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All fun things are happening, Danny, fun things are happening. It's always
fun at Bill a fight, Well, it is fun, it is and
uh and then why is it that when we have friends that seem to be
evident tough moment, that's two of us have been laughing ourselfs sick over.
I wive you even wrote a parody song in two minutes. In two minutes,
yeah, the song by super Tramp was Yeah, what's the Stranger Dude?
Yeah? And I kept my lyrics to it for people that we know
they are having a tough time. But the thing, because we love these
people that we know, we mean them no harm. No. I learned
you're the commercial of the eighties where the where the dad with the mustache finds
he comes home in a blue shirt to tie and he finds drugs under his
kids. Beddy goes, who taught you how to do this stuff? And
the kid goes you all right? Watching you? I feel like, oh,
don't from you with the day to CNF you and Tommy, I learned
how to. I picked up that acquired taste, that that learned behavior of
making fun of people's You know what I shot in freud all you all you
pussies, And I'm gonna say this is pussies. Won't stand up and take
the blame yourself. I have been told by people, I got mirandomized.
You got nothing. You had it in you, folks. I just happened
to stoke the fire. That's it. You saw it. You liked you
saw that. I got laughs from people. You saw that we were laughing.
Dude laughs. Laughter. Laughter is like alcohol, right, It reveals
who you really are, it does. It does. Now. I feel
bad about this, but at the same time, it's just funny because I
kind of went, yeah, it fits. It makes sense that that this
is whatever was planned is not going to be planned. Fits. Yes,
I can look at I I don't know again, not to get all weird
again. I got weird last night on the podcast. Did you laugh a
little bit with Doug? Yeah, I was just talking about I think that's
contagious too. What's that getting weird from Dug? He draws the weird out
ladies and gentlemen, but your pop together better. This was not the that
wasn't it. I was just talking about, like, uh, just my
kids and doing stuff. But I feel like now you can you almost need
the ten thousand view, the ten thousand view foot foot ten thousand foot foot
view. That's what it is I'm trying to say of life, because you
can see all the bullshit that goes on and see it for what it is,
and you can kind of step back from a little bit. It's almost
like people who have talked about out of body experiences. I was able to
see Nikola Tesla. That's what I brought up last night. Nikola Tesla was
the inventor. Not the band. No okay, no, not the band,
not the car, not the but Nikola Tesla was the inventor and probably
the guy really invented radio. Not Marconi, who has an award named after
him, but him, and he was into he was more into frequencies and
waves. And he had a healing machine that many people don't know about,
and he tried to bring it around Europe and they squashed it down. But
his he and other side, yeah, he and other scientists believe that all
diseases ran on frequency, and if you hit it with the right frequency,
you could eradicate it. Okay. YouTube's got a bunch of frequency channels.
Okay, Well there you go. See what I'm saying. All right,
so there is some truth to that and everything runs on frequency and whatever.
But I uh, I don't even know where I was gonna go. Now
you lost it. I lost it. Well, you're talking about the moment
you had with your kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But there was
something with Tesla that I was bringing up on purpose, But I don't know.
You can just sort of see these things sort of unfold. Oh what
I was taking about the experience, Here's what it was, Nikola. Tesla
was a guy who what you would probably today call a hallucination. Okay,
so he was one of the few guys. What do we know about Thomas
Edison. Thomas Edison was one of these guys who goes He would just do
it and do it and do it and do it until he got it right.
I was just reading about him today Bible, okay, and how he
like he every time he failed, He's like, oh right, created a
new opportunity to try again. Nicola Tesla didn't have that. He had what
I can only describe as from the things I've read, hallucinations, where he
would basically almost daydream or hallucinate that he invented something, he was working with
it, there was a problem, and in the hallucination he would take it
apart and fix it, and then when he actually built it, there was
no problems. Okay, does that make you see what I'm saying? Right?
Start? So right, he could visualize it all from start to finish,
but he could actually he was there in the moment fixing it. He
could solve what the problem was, so he knew when he actually built it,
don't do this, do it this way and it will work. He
didn't have to go back to home deep there. There wasn't a million of
those fucking things. There wasn't a million, Like there wasn't Thomas Edison do
it and do it and do it. Uh. He was just a brilliant
but probably a hybrid being. I would almost feel like, right, So
I'm just saying that sometimes in life you can sort of step back and you
can you can see it. You can see the shit unfolding. It's almost
like you're way up high in an airplane and you see two trains that don't
each other coming around the turn and you go, oh, right, like
you can see it right? Well, you can see it with people,
well the guy we're talking about, and I just I could see couldn't you
see it? Kind of see it? You're like, hang on right?
Or really, even things in my own life with people in my life,
I'll go, I see what's happening here? But you got to learn to
step back, take nothing to personally, try to always be positive. And
if you have people you have a hard time dealing with, my suggestion would
be focus on those things that you like about the most, even even if
there's not a lot. Just focus on the thing that you like about them
the most, whatever it is. Maybe they make great cookies, I don't
know, but focus on that they make them with love something and I guarantee
you'll get a little bit more of that and less of the other. OK.
I love these people. No no, no, no, no no
no, That's just what I'm saying. I'm talking about just in jet I'm
not saying you don't love these people. That's not what I meant. I'm
just saying, when there's people you we don't want to deal with. Oh
yeah, I see, and we can kind of see in our mind.
How many times do we, like, like, okay, Tesla hallucinated how
to invent shit? How many times? How many times have you had an
argument in your head with another being human being and they're not there? It
never no, but it never it never came to be, never existed every
single day. Yeah you know what I tell them, I'll tell you what,
motherfucker. And you're like yelling at the mirror or yelling in your head.
It's a hallucination. Yeah. My neighbor came over the other day goes,
are you having a sports radio show? Because you've been talking for like
a half hour to nobody. Did he really? No, But I could
see it happened. I'm just saying, like everybody has done that. It's
the same thing. But it doesn't do you any good. My point is,
step back, start to think instead of arguing with that person, because
that makes you feel shitty, It wastes your time, You get nothing done.
All of a sudden, you've spent forty five minutes in your head arguing
with You're in a bad mood. You walk in somewhere, you carry that
back, but nothing has happened, not a fucking thing. It was all
up here because that's where life has lived in your head. And what I'm
saying is, instead of arguing with that person, go okay, you know
what, that person is really dedicated to their job and they do a great
job at it and I really appreciate it, and blah blah, and I
guarantee you have no arguments with that person, right, But instead we do
this other thing. And I'm saying, use the time to be like Tesla
and hallucinates. I don't know something that's gonna make the world better, please,
you need to work on the flip side. Though. Do you ever
have that person And we all know several of them in our own personal lives
go back to when we were kids that they weren't necessarily a bs er,
they actually believed their own bs I'm gonna talk about Braggett. I'm talking about
like, there was this one kid that I grew up with, and he
was kind of a geek, and he was known for being a geek,
and he kind of embraced it, right, and he lived in a trailer
park and nothing there's a thing wrong with those things. But he came from
very humble beginnings, and he kept saying, you know, after my paper
routes that I'm gonna buy a Corvette, okay, and he believed it,
like and it was like we had Ernie, you're gonna have to sell a
lot of papers, right, yeah, but he really like believe never happened,
but he really believed it. It was like, there's another guy I
know who's like, yeah, so on Florida. I'm going to Florida in
a couple of years. They hired me to run a plant. A couple
of years go by, Hey, well it was the pandemic. I couldn't
go down. So a couple of years, they're gonna bring me back in
about a year when it's over. And the year goes by, well they
haven't. They're gonna probably push it back another couple of years. A couple
of years go by, it's like, hey, you're gonna go in Florida.
Still, so you're bringing up a great thing and that this is a
great thing. But I'm not knocking. No, no, no, you're
not. It's dreams. And then we've I remember a kid. There was
this big fat kid and he's on the say it was the football team.
I won't say his name. I used to, you say, you say
that you learned being a dick being around me and guys like Be and Tommy.
I used to it was this heavier set kid, uh, smart guy,
honor society, but heavy set, and he was I used to always
sing shamoo every time I saw him, and I would go shamoo, shamoo,
and then and then and he once grabbed me, got hold of my
hand and like bent my fingers back really bad, and I'm just laughing and
I think he almost broke my finger. But I finally had to like punch
him in the ribs to get him to let go. But he was And
I remember once being on I got injured. I was sitting on the bench.
I was like practically trying not to cry. My ankle got so probably
got twisted the op like a right, and uh, He's sitting there going
you know, I'm the biggest, fastest, strongest, best looking person on
the team. And my tears went to absolute fucking hysterics. I couldn't stop
laughing. I couldn't stop laughing. I could not I just was laughing and
laughing in this guy's face. And he wasn't a bad look kid, but
he believed it, and I credited. And as I got older, I
watched what happened, and I knew his family a little bit, and I
went, yeah, all right, he went on. I think he went
to Binghamton and then to dental school and has a successful dental practice and probably
makes a lot of money. The best looking people come out of buy office.
Well, I don't know. The ball I can tell you is that
sometimes you have to have you got to put a little action behind it.
