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This is Later with Lee Matthews the
Lee Matthews Podcast more what You Hear weekday

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Afternoons on the Drive, Joshua Piven
has been chased by knife wielding motorcycle abandits

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and that was just his ex wife. Dave Borgenicht has been surrounded by alligators,

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encountered bears, mountain lions, and
lots more. Together, they have

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teamed up for a book called The
Worst Case Scenario Survival Handbook the Apocalypse.

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It actually came out in nineteen ninety
nine. Guys, the original did.

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Yeah, this is the latest iteration, but yeah, the Worst Case Scenario

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Survival Handbok itself appeared in nineteen ninety
nine for the first time it has been

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ever since. And Dave was that
didn't have anything to do with turning over

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the millennium and everybody was scared their
computers were going to crash. Yeah,

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it actually it was certainly part of
that. It was also just our fascination

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I think with action movies and James
Bond film and wondering is that really what

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you do if you have to jump
out of a plane without a parachute,

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you know, can you catch catch
the guy? Can you catch jaws?

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How do you find up a shark? Really? What do you do if

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you encounter a bear? What do
you do if you need to jump from

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a moving car? And and we
set off to find experts who had all

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the answers to that stuff back in
ninety nine and have been looking for answers

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ever since. Have you been making
revisions along the way, Joshua, We

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have. You know, things obviously
have changed since the nineties. It was

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almost the pre internet era, so
definitely, you know, things have changed,

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and we've you know, done other
books we've updated the scenario is obviously

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the new book we deal with AI. We deal with robots, stuff that

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really kind of wasn't around back then. So we kind of focus on different

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apocalyptic situations, so kind of your
your normal run of the mill, you

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know, disasters, super volcanoes and
asteroid crashes, and then we also cover,

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you know, how to defeat the
supercomputers and defeat the robots and kind

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of deal with all the various contagions, but also rebuilding society. So it's

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kind of a mix of fun things. You know, it's zombies and it's

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uh, terrestrial is attacking, but
then it's also the you know, the

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real stuff that actually probably has a
greater probably greater chance of actually happening.

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Joshua Piven, David Borgenik. The
name of the book is Worst Case Scenarios

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Survival Handbook. Apocalypse Uh and josh
uh, Dave. Let's start with some

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of the things you go over in
the book, For instance, apocalypse proofing

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your finances. You know, there
was a time when everybody thought you had

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to put all your money in beanie
babies. Yeah, those they're they're adorable

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and cuddly. It might help you
better bunker. But uh but yeah,

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No, the first thing you're going
to want to do is go back to

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paper. The digital currency uh uh. You know that we're all pretty much

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involved in is not really gonna help
us. So you want to, first

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of all, just print out your
records online of your investments and make you've

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got uh you know you're avoiding digital
currency. You want to you want to

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try to hold some cash, but
not convert everything. You want to think

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about converting your your digital in investments
into things like land, into things like

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gold and hard goods, physical gold, maybe barbable items. We have a

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list of barbarable items that might be
good to stockpile in the event of an

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apocalypse or a collapse of the the
economic system, and that could help you

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use have extra currency like batteries and
chargers and water purifiers and things that are

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going to be valuable in the event
of a shutdown and Joshua pivot. I

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don't know if it's because we live
in a country where part of the year

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the tornadoes are trying to rip the
roof off of your house. Part of

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the year the prairie fires are trying
to burn your house down. Part of

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the year we have snow and ice
storms that are trying to freeze all your

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pipes. And then I'm intermixed with
all that as a random earthquake. But

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lovely wife has me putting safes everywhere
just in case in the storm, shelter

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in the closet. They're all fireproof. I mean, so how much of

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this needs to be hoarded in your
safe as well? Yeah, you guys

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do live. We have a little
rough over there, you know. I

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think you know, listen, the
safes are I think are useful assuming that

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they're fireproof. Now, just you
know, to be clear, they may

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protect papers and passports and things like
that, but you know, if you

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have like you know USB sticks in
there. Those are likely to be destroyed

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if there's a lot of heat,
so just you keep that in mind.

