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Hello and welcome to the show. As always, I'm David Young. For
this show once again, I'm returning to the world of paranormal investigation and for
that I have another paranormal investigator. She's part of a group called FDL which
she will explain what that means. Her name is Angie Shelley. This actual
show was to you to be Maria Wheatley, but that plan show will now
be in April, but I believe it will be show number two hundred.
Anyway back to this particular show and we'll go back into the world of paranormal
investigation, and my guest is Angie Shelley. Hello, Angie, welcome to
the show. Hello, Hello, it's nice to welcome you. No,
it's nice to welcome you. It's always nice to get somebody I haven't really
spoken to very much in the past on the show occasionally because quite often the
guests, you know, I know him quite well, and you know,
we've sort of had a lot of conversations, but with you, we haven't
had a chance to do that at the moment, haven't. So it's quite
nice to welcome you than hopefully find out a bit about you and what you're
all about. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Now, we had a short
word that the festively unexplained in twenty three. Yeah, it was right.
Yeah, I sound I like to get you on the show because you had
your little group. There is it your group? It's the FDL group,
Yeah, FDL Paranormal. Yeah, so it's we don't sort of have a
leader as such, you know, we were all in it together. So
no, no sort of nobody in childe sort of thing. Yeah, what
is if? What is if? The actually made before we go any further.
Well, fd L stands for Friends Don't Lie. Ah, right,
okay, that's nice. Yeah it is. Actually it came about from the
series Stranger Things. I don't know if you've heard of it. Yes,
I saw a few of those. Yeah. Yeah. It was one of
the things that that Al used to say on it, that that you know,
her friends don't lie. Now you say that, it comes back to
me. Yeah, yeah, And and to be honest, that's what we're
all about, because we really pride ourselves on bringing the truth. You know,
we go on investigations and if we don't get anything, that's the episode
that's you know, that we show you know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean obviously you've been a go tounts myself caught quite a few of
times, and obviously things don't happen all the time. Don't do that.
Yeah, it's not like on the shows you see where they have been there
for eight or nine hours and then they're showing it all within fifty minutes or
whatever. You know. Yeah, it's I mean quite a lot of the
times I've been shut on punts and that you're sort of getting really fed up.
You get gets quite boring and you think, oh, let's just check
it all in and go, you know. Yeah, And honestly, so
we'll do sort of like twelve hour investigations sometimes and yeah, sometimes nothing happens.
But I think because we are such good friends, we sort of it's
for us. It's it's almost like a night out. Yeah, sure,
exactly exactly, and you know, and we we just love, you know,
sort of go into different locations, you know, finding out the history
about it and you know, and and just seeing what's there, and you
know, and if we are lucky enough, you know, we we have
caught some great things, some really good things. But on the flip side,
we have had nights where we've had nothing. We've got absolutely nothing.
I know, it's exactly what I'll ask you about some of those things you've
got. But I know, quite often on these evenings when you go out
and you think nothing's happening, and you just think, oh, I'll just
go home, and then all of a sudden, something will happen and it
will make you think, oh, that was interesting, and it just makes
the whole evening worth it. Yeah. Well, we very often find you
know, sometimes we'll come away from a from a venue and we'll think that
nothing's happened. But when we're going through the edit, there's all sorts in
there, so you'll get like the EVPs electronic voice phenomenas, you know,
voices things that we clearly haven't heard at the time, but they've been picked
up on the audio. So that's interesting because obviously you might have to look
through a lot of film as well, but if you've been filming a lot
of it, you might have brought ten hours of film or something. You've
got to go through and see if anything happened that you didn't notice at the
time. Yeah, well we've we've now got three cameras as well, so
film exactly exactly. And my lovely colleagues who are Nick and Mick, they
do all of the edits. So credit Nick and Mick. Now I know
it was Nicola and Michael, but Nichola and Michael Michael when he's naughty and
Mick when he's being Mick. So yeah, they do all the editing,
and you know, I'm absolutely super proud of them. They do an amazing
job. So, I mean we only started about eighteen months ago. I
knew you were a new group. Yeah, yeah, so FDL, Yeah,
that began sort of like eighteen months ago and they've never done any editing
or anything like that. They had some help from their son Jack and he
comes with us as well on a lot of the events and he was like,
oh, you know, mom and dad, this is how you do
it, and so that they've got so good at it. They really have,
but obviously it takes them hours and hours. So have you had a
lot of crash you've met to up by a lot of stuff and you know,
lot of equipment and things within a short period, or or have you
been saving it between you sort of over the years. Well, I suppose
over the years we've sort of accrued the you know, the things that everybody
has, like the K two meters and the rempods and the wonderful cat boards
but we call them ghost boards. So we've got a lot of that anyway.
