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Big Food and be on with Cliff
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now your hosts, Cliff Barrickman and James

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Bobo Fay Bobo. How you doing
man? How's it going, Cliff?

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I'm doing good. I'm going all
right too, man. I'm just kind

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of muddling through work and stuff and
leave town this coming weekend for a week

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for my first non Bigfoot related vacation
and I don't know a year and a

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half, two years, maybe more, long long time. So looking forward

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to that. Going to go catch
some fish, hopefully in Mexico. There's

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a good bite down there, isn't
there. Yeah, hurricane kind of mess

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things up our little I mean just
for a couple of days, and then

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it's funny. I'm going to look
pause in that general area. And the

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hurricane didn't do as much as the
rain that came a week later did.

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Apparently there's flooding and all sorts of
stuff, but it should be all cleared

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up by the time I get there. I guess the dorado bites off the

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hook. They're starting to catch some
other species as well that they've been seeing,

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marlin and salefish. So we'll see, we'll see what happens. I

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mean, of course, by the
time this gets published, I will have

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already come back, So maybe I'll
have a couple of fish pictures to put

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on the Patreon for people to enjoy. If we're gonna cooler, absolutely bring

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a cooler down and it's going to
go go go pongo fishing practice in my

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Spanish and doing all that sort of
stuff. I'm looking forward to it.

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It's been too long. Are fine. Oh they're a lot of fun.

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They're a lot of fun. I'm
really looking forward to it. Yeah,

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Dorado's if people don't know. On
the East Coast, they're called dolphinfish,

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and in Hawaii they're called mahi mine, all the same species. So yeah,

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so big news this week, Bobs. I'm sure you picked it up.

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I found out about it the day
before it was announced. I was

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pretty stoked about it. The vander
White mine, the Ape Canyon mine has

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been discovered. Dude. I was
like, I was like, I was

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like, wait, what like because
he sent me some pictures that the guys

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sent him, and I was just
like no, because you always heard like

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it was it was gated and dynamited
and it was closed up for good,

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like you can't find it. And
then to see the actual hole, I

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was just like, God, I
want to get up there so bad.

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Oh yeah, you know, I'm
actually even though I failed to go there

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this past July, I got,
you know, I got about two thirds

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of the way down to the Cabins
site and I said, man, this

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is too sketchy for an old man. I've been there. I'd been there

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in twenty fourteen, I think the
year was had been down to the actual

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Cabins site. I touched the actual
foundation beams with my hands. I dug

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up, dug up, and a
whole different side, you know, just

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with my hands, you know,
Like it was just a couple inches under

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the surface. So three of the
foundation beams had been discovered when I was

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there. I guess say they looked
around and cabins getting eaten up by everything.

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Right now it's back under it's a
few inches of soil, so it's

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either protected hidden again depending on your
perspective. But yeah, when we were

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there, we were just doing the
best. Back in twenty fourteen, we're

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trying to figure out where the mine
entrance might be in Mark man, I'll

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tell you, Mark marcell Is is
a gnarly He's a guy who doesn't belong

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to this century. He's he's he's
hardy pioneer folk. He just tied himself

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to a tree and dangled his butt
off the edge. Then like overhang overhang

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overhanging this small chasm right underneath the
cabin site. Because the best information we

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had was that that's where the mine
entrance was. But apparently not, apparently

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not. Mark said that he was
within seventy five feet of the mine entrance

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if we would have gone down to
the left. And again I don't I

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saw the pictures that Mark published and
he said to me those same pictures and

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maybe four. I don't know the
context. I've been to the site.

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I know how gnarly it is.
It is off the hook, dangerous,

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scary, you know, just just
precarious the whole area. So when I

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saw that mine interests they go,
oh my gosh, how would you get

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down to that? And the second
pic sure, where the dude is standing

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at the entrance of the mine,
you can see ropes. The first picture

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you couldn't see ropes. But the
second picture I saw ropes and it's like,

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man, that would be a gnarly
climb, especially knowing what's probably right

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below it, you know, one
hundred foot drop to the bottom of certain

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death essentially, But then again,
I don't know the context. Maybe it's

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easier to get down to than I'm
imagining, but having been there, I

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can't imagine it being easy at all, just at all. And how cool

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is it that the great grandsons of
the youngest miner who was at the incident

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in nineteen twenty four are the people
who rediscovered the mine. That's that's incredible.

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That's that is that's amazing. Yeah, that is just fantastic. That

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is so so cool and just almost
serendipitous in a way. But just just

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how how cool is that those guys
must just be on the moon over the

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moon, you know, Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's a that's

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an accomplishment they got. They're carrying
on the family legacy, you know,

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like it's they're they're stoked. Yeah, And of course I asked, Mark,

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can you get in there? And
from what I hear and the picture

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kind of verified this too. Is
at the small rocks in the area,

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of kind of filled it in for
a large to a large degree. So

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I don't know. I don't know
if one can how far one can get

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in there. I do know that
somebody, one of the relatives, I

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think it was Beck's grandkid, what
is his name, Rod, I think

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his name is. He was at
the mine site, he said, in

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the nineteen seventies, so before the
eruption. The eruption happened on May eighteenth,

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nineteen eighty, so he was there
to say, maybe three or four

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years or five years before the eruption, and he went into the mine and

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supposedly the mining equipment was still in
there. The guys just bailed and left

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all their mining gear there, yeah, with the reporter, and they went

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at the reporter and the cops.
Yeah, and that's it. And apparently

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they just left all their stuff in
there, which could have been a small

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loss monetarily speaking for them, which
kind of I think kind of lends a

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lot of credence to their claim.
Oh yeah, because they were poor.

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Yeah. So anyway, Yeah,
that's I think that's the big news of

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the of the week, if not
month, if not year. I think

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that's just fantastic. I'm considering if
Mark goes up there again, I'll even

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consider I'll maybe I'll give it a
second shot, you know, But we'll

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see, we'll see what will happen. Because we're running out of time here

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because winter is it will be upon
us shortly, because it's an early fall

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here in the Pacific Northwest. Last
year this time it was like ninety five

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degrees and today we'll be lucky to
hit sixty. This pretty exciting stuff,

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man, this Ape Canyon deal.
But I don't know if I'm fired up

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about the Ape Canyon thing or it's
that stuff man, that stuff that that

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that were sent the Magic Mind.
Have you tried that yet, Bobbo Magic

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minds? Yeah, I've been taken
it for a couple of weeks now.