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But you know, we we do
recommend taking some of your important things,

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you know, passports, printing out
all your passwords for you know, all

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your digital accounts, your banks and
your investments, having that off printed out

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ready to go, put it in
a waterproof you know that could be in

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it can be in your safe.
But if you're you know, if you

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need to evacuate, you have to
have that stuff ready to go. So

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that's part of the part of the
list of things that we give you to

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have in your go bag, and
we kind of explain how to pack a

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go bag if you only have say
thirty minutes until there's a disaster. But

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certainly you know, if you if
you have if you have a safe room

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in your house during a tornado,
you know, it's probably a good place

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to be. But there's certainly lots
of other lots of other disasters where as

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safe is not going to save you. They are the authors of the worst

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case scenario survival handbook The Apocalypse,
Joshua Piven and David Borgenik Dave. But

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let's get into packing that go bag. Lovely wife and I have one just

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because we've been through some of these
things that I just described. But what

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we what we run into is throughout
the year, Oh gee, I need

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some deodorant. Let me go grab
some out of the go bag, and

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then we gradually depleted. Yeah.
No, you definitely want to make sure

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that you keep it up to date
and things expire. I act was given

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a go back by my mother back
when September eleventh happened. Uh, and

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it's still down the basement. But
I do update. I certainly did update

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during the pandemic. You want to
make sure you've got a gallon of water

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at all times. You want to
make sure you've got protein bars and flashlights,

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maybe a battery powered radio if you
can, If you got that dryer

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lint actually is useful to pack and
for starting fires, lighters and matches,

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water for purification, tablets, lots
of other writems that we lift in the

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book. But you certainly want to
make sure that you're taking a look at

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it at a regular basis, and
you know, deodorant maybe not as essential.

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Make sure you've got the fast bags
in the work gloves and the small

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mirror and compass and that stuff and
the duck. Take can't forget the duck.

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Oh, I never never never,
Yeah, Dave Borg and Nick Joshua

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Piven And the name of the book
is the Worst Case Scenario Survival Handbook the

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Apocalypse and Joshua defeating the robot Army. I mean, they're coming for us,

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all, aren't they. They they
are coming. And you know,

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it's like, when we pick up
this stuff, it seems like it couldn't

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happen. And then two years later, you know, the police are using

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robotic dogs in New York City,
So this, you know, this this

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stuff is real and we do,
you know, we we talk to the

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engineers and robot designers on how to
deal with some of this stuff. And

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you know, I think the main
thing is they all have a power source.

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So if you can find the power
source and disable it, obviously that's

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important. But you know, we
take you through. Okay, Well,

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maybe if you can get sand in
the gears to slow it down, right,

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or you can use tar, or
you can you know, get the

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robot to you know, get it
putting stuck in something like wet sand.

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You know, they have some of
them have trouble with scares you can kind

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of get away that way, although
you know, pretty soon, I'm sure

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the robots will be climbing stairs pretty
easily. But you know, we do.

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We do cover the robots and the
robot army, and you know,

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the the the source behind it,
which may be the supercomputer and you know

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create by as guy Net and coming
for all of us. So yeah,

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that's that's definitely one of the important
things in the future. I think that

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the most stageous ones are probably the
roombas. Yeah, yeah, the vacuums.

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The vacuum they look at it.
But you know, uh, you

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know, I went into a super
box store the other day and the floor

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cleaner was running itself, and I
thought, the robots are taking over.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, I go into Giant the supermarket and

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the thing is like going down the
aisles and coming right at me, and

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I was like, you know,
if this thing was weaponized, that's that's

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next for the shop. That's next
for the shoplifters, I think is you

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know, they're coming to the shoplifters
first, and the supermarter. Well,

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guys, what about all the robots. I mean, I gotta I gotta

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admit, we've got two roombas for
vacuuming, We've got one for damp mopping,

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and I've got a robotic lawnmower that
has all the kids in the neighborhoods

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spellbound when it's out there doing its
thing. Uh is it a good idea

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to have all these bots in your
house? I think I worry more about

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the data that's being sucked up and
what's being what's being done with it.

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I'm not I'm not worried that the
room bob is going to vacuum me to

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death in my sleep, But I
am a little I am a little concerned

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with the you know, the series
and the Alexas of the world just mining

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our data, and you know,
they're they're always listening, and who knows

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where it's going or what's being done
with it. And you know, all

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it takes is one nefarious actor out
there to uh, you know, to

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vacuum the stuff up. Dave,
I don't know you feel you feel safe

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with your roomba. I mean it
comes back to the power source thing.

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At the end of the day,
I can easily pick that up and take

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the battery out, and probably the
same with you know, the simple robots

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that we got today. I don't
think. I suppose some awesome hacker could

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go in there and try to trip
me, but it's not going to attack

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me. I was being facetious.
You know, it might attack your cat,

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yeah, my dog. It is
partially facetious, but for the most

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part very serious. The worst case
scenario survival handbook The Apocalypse, authors David

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Borghenik and Joshua Piven, have brought
it to us, and I thank you

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for joining us today. Guys,
thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews,

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