Yeah, I would, I would say inspired. Actually I want to buy
the Corvette. Well, okay, what's the plan. I'm here, I
got a paper route that's not going to get me to the corvette. But
if I get the paper route and then maybe collect the cans and I also
do another thing, maybe I can get to the Corvette. Each thing gets
you a little closer, is what I'm trying to say. Delivering papers from
the age of twelve to age like twenty five. All right, Well,
it's his full time job, I mean, through school and everything. Yeah
again, not knocking him, but I mean like he but he kept reiterating
it to a point where we're like, but there is that thing where you're
like, you're you're you want to say to somebody, buddy, this is
never gonna work, right, It's never gonna work, but you've gotta But
if you really believe in something and you put it doesn't even feel like work
when you're really pouring yourself into something. I really want this corvette. There's
other ways to make money, make more money. You fall in love with
the process. Yeah, you get into what I like to call the flow
stay where things just kind of flow and go right along. Speaking of that,
today, somebody came in here and uh, just walked in out of
the blue. The guy was like pacing outside, a guy I don't know.
I forget how old I am and how old I actually look. I
would say he was a little bit older than me, but I don't know.
And all of a sudden he and I was doing something, and uh,
he kind of opens the door and it's like should I be quiet?
Kind of you know, the more of the hand motions like like this,
and I said, uh. I look at him and goes, uh,
what is this? So excuse me? He goes, what is this?
I said, this is where I do my podcast. All right, I'm
new, I'm new here. I said, okay. Now, for some
reason, the guy had the mannerisms of a prisoner, like you know what
I mean. He came in, he was loud, he was kind of
loud, and he was standing and I didn't. I for whatever reason,
something in me said, I'm not getting up. I'm not engaging with this.
I'm just not I'm not getting engaging. So I sat there and I
was and he goes, so, uh, people can rent it. I
said, no, this is for my podcast. Yeah, but I mean
people can also rent it. And I said, no, it's mine.
I do my podcast here. And I said another project that I'm working on.
Well, what's this, pointing at the other microphones that are around the
studio like here and here, I'm showing them on the cameras. We'll have
some other guests in a while, and I said, I go. He
goes, you get guests and stuff. I have other guys to do the
podcast with you, all right, I'm from Brooklyn. I said, I
don't say anything. I'll tell you what, man, people around here,
there's something to tell you about the people around here. And I'm like,
so, I'm doing the math in my head. I'm going you're a guy
who looks to be over fifty five. You moved here now the only way
you moved here from Brooklyn, Okay, And you made a point of saying
I'm new here. At fifty five, you're usually only new somewhere if you're
moving to be closer to family, or you get possibly got transferred by a
job. But usually at fifty five, you're either winding down your career or
your They have you as the CEO and they go, listen, man,
we need you to fix Rochester and can we're gonna put you there? That
guy didn't that. That wasn't this guy. I could tell. So I'm
going, all right, So I'm just listening, and I'm going I have
a feeling that this dude there's a halfway house here. I don't know where,
but I think somewhere there's a halfway house and he's out of prison.
That's what I'm thinking. And he doesn't because he's going, I'll tell you
people around here a little different, a little different around here, and he
goes, I'm just trying to get out and uh meet some people. You
get to know, get to know people or something. Well, you just
walk in a place and go, what is this it's not how you get
to know somebody unless you're in prison. Well you know what I'm saying,
it's like prison matters. And I'm thinking to myself, Yes, people,
I don't think that wouldn't fly in Brooklyn either. No, you walk in,
go what's this and get the fuck outs what it is? You know?
I mean, I'm like, so I just sit there and he said,
uh, so you got a card for me? How do I listen?
And I said, no, I know. He goes, well where
I find it? I go, It's called Billified. It's on the wall
right behind me. I said, anywhere you get podcasts, from Apple to
Spotify to s Breaker to wherever Amazon. Let me take a picture of my
memory's bad. So he takes a picture and I just sit here and he
turns around and leaves, and I'm like that, let's say it's like,
let's tell you it was a female owned business or something. He comes walking
in. I'm just trying to make friends. People are straight. Yeah,
I know there's a haircut, but yeah, but I'm just saying, like,
and I know that not that, but yeah, you don't understand what
I'm saying. I'm like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, you
come in. What is this? What do you do? Anybody can do
it? What do you mean anybody can do it? Well? You rent
it out? I go, No, I don't rent it out. I
don't. I don't want to. I don't need to. It's like,
but it was, it was just interesting. I'm watching this. I go,
I have a feeling, and I would love to now now I'm on
a mission. I want to find this guy again and go, Okay,
when'd you get out? That's what I want to say, right when when
they release you. Yeah, that adds up, I mean because of it.
Yes, it just it just makes too much sense. I mean,
you know, when you see something out of whack, like what's wrong with
this picture? And we encounter it about ten, eleven, twelve times a
day, we just don't We're just so busy with ourselves that we don't,
you know, explore it, or we don't have the time. But I
mean, you're sitting here. It's like a fishbowl. Really, if you
sit down here, folks, it's like a fishbowl. People just walk by
here all the time and they peek in and they wave. We may never
talk to these people. It appens during the show all the time. You
just wave and say hello, and then they wave and they go back by
again and that's about it. So there's really like I could see this guy's
kind of hanging out. Well, you don't serve food, you're not cutting
hair, you're not building stuff. Well you're not a law I always say,
it's a unique thing. Yeah, you see you a picture, took
a conference table with mike, phones, cameras, lights, a big wide
window, giant screen TV on their logo on the back. Oh yeah,
what is it? And I have no problem with that? Hey man,
what is this way different than what's this? What's thish? Okay? Anyway,
there was a shooting. Something happened at Pittsford Wegmans. We're gonna I
don't want to know anything. I have purpose did not look at this.
I have three scenarios in my mind as to what may have happened. Deputy
Hurley from the Monroe County Sheriff's Department, he's also the basically the spokesperson for
the Sheriff's department. He will come on and update us, but I'm going
to run my scenarios by him first. He's recovered from the eclipse. Yes,
I think you recovered from the he went on vacation. He was on
vacation last week. I know that. So we will talk to him.
Then the guys from if you ever watch Discovery Channel, excuse me, Discovery
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Empire Drags. We will talk to the guys from Empire Drags and tell you
how you can be there. Get tickets to this. It's a big event.
It's a really cool thing to see. And in the top ten I
believe for the street outlaw racers, there are two women in the top ten.
Oh wow, yeah, which I find really impressive. And maybe that's
maybe I don't know if that's misogynistic or not of me, but I go,
that's pretty damned but I like it. I like it. My neighbors
named one of their dogs Jesse, after this famous female racer who was trying
to set the speed record a few years ago, and unfortunately she passed away
in doing so. But I mean, there's a lot of women. There's
a lot, right, There's a lot of women who race all the time
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mean, it takes a lot more than that, but you got to have
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Hey Bill, Sorry I didn't say hello earlier. You know I'm gonna
tell you something, And I've always believed this. Finally somebody said it,
and he said it on your fucking, god damn podcast, and right fucking
if you look at the off top through reports, nobody ever talks about this
Ron Goldman fought his fucking ass off. From what I understand, his defensive
wounds were every phone in both hands was fucking broken. That guy fucking that
dude, she fucking fought his ass off. And again O J comes out
with a scratch on a finger from cutting a glass in a hotel in Chicago.
I don't know, bro, I'm just saying this, Ron Goleman fucking
fucking the fucking his ass off. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
you come up with me with a knife, you might get me. You
know you ain't getting the cut on your fingers. And be sure to like
and subscribe to Bilifysapple. That's right, It's interesting. I mean it was,
Uh. He always leaves voicemails. I appreciate h that guy, Vinny
Wonder be there. I just I just have a gun and rock thing.
No, now, you got me to train of thought. But I mean,
yeah, it's my father always insisted that somebody else did the die think
I think, and the prosecution never explored it because if you think about it,
I mean OJ was definitely responsible. If he didn't commit the killings,
he was definitely there when it happened. But like the fact that Rob Goldba
had all those injuries and he's half Ojay's age. Oj was forty six,
he had arthritis. I mean, for crying out loud, you mean to
tell me that Oja was able to like pull this off by himself. No
way, Yeah, I guess that's Yeah. I'm starting to come around on
that theory truly. Like I really am starting to believe now. The whole
mob thing I don't buy because the mob doesn't handle things. Yeah, it's
clean, it's quick. They just pulled right up to you, like let's
say, in a supermarket and then they go right. That's what I was
afraid was happening here today. I wasn't getting up. I was just sitting
here. I don't know what the fuck's happening. Uh, let's speaking of
guns. Yeah, something happened in Pittsford. We're calling Deputy Hurley. We're
a little bit late for Deputy Hurley, but I think I think it will
He'll be kind enough to come on and hopefully give me let me run my
scenarios by him. Deputy Hurley. How is vacation, sir? It was
fantastic. Yeah, after the first day the eighty two degrees. Damn,
I know, right, yeah, all right, I'll tell I'll take that.
I mean, after the eclipse, it had to be exhausting. I'm
so glad that. No, I'll tell you what people listened for a change.
That's what I think. Yeah, yeah, that was nice for sure.
So something happened in Pittsford today. I don't want you to say what
it is. I want to run what went through my mind when I when
I saw something flash across my phone. Pittsford for people who don't know,
it would be like Kenny Bunk, Maine, Alexandria, Virginia, Carmel,
California. It's Pittsford. It's nice, it's it's clean. It's not Malibu
where a little you know, a little chic. It's a little more but
established old money more or less would be how I would describe Bosun. And
I would say, that's not where shootings and things happened. And there was
a shooting in the in the Wagman's parking lot. At least was what flashed
across my phone. Is that correct, Deputy earlier? Okay, so here's
what I thought. I go, Okay, here's here's what I think could
have happened, and one of three things. Uh So, one of the
Pittsford ladies that lunches saw a gun, thought it was very cute, and
she had talked to her friends and everybody's not feeling very safe these days.