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Man, I'm I'm energized. Like
this is you know, it's not it's

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not like drinking a much of espresso. It's more mellow. But yeah,

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I've noticed a difference, more focused. You don't even drink coffee, do

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you? No? No, I
don't. Yeah, I think I've seen

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I mean I spent a lot of
years with you, man, I think

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I've only seen you drink coffee two
or three times or something. And those

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and that was a panic sort of
situation where this was twenty two twenty three

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hour days that we had to work. Sometimes I'm finding bigfoot. But see,

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because coffee coffee, you eventually crash
on it, you know, but

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the magic mind kind of a smooth
landing, if you want to call it

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that. It's not a crash at
all. It just kind of keeps going

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throughout the day. Well, you
know me, dude, Like people say,

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like I get di jitters or shaky
when I get you know, when

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I have coffee, it's like I
get beyond that, Like it hits me

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so hard. This is not like
that. It's it's a lot more smooth,

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mellow, and I don't feel like
I don't feel like I'm at like

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popping under my skin. I'm just
like I'm more focused and it just it's

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a good clean energy but like booster. Yeah, and apparently it's all natural

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ingredients. I was reading some of
the stuff about this thing, you know,

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all natural agrees, a lot of
stuff I don't even know how I've

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pronounced. It's all Latin stuff like
that. The stuff I did recognize,

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its like lions, main mushrooms.
You've heard like about that stuff. Yeah,

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yeah, it's fantastic for your brain, supposedly. I mean, that's

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what the studies are showing at this
point. And you know, when I

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read this, there's this one ingredient
in it, the Court of Steps mushrooms.

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I thought, wait, that's the
one that kills those ants, right,

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it grows out of the ant's brain
and stuff. But it's not that

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one. It's not the mushroom from
Last of Us or anything. But it

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those are in your mitochondria. I guess

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we're all thinking about our mitochondria nowadays. We're very mitochondria focused society, I

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think nowadays, right, Bob's Yeah. I first sort of about from Kelo

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phenomenal world class athletic shape. I
mean, they're topnots. I was like,

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well, if it's working for those
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He got first to Cliff. Yeah, so I've been doing a lot of

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jobs lately, and I've been seeing
this guy around a bit and hearing his

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name and that sort of thing.
But I didn't know didn't know him,

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and wasn't trying to meet anybody because
it's my life's two full of people already

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some days. So but then we
had we had our paths cross, shall

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we say. At the last job
I did out in Idaho, Idaho SQUATCHCN,

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which turn out to be a pretty
great gig, thirty one hundred people

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came. According to the organizers.
A lot of good people. Doctor Meldrum

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was on the job, and then
Michael Freem is on the job. And

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this gentleman who is our guest today, Brian king Sharp is his name.

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He does another pot In fact,
apparently he does a lot of different podcasts,

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and I'd say, well, you
know what, that would be kind

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of interesting, take kind of a
meta podcast on our part if we had

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another podcast on and we can just
talk about the business of podcasting. But

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also more than that, because Brian
showing me some some really good photographs of

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footprints he's been finding on and near
his property. Now, I don't know.

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I mean, Brian and I went
out a couple of times and had

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a couple of beers hung out at
the events, and generally it turns out

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I really like him. Brian's a
rad guy. I consider him a friend

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now, and so I thought,
hey, this is a great opportunity to

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have him on the podcast. So
Brian my new friend. Welcome to Bigfoot

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and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Thanks guys, I really appreciate you having

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me on the show. Man,
I really appreciate it. Hey Broun,

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Hey you got a pretty distinctive voice. Hey, Bob what's up man?

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Yeah, what's your podcast? To
Dame of yours? It is Sasquatch Odyssey.

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How long have you been doing it? I started the first episode of

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Sasquatch Odyssey back in February of two
and twenty one, so a little over

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a couple of years. I've been
doing it as a full time gig since

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last March. But that's not the
only podcast you do. Is that you

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have a handful of these things that
you do in various topics that are of

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interest to you. I do the
Sasquatch Odyssey was the first show. It

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was the main interest in Sasquatch.
Obviously, some of the experiences I had

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as a kid sort of led me
down that path. But it sort of

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ballooned into this studio really with several
podcasts. And one of the things that

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happened was kind of like, you
guys, you do a Bigfoot and beyond

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because sometimes people have those stories that
are beyond the Bigfoot thing, right,

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So that was kind of happening to
me as I was interviewing folks, and

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I created an entirely new podcast called
Paranormal Odyssey to talk about the dog man

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stuff, the UFO stuff, the
weird, you know, high strangeness,

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things that people were talking about because
Bigfoot podcast consumers can be a little bit

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of a purist and some people don't
want to hear about UFOs and other things.

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They just wanted to stick to Sasquatch. So I sort of created that

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show. I've since passed that on
to another podcaster who works in our network

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and he hosts that show for me. But I was also a police officer

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for sixteen years and I was really
into true crime stuff, so I went

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on and started a true crime podcast. So those were the first three full

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time podcast and then Doug Hichek reached
out to me when he started his Untold

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Radio network and wanted me to do
a show over there, so I do

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a Weird Encounters show over there.
So for full time podcasts, three of

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which that I host currently, and
it's definitely there's never a dull moment for

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sure. So what would be the
differentiators between the Paranormal Odyssey podcasts and the

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Weird Encounters podcast. The Weird Encounters
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The Paranormal Odyssey is based on real
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show. The Weird encounter show that
Doug and Ice brainstorm together was more about

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me sharing stories, just reading the
stories for people who enjoy that kind of

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thing. So it's a way less
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just doing narration. So now where
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by people who experienced them. Actually
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who has a huge repository of some
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years, and she sort of put
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on the show a couple of years
ago and she had had an encounter with

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what she believes to be a sasquatch
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and she just allowed me sort of
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them on the show. And then
of course we get others that are submitted

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by via email from people that experienced
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bit going out of your mind with
being busy, because I know one podcast

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is kind of a lot on my
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a bit. I guess. Yeah, I was working fifty hours a week

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as a retail manager, managing fifty
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The first podcast, which was Sasquatch
Odyssey in the beginning, and it was

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too tough. Man. I just
I enjoyed the podcast so much. It

