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Calling All Beings, y'all, welcome
back to Calling All Beings, Party People.

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I'm your host, DJ san Marco
on a Sunday afternoon for our first

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ever timed round table. Ain't gonna
be no Danny She and philibustering up in

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here, know what I'm saying,
Andy, not gonna happen, all right,

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no idea, So we had no
I'm not that that ever happened.

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So we have an esteemed panel.
And no they're not broccoli. They are

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my friends and some of your luminaries. Unfortunately, we lost dan Z today

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the signal. A friend called out
to Dan and asked him that he actually

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needed Dan's help in terms of transportation
he or she, And if it were

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I, I would do the same
thing. I'd say peace out on the

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podcast today and I'd go help my
friend. So I got love and respect

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for dan Z and we'll get him
on another time. But let us introduce

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our our our formerly mentioned a steam
panel coming to us from the United Kingdom

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by way of Scotland. Party people. Put your hands together for Andy chilling

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with mcgrillian. I'm actually unmute this
whole show, right, Yeah pretty much?

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Yeah? Yeah, Hi everyone you
okay, good to good to be

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here, good to be back.
DJ. Well, first time on that

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one, but second time with you
and add isn't it so? Oh go?

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It's probably the third, but that's
okay, I forgot yeah, third.

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But anyway, he's the host of
that UFO podcast they are now on

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kg R. I just want to
add a little bit of some of that

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for that, because you guys are
going to be able to hear him across

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the US. Next is my man. He's an engineer, he's a proud

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Tennesseean. He's a brilliant mind in
the UFO community. The fifth pillar of

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emphasis on TikTok. Actually, are
you on YouTube as well? Yeah?

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I have a YouTube channel where I
post some longer videos as well. Yeah,

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yes, I just got to have
lunch with this man and go hang

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out at the Air Force Pace party. People put your hands together for that.

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Hey, look over there, Dan
what thanks for having me? DJ

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Man, Hey, I just want
to say that you're better looking on screen

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than in person, so I'm glad
to have it in this conversation in this

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way. All right, I'll recover
this man right here, my fellow New

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York brother who has never seen a
squat rack that he didn't like. Okay,

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he is the He's actually went to
Cleveland and worked out with Louis what's

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his name? Wait in Cleveland,
Glynn? No, it's in uh in

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Ohio. Oh oh no, no, no no. I trained with somebody

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who used to train there at West
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together for New York's own engaging the
phenomenon. And he actually has a new

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podcast he's gonna tell us about today
party people put your hands together for New

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York. Oh, James, I
and Doley my paison. Yes whoa yes,

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well, I coming coming from an
Italian, it should be yond Doley.

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But sorry, no, not no, and Andy knows what that's about.

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Yeah, all right, so we're
good now, all right, James

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Ian Doley, I dig it man. Uh So anyway, Nathan, we're

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here for a roundtable. It's gonna
be time questioning and answers. Any member

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of the panel can yield their time
to someone else. Uh. And we're

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gonna do this. Uh. We'll
go alphabetically counterclockwise because we are counterculture,

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not for long, though not for
long. We're about to join the mainstream,

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so get get ready for it.
Uh So let's start off with Andy

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pleased and Nathan anything that you have
to add. Oh wait a minute,

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hold up, not going anywhere.
I want everybody please to recognize my brilliant

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co host because he is part of
the show. I met him because of

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Andy, because he called into an
episode I had Andy on with. He's

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responsible for a lot of all the
technology you see on this show. Nathan

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has put together. He's brilliant.
He's everything that I'm not. He is

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at a wave soul party. People
put your hands together for Nathan. Thank

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you, thank you, thank you. He's brilliant. All right, go

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ahead and go ahead, Nathan.
Yeah, thank you guys for being on

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the show. Beyond thrilled to have
y'all with us today and excited to hear

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kind of what you have to say. So we're gonna do this roundtable style.

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Andy, you're gonna kick us off, tell folks a little bit about

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you your show, and kind of
white with drub too, and then and

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then Dan, we'll do the same
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and Andy will type the first topic. We'll go from there. Yeah awesome.

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Yeah. So my name is Andy
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Started it back in May twenty twenty, and here we are almost eighteen

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months later. It's been it's going
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of cool people at yourselves and converse
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via email and from all around the
world, and it's kind of gone from

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strength to strength. For whatever our
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So, I mean, some people
hate it, but I like hearing from

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them as well. Nobody and oh
oh no they do. I can show

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you the emails. But you know, it's fine. It's just adding something

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else, hopefully to this topic for
some people. And and we have discussion

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and news updates and it just kind
of has and still evolves a bit organically.

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You know. Some stuff works,
some stuff doesn't. And obviously recently

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we've joined over onto kg r A
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slowly in my accent. Otherwise it
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what I'm saying. So yeah,
it's been. It's been a kind of

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wild eighteen months, but which all
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at my first UFO conference in Preston, helping some folk out. Can I

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last minute? But that was good. That was fun. Look forward to

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a little bit more of that in
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form. So yeah, good to
be here, good to good to chat.

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Can you just tell what is important
do you hope to accomplish? That's

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one thing I want to get from
every penaly here. What do you hope

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to accomplish? What's your mission in
the community? Just to prove there's no

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such thing as alien life? And
just move on from there? Do you

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know what it's to contribute? And
the way I set up the show wasn't

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like if TTSA is a success,
then brilliant, I can stop it.

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It's just whatever happens in terms of
the conversation that as much as anything,

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it helps me. Can I keep
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and dip any different aspects of the
conversation, allow me to form my opinion

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as I go along, And if
other people listening as I do that get

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something from that and it helps them
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So it's one of those things I've
I've always said, and I maybe one

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day get on a business card,
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I'd be happy. And it's more
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so awesome. I've took up enough
time someone else Dan, Yeah, yeah,

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my brother tell us about you yourself
and what you hope to accomplish in

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the topic or what you want to
bring to the topic. Well, I

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don't have any any calling card for
being qualified to be a voice in the

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UFO community. I've never seen anything, never done anything. I've just I've

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been obsessed with it since childhood,
and that was a long time ago.

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So I've learned a lot over the
decades, and that's what has got me

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to the point where I'm at where
now I've turned around and started looking at

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the next generation that's coming, and
there's a steep learning curve associated with the

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UFO topic, and we are the
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discussions. So I saw a niche
where I would like to be. I

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would like to contribute to people getting
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we have more short attention spans in
the community now than ever before. I'm

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trying to address those people. I'm
trying to reach out. And it was

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on I can't remember if it was
Andy's or Luis's podcast with lou where he

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said get your ass off the couch
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that, I said, all right, well I've got to do something.

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What can How can I contribute?
And I'm able to. My success at

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work is based on my ability to
communicate complex topics in a simple manner,

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so that's what I try to do. I tried to use TikTok as a

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way to simplify the topic into short
snippets packed full of information as well as

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references to the longer format information that's
available to them, so that they can

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if they choose to go and investigate
themselves, because I think investigating yourself is

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going to be the way to get
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If we just tell them and try
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going to stay. They're not going
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need them to be. So I'm
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information to some information, just to
plant that seed. And I found TikTok

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and all the tools are there to
be able to start a channel and you

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don't have to you don't have to
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So that's why I chose that,
And it's also avoid there's not a lot

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of people in the UFO community on
TikTok, and the outreach associated with the

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algorithm for TikTok is incredible. I've
got a video that's got almost eight hundred

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thousand views, and so that's just
that's a lot of exposure to for the

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topic. And so that's my goal
is try to try to help people not

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have to jump in the deep end
of the pool like we all are already

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treading water in, but let them
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the wave pool before they get into
the deep end. Nice James iron Doli,

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my brother, Engaging the phenomenon and
your new podcast which is called Meta

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Beta Perspective Meta Perspective, Please tell
us about why you yourself and why that,

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what you want to bring to the
community, what you hope to bring

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to the community. Yeah, well, so I'm James. I have the

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we're breaking up the James James consciousness. There we go. Yeah, James,

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here, you may you may have
to come out and go back in

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please yah. Yeah, we can't
here, we can't. Hears We'll bring

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him back. We'll bring him back, Nathan, I'll take it. Well,

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he's he's coming back. To,
So, yeah, I'm Nathan.

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As DJ mentioned, h I got
connected with him through Andy and Andy Show

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is a huge shout out to that
that show gracious enough for me to to

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make room for me to come and
have a chat with with with both you

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Andy and with DJ. I have
not had an experience. I'm an experiencer.

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I grew up in a kind of
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to school for religious studies and theology, and this was a Christian sort of

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theology and that kind of thing.
Ended up not really going down that path

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and just got a regular career like
everybody else. Have always had an interest

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in sci fi though, and and
in this topic in particular. And I

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don't think that we're alone. I
think that, you know, the universe

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has to be full of something.
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sort of taking these kind of concepts
that we're very much a part of a

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religious upbringing and a religious way of
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but also then taking that to this
topic and I think there's some certainly a

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lot of parallels there. My hope
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more and more people, not just
people that you know, are naturally sort

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of in the topic because they've had
an experience, but people who are in

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all walks of life. I want
us to be able to have this conversation

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UH and talk to folks who have
specialties in all kinds of different areas and

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say, hey, you know,
you're a specialist in this. You know,

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how would how would the revelation that
we're not alone impact what you do?

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You know, how would it impact
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world that we live in. I
think we've got to start having that conversation

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outside of the outside of the tight
circles that that we're in right now.

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That's why I'm here, James Ian
Doley my man from New York or excuse

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me, Ian Doley. So I
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first time, right, yeah,
yeah, that's actually it's Ian Doley or

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jan Doley Doley. I don't care. It's all good than me. Go

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for it, brother, all right, I'm James. I have both the

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YouTube channels and podcasts engaging the phenomenon, which is UH mostly UFOs and CE

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five and consciousness, And then I
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Meta Perspective, which if people are
familiar with the term going meta. Uh,

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it's definitely you know, into subjects
like consciousness, but also awakening,

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mindfulness and meditation, philosophy and those
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know, I got involved. You
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for quite a while, more so
behind the scenes, and since like maybe

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two thousand and nine twenty ten,
I'm actually engaging with researchers and and you

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know, building social media groups on
like Facebook and talking with experiencers and UFO

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researchers, and I'm somebody who has
had experiences and so regarding that, you

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know, I feel in my own
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reality to be a matter of fact. And with that comes like a sense

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of obligation that, you know,
if I know something for sure that I

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think is as a genuine reality,
unquestionably, I feel somewhat obligated to share

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about that reality. And you know, and it was never focused so much

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on my experiences more than the actual
work itself. And you know, because

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of my experiences, I found C
five, which is highly controversial and it's

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gone under many different names over millennium. Modern iteration of it, and you

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know, regardless of all the taboo. I think doctor Stephen Greer has done

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a great job of getting you know, the word out, and you know,

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despite all the hate that goes towards
him, uh, you know,

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which in some cases he kind of
brought on himself because he burns every bridge

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he touches. It's a specialty.
Uh. If you go back and it's

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it's true. If you go back
and you look at Valet, Jacques Vallet

