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Welcome back, fellow thermonuclear affers.
I am Dampa Valley coming at you with

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yet another NBA team look Ahead that
we will pray does not get outdated like

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all the other ones. As soon
as we finished recording, I am super

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excited to be joined once again.
Frequent guest and now longtime friend of the

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podcast, Lazarus Jackson. Follow him
on Twitter immediately and forever at Last Chance.

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That's at LA z c H A
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co host of the Detroit bad Boys
podcast, which is a fantastic podcast.

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Go check it out. He's also
an editor for the Detroit bad Boys website,

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and he's a participant in hashtag NBA
Twitter and the Dean of Pistons Twitter.

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I hope that they pay you to
be the Dean of Pistons Twitter.

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Las. The most important question I
will ask you this podcast. How the

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heck are you? Dan? I'm
doing so well right now. Media Day

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was Monday. I'm very excited for
the season to start. Is good to

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be here and talk with you.
I feel like the season isn't really around

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the corner until you hit me up
on Twitter. It was like, Hey,

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you want to talk about the Bustins
for an hour and I'm like,

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yeah, yeah, let's do that. That sounds fun. Look, I

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love these chats, but I feel
like when I start doing these previews look

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Aheads because they're not previews like these
are. These are bougie and more in

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depth there look Aheads. But that's
when the season starts for me, is

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when I have to start thinking about
this. And I'm always thrilled when people

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agree to come back on, especially
if it's more than twice, because like

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once or twice, you'd be like, oh, they don't really know what

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they're getting into. But like you, this is like your eighth appearance on

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this podcast, because we've done other
stuff as well, so you know what

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you're getting into. So I'm always
humbled that you agree to come back.

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I do have another question that's only
semi Pistons related. How is Chance doing?

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Chances doing great? We got him
some dueling like University of Michigan Michigan

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State gear, and so now whoever
whoever wins the game the football game later

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this year gets to dress him up
and do all the Instagram posts and everything

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he can walk. That's the other
that's the other big news. So last

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time we talked, he was just
like a little you know, like Amiba

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couldn't do anything. Now he can
walk and that means he can walk away.

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It means he can walk towards you, and that means in a second

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he'll be able to run. And
that's kind of terrifying. But chances doing

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great. Thanks for asking. He
already you before we started recording much.

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He has homies already, So I
was just like, I feel like he

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was like not even like he was
just crawling last time we spoke, So

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he is growing up. How guted
will you be if you lose the Michigan

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versus Michigan State. I don't have
to watch him where the others barb the

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rest of the year. Devastated,
devastated. That is quite literally the only

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football game my wife cares about,
and so to lose that game is just

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like subject myself to twelve months of
shit talking. I hate it, and

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that what I ever hear people talk
about college football. It makes me wish

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that I cared about college football.
But I just didn't attend to college.

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Granted I was at Penn State for
a year, but I just the college

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I transferred to. It never got
into it, but the way people are

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so passionate about it, and even
college basketball, I'm like, I wish

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I was into that, and I'm
just not. College football is a really

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fun like ceremonial thing, right,
Like you love the pageantry. You go

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to a couple of games and it
just kind of secks you in. But

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also it's so funny that the characters
kind of stay the same. You know,

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the top five teams are the only
teams with any shot at all to

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win, and everybody else is just
kind of floating. You just kind of

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see what happens. So you tune
in, and you know, some years

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Tennessee is good and some years are
in some years Michigan State Secondary can't cover

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anybody, and I'm frustrated. So
actually, let's talk about the Pistons.

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Let me not get started on the
Michigan State Spartan stateship. Yes, the

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Pistons, which is why we're here. I think so based off the reaction

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to the Brandon Bardonovitch trade nationally,
it seems like there was the sense of,

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well, what are the Pistons doing? And I kind of just viewed

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everything they've done is like they're still
rebuilding. They're just trying to optimize like

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the youngsters around them and streamline their
development. Is that the accurate theme of

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what happened to this offseason or is
there anything else that's sort of sticking with

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you about their direction as we enter
this year. I think for the most

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part, that's that's fairly accurate.
Like I mentioned, Media Day was yesterday,

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Troy Weaver like does not talk to
the media very often, and so

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when he does talk, you sorry, you gotta get that one in there.

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It was like, but when he
does talk, right, you gotta

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pay attention because he's only going to
talk like twice a year, and whenever

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you talk, he always like unveils
like a piece of like branding for the

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year, Like what what the theme
of the year is going to be?

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A couple of years ago, it
was, you know, it was restoration.

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Uh, you can't restore something that
like wasn't already great. A couple

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of year last year, it was
the clip is going to be empty.

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He's gonna fire everything in an attempt
to make this team good. This year

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it's ground zero. Where at ground
zero? So my interpretation of what ground

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zero meant is that when he took
over the team two years ago, they

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were underwater and now they have kid
and they're not and so like that's that's

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a pretty good thing, but it
also means, right like at ground zero,

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you still have you still have a
place up to go. And I

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think they expect the bulk of their
progression to come from internal development of the

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young guys. I think the framework
you like establish of like young guys plus

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like vets who complement their skill sets
is accurate. But like you gotta remember,

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Troy Weaver is at heart a scout
from like upstate New York who didn't

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it was like his dad wasn't in
the NBA, right, Like, he

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didn't know anybody. He ground his
way up. He climbed up from the

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mud, and he wants guys that
are gonna, you know, echo that

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sentiment. He wants guys who are
gonna, you know, work really hard

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themselves. And so uh, that's
what I think the Pistons are headed this

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season. Like they would. The
expectations are a little weird, like they'd

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be fine if they made the plan, but they're not like pushing really hard

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for it, And even in like
public comments or in like the moves they've

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made, they don't seem like they
think of themselves as a guaranteed like play

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in team. But I also don't
think they want to be one of the

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teams with the three worst records in
the league like they were last year.

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At the top of the draft,
there is like Scoot and Victor, like

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it would be cool to add one
of those guys. But I think that

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they think that they already have a
guy, the guy in Kade, and

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they want to start the building around
him process more than they feel like they

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need another the guy. I will
say, if they did end up with

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Victor, Wemban Yaman and Kate counting
him on the same team, I'm just

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predicting a dynasty at that point.
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going if they ended up with him. I can't, I can't let it

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enter my heart just yet, Like
I gotta, I gotta keep my self

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separate. And because I think they're
gonna endup with like the fifth or sixth

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pick, right and and so like
that that's where we're gonna go, Like

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we have no shot at Victor,
Like it's it's fine, it's fine,

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it's fine. The Boy and Madonovias
trade. Though I loved it for the

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pistons even, I mean the opportunity
cost was fine, Like you sort of

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clear up a little bit of congestion
at center, and then I don't really

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know we're savingly factored in when you
had Ivy and Killian Hayes and Kike Cunningham

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as well, what did you think
of the trade? And just about one

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boyans fit? But then also too, how do you expect him to be

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used with this team? I love
the trade, I love the fit.

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I loved his skill set, I
love his contract. So it's like I

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love basically everything about this trade.
I think he fits in as a starter,

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as an immediate starter. It would
be a little like I've been surprised

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at how many people aren't necessarily assuming
that he will be a day one starter.

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It's like it's a little weird on
in my mind just because he might

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be their second best player, like
right away, and so like why why

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wouldn't you start that guy? I
know there's a desire to see the youth

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movement, but this guy's still pretty
good in terms of like what he brings

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to the table. I expect him
to can just continue to space the floor,

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keep the offense moving with or without
the ball, Bryce Simon, who

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does a lot of work for us
at Detroit Bad Boys and is a great

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follow on Twitter and does a lot
of YouTube content. He broke down by

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a bunch brought to Utah last year, and there's a lot of stuff off

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screens. There's a lot of stuff
off movement. That an element that's really

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an element the Pistons like didn't have
at all last year. And to add

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something like that in addition to like
a guy who will shoot, you know,

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high thirties, low forties percent from
three is really useful. I think

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he'll also be able to take like
a little bit of playmaking ball handling duties

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off of kid's plate. But that's
not something I think that that's not like

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why you brought him in, right. I think it's something he can do,

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but that's not what I think he'll
be asked to do like all the

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time. There's also the possibility,
like he gets flipped at question, like

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there's I would I don't want to
predict, but if they move him,

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I think they get a first round
pick for him. I think that the

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Jazzer at a disadvantage because they were
trying to you know, there are only

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a few teams at had cap space. They were trying to shed salaries part

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of this trade, and at this
time of year, teams aren't willing to

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like that. They're not willing to
make if it's a star, sure,

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but like teams are trying to figure
out what they have, and Boyam O'donovitch

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is very much a guy that maybe
you acquire midstream when you understand, like

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what's your proximity to contention, what
does your roster actually need after undergoing changes?