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was my favorite thing that I'd ever
done. I'd always been sort of a

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performer. I sang when I was
a kid, you know, I was

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always in a band, and I
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and like to have some sort of
creative outlet. And I started the show

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just because I wanted to talk about
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I think Matt's from Northeast Georgia,
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and I grew up with stories of
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the mountain by a wooly men and
wild men and Harryman. So I was

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always very interested in that stuff.
And you know, I was in law

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enforcement for sixteen years, like I
said, and you don't talk about bigfoot

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at work, at least I didn't
as a cop, right, People kind

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of already look at you like you
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and I certainly didn't go to work
and talk about Bigfoot and UFOs and

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some of the things I've experienced in
my life. But after I left that

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in twenty sixteen, I was able
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and we bought forty acres of property
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there may be something going on here. I wanted some rural property that I

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could get out into the woods and
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was born out of just wanting to
talk to people, and that's what I

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did, you know. I just
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first couple of people on from North
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just sort of snowballed into I've talked
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other parts of the UK that have
claimed to have experiences with something they can't

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explain. So but yeah, it's
a full time job and it definitely keeps

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me busy. You mentioned that all
these podcasts, the seat of it was

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some sort of a experience you had
when you were young. What was that?

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when I was a kid, we

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lived in what I believed to be
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was sort of the beyond thing,
right. There was a couple of guys

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that had lived there before us that
were into some sort of Satanic rituals and

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things like that. So we had
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house. But when I was twelve, I was always out in the woods.

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We were really poor. We had
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a television, and we did have
the old antenna, you know, on

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that you had to go outside in
the rain and turn the huge antenna,

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you know, to get the three
channels that you could get. But I

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spent most of my time out in
the woods. That was sort of my

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rest but from all the things that
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time, and I would always go
out. I fancied myself a little bit

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of a hunter, so I would
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bird hunt whatever. And at twelve, I went out in the woods one

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day during the summer. I think
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My birthdays in December, so I
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went out into the woods that I'd
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we rented this small little house from
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nothing but just pine, thickets and
woods. Every I loved it. I

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was in heaven and I was out
in these woods one day, and I've

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been out there tons of times.
I wasn't afraid of anything as a kid,

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and I was out doing my thing
in the middle of the day,

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and I just got that feeling.
You know, you've talked to enough people

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that shared their big foot encounters,
and some of them mentioned that feeling,

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you know, the hair on the
back of your neck stands up, the

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hair on your arms stands up.
That's exactly what happened to me. And

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the first thing I remember thinking is
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got to get out of here.
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heard grub some growls, I heard
some huffs, and something very large was

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moving just out of my vision,
maybe ten to fifteen feet away in the

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woodline, and I just froze and
it got louder. It sounded like it

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was getting pissed off, and what
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and stopped maybe ten feet away,
just on the other side of the thicket,

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so I couldn't see in to see
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gone. I was out, you
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It was no longer time to stand
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felt like it at the time it
was going on. I felt like my

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legs were just sort of sunk into
the ground and I couldn't move. And

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once that thing got close enough and
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just turned tail and I ran probably
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house, jumped over the fence and
landed in my yard, and I was

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like, Okay, I'm safe,
right, But I didn't go to I

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didn't go back in the woods for
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I still, even when I'm thinking
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that feeling, you know, of
being back there. But whatever it was

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terrified me, and I still don't
know what it was. I didn't see

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it, you know. I've always
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encounter because of what I've heard from
so many people I've interviewed on the show

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over the last couple of years.
But again, I can't say you know.

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I've had people, you know,
I even had one guy that had

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me as a guest on the show
saying, maybe maybe it was something demonic

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that was happening in your house that
followed you into the woods. Okay,

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could be, I don't know.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with

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Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right
back after these messages. That experience really

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lit the fire that was already there. I was already interested in cryptids.

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I was interested in the Lockness Monster. I sort of that was my escape

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into, you know, out of
the reality of being a poor kid that

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was having, you know, parental
issues and divorce in the house and all

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kinds of things that was going on
in my life at that time. Plus

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I was twelve years old, you
know. So I don't know what it

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is. I still don't to this
day. I can't say definitively what it

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was. But now, knowing the
things that I know and the research that

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I've done, I think it might
have been an encounter with a sasquatch.

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It's funny how people how your whatever
background you come from, like totally it

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gives you filters for how you view
things, Like like, uh, someone

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from like Montown. I think,
oh, it's a grizzly bearer. You

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know that someone from Georgia would be
like, you know, in a religious

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house. It was like, it's
demonic. You know, it's close your

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perception of things quite a bit,
how you interpret things out there. That's

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a very good point. I just
interviewed a lady Bobo that I had on

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the show last year. I actually
met her at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference

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year before last, and she was
having issues with sasquatch on her property to

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the point where her and her husband
moved to last year and she just reached

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out to me again and they moved
into another state and she claims to be

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having these issues again. And what
she was describing to me sounded more like

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she may be living in a haunted
house versus having sasquatch activity. So again,

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I'm not a demonologist. I don't
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that was sort of the thing that
you know, through that lens I was

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telling her during the interview, it
sounds like you may be experiencing something outside

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of Bigfoot. But you're right that
in sort of you know, I grew

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up in the church and that was
anytime that anything like that happened to people

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in and around that area, because
I would hear stories. My great grandmother

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and my great grandfather was telling me
stories about these gen sing hunters that were

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being ran off the mountain and sometimes
they called them devils or mountain devils or

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whatever. So it was this that
sort of lens that in the southern Baptist

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area that I lived in is how
people saw that. But you know,

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in retrospect, knowing what I know
now, I believe it was possibly a

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big foot. I don't know,
Yeah, I mean this has been thought

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for a long time that you know, settlers and whatnot running across sasquatches or

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whether they saw them or not,
they would be very frightened at whatever it

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is, just like you were as
young as young boy there and of course

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they'd come back and say this thing
I saw this saying red eyes or yelled

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at me or I felt crazy,
it felt weird, and you know,

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or it was an eight foot hairy
thing. The local folks, you know,

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would say, oh, that's that's
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and the automatically go to the superstition, the superstitious explanations, rather than some

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sort of animal, which which these
things are anyway, So that doesn't surprise

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me at all that it's kind of
like what you were saying. It was

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like, well, that lady may
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on. It goes the other way
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That's what made me think of that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree.

