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Hey everybody, thanks for coming to
another episode of my Angular Story. Today.

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You've got your panelist Aaron Frosty,
and we have as our guest a

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GD An Angelo GD from so Paulo
with William. Can you go ahead and

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introduce yourself William to everybody so that
they can get to know who you are.

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Hello Adam, Hello everybody. So
my name is Uilia Grazzo. I'm

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a GD from Brazils and Paulo.
I am a web developer. I'm in

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RT for fifteen or maybe even more
years, but last five or seven years

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I'm working mainly with FRONTI ends,
single page applications and all sorts of jobsment

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frameworks, Mediama, but some others
as well, and I ruin some communits

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super zero. We run an angle
armtup here, probably the BIJS or one

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of the big jazzmach in America.
Uh, it's called It's anglar sp from

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Cool. Cool. So so Follow
that's like basically the most gigantic city

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in Brazil, right, yeah,
probably the whole ute in America, one

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of the biggest of the worlds.
Just a big yeah, yeah, yeah

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yeah. How many people are in
follow? Oh I'm not into pet numbers.

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But it's a very like most of
the people all over Brazil. That's

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one. So some new job or
increase their money, their salary, they

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come to some follow Harry is where
we have most of the opportunities any it,

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not that we having other estates,
but some allow. The city in

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the States is probably the most about
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on Google twelve twelve point one,
twelve point two million, so it's yeah,

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it's got half the population in California. It's huge. That's crazy.

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We have a crazy des pres key. Yeah, seriously. Well cool.

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So I'm guessing because it's so giant
that there's probably a pretty cool text in

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there, a lot of meetups,
a lot of cool conferences. Yeah.

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We usually say that if you want
to dinner for free every day, you

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could shoot pick pick up some meetup
and needs for free whateverywhere. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, so it's probably
a good place to be, like living

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a single life as a programmer,
getting free dinner three or four nights a

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week. That's funny, that's cool, super zero No, go ahead,

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no, you guys, I'm saying
that in Brazil it's probably the best,

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the best way to see if you
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the best place. Oh cool,
So how long have you been so,

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William Grisel? Right, yeah,
it's more like grazo. But I you

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know, for for give people,
it's very difficult to say that. For

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people from where I'm from, We're
gonna say grasel, but it's grassy.

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It's they say grazeo grazel, but
it's grazzo grazo. Okay, William,

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you said, right, yeah,
And how long you've been working with engither?

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I have you worked with Fingler for
since the version one dot that?

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So one dot five probably I started
with like two thousand and thirty thirteen,

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probably a long time ago. I
started using backbone Jazz back then we did

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some big financial systems here for some
financial companies with backbone. Then I started

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twisted angler JS because I saw that
everybody was migrated into that and backbone Jazz

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were probably and not going to be
that big in the next years. And

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then I got my first projects,
a big project for some sorts of small

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bi seyastem on the web with angler
JS, A very hard season. I

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always say that I learned the right
away to do in lar Jas applications because

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of that season I could I didn't
have a chance to do the wrong way,

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like uh doing something that could screw
the performances and everything else, because

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uh, there was so much data
and some some much grafts and things to

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do that I needed to to learn
the things the right way to do it

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performed with good performancey and everything.
Yeah. I started in front and stuff

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kind of doing jQuery, and then
did censia, and then backbone so and

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then and then like you, I
went from a backbone to uh angular one

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x. That's cool. I mean, I'm using backbone as the first for

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single page applications. But before that, I used a lot of j Carey

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And even before j Carry, I
had a portfolio with a lot of graphics

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and moving stuffing around. Uh with
just jabscrit. You rewrited everything with Jake

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Carrey and it was one third of
the cold it was Yeah, totally totally

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happened with the results. Yeah,
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j Querry will always be I'll always
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just because it helped me out so
much. So even though I don't use

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it today, I'll always remember it, like in a good light. You

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know what I'm saying, I'll always
think about it. Yeah. Yeah,

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people, now this is not going
to understand what it was back then.