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and Heinek, they're all saying the
same thing. It's all consciousness connected to

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the phenomenon. Uh, you know. And again this is there's there's so

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much anti antigonal evidence I guess or
observation to that it's an empirical that is

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actually ridiculous at this point. So
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CE five as a way is like
I can sit here and tell you all

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day about my experience or or or
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have come forward of you know,
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really want to know, who are
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their way and and taken the initiative, I saw CE five as something is

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where okay, like you don't have
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a genuine, you know, reality. So that's that's kind of where I'm

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I'm kind of piecing together my perspective
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hoping people appreciate that. And you
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of the Phenomenal podcast, I have
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to speak to other awesome researchers and
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everybody. Yeah, that's awesome.
We're super excited to see what you're gonna

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do with that new platform. Uh. And you know what you're gonna say

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today. Uh And so I guess
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off here with Andy. So what
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to We're gonna this is gonna be
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guys know a DJ he does not
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tight ship here. We got no
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get it all done. So we've
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I'm going to add our little clock
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oh, I know right, no
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I want to bring up the fact
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and that's disclosure with a capital D. But that's okay, we don't

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need it. We have a soft
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it's a bit of a figure it
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a few or even hundreds of people
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of which never meet or know what
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least in the past, if not
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on when it comes to the phenomenon. But capital d disclosure that that will

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force consequences, that will force investigations, that will force prosecutions. Those people

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who in the early days of crash
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forties are long gone. Their successors
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without the need for going back like
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and in positions of power entertaining the
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your Rubios, and other names that
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seeing now that there's funding for the
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to uncover the secrets of what might
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be finding out for the first time
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confirmation slow discovery may be the clear
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but then what maybe years past before
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me, that's okay, it's progress
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we don't need Capital D disclosure.
We just need to keep moving forward nice,

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all right, Dan, What you
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I believe it was the African genocides
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the forgave them of their sins.
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their beings and confess to what the
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so that they kind of put all
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approach that I think would work with
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Hey, this is your opportunity to
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that you've held onto and kept from
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your careers or anything along those lines. I think that's a healthy approach to

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take to try to get the information
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have because that's a lot of what
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Capital D disclosure from the government,
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president is going to have to say
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the board, just as a formality
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to have this be something that says, Okay, we're going to get the

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information out. We're not going to
compensate those that have been negatively impacted career

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wise for the negative impacts that talking
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status, their biological effects that have
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this phenomenon. So that's my overarching
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but not forget, and help those
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be recovering. All right, James, I think I'm next. Oh okay,

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go for it. Yeah, no, alphabet, you're right, go

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okay. So Andy, I would
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we have to look at this time
as things are not this or that things

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can be this and that. So
it's like a shade, like the background

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of that clock is gray. So
we needed the government to they are a

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de facto authority on Okay, these
are real, these objects that were seen

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out over the Pacific Ocean and seen
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that enabled us to start a whole
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fully in what you said, they've
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statement after they said they were flying
saucers came out and said, oh no

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they're not, they're weather balloon.
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I don't know what was it,
twenty four hours ye, when General Raimi

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saw the press release. And so
we know that they've deceived us, But

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we still have to rely on the
fact that if they release another video and

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say this is real, every single
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oh, okay, we've got video, we've got audio, we've got narratives,

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and therefore this is a real event, and now we're going to dive

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into it and attack it like a
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we should. But unfortunately they do
have a de facto authority even though they

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have deceived us willingly and for a
long period of time. Nice all right,

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James, Yeah, So I basically
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if we're gonna talk about the US
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not a monolith. Uh, it
seems fractured. And we can see that

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politically. Now imagine with this topic
spanning decades, you know, how fractured

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or broken that system is from the
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and and and really demonstrates that.
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you know, we're not we're not
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these world powers or even say just
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right. I don't think they're going
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you know, they're not going to
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I'm not even completely sure that they
know even if they had recovered crafts with

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uh, you know, entities,
you know, who's to say they know

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where those are from technically. But
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know, demonstrating that it's not a
monolith in a sense. You have people

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like Louiel Azando and David Fravor and
Alex Dietrecht who you know, are in

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a sense they're not really part of
the government, but they're part of a

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small group that's already like making penance
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I certain agree you're right, Andy.

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I think that one of the challenges
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we're now at an age where state
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control than it you used to be. And so I think that's one of

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the big challenges that the United States
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out, is that we're living in
a day where information distribution and quote unquote

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the truth is much less hard.
It's much much harder to control. And

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so even if the US were to, I think, try to wrangle this

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subject and you know, say this
is what we know, we're already in

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a time where nobody believes, you
know, we were so factional, nobody

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really believes what the United States is
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you know, sort of distrust there, and so earning that trust back is

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going to be very very difficult.
And imagine them trying to roll this subject

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out and then looking at the history
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an erosion of trust right there.
The credibility of the government is completely eroded.

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is is incredibly pertinent because the truth
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ground up rather than from the top
down. And so but but what does

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that look like? And if we
all don't have access to some of the

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core facts, if we're not working
off of some similar facts, how do

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we really arrive at a at a
at a valid conclusion? All right,

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so first round is done. That
means great job everybody. Somebody see somebody

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backstage? Should we should we bring
this person on? All right, here

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we go. I'm let me drop
this off and then we'll bring them on.

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Yeah, thank you, hello,
Hello, thank you for having me.

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I appreciate it. I'm on Luis, Yo, what's up, James?

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I got to give you a high
five Okay, square situation excellent?

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What's going on, gentlemen? Yeah? Yeah, good to have you with

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us. Okodure to meet you.
Nathan? Yeah, likewise man? Yeah

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all right? So am I here
to throw in the bomb? Yes,

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I just wanna. I just want
to put out everybody that you're here because

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we're so excited that you could make
it. Since I screwed up the top,

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none of us knew you were coming
here, so this is a total

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surprise to everyone. Even Nathan did
not know. Yeah, okay, yeah

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cool, Yeah, well you kept
in a good secret. Yeah, I

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just saw. I was like,
let me just check my messages, and

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I was like, okay, cool, he needs me right now. Let's

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do this to representatives from kg R
A in the house baby fight, finish

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it exactly. I'm just gonna have
that, James somehow, all right,

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go for it, Louis, Okay, So I guess my I'm supposed to

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throw. Are they aware of the
grenade like the grenade topic? No,

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they don't know, and they have
no idea what you're gonna do. I'm

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hoping that it will make everybody upset
and start throwing snowballs at one another.

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Does Louise get the time or too
or he gets just to like, you

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know, he gets the time or
too? All right? All right,

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tough. So I was just gonna
throw in the topic of UFO tours.

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What is everybody's thoughts on them?
Has anybody ever done a UFO tour?

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Uh? And uh yeah, that's
it, dude. I don't need that

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much time. That was I was
told to throw a topic that might be

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controversial. Yes, And that's the
one that came to mind only because we

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just had on me Linda Lensley and
so she she had she has a UFO

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tour. We didn't even get to
that part of the conversation where we actually

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have to have her back for I
think maybe fourteen more parts. But but

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she's she's I mean, she's fascinating
and I love talking to her. But

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yeah, she's got a UFO tour
in Sedona, California, And even when

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you yelp it, people are pretty
satisfied with it. Oh wow, Okay,

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yeah, Andy, you're up.
This is actually red meat for Andy

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right now. We don't need to
put it on the grill our restart his

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timer. I already took fright,
it's not good enough. Yeah, there

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we go. Boom, Yeah,
cheers Luise. Yeah. So the UFO

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tour stuff, I mean, I
know, James, this kind of goes

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back to some of the Stephen Greer
and I know people like Melinda aren't necessarily

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charging two or three thousand dollars per
per tour as such. But the idea

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behind these tours, if it's the
same kind of stuff Luise is talking about,

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is that people are paying to go
around and hear some historical, you

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know, stories of what mey and
me have happened in different areas and get

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a sense of a you know,
a particular monument or you know, Betty

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and Barney Hill's area, stuff like
that. But there's probably some kind of

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expectation they're going to see something on
these tours, and I'm always wary if

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that comes into it. And again
that goes to if you're looking at the

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extreme of a Stephen Greer's three thousand
dollars guarantees you and eaty experience when it's

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not as the picture of the back
of someone's chair. But you know,

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as opposed to if, like Milinda's
tours and other tours, someone just got

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in touch with me actually who's looking
to run one in Glasgow, Scotland,

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be some history and culture within that as

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well, but not the expectation they're
going to see something. And I would

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hate to think on these things that
it's deliberately set up. You know,

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pilots will fly out and drop flares, or someone's got there the little brother

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kicking about with a drone behind a
bush at a height. That would be

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disappointing. But I've got no issue
with UFO tours. I think they're cool

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and as long as it gets the
history out there, and I think it's

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something that people might go along to
with a friend who don't have an interest

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in the subject that leave with an
interest. Nice dude, I love it,

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Dan, all right. I've actually
been on the Haunted Ashfield tour before,

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and I thought it was going to
be about ghosts and things like that,

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but it was about history. So
to me that was the best part

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of it because that's a side of
the story of a town's history that you're

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not going to know about unless you
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So if they if a UFO tour
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high strange this area. I mean, of course, if we went to

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Skinwalker Rette Ranch, they'd be all
lots of people would go to that.

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The Marphall Lights are something that come
to mind, like that would be a

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really cool tour to go to and
maybe see something if it could happen.

408
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:56.000
But as long as they're putting out
information that is historically accurate and like like

409
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.359
we're saying, don't promise people that
you're gonna see something. No one told

410
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.759
me I was going to see a
ghost. They told me I was going

411
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.200
to learn about it. So that's
the mindset I had going into it.

412
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.240
So my expectations were met when I
went on these things, and it is

413
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.480
a great opportunity to talk to other
people that have similar interest, get to

414
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.720
meet them, get to expose your
friends to it. I'll take my kids

415
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.839
to a ghost tour, spook them
out a little bit. That's fun.

416
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.359
It's always fun when your kids grab
your leg grow hard when they're nervous.

417
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.359
But it's just an enjoyable time to
spend with people that you hang out with.

418
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.240
So I'm all for it unless it's
flares from planes, and then it's

419
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:45.240
awesome. DJ. Yeah, I'm
in violent agreement with the previous two speakers.

420
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:51.519
I think that they're okay as long
as you don't over promise and under

421
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.920
deliver. I think it should be
the inverse of that, and if it

422
00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:00.119
does bring people to the topic,
I think it's okay. It's it's a

423
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.559
little bit kooky because you would think
if you're going to bring somebody on a

424
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.440
UFO tour, they're kind of going
to think that, hey, we might

425
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:13.440
see something. But in that case, I'm going to yield the balance of

426
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.680
my time to James. Yeah,
sure I can. I can do the

427
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:23.799
entire rest of the show on this
topic. Well, look, you have

428
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:28.680
to look at it like this.
You know, first of all, I'm

429
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:37.279
personally I'm not a fan of charging
any kind of money for disclosing and kind

430
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:44.640
of you know, showing people a
fundamental reality. I'm kind of biased on

431
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.920
that and I understand that, you
know, people's time and efforts should be

432
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:53.799
compensated. So that's why I think
and say doctor Stephen Greer's case, you

433
00:33:53.880 --> 00:34:01.079
know, where the prices are outrageous. It hurts the movement, and you

434
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.319
know, less you know, if
it's a lesser price, I guess it's

435
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.159
not as big a deal. That's
you know, you're compensating people's time and

436
00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:15.480
effort. But again, the price, say that doctor Stephen Greer charges is

437
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.760
absolutely ridiculous. It's just you know, over the top, and and people

438
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.079
have to understand where this is coming
from. So when first of all,

439
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.360
doctor Stephen Greer is not the first
person to get people together, form groups

440
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:35.719
and do contact. But the original
purpose of those contact you know, they

441
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:43.079
were not UFO tours. They were
CE five Initiative Citizens Ambassador Contact Training.

