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In nature, predators cut off their
prey from the pack, leaving them vulnerable,

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easy to attack. Modern society values
independence, the strength to stand on

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our own, to make our own
way forfeiting not only the comfort of home,

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but the bonds of family and community. But in our isolation we become

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weak, perfect victims. That was
the voice of reporter Carl Colchak in the

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case that we call timeless. Can't
say it aired, but it was dropped

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on iTunes, dumped unceremoniously on February
seventh, two thousand and six. I'm

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your host, Mike White, joining
me as always as mister Chris Tashu.

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I would say, you copped my
phrase there. Dumped unceremoniously is what I

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have come to believe the Nightstock from
two thousand and five that should have been

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That should have been the subtitle of
the show night Stalker. In a world

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where your show never airs, This
is really I mean, this is the

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penultimate episode and it never aired.
So great, Hey, at least there's

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no tattoos on the wrist or anything
in this one. Oh dear god,

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I'm so happy about that. It's
definitely an episode that doesn't have any of

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the quote unquote mythology tied into it, which by this point I don't know

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why there's any mythology anymore, because
supposedly it was all tied up this episode.

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Let's just cut to the chase.
It felt really familiar to me.

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Oh, it almost felt like,
oh, what's that show. There's like

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a woman with red hair and then
there's a guy who's named after an animal.

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Oh yeah, the X Files.
It felt a lot like The X

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Files. Didn't it feel a little
bit like The Night Strangler? Yeah?

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Well, I mean it felt like
a mishmash of things. My point is

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like it felt like a bunch of
other things that were coppying from the original

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show. So we start off this
episode in a park. We've got a

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dog playing fetch, and then we
are cross cutting with a woman who is

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maybe being tortured or something. Eventually
we find out that she is having her

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vital life essence strained from her or
she's going to have her face bitten into

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and have her pituitary gland stolen.
And if that sounds familiar, listen back

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to some of our previous episodes,
because we have talked about this exact same

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thing before. Just like in the
episode toombs the same thing. He's stealing

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some sort of gland to make him
live longer, and it's at the same

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thing where there's like thirty five years
just like Night Strangler. It's like,

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oh my god, like there's original
ideas I guess are at a premium for

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this show, which it could have
been a good episode. It's again another

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lackluster outing for a show that everyone
has been telling us is a lackluster show.

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At least in this episode, we
get a lot of Eugene Bird as

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alex Nybee because he's really at the
center of this thing because there's this dead

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body that gets found. That's how
we were cutting back and forth between the

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park and this woman was because the
corpse is found at the park and she's

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got this big hole in her face
and Nibee is like, no, something's

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hinky here. But the corner,
the other corner, because I guess he's

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the assistant corner, is just like, yeah, no, everything's fine here,

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everything's fine. We're all fine.
How are you? This guy,

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Aaron Shields is his character's name,
played by Kevin rom And I don't think

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we've ever seen him before, but
he's just kind of wedged into this as

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is his mother, Marlene Shields,
played by Nia Ferlin, who is looking

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really good for the most part.
Yeah, the character of doctor Shields definitely

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felt like a CSI character of the
Week. He's totally not the bad guy

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thing. It would have been cool
if this had been a character that had

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been in the show for a couple
episodes, because that would have been like

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an interesting way to introduce a character
who's already been in the show as like

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an integral part into the episode,
right, and then that twist of him

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being something fiendish would have been like, Oh, okay, It's kind of

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like there was a one of the
assistants on Bones who ended up being basically

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a pawn for a serial killer and
I was like, oh, well,

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that's kind of a shock. I
didn't see that coming. It would have

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been interesting if that had been the
way the episode had done it. However,

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we just get a clearly shoehorned in
character who we've never seen before,

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who totally doesn't have anything to do
with the main villain. Feels pretty ham

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fisted, as always with this show, Well, what is his relationship with

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this woman that he's calling his mother? Because there's also another I can't say,

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a character, but it's a corpse
that seems like that was the mother,

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old assistant or something like he says
my brother, I think at one

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point. So it's like, is
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it seems like he's been with her
for a long time as well. So

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they show a picture at the end
of the episode that would lead me to

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believe that it is his mom where
it's like her holding a young boy and

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she has lived for hundreds, if
not thousands of years, right, eating

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people's pituitary glands, which, by
the way, a tumor or a problem

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with the pituitary gland is what causes
like acromegaly, which is like you know

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what you know, like the Big
Show or sun Ming Ming or any like

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the big like very tall people andre
the Giant. That's what they had a

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problem with was their protuitary gland,
which I don't know how that equates into

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living forever. It's a thing.
It's a gland. So we're just gonna

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they're not eating the brain, they're
eating something else. Yeah, I've seen

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that's before three times now. It
kind of reminded me a little bit of

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like let the right one in where
I thought that maybe she would recruit somebody

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and then use them for a long
time and then dispose of them. But

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it seems like the Sun is also
getting some sort of long lasting life benefit

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out of this too, I guess, or he's like covering up for her.