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So you mentioned that your house was
haunted. This is Bigfoot and beyond,

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and despite what people think of me, I am interested in ghost stories.

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I don't don't I'm not going to
research that stuff, and my life

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is full of Bigfoot. But what
was going on in your house at the

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time, Well, it was really
strange things. I've talked about this on

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the other shows before, and I'm
almost leary to say it, but I

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was hearing voices in the house.
That's kind of how it started, the

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same voices. Could you recognize him? No, it was very I don't

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know how to describe it other than
demonic sounding. You know. It was

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like that whisper. You know,
you can hear the whisper, but you

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can't ever make out what it's saying
to you. And I was hearing scratching

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on the walls and banging inside the
walls, and we had very thin walls.

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Like where my bedroom was, the
back window faced out to the woods,

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and there was nothing out there on
the other side. There wasn't,

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you know, like another room that
this could be happening in, right,

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But I was starting to hear those
things, and a couple of times I

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woke up to a dark figure standing
over my bed. And I've done a

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lot of research on this. You
know, I'm one of those Okham's razor

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kind of guys. I'm no nonsense, it's show me the evidence kind of

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you know. My cop brain kicks
in and I say, could it have

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been night terrors? Sure, it
certainly could have been in retrospect, but

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it didn't feel like it. And
I still have this moment where I'm pretty

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sure that what I was seeing was
real because I was awake. Like I

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would wake up see this thing,
it would move off, and then I

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would end up grabbing some covers and
going into my parents' bedroom and sleeping on

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their floor. I mean this went
on for months. They would wake up

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and find me at the foot of
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I wouldn't sleep in my room.
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a lot of things going on that
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of thing and you do any cursory
research, you know, they say,

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you know, pre pubescent boys,
which I was twelve thirteen. There was,

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you know, a lot of turmoil
going on in the house. My

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parents were going through issues. My
dad was dealing with drugs and alcohol abuse,

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and there was just this whole,
like just tumultuous thing going on.

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may thrive on that stuff. I
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figured out later. Again, now
keep in mind, this guy liked alcohol

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and he was on downers most of
the time, so I take this with

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a grain of salt. But he
was also he confided in my mom later

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on that he would be there sometimes
by himself when she would be gone,

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I'd be at school, whatever,
and he was having interactions with something where

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he would hear voices and things like
that. So I wasn't the only one

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that was experiencing this kind of stuff. And we had the history of the

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people that lived in the house that
was kind of well known. In a

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very small town like our town was
like this literally a caution light. That

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was it. Caution light in a
couple of stops signs, and that was

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it. So everybody knew everybody's business. And these guys were pretty well known

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as as far as dabbling in that
kind of stuff. And they lived in

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the house for a couple of years
before we got there, So I don't

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know, but that was, you
know, this weird, weird stuff going

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on. And then you know,
once we moved out of the house after

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a couple of years, it stopped. It didn't follow me. So I

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don't know. Wold. Well,
I guess we can all be thankful that

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most of us can be thankful that's
not happening to us. Yeah, it's

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00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.880
not a good thing, that's for
sure. Boy, I gotta ask you

407
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:30.920
said you were having bands and stuff
like that. What kind of music do

408
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.079
you like? I know it's a
side thing, but I gotta know,

409
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.680
I love all kinds of music,
but I love country music. I was

410
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.240
born and raised on country music.
I sang country music. Still do like

411
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.200
the classic like the good stuff,
the classic stuff or the new stuff.

412
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.039
I just made a bunch of enemies
by the way out there, but I

413
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:48.720
did it on purpose. So well, I'm probably going to join you in

414
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.440
that because I don't get into a
lot of the new country stuff. It's

415
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:57.039
horrible. Yeah, I'm definitely like
Johnny Cash old school. You know.

416
00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.960
I did listen to Garth Brooks,
you know, at Garth Brooks. I

417
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.640
was a huge fan of Garth when
he came out. But you know,

418
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.319
Alan Jackson, just the old school
country is. Charlie Daniel's band was some

419
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.319
of my favorite stuff growing up.
Hank Williams Junior, Hank Williams Senior.

420
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.400
But music, you know things,
I was doing that at sixteen, and

421
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.319
you know, I almost signed a
record deal when I was sixteen. But

422
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:21.400
you know, life happens. Like
I said, we were poor, so

423
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.000
I had to go to work.
It's always about work and helping my mom.

424
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.000
What's my dad and my mom divorced. I was at work most of

425
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:30.240
the time. So music sort of
fell by the wayside, and I've only

426
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.079
gotten back into it, you know, in my adult life. I got

427
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.400
to go to Tennessee about six or
eight years ago, and I did a

428
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:41.039
small album, like a little EP
album, and had had some really good

429
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.920
times up there. But I don't
get to do music as much as I

430
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.160
would love to because I'm constantly podcasting
at this point. There we were on

431
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.519
the air, and when we were
on that radio and Nashville, when we

432
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.119
were doing that talking to witnesses on
the nash and I was talking tons of

433
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.440
smack about new country, how lam
it was, and I said, like,

434
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:03.519
I think, like George, what
was that Georgia state line or Florida

435
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.680
state line or whatever. Georgia said
those guys and like lady Anna Bella,

436
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.400
and I'm like, I can't stand
that stuff. And yeah, they said

437
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.680
they got a couple of calls on
like screw that guy. I remember the

438
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.799
operators, they got some calls like
that. I remember one of your first

439
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.680
comments about you meeting Derek Randalls,
like I don't know about this guy with

440
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.200
the big truck listening to modern country, but it turns out he's Okay,

441
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.799
of course you drive a big truck. Anyway, Let's get back to the

442
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.359
big foot things. So you bought
this property with forty acres of property and

443
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.720
hopes that sasquatches maybe around there,
and it turns out they are. You

444
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:42.480
showed me some very impressive sasquatch footprints. As far as I can tell tell

445
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:47.680
us about the activity that's been on
or near your property that you're aware of.

446
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.160
Yeah, the weirdest thing is when
we came up here for we came

447
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:55.920
up from a from Georgia for a
one day land sale and we weren't even

448
00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:00.079
expecting to buy anything. We've just
seen the property online and had some you

449
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.720
know, they did some drone shots
that made it look all pretty and great

450
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.079
and fabulous, and we came up
and we fell in love with the property

451
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.839
that we initially bought that day.
We bought the first twenty acres on the

452
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:15.400
first day, and we didn't get
up here for a couple of years.