442
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.119
So the whole purpose of those events
was to get people together, teach them

443
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.119
how to do CE five field work, to mobilize them so that they can

444
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:54.440
go out and form their own groups
and do this work in their areas and

445
00:34:54.519 --> 00:35:01.280
then become working group leaders or organizers
for their area. But there were issues

446
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:07.960
with that because doctor Stephen Greer had
a very tight leash on those groups and

447
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:14.679
you can't use c seti's name and
likeliness and and all that. But it

448
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:21.880
started out actually for much cheaper prices
with Stephen Greer, and it was better

449
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:27.159
for mobilized and contact groups. Now
where the prices are so extraordinary, it's

450
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:34.079
not it's not good for, you
know, helping to mobilize groups to go

451
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.719
out and make contact so they can
have their own disclosures and even in their

452
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:45.199
own right become citizens diplomats to UFO
intelligence. Nice, I mean I think

453
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:49.920
that. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, Louise, please jump in. Oh

454
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:57.400
everyone was so eloquent. Yeah.
I I like the idea of calling it

455
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:01.039
maybe a SkyWatch tour as opposed to
a UFO tour. Like, yeah,

456
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.400
verbiage is everything. I mean,
who knows, maybe you do see a

457
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.159
UFO or you see a satellite or
it would be cool. Also if those

458
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:16.960
tours were equipped with, say someone
looking at sky tracking data or you know

459
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:23.280
whatever, other sorts of instruments like
infrared or night vision and things like that,

460
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.800
that would be cool. So people
could switch between different spectrums of light.

461
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.119
They can they can look at the
at the radar and say, oh,

462
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.159
you know, seek a satellite is
still really exciting, Like when you

463
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.320
see this the the you know,
the Elon Musk, what is that skylink?

464
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:45.000
I was gonna say link of satellites. It's awesome, Like it's cool

465
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.440
to see and to have stars and
galaxies pointed out to you in a history

466
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.239
given of what the known universe could
possibly hold in beyond and you know,

467
00:36:53.559 --> 00:37:00.159
giving people different idea of how to
think, as opposed to we're gonna we're

468
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:01.480
going to go out there. We're
going to see UFOs, we're going to

469
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.280
see aliens, We're going to see
you know, other non human entities.

470
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.760
And and I think it's there's a
big you know, and charging people.

471
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:14.880
I can understand charging people for a
tour like that, you know, like

472
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.239
the first example that I gave you, you know, the second example,

473
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.599
I would you know, obviously I'd
be skeptical, but I'd go check it

474
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.400
out. Why not? You know, it could be fun. A worst

475
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.440
case scenario, you're out underneath the
stars and getting a good night of fresh

476
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:37.079
air. Best case scenario, maybe
you do see a UAP. So yeah,

477
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.519
yeah, yeah, I mean for
me, it's so a UFO tour

478
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.719
falls into a long tradition of and
I think Dan, you know your your

479
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.719
analogy to the ghost tours, it
is a good one, but it falls

480
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.239
into a very long tradition of sort
of human beings trying to have a connection

481
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.119
with the mythology, you know where
if you look back and just take Christian

482
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.119
history as a good example, you
know, they're all kinds of of stories

483
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:06.519
where people go to certain you know, tiny little church sites or shrine sites

484
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.360
whatever to try to see you know, a piece of a saint, you

485
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:12.280
know, the shirt that they wore, whatever. So that this has a

486
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:16.400
long history and I think human culture
to try to connect with in a community

487
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.760
way, with other people connect with
this thing that they have a strong belief

488
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.519
in. Where I have a huge
concern is in the predatory nature of the

489
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:30.239
of a tour. So if we
are predating people, you know where we're

490
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.320
trying to get them to join this
tour with the promise of, as you

491
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.559
guys have said, seeing some sort
of grand thing and then fleecing them for

492
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.079
a whole bunch of money. I
think that is you know, totally disingenuous.

493
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.159
And in the community, it's our
responsibility to call that out. You

494
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.400
know, if we're going to have
a community that is healthy, you know,

495
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.639
where we uh provide a safe space
for people to have a conversation,

496
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.639
we we have to call it when
we see it and say this is not

497
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.960
okay. We can't allow those folks
to continue doing it. And I guess

498
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.000
on that point, and I know
we can't keep talking about it, but

499
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.480
I am curious about We know there
are people doing this right now, So

500
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:13.199
what is our responsibility to kind of
call those folks out on it. That's

501
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:15.199
a great way to finish it off. And I think we do have that

502
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.719
responsibility, but we also have a
responsibility to press on with our next panelist

503
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.639
topic. That's right, So I
think that's Dan right, That is my

504
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:28.920
man, Dan, Yes, Dan, take it away all right. I'll

505
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.239
tack on to that last one real
quick and say, first time people use

506
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.079
night vision goggles, it really grounds
you to how immense the universe that you

507
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.880
live in is. So that's another
big plus to those things. Nice,

508
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.280
But instead of looking out sometimes we
might need to look behind us. My

509
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.199
question pertains to history. It appears
that the phenomenon has been interacting with humanity

510
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.760
for a long time. We currently
focus on the US government releasing videos as

511
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.920
what as the gold standard for what
we would want to see to get into

512
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.599
the general public and scientific community to
accept the phenomena as fact. It's but

513
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:08.480
what could be undeniable physical proof that
has already been discovered? I'll of the

514
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:16.199
inclusion of the discovered material proportion of
HR forty three point fifty. What do

515
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:22.039
you think has been discovered and stored
away from the public knowledge, either intentionally

516
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:27.159
or unintentionally, or it could have
or it could have simply been misidentified as

517
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.760
something prosaic that is in someone's vault
somewhere that could shift public opinion on the

518
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.480
phenomena. And where do you think
this evidence could be located that's outside of

519
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:45.559
the government. Oh, man,
Andy stole my topic. Man, fine,

520
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:52.760
Yeah, that's definite. Yeah,
so good, good shout down what

521
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.920
has been discovered and stored away?
I mean it seems pretty caught and dry

522
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:01.679
that even Louela is Onto himself has
said that they're is pieces or potentially an

523
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:07.519
intact craft stored away. Craft from
where and of who's we don't necessarily know.

524
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:13.519
I think there's likelihood we've got crafts
that have been dug up as part

525
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.880
of archaeological digs, and that suppose
opens up, you know when you see

526
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.400
I ceed to love on Twitter and
I don't know how true they are,

527
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.159
but a picture of some device and
it's like this is dated back almost fifty

528
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.000
thousand or one hundred thousand years,
and the technology is so advancing. The

529
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.639
idea that there may have been advanced
civilizations long before us, that whatever happened

530
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.599
to them, they went away.
And maybe those people got to a point

531
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.079
they left the planet and you know
they've done what they've done. Maybe they

532
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.679
went underground for whatever reason. Who
knows. Antarctica's one as well. You

533
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.000
know what's under the ice, what's
in the ice, what could be stuck

534
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:51.039
there. That's something I've always wanted
to try and talk about on the show

535
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:52.599
as well. It's a little bit
more out there, but I think it's

536
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.719
interesting. I think some of this
stuff is stored away, obviously for defense

537
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.800
reasons, for technological superiority for other
countries, but a large part in going

538
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:07.079
back to what I mentioned earlier about
government not necessarily knowing a whole lot that

539
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.079
we think they do, is it
a case of they don't know what it

540
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.239
is, so it stored a way
to try and work out what it is,

541
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.079
because that would be a scary thing
for any government to have to admit.

542
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:16.840
To turn around as even the biggest
government in the world, like the

543
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:21.199
United States, and say we have
this, we don't really know what it

544
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.079
does, like having an iPhone,
and you can work out it can make

545
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.679
phone calls, but you know nothing
else about it. Where is it?

546
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:35.079
Lockheed Martin, Boeing and those kind
of places, nice dj oh okay,

547
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.920
I thought, okay, yeah,
it was Dan's topic, so I'm up,

548
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.320
yeah, wait can you reset the
alright? I'm up? All right

549
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.679
it So basically, you know,
from my point, you don't really need

550
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.440
the premise. Andy's premise is basically
plausible deniability. You really don't need plausible

551
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.199
deniability for something that people were not
looking for back then. And if there

552
00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:00.480
were, let's say, plausible anel
news was the reason up in front of

553
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.559
Congress they could just couch their questions
and committee and say, okay, is

554
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.440
there do we now have or were
we ever in the possession of? And

555
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.079
there goes the plausible deniability. Second
of all, the way the government works

556
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.239
is based on custodial responsibility. So
we have some of Lockheed Martin's equipment.

557
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:21.159
They have some of our equipment.
It still remains our equipment even though they've

558
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.119
hand receided that equipment and they have
custodial responsibility. The safest place on the

559
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.119
planet is Area fifty one because they
have seven different layers of community of security

560
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:35.960
in the air. And if I
want a big low Aerospace or Lockheed Martin

561
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:40.079
and my scientists to work there,
and they do work there to analyze that

562
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.719
material, I bring the scientists to
the material. I don't bring the material

563
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.480
to a much less insecure facility for
them to look at it. That's how

564
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.639
that works. We already have contractors
working at those places, and we could

565
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.920
bring them, give them a clearance
and bring them in. But you don't

566
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.960
put that stuff on a truck and
put out in the middle of life,

567
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.400
Vegas where anyone could drive up to
the fence line. You keep it behind

568
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:09.119
multiple layers of security. James,
Yeah, you know, we're doing Crash

569
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.360
Retrieval Week October seventeenth, October twenty
fourth. That's going to be talking about

570
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:21.280
crash retrievals and you know possible recovered
UFO technology, which I mean, I

571
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:27.199
think is a topic that should be
front and center. You have people like

572
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.199
again Luel Azando has has made several
references to this. I don't think he's

573
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.119
he's putting it out there on a
whim, speculatively, just kind of to

574
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:45.760
entertain the idea. It seems to
me to imply that he may have,

575
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:52.440
you know, awareness and official capacities
that he was part of of such materials.

576
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:59.840
And then you have people like doctor
Davis, who's made some astounding statements.