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Again, it's not made entirely clear
what's going on in a lot of

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the episode, which is fine,
I mean, a little bit left to

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audience interpretation is normally okay, but
with an episode like this one where they're

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trying to actually craft an interesting villain, you got to explain it just a

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little bit more. I'm not saying
completely basil exposition it where it's like this,

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this, this, this and this, but like, don't leave it

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completely up to just, oh whatever, you'll figure it out audience. It

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feels a little sloppy. So,
Mulder, do you expect me to believe

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that there's a woman who every thirty
five years eats the pituitary gland of three

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women who happened be born on my
birthday and blah blah blah blah blah.

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Yeah, that's kind of what it
sounded like. So the reason why I

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say this one really feels like the
Knight Strangler is that There is a character

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coming back in from The Knights Strangler, which is Titus Berry, who was

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known as Mister Berry and the Knights
Strangler played by Wally Cox in that version

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and played by Stephen Tobolowski. Here
Big Tobo, El Tobo love the Tobo.

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Yeah, he is a fantastic character
actor. Yeah, he's just fantastic

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and everything. Like you know,
everybody knows him as Ned Ryerson from Groundhog

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Day, but he's done a lot
more than that, like writing one of

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my favorite movies, True Stories,
which if you've never seen it, go

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check it out. It's probably not
going to be your thing, but if

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it is your thing, cool.
But he's great in this episode. I

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would say he's the best part of
this episode. I'm sure you would agree,

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probably with a second place going to
Eugene Bird, who's always fantastic as

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Alex Nibi. Tobo is such that
I wish that he had been a regular

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character in this entire series, kind
of like oh have given the would have

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given the show some character as opposed
to a bunch of flat, one dimensional

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exactly, and it would have been
something I guess like going all the way

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back to the night Stalker rather than
him going rather than Colchack going to outside

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sources. Sometimes he could go down
to the Morgue, talk to mister Barry

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and get some information. That way, he would be like another source.

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And you know, it does feel
like there is something missing from the show.

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And now seeing Tobolowski in the show, it's like, well, now

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we know what was missing was like
that kind of fourth wheel fifth wheel,

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you know, technically sixth wheel if
you count n ibe. I mean,

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I don't think, okay, so
you still don't need Jane in this I'm

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sorry. I like the actor.
I disagree. Really, I feel like

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the problem with this show because look, were one episode away from the end

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of the show. I mean,
we could have this discussion now or on

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the next episode that we talk about
this show. We could do a post

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mortem on Colchack two thousand and five. But this show has good characters that

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are poorly written, that are one
dimensional. I think they all serve a

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purpose. I just don't think they're
executed very well. You know. I

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mean, you really don't think the
character of Jane has a purpose in the

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show. Not really. He seems
like he's kind of a weird amalgam of

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Cole Chack and Perry in this like
he doesn't necessarily do much. And then

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I mean, he was the woman
tied to the railroad tracks for at least

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one episode, and it's like,
okay, well that would normally be the

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Perry role. I mean, really, in the original we just had Cole

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Chack, you know, and you've
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office. But when Colchack goes out, he goes out alone, and I

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think that that might be also the
issue with the two thousand and five show

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is that it becomes more of a
buddy show as opposed to a solo outing

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show, which obviously the buddy show
aspect does kind of draw inspiration from another

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show that Frank Spott and It's worked
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So they changed I think they changed
the I mean, I know, I

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know they changed the dynamic of the
show right from the get go. Right

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As opposed to just Colchack going out, it's Colchack and Perry Reid and then

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Jane going out as well, And
so you automatically changed the dynamic of this

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show that was a solo man show
who would check in with kind of his

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other side characters, you know.
Once or twice throughout the episode. But

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this has become a very different show, which necessitates in my mind, different

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needs for the character and those who
surround him. And I think Jane is

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a good character if he's written better, if he's given more to do other

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than kind of be I mean,
he's kind of exposition in a lot of

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these episodes. He reminds me a
lot of Zander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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I've never seen a single episode of
that show. Well there's our next

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podcast, Oh god, Josh weedon
Hater of Women. Nobody's ever talked about

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that show on the internet before.
Another to me better show than Nightstalker two

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thousand and five was Special Unit two
from the early two thousands, and the

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guy who wrote for this episode also
wrote an episode of Special Unit two where

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it was very X Files as far
as the you know, the creepy molder

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and the disbelieving Skully type of character. But it was really played a lot

