Welcome back to I'll Evotement Part two here on Blood and Dust podcast, Wild
West True Crime. Julie Cammy, how are you ladies doing today? Doing
pretty good? Pretty good? Yeah? Yeah, a little wild night last
night, Cammy feeling all right? I did. I had a I had
a new hair, so I went out with the girls and we had a
great time and played in a little mini tourney which was fund Cammy through on
the razzle dazzle. So that makes it a girl's night, right, Yeah,
maybe I need to start doing that. When you go play many tournaments,
you have to go throw your hair in a ponytail anyway, don't you.
No, no, you use it as a blocker, don't you your
hair to where you get tunnel vision from the table and can't see anything around
you. Cammy is a fellow pool player. Kill out some of that commentary
that the boys like to give when there's a female shooter. Oh of course,
yeah, it happens for dude sometimes too, not as often, not
as often, but I'm usually I don't like to shark, but every now
and then I'll be making off hand compliments or off hand comments, you know
when somebody else, Oh that's a good shot. I don't know, kind
of lucky, but never. There's this guy last night and they called him
Cranky Sanna and he was basically narrating all the games. We have an old
dude like that or that I used to play with. I was like that
too, and it's just like, bro, shut up, just go outside.
And he does it on purpose. He knows what he's doing. Yeah,
that's why we just played with earbuds in. Are you ladies ready to
go? Who wants to go first? Awkward silence. I'll go first,
all right. So right round eighteen fifty, the group parted ways near Santa
Fe in New Mexico Territory, and Brewster took a northern route and the Oatman
family, along with several other families, went south to SoCoRo and Tucson.
It was in Tucson that Olive's father, Roy Oatman, took command of the
party that was traveling south. So from then we get into early eighteen fifty
one. The wagon train reaches New Mexico Territory and they are met there with
harsh environment gas resources. The group abandoned their goal of reaching the mouth of
the Colorado River, and their journey ended in Maricopa wells. And isn't this
part of the area of the United States where at night it gets freezing cold
and during the day it's just severely hot depending on the months too, So
I'm guessing it was miserable. Yes, yes, I used to live down
in the around the Phoenix area and in Saint David as well, and that's
usually how it is, depending on the elevation. I will say that elevation
definitely plays a factor because I frequent the Utah area. The Colorado River runs
through it, and it gets dry heat during the day, cold at night.
But you know, if you're in a wagon with your entire family,
and his wife was pregnant, like, I can't imagine this being comfortable.
Oh no, it's just a land of extremes. So it's either really hot
or like he said, really cold. Yeah, right, very little game,
very little water. Oh absolutely. And I remember living in Phoenix,
and I mean it'd be ninety degrees at night, you know, three am.
It's one of those weird terrains depending on the elevation. But yeah,
it's pretty harsh out there. But the Oapmen family were the only ones that
continued to push west after all this, and the townspeople actually warned the wagon
train of barren trails and the hostile natives as well. So for six days
the family traveled southwest, and on the seventh day they again ran into Doctor
Lookout and his guide, who were both on their way back to fort Yuma.
The family pleaded with him to deliver a message to fort Yuma requesting supplies
and assistance, to which he agreed to. So the next morning, when
the doctor and his guide were due to set out out, a group of
natives appeared from behind a bluff and entered their camp in what would be a
successful attempt to distract the doctor and his guide while their animals were being stolen.
Both a doctor and his guide return to town and leave a note posted
to a tree in hopes of warning the Oatman family of the dangerous natives and
a promise to return with reinforcements and supplies. Yeah, we noticed or mentioned
this in part one, and I think Justin was retelling it. Where they
ran into where they were supposed to read the note on the tree, and
it was just like fate kind of intervened and they didn't see the note,
and perhaps if they would have seen it, the entire family would still you
know, have survived. Absolutely, just kind of sad. It is really
sad. In the memoir, Lorenzo actually expounds upon that, and there's like
two or three pages where he's talking about the fates and this letter. So
that's a very good point. This whole story is just like kind of makes
you sick. But unfortunately there's a whole new world, you know, on
our time frame compared to theirs. It's just kind of sad, oh,
definitely, And unfortunately this is what leads us to the Oatman massacre in March
eighteen fifty one. This is the party now passes what is Gilli Bend,
what they now call Oatman Flat. They made a camp there about their fourth
day when they were out of Maricopa Wells. This would have been approximately eighty
to ninety miles outside of Yuma. The terrain was rough and visibility was low.