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Yeah, no, totally. You
know, back in two thousand and twelve

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eleven ten, we were supporting I
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we were doing you had to support
everything, and so there was no there

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was no way to do it without
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even seven browsers not following the correct
web specifications. Yeah, and we needed

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to support everything at the same time. What's crazy, Yeah, it was

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crazy. People complain about frameworks nowadays
they don't know what to support all these

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browsers back there. Yeah yeah,
I mean we're complaining about different things now

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than we used to. That's definitely, that's definitely the case. Hey,

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folks, this is Charles Maxwood and
I just launched my book, The Maxicoder's

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It's up on Amazon. We self published

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Job. Have a good one,
max out. So talk to me about

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how did you get into the GD
program, Like when you interview they ask

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you a ton of questions like,
hey, do you know what's your STACKO?

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What are your blog posts? Do
you speak a lot? Do you

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organize the media meet up? Do
you do video podcasts? Or so?

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What kind of what were kind of? And then also you have to be

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an expert, so what kind of
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you became a GDE. So for
me, the whole thing started when I

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were in a company actually the beginning
of my career. I normally used it

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to work with big companies, banks
and financial things. So these kind of

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companies and people that work then and
then they're not so used to be at

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the communitys and events organized by the
community, so I didn't know much about

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it back then. Then I worked
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made for developers with developers, and
the whole company was about a GIO TDD

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and communities, and the guys that
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they were speaker, they organized it. They still still now. They

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organized a lot of communits and I
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and I saw a lot of them
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things, and I said, well, I may I may be when starting

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to do that and learn with them, so I can learn a little bit,

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I can share a little bit of
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was about two thousand and thirty when
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pools, when I started submitting some
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and UH conference that we have here
in Brazil from Paulo and so I started

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small and when I saw it was
like with one talk per month, yeah,

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and I started to I in that
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these alerg anglr SP with that group
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year, and I talked with the
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there and then I started to do
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a lots. And so when I
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and I discovered about the GD program, I saw, yeah, maybe maybe

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it makes sense to try and submit
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in Brazil and that I knew already, and I didn't know that they were

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gds and what this programs were about, and they explained that to me it

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was silnonists, which yeah, he
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Brazil's INSTID. Yeah, but he
is to live here in Brazil. Loyenne

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Grange. Yeah yeah. So when
Zero became a GD, I interviewed him.

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Yeah program, he interviewed me to
the community part. Yeah, oh

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cool, Yeah that's cool. That's
funny. Yeah, I was. He's

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a good guy. Yeah, that's
funny. So Loleyna also you talked to

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her as well. Yeah. Leyenne
is very now he lives abroad also,

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but I used it to be very
next to her. See, she lived

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here in Saint Paul, so we
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She did a lot of talks and
Las Pimta. We were very close seconds.

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He was a little bit not that
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me a lot. Maybe I never
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he listened, he can op.
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some time, she was the one
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put you there and help you with
that process. Cool. Yeah. I

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actually met both you and her for
the first time last week, and we'll

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talk more about that in a second. So yeah, I think we're gonna

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get her on the podcast in a
little bit. So everyone can kind of

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get to know her. Yeah,
she seemed super super cool. So what

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are you like if you had to
say, Hey, I'm I'm an expert

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in this with Angular, what are
what are some of your expertises? I

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know all of us have like our
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know more than most people and it's
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that, and so what are what
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Hey, this is where i'm super
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the dogs and Engler that I give
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Probably I do a lot of generic
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most of most of the two talks
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when I'm talking about English definite reactive
and performance. Yeah, reactive. That's

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probably my favorite talk to talk about
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feel like it's the most important topic
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the harder ones for me to understand. So I like to I like to

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spend time talking. Plus, yeah, I have I don't know I'm coming

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to terms with I think I'm in
love with our exgs. Like I like

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the observable, primitive. It's like
a really nice promise. But the rapper

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that is our xgs. I don't
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because it's our exist is absolutely beautiful, so it's it's a fantastic It's

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a fantastic thing. So yeah,
I feel you on that one. Yeah,

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the is it? And then I
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what was coming to tow Angler two
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love with that. I was.
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and when I saw the power of
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much more and combine the promises with
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I saw, man, that's the
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get to this conclusion. Yeah I
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I hated it at first, and
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then, maybe three or four years
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better now at teaching about it because
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so yeah, and then I don't
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clicked one day and I was like, oh my gosh, this is beautiful.