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more for laughs, which I appreciated. Yeah. Again, it's just he's

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not given much of a characterization,
right, And like similarly with Vincenzo,

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I mean, Jesus, you're not
giving anything to do. Even Perry Reid's

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not given much to Vincenzo doesn't even
show up in this episode. Well he's

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credited, but he's not in it. At Tobolowski has actually given something to

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do. He brings a level of
interest to the character. And fuck,

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we're one episode away from the show
being done and we're finally meeting a character

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who's worth anything it. Come on, are you serious? Show like this

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is this is the worst way for
this show to go out, actually giving

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us a character who we give a
shit about them, being like he's in

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one episode and oh, by the
way, the show's about to be over,

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and oh, by the way,
this episode never even aired, so

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the people who are watching the show
never even got to see his performance.

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When we get to meet Perry's parents, which I don't think that we've ever

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met her folks before, and I
guess her dad as a doctor because he

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latches right in on that whole pituitary
gland thing. But he's just another exposition

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dump character. Now. I mean, it's one of these things where a

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lot of the characters aren't given characters. They're just a way to move the

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plot along. And I think that
that's the problem with this show, is

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that it's just flat, one dimensional
characters, and Colchak is the only one

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who's given any sort of characterization,
but even then and feels like he's just

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sleepwalking through every episode. And I
don't know if that's Stuart Townsend's fault,

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if all the other characters are pretty
one dimensional and flat. I don't think

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everybody was not committed to their roles
in this show, because I'm pretty sure

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as an actor, your dream is
to be on a show that runs for

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thirteen fucking seasons, like Jensen Accles
and Jared Padilecki. You've got a constant

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paycheck that you will never have to
worry about not making money. And I'm

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sure everyone who is involved with this
show, I would hope maybe not.

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We're interested and excited in making this
show a success, and it's a little

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disappointing to me that we have gotten
this far into the show and nothing has

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really changed. I can say unequivocally
that from the first episode we watched to

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the penultimate one, it's still that
same sleepwalking nonsense that Stewart Townsend has done.

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Gabriel Union has given nothing to do, and the episodes are ultimately not

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that exciting or interesting, right,
I mean it is so by the numbers.

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I mean, here we go,
we've got the one corpse. We

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know that there's got to be two
more before we have another thirty five years

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go by. We have to catch
Victor Tombs before he goes back into his

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hide whole kind of thing. We
get a little bit of a bump because

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as there was another corpse who actually
died before the first corpse, so oh

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my god, there's going to be
one more murder. Right from the get

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go, Perry is like, oh, this woman reminds me of me.

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Oh, we were born on the
same day. I was just like,

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oh, my gosh. I mean, just to say she reminds me of

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me. She's a very career centric
woman who's driven by this and that and

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the other thing. Just go ahead
and say that, but that they were

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both born on the same day.
Oh, that's a little much. It's

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all again a lot of conveniences as
well. And so we've got the ticking

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clock and then it's kicked up a
notch and then we have to have the

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cross cutting between what's happening with Perry
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and then the big race to get
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saved. Wow. We've seen this
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particularly compelling now, and it wasn't
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we saw it. And it also
is not a great characterization for the Peri

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Reed character that she's always the one
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look, look, let's be real
here, there's nothing wrong with characters in

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distress. I don't know how you
get around that. I know that it's

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twenty nineteen and there are going to
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should never be in distress because that's
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casting in films and TV. But
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if a man's always being cast that
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to do it for a character one
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a way to balance it out.
I mean, they did have Jane in

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trouble at one point in this series. But there's an unreal expectation in this

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day and age with the way that
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women. It's you know, it's
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Find whatever my issue with this show
is that they never strayed very far

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away from a very reliable in quotations
formula. The formula for this show has

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always been the same, very much
like the original show, but the standards

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in two thousand and five were a
lot different than when the original show came

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out, At least I would have
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again, maybe that's not the way
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in two thousand and five. They
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distress other than just Perry, though
you talked about Jane being there, Vincenzo

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maybe once in a while, maybe
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Come on, but yeah, it's
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while. Have Perry save Colechack half
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that'd be nice. It's very one
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that works. But just because it's
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don't have to or want to or
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do something interesting. Maybe have a
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and Jane are all in trouble and
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something. Flex your creative muscles a
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show has been treading water since episode
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Nothing has changed. Do you know
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Perry Reid's father is his name in
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character name. Awesome, kind of
lazy. It is lazy. Again,

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the show is lazy. It's disappointing. We're part of a couple of Facebook

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groups and I mean I've gone and
looked and read at what people say about

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this show, and I was hoping. I was like, maybe they're just

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looking at the original show through nostalgic
glasses, rose tinted glasses, Right,

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maybe this show's actually not that bad. No, I think this show is

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living up to what other people feel
about it. It didn't do enough to

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differentiate itself from shows that were on
at the time. Hell, shows that

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are still on. I mean,
I think Supernatural came out around the time

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that this show came out. Yeah, I think it was like two weeks

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before or something like that. I
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episode. I mean Supernatural has taken
up the mantle of X Files and by

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proxy Coal Check, which is great
because Supernatural, you know, it's gone

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on for a lot longer than I
think anyone thought it would watching the first

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episode live, which I know I
did. But you know, for all

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of the problems that it has as
a show, which it has a fair

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amount, it has at least done
interesting stuff with the narrative and the formula.