577
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.519
You know, we know the alleged
Wilson Davis memo with a meeting they

578
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.320
had with Vice Adamal Tom Wilson talking
about some of this. We don't know

579
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:17.639
obviously if the information that was discussed
is accurate. But you know, doctor

580
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.960
Davis has a much deeper involvement than
I think most people realized. Before he

581
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.880
was even in KNIDS, he was
working in classified programs for the Air Force,

582
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:34.639
and he you know, he gave
briefings to people and defense committees regarding

583
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:39.000
crash retrievals, you know, for
the Senate Intelligence Committee that speaks for itself.

584
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.880
Let me just say as to where
the materials are, I think there's

585
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.559
a genuine part that is tied to
underground facilities, you know, whether it

586
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.960
be the Utah Proving Grounds, whether
it be Area fifty one, yeah,

587
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:01.199
Doug Way Proven Grounds. You know, and you know the stories of of

588
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.840
Neil McCasland talking to Tom DeLong about
you know, recovering alien life forms.

589
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.920
We can and somebody feel free to
yield your time back to James or No,

590
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.559
that's I just want to You're more
than welcome. I mean, that's

591
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:21.719
why I just wanted to clarify.
I'm I'm hoping that somebody can come up

592
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:27.000
with evidence outside of the US government
that is accessible, because we're never going

593
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.679
to get into Area fifty one to
be able to it's outside of the US

594
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.760
and that's why there's any evidence.
That's why that place is so amazing is

595
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.199
because nobody today, nobody, not
one person could we get on our shows

596
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.960
that could tell you what's inside,
what what flight programs are running there?

597
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.960
Because nobody knows. That's why you
keep stuff there anyway, Louise, Louise

598
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.960
Eric Davis had a prodigious career in
baseball before getting into UFOs. Go ahead,

599
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.440
please, okay, oh you might
sign to Andy. What do you

600
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.000
got, No at all, Louise, I just want two seconds, because

601
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.880
the whole thing about Area fifty one. Right now, everyone does know about

602
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.400
Area fifty one, So yeah,
yeah, you can't. You're shaking your

603
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.199
head, but that's a factual statement. Everyone knows about Area fifty one.

604
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:14.559
What are we know? What are
running there? You know it's a place.

605
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.159
That was the statement. Yeah,
so you can't, you disagreed,

606
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:21.079
So yeah, so yeah, everyone
knows about ERYA fifty one. So if

607
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.239
you're Russia or China and you can
get spies involved, then you could potentially

608
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.360
have You're shaking your head, but
you don't know. So I'm saying the

609
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.679
fact is that why you wouldn't put
it there, like you said you definitely

610
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.920
would, is that you don't know
the people working and there are one hundred

611
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.280
percent necessarily trustworthy just for the fact
that one of them, Bobblas are,

612
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.480
if he did work there, is
out talking about it now already. So

613
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.280
if he could work there and get
a story out, then why wouldn't they

614
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.519
potentially be Russian, Chinese or some
other government spies in therewith the tech,

615
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.039
hence you move it to a third
party subcontractor, which is a lot less

616
00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:00.960
well known and can also be a
lot I'm sure more end with thrills as

617
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.239
opposed to what they do with people
who do infiltrate these places. I don't

618
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.119
want to go fill James Bond here, but that's just an idea. Anyone

619
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.440
want to yield their time to me, sure, go for it. Yeah,

620
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.159
you can have my time, that's
fine, okay. So Andy,

621
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.800
the thing is is if you if
you understand what is what involves a TSSCI

622
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:23.800
background and how they go through that, it's it's extremely difficult if the person

623
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.039
wasn't at least born here. So
you understand how far they go back in

624
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.719
your background and trace back everybody that
you ever knew from when the time you

625
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.519
could walk until now. I mean, I've been through that, so I

626
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.559
know people that they talked to when
they did a TSSCI on me twice.

627
00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.079
So so there's that second of all, again, you don't need to bring

628
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:52.519
the material to a facility once you
get if they were to sign over ownership

629
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.039
of that material to Lockheed Martin,
then now the CEO of Lockheed Martin is

630
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.880
in possession of that material, and
that material is in a facility that is

631
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.559
one hundred times less by any measure
than Area fifty one. There's nobody that

632
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.719
you could bring on your show,
or anybody here could bring on a show

633
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.440
that can tell you what flight programs
are running right now or f y nineteen

634
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.400
or f y twenty at Area fifty
one. This is why you put something

635
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:21.360
there. You bring the scientists that
are already. Lockheed Martin's already working there,

636
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.239
so there's no need to bring the
material to Lockheed Martin. When you

637
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.920
can bring Lockheed Martin to the material, or any contractor for that matter.

638
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:31.480
That's all I have to say.
I mean, and I'll take the last

639
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:36.559
few seconds just that, and I
generally I know GDJ and I who had

640
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.079
a debate on this too. But
my only thing I would add to that

641
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:44.000
is if there's material that lands some
far place like place far away from Area

642
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.679
fifty one, I don't think they're
going to truck it across the country at

643
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:51.159
Area fifty one. Though there are
probably multiple places to store this stuff.

644
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.559
That would be my suspicion. There
are, actually there are, but they're

645
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:59.320
not in there. They're dug away
somewhere there. And by the way,

646
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.719
this happened in the forties and fifties. This is not stuff that's moving around

647
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.119
today on a Mayflower trucking company.
Well, can I just add real quick

648
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:13.159
that I think this there's two things
with this idea of crash retrievals. I

649
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.039
think, just to answer Dan's question
really quick, yes, I think we

650
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:21.760
have materials. I don't think we
have a whole craft only because there are

651
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:27.599
archaeological digs happening all over the world
right now. One of them hasn't stumbled

652
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:30.760
across one of these things, or
a piece of these things, or something

653
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:37.320
that would really really stick out from
anything else. Ever on an archaeological dig,

654
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.119
it's a sexy thought that we just
found one of these things buried in

655
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:45.599
the ice or in the Grand Canyon
or something. But I just, ah,

656
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:49.719
man, it's hard for me to
believe it, obviously without seeing it,

657
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.000
but it's it would be difficult to
cover up. I think. I

658
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:58.000
don't no matter what the base,
I could be wrong. But yeah,

659
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.719
that's I mean, that's why I
just want to say that real quick.

660
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.880
On the material. Yeah, well, it could be at the bottom of

661
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:05.960
the Baltic Sea. None of us
know, none of us know well you

662
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:09.280
know, yeah, I mean there's
the story that you know, they they

663
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:14.360
found some kind of craft in South
America and the US just went over there

664
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.360
and took it basically, and who
are they to come out and say,

665
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.960
oh, the US came and retrieved
some kind of debris or whatever it be.

666
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.079
Uh. You know, I think
that people are there are other governments

667
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:29.400
that are probably kind of like towing
the line and probably afraid to speak out

668
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:34.320
before the US because they know how
we operate basically, you know, frankly.

669
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.280
But also you know, regarding the
top secret clearances, you know,

670
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:43.920
we have to also consider people like
Warner Van Brown. And you know,

671
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:49.360
again this is people are gonna be
highly skeptical, and that's I definitely can

672
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.079
appreciate that in this sense. But
you have people like Uri Geller saying that

673
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:58.159
you know, uh, Warner Ron
bound took him and he to see something.

674
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.599
Uh, and there were pictures of
them together, and you know,

675
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:06.480
Urie is kind of uh, you
know, mesmerizing, and he has all

676
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.519
these stories. But I think there
may be something to that. Again,

677
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:15.599
that's a whole other topic other than
just crash retrievals. Right, we have

678
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:22.159
pop potential UFO technology or debris.
Right, what about entities? If we

679
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:27.400
have actual alien life forms for lack
of a better term, if we have

680
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.840
actual entities, I mean that that's
a whole other layer then you know,

681
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:38.360
some kind of even like alien tech
drones. Yeah, James, you're up

682
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.239
with your topic. So if you
want to start your topic off of this

683
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:45.599
and we're having another guess that's gonna
pop in in three minutes, but go

684
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:51.519
ahead and uh and start off with
this one whatever you want to. Yeah,

685
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.440
I'll start your timer. Sure,
I'll just I can I'll just go

686
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.159
on from where I was going.
So, yeah, so crash crash retrieval

687
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:05.880
materials that you know, there's been
some talk about, you know, fully

688
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:10.199
intact craft. Obviously that's that's a
hard pill to swallow, you know,

689
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.880
obviously we can't take anything with a
grain of salt. It could be disinformation,

690
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:21.960
as with Boblosar story could all purposely
have been put there for disinformation against

691
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:28.000
Soviets or anybody else to make them
think Number one, that we have fully

692
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.719
in craft uh intact crafts number one. Number two, it could be how

693
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.000
you have Bibblozar coming out here talking
about element one point fifteen, which the

694
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.559
Soviets are like, we will never
get this. They have a little brick

695
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.159
of it. We can never get
it. Therefore we can't develop the technology.

696
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.000
So they're also is also kind of
like a player, you know,

697
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.239
not to disinform the US population,
so to speak, but to you know,

698
00:53:53.440 --> 00:54:00.960
as a counterintelligence active measure to protect
potential development of technology. So you

699
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:07.360
have like several there's several different layers
of national security implications to crash retrievals.

700
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:13.039
And again maybe say for the United
States government. I'm in the US,

701
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:19.840
it's in our best interest that those
measures have been taken. All right,

702
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.760
that sounds good? Before we continue
to go ahead, No, I was

703
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.679
gonna say that, let's let's get
the responses, then we'll bring on our

704
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.440
additional guests. So let's go to
to Dan and then we'll okay, unless

705
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:31.480
you want to because we've got a
good flow here, So I want to

706
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.599
want to get dance thoughts on it. Sorry Andy's thoughts. Andy would be

707
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.920
next, So oh okay. Again, it's sort of carrying on James the

708
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:45.320
crash retrieval stuff. And I get
as well what what DJ is saying.

709
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.360
But I suppose take it from a
point of view as someone who's not inside

710
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.599
the US and can look at a
point of view that you want it to

711
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.960
be as secured as you thinks.
And it's a nice thought that you know,

712
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:58.960
because you went through what you went
through, that it would be so

713
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.639
so difficult for someone else to get
in there. But whoever made the point

714
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:07.239
just before about Verna von Braun?
Okay, so there was a bunch of

715
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.440
Nazis that you gave security clearances to, you know, So let's I suppose

716
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.840
that kind of stops that argument dead, that it's hard to get security clearance

717
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.000
unless you're born in the US,
because they literally gave them to the people

718
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:21.920
that they brought them over. I
mean, so so yeah, and again

719
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.679
there's also that you don't know,
like again the bubblers are stuff like,

720
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.039
he's managed to get this element and
it sounds like from the Bubblasar story.

721
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.239
Correct me, please anyone if I'm
wrong, But he's managed to get something

722
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.719
so super secret out of the lab. How again, if this is the

723
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.000
place, you know, if this
is the place on Earth DJ, how

724
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.880
has a scientist like Bubblas are managed
to sneak something out and then hide it

725
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.159
this whole time from all those people
who apparently are looking after it. So

726
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.840
I can see that, yeah,
people could get in there. I don't

727
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:57.679
see any good reason why they wouldn't
have moved it again since the forties because

728
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.679
I'm sure they've got bigger and better
places, and he talks at all levels

729
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:06.840
as well, so for me yet, I'm I don't see any reason why

730
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.079
this stuff couldn't be all over the
country with very stufferent organizations as well.