Making camp on a small island sandbar, the group struggled against strong winds
and surges of water that at times would come up and try to put out
their fires. So this was just a terrible sound like a rough night.
Yes. The next day they traveled to the opposite bank, and after difficulty
with pushing the wagon livestock and supplies all the way up that steep embankment.
They were left to break camp early and planned to make up for it by
traveling the next night by moonlight. Lorenzo, which is olives younger brother.
I thought he was older, Yeah, the one older than her. He
was actually quoted in that memoir as saying, for one hour the night before,
my father had wept bitterly while in the wagon, thinking himself concealed from
his family, but of which I was ignorant until it was told me by
my eldest sister. During the day, my mother was calm, cool and
collected, patient to endure, and diligent to do that she might administer the
comfort of the rest of us. So it just really kind of illustrates how
stressful this was. You see the effect on his father and his mother's really
just there trying to hold things together for the family. Man. Man,
I couldn't even imagine. Yeah, So this is where they actually met up
with the Indian where the actual massacre starts to occur. It was there on
the embankment that the family was approached by party of natives, And this is
a direct quote from their memoirs. It is Captivity of the Oatman Girls.
And this is directly from it was written by I believe what was his name
again, kiami Ah Stratton, Yeah, Stratton. So he wrote it in
a way obviously to gain but most of it should be roughly what happened or
had occurred. To keep that in your back pocket when you're hearing this quote,
our hasty mail had been served. My father sat and, seemingly spellbound
with his own struggling emotions, was a little on one side, as if
oblivious evolve immediately about him, and was about in the act of lifting some
of the baggage to the wagon that had as yet remained unloaded since the ascent
of the hill. When casting my eyes downhill by the way we had come,
I saw several Indians slowly and leisurely approaching us on the road. I
was greatly alarmed, and for a moment dared not to speak. At the
time my father's back was turned, I spoke to him, and, pointing
to the Indians, what I saw in my father's countenance excited me and a
great fear, and it took a deeper hold upon my feelings of the danger
we were in. Then at the sight of the Indians they were now approaching
near us. The blood rushed to my father's face. For a moment,
his face would burn and flash as it was crimson with the tide from within,
and then a deathlike paleness would spread over his countenance, as if a
whole frame was suddenly stiffened with horror. I sat too plainly the effort that
it cost him to attempt a concealment of his emotions. He succeeded, however,
in controlling the jerking of his muscles and his mental agitations, so to
tell us in a mild composed accents not to fear the Indians would not harm
us. He had always been led to believe that the Indians could be so
treated as to avoid difficulty with them. He had been among them much in
the Western States, and so often tried his theory of leniency with success that
he often censured the whites for their severity towards them, and was disposed to
tribute injury received from them to the unwise and cruel treatment of them by the
Whites end quote. So I really liked this from the book because I really
like how it explained that Roy Oatman actually tried to be friendly with the natives
and wasn't quick to cause conflict. Yeah, he wasn't quick to rush to
alarm. He wasn't quick to judging, just kind of treated them with compassion,
I suppose from reading that. So after the Indians approached, he became
collected and kindly motioned them to sit down, spoke to them in Spanish,
to which they replied. They immediately sat down upon the stones about us,
and still conversing with father in Spanish, made the most vehement professions of friendship.
They asked for tobacco and a pipe that they might smoke in token of
their sincerity and of their friendly feelings towards us. This my father immediately prepared,
took a whiff himself, then passed it around even to the last.