But I suppose it's it's the cameras and all the technical stuff you need
for the editing is the things that we've sort of accrued now over the last
sort of eighteen months. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean it can get
quite expensive equipment, especially the rimpled I still want to get one. I
still haven't got one yet, but wow, Mick actually made one. He
did, he did. He took one apart that he had and he was
like, wanted to see sort of how it worked, and he was like,
I think I can make that. And then yeah, so he has
actually made one, so I know that if I could say, if I
had a drawer, I could make one too, because I was in that
business actually business, so I could Actually I couldn't design one, but I
could actually make one from a you know, from a copy. Yeah,
yeah, that's what That's what he did and and it's brilliant. We've had
some amazing, amazing sort of responses from it. But you know it,
it doesn't work everywhere you go. We find that sort of different locations we
go to, you'll find that one piece of equipment sort of works better than
another, which we're guessing is the sort of like the energies in that building,
it's what they can use. Yeah, it's change, isn't it.
Do you do you ever find the batteries getting drained? Yes, yeah,
absolutely, not so much. I would say on torches and things like that
like you see in the movies, but certainly our camera actress and it won't
just happen on one It will happen on all three at the same time,
and then you know, everything is sort of fully charged before we go.
We take all the charge in equipment with us when we go as well.
Yeah, we've had quite a few locations where that has happened. Yeah,
it's strange, isn't it When that happens. It is it is. I
mean, you know, it's just one of those things, isn't it.
That's the nature of the game. Well, especially where it's cameras, because
it seems as if they don't want you to film what you're doing, you
know. Yeah, we were in a location a couple of weeks ago,
Whittington Castle, and this has never happened to us before. We were in
the middle of a visual and we were getting some good sort of audio responses
and for of a reason, camera switched off. It just completely switched off.
And then so it's got the sort of start of us sort of going
into the visual and then it completely goes and then it just switches back on
when we're saying okay, thank you, you know, we're going to head
to another part of the building now. So it wasn't like we knocked it
off or anything like that. Yeah, Yeah, it was a locked off
camera, so it wasn't like anybody was holding it or anything like that.
So yeah, So that happened in one part of the building, and then
in another part of the building it happened again on a different camera, So
it wasn't like just the one camera was sort of having a bit of a
wobbly or anything like that. It happened on another camera as well, So
and that hasn't happened to us before. So we really do feel whatever was
there, it wasn't particularly happy with us filming, or maybe there were camera
shy well. I also, which goes alongside there is it's kind of a
verification of its own, isn't it when that is because you know something paranormal
is going on. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, we were absolutely gobsmacked when
when we were going through the edit that you know that you could sort of
put it down to if it happens just with the one camera, they'd be
like, Okay, maybe there's a problem, But to happen on a completely
different camera as well, and the same sort of like situation, you know,
we were about to we were doing a visual a few minutes in completely
switched off and then came back on again as we were ending the visual.
Yeah. See, things like that you just can't explain them, can you.
No. Absolutely. I mean I've been a couple of ghost hands where
we view mag like torchies. Yeah, and I've seen them go on and
off, you know, with nobody anywhere in the ear. And that just
amazes me, the fact that because you know, you've got physically suspecially one
and off exactly, and when it's sort of responding to you know, for
a yes, and I know it's it, for instance, and it does
it to that command with nobody anywhere in Erea, it just blows my mind.
Yeah. Absolutely, That's what I was going to say. When when
it's responsive, it's it does it, it blows your mind. I think
the thing is, even though we go on these ghost hunts and obviously we
believe in life after death and everything. I'm sure you do, you still
every time you're still looking for that verification, aren't you? That you know
of these events? Do you feel that way? Yeah, because I mean,
no two locations that are the same, you know, the sort of
energy is the feelings that obviously the history. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Yeah,
that's what I find that interesting. Also it is like the history,
like you say, I mean, I think when I watch it, even
like the old Most Haunted, I mean, that's the thing that started it
all, isn't it really for everybody even to look at those shows now,
I know they're coming for a bit of stick occasionally for quite a lot,
quite a lot of stick actually, but there's still the locations and things that
they go to and the history behind them, I think is it's great when
they sort of give that little bit of a paranormal history to them, and
you know, I think that's why they're so good. Actually, it's not
so much the actual investigation they're doing, it's the history of the place itself.
Oh. Absolutely, you know. They you know, they did sort
of like I would say, sort of very responsible for you know, a
lot of the sort of paranorm more groups and the TV programs that are on
now. You know, well, there was nothing like it at the time,
was there when they started out? No? No, absolutely not.
