WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:37.960 Calling All Beings, y'all. Yeah, welcome back to Calling All Beings. 2 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:43.920 I'm DJing your host alone with my co hosts, the man known as Money. 3 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.640 That's up, everybody, Happy Sunday, Happy Daylight Savings Sunday to all 4 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:54.560 of you and North America somewhere. Good afternoon, Money. Also, we're 5 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:59.640 gonna say hello to the man with maybe maybe maybe the greatest hair in all 6 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:03.640 of you. UFO Twitter content creation, the sexy, the funny, the 7 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:08.879 incomparable, flarious Kevin, what's up? Holmes? Hello, good morning. 8 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.359 I'm working on my intros a little bit. You know it's gonna happen. 9 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:19.239 It's gonna happen, man, allright, no doubt. And now and now 10 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:26.159 another person who's incomparable her appetite for this topic, Nathan will not be satiated, 11 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.920 it will, Her thirst will not be quenched. She is the host 12 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:38.640 of Deb's Data Dojo. Puts your hands together for deb at a study of 13 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:49.000 UAPs Hi everybody, Holmes, Cameron, Now, let's let's bring on the 14 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:56.400 man himself. What we're talking about here is a Canadian original gangster of the 15 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:08.960 UFO topic. Put your hands toick yeah for mister Grant camera Yeah, Amen, 16 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.520 Amen, Welcome, Welcome, mister Cameron. What's up, brother, 17 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:20.199 Lots going on. I'm pretty busy and we're just coming into spring here, 18 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.680 and I'm excited to talk about some stuff that I'm working on right now. 19 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:28.840 Oh well, we're gonna have to get right up into a money Nathan. 20 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.879 Yes, Grant, so again, thank you so much for joining us today 21 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.520 and really thrilled to have you with us. And I thank you to all 22 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.879 those who are listening live on YouTube right now or whoever might be listening later 23 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.960 in the future. Grant, You've been in this game for a long time. 24 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.840 You've been researching for over forty years, starting out with something that kind 25 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:53.159 of catapulted you into the topic, your own experience in Canada, kind of 26 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.800 a nuts and bolts researcher for many years. I'm also focusing heavily on kind 27 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.560 of the secret keepers and how the who who was given the information the White 28 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.400 House UFO angle. But then you had a as I understand it, a 29 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:08.319 pretty transformative experience in twenty twelve. It really kind of shifted gears for you 30 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:13.800 into looking at it from the consciousness aspect, and we see that in a 31 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.319 lot of places now as well. I would like I would love to hear 32 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:22.159 kind of just your perspective looking back on that journey and why consciousness itself is 33 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.800 such a big focus for you right now. Well, yeah, it's been 34 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:30.719 a long trip. It's been almost fifty years basically my whole life. When 35 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.120 I had the experience, I basically sort of lost it. I mean I 36 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.360 just basically quit university. I kept going to university, but I was just 37 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:45.000 really not interested anymore and really didn't know what I was doing in university or 38 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.159 what I was going to make money. I was going to make money with 39 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.120 all this stuff. But I had the experience, as you mentioned, which 40 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.560 was very transformative. It was the old story that once you have the experience, 41 00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:00.199 it's like you're sort of you're down the rat hole. And we used 42 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.199 to over the years, we'd have a lot of people who'd say, oh, 43 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.280 the guy's quit, he's never coming back, and we always go, 44 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:09.000 yeah, or he's coming back. No, nobody gets out of this thing, 45 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:13.039 and it's like it's that kind of thing where you can't really shake it. 46 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.680 You know, people get divorced, you have all sorts of problems. 47 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:19.959 They can't deal with people because they're different people. And I thought I sort 48 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.399 of knew what was going on. I was doing what everybody else is doing. 49 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.839 Now, is this sort of nuts and bolts aspect. I was chasing 50 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.600 the President of the United States. Because when I had my experience, the 51 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:33.120 first night I saw it, it was very, very sort of I fell 52 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:35.279 off the edge of the earth. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 53 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:42.240 And then the second night it came directly at us, and this is not 54 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.199 a light in the sky, this is an object. It was in pretty 55 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.519 close, came right at us and made this left hand turn. And I 56 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.160 remember as it was flying off into the north, I said to myself, 57 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.480 what's it doing. It's not doing anything. It was just it was so 58 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.519 weird. It's like it came to Carmen, Manitoba, Canada, which is 59 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.279 like the middle of nowhere, Like, what the heck is it doing in 60 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.199 Carmen. I could not figure it out. Later, we had this idea 61 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:08.720 that had something to do with nuclear weapons and stuff, but in the end 62 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.759 result I thought it had to do with me. Because there was a film 63 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:16.279 that was taken. If you're familiar with the description of the Knimts encounter, 64 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:19.480 where it drops from eighty thousand feet down to sea level in seven eighths of 65 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:26.079 a second. Well, what got me involved was a TV crew from CKY, 66 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:29.920 which is a TV studio here in Winnipeg. I'd gone out to film 67 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:33.720 this thing and they caught it jumping from the ground to five thousand feet in 68 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.920 the air in one eighth of a second, and they caught on film. 69 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.279 Now this film is around jail and Hannett got two copies. It's sort of 70 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:45.199 has disappeared. There's there's one copy. If you look at the documentary, 71 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.560 uf will cover up live. It's in there. No, no, no, 72 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:54.759 it's no, it's in UFO UFOs. It has begun. Jacques Valet 73 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.199 actually narrates it nineteen seventy nine. It's in the film. Is in there 74 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:00.439 anyway, So I had to and I was chasing, and I said, 75 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.360 what's it doing? You know? And I wrote a book. Nobody was 76 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:09.399 interested in the book. And then I said, Okay, this sighting stuff 77 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.319 is a bunch of garbage. And still I believe a bunch of garbage will 78 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.759 tell you basically that UFOs are here. Something's going on. I even just 79 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.000 got a one hundred and sixty pages from Transport Canada. Here in Canada, 80 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.920 one hundred and sixty pages of UFO sidings. Nobody's asked for me for them. 81 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.399 I read about two pages and got bored with it. It was like 82 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.279 same old thing. Lights in the sky, jets were scrambled, they didn't 83 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:31.959 see anything, and it's like, you know, we had a million sightings, 84 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.879 now we've got a million and a million and one hundred and sixty sidings. 85 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.519 So I sort of got depressed after nobody was interested in all these sightings. 86 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.720 There are a lot of sightings in the town that I had the experience 87 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.959 in and nobody would publish it. And so I said, okay, let's 88 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.120 it with sightings. I'm just gonna I want to know what was that thing 89 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.519 doing in Carmen and what's what's going on here? What is this thing? 90 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.839 So I started this pursuit where I chased the Canadian government. Then it went 91 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.120 to the former president of Pennstead University who actually knew what was going on, 92 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:04.519 and people like kid Green went after him, as helped put Off went after 93 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.279 him. We were the first to deal with this guy, and he basically 94 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.959 talked in rhymes and riddles to us about why should we change the rules to 95 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.160 satisfy your curiosity? He knew exactly how this thing had been set up. 96 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:16.959 He was there when it got set up. He had fourteen honored doctor degrees, 97 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.480 chairman of the board of the Institute for Defense Analysis. And I'm chasing 98 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.680 this whole story, and I'm trying to figure out somebody's got to know what's 99 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.560 going on here. And that led me to the President of the United States. 100 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:29.160 And that's where I figured, Well, the president's the most powerful guy 101 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:30.839 in the world. I mean, he's got all these clearances, they're checking 102 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:32.839 all this stuff. They got to be telling the president what's going on. 103 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:38.319 So I chased the presidents for why. Actually, I'm still chasing him because 104 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:43.160 I've just filed all the Freedom Information Act requests with the Obama administration that just 105 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.079 came forward last month January twenty First you could file for the material, So 106 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:53.800 I filed about thirty FOIA requests for Obama. Because Obama was by far and 107 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.800 away the biggest president on UFOs. All the names, tell me about this 108 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:01.720 story, tell me about Jason or Jaden Smith, what happened there in the 109 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.680 situation room, All these these sort of stories where Obama talks about UFOs. 110 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:13.279 And then in twenty twelve, as you're saying, I basically got everything flipped 111 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.439 around. For me, I was sort of like spinning my wheels. I 112 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.519 think the vast majority of the UFO community is doing just sort of gathering material 113 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.079 rout and really not knowing what's going on. And it was there where I 114 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:26.279 was. I was at a lecture in Phoenix, Arizona, where Colin Andrews 115 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.399 was talking about the crop circles. And he's the guy that invented to turn 116 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.320 crop circle, saw the first one in nineteen eighty two, you know, 117 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:37.840 chased this whole thing and basically came to this conclusion. He had Rockefeller gave 118 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.399 him money, and they investigated people who had done the hoaxes on crop circles, 119 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.240 and they'd run around and talk to these guys, and he came to 120 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.120 this conclusion of twenty percent of crop circles were legitimate, eighty percent were hoaxes. 121 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:52.200 But in this lecture, what he was saying was, well, the 122 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.639 people that were doing the hoaxes actually got this idea in their head, and 123 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.720 so the beings were actually creating the crop circles from the hoaxers as well. 124 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.240 They're telling the hoaxers put down. So that was the lecture, and it 125 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.799 was I wrote a book called Contact Modalities where I talk about the fact that 126 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.360 I believe that all the materials in the field. Forty percent of all UFO 127 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:15.720 experiencers will say at one point during their experience they knew the answer to everything 128 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.840 in the universe. Near deth experience people thirty one percent at one point during 129 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.279 their experience say they knew the answer to everything in the universe. So the 130 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.320 whole concept in contact modalities is that all the material is there. It's the 131 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:28.039 ability to access the field, get in there, get the material, and 132 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.360 come back out. Whether you're doing channeling, whether you're doing you know, 133 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.720 near death experience, psychedelics, whatever you're doing, you're going in the field. 134 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.440 You're getting, getting whatever you can and bringing it back. So I 135 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:45.159 had the contact modality I always used as zoning out. I ran DJ was 136 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.120 talking about running. I was just running earlier, but an hour ago I 137 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.559 came back. And so what I do is I do a lot of walking 138 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.960 and I do a lot of running. I'll do three three hours a day 139 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:58.679 and basically that's when I zone out, and that's when I get all sorts 140 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.879 of insights. And I called them sort of it's like a flow state where 141 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.919 I know, I know to get the pen out. I know I'm in 142 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.000 a flow state, and stuff starts to come to me. And so what 143 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.200 happened was that I was in the Colin Andrews lecture and one of the contact 144 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.159 modalities is daydreaming. So you'll find that when you're in a in a lecture 145 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.559 like this, where I wasn't interested in crop circles. The only reason I 146 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.399 went into the lectures because Colin Andrews was this famous crop circle guy, and 147 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.039 I figured, well, and there's this big controversy about the fact that he 148 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.759 said eighty percent of all crop circles were hoaxed. People were booing him and 149 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.600 they were, you know, he was having a real hard time. So 150 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.759 I said I should go watch this lecture. And I go, I really 151 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:39.720 not, Nah, I'm gonna go, and no, I'm not gonna go. 152 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.879 So I finally I said, Okay, I'm gonna go into a lecture. 153 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.360 Because this is at UFO Congress in the days when it was eight eight 154 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:48.039 days long, and you go to some lectures, you don't go to some 155 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.960 lectures. It goes on forever, day, day and night for a week. 156 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.759 So I decided, okay, I'll go in there. I wasn't addressed 157 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.399 that I was sitting there. I'm thinking about, Oh, I'm going to 158 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.519 go across the Bullhead City, Arizona, and I'm gonna go to library, 159 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.919 and we may able to go for coffee, and I'm picking up all these 160 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.720 other things, and I zoned out. I wasn't paying attention to the lecture. 161 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:07.200 And that's when it came to me. And it was nothing new. 162 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.759 A lot of these flow states, downloads, whatever you want to call them, 163 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.120 come to people when, for example, the laser came like this, 164 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.240 and so did the hologram. Both the guys won them the Bell Prize where 165 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.120 they worked on the problem. They worked on the problem, they worked on 166 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.039 the problem. They coudn't figure out, they couldnt figure it out, and 167 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.159 they went and the one guy Towns was sitting outside a restaurant waiting for the 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:30.159 restaurant to open, on a park bench, and suddenly the idea just popped 169 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.679 in his head. Just everything came together instantaneously. And the guy who did 170 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:39.080 the the gabor who did the hologram, was sitting there watching people play tennis. 171 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:41.320 Same thing he was trying to figure out, try to figure couldn't figure 172 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.480 it out, was sitting there watching these people pay tennis and quieted the left 173 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.600 brain, the rational analytical brain, which is causing the noise in the signal. 174 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.000 The signal is there everybody, but the left brain is causing this thing 175 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.960 in the signal. So I'm zoning out, I'm not really paying attention and 176 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.919 they just boom them is instantaneously three things came into my head, all at 177 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.440 the same time. They all had to do with consciousness and UFOs. And 178 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:07.600 one was in nineteen fifty the Canadian government, Wilbert Brockout Smith, who was 179 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.440 running the program, had gone to the Americans and he'd asked the American officials, 180 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.039 not people on the street, not ordinary people, officials, and he'd 181 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.159 written this top secret memo and he said, we were told by American officials 182 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.039 the following things. Number One, flying saucers exist. It's the most highly 183 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.440 classified subject in the United States. There's a small group headed by doctor Van 184 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.799 var Busher. You're trying to figure out the modus operendi. The subject is 185 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.320 a tremendous significance to the Americans. And then the line that came into my 186 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.759 head instantaneously after that was the very next line in the document, which said, 187 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.559 we were also told by American officials that other things might be associated with 188 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.960 the flying sauces, such as mental phenomena. And the Americans aren't doing very 189 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.039 well because they've said if we were working on the problem, they're willing to 190 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.960 exchange credentials and talk to us. The thing is the mk Ultra started six 191 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:58.799 months later after that statement in the top secret memo. It happened in Montreal, 192 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.279 in a hotel in montre All, Canada, sixty miles down the road 193 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:07.320 from Ottawa. And doctor Oman Salant, who was in the UFO program, 194 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.720 was in that meeting with the CIA and with the British and with the mk 195 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.720 Ultra, and mk Aultra was the whole deal is consciousness is important. We 196 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.320 got to figure ot how this thing works, and they were working on consciousness. 