After smoking, these Indians asked for something to eat. Father told him of
our destitute condition, and that he could not feed them without robbing his family.
That unless we could soon reach a place of new supplies, we must
suffer. To all this, they seemed to yield only a reluctant hearing.
They became ernest and rather imperative, and every plea that we made to them
of our distress, but increased their wild and furious clamors. Father reluctantly took
some bread from the wagon and gave it to them, saying that it was
robbery and perhaps starvation to his family. As soon as this was devoured,
they asked for more. Meanwhile surveying us narrowly and prying and looking into every
part of the wagon. They were told that we could spare them no more.
They immediately packed themselves into a secret council little on one side, which
they conducted in the Apache language, which was wholly unintelligible to us. We
were totally in the dark as to their designs, save that their appearance and
actions were the threatening of some hellish deed. We were now about ready to
start. Father had again returned to complete the reloading of the remainder of articles.
Mother was in the wagon arranging them o'live with. My older sister was
standing upon the opposite side of the wagon. Mary Anne, a little girl
about seven years old, sat upon a stone holding a rope attached to the
horns of the foremost team. The rest of the children were on the opposite
side of the wagon from the Indians, so the whole family at this point
is just kind of hanging around hoping to avoid any more trouble. Yeah,
and to get the heck out of Dodge. Well, it seemed like they
were playing nice at first when they were getting what they wanted, and then
when they were told, Hey, if I give you any more, I'm
going to be starving my own family. We got nothing else to give you,
right, And obviously they were not there to make friends, as indicated
as we'll soon find out. Yeah, So the way it's told is that
all of a sudden, while you know, the family's over here and the
natives are over there, all of a sudden, the natives it roughed into
hoping war cries and they start attacking the family. They are attacked with clubs,
and I believe it was Lorenzo. He was struck on the top of
the back of his head. He actually was struck so hard that he fell
to his knees and was struck unconscious. And then all of continues to say
that as soon as they had taken her on to one side one of the
Indians, she actually saw what happened with Lorenzo, and almost at the same
instance, her father was also beaten. She's just completely in shock with what
she's seeing happen around her. And she turns around and she sees her father
struggling and bleeding, you know, in the dirt, and the top of
his head is basically busted open, and she's just looking around. She sees
her mother and her mother also has the youngest sibling in her arms, and
her mother and the sibling are attacked and unfortunately they're all murdered. I believe
they're all beaten to death in the head with the war club. Yeah,
that's horrible. Yeah. So after being knocked in the head with the war
club, Lorenzo, the older brother, is actually thrown over the side of
a cliff and left for dad after his body was rated for valuables. I
think they ended up taking a hat. And this is something to keep in
mind because Lorenzo actually goes on and never stops looking for his sisters. And
after he was pushed off that cliff, Olive and her younger sister, Mary
Anne, who was I believe seven at the time, they were taken away
from the murder scene. So three days after the attack, Lorenzo woke up
from his injuries on the cliff or you know, around that cliff area,
and went in search and help in finding his family. While searching, he
was found by Pimole natives and who took pity on him when they recognized him
as one of the children from the family that had set out on the trail
not too long ago. The natives took him from his horse to providing him
with blankets, water, and food. They bade him stay while they went
in search of the massacre site, leaving him with supplies and the promise of
an escort to Pimole. So Lorenzo understandably was nervous in their company and continued
on his way. Soon after they left, he was found by Robert Wilder
and was rejoined in an immigrant and wagon train three days later. Returning to
the Oatman flat and buried what remained of his family, he is quoted as
saying, we buried the bodies of father, mother and babe in one common
grave. This would have been due to the rocky desert landscape, and a
karen was used. They were not able to dig with any real depth.