And and talking of Most Haunted, I was lucky enough to work for Most
Haunted Experience. I'll send your photos asking yeah, yeah, so yeah,
And I used to go on the their ghost hunts that they do, their
events and so I was lucky enough to sort of join the team. And
and that's where I met nick and Mick. Ah see, yeah, that's
Nicolas and Michael to me and Michael, Yes, that's where I met Nikola
and Michael because they were they were also team members. You got any little
secrets us about those events? I mean, did you see anything that has
been foisted upon the paying public or were they all sort of strape You don't
have to say, don't want to know. Honestly, I never saw anything
that I could say was sort of done deliberately. Not during the events that
we were on. Obviously, we as a team member, you're leading sort
of groups of the public on ghost haunts, and we got to go to
some amazing, amazing locations. So no, I mean very often, although
the celebrities were there on some of the events, they weren't on all of
them. So no. And the manager at the time, she, you
know, she's very much that you know, if anybody fakes anything, they
are off the team. Yeah, and I can vouch for, you know,
for all the team members that were there and who was still there that
you know, No, they did not fake anything. Now by the manager,
you know, is that Eve herself or somebody else. They're So the
manager of Most Haunted Experience is a lady called Jenny, and she is the
actual locations manager Foremost Haunted. So on the episode you'll see her name come
up on the credits. But I would imagine that obviously Carl and Levett have
some input into it, and they're lovely people. Met them loads and loads
of times. Yeah, and all of them, Greg and Stuart bless him,
and then yeah, they're they're there are nice bunch of people. And
I'm very, very grateful that, you know that I got all of that
experience from them, and you know, the hundreds of locations that we used
to go to up and down the country are just amazing. Yeah, I
mean I was saying that I believe that they started out with good intentions right
from the scratch, you know. And I believe because it was on a
kind of a mainstream TV show channel channel four. I think it was on
I think something like that. Now, if you think about this, if
you're not getting any results as you as you said earlier, you're not getting
results at night, Yeah, you need to come up with a TV show,
don't you? A lot of a lot of money has been spent with
sending the team out to a place, so I think you could be quite
tempted into trying to think or nothing excepting we've got to do something, you
know. Yes, you see what I'm getting at. And I think this
has happened in the past with something like something like that. They know they've
got to sort of come up with something, and they sort of get tricked
into taking something, you know. Yeah, I mean this was a question
that you sort of used to come up sort of before the event when Carl
would be speaking to the people that were attending and if anybody had any questions,
you know, and very often he would say that, yes, on
our episode, you will you know, it looks like there is a lot
happening, but we've been at that location for three days, so what you're
seeing is, you know, just snippets which are condensed down into make making
an episode. Yeah, a few yeahs, That's what I said. The
beginning. You could be there for a lot annoine hours you're getting it down.
It's a lot half an hour after they've done all the history and everything.
Yeah, but he would say, you know that they've got just as
much footage you know where absolutely nothing happens. But yeah, no, I
agree they you know, I think, you know, certainly more recently they
are coming sort of under fire a bit. Yeah. I think it was
kind of about halfway through their existence until four. Yeah, obviously they might
have been in danger of having the plug pool, you know, if they've
got if they're coming up with shows that are not producing anything. You know,
there's a lot of money going down the drain and the producers which you
just pulled a plug on this because it's costing too much and we're not getting
shows out of it. You know. I think that's that's the danger with
something like that, because yeah, you're really open to what's happening, aren't
you you know? Yeah, yeah, And I think you know, there's
there's a lot of sort of big names in the paranormal field that are on
YouTube that have been caught out recently as well, haven't they? And yeah,
this this is what I mean. So with ours we might not have.
I think we've got sort of I don't know, I can't even remember
how many subs we've got. They have gone up recently, but we you
know, we haven't got anywhere near as much as the sort of some of
the other big names. But we don't fake things. So if people watch
it and they're like, oh, you know, this is rubbish because nothing's
happening. Yeah, but you have I think the thing is with you.
You haven't got a sponsor that's sort of pouring money into your show or whatever.
You've probably all got jobs of the separates of the thing, so you're
not making you're not making a living out of it, you see what.
Yeah, when you're doing something that's your business and you're making a living out
of it, I think you can get tempted into thinking or nothing cepting I've
got to do something to make it interesting, you know. I think that's
what kind of what happened on a few of those shows, not probably not
intentionally to you know, they didn't start out to sort of deceive the public,
but I think they kind of what you know, that's the road you
can go down. Yeah, Oh absolutely, I'm saying. And I still
enjoy it, and I still enjoy most haunted. I mean, I'm going
to see the show in South End. Actually in my ye I've got a
front row seats, so excellent chance I get to speak to you it or
oh yeah, lovely anyway, forget about all that for there. Now,
how did you get into the paranormal? Have you? Does it go back
into your childhood? It does, it really does. So I would say
my first sort of like paranormal experience was when I was about three years old,
and I don't actually remember it, but it is a story that my
mom, you know, she still towers to this day. My granddad died
about twelve months before I was born, and and sort of all through my
childhood and even now, you know, everybody spoke about him as if he
was still here. So I was never, you know, sort of afraid
of when people die and sort of ghosts and things like that. But just
going back to this story, my mom said that I was about three years
old. I was in my NaN's back garden and she was hanging some washing
out and she said that I was laughing and pointing up into the bedroom window,
and she said, who are you pointing at? And I said it
was granddad and she said, what do you mean. I said, he's
playing peepot And as I said, I can't remember because I was only three
years old, but my mom is absolutely convinced that he was there looking playing
Peopo with me. So and as I said, because my nan and my
mom spoke about him all the time, I just always sort of felt that,
you know, that he was around and things like that. So,
and you thought of him as Grendad, did you at the time. Yeah,
that's the weird that's the weird thing, the fact that he died before
you were born, but you still thought of him as Grendad. Yeah,
oh absolutely, and I still do. I still do, you know,
I mean, obviously sorry, maybe he's your granddad, obviously he's not.
