1 00:00:16,679 --> 00:01:30,920 On episode four is sixty eight, Simon came on and told us about the 2 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,560 most recent encounter he had Judy Woods with his friend Michael ol and Anne Marie. 3 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,719 Well, after some time and some works, Simon put me into touch 4 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,760 with Michael, and luckily Michael's agreed to come on tonight's show and give us 5 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:48,040 his version of what happened that night. Michael, thanks so much for coming 6 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,959 on. It's little blitz be on your show. Vic. Obviously, I'm 7 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,480 feeling a lot better than I was last time when I spoke to you. 8 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,319 Obviously we spoke last time about everything happened to me, and yeah, it's 9 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:06,200 just wait to be back, and I'm feeling a lot better than I was 10 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,520 last time when I spoke to you. Well, I'm so glad you are. 11 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,199 That's really good news because you were in a bad way. Simon. 12 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Actually, when he contacted me about you, he was really concerned about you 13 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,919 and he was hoping a conversation if we could have when that is, would 14 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,639 help you. So I'm so glad to hear it did. Of course, 15 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:28,319 of course, it's like last time, I was so messed up. I 16 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,400 felt terrible. I was so nervous about talking to you. I was so 17 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,439 paranoid, it's like you won't believe it. Man, talking to you now, 18 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,879 I feel a lot more confident. I feel ready to talk about this. 19 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,039 I didn't really know what to say to you last time, but now 20 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:52,240 I'm ready to tell my story. And yeah, you saw last time, 21 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:59,280 Vic, I was just so like upset and paranoid and everything else like that. 22 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,319 It was just terrible. I was in a really bad way last time 23 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:07,199 I spoke to you. But now that we've had our little chat, I'm 24 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,400 ready to go. Now I feel a lot better about myself. Well that's 25 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:15,080 great news. Yeah, when we spoke that time, I could tell almost 26 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,879 instantly that you were in a really bad way. So that's music to my 27 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:23,120 ears to hear that you're doing so much better now. That's great. Michael. 28 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:28,120 Please give us a brief bio in yourself. Well, obviously you've heard 29 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:35,280 Simon's story in the past. I'm thirty two. I work a government job. 30 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:38,240 I'd rather not go into that, you know, meet government job. 31 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,199 But yeah, i'm Simon's friend. I'd rather not tell too much about myself. 32 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,560 But what else would you like to know? Well, you forgot to 33 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:52,400 mention the fact that you're an all around nice guy as well. I am 34 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:55,680 an all around nice guy. Like, there's a reason why Simon thinks so 35 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:00,000 highly of me because I am an all around nice guy. I'm quite a 36 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,280 boring guy, to be honest, I won't lie to you, Vic, 37 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,039 Nah, far from it. I'm not going to buy that. He don't 38 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:11,080 buy that at all. And it was something when Simon contacted me about you, 39 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,960 it sure sounded to me like he was more concerned about you than he 40 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,480 was about him coming to terms with that most recent encounter ye had. Also, 41 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:25,079 I've got some good news, Vic, Marie is out of the mental 42 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,600 institution. Oh good, that's the news I've heard recently. So who knows 43 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,959 in the future she might get in contact with you. I sure hope she 44 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:39,879 does. Well, I'll just say this, right, do you know, 45 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,639 last time I spoke to you, we have to like a little private conversation. 46 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,439 He really put me on the right track. After that conversation, I'm 47 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,439 thinking a Marie might want like a private conversation, you know, no recording 48 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,120 or anything like that, and she might end up coming and talking to you 49 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:03,759 privately, and then eventually, like I'm doing now, she might end up 50 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,879 recording an episode with you. Well, we do record a show, then 51 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:13,240 that's totally up to her. Like I said, there's never any pressure to 52 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,680 come on the show, so please make sure she understands that. Yeah, 53 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:24,360 obviously I didn't want to come on this show before, but the way you 54 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:30,360 spoke to me last time, you made sure that I was treated very well 55 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:36,199 by you. Even though it wasn't on like a public station, it wasn't 56 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,600 a public platform, you still made me feel better, way better about myself. 57 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,120 The only reason I'm here today I want to record an episode with you 58 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:55,399 is because she made me feel so like I felt believed and I felt I 59 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:01,319 felt like I felt cared for when I spoke to you last time. So 60 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:06,399 that's why I'm here today to record this episode with you. Well, it's 61 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:11,279 good you felt that way, because I definitely do care about you getting better 62 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:15,560 and coming to terms with that experience as great you picked up on that, 63 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,399 Michael, when Simon told you about his first encounter, he had the encounter 64 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:24,120 when he was bringing that little white dog home, but unfortunately you lost it 65 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,519 in the woods and then he had that dog me an encounter. Did you 66 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,959 believe him? No, I did not believe him. I thought he was 67 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,839 playing a Joe coleman. Do you know what I mean? Simon, We've 68 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:41,399 been friends for a good while. Yeah, obviously he's pulled pranks on me 69 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,560 in the years that I've known him. It's just like you, that's what 70 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,319 friends do. Man, We've pulled pranks