197 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:20.480 They weren't working on maybe brainwashing is part of it, but it was 198 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.440 this whole idea that they knew. Because the whole idea was nineteen fifty nobody 199 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.000 had talked to an alien yet a Damski and Williamson would not come forward till 200 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.399 nineteen fifty two, So how did anybody know that telepathy, that mental phenomena 201 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:37.559 was involved. The American officials probably had a live alien from Roswold. They 202 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.360 realized there was no steering wheel in the craft, you don't fly it that 203 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.159 way, and they realized there was some sort of mental component of flying the 204 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:48.360 craft. That's why in nineteen fifty they already knew that mental phenomena is involved. 205 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.759 They couldn't figure it out and they still can't really figure it out. 206 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.799 So that was the first thing he came in I had. The second thing 207 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.320 came into my head was doctor Eric Walker, where I mentioned one of the 208 00:13:54.320 --> 00:14:00.159 guys we chased for eight years, very very powerful guy, worked with did 209 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:05.159 an engineering study for President Eisenhower, very very powerful guy, and he said, 210 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:11.080 at one point, we're talking to you about the MJ MJ twelve and 211 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.759 we were asking him are there still just twelve guys and is it just an 212 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.240 American group or is it an international And he says, hey, let me 213 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.159 ask you a question. What do you know about ESP and what do you 214 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.000 know about the seventh cent What do you know about ESP? And the guy 215 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.840 who was inter from Great Britain really didn't have an answer, and he said, 216 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:33.759 look, unless you understand about ESP and how it works. You will 217 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.559 not be taken in by the control group. Very few people understand how this 218 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.759 works. And so there and we didn't know at the time. That was 219 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.120 nineteen ninety one. I had no idea what he was talking about. And 220 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.759 suddenly in twenty twelve and this Colin nineers actually I go, oh, now 221 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:48.279 I know Walker, That's what he meant, That's what he was talking about. 222 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.480 It was the same thing as this mental phenomena thing that Canadians were talking 223 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.360 And the third was Jan Harrison, who was the international director of NEWFAM has 224 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:00.399 this lecture nineteen ninety three, goes to see Ben Rich, who is the 225 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.600 head of Lockheed Skunk Works. He was always rumored to be the back engineering 226 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:07.159 of the flying saucers. And ben Rich says, we've now got the technology 227 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.559 to take et home. It's not going to take a lifetime, but it's 228 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:11.799 going to take an act of God to get this thing out of Congress. 229 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.440 And Jan Hartson is with his other engineer and he's gone, can you believe? 230 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:16.759 Can you believe what he's saying? And it goes up and he had 231 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.279 an experience when he was ten years old in the backyard fifty feet away from 232 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.159 a flying saucer with his brother, and he always wanted to build a flying 233 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.440 saucer and he became an electrical engineer to do this, and so he was 234 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.399 fascinated. He went to Ben as Ben was leaving the building and he said, 235 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.360 Ben, I've been fastening my whole life. How does it work? 236 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.519 How does the propulsion system work? How did they get here? And Ben 237 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:41.080 Rich turns around he says, exactly to the words, exactly what Walker had 238 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.759 said two years before in nineteen ninety one. He said, let me ask 239 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.519 a good question. Well you know bodsp and Jan Hartson said, means everything 240 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:52.440 in time and space is connected. And Ben Ritch said that's how it works, 241 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.679 and he walks out of the building, gets in his car and drives 242 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.240 away. Now we've had other indications since then. Tom DeLong talks about going 243 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.720 to the skiff. He's taken in the LA into the skiff and he's talking 244 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.759 to these guys and they're asking, what about this conspiracy website you've got, 245 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.639 And he's trying to talk out of this stupid like QAnon website thing he was 246 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.320 running in twenty twelve. And then I had scientist said, look, I 247 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.840 just want to know I'm all interested in is how do how does it work? 248 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.840 That's all I'm interesting, how does this thing work? And then he's 249 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.559 and he was hanging around with Greer at the time, so that and Greer 250 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.440 is big into consciousness. So he says, oh I can consciousness is bold 251 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.120 and he said the head scientist said, now you're talking, and he said, 252 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.000 that's all the head scientists wanted to talk about for forty five minutes was 253 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.960 consciousness. So that was the flip that So that flipped me. In twenty 254 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.240 twelve, it was like the world had just flipped on its head again. 255 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.200 It was like I for two days, I walked around and my head was 256 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.399 just spinning. I couldn't believe. I didn't know what consciousness was. I 257 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.799 thought it was consciousness. I didn't realize it was non local consciousness. So 258 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.080 the idea develop more and more as it went along, and more stuff came 259 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.159 to me to fill in the gaps. And in twenty thirteen we were talking 260 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.120 about this just before the show. That's when the first woman came. I 261 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.720 was in Phoenix. I was giving my first, one of my first consciousness 262 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.879 lectures at the big New Fund group in Phoenix, was a big, very 263 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.359 giant group there and uh, Stacy, who runs the group, says to 264 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.240 me, are you still going to talk to Pam Depueet? And I said, 265 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.839 yeah, I guess. So I figured I must have agreed to talk 266 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.400 to someone I don't know who she is. And that's good. She's coming 267 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.920 to my house on Monday and you'll meet her there. And so I said, 268 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.279 okay, whatever. So Pam comes to the to the to the door 269 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:25.680 with her with her partner and she says, so, what'd Stacy tell you 270 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.279 about me? I said, I don't know. She just said you wanted 271 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.440 to talk to me and it was important, and she said, yeah, 272 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.000 it's good. She comes walking in. She's talking about I was a doctor, 273 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.000 I was with a diaper and the beings were there and all this sort 274 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:37.960 of stuff. And she's going on and I remote you for the government. 275 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:40.839 She's going through all the stuff and it's like, whatever, I've heard this 276 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.200 stuff like a thousand times ago. Going and so she and she's in her 277 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.279 seventies and then she says to me, oh, and I was flying the 278 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.039 craft last night. I went, you are what and she says, I 279 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.000 was flying the craft and I was all I could think of was Saudi Arabian 280 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.559 women who aren't allowed to drive it. And now it's different, but they 281 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.000 weren't allowed to drive a car unless their brother or a man was in the 282 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.640 car. And I'm going they let you fly the flying saucer. I just 283 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.440 believe I was listening to this. They let you fly flying saucer. He 284 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.200 says, yeah, I've flown three different models. And I said, they 285 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.240 let you fly the flying saucer, but you fly a flying saucer, and 286 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.720 she says, you do it with your mind. And as soon as she 287 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.200 said that, I knew, I knew why they had set me up to 288 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:22.240 talk here because I was doing this consciousness thing. And that led to this 289 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.559 book that's about to come out called The UFO Skypilots, where I gather three 290 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:32.200 thousand people from all different professions US Air Force retired Colonel seven four seven United 291 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:36.480 Airlines pilots, mostly women, which is kind of weird. I mean, 292 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.920 you know, if you're a Saudi Arabian woman and you get abducted, they'll, 293 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:41.720 you know, you'll let you fly the craft. No no brother in 294 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.880 the car in this craft, no insurance, no license, nothing, just 295 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.799 go ahead and fly it. And it came to this whole thing. Why 296 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.799 are they allowing people to fly the craft or the other thing that you see 297 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.839 off And if you go back to experiences, which is the key to this 298 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:57.400 whole thing, you got to talk to the experiences. The people are the 299 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:03.559 beings. They'll describe children and sitting in a room in a circle and playing 300 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.880 this game and they're being taught to levitate things. And there's these three different 301 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:10.680 colored balls and they're levitating these three different types of balls. And you see 302 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:12.599 this this sort of thing that people are being trained to do this kind of 303 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:17.720 stuff. So that's basically what the consciousness saying. And nothing has ever really 304 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.960 gone wrong since that consciousness saying. Everything that I've gotten in the surf flow 305 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.920 states, nothing has ever turned out to be wrong. I had the twenty 306 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.480 and twelve experience, then I had the one in twenty seventeen. Again, 307 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:30.559 I'm walking. I'm walking downtime, which is six mile walk. I go 308 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.640 for coffee two miles in and then I keep walking and I know exactly I 309 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.720 can't remember exactly what year was. I think it was twenty seventeen, but 310 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:42.039 I'm walking down the street and the flow state starts and I go get get 311 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.640 a pen and start writing this stuff down. And there was twenty four things 312 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.640 that were given to me, one after another, and it was cold. 313 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.680 I take my glove off. I was writing this on this piece of paper, 314 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:53.240 and luckily I did. Because it's like a dream. You will not 315 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.960 remember it if you unless you write it down. So I wrote all this 316 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:03.440 stuff down and it was basic, the whole idea of At one point they 317 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.160 said, not only have you got it wrong, it's exactly the opposite of 318 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.519 what you think it is. And it was this idea. Is the world 319 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.839 made out of nuts and bolts. If it is, that's one world, 320 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:15.799 and that has all certain rules and regulations. But it's made out of consciousness, 321 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.440 that's a completely different world, and it's got different rules and regulations. 322 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.160 Everything's going to change. Is it. Is it one life? If it's 323 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:27.279 one life, then that's one one set of circumstances. But if it's multiple 324 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:32.000 lives, everything changes. Is it random? If it's random, it's one 325 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.880 world. But if it's pattern, if it's all falling a pattern, it's 326 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.240 a different world. It was these twenty four things. Is it this? 327 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:40.480 And this is the idea? You think it's this exactly, it's exactly the 328 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.720 opposite idea, and all that has turned out to be true as well. 329 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:47.319 None of that has ever turned out to be wrong. So I've used a 330 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:51.640 lot of this flow state stuff where I know when I get the flow state, 331 00:20:51.680 --> 00:20:55.119 it usually starts where I could feel it coming. Then I wrote right 332 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.319 down one idea and then it starts to flow, and I madly write this 333 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.720 stuff down, and I never in I've got maybe a thousand pieces of paper. 334 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.720 I never reread the pieces of paper. Once I write it down, 335 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:08.759 then it's sort of in my mind. And that's where I'm working. And 336 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.759 so I say, at the bottom line is the experiencers are the people who 337 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:15.400 are in the field. Did the beings have shown them how to get in 338 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.039 the field? And a lot of that may have to do with disassociation. 339 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.119 And I make the joke, why does an alien come into your room and 340 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.720 scare the living daylights out of you? I mean, why would it? 341 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.079 Wake up? Wake up? Wake up, come on, wake up, 342 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.000 and they wake up in as soon as you wake up, to put your 343 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.720 hand on your head and say, okay, go back to sleep, and 344 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.359 you go back to sleep again. And I think that may be part of 345 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:37.279 this dissociation thing. It's this trauma, this dissociation, ripping the veil, 346 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.039 getting you ready to go. And the more I see, the more I 347 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.039 realize that it is not the world we think it is. I call it 348 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.599 the fourteen ninety two dilemma. It looks like the world is flat, it 349 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.519 looks like the sun goes around the earth. It looks like everything's solid. 350 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.039 It looks like there's aliens coming from out there. There may not be any 351 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:56.400 time, There may not be any space, especially when you look at out 352 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.759 of body experience material where you take a look at the out of body experience, 353 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:04.960 which a lot of experiences eighty percent of all experiences say they've had an 354 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.440 out of body experience, and that's not everybody, but it's getting pretty close. 355 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:11.839 And then you start wondering, is this actually an event or is this 356 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.039 is this an out of body experience? Is there really a physical world? 357 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.079 Is there really a physical reality? Or are we in these different realities? 358 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.000 Because if you take a look all to end at this, if you take 359 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.200 a look at the nearness experience, if you have not a near well nearness 360 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:26.359 experience, the same thing, but if you have an out of body experience 361 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.680 where you leave your body and you look back at your body. You can 362 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.119 see your body there, and you can see the head which has the brain 363 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:38.000 in it. And then you go, is consciousness in the brain And you 364 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.440 go, oh, it's not in the brain. Your body is in your 365 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.359 consciousness. Your consciousns is there. You can see the brain, the brain. 366 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.839 The conscious is not in the brain. Is your sight in your eyes? 367 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.160 We have these kids who do the blindfold. No, because you're seeing 368 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.599 and so you can even actually look around and you see the alien. Is 369 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.720 the alien out there? No, the aliens in your consciousness. Look out 370 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:03.440 the way it's nighttime. You see the stars in the planets. Is that 371 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.720 stuff out there? No, it's in your consciousness. And that's what Deepak 372 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.960 Troper says. Now you start to see this holographic universe, the simulated universe, 373 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.559 the beings in Great Britain. AT's say it's all an illusion or Deepak 374 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.400 Troper says, everything's in activity inside consciousness. And that's where we're going in 375 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.799 eufology. That's I think the big secret is that it is not the physical 376 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.680 world we think it is. It's this very complex thing that is all inside. 377 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.400 If there's no time in space, and I've had lots of people who've 378 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:34.839 flown the craft, who will talk about unbelievable things. You can do instantaneous 379 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.440 movement from one point of the universe to the other, if there's no time 380 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:44.680 in space, If everything's inside your awareness, inside your consciousness, how big 381 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.960 is the universe? You're in my consciousness, I'm in your consciousness. Everything 382 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:55.160 is as they said. Greer used to use the expression the Sufi poet who 383 00:23:55.240 --> 00:24:00.359 said you see yourself as a puny form when the universe is folded within you. 384 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.960 If that is true, if the universe is within you, or as 385 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:10.720 John Wheeler, the famous quantum physicists said, there's no out there out there 386 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.920 if it's all inside. The whole world is a different world than what we 387 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.799 think it is. We're just making these illusions. We think it looks solid, 388 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.240 we think it looks flat. We think the sun's going around the earth. 