take care of you one. Thank you for joining me this time. 727 01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,480 By by time for good to bid light. It is late. Shall we 728 01:01:10,519 --> 01:02:29,559 retire, good night, leave date pleasant terrainsy Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays 729 01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:31,039 on the Paranormal UK Radio network.