on each other. We talk crap 71 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,920 to each other. I thought it was just making up stories, trying to 72 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,199 make me bite to his story. No, I honestly I didn't believe them 73 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:02,639 at all. Well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean, 74 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:08,399 your whole life, you've been conditioned to believe that things like dogmen and sasquatch 75 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:12,759 can't be out there, So that's not your fault. But unfortunately you saw 76 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,040 with your own eyes that guess what they really are out there? Unfortunately, 77 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:24,439 Yes I did. Yeah, I know what you're saying. There's no way 78 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:28,600 dog men, sasquatch, big foot, none of that's real, man, 79 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:35,120 Even ghosts. Ghosts not real. Well, after I experienced what I experienced, 80 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:41,399 man, I've got no doubts in my mind at all. These things 81 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:46,120 do exist. Yeah, they definitely do. Unfortunately, what do you think 82 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:57,079 of dogmen? Is Michael um? Well, before these encounters that I had 83 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,319 I didn't believe honestly that dogman existed. I've never heard of the so called 84 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,720 dogman, but I have heard of werewolves. So if you mentioned dogman, 85 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:20,079 I think it's just a werewolf. So I've never heard of such a creature 86 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:26,160 as a dogman. Let's let's call it a werewolf from now on. Well, 87 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:28,000 that point of view is no different from a lot of other people's point 88 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,600 of view. I mean a lot of people who have encounters with these guys, 89 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,080 they're convinced that they must be werewolves and not dog men. So it's 90 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,799 not just you. I do agreement. I think it were a werewolf what 91 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,399 we saw. I said dogman, I've never heard of it. I've heard 92 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,080 of werewolves before, but I've never heard of a doguman. Well, like 93 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,720 I said, that doesn't make any different from a lot of other people. 94 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,799 If you've had a dog mean an encounter would like to speak with me about 95 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,200 it, whether I'm private or on this show, please go to dog mean 96 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:03,000 Encounters dot com and submit report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would 97 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:05,240 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 98 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:11,120 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me. Know, well, Michael, 99 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,519 we can talk more. If you need more time to get ready to 100 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,679 tell us about the encounter, or if you're ready to talk about it and 101 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,440 tell us your version of what happened that night, then we can do that. 102 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,440 Now. It's totally up to you. Yeah, we can go for 103 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,600 it right now, Vic, we can go for it right now. Okay, 104 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:31,840 Well, if that's the case, then yeah, please tell us your 105 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:35,679 side of what happened that night, and please remember to give us every last 106 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:45,240 detail that comes to mind. Okay. It was May time. It was 107 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:52,279 a Sunday. I can't remember the exact day. I know it was May. 108 00:09:52,200 --> 00:10:00,159 We all met about six pm at Simon's house. Each old me that 109 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:07,279 he's going to go through the woods and he's gonna try to overcome his fear 110 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,799 of the dog man. So I turned up to his house at six thirty. 111 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:20,440 We ended up passing through the woods about seven pm. And during this 112 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,759 time, it was like, no, I don't believe you, Simon. 113 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:33,600 There's no way that you've had this dog man or werewolf encounter. I still 114 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,399 don't know what to call it. Is it a dog man, is it 115 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:43,360 a body? Werewolf? I don't know. Well, as we're walking through 116 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:48,440 the woods, Simone was being very quiet. We'd usually be having a laugh. 117 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,879 And I've said this before, but I think Sam was pranking me, 118 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,639 you know, because he's been such a joker in the past. It's like, 119 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,840 there's no way, there's no way I'm gonna like, maybe I'll try 120 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:09,279 to prank him too. Well, the way we're being so quiet and that 121 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:15,639 I thought it was setting me up. Anyway, we go through Judy Woods. 122 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:24,240 There were pegs from an overturned fence, so we pulled the pegs out 123 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,759 of the floor and Marie, who's Simon's girlfriend, used the what three words 124 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,080 up to get the exact location, and then we're planning the pegs in the 125 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:41,720 ground, you know, make a fire later on. So we went through 126 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,679 the woods when it was light and Simon said, oh, we're going to 127 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:52,679 Ronnie's house. So Ronnie, she's like Simon's friend, and we decided to 128 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:01,159 surprise Ronnie. I meet up with Ronnie a house. So we got to 129 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:07,960 run his house and it's like Ronnie's made all this really beautiful food for us. 130 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:15,039 So we went into Runne's house. We told Ronnie what we was planning 131 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:22,279 to do. Obviously, Ronnie knew about Simon's previous encounter before I knew anything 132 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:28,639 about the Dogman or whatever else. Right, Ronnie knew about Simon's previous encounter, 133 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,799 so I didn't know this at the time. I always thought so I 134 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,000 was ranking me. So we went to Ronnie's house. I had some nice 135 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:45,240 vegan food and stuff like that. It were actually brilliant to meet Ronnie. 