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There's not saying that this show wouldn't
have, but getting into a rhythm

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and settling into a very basic formula
right out of the gate and not doing

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anything interesting or new or innovative,
it's not going to get you a second

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season. It's not even going to
get all of your episodes aired out of

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the gate because this episode was never
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and it's unfortunate because when we talked
to Frank Spott, and it's oh,

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so many years ago, it was
clear to me, and I don't

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know how you felt about it,
that his heart was in the placed with

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this show and through no fault of
his own, some of his fault,

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I mean, I err on the
side of there's some fault in all camps.

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The show ended up not going anywhere, and it's an episode like this

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that is kind of an indicator as
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of shit we've seen before from better
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even then, I wasn't a huge
fan of The Knights Strangler because I felt

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it was derivative of the original TV
movie Nightstalker to begin with. I feel

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like I'm railing against his show,
but like, this is worse, so

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close to the end here and nothing
has changed, and that to me is

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a huge disappointment. So we have
one more episode left of this will We

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then also talk about the m word
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it was picking up a cole Chack
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so yeah, I'm just kind of
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Someone with Murray from Flight of the
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I watched some of The X Files
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stayed away from it because it ended
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helping it. Which, by the
way, if you're a fan of the

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X Files, you know that those
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you know, were essentially the same
thing. The show got kicked in the

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pants once David Kovny left, but
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did you No, But I did
happen upon that episode, and then

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I just noticed how Murray was dressed
as coal Chack. And then when we

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talked with Frank, he was like, oh, yeah, that was an

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unused script. So I think we're
going to have to read both the script

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and then watch that as Probably we'll
do what's the frequency coal check and a

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couple of months, and then we'll
do the M word in a couple of

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months, and then hopefully we'll kind
of be done with cole Chack two thousand

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and five. We'll definitely put it
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I'm not upset. I'm just disappointed. I don't know if a year from

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now I'm going to remember this show, you know what I mean. Well,

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let's just hope we go out on
a high note with it. Let's

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make a prediction for the next episode
of the show. Do you think the

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next episode of the show is going
to walk us out on a high note.

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I will tell you that it's the
only episode of the show that I

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actually remember and that I remember liking
the episode. So that's what I'm hoping

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for, Okay, because I've looked
at not that you know, we should

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put any credence in them, but
I've looked at the ratings on IMDb,

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and there's only three episodes that go
above seven seven point one for the pilot

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with sixty ratings, seven point three
from Mallam with forty ratings, which,

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by the way, I don't even
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Mallem is just okay, and then
seven for what's the frequency cold Check with

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forty one reviews. So my hope
is we kind of go out on a

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high note. My hope was that
we were going to kind of reassess this

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show from a different angle and come
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maybe not as bad as everyone says, but I'm going to have to you

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know, you know, I don't
think there's anything we can do or the

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show can do at this point to
change my opinion. I think when we're

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said and done with this, it's
going to be you know what a disappointment,

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not a surprise, considering how everyone
on every cold check anything has said,

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yeah, it's not good. Well, next month we will be back

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with an episode of the original series, which is Demon and Lace from nineteen

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seventy five. So until then,
Chris, what has been happening at the

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Culture Cast? Well, right now
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in the middle of Mike White March, named for the gentleman who is currently

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currently sitting to my left. I
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this podcast with me. Mister Mike
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Culture Cast. We're talking osploitation films, Australian exploitation films if you couldn't pick

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it up from the Pretty on the
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check those out, And we're watching
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either one of us have seen.
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Head an over to culturecast dot com. Mike, what are you up to

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when you're not on the col Jack
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podcast with you called Dreams for Sale
where we talk about Twilight Zone from the

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mid eighties, so starting in nineteen
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our nascent days. With that,
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our belt, six maybe by the
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check that out over at twilight Zone
eighty five. And then yeah, I

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do a little thing called the Projection
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kinds of crazy movies and yeah,
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I will be recording an episode about
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young Bill Paxton Rest in peacebo Pacson. So as always, I want to

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those who have come before us,
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