731
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.000
And like Lewis said before, I
do think they've got a fill craft,

732
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.840
but of what I don't know.
It doesn't necessarily mean they've got something alien.

733
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:24.000
Right, Yeah, you're out,
you know, dogz on now mate.

734
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:29.000
So I'm not a big believer that
we have a full craft for the

735
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.880
sheer fact that we're staring at a
bunch of bismuth and magnesium layers and drooling

736
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:36.599
over them. So it's hard for
me to believe we got a whole craft

737
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.480
if that's where our focus is.
And I also don't think we would see

738
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:46.519
the craft or a recognizable part of
a vehicle of any sort. I think

739
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.119
we would see evidence of the technology
that was gleaned from studying it. And

740
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:58.280
that's where Philip Corso comes in with
his claims that they back engineered some aspects

741
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:04.760
of the technology that were found in
the forty seven crash. But I also

742
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:07.880
have a lot of doubts about that
because there's there's usually a backlog, a

743
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:14.559
history associated with each of those technologies
that comes out that can be traced back.

744
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.079
So to me, there there that
would be the evidence, that would

745
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:24.159
be the proof where we took a
gigantic Tesla like leap forward in our technology

746
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:29.800
and in our society. That would
be, without a doubt, that came

747
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.000
from somewhere else. We don't know
how. We didn't know about it until

748
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.320
it was here. We had a
cell phone drop in Victorian times. So

749
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:42.840
to me, without the evidence of
the technology being trickled in, that is,

750
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.960
without a shadow of a doubt,
not backed by his historical research and

751
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:52.039
development human effort. I got a
hard time believing we figured any of it

752
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.199
out. We might have recovered some, but we haven't figured any of it

753
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.639
out. Djay you, I am
not I a Louis Alizondo. I'm not

754
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.719
a Chris Mellon. I'm not one
of these guys that's been at the highest

755
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:08.360
levels of government. The only reason
that you want to have me on your

756
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:13.760
show, if at all, if
ever, is because I know aviation and

757
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.639
I know how the government works.
I have been both a contractor to the

758
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:21.159
government and now I work for the
government as an employee. Like lou did.

759
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.719
So I know how the government thinks, how it acts, what it

760
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:30.440
is likely to do likely. Notice
that the word likely in given situations.

761
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.000
And that's how I come to this
hypothesis by working on the inside and the

762
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:42.159
outside on both and I know what
we trust contractors with and when contractors are

763
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.760
asked to leave the room, because
I was that contractor that might have to

764
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.760
leave the room even though I represented
the government, believe it or not,

765
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.400
as a contractor. But anyway,
all that said, that's how I come

766
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.480
to the conclusion about the safe places
that you would keep this material. And

767
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:02.239
you could bring any number of scientists
in Werner Werner von Brunt was brought in

768
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.079
for a very specific purpose because he
had a specific knowledge. But you don't

769
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:08.519
just go and bring any citizen in
and go, oh, we're gonna give

770
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:13.800
this person a clearance. Unless they
have an extremely special skill set that we

771
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.760
want to leverage against the technology we're
trying to acquire, then we might issue

772
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.119
them with clearance. And by the
way, they're watching very very very closely

773
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:31.199
m luis. Okay, So okay, So the first thing I'd say to

774
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:37.320
the crash retrievals is, like,
how many crash retrievals are there, like

775
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:42.920
and and why are they crashing so
much? Like you know, like if

776
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:52.320
if it's tech that can can traverse
time and space and makes vastest is possible,

777
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:57.599
maybe in a blink of an eye, why did they crash so much?

778
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:04.079
That would be I can understand one, two, maybe three, you

779
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:07.239
know, but like anything past that's
like, okay, this is just dangerous.

780
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:14.159
Like this technology it could reveal a
whole multitude of things to a species

781
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.960
that we may not want to interact
with on that kind of level. So

782
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:21.480
if they're crashing here on Earth,
my question is like why so many times?

783
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.039
But I will ask you real quick, DJ, just the backup kind

784
01:00:24.079 --> 01:00:30.760
of what Andy's saying. There are
spies right, yes, but now okay,

785
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:37.119
okay, but then then there will
be any spies if they couldn't get

786
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:44.920
into a clearance on some level,
maybe they are or maybe they appear to

787
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.960
be. And I think there's sophisticated
ways to sort of circumvent those things,

788
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.079
because if there wasn't, we wouldn't
have this issue, there wouldn't be this

789
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:59.880
this uh movement against spies. That
also, I just real quick I wanted

790
01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:04.599
to say, uh, hacking as
well, like there's there's spies in a

791
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.159
digital sense. So to say that
nobody knows what's going on in area fifty

792
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:14.760
one, I think is a little
naive. I have no I agree with

793
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.639
you about there are spies. I'm
just saying that you're asking for my opinion,

794
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.440
and I'm giving it to you based
on my experience. Got to make

795
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.039
an in hacked, got to make
an inhact NASA, right right, yeah,

796
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:29.719
yeah, I mean this James time, right, Well, it's James

797
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:32.239
right. Well he introduced there he
I guess Field at the top. He

798
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.519
we got to bring our special guests. Yeah, well let me respond on

799
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.000
this for it's cool. That's cool. So I I to back up your

800
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:45.039
point. I think that the security
apparatus is in place, right, so

801
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.159
you you leverage what you've already got
in place where you can. That being

802
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:53.559
said, sometimes good security is sort
of going the other direction. So you

803
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:58.079
could have a facility that doesn't look
look secure, but in fact really is

804
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.079
secure. It could it could appear
to be, uh, you know,

805
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:04.360
totally open, but there may be
sub levels to it or whatnot that are

806
01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.920
actually very very tightly controlled. Uh. The private contract or access you know,

807
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:13.320
is to me very you know,
curious because private contractors come and go.

808
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:15.559
Uh. And if you're a private
employee and a private citizen, you

809
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.760
know, you you come and go, you change careers, and even if

810
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.880
you sign an NDA, you're gonna
you know, at some point you may

811
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.719
jump ship to a different competitor.
What if that competitor isn't right into the

812
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.400
program, so to speak? So
then do you just totally compartmentalize that knowledge

813
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.119
and not let it influence the work
that you do for your for the competitor

814
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.960
that you now work for. There
are a lot of variables to this that

815
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:38.400
it seems like the complexity of it
is such that if we really did have

816
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:43.519
some of this stuff, I guess
I'm saying, we probably would know about

817
01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.119
it right now. And Nathan,
you have more time because I talked over

818
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.480
So No, that's cool. I'm
good with that. So why don't we

819
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.880
bring on, uh, why don't
we bring on our backstage person? So

820
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:58.400
I'll let you take this off screen
and I'll let you introduce our good guest

821
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:04.480
who's on mute I'm unmuting you hash
things? All right, Hi, welcome,

822
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.800
all right, all right, this
is our spec Oh we can't see

823
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:12.320
you, I know, I don't
know why we cannot see you. See

824
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:15.400
if you can re engage. Oh
oh, there we go. We got

825
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.199
an avatar. No, yep,
we can hear you. We just can't

826
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:25.360
see you when come with them.
All right, okay, we can hear

827
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.920
you. Yeah, if you want
to go out and come back in,

828
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.039
I think Louise usually troubleshoots. Louise, please take over the troubleshooting. Yeah

829
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.239
yeah, I mean check what camera
input your your cameras on and if it's

830
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:39.719
on the right one, then yeah, I would say try and back out

831
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.679
and come back in. Let's call
Melinda Leslie real quick and see what she

832
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:46.079
would recommend. Hey, while she's
doing that, I want to follow up

833
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:52.880
on lou Hey, lou the aircraft
carriers travel the vast distances of the ocean,

834
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.960
but it's usually the jets and aircrafts
that do the crashing once they get

835
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.719
to their destination. Could that be
what we're seeing? That's fun? I

836
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:08.639
like it. It's again, it's
just like, would you send probes on

837
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:15.360
a planet that is hostile that you
know, are incredibly fragile to maybe technologies

838
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.119
that they display, you know,
like what a general what a general of

839
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:24.639
an aircraft? Carrier do that right, Yeah, and if you go to

840
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:30.199
American Cosmic, you know James and
Tyler uh talk about the gifting field.

841
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:34.840
Right. Let's let's let's let's let's
get to our very special guest. Tell

842
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:40.079
us where you're where you're calling from
right now, Ashley at the moment,

843
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:44.639
I am in West Georgia, England. Can I get it? Amen?

844
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:50.760
Divine Daisy girl, Ashley, what's
up? Actually so happy to have you

845
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:55.119
join us. She's going to be
on our all women's round table where all

846
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:58.639
these faces right here are going to
be replaced by women except for Nathan,

847
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.760
myself and Nathan's But go ahead,
Ashley, you have a question that you

848
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.920
wanted to put out there for the
group. Either one or another or everybody

849
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:10.760
can take it up if they wish. It's been a very nuts and bolt

850
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.719
conversation. I'll say that whereas I'm
more of the other side, a bit

851
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:19.320
more of the wo I was just
wondering, haven't done the research on the

852
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:25.679
UFOs and everything? Where are you
all in terms of physical and non physical

853
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:31.719
being? James? You've done C
five, so you have a bit of

854
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:38.519
knowledge on the consciousness. Yeah,
James, why don't you take that all

855
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:45.039
right, so you know physical non
physical. I don't think it's an either

856
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:50.440
or thing. If you want to
say non physical, I don't think it's

857
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:57.400
non it's there's kind of like non
physical in the sense of there's no physics

858
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.800
behind it. I think, you
know, again, ultra violet rays and

859
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.079
and things like that. Uh,
technically we as humans cannot perceive that,

860
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:09.159
but we have apparatus that can that
can that can sense and track and monitor.

861
01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:14.159
So I think that, say,
if we're going to talk about consciousness,

862
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:19.800
and if we're going to talk about
even esp. Telepathy and these different

863
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:28.480
objects that seem like energy beings or
or have you know, just they display

864
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:32.960
things that seem you know, where
they disappear and reappear. I think eventually

865
01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:35.800
we are going to understand the physics
of all that. And I think that

866
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:40.880
all I think everything is going to
fit into the realm of physics, whether

867
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:46.079
you consider it as hyper spatial,
like hyper spatial technologies that are able to

868
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:53.400
interface with dimensions uh, and and
and therefore consciousness. So again, I

869
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:56.360
don't see it as an either or
question. I don't think any of it

870
01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:00.719
is per se magic. I think
all of it will come within the realm

871
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:05.480
of understanding of physics eventually, even
if it takes thousands of years. And

872
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:10.960
I think that a tip, you
know, was looking at their their consciousness

873
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:15.679
component through things like psychatronics, and
we know that that deals with frequencies.

874
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:20.599
So my time's up. Anybody else
want to take it or who else would

875
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:29.039
like to well, I mean,
I don't know. I've been diving into

876
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.199
this. I'm still doing research and
still learning about a lot of things,

877
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.320
especially on the non physical end of
things. Because when you think, I

878
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:40.599
mean, at least from my experience, it was very even though it was

879
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:45.039
incredible, it still seemed like there
was hands behind the craft I was looking

880
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:49.599
at. It seemed like a very
nuts and bolout And but you know,

881
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:55.000
I've never seen metal glow on anything
else. Like it was just different.