136 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:52,159 Obviously she's like an older lady. It was nice to hear her life experiences 137 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,399 what she were telling me about. So we went to the White Bear Pub, 138 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,039 and this must have been about eight thirty. So there in mind, 139 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,360 I met Simon at half past six. It must have been about two hours 140 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:15,399 since I met Simon. So I worked through the woods we've seen Ronnie went 141 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:20,440 to the pub as it gets so bad half past eight, I would say 142 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,320 that Simon because obviously I didn't believe him at the time, or like, 143 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,120 come on and SIY, come on, siy, let's go find this dogman. 144 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,440 And it wasn't listening. He had his half a pint of Carlin, 145 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,559 which had been sat on for about two hours. I'd had about three pints 146 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:45,480 by that time because I like a drink as well, so I bangs on 147 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,759 the table. I said, Simon, let's go find this dogman. Then 148 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:58,120 and the whole pub went silent. It was like they all round at me. 149 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:05,519 I was like, come on, then, say well, everyone just 150 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:13,200 looking at me. So I thought that were a bit strange. I thought 151 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,559 that were a bit strange. So we went out at the pub. We 152 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:30,320 went back through Judy Woods and yeah, that's where it all went. This 153 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,039 is where it ended up being the worst, the worst experience of my actual 154 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:43,679 life ever. We went back into Judy Woods. After this, we got 155 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,480 the firelet. When we got the firelet, we're all talking about these crazy 156 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:54,960 encowards that Simon dad, and then it's like we will up the fire. 157 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:00,360 We got it late and we were just talking, talking, talking talking, 158 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:09,799 and then all of a sudden everything went quietup the fire it went it went 159 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:13,879 blue, it did, it went blue. All of a sudden, we 160 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:22,440 had a massive growl. I turned to me right inside, I looked looked 161 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:30,440 out for what made that growl. And then that's when it appeared. That's 162 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,679 when the dogman came out or the werewolf, what do you call it. 163 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,240 He appeared out of the bush or she appeared out of the bush. I 164 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:45,399 don't know. What kind of gender it will. I'm like six foot two, 165 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:54,120 and that were at least a foot told them me it was hard to 166 00:15:54,240 --> 00:16:00,559 make out the color of its fur because it was dark. And then all 167 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:07,360 of a sudden, apparently I went into like some kind of trance. But 168 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:18,080 it's like I was just stuck on my spot on the seat. It's like 169 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:23,320 everything going on around me. I got told that it were it was like 170 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:32,559 teasing or like I don't know, I don't I don't know words to explain 171 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:41,519 it. It was like it was like messing with with Simon and and Marie. 172 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,559 I would just sat there like I can't remember anything. At this point. 173 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,240 I would just sat there, apparently and I went into like a trance 174 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,919 and I were out of it for at least it felt like I was boy. 175 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,720 According to I'm in Lambree, it were about minutes. So I would 176 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:12,440 just sat there on this log. Well, it were like like teasing them. 177 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,559 It was like jumping in front of a Marie it were Simon said that 178 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,359 he touched it at some point. I don't know what happened there. I 179 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,920 would just there like a statue, like a gargoyle, just just stuck in 180 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:40,799 place, and as tie went on. Simon's words came true to me to 181 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,200 go. It feeds on your fear. That's what I heard. That's the 182 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:51,000 only thing I heard. It feeds on your fear. So like, I 183 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,880 just got up and I started like I went. I went for the the 184 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:03,880 peg that were in the fire, and I started swinging it around, and 185 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,599 then like he got scared off. Well, then Simon and Marie said to 186 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,279 me, it's a good job you walk up and started swinging that peg around, 187 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:21,599 or else we would have all been dead. Apparently after that, Yeah, 188 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:30,720 I remember just walking back to Simon's house and that worried. Did you 189 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:34,000 get any sleep that night? No? I didn't get any sleep for the 190 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,960 next week. Vic, Oh, I'm sure you didn't. I believe it. 191 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,039 Did you go into work. Did you have trouble working and functioning doing 192 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,240 things you needed to do in day to day life for the next week or 193 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:48,839 two after that? Or were you still able to get the job done? 194 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,279 No? I barely had any sleep for at least a week. I kept 195 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:02,720 waking up every time I would in the sleep, I kept getting like checked 196 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:07,519 back up by my subconscious. I said, it still mood for you wake 197 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,759 up, So I kept like shot in like wake up, wake up, 198 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:19,400 so I kept being like shocked awake by my own dreams. That's not good 199 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,240 at all. What are your sleep patterns like now? Much better? Pretty 200 00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:30,240 much still the same? Well, since I talked to you Vic last time, 201 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,119 we had a good chat, didn't me last time? I sleep? 202 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,920 What better? These days? Definitely? Oh good? That's really good news. 203 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,480 If you ever do start to have trouble again, please do let me 204 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:47,000 know. I've got an idea about how to remedy that. You told us 205 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,440 that you thought Simon was trying to prank you when you went to Judy Woods 206 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,920 with him and named Marie that night. Did da Marie seem to think he 207 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:59,799 was trying to prank her to you, I'd say with a marine No, 208 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,559 she believes Simon. Obviously I didn't because I know what kind of a pranks 209 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:10,759 to Simon's been in the past, but they hadn't been a couple for that 210 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:17,079 long, and I know what Simon's like and she didn't know. But obviously 211 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:22,160 I regret telling her that now because before we set off to Judy Woods, 212 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,240 when we met at Simon's house, I said, this guy's a joker. 