453
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.799
After that. We'd make trips back
and forth, and we had an old

454
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.960
Volkswagen van Volkswagen bus sorry Volkswagen bus
that we would camp in and just enjoy

455
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.480
the property. And then the property
next to us came open and we bought

456
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.200
another twenty acres and we finally got
up here. I guess it was around

457
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:40.759
twenty nineteen. Maybe we were fancying
ourselves that we were going to build our

458
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.599
own house, or at least convert
our own house. So we found a

459
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.640
local place here that had a it's
basically a shit It's like forty feet long

460
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.799
and about fourteen feet wide with a
big sleeping loft in it, and we

461
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:56.119
were going to live off grid and
convert this into our house. Well,

462
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.240
we did live off grid here for
about a year and a half with nothing

463
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:03.160
but solar, no running water.
It was one of the best years of

464
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.599
my life. I loved it,
but I'm not a carpenter. We didn't

465
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.920
have the skills to do that.
So we eventually found a place here locally

466
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.319
that would build us a tiny house. So we had a four hundred square

467
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.680
foot tiny house built, and we
eventually got up here full time just a

468
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.440
couple of years ago. And during
the trips that we would take, we

469
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.640
would go out and do night hikes
and we would spend a couple of days

470
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.039
on the property, but were never
here for an extended amount of time.

471
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.680
And even the year that we lived
off grid, I heard some weird things

472
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.599
in the woods, but it wasn't
anything that really stood out to me as

473
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.039
possible Bigfoot activity. That didn't start
literally until about two years ago. And

474
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.519
the first time that had happened,
we had a hot tub right off of

475
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.519
our deck and we were out.
You know, it's like midnight and it's

476
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.200
like a cool fall evening you know, fifty degrees. We're in the hot

477
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.680
tub having a glass of wine and
I hear what sounds like the Ohio howel

478
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.200
like on the ridge behind us.
Now we're surrounded by nothing but land.

479
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:03.720
There's no neighbors than a half a
mile of us, and behind us is

480
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.079
another two hundred and fifty to three
hundred acres of just woods that is over

481
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.079
the ridge behind where our property stops. And that's where the sound was coming

482
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.640
from. And I'm like, that
is really strange. Did you don't know

483
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.920
how it was at the time.
I did. I'd heard it. I'd

484
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.000
heard it because I'd started the show
at this point and I'd done some research

485
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.000
and I'd heard that on the internet
whatever. I'd looked it up and heard

486
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:27.960
some of the sounds I'd had run
more hit on. We'd talked about the

487
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.720
Sierra sounds, and I'd had some
folks here from the Yure National Forest nearby

488
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.759
who had recorded. Julie Ranch had
recorded a bunch of things, and nothing

489
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.119
really sounded like that. But it
did sound closer to the Ohio how than

490
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.880
anything i'd heard, and it was
really far off there, right, It

491
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.880
was probably a mile mile and a
half away, So that happened a couple

492
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.920
of times, and I just kind
of chalked it up to, you know,

493
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.440
that's weird. You know, it
could have been a maybe it was

494
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.759
a coyote, maybe as a wolf. I don't know, but I had

495
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.960
done in episode of the show.
I'd had an interview one night and it

496
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.640
was pretty late and we're up in
the loft getting ready winded down and writing

497
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.279
down some show notes whatever. It's
about fifty degrees outside, so we slept

498
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.359
with the windows open, and I
opened up all the windows around the bed

499
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.000
and just chilling, and probably fifty
yards into the woods next to the house,

500
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.720
I hear what sounds like the Ohio, Ohio with a bark on the

501
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.440
end, like this little or at
the end. I'm not gonna lie,

502
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.920
like it really scared me and I
felt it. I mean it was so

503
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.359
loud we felt it. It had
to be forty fifty yards away. And

504
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.880
like, did you hear that?
Yeah? I heard that. What do

505
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.480
you think that was? I don't
know, what do you think? You

506
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.319
know? So we're going through this
and again a man comes razor right,

507
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.319
I'm like, you know, it's
probably you know, I don't know.

508
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.319
I didn't know what it was.
So that was really the closest thing that

509
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.960
happened. And then we didn't have
any activity for a while. You know,

510
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.680
I was talking to Doug. I'd
called Doug Hichecks some and I'd tell

511
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.079
him about some of the things that
were going on, and he's likely if

512
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.039
you heard wood knocks, No,
do you have property? Do you have

513
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.119
water on your property? Yes,
there's two creeks that runs the entire length

514
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:07.039
of the property. We start going
down, you know, and he's like,

515
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.240
it sounds like you may have some
activity and I'm like, yeah,

516
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.480
I don't know. I haven't seen
anything, you know. So fast forward,

517
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.839
just like literally a month ago,
I had taken some time off from

518
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.599
the show and we went on a
hike and went to a different area of

519
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:30.000
the property that we had never hiked
before. And I wasn't even going to

520
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.200
take my phone. I was literally
just doing nothing big foot. It was

521
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:36.480
just get out in the woods,
clear my mind, and it was just

522
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.720
Danny and I getting out into the
woods, getting away. Yeah, so

523
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.359
I didn't want to bring my phone
out, but I eventually grabbed it before

524
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.799
we went out into the woods,
and I'm glad I did because we really

525
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.799
started finding some weird stuff. I
was finding what looked like structures and just

526
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.400
weird things that were kind of sticking
out to me. And I get to

527
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:58.119
this certain point where this a little
dry creek bed had a little bit of

528
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.880
water in it, still standing,
and I went to cross over it and

529
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.240
I looked down and I see what
looks like this footprint, And it immediately

530
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.519
jumped out to me like, oh, it's paradolia, right, It's just

531
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.480
it looks like a footprint the way
the waters glistening or whatever. So I

532
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.160
stopped, I'm gonna that'll be a
cool picture. I'm gonna take my picture,

533
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.480
take my phone out and take a
picture of it. And I did.

534
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.839
And as I got down to take
the picture, I got closer and

535
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.640
I saw what looked like five toes. And then I looked closer and it

536
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.400
looked like the toes had sunk in
a little further in the front than what

537
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.519
looked like the back of the foot. And so I snapped a couple of

538
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.079
more pictures, and then he was
like, let's move on, let's go.