882
01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:01.320
But this idea, I love this
idea of you know, everything is vibrating

883
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:06.679
at different tones and speeds, and
you know, like this table is vibrating

884
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.840
at a different frequency than what I'm
vibrating at. And I'm sure there are

885
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:15.760
a lot of things that are vibrating
that we just can't see, either because

886
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.680
we don't have the proper instruments to
see them, or the proper mindset,

887
01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:26.640
and I don't know, you know
what it's going to take to sort of

888
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:32.439
break that paradigm to where we can
see these things and the unexplainable eventually starts

889
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:38.760
to become the understandable. But yeah, I mean, I'll give my time

890
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:42.199
to anybody else you'd like to add
on that. Well, what if we

891
01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:47.319
get to the point where we develop
AI that can synthesize some of these occurrences

892
01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:53.000
that are happening all around us all
the time and can translate those things into

893
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.560
things that we can understand. So
what if you know, our senses are

894
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.960
limited, but what if we can
develop sensors that can absorb this, uh,

895
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.159
you know, the these occurrences and
then translate them into things that we

896
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:10.239
can't Just like you would take a
night vision goggle and enhance the visual spectrum

897
01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:13.239
that you can see, or take
an infrared camera and enhance the spectrum that

898
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.319
you can see. You know,
what what if we can do that?

899
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:21.479
I mean, I don't know if
we'd want to do that. I think

900
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:27.840
we do want to do that,
I think, I mean, you know,

901
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:30.800
the more the more we talk about
this, the more it seems like,

902
01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:34.479
I you know, it's almost like
what a Tom DeLong sometimes says in

903
01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:39.479
a Louelazando hintside is that you'd be
somber if you really knew what the hell

904
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.680
was going on. Like, sure, I think this is a lot a

905
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:50.640
lot more complicated and just weird,
unpredictable and nothing that we've ever put on

906
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:55.239
the table as far as an explanation, right. But what's interesting is we're

907
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.640
doing this already, right, so
we're already kind of cybernetic in a way.

908
01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:01.920
The phones we all use, the
technology using right now is taking It's

909
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.960
just that you and I cannot do
on our own and our bodies. So

910
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:12.720
we're we're we're taking these baby steps
towards But that's the thing, right,

911
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:16.359
they're baby steps. There's not a
flick of the switch on. You could

912
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.600
see this thing that's sitting right next
to you, and it's fucking crazy,

913
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:26.439
you know, and you don't have
the filters to understand it, you know,

914
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.760
and it's kind of the taking a
million years to get to that filter.

915
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:31.960
Can I just yeah, please go
ahead, Luis. You make a

916
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:35.359
really good point. Most people can't, but you know, experiences would say

917
01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:40.399
otherwise. And that's where like I've
never had that experience. I've I've had

918
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.560
a couple of sightings. But for
people who say that they see beings literally

919
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.319
come through walls, or people that
say they've seen like ghosts at the end

920
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:51.840
of their bed, and people that
can have that sort of maybe those individuals

921
01:10:51.960 --> 01:10:57.520
have that switch or that filter that
and some claim to be able to use

922
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:00.720
it. I don't know so much
about that, but that that, potentially,

923
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:01.760
you're right is like most of us, if you want to call it

924
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:06.039
humanity, can't do that, and
maybe you've just got that small number of

925
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:12.840
people who do. And that's where
that maybe comes in potentially. But you're

926
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:15.119
right about the switch aspect of it, that we seem a long long way

927
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.880
away that we still need to tech
to allows to do a lot of the

928
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:21.239
stuff we want to do. That
me and Luise, if we want to

929
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.600
have a conversation, we have to
do it via phone or over this as

930
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.760
opposed to is there a way we
could do it like telepathically or you know,

931
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.079
I could telepot and be there.
Who knows where humanity goes in the

932
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.199
future. I mean, Dan that
it was something I was going to bring

933
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:38.880
up before, but you asked,
where's the evidence of the tech from crash

934
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:43.000
retrievals nineteen fifty two. We started
using fiber optic cables. In nineteen fifty

935
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.640
eight the computer chip was invented.
So there's two of them straight off the

936
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:48.319
bat. So for me, that
goes with Luis's baby steps. Yeah,

937
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:51.399
we don't have a full and tap
craft that we can fly about ourselves,

938
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.319
but what we got off the back
of it was computer chips and fiber optic

939
01:11:55.399 --> 01:12:00.960
cables to name two things. So, and the reason you know at least

940
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.199
that crash, Why do they crash? That's something I've thought about a lot,

941
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.880
and it's very human to think that
just because it can travel a great

942
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:12.960
distance or our change dimensions realities makes
it infallible. And I still don't see

943
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.479
any reason why why couldn't they crash
the odd time? Because you're right,

944
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:18.640
they shouldn't be doing it that often. But if you, if just give

945
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.399
me two more seconds, DJ,
sorry, I would think if you go

946
01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:26.680
back to when people first started sailing
across the oceans, and you could show

947
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.159
someone a sailboat, and no doubt
they crashed all the time. There was

948
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.680
shipwrecks, they blew over in the
wind, they fought each other, they

949
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:35.319
fell apart, And if you showed
someone now the aircraft we have and the

950
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.800
Tesla cars we have, they would
be like, wow, these things must

951
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.319
be incredible, the things they can
do. Yeah, they still crash hundreds

952
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.079
of thousands of times a day,
Aircraft still go missing, jet engines still

953
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:49.720
blow up, geese fly into stuff, and they would be like, surely

954
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:53.640
not. It would just so hard
for them to understand it. They would

955
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.439
still be so imperfect. And I
just wonder, is it human to think

956
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.840
that another race or species are base
of beings wouldn't have that same problem,

957
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.199
if we want to call it that
as a as a potential theat well,

958
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:10.359
the first thing that pops in my
brain is a Native American on the beaches

959
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:15.399
of the Eastern Seaboard getting a log
from a shipwreck and going, oh,

960
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:20.800
no, we have a problem.
No, like you, how do you

961
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:24.840
take a log back to the tribe
and go, look at this. This

962
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:29.600
is unusual, this shouldn't be here. I think something's coming, and everybody's

963
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:35.079
going, yeah, that's the point. Yeah, I was gonna get Dan

964
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.640
in. I had something. I
actually forgot what it was then, but

965
01:13:38.960 --> 01:13:41.560
so go ahead, Dan please,
yeah, I'll say. I guess it

966
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:44.920
depends on if you're a fan of
Star Wars or Star Trek, because everything

967
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:50.439
works in Star Trek. Nothing works
in Star Wars, so that might But

968
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:55.920
back to the consciousness connection. I'm
an engineer, nuts and Baltz aer my

969
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.840
thing. That's what brought me into
this topic. That's what I like to

970
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:02.439
obsess about. But listening to Grant
Cameron talk has kind of opened up my

971
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:06.840
aperture and made me start to consider
some additional things. And with the lou

972
01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:15.119
Elizondo talking about a link between quantum
physics and consciousness is another layer altogether.

973
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:20.319
So when I talk Andy, when
I think about computers, the most important

974
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:25.039
part of computer is the smallest part, the microchip. When I think about

975
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.239
our physical being, the most important
part of our physical being is our DNA.

976
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.880
The smaller you go, the more
important the building blocks are to the

977
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:38.920
final product. So I feel like
we're on the cusp of starting to drill

978
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:45.439
down into the quantum realm, which
is going to allow us to manipulate things

979
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:47.800
in a way that are going to
seem like magic to us now, but

980
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:51.039
after we figure it out, maybe
it won't feel that way. Maybe it

981
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:56.680
will allow us to modulate time forward
and backwards slightly. Which would allow us

982
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.560
to vanish into thin air from the
perception of someone that can't do that.

983
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:04.680
So that's that's my end. Potentially, the only way to actually interact with

984
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:12.359
the source code quantum is maybe it's
consciousness. Maybe that's how we interface with

985
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:16.720
the quantum levels of our work and
our reality. Okay, guys, I

986
01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:20.079
just want to I wanted to.
We got a altro Ashley. I just

987
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:26.279
want to ask people to uh follow
and communicate with the divine. Uh.

988
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:31.680
Is it at Divine Daisy Girl?
Yeah? Yeah, Okay, say your

989
01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:35.439
give us your give us your social
media Ashley. We want to hear you.

990
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:40.840
It's at Divine Daisy Girl. It's
literally just random. It's my dog's

991
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:47.000
name and I just wanted to random
name. That's what it is. Well,

992
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.479
thank you, thank you so much. We're gonna we're gonna let you

993
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:51.880
go and we're gonna let Andy go. But before we let Andy go,

994
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:56.439
I just want to say to you. You're really part of our initiative to

995
01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:01.000
not only bring female voices to this
uh, but also to bring people who

996
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:05.119
aren't known, who aren't content creators, don't have a podcast or YouTube,

997
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:10.560
but have interesting thoughts and questions.
And I think you demonstrated that here tonight.

998
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:13.880
Thank you so much for joining us
and bringing a great question to the

999
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:17.119
group, and I must stay thank
you all right, Well, thank you

1000
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:23.640
Andy, thanks as well. Yeah, Andy, uh the Also you know,

1001
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:27.479
I want to say on on air
here, congratulations to U c R

1002
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:31.840
Luis, Michael rather Andy Dan for
being on kg R A. We really

1003
01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:34.880
appreciate your time. Andy. We
had a good U. We had a

1004
01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:40.439
good one today and we'll continue.
And it really is an honor to be

1005
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:43.800
able to talk with you as much
as I do. No, thank you,

1006
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:47.239
I could have gone ours and and
just I think KG and also lucky

1007
01:16:47.319 --> 01:16:51.359
to have Luis's show and on my
show, so uh yeah, not to

1008
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.600
be vacated. But you know,
it's the communities made them what they ought

1009
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:58.600
and those guys do a really great
job over there as well, so all

1010
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:00.840
all the crinels of what goes into
them, so so yeah, but I

1011
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:03.359
know it's good to be on those
and listen. It's it's great to be

1012
01:17:03.439 --> 01:17:06.479
on this as well with you guys, and seeing Nathan kind of taken off

1013
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.479
and do anything from some of the
listener call ins to this is brilliant as

1014
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.800
well. So I wish I could, I say on longer and Luis.

1015
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.319
I enjoyed the chats as well,
on the crash retrieval stuff and the technic.