213 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:32,200 Man. Don't believe anything he's saying. And I really regret what I said 214 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,039 to A Marie because she were in two minds at that point. It was 215 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:41,240 like, oh, my new boyfriend, he's lying about this, So I 216 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,720 wish I wouldn't have said anything to her. Well, don't be too hard 217 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,240 on yourself. Should have, could have, would have? You didn't know 218 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,119 at the timing. Unfortunately you know now that he was telling the truth. 219 00:20:53,839 --> 00:20:57,839 Yeah, I wish I wasn't doubt with him. And where do you explain 220 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,160 it like that? Because I feel really guilty if I telling No Marie not 221 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:06,920 to believe him, because I didn't believe him myself. Ronnie believed him. 222 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,279 I didn't try to persuade Roondy in any other way. It's like, if 223 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,640 she believed him, then Ronnie's about seventy years old. I don't know if 224 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:22,079 Simon's sold yo old runnyways. Well, if she can believe him, maybe 225 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,079 I shouldn't have chooged him too partially. Yeah, well we're back to the 226 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,680 hole. Should have, could have, would a thing? Again. Please 227 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,319 don't be too hard on yourself because you really didn't know, and almost anyone 228 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,480 would have responded that way in that same situation. So that's not your fault. 229 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:41,519 When you told Simon that you wanted to go find that dog man in 230 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:45,359 the pub that night, you said that, everyone stopped what theory doing and 231 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,680 just stared at you. When they did that, Did you feel like you 232 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,680 were sitting in the slaughtered lamb instead of the pub you're in. It was 233 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,000 just weird money. Obviously, I didn't think anyone would hear it when I 234 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,359 said it to him. I didn't think anyone would care that much. So 235 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,400 I said, come on, Simon, let's go find this dogman. And 236 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,240 it's like the pub just wait quiet, and it's like, what do they 237 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,440 know that I don't at that point, do they know there's a dog man 238 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:18,759 in these woods? It felt like or in a episode of the like the 239 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Twilight Zone. They like so confusing because I didn't think anyone could react to 240 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:32,279 what I said, like, let's go find this dog man. I don't 241 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:37,759 know. It was just it was really weird. But everyone just stopped looked 242 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,480 round at me, and then it seemed like there were quite a few moments 243 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:48,400 of silence. I don't like explain it. It was just an eerie feeling 244 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,480 when everyone they all just looked at me. It's like it were all on 245 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:59,440 me at that point. What does he know about these woods? It's like 246 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:03,839 the low calls knew about it. Well, it's like I was an outsider. 247 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:08,359 So it was just very weird, that's all I'll say. It was 248 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,319 just very weird. Yeah, weird, awfully awkward. Have an experience like 249 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,759 that. They just might know about that we're a wolf and Judy Woods. 250 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:21,599 It's hard to say. You never know, and I didn't think they all 251 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,960 know about it like that, but it seems like they all knew about the 252 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:30,599 werewolf for Judy Woods, and I was just an outsider saying let's go and 253 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:36,720 find it. It's like they already knew it whatever. And it's like I 254 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,160 was like a lump to the slaughter. The way I see it, it 255 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,079 sounds like they just might have known. Yeah, I'll give you that. 256 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,720 How far is that a pub from Judy Woods? Not very far at all. 257 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:56,119 I'd say about two hundred meters from the entrance to Judy Woods. That 258 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:02,759 pub is like on the main street and then you've got over the road. 259 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:07,079 It's it's Judy Woods. The entrance of you Woods is right there. Wow. 260 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,720 Close. Yeah, that's really close. How sure are you that the 261 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:19,160 werewolf was responsible for the fire turning blue. I'm actually not sure. This 262 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,680 is all new to me. Like I don't know about werewolf stories, I 263 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:29,839 don't know about dogman's stories. The first thing I heard about the werewolf or 264 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,599 the dogman, I still don't know where it is. Honestly, I don't 265 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,160 know what it is, but it's either the werewolf or the dogman of Judy 266 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Woods. I'm pretty sure that the dogman or the werewolf was responsible for the 267 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,599 fire turning blue. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure. 268 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:56,480 Yes, I think definitely that the dogman or the werewolf was responsible for it. 269 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,319 I don't know how I did it, but I agree. I think 270 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,279 it must have been responsible for the fire doing that. It's hard to wrap 271 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,960 your mind around how it could have done it, but like I said, 272 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,240 I'm pretty sure it was responsible. Is the fact the fire did that one 273 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,200 of the reasons why you think it just might be a werewolf and not a 274 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:22,720 dog man. I honestly don't know. I'd said there was. I think 275 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,359 there was so much super natural about it. I think the dogman are the 276 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,200 well off. I keep saying this, right, I don't know if I'm 277 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,319 just going to call it a well wolf from now one. Yeah, I 278 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:40,680 think the werewolf turned to that fire blue through its own. I think it 279 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:45,000 definitely was something to do with the werewolf. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised 280 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,319 if that's the case. Like I said, in a way, do you 281 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,599 think the fact that you frozen were out of it while the encounter played out 282 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,880 helped him make it being in your presence a little easier? Yeah, Because 283 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,359 obviously I heard that a Marie was getting chased by the way wolf. Imagine 284 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:12,720 being chased by something like I don't know. It's like she actually got stopped 285 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:18,279 by it twice. Apparently she tried running away from it, and it came 286 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,000 and brought her back to the center of the area where we was at, 287 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:29,480 and then it happened again. So as far as I'm saying for Marie, 288 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,599 I think if she would have kept running, it would have kept herding her 289 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,240 back or like bringing her back to where she was. And no matter how 290 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,920 many times she would have tried to run away from it, it might have 291 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,720 always like brought her back, do you know what I mean. It's like 292 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,039 the more she tried to run away, the more it brought her back. 293 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,359 So I was just like sat there and I felt trapped by it. I 294 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:02,240 didn't move. I didn't know And then, like Simon said, I was 295 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:06,880 in like some kind of runs with it. Like I don't think I was 296 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,079 in a truns per se, but I think I was just so scared of 297 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:17,000 it that I would just frozen to the spot. So I'm Marie, we're 298 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:22,279 just being constantly like herded back into the center of the area. We was 299 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,000 up by it. It's like, Wow, I wouldn't have liked to be 300 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,720 know in that situation, not at all. Now, these guys know what 301 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,519 they're doing. That we're wolf dogged me in, whatever you want to call 302 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,440 it. It knew that by chasing her back to the same spot, and 303 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,640 I was just going to heighten the tear that she felt. So I've got 304 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,119 no doubts that's why I did it. Unfortunately, you were out of it 305 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,440 at the time, so you probably don't. I'm going to ask you anyway, 306 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,839 do you remember the thought coming into your head about picking up that log 307 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480 and waving it at that dog me in or werewolf? It fills a werewolf 308 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:04,920 with the flame on it. Yeah, well, um, basically I was 309 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,160 just stuck there on the spot. Well, then I heard Simon's words. 310 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,279 Obviously we've talked about the seven magic words that you were talking about. But 311 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:22,000 Simon's words was it feeds on your fear, right, and he was shouting 312 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:26,000 that out to me, and that's how it woke up and actually came out 313 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,799 that like it was like I was stuck. It's like a rock on the 314 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720 spot, and I heard them words going through my mind at that point, 315 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:41,000 you know, Simon shouted out it feeds on your fear. And then I 316 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:44,160 don't know where where it came from, but I just got this like second 317 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,880 wind that it was like I stood up, I got the peg out of 318 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,200 the ground, and I just started swinging it after he said it feeds on 319 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:57,839 your fear. I don't know where them words came from, because when I've 320 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,079 spoke to you in the past, it's like there were normation of it feeds 321 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:07,359 on your fear. But Simon's words came into my mind. Then it's like, 322 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,400 it feeds on your fear. And then when I heard them words coming 323 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:18,319 from Simon, it's like I broke out the shackles and I just got up, 324 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,160 picked out the peg out the ground, and it started swinging it out 325 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,279 the werewolf. I don't know if you knew this or not, but dogmen 326 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:32,000 don't like fire. So just imagine the tear the fear that werewolf or dogman 327 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,039 felt when you pulled that peg out of the ground and started swinging it at 328 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,759 it with that flame dancing on that peg. It's funny that you're calling it 329 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,319 a dog man. So dogman don't like fire, No, they don't. 330 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:49,119 We always call it a dog sorry, a werewolf, not a dogman, 331 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,920 a werewolf. Maybe it was a dog man then, So if they don't 332 00:29:53,960 --> 00:30:00,000 like fire and I'm swinging like burning embers at them, it's like, yeah, 333 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,880 maybe it was a dogman. Then if you're saying they don't like fire 334 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,480 and maybe it was a dogman, they normally don't. And if that one 335 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,000 was dog me in or not a were wolf, which I've got serious doubts 336 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,880 about were wolves being a reality, but that's another show for another time. 337 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:18,920 But if it was a dog man, which I'm pretty sure it was, 338 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:25,119 and I pretty much guarantee he wasn't happy when you were doing that, Yeah, 339 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:30,440 because I just snapped out with like what was keeping me down? And 340 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,079 I just woke up. I heard what Salmon was shouting up, men, 341 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,119 it feeds on your fear, and I just go pull it out of the 342 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:44,559 fire and it started swinging out. The dogman started swinging it, So maybe 343 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,920 it was a dogman. Then you don't forget about where wolves. Then if 344 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,440 that's the dogman and they don't like fire, it definitely didn't like what I 345 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,000 were doing to it. I'm sure he didn't like that at all. Maybe 346 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,680 he had to go seat counseling because of that, traumatizing him. It's hard 347 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:06,400 to say. Simon made his believe that they feed on your fear known, 348 