539
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.599
So I just moved on from it, and then we went on and

540
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.240
found I took a bunch of pictures
that day of full crumb type structures and

541
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.519
things that just stuck out to me
in the wood. So and I really

542
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.880
didn't think much about the footprint until
I got back and I sent it to

543
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.519
a couple of people I sent it. I texted it to Doug high Check

544
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:52.240
and he looked at it and he
said, dude, that looks like a

545
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:54.599
footprint. I'm like, well,
And then it started raining because we'd had

546
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.319
rained up before that, so it
rained for like three more days. I

547
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.160
couldn't get back to it to cast
it. I knew it was gone,

548
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.359
but at least I had the couple
of pictures I had taken of it.

549
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:09.360
And then just I don't know,
maybe two days after that. I'd never

550
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.199
heard a tree knock on the property
or anything that you'd resembled a tree knock.

551
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.360
And I got up at like three
in the morning to go out on

552
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.840
the porch and do what guys do
who live in the woods at three in

553
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.760
the morning, and I hear what
sounds like four power knocks back up on

554
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.360
top of the ridge behind the house. Three in the morning. In Lenor,

555
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:34.679
North Carolina, there's nobody up doing
construction, and they roll up the

556
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:37.800
sidewalks in downtown so I don't know
what it could have been. It sounded

557
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.079
to me like, like I said, what people describe as power knocks,

558
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.880
and then I don't know. We
passed forward to about a week and a

559
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.000
half after that. I'm walking the
dogs around our regular trail around the property

560
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.159
and a trail that we had walked
just the night before after their evening feeding.

561
00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:00.719
There looked like smack dab in the
middle of this muddy spot was a

562
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.440
footprint, just one. There was
only one, the proverbial one footprint,

563
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.840
So you know, I casted it
and the cast turned out pretty well.

564
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.719
I was actually going to try to
bring it to Idaho for you to look

565
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.360
at Cliff and Meldrum to take a
look at when we were out there,

566
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.760
but I put it out on my
porch to dry, and I don't know,

567
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.079
two days into the drying process,
it's in a box sitting outside on

568
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.440
the porch. One of our chickens
flies up on the porch and knocks the

569
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.360
box over and cracks it in three
places. So it's been a comedy of

570
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.840
ears. But I did put it
back together because I'm going to try to

571
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.360
make up sort of a reproduction of
it with a mother mold. But it's

572
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.679
definitely got five toes and it's about
fourteen inches long and about seven and a

573
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.840
half inches wide at its widest point. So I don't know. Stay tuned

574
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.840
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. We'll be right back after

575
00:35:50.920 --> 00:36:00.920
these messages. Literally on Monday,
I had some neighbors that are about a

576
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:05.039
half a mile away invited us over
for a hike because they were in town

577
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.440
for the holiday. So we go
over and we've never hiked their property before.

578
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.880
They have. I think it's ten
acres that goes up to the back

579
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.400
of the ridge on the other side
of our road, and I find some

580
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:22.119
of the strangest structures and weird bent
trees and a big teepee structure. I

581
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.320
posted it on my Sasquatch Odo see
Instagram for folks to take a look at

582
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.440
if you want to look at that. I've never seen anything like it,

583
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.280
and it's clearly not a natural occurrence. Something has put those things in that

584
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.599
it looks like a tepee around this
big tree. Did you find a turtle

585
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.000
shell or something? I did?
Actually, yeah, I'm glad you said

586
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.000
that. I kind of skipped over
that, but that was one of the

587
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:51.960
first things that happened is along that
path where we walk the dogs. That's

588
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:58.199
the first thing that happened was this
bleached white turtle shell is upside down and

589
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.559
stuck into the side of this old
rotting cedar log It's a cedar stump,

590
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.880
and it it started the whole ball
rolling with me trying to gift, which

591
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:14.760
I've never really kind of given too
much credit, honestly, I just I

592
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.159
don't know about the whole gifting thing, but you know, I had some

593
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:22.440
things, take a couple of jars
a sunbutter off the stump and never had

594
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.119
anything left there, but things have
been taken. But we have some really

595
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.239
big raccoons here, so it was
more than likely a raccoon. But yeah,

596
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.480
that was sort of the first thing
that happened. And then you know

597
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.400
the footprints that I was back up
on the ridge casting yesterday. So the

598
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.719
cast didn't turn out too great,
It wasn't very The substrate here is really

599
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.360
hard, it hasn't rained and probably
a week and a half so just for

600
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.760
there to be an imprint of what
looks like a huge toe in one of

601
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.280
the prints. And this was a
series of two that I found going down

602
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:57.239
the side of this ridge and casting
on an incline was not easy to do

603
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.639
yesterday, but I did get a
couple of casts of those. And that's

604
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.280
like I said, it's about half
a mile away from my property. So

605
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.480
I don't know some interesting things.
Man, I never say definitively, you

606
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.599
know it is what it is,
but I don't know it's weird stuff.

607
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.679
Well, it seems like this is
a good time to interject that idea that

608
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.159
I've brought up a few times on
the podcast, and it's just something to

609
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.199
remind ourselves, as you know bigfoot
aficionados, is that the casts very often

610
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:30.000
don't turn out. That's why I'm
really emphasizing everybody not only documents their fines

611
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.800
or possible footbard fines with casts,
but also with photographs. Over the years,

612
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.599
I find that sometimes they photograph far
better than they turn out in the

613
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.519
cast, and then vice versa.
Sometimes you can't see what's going on in

614
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:44.159
the photograph or even with your eyes
at the time, but you know something's

615
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.400
there. You pour plaster and it
kind of comes to light in a way.

616
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.679
And like the data also, it's
almost like the data is skewed by

617
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.719
all these wonderful photographs and casts.
That other people have obtained over the years,

618
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.920
you know, the Patterson stuff or
the tipmus stuff, or the Freeman's

619
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.559
stuff for the Shay stuff. Like
all these researchers who have been out and

620
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.119
casting the best prints they could find, makes us think that our footprint casts

621
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.760
should also look like that, but
they simply don't. If you're out there

622
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.760
doing your diligent work as a researcher
and casting examples of every track way you

623
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:20.360
find and choosing the best ones out
of that or the worst ones out of

624
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.599
that, whicheverone might show the most
information and insight into the way that these

625
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:27.760
things walk around, you're going to
have a lot of ugly casts in your

626
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.039
collection, casts that, as I
say, only a mother can love.