Lorenzo returned to the settlement and continued his hope in finding and reuniting with his
sisters. Man. Could you imagine that though like living through that beating and
being left or dead, and they threw him down, like down at twenty
foot embankment. Dude ended up living and then he wakes up and he's like,
Okay, my sisters are still alive, two of them are. I
need to find him, and then just getting that help is gosh's just so
hard to do. What I remember, he crawled up the cliff, if
I remember correctly, and then he was making sure like finding every part of
his family to see like who was alive, who was dead? Can you
imagine finding your mother and father, let alone all of your siblings, let
alone too just dead. Oh my gosh. Can you imagine what he's thinking
is happening to his two sisters right, or how his stomach felt to the
Tinne Indians came and took him under their wing. He's probably thinking, I
don't know what to do with myself at this point. Oh yeah, yeah,
that would have been terrifying. Yeah. So after the attack, the
natives pillaged all the family's goods, and they even stripped the deceased bodies of
any of their valuables, and they took both fourteen year old Olive and seven
year old Mary Anne as captives, and once all the goods were packed up,
the girls were forced to walk a mile and a half to a former
native camp, which Olive was quoted as saying, they boiled some of the
beans just from our wagon, mixed some flour with water, and baked it
in the ashes. They offered us some food, but in the most insulting
and taunting manner, continually making merry over every indication of grief in us,
and with which our hearts were ready to break. We could not eat.
After the meal and about an hour's rest, they began to repack and make
preparations to proceed. The party then walked another mile or so and broke camp
for the night, where Olive and her sister were again offered food, and
understandably so declined because they were mourning and they were terrified. When Olive recounted,
she said, this food was offered to me, but how could I
eat to prolong a life I now loathed? The reader can perhaps imagine the
nature of my thoughts while standing at the camp fire, with my sister clinging
to me in convulsive sobs and groans from fear of the Indians, whose frowns
and threats mingled with hellish jests were constantly glaring upon us. She struggled to
repress and prevent any outburst of the grief that seemed to tear her little heart,
and when her feelings became uncontrollable, she would hide her head in my
arms and most piteously sob aloud. But she was immediately hushed by the brandishing
of a war club over her head. Man, God, that really got
me. I think the part where they said, why would I want to
eat to prolong a life that I no longer wanted? I mean, can
you imagine not wanting to live? You're one kidnapped by these people who just
murdered your dam your siblings, and you're sitting out here scared to death.
Oh my god, Well then you're trying to be strong for a seven year
old sister when you're only fourteen. That's what kept her going, and I
think that is yeah, yeah, so sad. Yeah. She makes reference
to that quite a bit in the memoir, including how much she really did
struggle with wanting to continue in the beginning. You know, she had to.
It was one of those things, It's like, if I'm gone,
what's going to happen to my little sister here exactly so. Under the threat
of the war club and untold violence, the girls were forced to march at
a foot rendering pace that almost led to Marianne being left behind, until a
native took her upon his back for the remainder of the day. The following
day, around noon, they broke camp to harvest the plundered livestock, and
the girls were offered food, of which this time they actually ate. I
would imagine at this time they were very trail very, especially with the walking.
Can you imagine in a hot, asolutely and survival mode right, The
next few days would prove to be a preview of the horrors that the girls
could expect for the next year of captivity. Olive spoke of the next day.