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And so if the Pistons do move
him, my bet would be I'm

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not saying they'll get a lottery pick, but I might bet would be they

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get a protected first round pick for
him. I hope you're right, but

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it feels weird to transform like Mason
plum Lely into Kelly Olnik into Boyon plus

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another like top twenty five pick like
that. That daisy chain feels a little

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weird. But you justified as it
is the only plumb Ly left in the

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league, and so perhaps he's like, that's hot commodity. So we follow

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that trade tree to a first round
pick? Makes sense? It does,

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it does, but it's weird to
me to expect to get like a top

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twenty five pick four Boyon in the
future when Utah wasn't able to extract a

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top twenty five pick, and like, you're right, you know, mid

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season. My thinking is like,
you know, somebody gets injured, some

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playoff team needs reinforcements, and so
like there and they think they're closer,

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like they think they'd be closer with
boy On, and so they're more willing

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to part with something like a future
asset. But for right now, like

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I think he probably just ends up
a free agent at the end of the

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season with the Pistons, we say, you know, we shake his hand,

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say thank you for the memories,
thank you for the forty percent from

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three and giving Kaide a lot of
space. It's like, we appreciate it.

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Let's get the nineteen million dollars in
cap space in here, please.

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What are you looking to see from
Kaide in year two? And I think

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a lot of people are going to
be well, the efficiency needs to climb,

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which sure, and I guess he
has more space. I look,

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I'm fascinating to see how he develops
as like a passer, looking specifically at

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the turnovers. But what's the biggest
thing are you looking at year two?

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Kid? Cunning him. The biggest
thing for me is the three point accuracy,

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which is also kind of like another
like big like dumb moment, Like,

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yes, he needs to shoot better
than thirty one percent from three,

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But once he starts being more proficient
on like pull up or off the dribble

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threes, that forces defenses to go
over on screens, which opens up like

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driving lanes and pay touches for him. And that opens up, you know,

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help defenders coming at him to avoid
like giving up shots at the rim,

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and that opens up playmaking avenues for
him, and so like him being

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able to draw defenses in like in
that way is the route from which,

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like the rest of his game should
be able to grow. I expect the

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efficiency to go up as he takes
more free throws, not even like shoots

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better from free throw all right,
Like he shot like eighty five percent from

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the line, Like that's fine,
but he only took like two and a

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half a game, And there were
very clearly a lot of times last year

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where he was not getting to the
line at a rate. Commiserate with somebody

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who was like who had the ball
as much as like he had the ball

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last year he scored like against Denver, he had like thirty points and zero

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free throws and he got like whacked
like four times. And it's just like,

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I don't It's like it's just rookie
stuff, right, Like you you

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expect the trips of the line to
go up. I expect the turnovers to

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go down, just as he gets
more used to the speed of the game.

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He also he came into media day
reportedly looking stronger, reportedly gained weight,

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reportedly shoulders a little bit bigger,
and the whole nine yeah, the

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whole nine yards, right, the
full pr propaganda campaign. But there were

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times last year where he was like
very clearly winded at the end of games.

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And there were also times last year
where the lack of strength displayed itself

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in his handle. He would just
like lose the ball and you it was

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like, that's weird. But it's
also like two points going the other way

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and you gotta fix that. And
so I do hope that, you know,

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some of the physical strength, some
of the physical changes he made this

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season help in those departments, and
it also like helps him again like draw

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free throws and everything. The other
thing is like if he doesn't make that

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improvement from three, if he if
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thirty four percent from three, it
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able to accomplish as a playmaker.
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screens, wall up around the paint, and he won't get to take advantage

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of one of his like better skills, which is his passing ability. And

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so he really needs to shoot better
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better on self created threes they needed
last season. When you watch him though

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last year, it was like,
okay, if they had someone where he

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could either trade off ball handling responsibilities
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half court, I just expect that
efficiency to climb just watching him, like

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I'm not I don't want to be
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like Kate Cunningham has it in every
single way. To me, do you

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think they have surrounded him with enough
complimentary talent, whether you think that secondary

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ball handling or shooting for him to
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the best situation to make the improvements
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On trade, I would have said
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like I can say like absolutely,
like yes, they added two guys

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who shot in the forty percent range
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boy On, you can like safely
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be on the court with Kaide at
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you are relying on a lot of
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from guys like Sadique Bay who shot
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we're gonna talk about that in the
future, from guys like Jade and Ivey,

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who is I think I think it's
fair to call him an inconsistent but

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not bad shooter right now, from
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think it's fair to call a like
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But so adding another guy who you
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On together, and then all of
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there's no safe place on either one
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hide. And so like yes,
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safely say they added enough three point
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about his improvement and development going into
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who I won't pretend to know a
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really get into rookies until they entered
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general impressions on his game and his
fitnext to Cade early on? And two

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how do we like, do you
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be used? Like, is this
going to be the case nous of Oh,

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Jade and Ivy's gonna have a very
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have like the agency to make mistakes
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think he gets the short leash.
Casey talked a lot about how he gave

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Killian like too much leash to start
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great for him. And so,
prior to the news we got about Alec

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Burksley's still recovering from his injury,
I was I was expecting that Jade and

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Ivy come off the bench to start
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Burke's probably won't be ready for the
season, he like probably won't play much

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in training camp, he won't be
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I think it's safe to say that
like Jade and Ivy will be the starting

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shooting guard like by default, because
the other option is like starting Corey Joseph

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and like, I don't want to
do that again. Like I got a

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lot more love in Kojo for Cojo
in my heart than I used to,

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but like I saw enough of that
last year, Like we don't need it,

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and like now the Kojo player option
was one of my favorite things of

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these the twenty twenty one off season. I think it was whatever was that

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was one of just my favorite,
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option. I'm with it. They
cut him. He had like five million

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dollars worth of dead money on our
books. They resigned him and gave him

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a player option. It's just Troy. We were loves doing favors for dudes

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and like that. That was a
big favor for Kojo. But back to

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Jade and Ivy. I'm gonna get
in trouble. Yeahs aggregator alert, aggregate

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it. This is one of those
things where it's like I am I have

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the unpopular opinion on Piston's in Piston's
Land, Like everybody wants to be really

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really excited about the number five overall. Pick the like flashy guy who like

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has a lot of highlights and does
fun stuff. And he does have a

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lot of highlights, and he does
do fun stuff, and like he would

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be a really nice fit next to
Kade. But the thing that I keep

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coming back to is that the partnership
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than it does for Kade. So
that makes me. That makes me dubious,

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because it's supposed to be all about
Cade, right, Like Ivy's a

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really good compliment to him, the
as like the fire and Ice, right,

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Like Jade wants to play fast,
Kade likes to play at his own

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pace. We saw in Las Vegas
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like Jade Nivey can play at it, Like especially in the Portland game

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that was the first game. In
the first half, he kind of struggled.

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He was like looking to make reads
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the ball like right to a wing
defender like one time and a turnover that

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like I just can't get out of
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he was just like screw it,
Like I'm just gonna go barreling head first

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into the rim at every opportunity and
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They started like setting picks from like
thirty feet away like Yannis, like

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just to give him a runway,
and it was working. And so it's

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like if you can get away from
doing that at the next level, like

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absolutely, you should do that.
And it's fun to watch you do that.

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It's fun to just like watch you
like blow past everybody with like your

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hundred speed on NBA two k The
thing is like Kate doesn't want to play

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that way, and if you have
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and Kad who doesn't, and Kade
is the guy. Like again, they're

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they're complimentary, but my desire was
to get someone who amplified Kaide. They're

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not complimenting him. Right. The
way Jade and Ivy makes Kid's life easier

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is by taking the ball out of
his hands to play at a tempo that

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Kaye can play at. But I
want Kade playing at the tempo he's comfortable

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with, right, Like I want
him playing in the way they're like he

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feels most comfortable playing. I think
Jay Navy is like a really really good

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player. I always get accused of
like hating Jade and Ivy. I've gotten

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it into like it with a lot
of people on social media about like how

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much I hate Jade Nivy And I
don't hate Jade Nivy. I think he's

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a really really good player. But
when you look at like the comparisons people

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made to the type of player they
expected him to be, right, it

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was your Donovan Mitchell's, your Russell
Westbrooks, your Victor Oladipo's, Like those

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guys did their their damage alongside like
the Ricky Rubios and Andre Roberson's of the

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league. And like Kade is not
Ricky Rubio, right, like we like

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we should not limit Kay to being
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that's not that's not prescriptive, right, It's not set in stone. There

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are ways you can do. You
can work around this. Jade and Ivy

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could be a better on ball and
off ball defender than he was in college,

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and that would be like one way
to make this pairing work a little

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bit better. He can be a
more consistent off ball shooter. He made

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shots in summarily, but uh,
like when he threw it up, I

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did not know if it was going
in or not. And I think that

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that is I think teams are going
to force him to shoot and try and

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like wall him out of the paint
because they know he can get to the

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paint. But if they're going to
make him a shooter, so like he

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has to make more shots like that
going forward, and then you can you

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can stagger them, right, Like
that's the other obvious thing, just like

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always have one of them on the
floor, and like when when the guy

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is when each guy is on the
floor by themselves, they can play at

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whatever pace they feel most comfortable at. And that's tough for the defense to

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adjust to. And I understand and
like respect that. And like Jay and

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Ivy also needs to get better between
the arc and the paint, Like he

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has no mid range game to speak
of, and like that is where the

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bulk of his decision making like really
turns into a big question mark. He's

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so used to being able to go
from zero to like eighty that when he

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has to go from like zero like
fifty five and make it a vision still

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kind of doesn't know really what to
do with the ball. And that's that's

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troubling for me. I don't love
that. But like if he does all

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these things too, like you're kind
of taking away from makes some special right,

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like if you if you take the
ball out of his hands, he's

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like not Donovan Mitchell anymore. And
so then you feel like you're not really

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hitting the most, you're not getting
the most out of like what Jade Nivey

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could be right? It was like
I would I would love to be wrong

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about this, but as like I
fear I'm right, but like I would

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just love to, like fast forward
twenty two months and like where the pairing

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didn't quite work out and they turned
Jade Nivey into r J. Barrett.