389 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.799 We think there's only five thousand stars, there's only one galaxy. And 390 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:29.119 the more we realize, the more we realize that we have got it wrong, 391 00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:36.039 almost like they've mutilated the whole scientific method. The kart. When you 392 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:41.079 start looking at Rennie Decart, what he said was not be skeptical of new 393 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:45.119 ideas. He said he was skeptical of all the material that he had been 394 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.640 taught. I have to tear down my former life, and that's the thing 395 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.920 we are. We can't give up the stuff we learned in school, and 396 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.480 all these ideas, we won't drop them. And because you have anomalies or 397 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:02.440 Gary Nolan from who works with the you know, the Visual College people, 398 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:06.839 he does the DNA stuff, he said, it's the five percent anomalies that 399 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:11.160 he's interested in because it's the five percent anomalies that tell you there's something wrong 400 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.279 with the way we're viewing stuff. And when you figure out the five percent 401 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.559 anomalies, you're gonna win them the Bell Prize and have the inventions. As 402 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.079 long as you continue to believe that everything you've got is right, you're never 403 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:27.079 going to go anywhere. Love it, DJ, I think you're on mood. 404 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:33.200 That's right, Thank you, brother. Yeah. Not only was uh 405 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.200 it amazing to be able to get you on the show, but the topics 406 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:44.240 that you're covering I analogize to like going to Albuquerque and getting a Mexican soap 407 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.880 a pia, and the soap apia comes out and it's a warm piece of 408 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:55.400 sort of pastry bread. It's not flaky and then when they bring you over 409 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.839 the honey or the spicy honey. Because for Nathan, you talking about consciousness 410 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:03.279 and different realities. This is like he's got the warm soap apia and now 411 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.240 he's gonna dip it in that honey, and now I'm really really hungry. 412 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:12.960 Yes, this is just like you're You're right in his wheelhouse everything and so 413 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.799 and so, Nathan and I were having a discussion, uh of consciousness that 414 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.240 has gone throughout the weekend, and I pose this question to him today. 415 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:27.759 So I'll pose it to you with regard to consciousness, do you suppose because 416 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:32.759 you know, we all, I think everybody that's on this cat this broadcast 417 00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.079 today believes that when this physical body passes, our consciousness will remain. And 418 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:42.480 my question to you would be, is there agency as to where that consciousness 419 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:48.519 goes and what it does? We talk about spirits that are in a house 420 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:53.039 that that that seemed to be UH want to affix themselves to a physical place 421 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:57.279 and then interact with people that that inhabit the home. But but do you 422 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:03.720 think that consciousness uh has agency? Your consciousness mind? Everyone here? Okay, 423 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:08.640 So I go much more fundamental. There is no out there, out 424 00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:12.880 there, there is just consciousness. So when you read Bielman, if you 425 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.720 interview Bielman, who's the top guy on iudabout experience, he's the one that 426 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:19.640 first triggered this with me. He said, you're not going anywhere. You're 427 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.960 going within yourself. When you die, you go within yourself. There's no 428 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.880 out there out there. The time and space is this whole weird thing is 429 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.160 what happens if it's all inside your consciousness. So you're going within. And 430 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.119 I'll give you an example. I have an AI friend of mine who's an 431 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.359 AI expert, and we got into the psychedelic thing. I wrote a book 432 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:47.720 on psychedelics. I did sixteen high dose sessions of psilocybin and recorded everything as 433 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.440 it was going on and stuff like that. And he was doing the DMT 434 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:55.400 stuff and he contacts me the one day and I knew this STATUD already existed, 435 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.400 but he said, I had a classic abduction experience last night. And 436 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.079 I said, you did what? He said? Yeah? I said, 437 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.960 well that was the story that when when Strassman did the DMT experiments, he 438 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.279 had this thing where fifty percent of all the people said they had seen beings 439 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.720 and they're lying on a couch. This is ten minutes in a DMT thing. 440 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.319 And and strawsman is going, have you been abducted? Do you think 441 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:18.319 you've been abducted? And going no, I don't think so, I don't. 442 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.599 And and so when this AI guy said, I said, well, 443 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:26.319 tell me exactly what this is. What is what do you mean classic? 444 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.519 He said, it was classic abduction tape. I'm on a table. I 445 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.680 can't see the beings, but I can see their arms, and they're working 446 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:33.720 on my head there. It's like you always hear this thing. They're working 447 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.079 on your brain or something. And I said, really, And so where 448 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.839 did he go? He didn't go anywhere. He was lying on a couch. 449 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.000 And yet he said, and everybody will say, whether it's psychedelics, 450 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.599 where there's near death experience, where they's ought about experience, that's the real 451 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.799 world. We think, oh, it's just an illusion. No, they'll 452 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.680 say, that's the real world. You're in the illusion. This was more 453 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.519 real than the real world. And you start to get this. So the 454 00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:02.720 whole thing is there, it's there is no separate and consciousness. So because 455 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:07.799 we again we're buying into these these religious ideas, scientific ideas. The idea 456 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:14.240 of materialism was raised by Karl Marx, who invented communism in eighteen forties. 457 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:15.960 In eighteen forties, that's when he came up with the idea of materialism. 458 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.200 Before there was the idea, no idea of materialism, that there's just this 459 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:25.039 material thing and so we have we And the biblical thing plays into the same 460 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.039 game. Is God created the heaven and the earth, and then he took 461 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.279 took them and then he breathed in a soul. Well, no, if 462 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:36.599 you look at the new stuff, this the idea of the simulated universe and 463 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.319 the holographic universe, it's all consciousness. So what I would say, and 464 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.599 my bottom line would be, there is just consciousness. It's all made out 465 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:47.480 of consciousness. And God did not create the heaven and the earth. God 466 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.319 split off the particles, the sparks of the divine and they created the heaven 467 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.400 and the earth because it's all made out of consciousness. We're creating the heaven 468 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.720 and the earth. It's all created, and so we have to get away 469 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:06.480 I think with from the idea that there's this physical with that's infested with consciousness, 470 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:11.079 when in fact it's the the whole idea of the dual slid experiment that 471 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.960 the material does not appear until there's an observer. It's all being created by 472 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.759 consciousness. There is no or a deepak troper sense. Everything is an activity 473 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.559 inside consciousness. And yeah, I want to think Sothan Nathan studied divinity. 474 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.920 I'd like to, if you don't mind, get his take on what you 475 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:32.559 just said regarding God's role in all this and consciousness. Well, I mean, 476 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:34.680 if I understand your grants, I think that what I'm from what I've 477 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:40.000 read as well, that God is just a word that we're using. It's 478 00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:44.200 just a it's it's a label that we've used as in our religious traditions that 479 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.599 really kind of describes source and consciousness being mind at large. I mean, 480 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.680 that's essentially God. But what I would be curious about is do you think 481 00:30:53.680 --> 00:31:00.400 of mind at large as in any way sort of anthropomorphic or is it just 482 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.680 kind of, as as you said earlier, just this foundational state of existence. 483 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.359 It doesn't have its own particular agency like you and I do, but 484 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:14.920 it is kind of the well spring from which all other individuated consciousnesses derive. 485 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.279 Yeah, well, that's the thing, is the individual consciousness that the source, 486 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:25.920 whoever you want to call it cannot if there's no duality, it doesn't 487 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.200 even know who it is itself. I mean, it's it's just it's just 488 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:34.079 one thing. So once once you have my assistant Desta Barnaby, it does 489 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.279 this channeling stuff. And she had this one thing that she described to me 490 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:45.839 where she saw how it started was you're in this state of complete silence, 491 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:51.480 no vibrations. So when the consciousness, the self, the higher self, 492 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.039 the source, whatever, starts to vibrate, it's the whole idea of the 493 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.000 Maya, the illusion, the illusion starts and it's all by so dense. 494 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.079 The more it vibrates, you get these different levels, but there is no 495 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.160 levels. We always it's one of the things they said to me in twenty 496 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.519 seventeen, is is it one thing or is it separate? And we always 497 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.480 want to go to the separation thing because our left brain is running it and 498 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.680 the left brain wants details. And then once the details inside the details and 499 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.559 it wants to break things down, let's make lists. So we get lists 500 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.119 and we say, oh, there's these levels of reality and different levels of 501 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:28.720 dimension. There is there is no levels. It's like falling in the water 502 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:30.519 and you drop down to fifty feet and you see this fish and you say 503 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.440 what level am I at? And the fish says, stupid, you're in 504 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.799 the water. I mean, you're just in the water. And the closer 505 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.880 you get to the surface, the closer you get the source, the more 506 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.039 the brighter it gets and the more you can see. So we're at the 507 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.000 bottom of the ocean in this darkness. And when you change your vibration through 508 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.559 meditation through seventy one contact model as it went through. When you change your 509 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:59.000 vibration, you start to you start to elevate through the different vibrations and the 510 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.839 more you're vibration changes, the more you see different things. So if you're 511 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.599 in a near death experience, you're a different vibration. Out about experience. 512 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.200 In a different vibration, you see different things. And the closer you get 513 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.160 to source, the closer you get to the top, the more light there 514 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.680 is in the water, the more you can see. But it's all the 515 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:19.079 same thing where we want to change it into these levels and and put names 516 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.119 on things, but that's left brain doing it. It's all on activity, 517 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.039 as Deepak Shoppers says, it's all activity inside consciousness. When you break it 518 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:31.839 down, it's all us creating this this environment. If you've if you've interviewed 519 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.880 Mark Simms, Mark Simms talks about it. And also the other one that 520 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.400 I was a big fan of. I've had four big experience in my life. 521 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:45.160 One was seeing doctor Michael Newton lecture. Doctor Michael Newton is behind Life 522 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.200 between Lives and when I saw that, I couldn't I couldn't think for two 523 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:52.519 days when I saw so Michael Newton talks about this idea that in this soul 524 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:54.480 world, these people are building stuff and he's going, what are you building? 525 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.880 The guy says, making a rock. He said, you're making to 526 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.519 rock and he said, well, yeah, I'm not very I'm not very 527 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.880 good at this yet. And this is the thing they're using consciousness to create 528 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.680 or they're building these animals to put on different planets and and this is this 529 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.559 idea and Mark Simms. So when Mark Simms came forward, I don't know 530 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.199 if his experience he was with Stephen Greer in the C five and he has 531 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.000 this this light appears and so I always asked these certain questions to people. 532 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.360 I say, so what was it doing? Same as mine as so what 533 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.360 was it doing? Wasn't doing anything. Did everybody see it or just you 534 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.639 see it? No, it's sort of just I sort of I saw it. 535 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.719 Maybe somebody else saw, but I think just I saw it. And 536 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:31.960 I said, do you think it was for you? Yeah? I think 537 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.599 so. And he sees this light and then he goes and does this C 538 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:40.480 five protocol in the room and this being tar Tea. Bar appears and he's 539 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.480 in his body for thirteen days, and Bar gives him this you seem float 540 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:47.480 chart. He gives them exactly the same flow chart that is Michael Newton, 541 00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.519 and this whole idea that it starts with very simple things with Adams, and 542 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.679 and he just gets more complex and more complex, and we're creating all this 543 00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.000 stuff consciousness. Like Adams have consciousness. Everything has consciousness. So the consciousness 544 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.880 of different levels, and it gets more and more complex, and the universe 545 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:07.519 is getting more complex and at level fifteen in Mark Simms flow chart, the 546 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.800 beings are creating galaxies. And so that's how it works. It's this flow 547 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.079 chart and the universe is all information. It's getting more complex and more magnificent, 548 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.360 but it's all consciousness. We're creating consciousness. We have to get away 549 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.639 from the idea that there's this matter that has consciousness in it. It's consciousness 550 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.000 creates matter, not the other way around. The same as the thing with 551 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.440 the near death experience or the outer body experience. When you look back and 552 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:35.440 see your brain, you realize your brain and all of the world, the 553 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.280 stars, the planets, it's all inside your consciousness. That's the whole deal 554 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:44.800 is we make this assumption that we're inside the brain, and then the consciousness 555 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:49.000 leaves and floats around. But Bueldman will say, and near death experience people 556 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:51.480 will say, no, you're not going anywhere. You're going inside yourself. 557 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:53.840 You're just going back in through these different levels. It's all within yourself. 558 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:59.159 And it may just be like a singularity, a point in space, and 559 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.519 it's manipulated. It looks like it's big, it looks like there's stars. 560 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.199 That's why I say it. I have the one guy whose name is Ron 561 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.719 Johnson, who had the craft line where they say to him, where would 562 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.840 you like to go? And he says, oh, I would like to 563 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.960 see the Milky Way. They got him sitting in a chair and he's got 564 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:20.760 his hands on this chair and they say, wherever you think is where we're 565 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.360 going to go. So he says where would you like to go? He 566 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.440 says, I'd like to see the Milky Way from a distance. And they 567 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.639 say this is gonna be very violent for about one second, and he said, 568 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.599 it was like heavy, heavy g forces and this vibration for one second 569 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:34.239 the window was open. He looked and there was the Milky Way in the 570 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.519 distance. That was one second. So if that's true, we got a 571 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.519 real problem with time and space. Is there such a thing in time as 572 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.920 time and space in the real consciousness world? And if there's isn't how big 573 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.360 is the universe? The universe may just actually be a point in space, 574 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.639 even like like the whole thing with John Wheeler again said this whole idea, 575 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:54.840 there's only one electron. And if that's true, I mean, it's like 576 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.199 the electron moving back and forth. It's this whole idea. It's impression. 