What I mean is you recognized him as your Grendad. That's what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely so so yeah, and you know,
I think from then and sort of going on from that, as I said,
I'd never been sort of like frightened about ghosts or anything like that.
I also had so my great great aunt was a medium who traveled the country
in the sort of late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds, and so my nan
used to tell me lots of stories about her Auntie and and you know,
the sort of the old sort of like seances and things that she used to
do. So again, it's sort of like I don't know, it was
I think because things like that were talked about, it wasn't sort of it
wasn't scary. And I mean I remember being sort of about ten or eleven
years old doing a Luigi board with my nan and yeah, and although although
now as FDL we don't sort of get you know, much from them,
to be honest, and whether it you know, it could have been my
nan pushing it, I don't know, but it was just one of those
things that, you know, it never ever frightened me. So yeah,
so it's it's kind of bizarre. Then. So when I was about eighteen
and me and my two brothers were used to go ghost hunting, so this
is sort of like in the late eighties when nobody really sort of used to
do it. Then we would like sort of go off sort of like at
twelve o'clock and we go to like places that were supposed to be haunted,
like woods or you know, ancient ancient burial grounds and stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah, so we would do that. I just loved it.
I love the I love the feeling that you get when you know you're scared,
but you're not scared, if you see what I mean. It's like
the adrenaline, isn't it. Anything happened on those meetings. We had a
couple of sort of things where we had we'd sort of part the car at
the bottom of this of like long driveway. It was in the middle of
nowhere, and we were walking up to where this church was and the car
alarm went off and we were like what. So we ran back down just
we think, oh my god, is somebody breaking into the car. Nobody
around checked it all over, went back up, carl alarm went off again.
So was that paranormal? I don't know, but it like it frightened
us. And then one night we went to a place called the roll Right
Stones, and I don't know if you've heard of it. It's sort of
like Oxfordshire, and it's it's like a small stone circle which is supposed to
be sort of like they say, yeah they you said that, yeah,
yeah, yeah. And so we were we'd been there and we were,
you know, just sort of messing around. We were driving back. I
was in the front seat, my brother was driving, and I closed my
eyes and I'm so annoyed at myself, but I felt the car like swerve
and I sort of I OpEd my eyes and I was like, what was
that thinking. He was going to say it was a deer or something,
and he was as white as a sheet and his fingers were just sort of
like gripping the steering wheel, and I was like, what's wrong and he
was like, I've just seen a ghost and yeah, he said it was
just as you would imagine it to be. So it was like a white,
sort of misty, sort of shadowy figure of a young girl. And
it absolutely freaked him out to the point where he was like, I'm not
doing this again. But I was like so annoyed because I'd like close my
eyes so that, you know, for him to see a full apparition.
And we researched it over the like the coming week weeks and it was an
area where a girl had actually been October. I was actually going to ask
you that I did you look. Yeah. Yeah, so it was so,
but he has never been since never Oh no, I tell her lie.
He did come on the most Haunted event when I worked for them,
So he did come on an event at Guy's cliff House in Warwick, but
not since then. Yeah. Yeah, no, we we never ever went
as like a brother and sister team. But I mean does he is he
still interested in it or would he not go near it again? Now,
as I said, he came on a most haunted event, I mean since
then, No, No, because I find that strange. Because I'm not
saying he's strange. I'm just saying very strange. When you've got that interested
in the parent normal and you have any been like that, how you can
just sort of want to go away from it and not not not be involved
in it again. I know, I know honestly, he was absolutely petrified,
would not go again. It really really frightened him. Whereas for me,
you know, I was just like so annoyed that that I missed it.
Yeah, I mean the most most of us would think, oh that
was great and sort of think, well that's more evidence, make a note
of that, and yeah, on to the next one, don't you.
Yeah, definitely definitely. But no, he he that was it. He
was done. So I didn't drive at the time, so I had I
couldn't really go, So you were stuck. I was stuck. Yeah.
So then I suppose then about twenty years ago, I you know, I
don't know how it sort of came about. I really don't, but I
trained as a spiritualist healer, and I did a bit of like mediumship and
I did that for about five years. But obviously I'm getting old and I
can't remember how how it actually sort of came about that I did that,
but it was brilliant. So yeah, because I was goingrectly ask you that
next, But what were you going to ask? Have you got any mediumship
skills? Were there? You go? Yeah? So I did that for
about sort of five years under a lovely, lovely local medium who's also a
reverend and she's still going now and I would recommend anybody to go and see
her. She's a lovely lady. So yeah, so I did that.