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Oh god, I would I would
love to turn uh not c A A

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client RJ Barrett into c A A
client Jade nive How does that sound from

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H? I'm not I'm like terrible
of covering the NBA now because I need

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to care more about who's rep by
who and I don't. But if Jay

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Nivy is indeed rep by CIA,
you'll get more more than RJ. Barrett

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for him then, so there's some
good news. You have you thought way

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more about it than I have.
You know way more about Jay and Ivy's

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game than I do. But that
was my overarching concern is that it feels

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like if this pairing was going to
work. It takes more adaptation on Kade's

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part than Jay and Ivy's part,
largely because to me, I don't know

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what Jay and Ivy is if you
take the ball out of his hands right

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now, and I if anything begins
with I understand that, you know,

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the dichotomy can be good. And
as you mentioned, you stagger and I'm

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never gonna if you have two.
I'm never gonna say teams have too much

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creation on their team. But like, if anything begins with both, Ka

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just needs to play off the ball
more. I'm out, Like, I'm

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just like taking the ball outvocate,
cutting hands hands is just not the answer

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to me. It's like the Russell
Westbrook Lebron James stuff. Oh this is

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gonna work because when Lebron doesn't play, or you can move Lebron off the

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ball. And I'm like, if
any solution begins with, well, don't

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put the ball in le Bronze hands, or look how good we'll be without

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Lebron, I don't really want to
hear it. And this is on a

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different level. Jay and Ivy so
so young, and he's already probably better

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off ball shooter than Russell Westbrook but
like I don't, do you have any

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sense of what he could be off
the ball? And I will say,

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I know you mentioned you're concerned about
his decision making when he can get sort

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of going downhill when he got the
early comps to John Morant, I think

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those were white off base. I
will say some of like the passes and

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decisions he has made after leaving his
feet where like I didn't recognize they were

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happening. I see the vision there, but again I don't that doesn't really

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impact like or optimize his fit alongside
Kade at all. No, I get

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you, And it's like all right, it's like not even like Russell Westbrook,

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that's a very loaded topic and like
Kaid's not Lebron either, like Mabe.

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I would love for that to happen, but that's probably not gonna happen,

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So just put this aside for a
second. It's talking about like Luca,

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right, Like Luca I think is
a Luca's also like way better than

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Kade it was at this point in
his career. But I think that's like

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a more achievable outcome in terms of
It's like that's in terms of degrees like

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from Luca to Lebron, but like
also like let's just keep it going.

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Jalen Brunson was like a really good
partner with Luca don chit like last season,

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and a lot of it was because
like Jalen Brunson could do weird stuff

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like post up and like make off
the make off the catch threes, right,

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I don't see how It's like,
I hope Jade and Ivy is able

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to like reach that level as a
catch and shoot player, but like,

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I don't think that's going to be
the way it goes. Like right out

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of the gate, Brunson was undersized
as a defender, but competitive in a

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way that I think you hope Jade
and Ivy emulates. But Jaden is more

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of the guy who a lot of
Jalen's like defensive Jaden's defensive impact came from

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like him operating as like a help
side guy, threatening passing lanes with his

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insane athleticism, rather than like as
an on ball decision maker guy. Right,

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it was like, I I hope
this works, but like I don't

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want to. I like I want
Kaide to be the guy. And if

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Jade and Ivy is also like a
guy, it's like I feel like you're

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not getting the most out of Jade
and Ivy in that scenario. This is

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this is like this is a very
tenuous spot of contention, right because like

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everybody wants to love Jade and Ivy. I also want to love Jade and

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Ivy, but like I also am
trying to be realistic, Like, if

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the Pistons are gonna go anywhere,
it's gonna because it's going to be because

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they were driven there by Kaide,
and so like you've got to make Kaide's

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life easier and taking the ball out
of his hands, like it is not

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necessarily like easier, right, So
for the aggregators, you can till a

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Pistons insider, Thanks, Pistons need
to trade Jade and Ivy for basically,

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yeah, you're welcome. So the
Pistons have been pretty adamant that Isaiah Stewart's

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going to play alongside another big At
media day, I saw he was talking

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about how he watched a lot about
Horford this summer, which at one point

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makes me really excited it and then
a little bit terrified, like is that

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he's like a realistic player for him
to emulate his game? After what do

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you make of that? Do you
think that they're really gonna give him more

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of a license to chuck threes this
year. Who's the front corp partner you

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most want to see him alongside.
I'm just I'm I guess I'm like morbidly

406
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,000
fascinated by the whole like Isaiah Stewart
plan in Detroit. So it's really funny

407
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,839
too, because like if you just
like glance, you're like, oh yeah,

408
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,200
like if he learns to shoot,
like he could totally be Al Horford

409
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,880
undersized like center, power forward guy. And then you like think about how

410
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,599
how Al Horford's like basketball like Q
is and how that plays in like how

411
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:42,319
he operates offensively and defensively. And
I love Stu, but like he hasn't

412
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:48,880
always like shown that level of basketball
field and so like comparing him to Al

413
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Horford is like a little bit much
probably, But he's one hundred percent going

414
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:57,799
to take more threes this year,
right, Like they they really focused and

415
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,000
emphasize that. In Summer League,
he shot I think five of nine from

416
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:06,119
three in two games, and so
it was great to see. He's massive

417
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,640
sample size by the way he's been
able to He's anytime he got the green

418
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,519
light to take threes, like they're
during his rookie year, during like the

419
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,640
last ten games, they were like, sure, man, go crazy,

420
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,799
and he didn't look he didn't look
horribly uncomfortable taking them. Right, they

421
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,480
didn't go in all the time,
but he didn't look uncomfortable doing it.

422
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,880
There was like a ten game stretch
in before the end of the season,

423
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,759
but like kind of in the dog
days last season where they were also like,

424
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:30,839
hey, yes, dude, like
go go take some threes. Man,

425
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,640
go for it. And like he
also again like looked semi comfortable and

426
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:41,240
competent, like doing that in college, he was really good from the mid

427
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,960
range. Is like an eighteen and
end guy on pick and pops, and

428
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,079
like the footwork is largely the same, and so I was just like,

429
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,119
yeah, just do that. The
thing I worry about is that, like

430
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,519
four now, all of his threes
are what tylu would define his butt naked

431
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,960
open threes, because everybody's like sure, yeah, man, like it's like

432
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,480
year six eight and we don't know
if you can shoot or now because you've

433
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,839
taken you know, fewer than one
hundred NBA threes in the NBA, like

434
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,480
go ahead, and like take him. It's like, what will he start

435
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,039
doing when teams are like, oh, like we're actually going to try and

436
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:11,400
contest this three, right, Like, is he gonna be able to attack

437
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:18,319
closeouts? Like as maybe maybe I
hope so, but maybe it's like if

438
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,920
you play him on the floor with
another big like Danny LaRue always talks about

439
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,480
like two dribbles in a good decision, Right, It's like, is he

440
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,720
gonna like be able to do like
the Al Horford thing where he like he

441
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,000
takes two dribbles and like whips into
the corner, Like, uh, maybe

442
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:38,319
you're gonna be able to play like
highlo with him with him and inserts other

443
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,079
center here. I think in time
they would like it to be jayalen Dern

444
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,240
because like I would also like to
see that pairing just to discover if it

445
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:51,400
could work or not. But like
that's going to require a lot more processing

446
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,920
power on offense than we've ever been
able to see from Isaiah Stewart. So

447
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,759
they'll they'll definitely try it. I
don't know if it's going to work or

448
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,119
not, but at the absolute least, he's gonna shoot like more threes than

449
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,119
he's ever shot in his NBA career
this season. It's like, at worst,

450
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,319
you know it doesn't work, and
he's a perfect sixteen game backup center.

451
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,279
You can just like switch everything and
downsize and you don't lose anything on

452
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,079
the glass, and he's able to
like stretch people out. You can play

453
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,680
five out with him and like he'll
he'll be effective in a way that I

454
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,880
think would make him valuable for a
playoff setting. So it's just like,

455
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,200
yeah, it's like even if this
doesn't work, he's still fine. So

456
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,079
it's like I get, you know, the experimentation during the season. It's

457
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,880
kind of pretty pivotal though, that
he does develop a three point shot or

458
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,039
at least have the volume to like
make teams make different decisions on defense,

459
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,640
because when you look at the other
bigs that he's gonna be playing with in

460
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,359
the front court, like you're not
getting that from during You're not getting that

461
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,079
from the well, probably not getting
that from Marvin Bagley. It was more

462
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:53,960
of a floor game. But he's
not spacing the floor in the conventional sense.

463
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:56,640
Oh no, oh, no,
Dan, you missed you missed earlier,

464
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,759
Coach Casey is saying, and they're
like, no, stew and Bagley,

465
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,839
those are going to be our stretched
biggs this season. I just put

466
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,440
my hands in my head on that
one. If this was towards the end

467
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,559
of Marvin Bagley's rookie season, I'd
probably be buying into that stock. But

468
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,319
since we're, you know, another
three and a half years down the line.