So she bought this cute little gun and she had it in her Kate Spade
purse and she was coming out loading her groceries and it fell out, went
off accidentally, and it took out the tire of a wagon ear two rows
over and it made a loud boom when the tire just exploded from this unexpected
bullet. Is that what happened today in Pittsford? No, okay, all
right, all right, okay, hang on, here's here's my other here's
my other one. Uh. Some Now, I think that Pittsford is one
of the few towns in our area where I would say women are more likely
to cheat on their husbands than husbands are likely to cheat on their wives.
And yeah, and I say that because, uh, there's the women that
lunch that live in Pittsford. They got a lot of time on their hands.
Yeah, right after the workout, they get their glass of wine and
their husbands are usually probably working a lot, busy, got other things.
And then when they're done, after their stressful jobs, the last thing you
want to do is hear about their stupid day. So they don't really talk
to their wives. Pure cocktail. They want to go play golf, They
want to do so, they want to blow off steam. They don't want
to listen to her. So she has been having an affair and the husband
found out, and uh, he followed them to the Pittsford Wegmans because that's
where she was going, and that's where she meets. She meets Andre,
the yoga teacher. Yeah, yeah, Andre the teacher and the j At
the end of the Andre Andre and so Andre, so they meet, they
meet in the high end bread isle where you have like the monk bread and
stuff the eight dollars a low bread bread alone. And so now, uh,
he's out in the parking lot and he sees this and he just fires
a warning shot in the air, Andre, stay away from my wife.
Was that was that the case today? Well, I think I would say
that, uh, law enforcement is not a career that you should pursue.
However, romance novels and up operas may be good. That is then the
other thing I thought. The third thing I thought, Deputy, was that
I thought possibly people have had it with the high prices. If I remember
Father of the Bride with Steve Martin, he was just wanted he didn't want
eight hot dog bunds. He wanted six hot dog bunds, six hot dog
bugs, right, I remember this movie vividly. But somebody at the Butt
Company and somebody at the hot Dog got together had said, let's rip off
the American public. They saw twelve buds at eight hot dogs. Now people
are getting sick of the high prices. People were talking about how the percentage
that it's gone up just since the beginning of the year, with groceries and
things, the cost of eggs. All this is somebody had just snapped and
they went to Wegmans and they just fired a warning shot through the window.
I don't think that one is accurate either. Unfortunately, I can't rule anything
out because we're not clear on what the motive is. There you go,
I can tell you is there was a gentleman waiting, we believe, waiting
for his groceries to be delivered. How you pull up ever since COVID and
they'll bring in your groceries to you. Yes, and another vehicle pulled up
and fire shot at his vehicle. Oh, and then that vehicle took off.
Uh. You know, we're canvassing the area. We're checking surveillance footage,
the traffic cameras, all that to track down where the car went and
try to figure out who this person was and why they did what they did.
But okay, you close, I'm going to scenario two. I'm going
back to scenario two. Andre's picked up his groceries, Andrea the yoga teachers
picking up his groceries, and this guy came out. It just fired a
shot right into uh, right into the right into the wall there. No,
I know, I always tell you in law enforcement, we can't rule
out anything until we can prove it. So that may be true, but
I can't confirm or deny yet. Okay, sounds like a mob hit,
it does. It does sound like a bit of the Sopranos. Yeah,
I mean, the thing is like like we always say, that just doesn't
happen right in the greater in that area, and so when it does happen,
it's big news. I mean, and and and from time to time,
unfortunately, bad things have happened right in that area. It was nineteen
ninety three when a girl I went to college with went to the ATM and
got a car jacked right right pretty much at that same location. So it's
right. And this is what's tough for my spot has been talking with people.
You know, you hear from people all the time, well that stuff
doesn't happen here. Well, yes it does. It's just you don't hear
about it as much. You know, burglary still happen, Karl larseny still
happen. You know, especially on the West Side, you get a lot
of people that they're like, well, I live way out here, we
don't lock our doors, and please lock your doors. Crime of opportunity.
Eventually someone is going to come and try to go through your house or through
your car, so lock everything, you know. So it does crime,
crime, doesn't you know, discriminate. It happens everywhere. Yeah, it
does. And I would think that this sounds targeted, does it not?
Yeah, I mean it definitely does. Like I said, it's hard for
us because I I don't know what happened and we're not one hundred percent sure,
So I don't want to commit to anything but from a common sense point
of view. Looking at it, You're like, right, it's it's at
one car. It wasn't random. No, you know, violence anywhere else
that appears to be targeted at this one vehicle. Now the question becomes was
this a mistaken identity? Was that they ran it one person? There's a
lot of factors that can still play into that, and we need to figure
out. That's why you are the law man just a schmuck on the podcast.
Well, but you know what, it's funny. You have these theories
and you are, you know, contemplating what happened, and it's a lot
of what we do. You know, we let the facts lead us to
where those theories go. But everybody is human, and you sit and you
go, I bet this is what happened. And then you start looking into
it and you're like, no, I was wrong or I was kind of
right, and you know, so everybody has their little theories. But I
was hoping it was a lady that lunches, that just got the gun because
she thought it was cute and would keep her safe, but never went to
the range, never got a lesson, never did anything, and then she
dropped it and shot out a Wagoneer's higher. I just kind of when I
was not the case, but I don't know. After that, I was
pulling for the yoga instructor just because you know, yes, any kind of
bad gun publicity is never good, so kind of yoga? Yeah, how's
that? What other the what other things are happening in the wide world of
the sheriffs. I was down there today. I did what you're doing at
the courthouse. Oh yeah, yeah, I was down in your neck of
the woods, right out by the courthouse, asking people. I can I
can, Well, I'll play one for you, and you tell me what
this person was. What you know? Mind just like no, no,
please, I just I'm I'm waiting for it. It must be a good
one. No, it's not just I just asked a series of questions.
I'm hoping you can hear it over the phone. And I asked a serious
of questions. And then you have to say why this person is at the
courthouse, and I'll give you some multiple choice Okay, okay, right here
we go. Let's see what we got. What was hanging on? Uh?
One second, Oh, I don't want to do that. All Right,
here we go. I didn't have an update what's your first name?
Elizabeth? Ty? Elizabeth? I'm Bill. Who is the vice president of
the United States? Is it Camilla? Something like that? Commilly? Who
did Taylor Swift write a disc track about on her latest album? Was not
Kim? You're right? How many stripes are on the American flag? Eight?
Who are the current American idol judges? What's heavier? Pounder of bricks
or pound of feathers? Alight? She believes a pounder feather there's heavier than
a pound of bricks. Could you hear that? Yeah? No, that
one I heard. Did you ask who the president was? Is that the
first one? I asked her? Who the vice president was? Parker Boys?
Okay, she got that, she did. She didn't know the Taylor
strip but she she did say Beyonce. Not a bad guess, Not a
bad guess. Yeah, culture all right, yeah, So what do you
think Elizabeth was doing at the courthouse? Deputy Hurley? Do you know Elizabeth's
last name? Because I can tell you real quick. No, I know,
all right? Wait, wait, I said I'd give you multiple choice.
Was she there? Was she there to answer a summons? Was she
there in support of someone? Or was she there to visit someone in jail,
which wouldn't be at the courthouse. So that's good. That's kind of
a trick question. That's a trick question. Give multiple choice. Let's see,
so she was willing to talk to you, she's very friendly. Let's
say she's there to answer something, answer something, Stanny, I'm gonna go
with b B. Support. Yeah, support person. What are you doing
at the courthouseles, she's here to support her. She's there to support her.
Man. All right, and there you go, Deputy Hurley. Thank
you for always playing with us. You're a great sport. This is I
hope you Originally when when you said you were talking about Pittsford, I wanted
to make a joke and say, that's why it's not where life's worth living.
Right, Yes, that is web that's Webster, life's worth living.
Has it happened in Webster? That's true? No, no, no,
not at all, even as white House. Now all right, well,
thank you, Deputy Hurley, and I'm glad you're back on vacation. Will
be bothering you more often clips All right, thanks, all right, there
you go to be early. D anyone do another one? Yeah? Absolutely?
I love these. See by the way, she did not get the
vice president right. She said Camilla, not Kamala Harris. By the way,
it's not like it's Oprah. It's not a one named person. They
have a full name. All right, Well, here we go. What's
your first thing, Bobby, Bobby, it's Bobby next? Who starred as
Dalton in the original I can get the uggs, but not her legs.
She didn't want to be identified. No one would talk on camera, so
I had to put the camera downright, I'm sorry, I'll put it back
here, I'll put it over it. Who started as Dalton in the original
Roadhouse movie Roadhouse? They just redid it on uh Prime? Okay? How
many stars around the American Flat? How many stars? Third? Teen stars?
Thin or thick? Crust pizza? What does Kanye's new wife's name Jaka?
What is the capital of New York State? Albany? Yes? And
what are you doing at the courthouse? Okay? So Bobby knew everything she
did. Yeah, for the most part. For the most part, she
didn't get the She got the Roadhouse questions. The stars are fifty, the
stripes are thirteen. Yeah, so she didn't get that right. But so
what do you think what is she doing at the courthouse. I think she
is there. Uh two, I think she's she's answering a ticket. She's
answering a ticket. Yes, all right, answering a ticket. Here we
go. Let's see if Danny's right. I'm supporting. I'm supporting, supporting,
she's supporting. Yeah, yeah, guys, why don't you sit down.