I enjoyed the sort of psychometry sort of side of it. You know when
you hold an object and you sort of try and get reading from there.
But you so you worked with our like spirit guides, and yeah, the
sort of heal inside. I do find that people do come to me,
or people do in my sort of my line of work, I get to
meet a lot of people and I can just sort of having a normal telephone
conversation with them and then they pour their heart out to me and then they're
like, I don't know, I don't know what made me say all this
to you. You know, I don't even know you, and I think
that is the sort of like heal inside of me that it sort of like
attracts people. It's like a spiritual message you're saying there, isn't it.
Yeah, I mean, well you probably know that you do get attracted to
people in that way. I've known it quite a lot of times. And
yeah, the funny thing is when I when I approached you, Michael and
Nicol and I kind of felt that I want to say an attraction, but
I did actually think I've got to invite these people onto the show. For
some reason, something was telling me that I should do that, So I
do know what you mean. It's kind of a it's kind of a little
message you're getting in your head, isn't it. Yeah, you know,
definitely something I can't explain. But I've also had people say that to me
about attracted to me, but that they've come to speak to me about something,
you know, because of different things, you know. I mean,
the fact I'm actually doing this show. I was if you'd have asked me
like six years ago, would rather be doing this show The Apparent or show
I said that never, but you know, I was kind of drawn into
this, So there you go. It's a big life. Is a funny
old thing, isn't it? How some terms? And you know, my
great believer that you know, everything does happen for a reason, even if
you know at the time you know something you know horrendous could happen, and
you think you know why, but you know why me? But I'm a
sort of I'm always a why not me? When when you're at these events,
I don't think what's your opinion of things? Like when you see orbs
in some of these shows? I think, honestly, I think most of
the time is probably dust. I agree, a fly or yeah it's it's
it's not it. Orbs don't really do it for me now if it was
a great big flashing ball of light. What mean? You do see these
occasionally, don't you? And things do seem to occur sometimes when something is
actually happening. Yeah, you might see a thing to a funny shape across
the screen or whatever. Yeah, And I do think they are real,
you know, they are genuine par that means the type of thing. I've
seen it myself a few times. But I do agree with you that probably
most of it is like that's floating a bit or insects an insect, you
know, particularly sort of in the summer months. You know, you do
see like a lot of things because we film in ir they do look sort
of they do look paranormal, but it's not something that we normally reference to.
It would have to it would have to look very different, yes,
even for it to sort of make the edit. Yeah, No, I
just wonder what your what your thoughts on it were? Well, And we
do a podcast on a Wednesday night with a guy called Grizzly Chris. I
don't know if you've heard of him. Yeah, he's a great guy.
He's really really funny, but he does he does like lots and lots of
podcasts all day long, and he's he'll do like cold cases and have mediums
on. He's very much sort of into Bigfoot, sort of UFOs, anything
paranormal. And we were talking the other day and he's got set up some
trail cams and he's got some he's caught some amazing things that you know,
we just can't work out what they are. But then he said something that
he caught a flying rod. Have you heard a flying rod. Yes,
I've seen the pictures of them. Yeah. I was like, I've never
even heard of that. And he showed me a picture of what he caught,
and I was like, well, that's really bizarre because I I caught
one of those me Nick and Nick. We're in a graveyard last August.
It was when it was really really hot and we were doing some filming and
stuff and I caught one of those, and I was like, I was
just horrified because I was like, what was that by my face? This
horrible long thing, and I just thought it was a bug, but I
didn't even realize that it potentially could be something. I mean, I've I've
sort of looked it up a bit, and a lot of people are just
saying that, you know that it is bugs, But some people have the
theory that is because it's being caught on a on a frame top of thing
or on the camera, that it is actually just a bug and being caught
within a what it's doing is flowing sort of thing. It's got flying across
the screen and you're just actually different bits. I don't know. I mean,
I've seen some photographs of rod, so they do look pretty convincing.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sort of on the fence with that. Maybe
there's a there's a double maybe they're ask them things where you can get a
it's on the camera, and maybe there are the real things, And I
really don't know convincing ones too. So yeah, no, I was just
horrified that this thing was like right near my face. Yeah, I mean
I need more, to be honest, to make a decision on that.
I'll need more evidence on those for self. But like you're saying, they
are fascinating, they are interesting. It's a bit o big Foot, isn't
it. We all hear the Bigfoot stories, but actually seeing that, you
know, getting the evidence for a real one is one of those things that
evades us. It is, it is. But some of the as I
said, he's set up a load of trail cames and he's sort of done
them in this sort of grid, so he's got from all different angles.