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,920 do you agree with that idea? Well, do you know when it came 349 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,480 out of the bushes when I looked at it. That's that's all I can 350 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,880 remember from this encounter, to be honest, right, I've been told about 351 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,240 everything that happened, like Simon's encounter, Simon's Tommy, what's happened, right, 352 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,480 But the only thing I can remember is I heard the growl. Yeah, 353 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,920 I looked to me right inside and that thing will coming through the bushes 354 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:45,160 and I was just stuck to the spot. Well, it's like everything you 355 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,039 know, up to the point of me getting up and swinging that peg with 356 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,039 the fire on it around my head and try to like attack the dog one 357 00:31:53,119 --> 00:32:00,960 with it. Everything that happened in that moment were a blur. All I 358 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:07,039 remember is I got stuck to the spot when it growled, and then the 359 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:12,079 next thing I remember, I was just swinging that that stick, that peg 360 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,920 around my head with the fire on it. So yeah, I couldn't believe 361 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,440 that it does feed on your fear that they do for some reason, they 362 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:27,079 love doing that. Simon gave us a really good description of that dogged me 363 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,759 and when he was on last time, and that's what I want you to 364 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,599 do now for us. Please describe it as carefully as you can, from 365 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,000 the tips of his ears all the way down to his feed. Well, 366 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:43,880 I'm six foot two, about two hundred I don't know why I'm telling you 367 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,240 I'm awhere, but i'll tell you a where. I'm six foot two around 368 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:54,680 two hundred pounds. You, this thing, this absolute monster of an animal, 369 00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:02,480 was at least seven ft five I'd say five easily easily, all right. 370 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,279 I do remember part of its and that to me I couldn't make out 371 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,720 like what clue it was because it was quite dark. Um. I do 372 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,680 remember it having a damage day. I'm sure Simon told you about it before. 373 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,160 I did have a damage day. I remember the damage day, um, 374 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,319 but Simon said it outside the damage tooth, but I don't remember even 375 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,759 looking at its teeth. Um. Yeah, it was just massive. That's 376 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,799 all I remember about it. And also would have it size like closed, 377 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,240 like partially closed. Um that where it's if I'm looking at it now, 378 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:51,599 it were it's left eye, but that's his or hers right eye. So 379 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,960 I was looking out from like straight on the left eye or like damaged, 380 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,319 but that's the dog man's right eye that were damaged. So I said that 381 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:10,920 it's two foot chipped. I can't remember anything about that. It was such 382 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:19,519 like it was just so scary, and I can't remember it's two but I 383 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:23,400 do remember it's I will close slightly did its I look to be damaged from 384 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,039 some kind of a sickness or due to a physical injury, like a possible 385 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:32,199 fight with another dog man. I think it's I will damage due to like 386 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:37,639 it being like hit in the eye. So I don't think it was like 387 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:43,920 damaged by anything else. Maybe I know I won't say that. I'm gonna 388 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,039 say maybe i'd hear if he were awesome. One of its eyes were like 389 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:52,719 well open, like you know, big massive round eye and they or eye 390 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,239 it was like quite close, like yeah, like maybe i'd been injured by 391 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,800 something, But I don't think it got injured by like a lot of a 392 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,599 dogma attack. You know. I don't know how it's high were like closed 393 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,039 up, but I just say it's eyes will it's I will close a little 394 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:15,400 bit. Oh, I don't know how it's I got injured, but it 395 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,360 were definitely injured. It sure does make you wonder how that happened and what 396 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:24,400 actually did injured? Then do you think the reason that ian Marie wound up 397 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,239 in that mental hospitals because of hers seeing the wrong thing to the wrong person, 398 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,280 or was that due to her inability to deal with that experience maybe as 399 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,480 well as you and Simon Dead, you weard my reaction to it, Mum, 400 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,760 I looked at it. Yeah, it's big wood seven foot eight foot 401 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,639 dogman. Right? What did I do? I ended it freezing on the 402 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,840 spot, And what I've heard it were like jumping in front of her, 403 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,360 like terrorizing her that twice to her, she tried to run away from the 404 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,760 dogman twice. And it's like who wouldn't be traumatized by that, you know 405 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:14,199 what I mean. It's like it heard it her back. It like pushed 406 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,039 her back twice when she tried to run away. She would already trying to 407 00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,960 get away from it, and the old man saw that trying to get away 408 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:25,519 from her, and the Dogman's like brought her back all these times. It's 409 00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:30,800 like she's trying to run away and the Dogman's just pulling her back all the 410 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,000 time. I don't know, man, I'd say that's why she was in 411 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:40,639 an a mental hospital because she would trying to get aware it was pulling her 412 00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,480 back all the time. No, I totally understand. Yes, if it 413 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,320 wasn't bad enough just to have that thing around, the fact that it was 414 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,320 chasing her the way it did, Yeah, that just takes it to a 415 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,119 only level. I'm still unsure about this, Michael. Do you think you're 416 00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:02,480 affected by that encounter more or less than Simon was? Well, I'd say 417 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,800 that was Simon's second encounter. Want it Simon pulled me into this encounter. 