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at a you work at a financial
institution. You work at a financial institution

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in Brazil. You did you say
you organized a meetup? Yeah, you

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organize a meetup? What else?
What else consumes your your like your hours

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between waketime and sleep time? What
else you well? Uh, martin communits

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and gd stuff. I personally love
games, vision games serious. So I

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grill have a PS four and a
need thing switch and I tried to divide

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my time with them. Yeah.
I watched a lot of serious series movies,

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Marvel movies, I just watched a
joker yesterday. Oh yeah, how

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was it? It was very cool? Man. I want to go see

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it. I need to go see
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So, if anyone wants to kind
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from Brazil, anyone from the States
or anywhere else, what's the best way

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to get in touch with you.
What's the way you prefer the community reaches

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out to you. For technical things, I suggest everybody to follow me and

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message me on Twitter. I usually
divide my social networks by teams like tweeters

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just technical things. For me,
I just share technical things. Just follow

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people that share technical things. Even
if I like the person, it's not

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a technical person, I don't follow
them, just divide by them. If

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people want to talk with me by
more political, philosophical, and other personal

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things, Facebook is the best network
to it. Yeah, and maybe some

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peaks and know a little bit of
where I'm going and what I'm doing in

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the personal parts of my life.
Maybe Stegorand would be the best. For

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technical reasons. If you want us
angler job script specific questions, Tweeter is

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the way to go. Yeah,
okay on Twitter just for everyone listening is

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it's in the show notes, so
you can come to the show page and

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see it. But his Twitter handle
is will G m b r w I

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l l G as in George M
b as embrave r, So that's how

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you can reach out to him there. Well cool, Let's let's move on

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to the picks. So this is
where we share kind of something that we've

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done recently. So I'm gonna share
two things. I'm gonna pick two things.

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The first thing I pick is road
trips. That's my first pick.

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So if you have a chance to
take a to take a flight, you

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know, a one hour flight,
or you could do a six hour drive

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with a friend, do the six
hour drive. I recently did a road

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trip with my buddies and we had
a lot of fun after a lot.

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So I'm gonna pick road trips just
for quality of life, like, let

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you kind of get it the bond
with your buddies. The second thing I

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want to pick is laughy taffy jokes. You know, do you guys have

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lack taffy and Preston never heard about
it. It's little candies that have jokes

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on them. I'm gonna tell you
a joke. I'm gonna tell you some

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laughing taffy jokes? Ready, yeah, all right? Why did the girl

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have a tiny wooden infants infant?
No idea she wanted a widow baby?

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Sorry to play on words probably probably
doesn't translate very well. What kind of

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check has no money spelled check?
Okay? So anyway I could do.

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I could do these jokes all day
life. I love laughing. So that's

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my other pick. So road trips
have jokes. My picks? What do

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you got? What are your picks? So is it that can call personal

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both? I mean I just picked
a road trip and some candy jokes,

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so you can pick whatever you want, so you personal whatever personal levels.

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I really love games that touch me
in my emotional way, like Last of

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Us or Journey, and games that
it's not just about action, can't have

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action, but really drove me into
something that moves me, that makes me

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feel differently, like in my emotional
way, for example Shadow of Colossus and

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this kind of game that makes you
remember them more than others. And for

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technical things. Uh, one of
the things that I really am joined to

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do uh the last year years probably
our infrastructure code. So right now on

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my company, we are developing some
Zion seasons. Uh. Builders a lot

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of internal tooling to help other developers
make their they are easy there to make

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their lives easier, to developer fests
and in a more standardized way. So

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we we make the roads so everybody
can walk to drive fast. And I'm

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really in love with the scheme out
the whole scheme at keys and Angular c

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l I A PIKS we are using
that a lot so and reading off with

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that cool awesome. Well, I
want to say thanks to you for for

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one being a guest. But I
know being a GDE is hard and it

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takes a lot of time and it
takes a lot of dedication to you know,

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speaking and preparing talks and educating people
and sharing with people who are their

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need of help. So I appreciate
all that you do is a GDE and

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I just want to say thanks,
and then also thanks for coming on and

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letting me and the rest of the
MA Angular Story Angular Story community kind of

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get to know you better. So
again, if anyone wants to reach out

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to William on Twitter, it's w
I L L G M B R and

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uh yeah, So again William,
thanks to you and to the listeners,

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Thank yeah to the listeners, I
will say catch you next time. Thanks.

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