They endeavored now to compel Marianne again to go on foot, but this
she could not do, And after beating her again, all of which she
took without a murmur, one of them again took her upon his shoulder and
we started. I had not gone far before I found it impossible to proceed
on account of the soreness of my feet. They then gave me something very
much of the substance of soul leather, which they tied upon the bottom of
my feet. This was a relief, and although suffering much from thirst and
the pain of over exertion, I was enabled to keep up with the heavy
laden Indians. During the last six hours they whipped Marianne into walking. So
this is pretty harsh. Unfortunately, when you do read the memoir, it's
very clear that Marianne that poor little I have to remember, she's seven years
old. It's the worst of it, and it's just really sad. So
Olive really kind of goes into that mother nurturing role and really starts to try
and take care of her and look after her. Oh, I can't even
imagine. So the fourth day after the attack, the Oatman girls arrived to
the native camp that was to be their home for the next year. The
tribe had approximately three hundred members and subsisted of deer, quail, rabbit,
and root vegetables. In the memoir, Olive expounds upon the fact that they
were barely giving enough to survive, and even went so far as to say
the village believed that the young female should be allowed meat only when necessary to
prevent starvation, and that their own female children frequently died and those alive old
and young, were sickly and doorfish generally. So this is where I think
it's really important, along with all of the memoir to really take into account
the perspective that it's coming from, because while this could very well be completely
accurate, you also or I also wonder. You know, they're in the
desert, it's very scarce, nobody's getting a lot of meat, and she's
also interacting or having such negative interactions with this tribe. I doubt she's going
to see them in any kind of positive light. Yeah, definitely, I
would agree even if Olive recounted this, you know, because this is the
first part with the first tribe, even when she gets to the second tribe
and she becomes warm and friendly and even loving. At some point, Stratton
wrote this memoir and he phrased it in a way so he could gain more
fame and more money because the public's view of Indians were not good. Yes,
absolutely, and that was the it's hard to I'm grateful for the listeners
that we have because we've never gotten any snide comments about when we factually talk
about the past. Because if you're gonna sit here and look at the past
through a twenty twenty two lens. You're just not gonna get it. You're
just not going to get it. You can't do that. And not to
step on my soapbox, but that's from a twenty twenty two perspective or even
recently in the last couple of years. You cannot change history and you cannot
erase history, no matter who you are. I don't care exactly. Yeah,
it's like, that's why it's history. We can either learn from it
or we can pretend like it didn't happen or try to change it, which
in the long run does us no good. You know, it's kind of
counterproductive. So I will give a shout out to our listeners who have always
been very understanding of how we approach our topics, because topics like this are
harder because that's a real thing. Though, Like when they were writing articles
or writing you know, long essays or books at this time period, they
had a different mindset than what we have now. They had a different understanding.
It was a different time and we can't well, I kind of have
to provide an example. I know, this is like my one example.
I always go too, and I know if you're having a bet placed on
it, you're probably gonna win some money. But when I first kind of
became aware of Justin, I was going through, like, let's research Jesse
James, and then I fell into his stuff and like became just super enamored
with Justin because he told the Jesse James story so well, and he did
reiterate like, hey, the Jesse James that you grew up doing doesn't exist
because the people who wrote a Jesse James painted him as this hero and the
savior, and in fact he wasn't. And it was a real awakening for
me at that point. And I guess that's kind of where history for me
turned on its head, because you have to take in consideration these authors,
these news reporters, everybody who's trying to tell the history. They're doing it
from a point of view to get or gain something. Yes, and especially
in that context providing information to the public, there's always an agenda. Whether
your agenda is this that, or your agenda is to provide the could hard
facts. Our agenda is to provide the factual information. It's not to talk
bad about this or that. I mean, yeah, we both all three
of us have emotions about how this is all happening, and I couldn't even
imagine what these girls went through. I don't want to imagine what these girls
went through because you look back on it and it's like me, as a
guy at fourteen years old, could I have handled that? Like what would
I have done? You know? And that people were built different back then,
right, Yeah? And with Jesse James taking that as an example,
you had the North who painted him as a racist who hated the North,
and the South painted him as a hero who was robbing from the rich to
give back to the poor of the Southern community. And there was a lot
of kind for those of you who have not listened to that series, like,
there's a lot of context and detail going on there to talk about on
this episode. But it's like both our right to a certain extent. Yeah,
yeah, it's it depends not so much on your perspective, but like
if you look at his growth in his youth and what he saw when he