We'll do one more round of this. Sit down and you can put
the headphones on. The guys. I's from Empire Dragger here. I'm so
excited because they got the street out laws, no prep coming. So all
right, I haven't uh you know, you're gonna have to get right into
the micro right in there. Yeah you go. Hang on, here we
go, now talk talk, Am I talking? Steve's just here to look
well, Steve, Steve does look good, look pretty. I've heard things
to you. Oh look at this works for Castle, the whole thing.
All right, here we go. Last one, what you're doing at the
courthouse. Give me just your first name? Patrick, Patrick. It's not
you, Patrick, It's not not Patrick from Empire all right? Who is
the Vice President of the United States? Tom Lairicks, Who did Taylor Swift
write a disc track about on her latest album no clue how many stripes are
in the American flag? Twenty one? Who are the current American idol judges?
Judges? Now I feel bad because he'll drop comedian here, and I
think he was thinking America's got talent with how he mentioned the median there was
Yeah, when I throw, when I throw out, he gets one,
Luke Bryant, oh Na, Lino, Richie, you got it right,
okay? And what's heavier? Pound of bricks or pound of feathers? And
what are you doing at the courthouse? So he got pretty much all of
them right, Patrick was at the courthouse. He's got them pretty much all
right, except for twenty one stripes or twenty one strips, Yes, that's
what he said. All right, I need to know who the disk track
was. So we'll start with you, Steve. What do you think this
guy was doing at the courthouse? What are the options? The options are
he's there to support someone, okay, he's there for a DWY, or
he's there for an appearance ticket for a sault. Oh support somebody? That
doesn't sound support somebody? Okay, Patrick, what do you say? The
cell can be anything? So I'm thinking it was an assault charge, an
assault charge, Danny, I'm gonna say child support, child support. I
forgot that, I forgot. And here we go supporting somebody baby mama.
There you go. So boring. I know it is so boring. I
remember one time what I did this like ten years ago. This I got
like a ten minute story out of a guy. All right, so check
this out. So here's what happened, right, So my neighbor and I
had a little dispute over something that happened and I found out that he was
poking my mama, and I mean it went on, and so I just
ran out of tape. We will take a moment, and when we come
back, we're gonna talk to Patrick Rick and we'll talk to Steve about the
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Do you think you gotta come? And Jdi partner Robinson A finish by
train to lin It's next three no prepp in on this track you no matter
what's slaying, you gotta steal going where else in? I catch you with
sixty now you hit it out of town. It's the theme from Discovery Channels
Street out Laws, No Prep King. Did you know they had a theme
song? I did? It's enough to get you fired up. It is
enough to get you fired up cars, It's enough to get fired out.
How could you hate cars, can't Patrick, Patrick does like a little bit
of everything. Do you do a little bit of everything? At the track?
I always see you, like making sure that this that's prep right,
making sure the sticky stuff's down. I do no prep. Guys want right,
you do that? But then everything it's I'm the only full time employee.
Yes, So if there's something that Jerry's need, I do it.
If I screw it up, and then they just you know, put up
with me, it's a pretty good relationship. It's very good. Equipment anything
motorized tractors, yeah, very good. Yeah. But does he wait?
Patrick? I was just gonna say, but do you have a car you
raced there? I used to Okay, I got it. Uh you know,
it's funny you say that I didn't. I shouldn't have hit below the
bell, just making a joke. It took it took selling the car to
pay off the debt that I put a business into the reef. You know
what I mean. That happens. Yeah, I got too invested in racing
and it took a toll. And uh so I ended up selling the car
to a guy in Greece and Athens. So we shipped the car there.
Really, what kind of car was this? It was a two chassis.
It was like a like a junior pro Mood at the time it was promodified.
It was like a pro modified chassis with a slightly smaller engine. Holy
crap, is that go on over in Athens? Greate? No, I
understand it's all over the world. But are they doing it at the coliseum?
Do you know what I'm saying? Can you race around the coliseum?
How great would that be? It'd be awesome, It'd be awesome. What's
interesting? Yeah, well you just have a drag racing car. Yeah,
we just needed straight away. Yeah, right right down. I think that'd
be you just tear right through the colise. So he snapperrolled the thing at
one hundred and ninety in Santa Pod in England. Yeah, how did you
find out? I saw him at a trade show not too much later,
and he said to me, if I give you some if I tell you
where I broke the car, can you cut me some new pieces put it
together so I can basically staple it back onto this one? Really? You
know in a prejube fabrication I don't, but I owned a fabrication shop with
a partner Okay, so it's kind of like Empire Dragway. I've got an
eye for things and an understanding for things, but my hands don't necessarily communicate
with my brain. So well, I got you. So I work well
with others. Yeah, you're like Steve Jobs. Yeah. No, I
mean in terms of like, well, seriously, a lot is smart.
But no, but the idea is right. He was all about I don't
think he built an iPod no, but he had the vision anything, but
he had the vision I want a bunch of songs in a little box.
Yeah, go, you're fired. No, but I mean, but my
point is like you can see what it is and how it'll work and how
it goes together. But you just yeah, that's awesome. It was a
good time. It was a good time. I had five full time employees,
and for a while it was a role or a good role. We
had a few World Championship cars that came out of there. Wow. We
built a three second pro mode way back in two thousand and four, So
okay, I mean it was pretty quick for the day. What was the
speed again? That went three trying to think three nineties at one hundred and
ninety. But they'd be one under eighty hundred ninety miles an hour, No
four. Yeah, so we we had a lot of fun we did.
Did you go overseas and alder to do any of this? Just Canada?
Just Canada? Okay, well that was my international international. I'll take it.
Put it on the resume. I'm putting on the resume. And then
Steve Mills I've known since the radio days and he works at Castle but his
son is a nut and but builds really great cars. Good enough getting that
microphone? Will you, Steve? I know you can't see me with the
Canada, but what do I know? What do I know? You know,
Pat has been a big influence to Josh and putting them on the path
to craftsmanship and things like that. That's just nice work. I mean,
it's a it's an impressive little thing he's got going on there. And again
I'll test a bit to him and some of the things that he learned,
and that when Josh crashed his car a year ago, yeah, one hundred
and eighty eight miles an hour into a wall, whoa other than other than
a my own concussion. Everything did what it was supposed to do right,
and a lot of that what do you have in there, like a harness
and the roll cage. Yeah. It was a car certified to six flat,
so I had a full funny car cage and all the other different stuff.
When you say different stuff, they don't usually have air bags in there.
Oh no, I mean so just to let people know, right,
if you're not familiar that there's no air this is right. But usually you've
got the head restraints sometimes depending on the speed, I know with nask you
know all like race cars and stuff. Helmet yep, yeah five. So
he had to hit that pretty hard to get it. He got all of
it. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't there, but he got all of
it. He Yeah, it destroyed the car, but the cage area stake.
Were you standing there, Steve? Oh no, I got a phone
call. I don't travel with him. I had to stay in town.
Oh ok, yeah gotcha. Oh this was out of town. Yeah,
it was in Ohio. And I got a phone call from a buddy of
mine and it was like seven thirty eight o'clock and you call him, I
go, I answered the phone. I go, if you're calling me,
and I knew he was, I go, if you're calling me at this
time, something ain't good. Yeah, he goes, yeah, no,
and he goes Josh had a little incident. I go, how bad?
He goes, Well, he's okay, okay, go and the car junk.
Just to I don't want to pry too much, but how much money
is in a car like that for people who aren't familiar with that dragon If
he was to sell that car at that point, probably pissed away seventy thousand
dollars. Oh, you got to keep in mind that because Josh does so
much of this stuff himself, it's it's hard to put it's hard to quantify.
Yeah, the money is what might be a quarter million dollar car retail,
right, he could throw it together because it's his free labor. Yeah,
you know, for a different price. Yeah, but even at seventy
I mean that's still like how many people are driving around with a seventy thousand
dollar car, I mean on the streets. Yeah. And then the car
that he replaced it with, that he built last year, again with some
of his guidance, we probably could sell the right person for what do you
think one hundred and twenty five? I have no idea what what what that
car would be worth, to be honest, with you. It's it's state
of the art ship. It's a good piece. Wow, what are you
gonna say, Danny? By the way, like, if you're call somebody,
let him know that there's an accident, that the person's alive. Lead
with the person's alive. Well, you've got to understand when you live this
life and you've been doing it, I've been with this stuff for years.
Okay, it's never, it's never if it's yeah, and especially again,
the vein of what my son does is this outlaw style stuff. So you're
taking you know, are you familiar with drag racing at all? Yes?
Right, slicks this bag? You know, Well, what he does is
trying to put about twenty five hundred horsepower to the ground and I tire that
why yeah, yeah. And when you're talking slicks, you're usually it goes
bad, no tread like you know, just for but you just know that
it's going to happen. Well. And the weird part is when you're at
it drag race and I hadn't watched a whole lot of drag racing, and
I'd rather be behind the wheel than actually watching it. To tell goddamn,
was that fun? But to see everybody. When somebody loses it and goes
either into a wall or into the they start sprinting as soon like these guys.
It's almost like, you know how like animals sense an earthquake, Yeah,
before anybody else. Right, So you're standing there watching it, and
all of a sudden you'll see three guys start springing. What the fuck?