577 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.199 It looks like it's it looks like the sun's going around here. We've got 578 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.480 to realize what's actually going on. And that's where I change from other people, 579 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.599 where people want to take a look at UFO settings and gather how many 580 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.079 green ones and red ones and all that kind of stuff. There is no. 581 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.559 You talk to the experiences and they will actually ask the beings, and 582 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.880 the beings will tell them what's actually going on. And when you start looking 583 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.599 at it, you start seeing these patterns. Thirty seven percent of pad near 584 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.039 death experiences, eighty percent have had out of body experiences twenty five percent or 585 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:28.639 talk to about reincarnation. You start seeing these patterns of what people are being 586 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.119 told being told and that is this stuff that's in the field, or people 587 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.079 who say they knew everything. It's in the field, and that is more 588 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.039 accurate information than the rational, analytical left brain that is sitting here and shuffling 589 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.159 around the blocks. It's like, we have this idea. We got all 590 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.599 these puzzle pieces, and the left brain is shuffling these puzzle pieces trying to 591 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.960 put them together, and some of the pieces don't fit, but they're still 592 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.199 trying to make them fit. You've got to figure out that we're missing some 593 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.199 of the puzzle pieces, and that if you go into the field and pull 594 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.000 out material back. So I'm very interested in people who channel. I'm very 595 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:04.360 interested in people who have out about experiences, nearness experiences, psychedelics experiences, 596 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.840 UFO experiences, because they're in the field, and that material is going to 597 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.800 be much more accurate than the stuff that's now even go back five thousand years 598 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.920 the idea of maya, the idea of the illusion, that it's all an 599 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:21.119 illusion, it's all consciousness. That's a five thousand year old idea that suddenly 600 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.880 when we came to simulated universe, everyone, oh, yeah, we just 601 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.039 invented the simulated universe. It's all good at video game just saying out this 602 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:30.360 is a five thousand year old idea. Those people had it. They meditated 603 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.199 to get in the field five thousand years ago and they pulled that material. 604 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.320 And that's the thing is, when you start looking at the material in the 605 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.440 field, I think it's going to be more accurate than trying to shuffle these 606 00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.199 pieces around and not look at the five percent that Gary Nolan talked about. 607 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.840 It's five percent of the puzzle pieces that don't fit that tell you something is 608 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:52.360 wrong. You've got something figured out and it's not accurate. This is uh 609 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:59.039 man, This conversation is something that really makes all the synapses in your brain 610 00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.400 fire. When we start talking about the size of the universe, who start 611 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.599 thinking about I know we're about to go to Flair's Kevin, and his synapses 612 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.679 are fired and and the you know, like the voyager that went to Mars, 613 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.079 Like what what would happen if we just let that that craft, you 614 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.679 know, continue on, Like what does it end up seeing? Because it 615 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.400 is, you know, how big is the universe? But Kevin, I'm 616 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.039 sure you can answer all these questions, but go ahead and ask grant the 617 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.639 question that you have. Oh wow, man, So yeah, I'm glad 618 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:29.199 that we're talking about uh flow state and phenomenon. Because I'm an artist. 619 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:35.280 I've experienced flow state writing poetry, writing fiction. I'm a musician. Also, 620 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:39.039 I've experienced with and without people, other people playing music like a band. 621 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.920 I've experienced flow state. Also on martial artists. I've experienced it during 622 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:50.239 a sparring session. I also teach kids diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder, and 623 00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.840 I have experienced it while teaching these groups of kids. This flow state. 624 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:59.880 So the flow state, I'm even trying to come up with an operational death 625 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.400 mission for it. So what I've got is it's for me. It's basically 626 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:08.880 it's a physical the station of unity between fluency of a skill and the self 627 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.960 expressed over time. That's how I seem to notice it. So how do 628 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.079 you think that art connects our consciousness to the phenomenon as a whole? Like, 629 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:24.599 do you think it's perhaps like maybe a frequency like you're saying, do 630 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:29.679 you think I'll give you my my my impression? I basically I wrote a 631 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.639 book called Tuned in the Paranormal World of Music. I wrote a whole book 632 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:37.519 on musicians where they get their sounds from the download songs and the spontaneous songs. 633 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.960 And they're all very right brain creative people. And that's what they said. 634 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:44.840 To Roger Lear, who did the seventeen alien implants in Los Angeles, 635 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.320 said what's common between all experiences? He said, they're all right brain creative 636 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.360 people, and there's tons of them in Hollywood, and and all implants are 637 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.400 on the left side of the body. That's what he said. Yet two 638 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.039 hundred and fifty implants said, look at all implants are on the left side 639 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.679 of the body. The left side of the body is right by the right 640 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.960 brain, the right the left vice versa. So the right right brain runs 641 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.480 the left side of the body and the left brain runs the right side of 642 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:08.880 the body. So if all implants are on the left side of the body. 643 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.719 They ain't interested in your left brain. They're operating on your right brain, 644 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.199 which is the female creative brain. We have the male brain that's destroying 645 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.840 the world here, and then you have this idea of the female brain that 646 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.760 so you see musicians, it's all in art, it's all it's all visual, 647 00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.519 it's all right brain. So that's what you see in psychedelics, that's 648 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.079 what you see in dreams, that's what you see in all these sort of 649 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:36.239 things you're seeing. They don't come to you and say, uh, here's 650 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.119 a lecture and they stand up and give you a lecture or a left brain 651 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:43.039 lecture. They use images. That's what Jim Semivan said. You look at 652 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.360 Jim Semivan, the CIA guy who had the beings in his room. What 653 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.039 does he say. They talk in symbols. Symbols is right brain. It's 654 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.920 visual. And so musicians and artists you see a lot of them are experiencers 655 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.880 because they have this right brain. They're able to shut down the left brain. 656 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.480 The rational analytical people don't have the experiences because they're so wrapped up in 657 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.039 the ego and they're right their left brain to go. It's like I don't 658 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:08.840 need a brafing don't tell me what's going on. I'll tell you exactly. 659 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.159 And they can they use logic. I can stand on my feet and argue 660 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.800 with anybody. I don't need to read the book. I can argue with 661 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.760 you. But it's the it's the the idea that art. Definitely, we 662 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.079 went through. We did a bunch of podcasts with artists and how many of 663 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.519 them are experiences? And how many how do you get your art? And 664 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.440 where do your songs come from? And you'll ask people like just how long 665 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:31.960 it take that song to come blowing in the wind? Neil Neil Young and 666 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.599 the answer, my friend is blowing in the wind? Yeah, yeah, 667 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:39.079 what's this? What's his name? That don't remember? What artists? Someone's 668 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:45.519 got to google Bob Dylan. So they asked Bob Dylan on sixty minutes they 669 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.320 said, so you got you did that in ten minutes? You went, 670 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.239 yeah, So where do it come from? I don't. I'm not sure 671 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.559 that wellspring of creativity? And you see this over and over. Musicians don't. 672 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.599 Uh. Michael Jackson said he was embarrassed to put his name on the 673 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.920 songs because he said I didn't write them. He said, they definitely just 674 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.519 seemed to me. And that's the whole thing, and that is the ability 675 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.119 to shut down. So you've got to you got to shut down the left 676 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:15.639 brain. Musicians can do it is shut down that rational analytical thing that's creating 677 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:17.920 the noise. And once you get rid of the noise where his meditation or 678 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.360 however you're doing it, and you get into that flow state, the left 679 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.519 brain is shut down. The flow state is on and the stuff comes starts 680 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.800 coming in, but it's coming in through images. It's coming in sort of 681 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.840 intuitively and very vague, and you've got to sort of interpret it and stuff 682 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.079 like that. So that's my interpretation. I think artists are very important. 683 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.599 That's where like even uh Roger Lyri said, I mean all right brain creative 684 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.519 people. That was his interpretation to all experiencers who have been abducted. So 685 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.519 it's not like you're on the wrong street corner at the wrong time. It's 686 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.920 this whole idea that you're in the right mind state that they can they can 687 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.039 talk to you. If your left brain is going, they just can't talk 688 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.960 to you because your your your left brain is making too much noise. They 689 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:00.840 can't get the signal to you. Everybody can get the signal. It's the 690 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.280 ability to get in that state. I feel like I'm missing half of each, 691 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.159 like I only have half of the left and half of a right because 692 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:12.280 I'm not that analytical, I'm not that creative. I don't know if you 693 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.280 have anybody who can help me out. But well, the question, the 694 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.159 question to that is who's the eye that's talking. You often get that, 695 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.480 like Jim Simmivan came up and said, oh, I don't you know, 696 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.000 they made me very angry, And I was like, well, I and 697 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.320 or people say I get very upset, Well, who's upset? Is it 698 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.320 your egos upset? Or is your higher self to upset? It's always the 699 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.559 ego. It's the egos running the show, like trying to pick it up. 700 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.480 You know, I've got this figured out and and and we always have 701 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:42.000 to stay. You know. The idea that all spiritual literature has one component 702 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.280 to it says, remember who you actually are. That's what it's all about. 703 00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:49.440 Nobody ever thinks why did I come in the world, and where am 704 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.800 I going to go when I leave the world? And what am I doing 705 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.199 here? That's never a consideration by anybody. That is the number one thing 706 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:58.079 we should be working on is what the hell are we doing here? Like? 707 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.599 What is going on here? And and that's the idea as the way 708 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.159 I describe it's described by many traditions, spiritual traditions. The way I describe 709 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.960 it is, remember you are not the actor on the stage. You are 710 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:15.960 playing an actor on a stage, big difference. You're the person behind the 711 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:22.119 stage and you're you're you're a spiritual being having a physical incarnation. And when 712 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.280 you leave, it's like Whitley Strieber's wife, and I talked to Whitty about 713 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:32.039 this. Whitley's wife comes back after she dies since she says, Whitley, 714 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:37.440 I'd like to tell you I am no longer an, but I'll always be 715 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.000 and to you, which means I've gone on. I'm somebody else now, 716 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.320 I've gone on, but I'll always be a to you because you and I 717 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.719 played that role on stage. It's like when my father died. Two this 718 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.559 before my father died, his father came to see him and I said, 719 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.480 okay, so if his father had lived a thousand lives, why does he 720 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.599 come as my grandfather? Because he became as anybody else. My father would 721 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.280 know who the hell he was. We come in and we play whatever whatever 722 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.400 role we want to play. Or as there's a guy named you see Ronan 723 00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.079 who's an experience. He wrote a book called One, which is the main 724 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.320 message that the beings are trying to get across, this oneness message, and 725 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.480 and he the beings were in there were green beings that were in the room. 726 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.719 And the way they described it, when we come into your world, 727 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.360 we have to take on a body. We can take on whatever body we 728 00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.840 want. We don't need it, but we have to take it on to 729 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.360 come into the physical world. But we can, we can. We don't 730 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:31.039 need it. In our world. You can do the same thing. You 731 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.559 just don't know it. And that's the whole idea. Is that? So 732 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.599 you start looking at the beings where I'll say all beings are different. People 733 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.000 said grays. And when I put them all together, you start putting them 734 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.000 on a float chart and you start looking they're all different, They're all different, 735 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.199 And it's the whole idea is does John Mack brought this up? Does 736 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.599 the being that you see indicate who you are? If you're if you're in 737 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.440 fear, you see a gray, If you're you've got a sexual thing or 738 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.800 very high energy, you're going to see a reptilian and this whole idea, 739 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:05.920 uh, what you see maybe interpreted by your your your they know what you 740 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.400 want to see, they're showing you what. They're showing you what they think 741 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.440 you want to see, or we're seeing the whole. The idea is there's 742 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.440 only one consciousness. We're behind this whole thing. There's no them, there's 743 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:19.559 there's just us. We're creating this whole thing. We're interacting with other sparks 744 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.280 of the vine, but we're still creating this. So we interpret based upon 745 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:27.320 our feelings as to what they what they're going to look like, and we 746 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.639 build a world. It's it's the like, no two dreams of the same, 747 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:32.480 No two abduction experiences are the same. I would even say that no 748 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.760 two UFOs are the same. That if you start looking at them, like 749 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.400 why do UFOs of lights on them? It's like you know they they want 750 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.480 us to see them. And people are interpreting it differently based upon how they 751 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.480 see things. Because we're the ones that are creating the thing. We always 752 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.880 want to say there's something out there, the Einstein thing. I want to 753 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.679 believe the moon is behind me when I'm not looking, and it's the whole 754 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.199 idea. Is the moon actually behind you? Or are we creating this? 755 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:59.960 Is this collective reality? Are we making this correct collective thing that we are 756 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.000 reading everything? This is the whole idea. God did not create the heaven 757 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.400 in the earth or desires source or whatever you want to call it. That 758 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:10.039 we It's all consciousness. It's all being created by the consciousness in the universe, 759 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:15.360 and it's getting more complex, but there is no separate consciousness. We 760 00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.599 have this idea of AI that you can take AI and you can take the 761 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.719 consciousness out and put it into something, but it's all gonna It's all consciousness. 762 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:27.159 Everything we were starting to learn everything has consciousness in it. And when 763 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.239 you talk to people who did, like Sting the musician when he when he 764 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.360 was doing the ayahuasca in Peru or Brazil wherever he was, he said, 765 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.440 when they gave him the one, they said which one you would be stayed 766 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.960 and he goes, that's me, Well we got special one for you, 767 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.400 and they give him this huge thing and he's absolutely like totally blown away. 768 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.599 I mean he's just like he said, he went to the guy and begged 769 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:51.280 him to get rid of him and get helped me out of this thing. 