627
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.920
So for you, Brian, anybody
else listening, is I don't beat yourself

628
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.719
up about not having a good looking
cast, because most casts aren't going to

629
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:43.360
look good if they're real. You
know, that's something we need to remember.

630
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:49.519
The photographs in the books and what
we see online and things like that,

631
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.719
they skew our perception of what the
footprint cast will eventually look like.

632
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.440
So good on you for collecting the
ugly ones too well. I appreciate that

633
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:01.920
because I've for the ugliest cast that
I think I've ever seen in my life

634
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.440
taken, but they're staying in my
collection. They are I say it all

635
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:08.400
the time on my show. Everything
is data. So I want to create

636
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.000
as much data as I possibly can, because you know, we may look

637
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.760
back on it in a year or
two or five and say, Wow,

638
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.719
I'm glad I did that. So
I'm going to continue to collect whatever I

639
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.639
find. Oh yeah, I mean
the information from the nineteen sixties and Bluff

640
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.880
Creek. Some of that information has
been looked at very closely in the last

641
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.199
twenty years, and things have been
learned about those casts, for example,

642
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.159
or the Freeman stuff. You know, a lot of those the stuff that

643
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.280
Freeman was collecting, he didn't recognize
that he was casting the same individuals,

644
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:42.079
and neither did West Summerlin or Grover
Crans for that matter. Grover actually had

645
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.000
suspicions about some of it. But
they give they gave different names to different

646
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.960
creatures, and some of those names, like Earl, for example, is

647
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.519
a name that they gave to one
of these creatures that they continually cast,

648
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.920
that is rinklefoot, and they gave
that an animal a different name. So

649
00:40:54.039 --> 00:41:00.239
wrinklefoot is earl at which who is
the what do they call the buckskin individual?

650
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.920
That's what West Summerland called him.
Yeah, so all these animals who

651
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.320
they thought were different creatures were actually
the same individual being seen again and again

652
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.719
over time. So that's the great
thing about data. It doesn't go away

653
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.920
once you collect it. Once you
have it, it's there forever and it

654
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.440
could be analyzed with new eyes as
new information comes to light. So you're

655
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.039
absolutely right in that perspective. So
a lot of stuf's been going on on

656
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.840
your property or near your property.
I guess have you gotten to other parts

657
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.480
of the country and done any research, and if so, what have you

658
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.159
found interesting and or similar or different, you know, in the various parts

659
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:39.559
of the country. I haven't gotten
to go out in the woods. I

660
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.159
did go out in the woods in
Tennessee last year. I went up to

661
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.559
speak at a gathering up there last
year and we got out in the woods

662
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.679
that night. Didn't really find anything. Heard some really cool coyote howls and

663
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.480
things like that. But I'm actually
I have the opportunity. I'm going up

664
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:59.360
in October. I'm going up to
BC and the Radium area to do research

665
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:04.599
with Todd standing in the beginning of
October. So I'm excited about that trip.

666
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.639
I've been looking forward to that for
a while, and I know he's

667
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.320
a very controversial figure in the big
Foot community, but I'm looking forward to

668
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.719
that trip because i want to get
up there's I've interviewed tons of people who

669
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.719
have been on expeditions with Todd and
some of the things that they're claiming to

670
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.400
find is phenomenal, you know.
And I've actually had Todd on the show

671
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.800
and talked about that as well.
But I've always had issues. I've been

672
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.400
very forthcoming about my issues with his
videos, but the footprints and the other

673
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.920
things that have been found up there, you know. And I even got

674
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.079
to talk to doctor Meldron when we
were in Idaho about his time up there,

675
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.800
and some of the things that he
saw convinced him that it's it's very

676
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:45.559
possible there's some activity going on.
So I'm definitely looking forward to that trip

677
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:49.400
in October. He's a great spot. There's definitely squatches there. Yeah.

678
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.159
Ken Walker. I think told Bendernoggle
about if it's the same spot ken Walker,

679
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.000
who we've had on the show that
taxit are the same, Yeah,

680
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.880
heard about this spot from one of
his trappers, and then he told Bendernoggle.

681
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.000
Benner Nouggles told Standing when Standing,
I guess approached him, I guess

682
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.039
this is how I've heard it happened. I don't know if that's true or

683
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.599
not about the spot. So they're
working a good spot. It's just you

684
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.480
know, we had we had Todd
Standing on the show on the Finding big

685
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.119
Foot. I don't think his films
are real. I mean just my opinion,

686
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.000
of course, but but he was
a very nice guy. I'll give

687
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.239
him that. Like, I'd like
the guy the individual. I just didn't

688
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.280
think, like those those space shots
are real or anything like that. But

689
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.119
who knows. You know, if
he's working a spot and getting good results,

690
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:31.119
you know, fine with me.
I'd like to see some of the

691
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.199
footprint cast, so those would be
most convincing. Yeah, I'm definitely going

692
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.400
to try to take some casting material. I've got some audio stuff i'm gonna

693
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.000
take for the trip, and I'm
gonna try to get some videos and do

694
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.519
some interviews while i'm there with I
think it's just going to be me and

695
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.239
Todd and maybe Kyle that go out, So there's only going to be a

696
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.639
small number of us, so there's
not gonna be a whole lot going on

697
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:52.719
other than what we're doing. So
I'm definitely looking forward to it. So

698
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.400
you've had him on the show a
couple of times or once at least,

699
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:01.519
right, Yes, yeah, yeah, generally nice guy, right or he

700
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.280
certainly puts forth a good face.
I'll say that, like he sings sings

701
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.280
of good songs. He seems to
know something about sasquatch behavior or in general.

702
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.599
So what has he been doing lately? I've I haven't heard anything since

703
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.000
like he put out you know that
thing with Meldrum and bender Noggle is.

704
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.280
So he's running trips now, is
that right? Yeah, he's been.