469
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,119
I mean, look, he had
a good clot, very good close

470
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,359
to the year with Detroit, so
I don't want to belittle what he did.

471
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,359
I really did not involve shooting threes. No, it did not,

472
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,680
So that is the other thing to
consider. I love Stu though, just

473
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,799
defensively for this team, because he
is like a very just like shot changer.

474
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,519
He's one of the guys where some
of my favorite stats aside are like

475
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:34,400
when you have a player where opposing
teams are taking a lot less shots at

476
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
the rim and then shooting worse on
those looks when the players on the court,

477
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,799
he is one of those players.
And then if you go back and

478
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,839
watch like defense or offenses, excuse
me, seemed to feel him or like

479
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,119
second guests because he's around his activity
and so I think he's super important,

480
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,519
But you look at the other bigs
around him, it's like if he doesn't

481
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,640
develop into at least like someone who's
shooting real volume and getting up to thirty

482
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,640
three percent or whatever on threes.
There's a probably a lot of questions and

483
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,640
how they're going to build out their
front court rotation. Yeah, and tactically

484
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,559
right like they were. They were
leveraging his ability to switch a lot last

485
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,079
season after playing him and drop a
lot his rookie season, and he proved

486
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,799
himself like able to defense switches like
pretty well, there was a there's was

487
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,079
really noticeable. There's a game against
Dallas where he like hung with Luca on

488
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:21,680
a couple of switches in a row, and everybody's like, oh, like

489
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:26,839
that, m that's pretty interesting.
But if he's going to be like an

490
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,240
NBA four, is like, okay, well, is he going to be

491
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,839
able to impact the defensive glass from
the from the what's essentially like a wing

492
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,960
position now? And uh like,
is he going to be able to uh

493
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,400
like attack a close out defensively and
like chop his feet and like get back

494
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,839
we'll we'll, we'll teams still be
able to fill feel him if he's out

495
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,440
on the perimeter all the time playing
next to another big who's presumably like parked

496
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,119
in the paint. So it's you
know, Irvin Bagley to get out there,

497
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,240
and so when it's like I have
this number burned in my head because

498
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,680
like it was so bad when Bagley
and Stewart were on the floor together.

499
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,599
I think their defensive rating was like
one eighteen, which is bad. That's

500
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:15,079
very, very bad. And we
know Stewart is a good defender, so

501
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,480
we know who we can attribute that
too. But at the same time,

502
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,799
as like he like he was on
the floor and that happened, so it's

503
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,079
like he's got to take some of
the blame for that. But yeah,

504
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,319
I hope to put stew in positions
where he feels comfortable so that he can

505
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:35,400
be successful as opposed to just like
trying to fit him as a square peg

506
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:40,440
in a round hole, because your
only other like four option is like Boyanovitch,

507
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,359
right, who you just acquired.
Right to your point, I looked

508
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,039
at this up because that was exceedingly
high. But one twenty one point two

509
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,839
defensive rating with Beef, stew and
Bagley on the floor por cleaning the glass,

510
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,480
so there's no garbage time in there. So one eighteen maybe by NBA

511
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,200
dot com. That is high.
That is very high. Also probably not

512
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,559
that surprising when you're really big about
it, don't get me started on Marvin

513
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:07,880
Bagley. I am a blank slate
when it comes to Joyn Duran. So

514
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,079
what are your I know, like
the I know the skeleton of his game,

515
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,920
but like, what are your early
impressions of what he does for this

516
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,519
team and do you have any overarching
concerns about how he fits in? Okay?

517
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,359
So, Jayalen Durn' is obviously like
the other rookie. I gave the

518
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,559
big speech about Jade and Ivy about
how he doesn't how he compliments Kade and

519
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:30,000
he doesn't amplify Kaide like no theoretical
Jaden Duran. He amplifies Kade right,

520
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:35,319
Like that's a two man game that
we have like classically seen have success in

521
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,359
the NBA level. Jade Shade,
Jayalen durn In an action with Kade just

522
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,839
like running down the lane, threatening
and tear the rim off the backboard,

523
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Like that is the thing defenses care
about in a way that like they don't

524
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,640
care about. For Isaiah Stewart,
I love me as I'm Jalen during I'm

525
00:33:52,680 --> 00:34:00,200
way more excited about Jayalen during the
Jade Ivy concerns. He's eighteen and he's

526
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,559
got the usual concerns for an eighteen
year old, you know, the little

527
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:07,480
stuff like doesn't know how to play
NBA defense yet it's like doesn't do little

528
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:13,719
things like boxing out because he's so
used to just using his insane athleticism against

529
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,679
high school kids to grab every rebound. So he's not technically proficient, right

530
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:23,519
is will is athleticism look as insane
as it did in like the Atlantic Conference

531
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,079
next to other NBA players, Like
probably not, but like he's still very

532
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,000
clearly an upper tier NBA athlete.
And it's like he's also eighteen, so

533
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:36,119
he'll probably foul everything in sight for
the first eighteen months of his career.

534
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,559
And it was just like okay,
Like that's the usual stuff, right,

535
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:43,159
like if you have an eighteen year
old big man. The other thing that

536
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,840
makes people fearful is that in recent
memory, the Pistons have turned a very

537
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,280
young, very athletic, very promising
big man into a really big disappointment.

538
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,280
And Jalen durn did come in and
choose that big man's number, which made

539
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,719
my stomach like turn a little bit
the first this time I saw that I

540
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,320
wanted to like throw my body in
front of that one, like you you

541
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,280
can't give him Andrea's old number.
But the thing that makes me feel a

542
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,239
lot better about this is that like
Jalen Duran has Kay cunning him, and

543
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Andre Drummond never had Kate cunning him, right, and so like the hierarchy

544
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:20,159
coming in is already very clearly established, like whose team it is with Andrea,

545
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:23,960
it was always a weird question because
he was the most talented player,

546
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,519
but probably not a guy who like
you should have had be your quote unquote

547
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:31,400
best player. Who do you want
to see him play with most in the

548
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,960
front court? And also how much
do you expect him to play early on

549
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,320
for this team. I expect him
to not play at all until like December

550
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,719
January, even with like the Noel
injury and stuff. You don't do that.

551
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,159
Yeah, I think I think they'll
leverage some smaller lineups we're gonna talk

552
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,679
about like Isaiah Livers in a second. They got away with like playing Livers

553
00:35:53,679 --> 00:36:00,679
at the four off in bench lineups
last year. I think that I think

554
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,599
he won't play that much just because
like again, the first time he sees

555
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,039
run and he has two foulsan and
thirty seconds and Dwayne's just gonna be like

556
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:09,599
all right, Like I can't play
this kid at all until he learns,

557
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,800
and he won't learn until like he
practices for a good you know, six

558
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,800
to eight weeks at the NBA level, so I think. But as the

559
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,440
season goes on, right like as
we get to the end of the year

560
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,920
where the game's only matter for draft
position, like, you will absolutely see

561
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,920
a lot of Jalen durn And you'll
see I think you'll see him in a

562
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:34,719
lot of variety of different ways.
I think he'll always be like the nominal

563
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,679
center. But you will see him
like next to Stewart, You'll see him

564
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,440
next to Bagley, You'll see him
next to Livers at the four, You'll

565
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,559
see him next to like Boyan at
the four or sadiqu at the four.

566
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,119
But at the same time, like
he's he's got a ways to go,

567
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,519
but what he is right now is
so tantalizing that you'd like have to let

568
00:36:54,599 --> 00:37:00,599
him play it out, moving right
along. But this became a top conversation

569
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,639
this podcast towards the end of last
year of what was the better long term

570
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:07,679
weapon for the Pistons Killian Hayes is
like in between efficiency and finishing at the

571
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,519
rim towards the end of last year
or Sadique Bays like turnaround jumper explorations that

572
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,639
we're going down at one point,
for Killian Hayes specifically, where are you

573
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:21,360
at with his trajectory now? Especially
based off his comments at Media Day which

574
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,599
make it seem like he has higher
aspirations than the Pistons do for him and

575
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,239
is his I mean I think the
answers yet, but like does the arrival

576
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,480
of Jade and Ivy sort of complicate
like where they go with Killian Hayes at

577
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,840
all? Yes, absolutely, I
still believe in Killian as an NBA player

578
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,400
and as a like contributing factor to
the Pistons like when they're going to be

579
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,320
good. But he also has to
play better, right, Like he has

580
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,119
to play with more aggression, He
has to play with more assertiveness, and

581
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,960
he also like has to do the
thing where like the ball goes through the

582
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,119
rim more often like that that would
probably be good. He said all the

583
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,360
right things in Media Day. He
said the word aggression like twice in like

584
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000
five minutes, which is more than
than usual for him. He talked about

585
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:07,239
revamping his jumper work, working with
like multiple shooting coaches and so we're we're

586
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,320
gonna see I am glad that Killian
has higher aspirations for himself than just like

587
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,039
third guard sixth man, which is
what you can like very easily like pencil

588
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,079
his role into this team with but
at the same time, like he has

589
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,920
to prove it, like does he
have the drive and ability to supplant Jade

590
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,760
Nivey as like the pencil n starter. Does he had invented him to coerce

591
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Casey to play well enough? Or
does he have it in him to play

592
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,039
well enough to coerce Casey into playing
like all three of those guys at the

593
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,280
same time, which is something that
like you you don't have to push Dwayne

594
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Casey hard to put multiple point guards
on the floor at the same time,

595
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,760
but like if but like Killian has
to play well in order to make that

596
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,519
happen. It's it's really interesting to
me how often everyone like on and around

597
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,920
the team is like, oh,
yeah, Killian's clearly the best pass around

598
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
the team. Okay, like he's
better than Kaide at passing. But in

599
00:38:57,039 --> 00:39:00,400
today's NBA, you you shoot to
set up the pass, you don't pass

600
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,679
the set up the shot, and
Killian like doesn't shoot enough. He just

601
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,760
like hasn't been aggressive enough and so
he hasn't his ability to play make despite

602
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,880
like the other nine guys on the
floor, knowing that like he wants what

603
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,840
he wants to do is pass the
ball. Is impressive if it wasn't like

604
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000
already like making life so difficult for
him. So he just needs to He

605
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,639
needs to look to score more.
He needs to keep driving to the rim.