770 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.880 And he said, and and I suddenly realized everything was alive and conscious. 771 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.400 And I looked at a little plant coming out of the ground and I said, 772 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.840 that's my brother. It's this concept that it's all all consciousness, all 773 00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.239 create out of consciousness. And that's what people will say when they have these 774 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.760 experiences. They suddenly realize everything is alive and conscious, and it's all consciousness. 775 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.679 So when you have the craft, you have the AI. Yes, 776 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.599 the craft is conscious. Everybody that's flown the craft will tell you the craft 777 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:20.119 is conscious, it's alive. And when you put your hand on a panel 778 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.639 or on a ball or wherever they get you to put your hand, and 779 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.039 you become one of the craft. Every says the same thing. The seven 780 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.679 four to seven Airline pile, he said, I had the dream twice and 781 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.519 he said that Joe Burks told me. He said, you know, I 782 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.039 don't think it's a dream. Tell me this story and he said, I 783 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:36.480 had a dream last year. And here's the seven four seven four hundred United 784 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.199 Airlines pilot describing this thing that he became one of the craft. He said, 785 00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.840 was like it was totally he was totally linked in. He became the 786 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.039 craft and whatever he thought is what the craft did. And that's this whole 787 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.119 idea that people will say. The being will say to you, okay, 788 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.800 where do you want to go, And they'll say, I want to go 789 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.079 somewhere and they say, okay, you imagine it. You have to imagine 790 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:58.360 it, get it in your mind. And they say, as soon as 791 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.880 they get into mind, they are there staneously wherever it is in the universe. 792 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.280 And that's this whole idea when you start if that stories are true, 793 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.119 the idea that we have of how the universe works is totally messed up. 794 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:13.239 Is so we're missing the boat, maybe this totally different thing that it's the 795 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.760 physical thing. When you break down all the physical uh stuff, it breaks 796 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.800 down into smaller and smaller components and ends up being energy, it ends up 797 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:25.800 being vibration. And and even Neils Borr said, back in one hundred years 798 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.920 ago, he said, there is no and this is the guy won on 799 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.159 the bellt price for the autumn. He said, there is no matter as 800 00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:36.000 such. We're still in this belief that there is this physical thing and it's 801 00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:39.199 solid and it's it doesn't have any consciousness in it. And these are all 802 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.239 ideas that I say are end up are going to end up being totally wrong. 803 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:46.360 Yeah, yeah, I agree, Deb. I knew you had a 804 00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.480 question. I wanted to make sure you had a chance to ask it. 805 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.039 Yeah. I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I've said a couple 806 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.840 of times, try to try to get it all. But but one thing 807 00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.320 I've noticed though, is that there seems to be an aspect that's like maybe 808 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:07.760 a shared consciousness because some of my experiences and meditation other people have experienced as 809 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.840 well. And and we were actually touching on this a little bit before the 810 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:16.199 show. One of the things that I've experienced in meditation was being shown how 811 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:21.280 to fly the craft. It was not with controls, it was with my 812 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.440 mind, and it was, you know, like the craft is alive. 813 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.320 It becomes a part of you, like an extension. And I guess my 814 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:37.400 question is why do you think it is that we're having these shared commonalities with 815 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:46.519 our experiences? It was a teaching process. It's all developing and learning and 816 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.559 making more and making the universe more complex. It's all, it's all going 817 00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.840 to be the whole concept. How do you Why are we here? I 818 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.639 mean we're here to learn certain things to experience certain things, even just a 819 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:07.079 lot of the people, whether it's the guides called the guides, Margie gets 820 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.719 the contact she's got with the beings. When I went to the beings in 821 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.159 Great Britain, I said to the beings, they wanted an interview, So 822 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.480 and they're actually gonna do the documentary that I'm gonna do an interview with these 823 00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.320 two women that contact these beings. And I asked the beings, I said, 824 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.280 are you extraterrestrials? And I said, oh, if you want us 825 00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.880 to be extra trustials, we could do that. Yeah, we can actually 826 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.159 take your dar our planet if you want. But no, we've always been 827 00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:35.360 here. And that's this whole idea is like is there actually any anything out 828 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:39.559 there? Or is it all within ourselves? So you have this this this 829 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:45.880 idea that we're all there, But in the end, it's this sparks of 830 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:49.119 the divine that are broken off and we work in pairs, if you follow 831 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.920 doctor Michael Newton, that we pair up in the old whole idea that we 832 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.719 may have. I had an agreement before we were born that all of us 833 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:58.599 are gonna get together and do the show. Okay, you're gonna do this 834 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.199 you're gonna do this, and everybody's got their little thing they're supposed to do, 835 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.119 and we're gathering together, but we're all players on a stage. We're 836 00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:07.239 all these actors on the stage, and we got to keep remembering that that 837 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:12.039 when it's all over. I mean you, if you take this too seriously 838 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.679 the world and actually believe the ego, who am I? You know, 839 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:17.280 the I I I I I I And and then you get off stage, 840 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.880 you know, your your your the people in your soul group are gonna say, 841 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:23.960 oh, DJ man, you you really buy it into that thing. 842 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.960 Man, You're really you got the Academy award, man, you just you 843 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.880 got you got. You played that so well. You actually believed it, 844 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.840 and we all believe it. We actually believe that we are. And then 845 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.360 once you die, you suddenly realize like, huh huh, you know, 846 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.920 I'm going on to a different life. And that was just an act. 847 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.400 That was just a play that we did. But it was to learn things. 848 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:45.760 It was to experience things to get it more complex. And I think 849 00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:50.960 the one thing I like to point out because my my my associate, Destha 850 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.519 and I had experienced, but she had this long channeling thing where she had 851 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:59.920 this, Uh, they basically told her it's all pre planned, just live. 852 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.519 I mean, you planned it. It's all like like like strings or 853 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:06.199 whatever. And she was describing this, and she was really angry because it 854 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.360 sort of disagreed with everything and she can actually have this contact back and forth, 855 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.719 and she's she's in this altered state and she's typing and she's in this 856 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.639 altered state and she's sort of fighting with them, and then they start stop 857 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:20.440 refusing to stop answering questions and stuff. And she was really upset about this, 858 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:22.519 and and it was this whole idea that it's all planned. But I 859 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.960 think it's planned between births, between lives. It's not like an overall plan 860 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:30.800 that when you come in you plan to get together with certain people and do 861 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.039 certain things, and you may veer off the path or stuff. But it's 862 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.639 basically this thing. And but she was basically and the being said the same 863 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.840 thing. Just enjoy it, because it's all it's you. You planned this 864 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:44.480 whole thing. I mean, you came in to do this. And that's 865 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:46.320 what we always forget. We forget who we are. We came into the 866 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.039 world to do something, and we sort of think that we're we're individuals and 867 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.360 we're here. We're trying to rape, pillage, kill and steal. And 868 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:58.599 in the end, we've come in to do something, so we don't really 869 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.760 have to worry about what anybody else doing, whether it's right or wrong, 870 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.400 because in the end, I've never converted anybody in eupology. I've never convinced 871 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.320 anybody of anything. And I read Stanton Friedman's files. He spent sixty one 872 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.440 years arguing with the top skeptics. He never convinced anybody. People are on 873 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.760 their own little path. And so it comes down to why did I come 874 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:20.239 into the world, What am I supposed to be doing? And am I 875 00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.360 doing it? Because when you leave, according to Michael Newton, they only 876 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:27.079 ask you one question. When you go in front of this panel of Life 877 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.159 Review with three to twelve people where these medals around their chest or whatever, 878 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:35.760 you only ask you one question. Try to work out and you can't say, 879 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.400 well, you know foreign for a hill or Clinton and my mother in 880 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:43.480 law and you know all this sort of stuff. I would have done something, 881 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.480 and they go, no, no, no, no time out telling 882 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.360 this is about you. What you agreed to do this to go into the 883 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:51.960 world and do this how to work out, and there's no you know, 884 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.840 damning or whatever. It's like, oh, you know I was gonna do 885 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.519 it, I forgot or you know, I got scared or whatever. And 886 00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.800 that's I think what it all comes down to is is remembering who we are. 887 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:06.280 That we are energy beings. Fifty five percent of all people talk about 888 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:12.320 energy beings. And I'm actually going to interview a woman who's an oceanographer. 889 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.800 I don't know if you've ever heard of her, Ingrid Uncola, who's she 890 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.400 worked for NASA and she worked for the Navy. She's been in seventy five 891 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.840 different countries. She's got a PhD. And she had a near experience at 892 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.159 three years old. And you start looking at that and you see exactly the 893 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.400 same things she said. I was, I was out of my body. 894 00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:36.079 She was drowned in a pool in the back in the backyard, and she's 895 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.559 there and she said she suddenly she was above the maid and she's says, 896 00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:42.519 oh, there's there's Maria, and then she boom, she's above her mother 897 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:44.920 and she says, oh, there's mom. And as as soon as she 898 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:46.679 said that, her mother realized something was going wrong. She goes running back 899 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:50.000 to the house, ten minute run back to the house, and then she 900 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.400 said she sees this dog and she goes, oh, a dog, and 901 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:57.639 she loves dogs. She said, instantaneously she was with the dog. And 902 00:56:57.679 --> 00:56:59.920 then she looked at the park and she goes, oh, look at the 903 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.920 and she was instantaneously at the park. And then she saw a tree and 904 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.360 she said, I was instantaneously at the tree. You remember, this is 905 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:09.000 a PhD in oceanography, and she's describing exactly what the people on board the 906 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:14.119 ship are saying. You think of something, it's instantaneously you are actually there, 907 00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.719 the same as out of body experienced people will describe exactly what people on 908 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.719 board the ship will describe. Three hundred and sixty degree vision. You never 909 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:23.960 hear about that, and you hear it. And when I saw that, 910 00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.000 I went, they're talking the same thing. This is all got to be 911 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.079 linked. It's all got to be the same thing. Or for example, 912 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:35.199 Ron Johnson, So Ron Johnson, and you've got to interview this guy. 913 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.920 If you've ever Neard never interviewed Ron Johnson. Had being his name is Being's 914 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:43.719 name was Elb, and Elb takes him to the spirit world three times. 915 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:45.519 In the third time, second time he's the first time, it's sort of 916 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.679 at Evan Alexander thing. It's sort of he's in the mud. He's you 917 00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.159 know, it's just sort of darkness or whatever. The second time he's in 918 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.800 the spirit world with his mother, but he can't see his mother. The 919 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:59.159 third time he's with his mother's he's actually walking around the spirit world. And 920 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.519 he's a Latter day Saint guy. And he said, she takes me to 921 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.119 this building. It looks like a temple in nephi Utah. And she said, 922 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:08.599 bron when you come, you're going to get a room in this building. 923 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:14.079 And and he says, I go into the building and he says, 924 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:15.559 you know what, it was like ten to one hundred times the sizy in 925 00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:17.960 the building as it was outside the building. I said, hey, this 926 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.159 is exactly what Chris Bussl said about being inside the craft. That's exactly what 927 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.760 hell put Off talks about. That's exactly what Terry Lovelace said. Terry Lovelace 928 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.960 said was an ordinary side craft. He went inside, it was the size 929 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:31.880 of a football stadium inside. That's exactly the same story. He's in the 930 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:36.280 sparewell, that guy's in the UFO and you start wondering, this has all 931 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:37.719 got to be the same thing. They're in this same sort of thing where 932 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.800 this time and space and everything is is bizarre, where you're creating this this 933 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:45.639 sort of world that you're in. And that's where I see these crossovers that 934 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.880 when you start looking at the data between out about experience, near anth experience, 935 00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.199 UFO abduction, you start seeing these parallels that are not coincidence. There's 936 00:58:55.239 --> 00:59:00.519 no way they're coincidence. You see this sort of stuf for the idea where 937 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:07.800 eighty percent of all, you know, people who have been abducted say they've 938 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.960 had out about experiences. And then I remember I asked von Smith one time, 939 00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.199 how many people who her abductee people who have had paranormal experiences happen. 940 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:21.199 She starts laughing. She goes like, totally common. And we want to 941 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.239 change it because our our ego is wanting to be the center of attention, 942 00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:27.280 so it's got to be the fear. So we turned it into fear. 943 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.639 So what do we do. We say, oh, the hitchhiker skinwalker ranch 944 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.599 and followed these people home and stuff, and it's like Ron Johnson, Ron 945 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:36.599 Johnson tells the story. It's like and we all knew this e anybody in 946 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.840 paranormal knows this hitchhiker happens all across the paranormal for it was not just UFOs. 947 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.599 So Ron Johnson has this thing where he says, I go to this 948 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.920 graveyard and to this vault in this graveyard, and I set up the camera 949 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.159 outside the vault and I go bang on the vault and I say, come 950 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:51.719 on, take a bet shirt. And he says, this thing comes out 951 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.559 of the vault. And he gets and he gets it on film and thing 952 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.320 comes out of the vault. He said took him five years to get rid 953 00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.039 of the thing. Thing followed him around to three different houses for five years. 954 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.000 That's Skinwalker. That's the the whole uh you know, hitchhiker thing. 955 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.000 It's a it's a phenomena, part of the UFO phenomena, is part of 956 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.639 all different paranormal phenomena, and we want to turn it into the evil thing, 957 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.920 the evil thing, and you do influence. So I'll say that if 958 01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:19.159 you go into Skinwalker Ranch, because Bob Bigelow talked about Skinwrocker Ranch and he 959 01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.679 said there really was no injuries, there was really nothing, but we respected 960 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.599 the phenomena. But when you had the special Forces guys who are armed, 961 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.159 who are going to try to capture the thing. They go in there. 