was a teenager and a kid that the North did to his family, like
the Northern militias and stuff like that, you can see why he hated the
North. It didn't have anything to do with slavery, Like he legitimately hated
the North. They tortured, and they tortured and strung up his father while
they burned the bottom of this feat so he could not walk over and help
them. And when they would string up his father, they would choke him
and the tree like from a noose until he was almost dead. Then they
would let him down again so he could start. He actually suffered a brain
damage from that and was like and that's part of the reasons. And then
you have the Pinkerton's who threw who threw explosives and his mother's window, killed
his baby brother, blew off his mom's arm. You know, like there's
a lot of context going on here, and unfortunately history has always written by
the victors. So that's that's why we love doing this podcast, because we
like bringing you the facts. We're not giving you our perspective. We're giving
you the cold, hard facts. And that's why I appreciate and love are
listeners so much, because you guys understand that you get that. Okay,
rant over Olive recounts a year of manual labor servitude under supervision of the native
females, with lashings and beating ever present. Their women were the laborers and
principal burden bearers. And during all of our captivity, it was our lot
to serve under these enslaved women, with the severity more intolerable less than that
to which they were subjected by their merciless lords. They invented modes and seemed
to create necessities of labor that they would gratify themselves by taxing us to the
utmost, and even took unwarranted delight in whipping us beyond our strength. And
that was a direct quote from Olive and her memoir. It just sounds horrible.
It's interesting to know that it wasn't just them going through a lot of
this, It was all the women related to the tribe. Oh yeah,
just like a gang of women just torturing them constantly. And you know how
vicious women are today, But can you imagine back then when their means of
every day was just to survive. And so now you're surviving, but you're
also like taking cruel enjoyment out of beating these white children. Yeah. Yeah,
So Olive and mary Anne would dream all the time of just trying to
escape, and they would keep an ear out for any kind of helpful information
regarding their specific location, and that of any English settlements that might be around,
but they did not have any luck. Olive reports that after several months
spent within the community and becoming more familiar with their language and treatment, and
general attitude towards the girls, especially mary Anne, changed, with the natives
being cautiously trusting enough to indulge their curiosities and again questioning the girls about their
family, travel and their culture. Olive and mary Anne's life continued in this
manner for a year when they heard a rumor that they were to be sold
to another tribe. The other tribe was a Mojave, whom irregularly traded with
their current captors. A few weeks after the Mohave returned and the daughter of
Chief espanyol I believe that's how it's pronounced, they traded two horses, a
few vegetables, a few pounds of beads, and three blankets for the sisters.
The Mojave and the Oatman girls then set out for what would be the
sister's new home, a three hundred and fifty mile journey to the Mohave Valley.
And think about that, these two girls got traded for two horses,
a few vegetables, a few pounds of beads and three blankets. That's all
they were worth. And then now they have to go in their three hundred
and fifty miles to the Mohave Valley. Did you guys imagined imagine this too?
They would have no idea that it was three hundred and fifty miles until
I right. So on March first, eighteen fifty two, the Oatman sisters
depart with the Mojave Olive is now fifteen and Marianne's eight. Marianne has even
more difficulty on this journey than she did after the massacre, but luckily,
after a bunch of complaining and threats from the new captors, the girls were
able to rest on the second day and daily travels were limited to thirty five
miles a day. They were also given strips of animal skin for their feet
and a small piece of meat that they would take forged roots, and that
was to last them for the next ten days. So this is when the
party, after eleven days, reaches the Mojave Valley. Also, like I
said in part one, when you reach a good stopping point, you have
to take it, and this is a good stopping point because this is just
another chapter that the girls go through when they get to the Mojave Valley.
So yeah, I guess on that note. Just wow, I had no
idea about anything like this is why I love doing this podcast because I get
to learn so much. Like we had stated in part one, we knew
who the woman was with the tattoos on her chin, we never knew everything
that really followed. We had always kind of, you know, heard this,
that and the other. But this is what I love about this,
Like, I am learning so much going through this research. I don't know,
what do you guys think? It's nice to see the grays. Yeah,
I just think it's amazing. I'm really grateful that even though it might
be written in a certain way to paint the Natives or Indians in a bad
light, you know, I'm grateful that people like Stratton, who probably had
an ill intent to gain famous, notoriety or money, they took the time
to like interview these people of their their historical journey. And now years later
we can read it and it's just it's just amazing to put yourself in their
mind while they're recounting this. It's yeah, it's just fascinating. It's freaking
heavy, it's really heavy. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. What
do you think, Cammy, No, I think it really is heavy.