1016
01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:17.199
I could have done that for hours. We'll to do it one night

1017
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:21.359
on the when I've got more time, anytime. I hope you enjoy you

1018
01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:26.159
guys enjoyed the format, and we'll
we'll do it again. Yeah, cheers,

1019
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.600
enjoy the rest of the show.
Bye, Ashley, right, thanksving

1020
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:36.760
me, thank you. Okay,
So I think the only person left to

1021
01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:42.800
give a topic is Nathan. It's
me, yeah, alrighty here, we

1022
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:48.720
got the timer on myself here and
the time or control guy. All right,

1023
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.000
So I could go on this either
way with this. But the phenomenon

1024
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:57.840
doesn't care about human affairs. It's
interest in our nukes is not of our

1025
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:01.720
out of concern for us, but
rather for itself. If it has influenced

1026
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.600
the world's religions, as Tom DeLong
has stated, it has not done so

1027
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:11.199
purposefully, but rather it has simply
let us do the work ourselves. Because

1028
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:17.399
humans are meaning making biological machines,
we use the technology of language to tell

1029
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:23.399
simple stories in order to make sense
of a complex world. Our best storytellers

1030
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:29.199
end up becoming priests and politicians,
and throughout history we have grappled with phenomenal

1031
01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:34.159
experiences and crafted entire worldviews in an
attempt to control them. As such,

1032
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:40.079
if the phenomenon reveals itself to humanity
on a mass scale, we should all

1033
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:45.680
be very wary, because for so
long it has purposefully been evasive. If

1034
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.079
it comes out on the world stage, it is doing so on its own

1035
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:53.960
terms. Therefore, we must decide
how it can be trusted. If we

1036
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.600
are not careful, we will run
the risk of locking ourselves up in a

1037
01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:01.560
prison of our own design. We
are lucky the phenomenon will not be a

1038
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:09.720
singular intelligence. Any additional intelligent party
will allow humanity to better judge what is

1039
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.319
really going on. Regardless, we
must accept that we are operating at an

1040
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:21.199
asymmetrical disadvantage. And I hope I'm
wrong. How can we trust the phenomenon?

1041
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:27.600
Wow? I just want to say
before anybody talks down you guys,

1042
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:30.800
if you wonder why Nathan's my co
host because he has brilliant thoughts like that,

1043
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:35.039
please go ahead, Dan. I
don't know if I will personally ever

1044
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:39.359
be able to do one hundred percent
trust them. I think it would end

1045
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:45.159
up being what does the mass of
the population lean towards where more or less

1046
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:49.439
we live in a democracy, we
call it that still its mob rule.

1047
01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:54.119
It seems like more and more every
day. But that's going to be kind

1048
01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:57.840
of where the wind blows when it
comes to trusting this thing or not.

1049
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.079
There's going to people that are all
on board, and there's going to be

1050
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.720
people that never are going to give
it a chance. So we're going to

1051
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:08.560
see, just like every other aspect
of humanity, there's always going to be

1052
01:20:08.600 --> 01:20:14.359
a spectrum of responses. Do I
think that we're ever gonna across the board

1053
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.039
trust it? No? I don't
see that happening at all, And I

1054
01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.720
want to I want to yield my
time to exo academic Damien because he is

1055
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:27.800
the guy I just listen to his
podcast about this very thing, so it's

1056
01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.720
like he's the guy of all of
us that should be talking about this the

1057
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:36.920
most. But other than that,
I personally, until I feel like what

1058
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.000
you guys have said before, until
you have your experience and it touches you

1059
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.039
and you become a instead of a
believer, you become a knower, then

1060
01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:49.920
you're just speculating on what your response
is going to be. So I can

1061
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.760
say all day that I'm not going
to trust him, but if I have

1062
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:57.520
a Chris Bledsoe type experience experience,
there's gonna be a big chance, and

1063
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.079
I'm going to be like, look, she's been here since the Egyptian times

1064
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:04.039
and everything has gone great. Let's
see, let's just let's give her a

1065
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:08.760
chance. So it's going to vary
from just like everything else in life.

1066
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:15.319
Nice DJ, Yes, sir.
I just want to say the one thing

1067
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:17.279
that I wanted to bring out and
I just wasn't able to get in there.

1068
01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.439
That's interesting is the people who have
had the two most prodigious, most

1069
01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:27.279
interesting experience was Luise and Andy.
And it's ironic they have these two giant

1070
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:31.239
shows in our community and both of
them have had an experience that's very up

1071
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:36.800
close, very personal and was not
just a five second or two second thing

1072
01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:40.880
like I had. So I find
that very interesting. Louise, I don't

1073
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.960
know if you've ever thought about that, but you and Andy, Yeah,

1074
01:21:44.119 --> 01:21:46.880
that's a good point anyway. I
have to agree with what you said.

1075
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:51.560
I find that just like if this
if the way we should approach UFOs is

1076
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:57.239
we could use the life as a
metaphor that being somewhere in the middle,

1077
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.640
being somewhere in that gray where we're
open to what might happen and what we

1078
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:04.359
might be able to glean from them. But as Dan said, I'm not

1079
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:09.880
going to necessarily fully trust them.
I think that can put you in a

1080
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:13.960
dangerous situation. Uh. And so
I think that's where I would I would

1081
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.079
line up as I would be somewhere
in the middle on that, and and

1082
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:20.199
I would be able to say that, Okay, I'm open to communication and

1083
01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:25.319
see what you what can you prove
to us? We're intelligent beings as well,

1084
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.760
we can ascertain whether or not we're
being taken advantage of in some way.

1085
01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:32.640
And then at the same time we
also need to restrict what we give

1086
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:38.560
them access to. M got it, James, Yeah, I actually I

1087
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:43.239
did a video on this on my
on the Engaging the Phenomenon channel called the

1088
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.000
Phenomenon is Accountable. And what I
mean by that is that the phenomenon is

1089
01:22:47.079 --> 01:22:53.439
accountable and in a sense for our
perception of it, and you know,

1090
01:22:53.600 --> 01:23:00.159
because it's obviously advanced, you know
it. We shouldn't be putting ourselves in

1091
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:05.720
a situation where we even need to
trust the phenomenon. I mean, we

1092
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:11.920
just shouldn't put ourselves in that position. There's no reason to. And again,

1093
01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:16.039
if if the phenomenon, you know, let's you know, whether singular

1094
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:20.239
or plural, you know, if
we're talking about different intelligences and phenomena,

1095
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:25.880
you know, we have to consider, you know, do they have different

1096
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:33.239
kind of agenda so to speak.
And I think that, you know,

1097
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:39.880
our relationship with that has to be
you know, built on communication and experience,

1098
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:45.720
and that's something that's going to take
time. I think it's you know,

1099
01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:50.920
I'm open to the idea of contact. That's why I am into the

1100
01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:58.439
C five and everything. And even
oh we lost James, we'll get him

1101
01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:00.239
back his time when he comes back. There, he goes, James Gott,

1102
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:03.039
please continue. Now, I was
gonna say, even though I've I've

1103
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:08.680
had personally positive experiences, I can't
you know, I can't assume that it

1104
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:15.239
means that, you know, the
phenomenon is you know, overtly positive towards

1105
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:20.760
humanity altogether. Yeah, No,
there's it's it's a question. And yeah,

1106
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:25.760
and again we shouldn't try to just
come to conclusions based on such limited

1107
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:30.640
information and experience that we have all
together. Yeah, who can't presume to

1108
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:38.920
know right right, well I could. It seems like whatever the phenomenon is,

1109
01:24:39.960 --> 01:24:45.359
it has a huge ego, huge
ego, and that kind of worries

1110
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:49.600
me. You know, it's like
this idea that it doesn't care what you

1111
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:57.720
think. My biggest fear is that
it's just the reflection of us. It

1112
01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:01.319
is there is just as many opinions, there are just many hard heads,

1113
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:08.199
there's just as many staunch believers,
there's just as much chaos and conflict.

1114
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:12.319
That would be my biggest fear,
and that we're sort of being engaged by

1115
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:15.760
all of these things and there is
no order, there is no permission,

1116
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:23.239
there is no you get a choice. And I think that's terrifying. Yeah,

1117
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:29.199
that's terrifying. It's even worse than
you know, this idea we're fish

1118
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.000
in and ocean and when we get
caught and thrown back, like do we

1119
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.199
go back and talk to the other
fish about it? Like, it's even

1120
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.920
worse than that. It's like you
don't get a choice. You're in the

1121
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:43.880
net and it's gonna skin you and
mess with you and throw you back up

1122
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:48.199
in some cases as a carcass.
I don't like again, Like I don't

1123
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.760
know if we want to know.
I think it's almost like, you know,

1124
01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.640
do you want to take the red
pill, the blue pill and the

1125
01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.960
end or do you just, you
know, just eat your steak and drink

1126
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:04.680
your wine and and love your family
and just just stick to that, you

1127
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:10.119
know. That would be my biggest
fear. I think we all do want

1128
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:15.039
to know, because that's why we've
engaged with the Phenomenon to use James's moniker,

1129
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:17.319
So we all want to know.
We want to know. Otherwise the

1130
01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:20.640
people that don't want to know are
eating steak, they're having barbecues and like,

1131
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.359
who cares a bunch of wackos talking
about UFOs and we're and we are

1132
01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:30.039
those wackos. Yeah, but we're
not wackos. No, because because as

1133
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.439
as Lou said, it's not a
question of whether or not they're they're here.

1134
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.880
We now have to figure out why
they're here, what they're doing,

1135
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:39.439
what they want. But that we're
way he said, we're way past that.

1136
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:44.319
Or even like when mitchew Kaki says
it's on it's now in the government

1137
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:48.560
to disprove they're real. Yeah,
I wish I had a recording of of

1138
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:53.800
Lou saying Mitcheukaku because we could just
like do it like then Howard Stern show

1139
01:26:53.880 --> 01:27:00.399
playing like I love when he said
that. Mitchuk anyway, all right,

1140
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:06.119
closing statements, everybody, Let's see
Dan do a one minute closing statement.

1141
01:27:08.399 --> 01:27:11.000
I don't know what to talk about
except thanks for having me on. It's

1142
01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.319
good to see all these faces again. Nice to meet you for the first

1143
01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:15.520
time. James and Andy. I
know you had to cut out early,

1144
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.279
but nice to meet you in person. I've enjoyed listening to everybody's content that

1145
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:25.680
they've been producing. So it's been
a fun ride over the last let's call

1146
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:30.720
it twenty seventeen and on. Let's
hope for another continuing wild ride going forward,

1147
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:35.720
and just make sure that we all
remain humble when people approach us that

1148
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:41.319
are not knowledgeable as we are on
this topic, that we don't just dismiss

1149
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:44.920
them outright because they are not on
level with us. We need to be

1150
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:49.600
the teachers moving forward, the educators
moving forward as best we can. And

1151
01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:55.520
I hope that we all understand that
this is kind of the downer side of

1152
01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:59.560
this conversation. This is a temporary
thing for us. I feel like there

1153
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.560
are going to be people to pick
the torch up that are better. They're

1154
01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:05.119
better looking than us, let's face
it, guys, as well as better

1155
01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:11.279
video content creators, more thorough researchers. When when the general public catches onto

1156
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.960
this. So this is a moment
in time that we're sharing together as a

1157
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:18.399
community that will never be repeated again. So I appreciate it. I'm glad

1158
01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:21.720
to be able to share with you
guys and the rest of the UFO Twitter

1159
01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.520
community and everybody out there. So
just thank you for having me on.