418 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:16,840 It's like, I don't know, I'd say that's his second experience here. 419 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:22,400 I didn't even believe him at first, So I reckon Simon has been way 420 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,360 more affective than I have because that was just one time for me, and 421 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:30,039 that's that's it for me. I am never going back in Judy Woods. 422 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239 No way, no how. You could pay me a million pounds to go 423 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,639 back in Judy Woods. Yeah, I am not doing it. I am 424 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:42,400 not doing it. Simon wanted to come back and face his fears and relive 425 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:47,119 his experiences. Well, I can't believe he actually went back into the woods. 426 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,440 I cannot believe he wanted to go back into the woods. That's some 427 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:57,199 man. That that is some man. I would never ever if I had 428 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,199 an experience like that, I would never go back then Woods. There's no 429 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,880 way you couldn't pay me a million pounds, a million dollars. You know. 430 00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,280 You couldn't pull me back into then Woods no matter how much you tried. 431 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,800 So yeah, I think it definitely affected Simon more than me. I 432 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,920 only had one experience, and that's it for me. I am never ever 433 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,400 ever going back in a then Woods, even if you offered me all the 434 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,800 money in the world, no matter what you offered me, I am never 435 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,960 ever going back in then Woods. So yeah, Simon would definitely more affected 436 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:35,480 than me. You say you'd never go back into Judy Woods. But how 437 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,519 about another forest. Do you think somebody down the road you might go into 438 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,719 another woods. Well, as long as it's not Judy Woods, I might 439 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,159 go back into some woods. It's just then Woods. At the moment, 440 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,679 I would never go back in at Then Woods. There's a few different forests 441 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,719 around our areas because we live in Yorkshire, so there's quite a few different 442 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,159 kind of like forests and greeneries and everything like that. Maybe I might go 443 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,159 into some different woods or some different you know, areas, but there's no 444 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,039 way I'd go back into Judy Woods. There's no way I could never go 445 00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:14,239 back into Judy Woods. Had you ever been in Judy Woods before he had 446 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,920 that experience, Oh yeah, I've been in Judy Woods quite a few times. 447 00:39:20,039 --> 00:39:22,320 When I was younger, I used to walk me dogs around Judy Woods 448 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,079 because I used to live quite close to Judy Woods. Obviously, I've moved 449 00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:35,440 houses since then, and I've moved like way down Bradford because wearing Bradford six, 450 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,840 I've moved to Bathfood five. And obviously when I were walking my dogs, 451 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,440 like you know, taking my dogs for a walk, I'd never take 452 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:49,239 my dogs up to Judy Woods because I live in Bradford five, so I'd 453 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,320 just taken around like my local park. So yeah, I'd never be up 454 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,159 near Judy Woods in the first place. Well, Michael, this isn't going 455 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,719 to give you the warm and fuzzies. But if you've been in Judy Woods 456 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,119 that many times before you had that experience, especially out there walking your dogs 457 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,840 doing whatever that dogged me in and others, I'm sure it's watched you more 458 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,599 times, and you can shake a stick at so those times when it was 459 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,880 watching you, when it was monitoring you, it never harmed you. It 460 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,800 never harmed you the night when you Simon and a Marie encountered it. But 461 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,159 you've been monitored by these guys more times than you can chack a stick out, 462 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,360 like I said, and you have yet to have a single hair in 463 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,360 your head harmed. So please remember that. I know it's not an easy 464 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,639 thing to ever someday plan on heading back into Judy Woods. But sometime eventually 465 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,679 down the road, I hope you do get to a point where you're comfortable 466 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,280 enough with heading back into the woods that you can, but I hope you 467 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:52,039 don't rush that. I'm glad you said that. Hopefully I couldn't come back 468 00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,840 into these woods. Well, I don't live close to the woods at the 469 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,559 moment. I live way down the road sat Judy Woods where Simon lives. 470 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:06,639 Yeah, I live on the main road, which is Manchester Road and it 471 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:12,480 goes down like miles Manchester Road. I live like quite in the middle of 472 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:20,159 Manchester Road and Simon lives like near the top of Manchester Road. I'd say 473 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,480 never say never, VIC, I'd say never say never. But hopefully I 474 00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:29,760 don't have anything to do with Judye Woods in the future, so I'd just 475 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,719 say, like, at the moment, I'm well away from them woods, 476 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,199 but when I used to take it with dogs for a walk, I will 477 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,480 quite close to the woods because I used to live up Simon's area, but 478 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,760 now I live way further down on Manchester Road, like away from the woods, 479 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,039 if you know what I mean. It's like I've got no actual reason 480 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:58,039 overcoming these woods again unless I moved back up towards Simon's area where he lives. 