Oh my god, I don't know what they saw, but something like is
am I right? Patrick? You do? I mean these cars move around
a little bit. You watch them go down the track. They don't go
straight, No, they don't, and you gotta like hold on. I
mean, you gotta have some strength. It's not power steering, Oh no,
No, just a little Ford racing from back in the day, that's
all it is. Richard Petty used to rip on who is it? The
Rainbow Warrior there they called it. But Jeff Gordon, Jeff Gordon, he
said, back in my day, there's no way he could have driven that
car because we didn't have power staring. Now, yeah, I know they
don't. I mean, here you're just going basically straight, but you need
to hold it and do it that all right? So the purpose you're here
and I don't want to know this is fun. We're good. I love
talking about all this stuff with you guys. But this I think this is
a huge, huge deal that's coming to Empire Dragway. It is this street
out laws, no prep kings. I think this year the stakes are higher,
there's more money on the line. I was looking at the top ten.
I was telling Danny beforety guys came in that there are two women in
the top ten on the leader board right now, and I said, I
hope I don't sound misogynistic, but I find that impressive. Drag Racings had
a way more female participation than any sport out there. It's really one of
those things you walk in the pits and you know, I don't want to
get cliche, but it's a pretty accepting environment. Yes, it's unique.
It's different than a lot of I remember calling Steve not long ago and I
hear Steve and he goes, yeah, I got this young lady who's going
to drive the truck this year at the and she's out working on it.
I hear yelling something back to Steve. I go, that is so freaking
cool. She's an r N and she's as cute as connec. Yeah,
I mean it's the stereotypes just go out the window. You know, yes
they do. And uh, but you've got to have no fear when you're
doing all. And again, my son's girlfriend, Melissa, she's got a
very fast race car, and you do it. And you know, one
thing about drag race, and it's kind of funny if just my stupid way
of looking at things and all the problems that we have racially and religiously and
all that stuff in the world. Anybody ever came to a drag race and
sees how people get along in a drag race? Yeah, they go,
how the hell is this possible? Well, it is weird because it's a
competition. It's a competition, but it's people who are like, if you
needed something, everybody, Yeah, if somebody had a I don't know what,
you know, you blow up rod or something and somebody's got something the
trailer out, Yeah, I mean, and don't try to rip your heart
out five seconds going out. But it's just it's like I'm melting pot.
Like you can't even imagine the mutual respect that like, if something goes wrong,
we're all in the same data. Yeah, and and pretty much everybody
is, well, there's a lot of time and money and now you love
it right because you know you're doing this where somebody else may own a lake
house or go on vacation somewhere or everybody. Everybody in those pits is spent
to the absolute limit of their income. Yeah, it doesn't matter if they've
got a slow car or if they've got the fastest car in the property.
They've all they've all taken food off the table to go racing. Wow.
So I think that that has something to do with the commonality. You know,
how people get along and they respect each other. There there's not a
lot. You'd think there'd be a hold more lot more attitude from the fast
guys to the slow guys, and there's not. They just hang out together
by the starting line. When they lose, they stand in that area by
the yeah I'm talking about, and they pop their beers and they hang out
and it's it's it's a lot of fun. It's like a bowling league with
horsepower. That's a great analogy. Actually, Empire does such a nice job
and it's tucked away in Leicster. Yes, right, So you just go
right down to Geneseo basically and make a right and you're you're practically there.
It took you a few times to find it though, if I remember,
No, I got it. He just didn't want to come. Here's just
you know what. You're right, Yeah, it took me a while.
I didn't come down for a long time, but I uh, once it
was, Once you're there, it was it got It's like, what why
why did I take so long to enjoy this? Let me ask you a
question. Yes, sir, we've seen Talledega knights, right, we're all
some ricky Bobby in the middle of the race gets thrown into the car deep
down. Do you wish that's you? Sometimes if you're watching a drag race,
pick me you don't but do it, but don't. But I had
never I had never done drag racing. I've done some road courses that kind
of thing. Uh, But if they I think, I mean you can.
Sponsors are gonna crap a chicken if we don't have somebody in this car.
And then you're like, I'll do it. Well, did I say
that. I didn't mean that I'll do it, but I mean I think,
like I remember my buddy and I would try to open up his ninety
eight olds on the flash planes of like one ten, one twenty on a
Thursday morning, us we're going to school, and it took me a mile
to get going that fastt you know. And it was a really smart too,
because I don't know if somebody could have been sending their kid out to
get on the school bus. You know. But you're seventeen and you're not
thinking this is cool because it's controlled environment. It's where you're supposed to do
that. It's cars built for that. It's guys who have more knowledge than
maybe you if you're just entering it and are there. Basically, I would
say almost it's a nurturing environment to go and do it. And when I
went down there, I had a freaking blast. And the best was driving
your truck because I got in that hell Cat and the hell Cat is a
piece. It's a piece of machinery, but it's got the automatic traction and
stuff. You can't turn that shit off. And if you're going to drag
race, man, you just want to drop the hammer and go. You
don't want to be waiting on automatic traction or whatever. You just wanted to
And I got to tell you, like every time, and here's what I
think I have come to believe that. You know, there are people who
tell you meditation is a great thing. I will be one of those.
I think it's very good to give your mind a rest. But if you're
unable to do that, you gotta find a sport like this. Yeah,
because when you're going one hundred and eighty one hundred and twenty one hundred and
ten ninety eight, I don't give a shit. You're not thinking about anything
else but right there. And I swear I defy you if you've never done
it, to then slow down as you're you know you'll hit a certain point
and you take your foot off the gas to not laugh, to almost just
lose like the adrenal. My I was buzzing for like like the next six
hours. After that, I had easily Yeah. Just taking the tree in
a Hunday, it was one of my good time, the greatest days.
It was so much fun and I had never done that before, and I
can't wait to do it again. Let me throw something out there. On
Friday nights, we have a test and tune program him Yes, and we
encourage people to bring whatever they're driving, bring it to the racetracks, stick
it on the starting line, take the tree, have the lights come down,
experience that and uh, you know, make a bunch of passes and
it is any as you can make because it's so cool too, is do
you guys put on the computer for that? Yes, where people can see
what the reaction times are and you think your reaction time is great and you'll
see they like two seconds is a I mean, that's a lifetime right in
this sport, because you lose, Yeah, you lose down. Yeah,
like you're you you're waiting to go boom and you think you got right on
it. You didn't. Somebody's already a quarter mile away. So that's a
great thing. I forgot Empire every Friday, every Friday, Friday, six
to ten, starting six to ten, starting on the tenth on the tenth
of May of May. We were anyway Empire Dragway dot Com. I'm sorry,
all right, Okay, I don't mean but that's all right, people,
I know where the tractor is. Well, Pat said, so what
is no prep mean? Exactly? All right? What's Let me just tell
you what I do for a living and then we'll just Okay. I work
with some equipment to take the rubber off the track every week because it gets
stale and beat up, and then we lay down new rubber every week and
we mix in different compounds and things like that to make it sticky and so
it it stays tight to the surface so when the tire turns on it,
it doesn't squirm. No prep is the opposite of that. What they want
street just like a street. They want a track that was raced on the
week before. Let's say, okay, so there is some of that's something,
some residual okay, but nothing new, nothing you know, special,
just a week old, dry racetrack and that's what they use. And the
neat thing about this kind of racing I was, you know, being a
prep guy. Obviously, it's something that I'm not as familiar with as I
would be if I was a no Prep racer. But this is like the
most legitim in star power we're going to bring to this property. Yeah,
these are some big stars are Discovery. Yeah. It's funny when they came
down and we met with the television people for the first time and we ask,
you know, what there's going to be, like forty of them are
supposed to come, and they don't refer to them as racers, even though
that's what they are. It's the cast. Yeah, well they are the
cast. Yeah yeah, it's all the cast of the show. It's interesting.
There's never been anything like it in this sports history. And we owe
just the industry, Owes and offul Lot to this kind of racing and the
people that produce it because there's parts getting sold, there's kids that are going
to the track for the first time to emulate these guys. Yeah, and
I mean it's just the revenue that they're generating industry wide is really impressive.
It's actually quite brilliant. What they did is how they they took the illegal
aspect of things. Yeah, the street racers were out there, they realized
they had a following. But when they're filming these television shows, they're out
in the middle of nowhere knows where, filming on actual roads. Yeah,
and said, hmm, how do we we can't bring people here? No,
no, So they came up with this snow prepped kings go do these
races at a sanctioned drag strip. Just don't do anything and they are just
ringing them. Well, it's a better way. I mean, like going
back to what I was saying, where we would do one hundred and ten,
one hundred and twenty and my buddy's old. You never know what's going
to pop out around the corner, right. So a lot of these illegal
street races happen late at night when there's little traffic. But god forbid,
you're having your racing your wife to have a baby, right, and you
meet up with headlights coming at you at one hundred and ten miles better raccoon,
yeah yeah, anything, yeah, right, Well that could send you
off into a tree and who knows, or someone's front living room and any
number of things. So this is a is a great way to do it.
And it's gonna be the first weekend in May, right, So is
that May? Third? Fourth? Or third and fourth? The thirth with
just who people know? The fifth would be the rain date, okay,
Sunday. Yeah, so you can go and you can get your tickets.
Now I know there's different levels of things. Okay, Well you can get
like GA tickets, right, and that's like thirty bucks of tickets. But
I need to print stuff out to have all this right look at you,
it's right up there in the heads. That's just what I do, kind
of what you do. Yeah, it's kind of what I do. So
but what I love all this, what I love is exactly came magic.