1160
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:32.319
It is James, Yeah again,
Reno, really, thanks for having us

1161
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:35.640
on, Thanks for putting together this
panel, Thanks for you know, helping

1162
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:41.159
continue the discussion. Now, I'd
like to say, you know, although

1163
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:45.800
I guess you could say humanity is
being presented with this you know question.

1164
01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:51.760
Yeah, I'm optimistic, but I
like to look at it as an opportunity

1165
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:59.680
and even as an invitation of sorts. So I think that, you know,

1166
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:06.159
this problem can can be a great, you know, obstacle for humanity

1167
01:29:06.319 --> 01:29:12.359
to overcome together hopefully. Uh.
And I think it, you know,

1168
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:18.319
presents a tremendous paradigm shift, you
know, to quote Christina Gomez from Shifting

1169
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:23.039
the Paradigm, Uh, you know, in so many different ways, and

1170
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:28.520
so many different fastests and in ways
that we can't even technically perceive currently,

1171
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:31.840
and it's almost like the the next
phase of humanity. So, you know,

1172
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:38.319
I like to acknowledge an honor and
appreciate you know, everybody who's in

1173
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:42.039
a sense put their neck out there, uh, talking about the subject and

1174
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:46.199
researching and and and sharing, you
know, what they think to be valid,

1175
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:50.039
true information and uh, you know, carrying the torch. So thank

1176
01:29:50.079 --> 01:30:00.199
you everybody. Thank you, Jane
Louise, I just think thank you for

1177
01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.880
having me. It was fun.
It was It was a real blast,

1178
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:08.119
man. I mean, yeah,
those guys said it best. I've gotten

1179
01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:13.159
really nothing past that to articulate other
than thank you, thank you. Yeah,

1180
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.119
it was a lot of fun.
Nice. Yeah. I mean,

1181
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:18.560
this is an important conversation and I'm
glad that we're having it, and we

1182
01:30:18.640 --> 01:30:21.680
need to do more of it.
Right. We kind of tend to look

1183
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:27.680
at this format I think in through
the lens of sort of marketing or entertainment,

1184
01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:30.600
but in truth and particularly in the
day, in today's day, Uh,

1185
01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:34.560
this is a format that allows us
to connect. And connection is where

1186
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:38.720
we're going to solve this problem.
Uh. You know, community is where

1187
01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:44.640
we're going to solve this problem.
I was listening today to the the Lex

1188
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.159
Fret Fredman podcast with the Riza.
It was really interesting. I highly recommend

1189
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:49.800
it. If you like that podcast, check out that episode. But one

1190
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:55.399
thing that came to mind listening to
that amazing artist is that art is really

1191
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:58.840
this kind of it's an it's an
it's an alchemy. You know, art

1192
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:03.239
is taking the things that we know
about our world and it's refashioning them in

1193
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:09.000
ways that are very personal, that
lead to you know, sort of beliefs

1194
01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:13.039
and ideas and change the trajectory of
our civilization. And that's kind of what

1195
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.560
we are doing with the with the
crumbs that we have from the phenomenon.

1196
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:20.039
And you know, is that is
that guided or not? I don't know.

1197
01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:23.600
And maybe that's not the point.
The point is that we still have

1198
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:28.000
to figure out how we're going to
do this together, and I think we

1199
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.319
need to not lose sight of that
as we interact with each other, either

1200
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.760
on forums like this or on UFO
Twitter. But so grateful to have all

1201
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:40.600
of you guys on and let's keep
keep doing this. Yeah, so now

1202
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:45.880
you guys can clearly see why Nathan's
my co host right. I mean,

1203
01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:48.920
he's just so, he's just so
smart. I love it. He's everything.

1204
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:56.079
I'm not so so, but no, I mean, you guys know,

1205
01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:59.960
I have a very small contribution to
make in the community. I don't

1206
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:03.439
have a lot of areas where I
can offer something other than to just have

1207
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:10.600
a forum for discussion, whether that's
here or on Twitter spaces. My area

1208
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.439
of expertise is like that. As
I've told Nathan, it's like that cheesecake

1209
01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:18.239
and the healthy person at the party
goes up and takes the smallest liver and

1210
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.880
puts it on their plate, and
you're like, oh wow, that's like

1211
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:25.760
a quarter of an inch thick.
That's kind of like what I can contribute

1212
01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:29.479
with any degree of expertise at all. The rest of it, I'm just

1213
01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:34.039
listening. I'm learning from people who
are intelligent in these many other facets of

1214
01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:39.520
the phenomenon. And it is wonderful
to be able to connect with all of

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01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:43.920
you on different mediums that we communicate
on, and I communicate with you on

1216
01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:46.720
different mediums. But the fact that
I'm able to do that so I can

1217
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:50.279
get ideas, throw out some ideas, have them thrown back at me,

1218
01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:56.239
have me rethink those ideas and get
a greater understanding of what we're dealing with.

1219
01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:59.680
And only, as Nathan said,
together is how we're going to all

1220
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.119
figure this out. Nobody is going
to be the singular hole that's going to

1221
01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:06.520
figure that out. I also wanted
to just ask you quickly before I said

1222
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:12.479
goodbye, what did you think of
the timed format? It was cool.

1223
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:15.840
I wish I could make it a
little smaller, like a tiny time or

1224
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:19.720
tinier timer. The way share content
works, it kind of prevented me from

1225
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:23.520
doing that, but I thought it
was kind of nice, kept a little

1226
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.760
little snappy, you know. Yeah. I think we tend to hone in

1227
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.399
on one particular topic and it seemed
like it was crash retrieval this time.

1228
01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.279
So it almost seems like it should
be a little instead of random, a

1229
01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:39.199
little bit more focused, just to
get everybody prepared, because I think we

1230
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:41.279
all have a lot to say about
this. But that's a great point,

1231
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:47.319
like the short concise responses format.
Mm hmm, James, we're taking crash

1232
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:54.119
retrieval for action for crash Retrieval week
in response to your request. And obviously

1233
01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:57.359
that was the hot button topic,
but it wasn't the only topic. But

1234
01:33:57.479 --> 01:34:00.800
what did you think of the timed
format? It was it was good,

1235
01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:06.840
I do better off the time.
Thing like that just personally, but that's

1236
01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:13.159
just my my own nature. I'm
kind of just sporadic, So any any

1237
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.640
conditions like that personally for me are
restricting to to how I interact personally.

1238
01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:23.079
That's just my own You've been invited
on for you could have an hour and

1239
01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:26.039
a half of just saying, James
dying Doley. We've put that out to

1240
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:31.520
you, right, yeah, I
tried, right, I'm here, Yeah,

1241
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.039
to do your own exact absolutely,
James, I and Doley for an

1242
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:40.399
hour and a half and he can
talk for the entire hour and a half.

1243
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:44.439
But what what this was born from
is I think Louis saw when when

1244
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.359
Andy was on with Danny Sheh and
he talked for like most of their time.

1245
01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:49.399
So I was like, oh,
let's make a timer so that way

1246
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:54.800
nobody can do that. Yeah yeah, well no, the same thing happened

1247
01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:59.760
to me with Stephen Bassett on the
first Big Phone Home. Right, he

1248
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:04.720
cool, you know, he has
better things to say. But everybody,

1249
01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:09.399
I'm just saying I like it personally, Like as a viewer, I like

1250
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:15.800
it. But for me, the
way I operate. I'm like, I'm

1251
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:21.000
like, I'm going to be more
like off the cuff, so like that's

1252
01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:24.479
I mean, again, that's just
me. I'm like in a quantity,

1253
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:29.640
Yeah, well you're you're such a
I mean when you're when you're spreading the

1254
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:31.600
thoughts of the research, in the
in the stuff that you've read and the

1255
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:35.640
people that you've worked with, it's
a it's a much bigger plane than a

1256
01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:40.399
Cessna. You know, this is
like a crying to land and you mean

1257
01:35:40.439 --> 01:35:44.159
to give them the room to to
tell the story and give you the context,

1258
01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:47.439
whereas this is more you know,
just like make your point, you

1259
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.880
got a counterpoint, you got something
to add. Cool, it's quick,

1260
01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:56.039
it's movie. It's it's just different. But uh, James, you got

1261
01:35:56.159 --> 01:36:00.359
to come on the show this week
so we could we could pump up crash

1262
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:03.279
retrievement Crash Retrieval Yes, oh yeah, and yeah, I was just thinking

1263
01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:08.159
like, yeah, we definitely got
to do one with Andy Man. He

1264
01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:12.359
He's like he's there, man,
I love the ideas he's talking about.

1265
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:17.359
And I know I think Melinda Leslie
is is down for Crash Retriever week.

1266
01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:21.439
I was trying to get I was
trying to get in contact with Don Smidt,

1267
01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:28.279
who was huge on the Roswell case, although there's obviously some controversy there.

1268
01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:35.479
Richard Dolan is in Ross Culturt is
in UFO, Jesus is in Danny

1269
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:42.239
Silva, Joe Mersia, and I
know oh Sean Roush, Witness Citizen,

1270
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:49.319
Benny Adams at Disclosure Team, and
I believe Priscilla Quantum which and Artemis Prime.

1271
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:53.479
I think they're all into. Uh
So, there's a lot, oh

1272
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:56.159
man, there's there's so much,
you know, that can go on within

1273
01:36:56.279 --> 01:37:02.079
that realm. Yeah, I like
I said our invitations out there, Nathan

1274
01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:05.199
and I have said it on text, we'll say it right here live.

1275
01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:09.039
We would love to have you on
for an hour and a half to just

1276
01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:12.720
well, yeah, all of you. But yeah, I mean Dan's been

1277
01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:15.159
invited on a number of times.
Luis has been on twice. Dan's been

1278
01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:19.760
on once or twice, twice and
twice and James, we would love to

1279
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:24.319
have you on, and that's that's
an open invitation, but I want to

1280
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:27.319
make sure you know you're invited.
Yeah. Sure, I like to have

1281
01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:31.399
all you guys on my channel too, you know, and especially Dan.

1282
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:34.159
This is the first time I'm speaking
to Dan, I really love how he

1283
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:39.680
presents and articulates information, like he
says in a way where I'm like,

1284
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:44.159
that's solid. So I really appreciate
that. That's an attention, clear,

1285
01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:48.880
concise, to the point, and
easy to absorb. That's my goal inside

1286
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:53.640
baseball. Dan was riding in the
car with me. We were coming.

1287
01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.680
We went to the air base.
We went looked around the airbase, we

1288
01:37:56.760 --> 01:37:59.439
went shopping a little bit. We
went to have lunch, and he said,

1289
01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:01.399
man, I don't know if I
should be in there with these heavyweights

1290
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:05.039
like James I and Dolly and Andy. And I said, you one hundred

1291
01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:11.560
percent belong in this conversation with anybody
in the UFO community period. Yeah,

1292
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:18.279
absolutely appreciate it. Guys, this
conversation doesn't belong to anybody, definitely unless

1293
01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:27.800
your doctor Stephen Greer. All right, uh, but on behalf of my

1294
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:32.640
co host Nathan DJ Sam Marco for
calling all being saying peace out, one

1295
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:36.399
love and we'll see you down the
road. Take care, guys,