606
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,519
He needs to attack the rim with
a little more diversity. Right,

607
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,079
he's got like he's got like two
moves. He's got like an off foot

608
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,639
goofy left hand scoot finish, and
he's got like a lefty like floater.

609
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,280
It's like he needs to be able
to snake, to go back right,

610
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,000
to go left. He has really
nice like right to left crossover if he

611
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,440
gets you like going right, but
everyone sits on his left hand, so

612
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,960
you know you see fewer and fewer
people fall for it. So he needs

613
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,800
a better like bag around the rim. I would be I'd be hopeful that

614
00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,880
he can incorporate some speed finishes and
some off hand stuff this season. I

615
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,199
mean, he also just needs to
shoot better. If he shoots better from

616
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:07,199
the perimeter, like his defense will
enable him to play as a compliment next

617
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,079
to Kade and like then you're fine
right for what it's worth. Chart topping

618
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,960
podcaster and popular NBA analyst Nikaias Duncan, who I knew before he got big

619
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,800
shout out to Nikaias he agrees with
me on Killian's potential fit next to Kade,

620
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,760
and he's a smart dude, So
I feel like a smart dude when

621
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,280
I agree with him. And so
does this mean I think Nikaias was on

622
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
the who definitely will not be listening
to this so he won't do that guy

623
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:37,039
out. But well, are you
like higher? I don't know wanted Killian

624
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:38,960
hates to start for Detroit? Is
that where you are? And are you

625
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,760
kind of it sounds like you might
be higher or less concerned about his fit

626
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,159
moving forward with kay than Jane and
Ivy exactly right, I think I think

627
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,320
the fit for Killian and Kade is
a lot cleaner simply because, like,

628
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,400
Killian does a lot of the same
things that Kaye does, but it is

629
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,079
also like able to take on defensive
matchups in a way that like, I

630
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:07,320
don't trust Jade and Ivy two right
now, and like if they prove themselves

631
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,360
to be like roughly equivalent as shooters, which is not the case right now.

632
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,920
Jade and Ivy's probably a better shooter
than what we've seen from killing Hay

633
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,679
so far, like makes him a
better again like amplifier of what Kade wants

634
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960
to do. But until like until
we see it happen, Like we don't

635
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,719
know for certain. This is all
theoretical, but I like, he's twenty

636
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,199
one. It's way too early for
me to write off his ability to be

637
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,719
a you know, to be a
starting level guard, to be a contributor

638
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,239
to this team, like when they
want to be good. I think about

639
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,719
like, like you you had oh, I forget his name, but the

640
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,199
Orlando Sentinel guy on to talk about
Kobe Price, okay to talk about the

641
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,199
Magic and you talked about Jalen Suggs's
struggle right like he he broke his thumb,

642
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,679
he had like an ankle thing.
He shot terribly, but everyone's still

643
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,360
kind of like positive about his ability
to turn things around because of like what

644
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,039
they've seen from him. It's like
you go look at Suggs's and Killian's numbers

645
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:07,920
and they're not that different. And
Killian was also dealing with a strong hand

646
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,440
thumb injury like throughout the season,
and so I was like, if you

647
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,320
if you think Jalen Suggs can turn
it around, there's no real reason to

648
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:21,880
think Killian Hayes like can't turn it
around as well. Look, and he

649
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,239
convinced me closing the season too,
like he shot forty six plus percent on

650
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,519
his floaters after the All Star break. He was like on just driving sort

651
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:34,280
of layups or finishes, like his
efficiency skyrocketed there. So I'm optimistic with

652
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,199
him as well. I am just
I guess I'm surprised that you and then

653
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,599
also the kais like as high on
his fit next decade is as you are.

654
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,440
But this is also like I said, I'm like you and have not

655
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,360
dug as deeply into it obviously,
but like concerned about jay n ives Fitt

656
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,920
next decade, and so Killian Hayes
just having more experience and sort of knowing

657
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,400
at least when looking at last season
towards the end of it, what he

658
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,519
can be. I guess it does
make sense, but I guess I probably

659
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:00,719
trust more Jade and I mean to
knock down and this is too basic,

660
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,360
but a spot up three to dot
the arc like behind kick dunning it more

661
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,480
than I wouldn't Billy and Hayes at
this point. Now, that's that's totally

662
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,199
fair, and like I I think
that's like that's probably going to be the

663
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,719
case right away, but that's not
factoring in improvement. I still think it's

664
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,239
possible with Killian Hayes. Oh yeah, and he's just been a very underrated

665
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,719
defender like for his career so far, which as well, here's a big

666
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,199
part of their switching scheme. He's
really willing to take on and defend larger

667
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,800
guys. There was there was one
play where like he got called for the

668
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,320
foul but he like almost cleanly blocked
in bead like on a switch. It

669
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,199
was just like that was a big
time like whoa moment. And so you

670
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,559
you get those occasional like whoe moments
from Killian. They're just interspersed in between

671
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,639
a lot of really ugly misses from
from the mid range. I will also

672
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,119
say, I know if he's listed
at six five, I just double checked

673
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,679
that as you were talking, but
he plays like he might be six seven.

674
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,559
Like most NBA players feel like their
height might be inflated. I'm like,

675
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,119
I'd like to get another measurement on
him, feel like he might beat

676
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:07,639
six six or maybe a little bit
bigger than that, just based off how

677
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:13,679
he plays defensively. Anyway, I've
caught a lot of shit for everything I've

678
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,039
said about Marvin Bagley this offseason,
which is I guess it's hypocritical because I

679
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,440
talked about and I did. I
think I wrote about a little bit how

680
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:24,719
good he was offensively once he went
to the Pistons. Then I'm like,

681
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,920
well, why did they give him
thirty seven million guarantee with a player option.

682
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,199
And this is also coming from someone
who has been like, we need

683
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:32,840
to look at these deals in the
context of the new cap climate. I

684
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,679
think it's an innocuous contract. I
guess I just don't see the vision for

685
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,039
Marvin Bagley with this team long term. Do you care to enlighten me at

686
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,639
all? I just like Marvin Bagley's
fit and how he's going to be using

687
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,039
the larger context of a front court
rotation. I did not see the comment

688
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,239
about how Marvin Bagley is going to
be one of their stretch bigs. I

689
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,400
will say that makes me probably more
alarmed than I was when we started this

690
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,320
podcast if that's how they play it
on using him. But I'm just to

691
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,360
see where you land on that.
I am also alarmed about what the Pistons

692
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,760
saw and Marvin Bagley. My my
big hope is that, like, Okay,

693
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:14,400
what what you saw from Marvin Bagley's
explosion offensively like after the trade was

694
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,800
the fact that the Pistons like literally
did not have a player on the roster

695
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,239
who could jump in the air like
Marvin Bagley could, right, Like that

696
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,400
that was kind of beneficial for the
other guards on the roster to have a

697
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,199
lob threat, and so like,
yes, Bagley was extremely useful. I

698
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,159
think he shot like sixty percent from
two and his time as a Piston,

699
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,360
which is like again like really efficient. It was really good around the rim.