And when when he first started talking about bigfoot, I was thinking, oh,
yeah, like a big hairy man and he's like, no, they're
not, They're not like that. I was like, well, what do
you mean and he said, well, they can actually sort of appear like
their their see through mm hmm. I know, and I'm like, well,
what do you mean, So he sent He's sent us some like some
footage of things that he's caught, and yeah, it is weird. It
is weird to me. That sounds a lot an interdimensional creature. Yeah,
you know, something that can float in and out of different dimensions. There's
people out there that apparently feed them and talk to them. And I don't
know, I don't know. As I said, it's not something that I've
come across here, although you know, there are people that say that they've
seen them, but yeah, no, I think for me, I think
it is sort of more interdimensional. Yeah, well, I mean to me,
that makes sense. I mean that's why this show is called Paranormal Dimensions
because of the dimensional aspects of it. I think a lot a lot of
things are linked dimensionally, and I'm including a lot of things like UFOs aliens.
Not that I don't believe this life in us on other planets as well,
but I think a lot of it is also in a dimensional as well.
So yeah, oh, absolutely absolutely. And will we ever? Will
we ever find the truth? Well, I don't know. I think we're
creeping close to closer to it as we go along. I mean, I
don't think there are any experts in any of the fields. I know we
call people experts, but and there's also people that know a lot more about
it than others, but I don't think any of them are experts. You
know. Otherwise, an expert knows all the answers, but nobody knows all
the answers. No, No, that's one of the things that you know
that we always say that there are no experts in this field. It's a
very clever people who could write some fantastic books from fantastic series, but a
lot of that theory has got to be based on evidence, you know,
totally become an expert. Yes, that's that's my opinion, you know.
Yeah, no, it's mine too. I share that opinion whenever you hear
of someone being called an expert on the television or whatever, always saying,
no, nobody's an expert the other ways as I do this show, because
I'm constantly learning myself about different things, you know, learning from different people,
And yeah, anyway, that's that's that's what's what's your opinion? Have
you seen the UFOs at all? And I don't think so, but I
would love to. I really would I do believe. I do believe that.
You know, I've got nothing that I can base this on, but
I believe that you know that they they walk among us. Yeah, yeah,
I would agree with that. I think the thing is, I'm going
to say this, it might be controversial, but people can believe in a
religion there's got no evidence at all to do with it. But and then
they'll put they'll poo poo do with life on other planets. Now, to
me, that's kind of kind of crazy because there's really more evidence for life
and other planets than there is for any particular religion. I'm not going to
say any region. But you know what I'm saying, don't you. It's
because definitely, definitely you know that there's no I'm not I'm not sort of
having to go to that's religious out there at all, but you know,
by any means. But it's just the fact that I do hear of people
saying, oh, there's no such thing as life on other planets, but
they'll believe in God for instance. You know, it's and he's starting to
think, well, how can you believe in that but not believe in something
that's physical and it's and and there's absolutely no doubt it's out there. Really.
I mean, we can't be the only ones, can we? Surely
not? Surely not. Yeah, And as you were saying, you know,
take for instance God, you know, And it's, for want of
a better sort of word, it's a story, isn't it. The Bible,
it's written down, it's scriptures, isn't it. It's written by meant
by human beings as well. Nobody has ever seen him or some people say
they they have, but do they, Yes, some people say they think
God will sing Christs or whatever. What's he looked like? Well, if
you go but if you go by the stories, he's he's got long blonde
here, long blonde beard and everything. Big man in the sky. Now,
I'm not having to go to anyone who got his beliefs. But the
comparisons, that's all those sort of But I mean I saw, I mean
you you might not notice what I saw a UFO back in nineteen sixty I
think it was sixty six or six, so I think it was sixty seven.
But it was a big orange object going across the night sky actually,
and it was pul it was pulsating. But this orange it wasn't like a
bright orange light. It was like different shades of orange all blending together,
you know, like lava. It was like that was that kind of light.
You know, it was quite amazing, completely silent. Yes, about
one o'clock in the morning. Was that in this country as in this country
in Essexure where I live. So yeah, I was coming back from a
girlfriend sort of the hours of the morning, and they was going across the
light square. You didn't lose any time or anything like that. No,
funny enough, it was around about that time I was actually starting to get
interested in UFOs and things as well. You know, that's kind of the
strange thing about it. I mean, I've also told this story a few
time. I'm sorry if I listened to this. I'm sorry if you've heard
it before. When I was a kid sitting on my steps, I was
born in London. You see what you might not be able to tell.
But I was born in London. I didn't leave London. So I was
about sixteen. I was sitting on my steps in the early evening. I
was looking up at the stars for as it disappearing sort of thing, and
I was watching a star moving and stopping and moving and stopping. Now,
I'm talking about in the late fifties here. There wasn't things like satellites and
things up there. So at the time, when I was a kid,
I just thought, oh, it's a star moving and stopping, you know.