962 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:34.480 Those are the guys that went back and had that real brutal stuff with the 963 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.559 with the hitchhiker stuff where the kid has the orbs bombarding him in the room 964 01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:43.360 and stuff like that. And you you manifest what happens around you. And 965 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.760 uh so the the the even the guy who owned Skinwalker Ranch now says he 966 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.480 calls it a reflective phenomena. And George Knapp said those that were the most 967 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.119 aggressive to the phenomena had the worst experiences, and and and and and and 968 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.960 the guy who owned Skinwalker Ranch now says there's a reflective phenomena. So when 969 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.559 he goes on the ranch, when they're coming in with the helicopter, he 970 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.239 says, they pray. They know there's a reflective aspect that you go in 971 01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.039 there with a bad attitude, get ready. And so that's this whole thing 972 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.559 we're forgetting about, is that we are part of the phenomena that we're manifesting. 973 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.880 We want to always separate it. We say, there's evil aliens out 974 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.760 there and they're they're picking on us, and you know, it's the idea 975 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.760 is it all goes to higher self. There's all ourselves in this whole thing, 976 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:30.639 and we keep wanting to separate ourselves, put ourselves as left brain victims, 977 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.880 and there's this thing that's influencing us, and and and and Anybody that 978 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.000 I think knows the phenomena knows that if you protect yourself, if you go 979 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:40.760 in with the right attitude, you don't have any problems with hitchhikers, you 980 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:44.840 don't have any of this kind of stuff. The whole phenomena changes. You 981 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:51.079 are part of the phenomena. Yeah. Angeli says that in her experience that 982 01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.400 there, they told her there was a council. There were some that were 983 01:01:53.760 --> 01:02:00.559 very friendly toward us and paternal in some way, some were indifferent to us, 984 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:04.320 and some were negative toward us. And so I don't know, I 985 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:07.960 mean, I haven't had any of these encounters, but yeah, I can 986 01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.840 comment that that is one of the things a game that comes down to is 987 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:15.639 that is that an influence of ego going in there. Because the one thing, 988 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:17.840 the one channeler i'd say is one of the best channelers I've seen is 989 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.960 Paul Selik, who's channeled ten books, and there are no changes in the 990 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.599 books, They don't change any the words is exactly, and you know, 991 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.119 channeling from and I would say everybody's channeling like you and I I always say 992 01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:31.800 to people like, where do you think the words are coming from? They're 993 01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:36.559 coming out of your mouth. Do you think you actually think there's neurons running 994 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:38.400 around? And I could talk very very fast. Do you think there's neurons 995 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.400 that are runing around and saying, Okay, what word they're gonna put that 996 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.840 sence next? Okay, let's put this word in. And then somebody's doing 997 01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:45.039 the grammar, and somebody's moving the hands, and it's like, come on, 998 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.440 give your head a shake. This is channeling. So Paul Selick channels 999 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.719 and the way he describes that, I think is this whole oneness thing? 1000 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:58.320 Is it separation? Is there separation? Is there good and bad and stuff 1001 01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.920 like that? In a reincarnation world, it's all experience, the things that 1002 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.119 happen to you. You plan if you have a near death experience, or 1003 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.960 if you have if you have psychic says to you going be an accident tomorrow 1004 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.400 and you have an accident tomorrow, is that actually random? Or was that 1005 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.440 plan? And we and the whole idea with near death experiences with the abduction 1006 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:20.400 experience. What's the chance is the thirty seven percent of all abductees have near 1007 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.039 dealth experiences. Do you think that's by chance or do you think that's they 1008 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:28.159 actually plan to have a near youth experience to learn something or the the the 1009 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.719 UH decided to be abducted to learn something, and that it's experienced. It's 1010 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.519 all experience, and you learn mostly from the from the bad stuff. You 1011 01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.599 don't learn from the good stuff. So Paul Selik, the way Paul Selik 1012 01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:43.199 describes this is oneness principle, which I adhere to, and that he says, 1013 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.880 it's all divine, it all comes from source. And when you decide 1014 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:52.000 that I am divine and this is not divine. When you take something and 1015 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.639 put it into darkness, that's something that you take will take you into the 1016 01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.440 darkness with it. If you claim that you are divine and this or that 1017 01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.679 is not divine, that is the shadow pretending to be the light. It's 1018 01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:10.199 all divine. What you damn damns you back, what you blessed blesses you 1019 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.440 in return. And that's this whole idea. How can you separate something from 1020 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.559 the divine? It's all divine, it's all there for a reason, it's 1021 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.760 all there for for a learning purpose, and whatever the bad thing that happens, 1022 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:25.239 we realize that we learned from this. It's all experience that if you've 1023 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:28.639 died a thousand times, I reincarnation is fact, and you've died a thousand 1024 01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:30.239 times, You've planned to die a thousand times, and it ain't going to 1025 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.880 be pretty. Usually it's not pretty when you die. So you plan to 1026 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.679 do this and you plan to go in earlier or come out later, whatever 1027 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.880 it is. And we we always want to do this separation thing that we 1028 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.960 are sort of a victim to outside forces, that God's picking on us and 1029 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.639 we're unfortunate, you know. And the referee is almost like a game. 1030 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:54.199 We've turned it into like a football game. The ends justifies the means. 1031 01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:58.840 It's all about winning and the refs against us and all this kind of stuff, 1032 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.440 and we are ego feels good when we can overcome and stuff like that. 1033 01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.119 But I I would say the reincarnation world, which is what they told 1034 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:08.239 me, if it's one world, that's one that's one world and it has 1035 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:12.000 certain rules. But if it's reincarnation and it's true, if it's reincarnation. 1036 01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.039 Then it's all learning. It's all we're gonna plan to have failures and we're 1037 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:20.360 gonna plan to have accidents to learn things, and and and a lot of 1038 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.159 the people, even in the abduction experience, people will say, all the 1039 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.280 abduction experience is terrible. I mean, I'm a victim. That's what Jim 1040 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:30.480 Semivan said. I was really angry. I didn't ask to have this happen. 1041 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.639 Well, you don't think you asked to have it happen. But if 1042 01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:38.719 if you do, you remember what had you on your third third birthday party, 1043 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.559 what you had for dinner? I mean, you don't remember any of 1044 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:42.599 that? You I'm not, actually I don't. I don't know. I'm 1045 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:45.599 sorry I thought I did. No. So, so you have this this 1046 01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:50.760 idea that that that we we we turned it into sort of a victim thing. 1047 01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.800 And you have two people at the same experiences. So Jim semi Van 1048 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.280 has an experience with the beings, are in the room with his wife and 1049 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.079 he's angry about it. He feels that he didn't agree to this. And 1050 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:01.760 I said, well, do you think Chris bletso consciously agreed to what he 1051 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:05.440 went through? Chris butsoe sat there for nine months and basically prayed to God 1052 01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.559 to take him out of the world. He couldn't believe his whole world had 1053 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.599 come apart. He was not allowed to talk to his kids. On the 1054 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.199 verge of divorce, he got locked up in a crazy house to see if 1055 01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:19.800 he was insane. And now suddenly he has the regression where suddenly they He 1056 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:24.119 gets asked in the regression, when did you first meet them? And he 1057 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:29.719 says, they were with me before I was born. And O'Connell O'Connor, 1058 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.079 the guy who was John Max associated at Harvard, who was doing the regression, 1059 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:36.039 said what do you mean where you what do you mean before you were 1060 01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:41.199 born? Were you with them in your last lifetime? And he said yes. 1061 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.559 And that's the whole thing if that's true, if that regression is true, 1062 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.239 and a lot of experiences will say this, they'll say I agreed to 1063 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:50.719 this, or I asked Mary Rodwell, I said, Mary, this whole 1064 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.079 soul contract thing. What do you think about the soul contract thing? That 1065 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:59.719 the experiences agree to play this role they're coming in to raise consciousness or dolors 1066 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.039 can't. And the three waves we've all volunteered to come in. The atomic 1067 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.320 bomb goes off, and we all volunteer tier to come in to raise consciousness 1068 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.880 to save the earth, and we're all volunteers on this whole thing. What 1069 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.639 do you think about that? And Mary Rodwalls says, like one hundred percent 1070 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.920 will agree. And I asked Kathy Martin. I said, Kathy, what 1071 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.760 do you think about the soul contract thing? And Kathy said, I always 1072 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.960 wondered about it too, just he said, you know what I did. 1073 01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:23.559 I actually had myself regressed and I heard the words count of on my mouth. 1074 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.519 I agreed to this. That is the whole thing about taking personal responsibility, 1075 01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:30.519 whether it's right or wrong that you agreed to all these things in life. 1076 01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.239 You take personal responsibility because as long as you see yourself as a victim, 1077 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:35.639 you are not going to grow. You're just going to feel sorry for 1078 01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:40.360 yourself and you're just going to recycle and recycle and take it out on other 1079 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:44.320 people and blame other people. And this is this whole idea if and you 1080 01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.960 get I think twenty five percent of all experiences say they remember being in their 1081 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.760 past lifetime. John Mack has one when did you first meet the guy? 1082 01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:53.679 Oh? He was with me, My last lifetime. If the being was 1083 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.519 with him in his last lifetime, that is a different world. Or when 1084 01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:00.159 you have the people on board the craft. And I'm not one hundred sent 1085 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.840 sure on this, yet, everybody that goes on the craft will tell the 1086 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:06.239 story. Like, for example, the seven four seven Airline pilot the Air 1087 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.000 Force guy. They both say the same thing. They're on the craft and 1088 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:15.079 there's somebody behind them. They don't know if it's human beings or or aliens. 1089 01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.880 They don't know what it is. And the voice like the seven four 1090 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.680 seven or I'll give you the the air Force guy. So the Air Force 1091 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:24.239 guy, he says, they say to him, Okay, go ahead and 1092 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.199 do it. He just hears his voice behind him. Now, if you 1093 01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.960 go to Michael Newton and you look at the life review, the sole guide 1094 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:35.520 is always behind the person on the left side, always, and that's the 1095 01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:38.760 thing. So when he says that I'm going, I wonder if that's his 1096 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.359 sole guide. He doesn't know what it is. And he said, and 1097 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.840 he says, go ahead and do it. And this David guy says, 1098 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.920 I don't know what to do, and he says, you know what to 1099 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.479 do, just do it. So he goes there's this panel on the wall, 1100 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:55.920 and this Air Force colonel puts his hand on the panel and he said, 1101 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.399 suddenly, he says, boom, it's not gonna flying the craft. 1102 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:00.840 And he said, I couldn't believe it. He said, I'm flying the 1103 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:02.439 craft and he's doing whatever I wanted to do. And so he said, 1104 01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:05.319 take one hand off the panel, and he's waiting for it to stall, 1105 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:10.119 and it doesn't stall, and then then he takes the other hand off the 1106 01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.239 panel, but at six inches above because he wants to slim his handbag down 1107 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.720 if the craft stalls. And then he's got both hands off the panel and 1108 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.359 he's flying the craft and he's going, this is the most the most bizarre 1109 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:20.680 thing I've ever seen in my life. And he's flying this thing. But 1110 01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:25.840 that's the whole thing. Is this whole idea that it may be soul contract. 1111 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:29.479 You start seeing these things and you wonder, is the person interpreting he's 1112 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:31.119 making a vision of what it is. But it may be sole guy because 1113 01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:35.119 one of the I had a guy who submarine guy. I haven't talked to 1114 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:41.000 him yet, but a guy US Navy submarine guy said I had this that 1115 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.680 went through this whole thing and I was told to see my spirit guy, 1116 01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.399 and I saw a gray alien and I go, wow, that's that's pretty 1117 01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:51.520 cool. It's this whole idea is what's actually going on? Is it actually 1118 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:56.720 are we building this world to learn a lesson that they're taking us on this 1119 01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:00.239 this craft thing, and the craft really may not exist except in our mind. 1120 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.000 Because the one guy actually told me, he said, he said, 1121 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:04.880 I actually they said get your own craft, so he said, in my 1122 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.479 mind, I built the craft, a conscious craft, and I made a 1123 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.359 certain size, and I was traveling to different galaxies. And you got to 1124 01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:15.840 remember, these are stories that Jacques Beallet will call absurd. These are not 1125 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.680 stories. If you want to make up a story and and try to fool 1126 01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:20.960 me with it, you're not going to bring up I flew the craft from 1127 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.239 my mind. I mean that people are gonna buy that or I knew everything 1128 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.880 in the universe, because I would ask people, I'd say, you knew 1129 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:30.520 everything in the universe? Are you sure? Yeah? And I said, 1130 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:31.720 well, how do you know there wasn't something number six seven eight on the 1131 01:10:31.720 --> 01:10:34.399 far side of the universe they forgot to tell you about. And the people 1132 01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:39.359 will say exactly what I said in my flow state. I'm not sure. 1133 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.600 I just know. It's like if flow state comes with absolute uncertainty, you 1134 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:45.359 know, nobody has to tell you. Nobody's gonna You're not gonna argue with 1135 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:48.920 anybody. I know this is this is accurate information. And so that's the 1136 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:54.479 the whole idea, is this our interaction with the thing and the fact that 1137 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:59.039 it all is is one quantum physicist. It's all Uhli stuff. It's all 1138 01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.119 consciousness. The the basic bottom line that we're creating this stuff out of consciousness. 1139 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:06.560 It's all dream skate or even the people say, but it's just physical. 