700
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,719
It's like when when he did the
stuff he was good at, he

701
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,599
was great. It's just like what
he's good at is not particularly valuable,

702
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:51,360
and it's also like easily replicable,
right, My my big hope is that,

703
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,440
like Jalen Duran makes Bagley entirely duplicative
in like a year and a half,

704
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,320
but in the way that I envisioned, like Isaiah Stewart is like a

705
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:06,679
perfect sixteen game backup center or perfect
playoff backup center. I imagine Bagley's like

706
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,400
a really great eighty two game backup
center. Just come in, get these

707
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,840
lobs, get these easy buckets off
the bench. Give Kada lob threat,

708
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,280
give killing a lob threat, trail
jad nivy in transition, and just like

709
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,440
playoff of him and like who cares
about defense? Like it's just the bench

710
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,119
lineup for a bad team, Like
who cares? But like by the time

711
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:28,480
you want to be good, by
the time you want to start like making

712
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:32,639
noise in the play in or the
playoffs. Bagley is expressly the type of

713
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,199
player who gets played off the floor
very quickly in a playoff setting, And

714
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:44,000
so I was disappointed that we didn't
see like a partial guarantee or a team

715
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:46,800
option like on that final year.
I think like with the cap climate,

716
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,199
with the upcoming expected you know,
cap spike, that they'll smooth out over

717
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,960
a couple of years. I do
think that like twelve and a half million

718
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,599
is not going to be completely untradable, especially if he continues to just like

719
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,079
average fifteen points a game off the
bench, like somebody will be like,

720
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,719
oh yeah, like we could totally
use that. But at the same time,

721
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,320
like to just like have a guy
that you know can't play when the

722
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,360
games are at a high level,
like when when you start to play on

723
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,840
playoff settings. It's like that was
just pretty frustrating for me. It's just

724
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,719
like, well, but they need
the skill set until they get to that

725
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,440
level, So I get it.
But yeah, I'm I am not super

726
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,519
high on what Marvin Bagley is going
to bring to this team in the long

727
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:34,599
term before now. He's fine.
He's fine as a floor runner next to

728
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,039
Ivy, and then like as someone
who I think a lot of the aesthetics

729
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,239
of like his turnaround and his hook
shot like are better than obviously the efficiency

730
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,840
on those. And then just as
an alley finisher, like I think all

731
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,679
that stuff can be valuable like in
those units with Ivy too, like second

732
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,280
unit heavy combinations. But I'm probably
maybe I'm latching onto what you said about

733
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,199
the floor spacing too much. He
shot under twenty four percent on jump shots

734
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,840
with Detroit last season, Like I've
yet to see the evidence aside from that

735
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,320
very small subset of his rookie season
where he shot the lights out on catching

736
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,119
shoot twos. By the way,
it wasn't even like three pointers, it

737
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,159
was catching shoot twos. So I
have something else to file with the Pistons

738
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:15,599
because I'm I'm just again, I
think he's I'm with you, I think

739
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,239
he's fine. I'm just I guess
I'm more curious about what this team envisions

740
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,320
for him because he should not have
the I don't even want to say the

741
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,159
type of freedom, but like,
I just like they shouldn't need him or

742
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,679
want to need him as much as
they were using him towards the end of

743
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,519
last year. No, that's totally
fair. And it was so striking too,

744
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,000
Like we were like watching film with
him in Sacramento. Right, A

745
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,800
lot of the time he's just like
parked in the corner, and it's just

746
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,440
like, okay, Like if if
he gets the ball in the corner,

747
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,599
what is he going to do with
it. It's like he's gonna dribble into

748
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,559
a left hand post up and try
and finish from the basket, or he's

749
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,039
gonna take a corner three, which
is like not a good shot, and

750
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:55,159
freeing him from that role and making
him a more effective player, only to

751
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,679
a year later be like, oh, yeah, we want to play you

752
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,320
next to Jayalen dr and oh yeah, we want to play you next Isaiah

753
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,480
Stewart. Oh yeah, we want
to play you next to Neurali's Noel,

754
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,519
so go stand in the corner again, Like that doesn't make any sense,

755
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:12,760
but it's just like that that apparently
is what's gonna happen, Like yeah,

756
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,239
yeah, yeah, I'm going to
spare the listeners the long preamble to this

757
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,320
question that I gave you, but
I will preface by saying, Sadiq bay

758
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:27,679
is my favorite drug on the Detroit
Pistons. But what is who is Sadiq

759
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,440
bay I just I feel also like
there's and the only preamble actually gave it.

760
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,960
I does feel like there's a discrepancy
between what he actually is and what

761
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,519
he's vie nationally because when people call
him like this three and D guy,

762
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:42,320
I'm like, well, if you
kind of like take away the defense a

763
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,280
little bit and then also recognize that
he does way more than just shoot threes

764
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,280
on offense, and so yeah,
he doesn't really fit that bill at all.

765
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,840
So who the hell is Sadiq bay? Side is like a little overstretched

766
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:59,559
currently, a little overrated. Currently
he's streakier than you think, right,

767
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:04,320
Like I was looking at this and
there was I think for like a six

768
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,360
week period at the beginning of the
season, you couldn't throw the ball in

769
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,719
the ocean and so like this maybe
isn't fair to him. But last year

770
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,639
he had twenty five games. That's
a lot of games with one or fewer

771
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,239
made threes, right for for a
guy who a lot of his value comes

772
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,519
from his ability to be a floor
spacing threat. To have you know,

773
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,679
a quarter of the season essentially where
you only made one or few or threes

774
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,239
a night, like that's not great. On the other hand, he had

775
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960
ten games where he made five or
more threes. That's a lot. That's

776
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:36,000
a lot. And that includes and
that that includes the fifty one point night

777
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,599
where he made ten threes, right
like he was just running off screens,

778
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,079
just like dribbling into people's faces,
like busting poor Franz Walker's ass, like

779
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,800
the entire night. But like and
and so, like you you would like

780
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:52,280
to see more consistency from deep from
Sadiq before you got really into like the

781
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,800
nitty gritty of like what you can
expect him to be as a player.

782
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:59,920
The other thing I'll say is that
like he's a dog, that dude were

783
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,280
his butt off. He spent like
the entire summer in Colorado at elevation like

784
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,039
working out to better prepare himself for
the rigors of an NBA season. He

785
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,639
had one of my favorite moments of
last season where he made like a huge

786
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:19,280
three to send to help send the
game to overtime against Charlotte, a team

787
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,880
that like strangely had the Pistons number, we like hadn't beaten them in four

788
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,480
years and it's like the weirdest streak
in team history. And he was like

789
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:30,239
shit talking one dude in the crowd
specifically, it was great. I think

790
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:35,840
about that shot all the time.
Yeah, He's just he would benefit from

791
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,280
like a slightly reduced offensive role and
so, like you think the development of

792
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:45,559
Jaalen Dur and Slash Jade and n
Ivey into the secondary guy behind Kig can

793
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:51,039
make that more of a reality.
Like in your in your write up in

794
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,400
your spiel that you like didn't deliver, you put you said a possession by

795
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480
a possession agency, and I really
liked that, right, Like, you

796
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
know, sometimes he is to be
really effective and have a lot of agency

797
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,360
for this team, and sometimes he's
just gonna be like, hey, Sdi,

798
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,559
go sit in the corner and like
be a huge threat for this k

799
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:07,880
pick and roll that's happening on the
other side of the floor. Like that's

800
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,559
fine. That's fine. It's like
my dream line up for the Pistons in

801
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,800
the future is kade Jalen durn and
three clones of mkhale Bridges. I was

802
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,880
hoping you would say this on the
podcast. I saw that and you're right

803
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,400
up, and that was fantastic.
It was like, so you would love

804
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:28,159
Sadiq to be like a little bit
better defensively like Bridges is, and a

805
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,199
little bit better from catch and shoot, a little bit more reliable from catch

806
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,400
and shoot like bridges is. But
like the things he can bring that McHale

807
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,920
kind of doesn't that ability to self
create, that ability to to get to

808
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,480
the paint, to get to the
rim, to use his strength to like

809
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,039
create space to take like these these
mid range jumpers that are like very Chris

810
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,199
Middleton esque. Like you, you
also want to give him the license to

811
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,639
do that just because he's like maybe
he can, right, And if he

812
00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:00,559
can, like that's that's an amazing
addition to have any work so hard that

813
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,079
I don't want to bet against the
possibility of him doing that, right,

814
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,079
It's like I don't want to bet
against Eak in any possible way again,

815
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:14,199
like he's just a dog, Like
I hate betting against him, So to

816
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,239
call him like overstretched and overrated like
makes me feel bad, but it is

817
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,400
kind of true about the perception around
what he offers right now? Is there

818
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,320
there's like a mental tug of war
here for me? Where is it?

819
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,000
It's probably gonna be harder for them
to plumb the depths of his offense now

820
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,079
with Ivy and killing and Hayes and
Kid cutting him. Right, But then

821
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,960
could there all still be a benefit
to I don't want to use the word

822
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,360
pigeonholing, but maybe restricting parts of
his offensive game and so like her is

823
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,360
there, like does it help or
I don't want to say hurt. Does

824
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,440
it help or complicate his development at
all? Now that you have Ivy,

825
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,599
Hayes and Kid cutting him on this
team? I think I think it helps.

826
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,599
I think it's something that it's like
okay, it's like he tries it

827
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,599
early in the game because like it
doesn't work. It's like okay, we

828
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,440
like we can go to other stuff. He tries it early in the game,

829
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,800
it works, It's like okay,
we can go to this, as

830
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,800
opposed to like last season where it's
like okay, uh, it's like we

831
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,960
have to keep trying this because there's
nobody else on the floor who can really

832
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:15,039
get their own and we want to
see what we got and so yeah,

833
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:17,559
I think it helps him more than
it hurts him. The other thing is

834
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,079
like we haven't talked about Boyon in
a while, but I assume like that

835
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,960
will be. You're starting like three
four Sadique Bay and Boyan and that's a

836
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,800
like really interesting crafty old man stretched
the floor, herky jerky game that I

837
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,559
think Sadique could learn from him,
And I think that's a so like that.

838
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:40,599
I also appreciate like the development potential
that Sadiq like gets from being able

839
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:44,880
to watch boy On attacks the rim
and like get the shots he gets in

840
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,079
the way that he does. Like
if this were two K He's like okay,

841
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:51,199
like Boyan like mentor Sadiq like get
some of his badges and like we

842
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,559
can we can go from there.
It's at this point where you could tell

843
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:55,840
I have too many questions about the
Pistons because I have to forget a way

844
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,679
to lump certain players together. And
I'll even lump Habituti Jallo into here.