705
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.519
He's been doing that for a while, and he's he's working on a second

706
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:28.559
documentary. I know they've been filming
for that for quite a while. I

707
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.119
don't know when that's supposed to come
out, but I know he's been putting

708
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:36.159
that together at least that's what he
told me for quite some time. And

709
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.880
he is doing you know, during
the summer, he's doing quite a few

710
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.840
expeditions pretty much a couple of months. I think that he has a ton

711
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.000
of people going out with him,
so you know, again, I'm with

712
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.920
you. I had him on the
show. Very nice guy, you know,

713
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.679
I just don't believe the videos are
real. And the only reason he

714
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.199
came on my show, because I've
called him out as a hoax or for

715
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.320
years, was me having less Strout
on the show once I had survived overman

716
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.559
On and we actually talked about Todd
because he had spent time with Todd in

717
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.239
his research area. Then Todd decided
he would come on the show, and

718
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.239
to his credit, he defended himself
and he answered the questions that I had.

719
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.039
I had some tough questions about it. I think the thing for me

720
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.920
with his films has always been what
happened before that, what happened after that,

721
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.639
what happened leading up to that,
And I'm certainly wanting to have that

722
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.039
conversation with him face to face.
You know, he may tell me to

723
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:27.559
go pound Sam, but I'm definitely
going to ask the questions when I get

724
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:29.880
up there, because I would love
for them to be real. I'm just

725
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.199
not sure that they are. But
I've never doubted that he's had experiences and

726
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.079
that he's in an area. I
too, have had Ken Walker on the

727
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.480
show, and Ken had talked about
that area and all the sightings that have

728
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.480
happened in that area. So I
believe just like you and Bobbo said,

729
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.800
I think he's in a great area. I think he's probably having and maybe

730
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:50.320
even continues to have experiences. I'm
just not sure. You know about the

731
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.440
videos that he purports to be Sasquatch. When I met him, I'm fighting

732
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:58.280
Bigfoot. He invited me to go
to a spot with him, but he

733
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:00.880
also told me that in order to
get there, I have to crawl through

734
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.920
ice cold water wearing a gilly suit
for three days in order to get there,

735
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:07.440
which seemed like a really nice way
to make sure I wouldn't do it.

736
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.559
But yeah, that's just my take
on it. Maybe he's right,

737
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.519
Maybe that's what you have to do, and that's why I happened to.

738
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.840
You know, I have better results, I guess, but I don't know.

739
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:19.400
If I hope you get some good
stuff. It would be nice to

740
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.360
see some good evidence come out of
any of these areas. Certainly, and

741
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.000
god knows, we get asked about
Todd Standing all the time. So but

742
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.639
you know, if you want to
know what we think about Todd Standing,

743
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.639
you can watch the Finding big Foot
episode that he's on. Well, Brian,

744
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.440
you have God, you have more
podcasts than I would wish upon anybody.

745
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.639
You must have heard just some crazy
stories. I mean, especially in

746
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.880
the true the True Crime podcast and
Weird Encounters. I mean that kind of

747
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:47.280
says it all. That says everything
you need to know about the podcast.

748
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.320
You must have had some ridiculous stories. If you can, you stick around

749
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.280
for a member section so we can
hear some of these ridiculous Well, and

750
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.960
when I say ridiculous, I mean
like wild out there sort of story,

751
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.239
not only about Sasquatches, but anything
else that you've been running across. But

752
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.599
whether it's a paranormal strange activity or
true crime stuff or whatever. If you

753
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.440
don't wouldn't mind sticking around for a
member section, It would really really appreciate

754
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.280
it. And we'll record that next. But in the meantime, Brian,

755
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.960
where can people find you? I
mean, go up, This is your

756
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.639
time to shout your podcast for the
mountaintop. And websites are in you know,

757
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.800
social media or whatever you want.
Yeah, you can get Sasquatch Odyssey

758
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.599
anywhere you're listening to this podcast,
Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it,

759
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.079
it's there. All you got to
do is punch in Sasquatch Odyssey,

760
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.760
it'll pop up. You can head
over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot

761
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.840
com. You can see all the
shows there. Check out all the host

762
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.280
of the various shows. I'm not
the only one on the network. Like

763
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.320
I said, we are at of
a couple of other podcasts that people host

764
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:50.079
that are a part of our network. So Paranormal Productions dot com and all

765
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:55.440
the socials, Sasquatch Odyssey at as
Sasquatch Odyssey on Instagram, as Sasquatch Odyssey

766
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:02.280
podcast on TikTok, and we have
a Squatch Odyssey podcast YouTube channel as well

767
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:07.199
that I post stuff over. So
that's about it. That's where anywhere you

768
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:08.639
get podcasts, you could listen to
the show. We put out a show.

769
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:13.320
I'm doing three shows a week now
typically, so tons of things.

770
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.199
I think we're about three hundred and
forty or so episodes into the show.

771
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.679
Okay, and a lot of those
links are going to be in our show

772
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.760
notes below for those people listening,
ben us click on that stuff. Matt

773
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.159
Prut makes it easy for you,
all right. Well, with that,

774
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.639
Brian, thanks so much for coming
on Big Pot and Beyond with Cliff and

775
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.199
Bobo and we'll stand the line.
Of course, we're gonna go over to

776
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.559
our member section and record that for
our fabulous Patreon members. We really really

777
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:37.280
appreciate your time, Brian, thank
you, Yeah, thanks, bye,

778
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.320
I appreciate you all right, If
you do want to become a member,

779
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.400
you can do that. I think
it's five bucks a month if I remember

780
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.760
right. I'm not a member,
but Bobo is. That's how good it

781
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.039
is. One of the hosts is
actually a member of our own podcasts.

782
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.320
So yeah, if you want to
listen to an extra forty five minutes or

783
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.280
an hour or so of content every
single week from the mouths of Cliff and

784
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:58.679
Bobo, become a member, and
of course that link will also be in

785
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.760
the show notes. But if you're
not that kind of person, you can

786
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.639
always go to Patreon dot com,
big Foot and Beyond podcast, or just

787
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.760
go to the Bigfoot and Beyond podcast
dot com website and follow the links to

788
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.599
the membership. That's probably the easiest
way. Speaking of the website, you

789
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:15.559
can also go to Bigfoot and Beyond
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790
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.960
monthly Q and A. You can
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791
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.039
want, and Matt Pruitt goes through
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792
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793
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794
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.760
If you want to hear your beautiful
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795
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.039
of things. Feel free to go
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796
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:42.719
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797
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.119
So there you go, bo,
Do you have anything else to add?

798
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:54.880
Until next week? Folks, keep
it squatchy. Thanks for listening to

799
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:59.679
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800
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