I I love the rock Star VIP. Yeah, the rock Star this is
something. I like this and the rock Star VIP, but it's a little
more, a little pricier. But man, you're going to be there all
day. You're going to have your own private bathrooms access to That's the key,
Yes, it is. It is the key, you know. I
mean like I always told my sons when they were little, that the world
is your yurinal, don't worry about it, just going to But that's not
proper when you're older. So, but this is great. I think what
is the price on that? I think one hundred and eighty nine Saturday.
I think it was more Saturday and less than Friday sixty five. Yeah,
but that's a great deal. And then kids, if you want to get
them to VIP, that was like nothing, nothing, It's like five dollars
or something. No for kids because they do provote a family environment, you
know what I mean? Yes, and and you know these guys make it's
five bucks for a children's VIP. I was like five dollars for a kid's
VIP, but you get the other and kids love this and it's fun and
the racers are accessible. Right. Well, that's that was the next point
I was going to bring up. They Well, you were there where we
were pitted that day for the day you came out to the fact. Well
that's where all the casts of the show parks. They all have merchandise trailers.
Sure, so those guys make a lot of their money on ass T
shirts, all right, merch that they got. Yeah, it's very dependent
on that. Because of the race itself on Saturday, it pays the guy
that wins it thirty thousand dollars. Okay, wow, that's a good buck.
The guy that comes in second place nothing. So you got to roll
into this place, you're rolling into wherever they go, Empire wherever. Yeah,
with probably half a million to three quarters of million dollars between your tot
rig and all this stuff. And you're on a nif come for thirty grand
to get something and nothing. Yeah, you know, and you take a
chance of whting all your crap up too. So, I mean, because
that's the other thing that it's the other thing that people buy into this a
lot, is there's accidents. Yeah, yeah, more than on a regular
race day. Sure, I can't wait to sweep up tail lights. Yeah,
I mean we're going to be running down the track a lot picking up
pieces, I would imagine. So what time does the racing start on Friday?
Five o'clock, five o'clock. So five o'clock Friday, and it goes
to probably I mean it's ten. Yeah. Thing. But at our place,
Yeah, we have no curfeus nor so if there's something goes on,
we're under no. The cops aren't going to show up and go. You
got to stop. You know, we could run all night, right and
and and these people will because obviously they're filming something. So they move on
the next week somewhere else. And if shares a Sunday or we go all
night Saturday, they don't care. Sheriff rolls in, comes up to the
tower. You know why I'm here. I can do about it. Yeah,
I can tell you. But you know why I am here. We'll
built Remember the night you were there with the top for the Top Fuel show.
Yeah, well the sheriff rolled in like at midnight, Yeah, because
they were getting complaints in Geneseo. Yeah. Well, the top fuel cars
are a little loud, a little a little hot. The jet, the
jet engine was something to watch that would try out your track pretty quick and
well, just just because I'm going to circle back, because it's a circle
guy that I am, I'd like you to do that. These VIP tookses
just the ability to see these stars and get up close to them. So
you're going to have, you know, obviously somebody in the car, and
you're going to have other recognizable names and people that you've seen on television standing,
you know, in between the cars, just behind the starter shack.
So that means for the folks who have never been there before. When you're
in these VIP deals, you're going to be thirty feet away from Lizzie Musey.
You're going to be thirty feet away from Pat Mucy. It's it's you
think Lizzie's like top five right now? She is. Cayleb Warnon is like
number nine or something. You know her? Do you know her? Do
you know her backstory? I don't know Lizzie's backstory. I know her father
used to race n h U A and I t R A pro stock.
His father was in what they call I'm getting deep in the nerd here,
but his father was part of the or her father was one of the original
two hundred mile an hour IRA guys and that crew in the Hollow Club.
So he got into what's called Pro Street Racing, which was the fastest street
car deal. That kind of was the precursor to what they're doing with No
Prep. Kind of a similar crowd, similar vibe, but just different and
h he built a lot of motors for Pro Modified and now he's got his
daughter running fast. But Pat's probably one of the most recognizable faces that'll be
on the property. Okay, So and these fans for I mean, it's
the tickets aren't free, but you're gonna if you like this stuff, you're
going to be damn near able to reach out and touch. Well, I
mean, when are you able to see a TV production right? First sport
you love? Yeah, well, you know, you know talking about Lizzie
Musey bad story to her at this present moment. Yeah, it's December.
Yeah, she was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer in November, which they
did something with whatever. Then it turned out later on liver I think,
So this girl's battling through a lot of stuff right now, but still coming
out there and swinging and driving a reach. They're tough they're from carter At
New Jersey. They are tough. Yeah, but I would also think like
that goes back to my theory of takes your mind off the therapy. Right.
It's almost because damn right, and you probably feel alive when you're doing
it. You're not. You're not gonna feel more alive than go on an
hour. Even as a spectator. You walk in the gate at eight am
to get a good seat. Yeah, you walk out of there at midnight,
you feel like you've only been there for two hours. There's so much
adrenaline in the air. It's it's it's a unique environment. It's really really
cool. And again, the first weekend in May, I would say,
lock your tickets down now. Yeah, And because I was out there surfing
around trying to get my dates and times right for this, and some of
this stuff is getting close to being sold out. Yeah, you're gonna I
would say if you if you're on the fence, get off the fence,
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Graham is writer for the Athletic. We are going to call him. I
believe you just got off television, uh talking about the draft. But I
want to ask him something first before we get into any draft stuff. Let's
see Tim Graham from The Athletic, former Buffalo News reporter, one of my
favorite guys writers. Hell, hello, mister Graham. How are you good
yourself? I am, well. I have a question before we begin,
and the question is do you like the draft? Meaning do you like the
speculation and playing out the scenarios? Is it fun for you? Are you
more of a make your pick and let me know and I'll decipher it after.
Yeah, I think it's a waste of time. Yeah, I agree,
I can totally. I can totally see where that is. But boy,
they've turned that into an absolute show. If you were to make the
draft its own league, it would probably be more popular than Baseball and the
National Hockey Yes, it would probably be the third most popular sport in America.
Isn't that amazing? What what the NFL has done. I mean,
they they're now a year round sport for sure. In terms of for sure,
they've staggered everything perfectly. So that way there, with the exception of
July. Yeah, the first maybe the last week of June. In the
first three weeks of July before training camps open, that's uh, they're they're
a full there's there's all news. There's always something going on that's amazing,
all right. So the Bills have picks twenty eight and sixty at least in
the first two days. I know they have a number of picks, but
twenty eight and sixty do Looking and you and being very familiar tim with Brandon
Bean and the ability to move in a draft, do you expect that to
happen tomorrow? Probably one way or the other based on what he said last
week. He said that they don't have twenty eight first round grades on players.
Therefore, he is saying that the value of that twenty eighth pick is
out a whack. So there's two things you could do. You could trade
up to get a to use a first round pick, a more powerized first
round pick on a first round player that you have on your board, or
you trade out of the first round, accumulate more draft capital in terms of
picks with another team and draft a second rounder that you have in a second
round slot. So, if you are picking twenty eight and you're picking a
player you don't think is a first round caliber player, then you would want
to get out of it. You would want to give it to somebody who
does give it a first round value and accumulate that draft capital for either later
in this year's draft or maybe even next year's draft. What what do you
say to the possibility? And I've heard people speculate, and that's always the
fun thing for fans to do. It's called fandom getting a veteran receiver and
trading some first round picks to get the veteran receiver, maybe a twenty twenty
five first rounder or something like that. Is that a likely scenario to happen
only because of the trade with Digs? Obviously, I don't know. I
wouldn't say likely. And of course, you know, it goes back to
the very first question you ask me. I mean, so much of this
is you know. I don't I don't know. I mean, I mean
when people when people ask me questions about like the draft or even what's going
to happen in the big game tomorrow against the Dolphins, I mean, what
the hell do I know? And I'm the first one to admit I know
that there's a lot of puffing that goes on in my profession. And heaven
forbid that you ever admit that you don't know something because there's people who get
paid to like just keep going and going and talking until that something comes out
of their mouth. That makes sense. But so I don't have inside info
on how likely that is, but it's plausible because there are some big name
receivers who are out there and available first round picks. I don't know,
giving up a first round pick for Key Higgins Brandon Ayuk with the San Francisco
forty nine ers that interests me a little bit more so I think I is
it is it? It's plausible for sure because there are there are players like
that available and Brandon Bean has a history of doing We'll go on to something
non draft related, but a little more in the news with the Buffalo Bills,
and I believe you were the first to report that Terry Pagoula was exploring
selling about twenty five percent of the team of the Buffalo Bills, And I
think that kind of scared some people. But tell me if this is kind
of the right way to look at it. Terry is an older gentleman,
his wife's health has not been been fantastic. If the team were to be
left to family, the taxes on that would almost prohibit owning the team.
You'd almost have to sell it to cover that stuff. So to secure the
team being here in western New York and to cover some of this expense with
the stadium, it seemed like a pretty smart move to look or at least
explore selling a minority stake in the team. Would that be fair? Yes,
it's fair. And this provides tremendous liquidity. Terry p according to four
RBS, is worth six billion dollars or something like that. I thought just
kind of taking a seven. But he doesn't have that in the bank.