845
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,760
He's like someone that I just like, oh this, this guy's still on

846
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,079
this team. But looking at Howmnudi
Allo, Alec Burks, knowledge, Noel

847
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,760
and Corey Joseph. Who is most
important to this team this season? Who

848
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,840
do you expect to make the biggest
impact among those those guys. I hope

849
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,320
it's Alec Burks as another like floor
spacer, like pressure valve for the young

850
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,440
guards, guy who can get his
own bucket. It's like, I hope

851
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:27,119
Burks plays a large role for the
team. His injury are like the recovery

852
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,880
from his injury, like coming into
training camp was a little disappointing for me.

853
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,880
I was expecting I was expecting him
to start out of the gate,

854
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,400
partially because like he offers floor spacing
next to Kade, and partially be because

855
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,320
they probably didn't want to overtax Jade, and I'd be like coming out of

856
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,199
the gate. But Dwyne Casey has
just like this huge soft spot in his

857
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,880
heart for Corey Joseph, and so
like, Corey Joseph's gonna play like four

858
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,280
hundred and fifty minutes this season.
And I'm not gonna know how any of

859
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:58,239
it happened, but he was so
weirdly effective for them last season. He

860
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,480
was at times he was the best
floor spacer they could play next to Kade

861
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:07,320
that it's like you you you,
It's like, it's not terrible if he's

862
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,719
on the floor, but like man
he was, Like I wish Keilly and

863
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,039
Hayes was playing Instea or like man, I wish Jade and Ivy was on

864
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:16,039
the floor instead, or something like
that. New Lens is New Orleans is

865
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:22,400
interesting between the foot injury and how
much they love Jalen Duran. I don't

866
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,360
think we see much Nerlands this year
unless somebody else, another big gets hurt.

867
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,440
I joked that, like ner Lens, main goal is to just like

868
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,360
be like Jalen Duran's Looper is just
like dragging around be like I was like

869
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,840
you once. Don't be like me. It's like, do you see what

870
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,760
happened? It's like, don't fire
your agent right before restricted free agency.

871
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,880
It's like, don't do that.
My other question on that's rotation too,

872
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,360
is I campaign for Iday Livers to
start before the boy on Madonna's trip,

873
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,159
Bogdanovit trade. Where does he fit
into this? Like on nights where Casey

874
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,599
isn't emptying the bench, Let's say, do you expect him to play all?

875
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:02,039
I hope so, I hope so
he was so good last year as

876
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,559
just a guy who came in and
papered over the cracks as a spartan.

877
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,840
It pained me how useful Livers was. Like as soon as he was healthy

878
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,880
enough to play, he made threes. He communicated, He communicates really well

879
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,280
on defense, which is like a
credit to the Michigan coaching staff. It

880
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,519
seems like all their guys like communicated
really well on defense, and like you

881
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,800
just made some more threes after that, and it's like every team could use

882
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,599
a guy like Isaiah Livers, and
so I do hope that they find a

883
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:32,880
way to carve out spots for him
to play. Like we talked so much

884
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,000
about the potential of like two big
lineups for this team, because like,

885
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,039
now that you have boyon and now
that you have Livers, you can just

886
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:42,360
play those guys at the four,
and like I don't have to worry about

887
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,880
that as much hopefully maybe. Uh. And then we've talked about so many

888
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,880
players on this team, and the
Pistons did make a trade for Bodanovitch,

889
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:53,679
which is you wouldn't call it win
now, but it was a trade for

890
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,679
someone who helps him immediately. Should
they still be viewed as like just because

891
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,480
they're going to be a team that
is I guess is not in a mix

892
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,920
If it, maybe they stumble into
the mixer playing spot. But if they're

893
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,039
not, they have veterans in no
well In Berks, in Bagdanovitch will be

894
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:12,159
sought after the deadline. Do we
still view this team as like playing catering

895
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,559
to the big pictures such that they
will still be sellers, are willing to

896
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:20,800
make moves where they're divesting talent in
the middle of the season. I think

897
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:27,119
they sell, but I don't know
if they're sellers selling like being sellers implies

898
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,760
a level of like bottoming out after
the trade deadline that I think goes against

899
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,440
like what we talked about at the
very beginning of the show, like getting

900
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,519
complimentary vets to help facilitate the development
of the young guys. So like maybe

901
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:45,679
they sell like one of a Boyon
or a Burk's or a Nerleans, but

902
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,760
like all three of those guys,
like I would say, like two of

903
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,360
them probably like make it all the
way through the year. It's it's really

904
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,199
important to have guys like Burks and
Boyon like on the floor to see if

905
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,800
Kaden, Ivy and Killian are making
the developmental strides you want to see them

906
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,360
make throughout the entirety of the season. If you trade away those guys,

907
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,880
you know, and there's not as
much spacing, it's harder to tell if

908
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:14,360
they're developing the way you want them
to. What does the ten man rotation

909
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,920
top ten man rotation look like for
this team? And when I went through

910
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,480
it and did it, I would
feel confident in naming they have X amount

911
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,519
of locks to be within the ten. But when I was trying to fill

912
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,800
out the starting lineup, I was
like, I'd feel comfortable guaranteeing you that

913
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:31,320
kid Cunningham starts and then I'm done. So I think I think Kade starts.

914
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:34,519
I think you go to start the
year, I think you go,

915
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:39,719
Kade Ivy beat a Sadiq Boyon Stewart
right, So that one big two wings

916
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,639
Sadiq, Bay and Boyan and like
Jade and Ivy starting the season and then

917
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:53,960
after that it's like Killian, Alec
Burke's maybe Hommy maybe not Hommy Bagley and

918
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:59,519
like Livers right. I think that
is like generally what your ten man rotation

919
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,199
is going to be. And so
that's that's one big lineups, right.

920
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,639
That's and you notice I did not
mention Jalen during at all because I don't

921
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,559
expect we'll see him again intil like
December January. And so those those are

922
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:14,400
both one big lineups and a lot
of guards on the floor at the same

923
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,440
time, which is what I think
Dwane Casey wants to do. Uh.

924
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:22,400
But like who starts is going to
change as the season goes along, simply

925
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,400
because like they'll want to give more
leash to the young guys that prove themselves

926
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,280
and you'll get like, you know, maybe a boy on trade or like

927
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,039
maybe Alec Burkes, like you know, isn't ready to start the season and

928
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:37,239
stuff like that, and so like
maybe Cojoe and there's the bench lineups in

929
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,800
a way that he can like help
facilitate Killians development. And so like there's

930
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,320
no like guaranteed locked in top ten, which is probably why you had such

931
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,280
a hard time figuring out what the
guaranteed locked in top ten was going to

932
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:52,559
be. Uh yeah, I would
say, so, so you're the coach,

933
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,039
you're doing crunch time. This can
be matchup dependent, I think,

934
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:59,719
especially for this team, But what
would be your go to clutch unit.

935
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,320
There's four guys I feel have to
be in that unit, and that's Kade,

936
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,840
Sadike Boyon, and Isaiah Stewart.
Whichever guard you feel like has it

937
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,719
going that night slash, Like,
whatever guard you feel like gives you the

938
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:17,320
best of what you need for that
particular like game scenario. Whether that's like

939
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,960
Killian for defense, whether that's like
Jade and Ivy for the ability to like

940
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,960
get to the rim and cause some
havoc, whether it's Burks for like shooting's

941
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:30,360
like that's that's the like triumphant around
like what you put in that Crunch Time

942
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,079
lineup. But like, yeah,
Cade, Sadiq, Boyon, Isaiah Stewart,

943
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:36,519
Like that's your car, that's the
core of your Crunch Time lineup.

944
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,760
What is Is there a weirdo bonk
ors quirky lineup that you want Dwayne Casey

945
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,719
to try this season? I think
like Durn Stewart is like sufficiently unconventional for

946
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,639
our purposes. I know you like
to go small, so like I would

947
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:53,639
be curious to see like a Killian, Ivy, Kade lineup like all on

948
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,800
the court. At the same time, I think that like having that many

949
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,760
guards on the floor is definitely something
Dwayne Casey would do. And then from

950
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,199
a perspective of like what would make
Pistons fans the most angry. It'd be

951
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,920
like Kojoe Burke's, Rodney McGruder,
boy On and Noel, just like all

952
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,960
the vets, the expendables, all
the guys like no one paid to gum

953
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,400
see, like all those guys on
the floor at the same time. That

954
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,960
would be hilarious. Dwyen case would
totally do that. By the way,

955
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:24,199
mine is as you've predicted, unhinged. I want to see cade Hays,

956
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,199
Bay, boy On and Livers.
That's how small I'm gonna want to skew

957
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:31,480
if you if you need to pull
Killian for Isaiah Stewarts that you can have

958
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:35,760
like a big on the floor.
Fine, I just want to see them.