But it was when I got into my mid teens I thought, well,
a minute, what was that I was watching back then? Watching this
star moving and stopping and moving and stopping. Stars don't do that, So
that may have been my first UFO I saw, you know, back then.
Now, I would love, love, love to see a UFO.
I'm always looking, yeah. I mean the thing is, I think you
could actually you usually see them by accident or when you're not expecting it.
More and more when you're these people go on these UFO watches and things,
and I think you're more likely to see it just by chance. Yeah,
you know, and then you've got to work out and make sure you're not
seeing an aeroplane or something up there. Yeah, this is it. But
oh no, I would love to I would love to see a full on,
a full on UFO. I think everyone would. You're still young,
you're still got time. Well, I spend a lot of time in the
dark, So what about have you got any feelings about elemental beings, you
know, things like theories and stuff like that. Yes, I believe in
them. I don't want people to think that I'm nuts, but no,
no, no, I'm asking that for a reason because I'm on the same
way of their pursue. Here, if you'd have asked me like a year
or so ago about theories, I think, oh, yeah, okay,
they're just fairy stories. But I've actually spoken to somebody who is very convincing
telling me about theories and goblins and things like that, and you know they're
not also the everything like hearing like walk Disney stories. No, no,
and see, see this is a thing I believe. I believe in sort
of like fairies, sprites, things like that. And you know, very
often if I'm walking in like an awarded area, I often feel like they
are around. I'm going to sound like I'm completely nuts, aren't they obviously?
No, No, no, believe me, people listening in to the
show. We're all nuts anyway, So I don't worry about it. Yeah,
I do. I do believe that they are around. Oh there's honestly,
I'm going sound nuts, and sometimes I do. I talk to them,
so yeah, that that was why that was my long pause. It's
like, yeah, got long palls. Yeah, yes, do I actually
reveal that. Yeah, I do believe in phairies, and yeah sometimes I
do talk to them. I feel like they're watching. Yeah, I mean
again, I mean again, I believe that these are interdimensional beings that can
floating out of different dimensions. Some people have got that power. Yeah,
and I think that's what fairies and goblings and all that sort of thing.
Oh, I really do. Yeah. It's kind of come from somewhere,
hasn't it. You know, Well, there's so many old legends and things
from go back hundreds of years. Isn't there where people have seen these things
and had experiences with them so exactly, So those stories have got to come
from somewhere. Yeah, it's like the old giants stories. I mean,
I believe that there were once giants on the earth, as some of the
old legends go. I believe that too. What about dragons, Yeah,
well quite quite possibly. We hear about the reptilianadiens, don't we we do.
Yeah. Oh you've got that linkage there. And when you see so
many buildings that are around the around the all around the globe, actually,
you've got some dragons and gargoyles outside the Where did all that come from?
Exactly? Even on our flags and things, you got to dragons and stuff,
So it must have come from somewhere. It's definitely definitely come from somewhere.
So yeah, I believe. I believe. So that fascinates me.
The vampire legends, Yeah, whether they actually existed or not or could that
be another it's a dimensional being of some sort, it could be. I
mean, I've I've always sort of I've always been fascinated by the sort of
vampires and wear wolves and things like that. But I would say ID probably
more frightened about that side of things than I am the sort of like spirits
and ghosts. They are more like the demonic entities, aren't they. If
they if they exist or if they existed, they are more demonic, And
I guess you must have some sort of ideas and believes in that too.
But you know, if you're interested in the paranormal and ghost something, what
about the diaminic the demonic side of it? Demonic side, Yeah, I
do believe in in the in the darker side. I don't think, you
know, I think there's you've got some of the companies that are around that
you know, everything is a demon, you know, and it's you know,
it's not like that, but we have had that there has there is
one location that we have now vowed that we will never go back. Yeah.
We've been there about twelve times in total. Yeah. Not good where
it is though, are you I can say? I can say do you
want me to say? Okay? It's a location in Staffordshire called Bishton Hall.
Yeah. So it's it's a very old property obviously, and we've had
to all of us have experienced some kind of attachment from there. Yeah,
where it's sort of affected live so much so that we've had to you know,
sort of like do a lot of cleansing and you know, sort of
protection spouse all those sorts of things because there is something there that is not
very nice. I believe that I've seen it and it didn't look nice,
you know, like on like some of the heavy metal sort of like bands,
you sort of their sort of album covers can sort of have like their
look sort of like demons, you know, like with the sort of heads
and the horns. It had sort of a face like that, but it
was kind of snake like part of it was, but then the bottom half
was more like more like a horse, you know, more like devil type
looking. So yeah, I saw it, and Nicola got scratched by it.
Yeah, and Nicola and Michael also heard it because it had hoofs.
So that's a story that they can tell you all about. But as I
said, we'll be getting those on the show as well in a few weeks
as well, at least we were in a couple of months anyway. Yeah.