1140 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.119 I think I was abducted. They say, I don't think it was 1141 01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.600 abducted. I think I think it was. They just the aliens come to 1142 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:15.399 me in my dreams. Bashar. If you look at the chandler Bashar, 1143 01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.479 Bashar says, we come to you in your dreams because now you're in our 1144 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:23.960 world. It is physical though. I mean, if you can paint some 1145 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.000 of these things on radar, it's physical. It it comes into the physical 1146 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.680 world. That's what they said to Yo Si Ronan. When we come into 1147 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.600 your physical world, we take on so they lower their vibration. That's like 1148 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:36.399 I did the whole book on on the portals, the the zendras, if 1149 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:40.920 you follow the Mission Rama stuff at Mount Shasta. So I go there and 1150 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.760 I interviewed the people that are in these uh these uh, these these xedra 1151 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.520 things, and the way they describe it is that the beings come in, 1152 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.319 they lower their vibration and what the Mission Rama people and Mission Rama, so 1153 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:56.399 you're into thing about, oh, there's these these aliens that are not good 1154 01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:00.199 guys. There's these good guys and bad guys. No, no, the 1155 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.479 possibility of no, I'm saying this is this is an idea that I'm just 1156 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.319 saying you. This is an idea out there that's very common that there's these 1157 01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:11.199 good and so what you get with Mission Rama is I say, I defy 1158 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.720 anybody. Mission Rama. There's twenty five thousand these people around the world started 1159 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.359 in nineteen seventy four. A lot of them are you know, Latino people, 1160 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.560 and they are able to open these xendras, these portal things, and 1161 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.680 these beings appear in the portal or you walk into the portal and you walk 1162 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.000 in into this xendra. And the seven four seven Airline guy was actually in 1163 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.720 one of these portals. He describes that whole story being in this in his 1164 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:33.720 Xendra, you walk through and as soon as you walk into the into the 1165 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:38.079 Xendra, you're on another planet, just like walking through a doorway. Wow. 1166 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:42.279 And and what they say is they lower their vibration. So everything is 1167 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.960 vibration. There's all consciousness and everybody' said vibration. So the beings are here, 1168 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.479 everything's are here around us. If there is no time and space, 1169 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:51.560 it's all here. So their vibration what we do in psychedelics. Anybody knows 1170 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.800 there's a psychedelics. You know when it's going to start. The vibration starts. 1171 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:59.199 Your vibration is changing, You feel your body vibrating, and boom, 1172 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:01.880 you're suddenly in it in a different environment. Kev's like, I've been sound 1173 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.159 some psychedelics, Baby, I know what he's talking about. Yeah, so 1174 01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:09.680 all right, Grant, we have about fifteen minutes left. Well, keV, 1175 01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.960 we have some experiences we want to share with you and get your take 1176 01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.800 on. Kevin has one. I have one that I don't even think Nathan's 1177 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.239 heard this one yet, but I did pose it to deb yesterday. She 1178 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:24.079 forewarned me. So I'll see what you guys think. But go ahead, 1179 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:27.199 Kevin. All right. So, as I said earlier, you know, 1180 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.079 I teach kids on the spectrum. So I've got fourteen years experience teaching kids 1181 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:34.279 with autism. Yeah, So what I've done I started, I've started documenting 1182 01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:38.319 some of the strange phenomenon that I've seen over the years, some of the 1183 01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:41.800 stuff that cannot be explained. And I wanted to read one of those to 1184 01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.760 you. So one of the things we teach is attacking lesson. It's commenting 1185 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:46.880 on the environment. You know, we teach them to respond to what do 1186 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:50.239 you see? What is it? So the particular student, he liked to 1187 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:55.680 smile and hum well, looking up, So U one lesson wants to lesson 1188 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.920 progressed to a natural setting is during lunch. I asked him, you know, 1189 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.640 he's looking. I asked him what you see up there? And he 1190 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:04.760 points to something I can't see, you know, he just points up and 1191 01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:10.680 he says white balls, right, which I found very interesting. So and 1192 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.720 he said it while giggling. So over the years, you know, he 1193 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.039 had a few other responses. It was like he'd say madness or eventually it 1194 01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:20.039 was friends and we just start saying, hey, during lunchtime, are your 1195 01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:24.520 friends back and be like, yeah, yeah, my friends white balls. 1196 01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:29.640 So that's just one of the phenomenons that I'm I'm recording, I'm documenting. 1197 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.960 What do you think about that? Well, I in my contact modality is 1198 01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:40.119 I do a whole chapter on that very phenomena, especially when you talk as 1199 01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:44.560 salants. So basically what you see is a lot of left brain damage. 1200 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.000 For example, the one I always shows. I say, if you don't 1201 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.720 think there's material out there that people are seeing that they're able to tap into, 1202 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.239 watch this. And the guy's name is and I'm gonna forget his name, 1203 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:59.159 he's out in New York City. He's now in close to eighty George 1204 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:00.159 Finn is the guy. His name. He's on sixty minutes. If you 1205 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.680 look it up on sixty minutes, you'll see this thing. So they say 1206 01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:08.399 to him, okay, George, what's two plus three? And he goes, 1207 01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:14.039 would that be uh six? And the guy goes, what's five times 1208 01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.960 seven? Would that be uh fifty? And then he goes, okay, 1209 01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:23.199 so what day is July the eleventh, twenty forty seven? And he goes, 1210 01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:26.840 oh, that'd be a Tuesday. And he's right one hundred percent of 1211 01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.760 the time, And the thing is so left brain is simple math. He 1212 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.760 cannot do simple mauth. So he's not calculating this calendar calculating thing. And 1213 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:40.079 you see this with savants and with autistic kids. Is they're in this different 1214 01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:42.920 world. The brain has shipped. Part of the brain is shut down, 1215 01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:45.520 left brain is shut down, it's cut off the noise, they're able to 1216 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.880 pick it up. It's all being picked up. And they're just in this 1217 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:53.840 different frequency, especially the left brain damage. A lot of autistic is this 1218 01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:58.359 left brain damage thing, or even with head injuries. You see these kind 1219 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:00.720 of things. So I say, that's one of the most important things you're 1220 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.399 you're studying. Is I tried to get Guya actually to do a show on 1221 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:08.159 savants, on guys who you know, played the piano, who have never 1222 01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:12.479 played piano before, have seven thousand songs, and and can do mathematics or 1223 01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:15.680 you know, all this bizarre things they can do, and they want to 1224 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.199 have a budget to travel. They wanted someone to stand in the studio and 1225 01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.760 just talk about it. And I said, that is the most bizarre show 1226 01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:27.920 you could ever run. Is these people autistic and and and savant people, 1227 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.239 the stuff that they exhibit, there's no way you can explain it with the 1228 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:34.680 present idea we have of the universe. Extremely important stuff you're doing there. 1229 01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:40.119 Thank you, thank you very much for answering that, Nathan, You're not 1230 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:43.800 something. Yeah, so grant if I can get your thoughts on this. 1231 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:47.119 So, yeah, you're obviously familiar with the subject, you know very intimately, 1232 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.560 But the way in which it's talked about in kind of mainstream stream circles 1233 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:58.199 right now is very much still from the nuts and bolts component everything that you've 1234 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:00.960 articulated on the show. I think everyone on our show is in pretty much 1235 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.439 agreement with this is the direction that it needs to go. But how do 1236 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:10.960 you see this really playing out from a kind of a more public perspective. 1237 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:15.600 How do you see the world being able to transition to this kind of understanding, 1238 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:20.279 Because I'm a conclusion that if the disclosure were so simple that it was 1239 01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:25.000 just ets from some other star system, we would have already had that story 1240 01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:28.600 by now. But I'm more in agreement with what you are describing that the 1241 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:30.880 world that we know and the way in which we know it is different than 1242 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:34.399 what we all assume. That's a much harder thing, I think to get 1243 01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:38.800 the public on board with, So what what does that process look like? 1244 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:42.520 How do you think it really will unfold to where we can get to this 1245 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:46.319 place and have this kind of conversation in a broader sense. I think that's 1246 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:50.000 where the idea of trying to convert people. I don't think it's going to 1247 01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:56.039 work, is that we want to try to convince everybody and forgetting that it's 1248 01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.479 it's unlimited universe, it's and less. We can take forever tofre this thing 1249 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.279 out, and that things will flip very very quickly. When I had my 1250 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:06.760 consciousness experience in twenty twelve, I always make the joke I could not have 1251 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:11.680 spelled consciousness and I couldn't have cared less. And a lot of people are 1252 01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.399 still on that thing. There are people in the UFO community who use the 1253 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.000 word consciousness don't even know what they're talking about. They know it's a buzzword. 1254 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.720 Now. You could not talk about consciousness in twenty twelve, and you 1255 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:23.760 could not in academia twenty years ago. You could not. You would be 1256 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:27.560 thrown out if you talked about consciousness. So it will eventually change, and 1257 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.119 I think it's changing very fast. In terms of the Matrix movie, it's 1258 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:33.800 all happening indirectly. It's happening through the especially the idea of the simulated the 1259 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.880 universe. If you talk to young kids today and you say to them, 1260 01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:40.800 do you believe there's a video game, it's just like, well, of 1261 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.880 course it is. I mean it's a completely different world. It's almost like 1262 01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:48.640 Max Plank said, a new idea does not come in by convincing the opponent 1263 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:54.239 he's wrong. It comes in by those people dying, and the new generation 1264 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.720 is not offended with the idea. So and it will shift very fast. 1265 01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:01.000 I remember you talk about disclosure. I remember I was doing the ex conferences 1266 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:04.239 with Steve basst is a good friend of mine. So Steve Basset he brought 1267 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.560 me in and he had to panel at the end. He said, so 1268 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.279 when do you thinks disclosure is gonna come? And you know he's always on 1269 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:12.640 there. We we need this right now. We need the government president to 1270 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.960 say there's ets and stuff and these people are going six months, twelve months. 1271 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.239 That comes to me and it's a whole crowd there and I said twenty 1272 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:21.119 forty two. And he looked at me like I did, You'd never do 1273 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:25.039 this to me in front of all these people, and I never because I 1274 01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:28.800 had done it so many years. I said, there's no way there's ever 1275 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.640 going to be disclosure, not a chance. But what happens is Jim Semivan. 1276 01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.520 If you know the story, it's in my last podcast. Jim Semivan 1277 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.359 tells the story that he has this thing and he's all upset about this abduction 1278 01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:41.600 experience or whatever. And I say, get this straight. If he had 1279 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.600 not been abducted, there would be no disclosure today because it was Jim semi 1280 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.119 Van. I was told in twenty sixteen. Jim Semivan from the CIA was 1281 01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:50.680 the guy that was behind it, behind the New York Times article. He 1282 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:55.119 was the mover and shaker, and he would not have done it if he 1283 01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:57.560 had had the UFO experience. He would be like the ninety nine percent of 1284 01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:00.000 people in the public who would say, who cares about you? I'm trying 1285 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.680 to feed my family. I don't care. Nobody cares. There's very few 1286 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:08.720 of us who care. And so what happens is Jim Semivan says he said 1287 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:12.600 on an interview, he said, I went to high level officials in the 1288 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.640 government and he said, we're going to force this thing out. You guys 1289 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:19.239 can't get it out, and I'm going to I'm going to get it out. 1290 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:23.520 And that's what he did. And it was because he was abducted with 1291 01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:26.880 this very bad experience that he's still upset about. That he went out and 1292 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.279 he did this. And what happened in twenty seventeen The New York Times article 1293 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:33.720 came out, and that was Jim semi Van. That was hell put off 1294 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.800 and all these guys that pushed all this sort of Tom DeLong, they pushed 1295 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:41.479 all this. New York Times did the article and in one day it was 1296 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:45.159 boom. It's like you ask everybody because Stephen Greer and I I did an 1297 01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.319 article called sixty four Reasons they decided not to tell you the truth. One 1298 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:50.800 of the reasons I gave was Stephen Greer's reason that the stock market will completely 1299 01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.560 melt down if they actually said, oh, yeah there's UFOs, everybody would 1300 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.000 say, oh, oil's worth nothing, and everything would just melt down. 1301 01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:00.760 And what happened in twenty seventeen when they released the article, absolutely nothing. 1302 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.279 Nobody jumped off a building. Everybody went, yeah, I knew that already. 1303 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.960 That tell me what's in the craft. And that's what happens. It's 1304 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:12.079 like gay marriage it's like it's like, you know, all that kind of 1305 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.079 stuff. When did gay marriage come come into effect? Everyone? Why? 1306 01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:17.960 I don't know, twenty years ago. Nobody knows. It just happens. 1307 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:21.920 It will flip overnight, and that's what's gonna happen here. It's a gradual 1308 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.880 thing. And it's the simulated universe that's the big thing. It's not so 1309 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:30.520 much the beings, but because they forced this thing out into the public, 1310 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:33.079 out of the black world. Now you can talk about it in academia, 1311 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:35.840 you can talk about it in the Pentagon, and you're gonna get it's gonna 1312 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:40.960 it's moving very very fast because you have academia talking about this and they're talking 1313 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.880 about simulated universe and what's really good going on? And I can say the 1314 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:47.760 stupid things I'm saying and it's not off the charge anymore because there's other people 1315 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.680 talking about the same thing. So I think this is moving pretty fast. 1316 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:55.720 Since twenty seventeen, I never would have believed that I saw this. Absolutely 1317 01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:00.319 not a chance that I believe this would ever happen. Thank you, thank 1318 01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:01.880 you very much. I mean, yeah, you should read more books. 1319 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:06.720 It doesn't seem like you have a lot of information think about you know reading, 1320 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:11.119 I'm just kidding. Your recall is incredible. It really is, dude. 1321 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.880 So it is like, but where that's the question is where is it 1322 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:23.680 coming from? Consciousness when you're there, A and E is consciousness when I 1323 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.479 when I talk, I don't know what I'm going to say fifteen seconds from 1324 01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:29.399 now, but I know in fifteen seconds somebody's going to put something in my 1325 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.199 head to talk about. It just comes in. Nobody's planning it. It's 1326 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:35.720 channeling. It's all channeling. It is. Well, you know, my 1327 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:41.000 safety rests in your hands with this next question, Grant, So I want 1328 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:45.520 you to take this with a degree of seriousness. Okay, okay, So 1329 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:47.560 I spoke with Deb the other night. You know, Nathan hasn't heard this 1330 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:51.640 yet. I don't think Flair has heard this one. But I have a 1331 01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:56.319 tendency to spend a lot of time going out in the woods with my dogs, 1332 01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.199 Athena and Julia. Athena is about fifty pounds, Julia is about ten 1333 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:05.720 pounds. And I told Deb that I was going to try to manifest Bigfoot 1334 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:10.880 to come up to me because I think it would be so cool. And 1335 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:15.039 all this time there's nobody around. What if he came out and deb feels 1336 01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:19.279 that I could be in grave danger where I to manifest Bigfoot. So Grant, 1337 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.560 I'll start with you and then we'll go around. What's what's your thoughts 1338 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:27.199 on that? Well, again it comes to this good evil thing. I 1339 01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:30.880 mean, are there evil sasquatches that are running around eating people or whatever? 