You know, that's tied up in mostly the Buffalo Bills and his oil businesses,
you know, the oil wells that are out there and whether they're producing
and depending on what the rate is for natural gas at the moment. But
this gives him liquidity at about what he paid for the team. So he
has seventy five percent of a team with controlling interest kind of for free,
which is a hell of an investment to be able to make it does the
As you know, the Bills were the record breaking deal at one point four
billion ten years ago. That record has since been broken with each subsequent sale,
three of them, first Carolina, then Denver, most recently Washington at
six point zero five billion. So the valuations are skyrocketing, the capital gains
and the estate taxes are likewise skyrocketing. You raise a great point. But
one other wrinkle to this is that the Pagoulas are on the hook for any
overages on the bills stadium. So the state is paying six hundred million that
is capped. Erie County is paying two hundred and fifty million that is capped.
The Pagoulas are paying the rest. Now, there is a bit of
a loan. I don't have it in front of me, but there's a
loan that they get from the National Football League that is pretty easy to pay
back. There are the PSLs that have not been popular. They are going
to use that to help fund it. But this all right. So I
was the only one that reported the twenty five percent number, and that's a
rough figure. And the reason, the way it's been explained to me is
that Terry Pegula has an idea of how much money he wants in this sale,
and if you reverse engineer it and based on the valuations that people are
that the bills expect, that it works out to be about twenty five So
let's say, you know, the Bills are the average according to Forbes,
again, which is kind of these are estimates on their valuations. The average
NFL team is at about five point one billion valuation. The Bills, of
course, are at the bottom of that, not the rock bottom, but
the Cincinnati Bengals, Buffalo Green Bay, which is the smallest market out of
all, but they're publicly owned and they're grandfathered in with the old system.
But let's say the bills, just for the sake of discussion, are at
four billion, and that that twenty five percent works out to be one billion.
That would also take care, that would take care of the stadium,
any any overages or whatever is going to happen there. So yeah, there
are all kinds of reasons for him to do this, and people that I
talk to across the board, I'm talking about analysts of people who broker such
deals, and they are not easy to find, but they do exist,
and in my twenty plus years twenty five years or so of covering professional sports,
I've happened to deal with a lot of them. I covered the Miami
Dolphins sale, I covered the Sabers when they went into bankruptcy, and the
Rigases went to jail, and then Galazano bought the team, and then I
covered Pagula buying the bills. And I've covered a few of these, and
so I do have these people that I can call and bounce these off of
these things off of and to a person, they say, this is a
very smart investment for Terry or a very smart thing for Terry Pagula to do.
Yeah, because that is well money, you need to liquid it.
Lit liquidity has brings a lot of opportunity and possibilities that you can do with
that money. Till let me ask, if he sells, you know,
a piece of the team, what kind of headaches come along with having co
owners now? Because they own one hundred percent of it. Now you got
a partner coming in and they don't have a controlling interest, but they have
some say don't they? I mean, could that be could they generate a
headache so to speak? Or is that just like, hey, like you're
buying cheers and team, but I'm still in charge and my way or the
highway. Is there any like does you have to like be more How do
I put this diplomatic when it comes to team decisions? Well, that's a
great question. And it's possible, but you know that's all going to be
broker in the agreement. But you can assume safely that somebody who is putting
out and again we're using these ballpark figures, somebody who is going to pony
up a billion dollars for twenty five percent of an NFL team is going to
want some things. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that Terry Pogoula has to
grant them. So there's no way to look at this and say XYZ is
coming or this is going to happen. But what I think you can safely
assume is that there's going to be a rite of first refusal in a deal
like this. Very common, I don't even know if it's automatic, but
very common that if the Pagola family were to sell its controlling interest, that
would be because they can sell more another chunk of the team. They can
sell in second twenty five percent of the team if they want, They can
actually sell up to seventy percent of the team and still maintain controlling interests as
long as thirty percent remains in the family. Yes, as long as thirty
percent remains within the family, they can control it. So Terry Paula can
sell all that all he wants. But this right of first refusal gets into
the possibility of if Terry Pagoula were to decide himself which he may do,
or if his estate or if he gives the even if his children own the
team for a little while, let's say ten fifteen years after his death,
they decide to sell, then whoever owns that again estimated twenty five percent,
These other limited partners have the right of first refusal to come in and say,
we are purchasing the remainder. If this can or whatever you're selling as
controlling percentage of the team, we have the ability to match anybody else out
there. And of course they already owned twenty five percent of it, so
they are getting a team at seventy five cents on the dollar, which is
still going to be billions and billions of dollars, but they have already owned
a chunk of it that they invested back in twenty twenty four. Tim,
how when you decided to become a writer, did you ever think you'd be
doing this much? Math? Right? None? Well, from a statistical
standpoint, yeah, I don't earned runs times nine if by any pitch,
Yeah, you know, I can do a save percentage and it goals against
I could do all that, but no, nothing like that. I mean
that that's crazy. But you really need some in depth stuff. I have
to think for you, it's got to feel pretty good because you got this
right from the bills, Right, they came to you with this stuff.
Well, no, no, I came to them with it. Okay,
they were not happy that I knew that the but but you went to them
to get confirmed and yeah, I think that's yes, Well I had them
kind of you know, I had enough information and I was able to share
it with them that they knew I wasn't on a fishing expedition. Yeah,
and they they knew that it was. They would have to confirm it or
flat out lie to me, and uh, they Hey, I've been lyed
to before, but on something like this, I had enough information that they
wouldn't. Wouldn't have been the smartest thing to let me ask you this.
You know, the Mara family, the Hunt family in Kansas City, the
Rooneyes with the with the Steelers, they've been able to keep the team in
the family forever. Is there a secret sauce in how to do that?
Because I mean you were you covered the Dolphins when was a Heizinga who owned
the team and they had to sell what Joe Robbie, Okay, what's what's
the what's the difference between those, you know situations that the Steelers have been
able to keep the team. The Hunts have been able to keep the Chiefs,
the Maras, and the Tishes have been able to keep the Giants,
but the Dolphins have been sold several times. Yeah, Wayne Heyzinga sold to
Stephen Ross back in eight I think it was when I was covering it.
Maybe it was O seven. But you would be surprised some of those teams
that you just rattled off. Those are famous names of owners, but if
you were to take a look at their ownership situation, you would see that
it is watered down. For instance, the Hallises and the mccaskey's, they're
down into single digit percentages of what they owe the Steelers. The Steelers have
always had limited partners. Jimmy Haslam, the current Cleveland Browns owner, used
to own a big chunk of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So they don't stay within
the family. They have been sold off. And there's another element coming in
here. I don't know if this is you know, talking business sometimes is
boring. Listening to it's even more boring. But it is interesting when you
know, when you heard about Stuffy and trying to keep it, keep the
team in Buffalo, I think yeah, because there's another There's another little factor
that could be at play here eventually and maybe very soon, is that the
NFL is the last of the major sports leagues that doesn't allow private equity companies
to buy a percentage of your You have to be a person, you can't
be a company buying into the team. Well, the NFL has been on
the verge of approving it at private equity to get involved for some time,
and again it's to alleviate taxes, you know, estate type stuff, secession
planning, and so the NFL and there are as the prices skyrocket, there
are fewer people able to even buy a team, so they're there there.
The NBA, Major League Baseball, the NHL already allows it. The NFL
is on the verge. It could happen even as soon as next month,
I think, or the next owner's meetings after that is in October. So
if this doesn't happen quickly, a deal Terry Pegula could end up selling to
a non an entity as opposed to a person or a group of people that
could be on the table. That private equity could be partial owner of the
Buffalo Bills. That's very interesting. So Magic John and could have a piece
of the Bills, the La Dodgers, He's got a little bit of everything.
Does he owned something in one of the baseball teams in New York?
I thought he was part of something with the Magics, with the Dodgers.
Dodgers, but he's with the Dodgers. But I thought there was something in
New York with Magic. I don't know a Knicks thing. There's something,
well, the Knicks are doling. But I was like, it's amazing to
me that you get your hands in that many places. But you can if
you join into, like Tim is saying, one of these equity groups and
you get some money. Here's the thing about NFL owners they hit There are
bylaws for ownership. They are highly secretive. I would love to have a
copy of these bylaws. I've tried for years to get one, But they're
also incredibly the shelf life on these by laws is short because these guys change
the rules all the time. Sure, and so for instance, it wasn't
that long ago. And I'm going back to when Terry Pabula was buying the
team. One of the the automatic things that would appear in any story that
I wrote about who's buying whatever team was you know the number of the types
of people who are eligible to buy it, and it was I would have
to explain how for instance, Jeremy Jacobs, owner of Delaware North Concession Company
based in Buffalo, who also owns the Boston Bruins. There was a lot
of people would say, well, maybe Jerry V. Jacobs would buy the
Bills someday. He couldn't. For a long time, he wasn't allowed because
he owns the Boston Bruins, and the NFL viewed that as competition for the
New England Patriots. You are only allowed to own another sports team if it
was in the market of your NFL team. So Jeremy Jacobs could buy the
Patriots or he would have to sell the Bruins. But he couldn't own the
Bruins and the Bills. Well, that was shot to hell a few years
later. When the Kronkey family owns everything, you know, they have four
they however, many teams they owned, and there are too many, There
were too many other owners that had their fingers and other leagues, and the
NFL had to keep walking it back, walking it back. The Rooneys,
you used to not be able, you know, of course, now you
can do whatever you want and gambling practically, it used to be cardinal sin.