So yeah, and it's it's sort of like I think it's sort of
affected our health, you know. Yeah, well, I think the interesting
thing with that is, I mean, anyone listening, if you've been to
Bishton Hall, maybe you've had had some experiences about that as well, and
maybe a lot, So let me know about it and I can mention it.
Yeah. Yeah, honestly, we we nicknamed him the goat man.
He obviously we don't. I wanted his name, but he wouldn't ever give
his name. But he liked it if you were if there was just sort
of two of you, so this is down in the cellars of this place.
He liked it if there was just two of you. He would always
pick on the weakest one. I've seen him knock women to their feet honestly,
sorry, off their feet. He's he's a nasty, nasty little man.
That sounds. Yeah. And so when we were sort of talking on
some of our podcasts we've had some mediums on and when we've sort of shown
them sort of pictures of the location, they've picked up on this on this
sort of entity and sort of sort of saying that basically, you know,
we really need to sort of keep away from that. Wow, yes,
sort of. I mean some of the things saying, now you know,
he's invested in us, and you know he's not going to stop, and
he gets what he wants and everybody he's not having us. So do they
do they do ghost downs there as well as the other teams and things,
do you yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's available to hire for
you know, for events companies or private hire. So have you spoken so
you are from other teams? Have they the experiences like that as well?
No, they've had a few. I mean the very first time we went
there, we failed. We wouldn't go again because it was so quiet and
we were like, oh god, you know I'm not when you know this
isn't one that we will revisit. I ended up going there again when I
was working for Most Taunted Experience, and the activity was just off the wall,
and I was like, guys, guys, we've got to go back.
And so we kept going back and back and back and back, and
things were just sort of like things were being thrown. So whatever's there is
there's poltergeist activity, So marbles thrown golf balls. Honestly, it's one of
those places that it's sort of very sort of all or nothing. So with
that Most Haunted Experience and everything kicking or you say that a lot of things
happened on that experience, yes, yes, So then did you not think
that because nothing happened on the first visit, that maybe someone was playing games
and making things happen. No, No, because it was the second So
nothing happened on the first visit, and that was with the Most Haunted Experience,
and then with them again, I was with Most Haunted Experience, and
that's when things were sort of like started to happen. And then that all
the other times that we've been back, it's just been as FDL and that's
when we've had marbles thrown we've had, you know, the golf balls move.
I mean, as I said, I'm not a fan of wigi boards,
but we just having a wigi board in the location with him, you
would hear his footsteps as plain as day, would come right up close to
you. Well, and this this is with us, so that this is
like with FDL to hear one him walked down the corridor and be right in
front of you. And it's honestly, it just it makes it the sort
of feelings that you get in there, it's it's very very oppressive, it's
very dark. Do you feel back Do you feel that it's just one in
one sort of main entity there or the more than one. No, I
believe that. I believe there's him, and I believe he's got like a
like a little minion as well, because we've we've seen sort of something big
and then something smaller sort of next to him. So well, yeahs in
the hall everyone, Yeah, that that is one that we we've said,
that's it, we're done, when we're not going to be going about That
makes you want to go, Yeah, definitely, I would recommend it to
anybody. Absolutely. Yeah, it really does make me want to go anyway,
so we sort of went full circle here back to the most again,
didn't we we did. I thank you so much for coming on the show.
If we'll have to word it up there, but it's been brilliant talking
to you. I'm looking forward to Do you go into the festival for the
unexplained to give this shop? Absolutely? Yes, we most definitely are good.
Are you there for the whole weekend this time? I don't think we'll
be able to make the whole weekend because of like family commitments and things.
I don't think my husband would forgive me. It's like that, is it?
Okay? Yeah, yeah, no, he's good enough to let me
go out and GHO stunting as much as what he does. Well, we'll
run into you there then, hopefully don't forget so. Yeah, obviously I'll
have Mike and Nick on the show before that, Michael, they'll be on
the show before that as well, anyway, so brilliant. And I'll get
to tell some stories about you as well. Yeah, sure they will anyway.
As you I'll let you go. Thank you very much for coming on.
It's been brilliant talking to you, and thank you. I look forward
to seeing you again. Thank you well take care of yourself. Thank you,
good bye, bye, bye bye, there we are. That was
Angie Shelley. Thank you. Angie and your other two team members will be
on in a not too distant future, hopefully well. Our next show is
with a gentleman named Mark Manley. He has his own podcast show too,
It is called Dork Mirror. Mark is interested in all types of paranormal investigations
and events, so shall We're looking forward to a long chat with Mark will
no doubt dive in and out of all sorts of subjects. So that's Mark
Manley on March the eighteenth Monday. But as always between now and then,
if you'd like to get in touch with me, my email address is David
Young Too, q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. That's David Young
too, q N at yahoo dot co dot uk. So until the next
time, that's March the eighteenth Monday. Of course, as always with Mark
Manly, we're always speak to you again and I hope you'll join me,
So take care of you one. Thank you for joining me this time.
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