1340 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:33.800 I mean, we we sort of build this in because it's unknown, we 1341 01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:38.920 build it in. I believe there's a connection. So once you get into 1342 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:42.720 the phenomena, it's like the ychecker thing. Suddenly the phenomena starts coming to 1343 01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:45.520 you if you start reading about it and getting at your state and you start 1344 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:47.680 to manifest the stuff. And I had the one I'll tell you the one 1345 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:53.359 interesting sasquatch I had seventy six. There was an air base. It's no 1346 01:23:53.399 --> 01:23:56.239 longer an air base, but on the south fence. There was a woman 1347 01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:59.600 who saw a being looking in a nine foot window or kid had colic in 1348 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:03.239 the middle of night, and the dogs were going crazy down the street trying 1349 01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:06.920 to get off their their leashes and stuff like that. And the one Aboriginal 1350 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:11.079 tracker took me and showed me where this thing had gone. And and I 1351 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.880 say, if you think that there're Sasquatches that are living in forests and hiding, 1352 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:16.720 give your head a shake, because I live in a place where where 1353 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.479 that is there's like one tree per mile and it's the flattest part on Earth. 1354 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:24.159 If you're a nine foot sasquatch, they're a very hard time hiding. 1355 01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.560 Doang one creek, right, And so the thing was, he showed me 1356 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.760 there was a there was a creek, and there was a couple of bushes 1357 01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:31.600 there, and this thing went up the creek and he said it was and 1358 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:34.319 fifty pounds he broke through the snow. This thing did not break through the 1359 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.279 snow, and it went in You could see the broken branches and went into 1360 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.960 the middle of this clearing and that's where the footprints ended, which indicated something 1361 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:44.840 picked it up. So there is this connection, whether they're dropping them off 1362 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.479 or to go to the bathroom or whatever. But we talk talk to Sasquatch 1363 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:51.359 people, You'll see a lot of Sasquatch people believe it's it's etheric beings as 1364 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:57.119 well that they're they're manifesting. It's all part of the same sort of thing. 1365 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:00.399 It's almost like the universe has so many different levels so many different dimensions, 1366 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:04.359 realities and you know, vibrations and stuff that everybody's playing a game. 1367 01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:08.319 So I want a world with sasquatches, So I can create this world to 1368 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:12.119 have sasquatches running around. And it's just making it more complex that it's all 1369 01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:18.039 being created by consciousness. And there's like probably three million different levels and types 1370 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:21.840 of environments we haven't even seen before, and it's all but it's all gonna 1371 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:26.840 be created just by making the world more complex because the person that's watching it, 1372 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.039 the source, wants entertainment. It's like if you go to a movie. 1373 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:33.359 If you're in a movie and you everybody wants everything good. We want. 1374 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:36.239 We don't want any bad stuff. We want God to sit and watch 1375 01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.840 us drink coffee around a coffee table for seventy five years. You go to 1376 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:45.039 the movie because everything's gone bad and the characters under attack and you know, 1377 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.159 and and he overcomes and that's what life is about. So that's what we're 1378 01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:53.079 doing, is this idea that we're creating these these ups and downs and it's 1379 01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.279 almost like a movie, and we overcome this thing and we put another challenge 1380 01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:59.800 in front of us, and so the sasquatch I think is is part of 1381 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.199 this, but I definitely think it's connected to UFOs because that was the thing. 1382 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.880 The UFOs were in that area. There were thirty two horses disappeared. 1383 01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:10.039 There was all these bizarre things happening around this area, and there's no way 1384 01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:14.439 a sasquatch was hiding. Well, maybe maybe I shouldn't try to connect with 1385 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:16.079 one of a Nathan. Nathan, what do you think should I not be 1386 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:20.399 trying to manifest? Well, I mean, I think if anybody could and 1387 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:25.640 should be okay with you doing it, I think it would be a pleasant 1388 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:28.880 experience. You know, You've got such a warm spirit that I think it 1389 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.359 would be okay, But you never know. I want to come back to 1390 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:36.520 something you said Grant about the ocean and analogy of consciousness, And you know, 1391 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:43.199 one analogy that I've heard to help describe what's happening here is that just 1392 01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.079 as a wave is an appearance on the ocean, you can't take that wave 1393 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:50.560 out of the ocean. It doesn't exist independent of the ocean. And so 1394 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:56.800 what we are is sort of these we are all just manifestations. There are 1395 01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.119 different manifestations of the water. You know, we haven't a adherence of separateness, 1396 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:03.279 an appearance of being distinct, but we really are the same thing, 1397 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.479 and that's really kind of what's happening here. I think of it in this 1398 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:12.319 way too, just as an analogy with modern psychology. You know, you 1399 01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:17.439 can be a person who can have disassociated uh alters, you know, they 1400 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:21.439 use that that that's the word that is used altered personalities, and that's essentially 1401 01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:26.079 consciousness as well. That it's when it's when it's non altered, when it's 1402 01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:30.960 at its base state. As you mentioned earlier, it's essentially kind of alone 1403 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:34.319 or you know, solitude. It's it's very boring, and so it disassociates 1404 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:38.920 into all of these different you know, entities, which is us and the 1405 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:43.199 others, and we are all playing in mind space essentially, and as we 1406 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:46.039 kind of intersect with each other, the way in which we see them, 1407 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.159 the way in which they see us, it is all interpreted through the lens 1408 01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:56.279 of that of that conscious experience, and so it does vary based on what 1409 01:27:56.359 --> 01:28:00.000 their conscious experience of the universe is, what our conscious experience of the univer 1410 01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:02.600 versus Sometimes we never intersect, but we're all part of the same thing. 1411 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:06.880 You mentioned why I would like to get this in before we close. But 1412 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:12.199 you talked about this altars, which is another big thing I did in contact 1413 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:14.800 modalities, which I think is a very important thing to study. When you 1414 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.079 look at altars, you hear these stories that when the altar comes in it 1415 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:21.720 changes eye color. It doesn't have a disease, it has this or whatever. 1416 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:26.239 That's all DNA. And so if you take a look at jay Z 1417 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:30.960 Knight, who was the chandler for for U, she did the experiment where 1418 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:34.680 she's she's Ramptha. They do the DNA test and they and then she has 1419 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:39.760 three different tests done. Then when she's normal and in the normal one she's 1420 01:28:39.800 --> 01:28:45.880 a female from French access ancestry, and when she's Rampta she's male, and 1421 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:49.079 this sort of stuff, and that seems to indicate DNA maybe consciousness. And 1422 01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.960 I actually had Bashar. I had a bunch of people. I still wanted 1423 01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:55.079 to do this test. I want to get ions to do it because if 1424 01:28:55.119 --> 01:29:00.600 you take a look at the even remote viewing when Lynn Buchanan my melded with 1425 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.960 Saddam Hussein, they said, is eye color changed to brown? And that's 1426 01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:10.119 this whole thing is even consciousness may be DNA. That if your consciousness changes. 1427 01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.399 If an alter comes in and takes over your body, your consciousness may 1428 01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.359 change. And I'm determined to get that studied because I've got all sorts of 1429 01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.760 examples of this happening. All you need is one more white crow and it's 1430 01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:25.439 game over. What are you going to say if the person's consciousness changes when 1431 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.960 they're channeling, and it's got to be a direct it's got to be a 1432 01:29:27.960 --> 01:29:30.920 trans channel where they're completely cut off. That's these things of levels, so 1433 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.279 you have different levels of channeling. When you get a trans channel, the 1434 01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:36.439 person is completely gone, they're not even there, they don't know what's going 1435 01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:40.720 on. Their left brain is completely gone, and the thing comes in. 1436 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.680 And I have so many I'm trying to get Eyns to do it because they're 1437 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:49.359 doing this stuff with trans channelers and there's so many examples of this happening where 1438 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:54.800 the person can speak different languages and this sort of thing. I think it's 1439 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:58.199 very important, and again it shows us that we haven't got a clue what's 1440 01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:00.880 going on. The The whole phenomena is going to be a lot less physical, 1441 01:30:00.920 --> 01:30:03.359 and people think it is. It's gonna be a lot more spiritual, 1442 01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:05.840 and people think it is, which is really gonna, you know, pee 1443 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:09.640 off a bunch of people. The scientists are going to be reaching for the 1444 01:30:09.640 --> 01:30:12.840 cyanide pills when they realize, oh my goodness, this is all wrong. 1445 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:15.319 It's going to be at least a thousand times more complex, and I maintain 1446 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:21.239 it will not have a single hint of capitalism in it. This beehive thing. 1447 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:26.079 It's the idea is that they're all working together as one, like cells 1448 01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.000 in a body. And when you get the one cell decides it's going to 1449 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:30.800 go its own way, that's called the cancer cell. And that's what we 1450 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:34.760 got in the situation in the world today. It's it's the the me over 1451 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:40.960 we. It's you know, the separation and the separation. The more we 1452 01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:45.439 break down the separation, the more we have individualism, the worse it gets. 1453 01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:48.840 We have to realize we're all one thing. Or even I put on 1454 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:54.680 Facebook the other day where edgar Mitchell had the experience where and it was on 1455 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:57.039 the moon, and he said, you know you he suddenly got the one 1456 01:30:57.079 --> 01:30:59.720 this thing about how it was all one thing, and he'd like to grab 1457 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:02.359 a politician by the neck and grab them out and take them out. Two 1458 01:31:02.439 --> 01:31:05.279 hundred and fifty thousand miles and say look at that, yes, stupid, 1459 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:11.359 what absolutely, And that's the thing. It's oneness is the key message that 1460 01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:14.640 they're trying to get across, the oneness message. And unless we do, 1461 01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.640 we're gone. But again, even if we destroy the world, it's all 1462 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.960 experience. It's a multi life universe. We come back over and over again. 1463 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:26.239 You come back some other planet, whatever whatever is happening. You either 1464 01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.560 learn from it or you don't learn from it. You come back until you 1465 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:30.279 learn the lessons. You just keep playing, running the play until you get 1466 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:32.760 it right. That's what it's all about. It's about experience, and it's 1467 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.600 about trying to make the world a better place. When you see the beings, 1468 01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:39.359 people say why would they come here? Because when you get out of 1469 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:43.000 this capitalist world of rape, pillage, kill and steel, whoever's got the 1470 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:45.399 most toys when to die wins, then you realize it's all about trying to 1471 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:48.720 be a better person and a better universe and make it a bigger and better 1472 01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:51.079 place. That's what it's all about. And that's what you see, whether 1473 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:56.039 it's spirits or beings, is that what they're doing. Why would they be 1474 01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:59.600 helping us? That's because they're trying to make the world a better place instead 1475 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:00.960 of you know, people want to escape the karmic wheel. We're going to 1476 01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:03.800 go sit on a beach in Hawaiian drink my Thyes, it's how many billion 1477 01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:06.479 years do you think you can sit on a beach and drink my thys in 1478 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:10.119 Hawaii. It's gonna be able to kid in the backseat a car. We 1479 01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:13.159 thereat kind of call. This is boring. Come on, and it's all 1480 01:32:13.199 --> 01:32:16.640 about experience and excitement and trying to do it. And I appreciate what you 1481 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.560 guys are doing. We're all doing our little job here, and the more 1482 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:24.439 we do, the more consciousness rises. It's like African American rights or anything 1483 01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.439 else. We're no different than any of their social and political movement. They 1484 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.199 make bad jokes about us, they can say whatever they want. The more 1485 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:32.479 we talk about it, the more the consciousness rises, and the more in 1486 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:36.119 the end everybody will know what to do. It's going to flip, but 1487 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:39.119 we have to talk about it. The more we talk about it, the 1488 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:43.720 better it is. That's very inspiring that you say that and make that analogy, 1489 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:48.600 because I agree and I think share those values with my co hosts here. 1490 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:55.399 Everybody's going to say goodbye. Debs. Thank you so much for coming 1491 01:32:55.439 --> 01:33:00.159 and sharing your vast amounts of knowledge with us. I appreciate it. Yeah, 1492 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:01.880 make sure you give me your story so I can put it in my 1493 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:06.600 book. Will Oh You're got You'll be seeing depths again are in a short 1494 01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:12.479 period of time. Kevin hey Man, thanks for thanks for your insights. 1495 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.199 I mean, yeah, dude, you're you're awesome. You're you're a fast 1496 01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:20.000 talker. You actually intimidated me into're talking slower. That was great meeting you, 1497 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:24.520 So thank you for being here. Obviously you're You're someone I really looked 1498 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:29.439 up to in this Yeah, in this field money when I go that as 1499 01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:31.920 well. Grant, I've been listening to you for quite some time and I've 1500 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:38.520 enjoyed watching your own journey through this topic. And you know, we are 1501 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:42.239 incredibly grateful to have you with us and to get this message out. I 1502 01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.119 can feel the passion that you have for it, and I think our audience 1503 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.279 can as well. And I want to thank everybody who was in the audience 1504 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:54.199 today participating in the chat. Just really happy to have everyone here. And 1505 01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:57.359 uh, and where where can folks find you? Grant? Where? Where's 1506 01:33:57.359 --> 01:34:01.960 the best place to find you now, it's all connected. Publishing is my 1507 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:06.399 website where I have put some articles on there, and I've got my books 1508 01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:13.479 and my president show UFO. Facebook is where I post new stuff that happens 1509 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.520 every day. I sort of poke the barrel once a while. They're on 1510 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:19.199 Facebook. Excellent. Yeah, well, then let me leave you with my 1511 01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:24.119 one last line, because we've got a musician here, the words of John 1512 01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:28.600 Lennon. It'll all be okay in the end. If it's not okay, 1513 01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:31.199 it's not the end. Oh, I love it. He put on his 1514 01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:36.159 glasses to it'll look like John. Yeah, man, that is fantastic. 1515 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:40.560 Like I said, very inspiring. We'll try to get if we can get 1516 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:44.840 all your details, then in our show notes we will put them so that 1517 01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:48.079 everybody can find you. Thank you for all the books that you've read and 1518 01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:53.319 written, and educating those of us like us that have been here in the 1519 01:34:53.359 --> 01:34:59.119 topic for about ten minutes, and educating us on what it's all about, 1520 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:02.800 and expanding our our minds so that we don't get trapped in our own biases 1521 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:08.079 and our own uh uh thoughts that we've we've already had. You know, 1522 01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:13.520 I'm trying to expand you know, my universe of thought about the phenomenon and 1523 01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.920 talking to people like my co host and you're and people like yourself that are 1524 01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:21.439 more vulnerable or what makes that happen. So thank you very much, Namas, 1525 01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:27.239 stay for Nathan, for Kevin, for Debs. This is DJ saying 1526 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:30.600 peace out, one love and we'll see you down the road. Thank you.