You could not be involved in any gambling operation as an owner of an
NFL team. Well, the Rooney family got its start in horse tracks and
dog tracks so down in Florida. So then they said, okay, well
horse racing is not gambling, that doesn't count. Well, then all of
a sudden, what happens over the last twenty thirty years. Horse racing and
dog racing is going out of business because of lack of interest. So they
start pumping them full of slot machines. So now the Roonies are in the
slot machine business. Well, now we got to rework the deal. So
the rumies and so it's their only rules until they become inconvenient, and then
the NFL just says, okay, then we won't do that anymore. Right,
it doesn't take an Act of Congress. They write their own rules.
So yeah, there's who's they can all it takes is a phone gets get
thirty two people on a on a conference call, and we'll just change the
rule and then we don't have to worry about it. Man. That's that's
very interesting to know because even just gambling in general with sports now, I
mean, we're all encouraged. Right, We've got sports betting all over the
place, and it's done gangbusters for the state of New York in terms of
taxes. Absolutely, and you know it's we're seeing players get suspended. The
NBA just suspended a player for life. You know, there are all kinds
of things, scandals. I mean, how close are we to a referee
or you know, there was always already the tim Donnie, but you know
we're going to find somebody who's insider trading on you because you know, for
instance, here's one that always pops into my head. So the National.
When there's a National, it is traditional that the broadcasters, whether it's Mike
Tarrico or Troy Aikman and Joe Buck or whomever, the crew Tony Romo and
Jim Nantz, a couple of days before the game, they get to sit
down with the coach and the quarterback and the coordinators maybe, and they talk
so that way they're smart about the strategy about you know, what may happen
in the game. They might even learn about a trick play, so that
way they're prepared for it. And then they're kind of you know, the
gentlemen's agreement is you don't share the information. You keep it to yourself.
It's for the broadcast. And they've talked to both teams. Well, well,
who's to stop the production assistant, who's sitting in that meeting, or
Tony Romo himself right from friend? Yeah, or anybody you know, or
maybe I happen to run into somebody at the grocery store who I recognize it
and he's a he's a coach for the Bills. I'm like, hey,
what do you think of what do you think of Khalil Shakir catching three and
a half passes on do you think that's Do you think that's that? You
know, there's all kinds of ways that this you know that you cannot be
they don't have to be directly involved in placing it that right, but can
still be corrupt about it. Tim, I don't know if you caught this.
So the Nuggets, the Nuggets, Lakers, series. Right, the
Nuggets are up two games to none. Everyone's focused on Lebron going off about
the refs and ad going about the refs. And then they asked Kevin Malone,
the head coach of the Nuggets. I asked them about the officials and
whatnot. He goes, well, we did some research. We found out
that they've had five hundred more free throws than we do this year, Like
the Lakers are getting like extra free throws and like five hundred more than like
the Nuggets. People are looking at it like are the officials up to something?
Now? I'm not saying they are, But ESPN actually took that clip
down when people started asking questions about it. I did not hear that,
but I do. I had look. When I was at ESPN from two
thousand and eight to two and an eleven, we had an editor. This
was not a company policy. It was this particular editor who oversaw the NFL
writers. We weren't allowed to even mention who and the word underdog or favorite,
let alone put any spread. We weren't. We were forbidden from mentioning
gambling. That was what fourteen years ago. Thirteen years ago and now there
are every everything on that on that network, on that website. You know
they have got after going to get your dream, I mean pushing it.
Like the main some of the main content that we produce as journalists today have
to do with you know, the gambling part of it, gambling, the
fantasy, you know, all that stuff. And so it's, uh man,
it's changed. And the owners they were I think it's they've opened the
Pandora's box. They're gonna have to deal with whatever scam those coming. But
that is the reason why the Commander sold for six point zero five billion.
It is all these revenue streams that are just like there're spigots that nobody can
nobody wants to shut off, and probably nobody can't. Maybe spigot's a bad
word. Maybe it's the fire hos. It might be more of a fire
hose, because I mean, look, hey, teams weren't even allowed in
Vegas. Now we're getting professional baseball. We already have hockey, we already
have football, and now the athletics will be there. I might just move
there. Why they moved from there? I was, I was there.
There was no possible. I lived there for five years as a sports writer.
I left for Buffalo to be in a finger quotes big League city.
You know that was ninety that was the year two thousand, that was January
two thousand and now. I mean it would be because it just sung just
a little bit. I don't think I could have survived in Vegas much longer
the way I make like decisions. But it was, yeah, it was.
It was impossible. It was never gonna happen. It could not happen.
Uh. Well, I I don't want to take too go ahead,
Danny, So I don't Yeah, we don't want to take too much of
your time. But like the story that's going to be overshadowed in twenty four
hours is Lindy Ruff, of course getting hired by rehired by the Sabers.
They've missed the playoffs for so long, and I haven't been I stopped watching
hockey when Hoschik lost the puck and the lights in Pittsburgh in Game six and
then they went on to lose game seould like I'm done with hockey. I
can't do this anymore. But what what is the what do you think is
the overall problem in Buffalo with hockey and why this team can't get back to
the just back to the playoffs. I think it goes back to the tank.
I think it was you know, it totally gutted the organization from a
pride standpoint, from a direction culture. Their culture became losing on purpose.
And I know that that sounds pretty simplistic, but they just weren't able to
come out of the ashes. Uh. They didn't have the leadership they're you
know, the list is long of guys who couldn't wait to get out.
They wanted to leave, even read just two months ago. Kylock Poso,
the beloved captain. And when I say beloved, maybe not by the fans
even though he was respected, but Don Grenado, Kevin Adams, the ownership,
They loved Kyle Poso. They really were thrilled to put the s on
him. And I thought he was a great choice too, and he turned
out to be fine. But even he wanted out. You know, this
is the guy who helped build whatever the current culture is. And at the
trade deadline he was like, Hey, if you guys can get me to
a contender, I love it. You know. So this is when the
when the Savers were still trying to market themselves as being able, maybe being
able to make a run and get into the playoffs. Their captain wanted out.
You know Ryan O'Reilly and Sam Ryan Hart. And you take a look.
I think Sunday Night, every the Sunday games, every every game had
a former Sabers score a goal in it. They are that it was Yeah,
Ryan O'Reilly, Steve Jimmy VC. Yes there was, there were two.
Casey Middlestats scored one and I can't remember the other. But yeah,
every game had a had a former Safer score goal. Guys just want to
it's it's toxic, and Lindy Ruff is probably the kind of guy who can
who can make a big, a big dent in that toxicity because he can
be a throwback to a better time. But he's also a disciplinarian. I
think that you know, Don Granado was a bit of a I don't want
to say he was soft, but he kind of he didn't. They need
a hard reset, and Lindy Ruff is the type of guy who's going to
command their attention. He's charismatic, he is a kind of I've always said
he's like a Clint Eastwood figure, a man's man, worthy of respect.
He's the type of guy you want to impress I'm talking like people who are
around Lindy Ruff, who work for the Savers, who play for him,
they like they they crave his his his certification, his stamp of approval.
You want Lindy Rouff to to like you, and that's some people just have
that aura about him. And he's one of those guys. He might not
be the best coach, but he is the He is a personality that is
perfect for what they need right now. Tim Graham, not only a journalist
also a good dad, was doing college visits and all I'm sure that was
a lot of fun. No, we you know why it's not fun for
the parent because you start to long drive long drive and you see that bill,
you see what's coming, you can see the future and yeah, that's
part of the slide show. And before you take the tour, you're sitting
in the auditorium with a bunch of other parents and then they flash a couple
of prices up there and you're like, oh Christ, let's just get up
and leave now. Well, anyway, I appreciate your time and enjoy the
draft as much as you can. Thanks Tim, all right, fellas,
thanks for having me. You got it. Thank you. Tim Graham there.
You think they gotta vet the minority owners the same way they would if
do they because if he's got the writer first refusal, they're gonna it's gonna
be like a virtual colonoscopy for her feature these people, I mean, like
no criminal record. As a very invested Bills fan, that's good news.
Well, I kind of liked it because I think it was sort of a
move to make sure that they stay here. There's there's often been or over
the past couple of years, Austin's interested in the team. Could the Bills
go there Toronto? I don't think Jerry would allow another team in Texas,
But yeah, I know, as Jerry, how much time does Jerry having
And we've heard how the rules change and there's money, and you know what
I'm saying, like Tim saying the owner's rewrite the rules once Jerry's out of
the way, how much more does Jerry have He's saying, I think over
Steve, Steve is a lot sharper than uh. But yeah, I mean
really the guy from the organization is Steve and his son Jerry just like the
figurehead. And I still think like when it to the other owners, Jerry
has more Cashet oh, he does, and he's changed the rules. Will
Steven have that same? Yeah? Cash, The story is Jerry and Robert
Kraft run the league. Yeah, pretty much. But as far as like
ownership goes, there was a guy who tried to buy the Islanders. I
think I think it was Spano. I don't remember his first thing. Yes,
and he did a thirty for thirty about this at ESPN. He on
he had like one hundred thousand dollars, but remember the NHL to let him
fascinating and somehow he negotiated this TV deal that allowed the franchise to stay around
for years. And then they exposed it, but the TV deal was already
set, so they said, he's arguably the third greatest owner in Islanders history.
Even though the guy couldn't like cash a check, he just we can't
have this. If you can only turn that into money, we will.
We will close it out. Patrick and Steve, thank you. Getting ready
for the U. This is gonna be a whole lot of fun down there.
The first weekend of August in Western New York, first weekend and man
saying August, I don't know, you're crazy, man, I'm thinking August,
because we were just talking football, and I'm thinking like camp and all
that. The first weekend in May. It's just go back there. The
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