And I think one of the things to really really keep in mind is how
young these girls are and how much they're going through. And they're young even
for their time. That's not I guess it's exaggerated from my mindset now,
but they were still very young back then. Like that eight year old girl
having to truck three hundred and fifty miles, you know, cross country.
I have two eight year olds, a boy and a girl, and I
can tell you they'd be dead within days. Like, I don't understand,
like how these kids would have done it. You know they obviously, Cammi
said it, they were built differently back then, or Justin said it.
But can you imagine your little kid at that age just trying to survive in
the heat thirty five miles a day. No, my two boys are completely
different. My younger son, he would try as hard as he possibly could.
My older boy straight up is like, Dad, you know, if
you know, if we lose power someday, you know, I'm probably not
gonna make it if there's no microwaves. And I'm like, all right,
that's your younger brothers learning how to fish and hunt and everything like like,
if you ask him nicely, he'll probably feed you. But yeah, my
oldest would perish, because God forbid, there's life without an iPad. Yeah,
and you can't step into a formist without screaming about bugs. But my
youngest could probably, he'd probably live, not to be morbid. But man,
this is this is deep, deep, just comparing different lives different times.
I just feel so bad for these little kids. And then another thing,
just another layer to think of when you're thinking about the memoir, is
all of the stuff that isn't in the memoir because with you got to remember
they're putting this out for publication, which is going to affect their reputation,
the reputation of two or one young woman, which back in the day meant
the world. So I can only imagine what's not in the plot that I
did not even think about that. That is a very very good point.
I do have thoughts on that, but we'll save that for part three.
I agree, yes, well, ladies, because then I'll get on another
box and just you know, we'll never know this. That's perfect. I
forgot. I forgot to say this in part one, and I know Justin's
probably gonna kind of well end this up. Really, I wanted to say
thank you for all of our listeners. Justin, Kamie and I are on
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an Instagram. We are not on Twitter, but that would be in the
world to us. We live interacting with people who listen to our show.
Yeah, the biggest thing you could do for us is if you could leave
us a review on iTunes or any platform that you are on, that would
be fantastic, or just kind of recommend us to people you think that would
like that. That would be great as well. And we're in a place
now where we feel like and I know we've said this probably a hundred times,
but we're actually getting way more organized. Like we have a said day,
a said time that we record every week, and yeah, as you
can see, we're we're getting better at that. So, Yeah, now
that we have a consistent, you know, tool of people we can kind
of lean on, and it's we got backups on backups. There's yeah,
there is there's a lot of us. Now you never know who you're going
to give from episode to episode. But I will say this, when I
started this podcast, and even with bringing on new co hosts, I am
very very picky about who I even ask. And there's a reason that I
have always asked the people that I have. Just know that it's not just
a bunch of randos anyway. We all have our superos. Yeah we do,
we do. But yeah, I suppose, ladies. It's been real
and fun, but not real fun. No, I'm just joking. I'm
just joking. Yeah, if you listeners only knew the stuff that gets edited
out, Oh, man, like one of these days, well, one
of these days we should plan a Q and A episode. I think that
would be fun. Or actually, like compile all of our bloopers and one
reel for our patreons or something. I tell you what, I've been saving
them on and off for a little while, so I haven't saved mind,
so when I edit, I need to start saving things like twenty minutes of
Matt's last Yeah, that's gigle for twenty minutes. It's always good. All
right, Well, good night, everybody, Thanks for listening. We appreciate
it. I don't remember and the barber and