959
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,920
Those are the lineups. I mean, you know at this point haven't

960
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,119
come out so off like, those
are the lineups I skew towards. And

961
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:43,960
so I will root for Dwayne Casey
and win another Coach of the Year award

962
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,199
if he rolls out that lineup at
any point, the Sadiq Bads Center lineup,

963
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:50,480
I gotta say I didn't see that
coming. I'm just getting smaller and

964
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:54,679
smaller as as time marches on.
Uh, their current wind total at this

965
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:59,280
point is set at twenty nine point
five. Would you hit the over or

966
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,679
the under on that? And where
do you see them sort of winding up

967
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,440
in the larger context of the East. Vegas is so good at this because,

968
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,159
like I've been telling people, twenty
nine wins and so to have it

969
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,760
like right at twenty nine and a
half is just like, oh, so

970
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,320
I would I would go under.
I think the under is safer. That

971
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,039
accounts for injuries, that accounts for
you know, uneven development, that accounts

972
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:23,320
for you know, just weird stuff
that happens across the course of a regular

973
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,320
season. And you know, the
the East is really loaded. The East

974
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,159
is weirdly loaded. Like to make
the play in. It's like there's a

975
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:34,320
lot of optimism around in the fan
base around like the ability to make the

976
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,599
play in, but like, in
order to do that, you'd have to

977
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,079
be better than like all ten teams
that made it last year New York,

978
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,519
who is like who just had a
Jalen Brunson, who's like, you know,

979
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,039
got the Donovan Mitchell package. If
not Donovan Mitchell, to get the

980
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,480
next like disgruntled superstar, you gotta
be better than Washington who's like Kris Stops

981
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,280
apparently like you've looked really good in
EuroBasket. Bradley Bill is still there and

982
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,039
like very competent. They're and you
gotta better than Charlotte, who I expect

983
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:05,480
to win fewer games. But Steve
Clifford is like a coach that will not

984
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:10,880
let them lose a bunch of games
they're supposed to lose. And then on

985
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,599
top of that, like from below, you have Orlando who is frightening and

986
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,199
their core is just as good as
yours is. They got they have Paolo,

987
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,119
they have suddenly legitimately frightening Franz Wagner, and you know they have they

988
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:27,480
have Jalen Suggs, they have Cole
Anthony. It's like the only team I

989
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,440
can guarantee you the Pistons are going
to be better than than the East is

990
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,920
Indiana. And that's only because Indiana
decided, like literally came out and said,

991
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,199
like Jalen Smith has a starting job
for us, which is the functional

992
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:43,000
equivalent of like a seven foot like
white flag in the air on the season,

993
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:45,719
right like you if they don't trade
Miles Turner, by the way,

994
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,000
we riot that he needs to.
He has like been I guess him,

995
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,559
and I don't know who be like
the players that have been talked about being

996
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,679
traded without actually being traded, I'm
trying to just remember, like what player

997
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,239
has gone longer? It's year eight
for Miles Turner and nine somehow the trade

998
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,480
rumors explain that, I know,
right, So it's like the Pistons could

999
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:08,320
win twenty nine games and be like
in the exact same place in the standings

1000
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,360
functionally like it it would it would
be weird. The NBA needs to expand

1001
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,480
there's too much talent. Yeah,
expansion. There's the biggest support for it

1002
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:19,519
is the East this year, and
you outlined it perfectly. I would say

1003
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,880
I won't even guarantee they'd be better
than the Pacers, just because I love

1004
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,159
Tyrese Haliburton. And there's probably a
world in which the Pacers just don't trade

1005
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:30,039
Miles Turner, and if they play
him, they might be they might stumble

1006
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,199
into more wins than we think.
But yeah, I probably go, you're

1007
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:36,239
the first. This is the I
think this is number eight or number nine

1008
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,639
or our team. Look aheads,
you're the first person to hit the under

1009
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,079
on the team that I brought them
on for. But to be fair,

1010
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,119
this is only the second team that
I've also hit the under four, So

1011
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,159
I'm way too I'm gonna have to
read my I'm way too optimistic on everywhere

1012
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:51,199
I have. I have training camp
brain first, they have training camp brain

1013
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:56,039
right now. I'm with you though
on the Under and the East is just

1014
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,719
it's fascinating, like because it's so
deep and I'm I'm curious to see,

1015
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:02,159
like can the Pistons sort of shot
us? But as I said before,

1016
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:05,719
you outlined it perfectly with the teams
that they need to be better than even

1017
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,280
the ones that you don't trust,
which the Knicks, the Hornets, the

1018
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,519
Wizards, and yes, the Nets, who are They're doomed. The Nets

1019
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,840
are doomed. I want to make
that clear. But those are still teams

1020
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,400
where it's like, can you be
better than like three of them? I

1021
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,639
don't. I'd probably bet against No. Is there anything I did not ask

1022
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:25,679
you about with the Pistons that you
think isn't talked about enough or needs to

1023
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:29,519
be discussed before I let you go. We didn't mention Hommy at all,

1024
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:34,239
and like Hommy was weirdly chaotically important
for this team for stretches last season,

1025
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:39,679
and like I didn't fit him into
the rotation. Like, I don't know

1026
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,159
why he plays, but I also
know why he couldn't play, aside from

1027
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:46,239
the fact he's like never shot the
ball well, and it's like that's kind

1028
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:49,840
of a problem. But like the
absolute like last thing I want to say

1029
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:55,840
is like Kade's the guy. Like
Kate is really effing good. Kate is

1030
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,760
like so good. I only like
sometimes think about what this team would look

1031
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,519
like like future ten time All Defensive
Team member evermobli Right, Kate's so good.

1032
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,559
I'm mad we're not on national TV, even though we would more than

1033
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:12,679
likely embarrass ourselves on front of Doris
Burke and everybody. Kate is so good.

1034
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,920
I don't care his post rookie extension
is gonna be two hundred million dollars.

1035
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,840
I don't care. Everything for this
team has to be around Kaide for

1036
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,159
the next like half decade. I
would hate to do it, but like,

1037
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:27,320
if you get to the middle of
his post rookie extension and you're not

1038
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,159
where you need to be, you
got to blow it up again and like

1039
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:36,039
figure it out, because he's the
only way you're making it to a conference

1040
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:43,039
finals slash championship level. Like in
Detroit for the next like I don't know

1041
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:47,639
how long. So like Kaid's the
guy, everything has to flow through Kaide.

1042
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,480
Everything has to be about like what
makes Caide better? Everything has to

1043
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:56,119
be about like how can we help
Kaide be the best player he can be?

1044
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,280
How do we get Kaide to be
this like top eight tops of an

1045
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:04,360
NBA player that you're going to need
if you want to compete for championships.

1046
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,559
Kaid's the truth. Kaid's the fucking
truth. I would the fucking truth is

1047
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,840
the perfect way to put it.
And I would as someone who is like

1048
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,520
ten million of fet away from the
Pistons. Kay Cunningham is so good that

1049
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,560
as good as Evan Mobley and Scotty
Barnes were last season, there's no question

1050
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,159
in my mind that Kate Cunningham is
gonna end up being the best player of

1051
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:29,920
those three. That's just how good
Kay Cunningham is. I just his control

1052
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,119
over the game even when things aren't
necessarily working. That is, you can't

1053
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,760
dream that shit up in a lab
sometimes. And so I'm with you on

1054
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,640
everything you said, like this is
no, I don't think they need to

1055
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,039
go out and trade for a star
right now, because Kate Cunningham is so

1056
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:45,840
good, but I think everything needs
to revolve around him, even if you're

1057
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,359
not going the full Luka, don
Chich Prime, James Harden, Trey Young

1058
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:54,039
before Dejan Day route of so Heliocentric
is the term is. But everything that

1059
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:57,960
you do needs to be in the
image of how do we optimize Kate Cunningham

1060
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,520
because he is that much of the
fucking truth. As you said, Absolutely,

1061
01:09:02,039 --> 01:09:05,079
Las, this was great as always. Thank you, like usual for

1062
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:09,239
giving me so much of your time
in case anyone skipped the introduction in the

1063
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,079
seventy plus minute podcast. Are you
able to tell our listeners where they can

1064
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,199
find you and all the fantastic work
that you do. No, Absolutely,

1065
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:16,760
thank you again for having me Dan. I love talking to you. I

1066
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,079
love that you ask such fun questions
about my team coming into the season.

1067
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,920
If you want to follow me,
you can follow me on Twitter at last

1068
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:29,760
Chance that's at l A z H
A n CE. You can also download

1069
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,399
the Detroit Badboys podcast. Wherever you're
listening to this podcast on you can probably

1070
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,439
find it there as well, and
you should go to Detroit Badboys dot com,

1071
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,680
which is the best place on the
internet for Pistons news and analysis this

1072
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:45,079
season and every season echo everything he
said there. Detroit Badboys is great.

1073
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:47,000
Anytime I need to like something happens
with the Pistons and I want to get

1074
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:49,920
like the in depth perspective, that's
the place that I go. And the

1075
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,680
podcast when Lads is hosting it just
amazing as well. Also, if he's

1076
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,000
ever solo, one of the best
solo probably viv I'm gonna say it,

1077
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:01,199
probably the single best solo podcaster I've
ever listened to. And I guess there

1078
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,359
aren't a ton of solo podcasters,
but you do. You did a great

1079
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,079
job when you were running solo for
so long. So thank you again for

1080
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:11,479
coming on and as you know by
now, I'll be festing you again in

1081
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,279
the future. And also for an
emergency podcast when the Jay and Ivy for

1082
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:17,960
r J Barrett Spop goes down later
this year. We're looking forward to it.

1083
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:19,319
Dan looking forward to it.