481 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,559 If that makes sense. That does make sense. Well, there goes 482 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,880 for any words. I hope that someday you can just go back into whatever 483 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,679 words you're close to you or want to go into. When enjoy yourself, 484 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:14,599 but all in good time. Yeah, I know what you mean by that. 485 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,599 It's like I remember them seven magic words that you told me, you 486 00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,719 know, the last time. Obviously this wasn't on record, you know, 487 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,800 we wasn't recording an episode at that time. But last time he told me 488 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,159 them seven magic words. I do remember that, and that's what keeps me 489 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,119 going because last time when we had a chat, I was a shell of 490 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,280 me for myself. But then you said them seven magic words, right, 491 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,519 and yeah, it makes sense, it makes sense big. It's like it 492 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:50,119 didn't want to hurt me. It didn't if that dog man on that experience 493 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,639 what I had on that night, Yeah, if it would have wanted to 494 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,360 hurt me, it would have been reading the news like, oh, three 495 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,119 people found they didn't Judy would That's what it would have been. Vic. 496 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,440 I used to believe that it's like that dog man or where Wolf, whatever 497 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:09,559 it is, whoever it is, forget about that, forget about what it's 498 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,519 called. Right, you would have been hearing about three people found dead and 499 00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:20,400 Judy Woods slices across the flesh and all that. It's like it didn't want 500 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,920 to hurt me at that point. It did not want to hurt me at 501 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,360 that point. Maybe I can go into the woods in the future, but 502 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:30,320 we'll just have to see. I'll see how I feel about that at that 503 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,800 point. It's like it didn't want to hurt me at that point. But 504 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,599 we'll see, we'll see. I do want to venture back in at them 505 00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:43,800 woods, but it's all about if I'm feeling up for it at the time. 506 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,559 And I'll just add this, Vic, do you know the woods in 507 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:55,840 America, I'd say, then woods in America they are way bigger, way, 508 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,280 way way bigger than what we have in the UK. I'll tell you. 509 00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,079 In the UK they want to get rid of all the woods. They 510 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:09,360 want to fight them and build like pedestrian areas. In the UK they want 511 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,000 to get rid of all the greenland and build houses on them. Well, 512 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:20,679 in the US, the US is like a thousand, probably ten thousand times 513 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,960 bigger than the UK, so it's like we don't have them big massive woodlands 514 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:31,360 because the government are trying to make houses on them green areas. So in 515 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:37,199 the US it's like you've got a much more massive area than we have in 516 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,880 the UK. If that makes sense, Oh sure, yeah, that definitely 517 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,599 does make sense. And as you know, there are a lot of people 518 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:47,719 who swear because of that the dogman can't be there, but they are as 519 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,239 you saw. I believe it. I think it was a well wolf or 520 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,639 dogman definitely. I still don't know what it was, but for what I'm 521 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:05,079 saying, it was definitely not a natural like piece of wildlife. In the 522 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,599 UK, we don't have still far out in the UK, we don't have 523 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,840 dog men or were wolves are like wild wolves or anything like that. So 524 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,639 it's like, well, I didn't think we did, but obviously they exist 525 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:23,079 here. They definitely exist here that they do as you saw with their own 526 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:28,760 two eyes. How long the walk is it? Through Judy Words to get 527 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,440 from Ronnie's house to where Simon lives. From Ronnie's house to where Simon's is, 528 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,440 I reckon it's the best part of about half an hour. Wow, 529 00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:43,639 that's a pretty good walk, about two miles. It is quite a massive 530 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,079 area. We went the long ways, which is about i'd say three or 531 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:53,920 four miles at least through the long ways. We went length ways. I'd 532 00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:00,960 say witth ways, it's about a mile and a half. So whitthways it's 533 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,159 like two three times as long as is witways, so we went lengthways. 534 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,320 Yeah, yeah, it sounds like you did give a long way. If 535 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,199 you've had a dog me an encounter would like to speak with me about it, 536 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,079 whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog meant Encounters 537 00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:21,360 dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would 538 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,480 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 539 00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:29,320 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. As sure as a 540 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,079 shema, you can't just head into any woods and be care free and just 541 00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:36,920 have a great time. But maybe sometime down the road, in your own 542 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,719 good time, you will be able to get back to doing that. I 543 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,960 sure hope you can. But having said that, before we get out of 544 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:52,039 here, definitely closing comments like to share, I'd just say these creatures do 545 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:58,199 definitely exist, no matter what point on the globe is you better a ready 546 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:04,480 to deal with these kind of creatures because they are definitely out there. I 547 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,519 never believed anything like this before I went out with Simon and actually like experienced 548 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:15,920 this myself. I never believed it before, but I'd say, yeah, 549 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,440 they definitely exist, and you're better were weary of them because they will mess 550 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,880 your life up. They will. If they want to terrorize you, they 551 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,840 will terrorize you. It all depends if they want to hurt you. That's 552 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,519 what i'd say. That's very well said. Well, Michael, I can't 553 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,960 thank you enough for coming on and giving us your version of what happened that 554 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,079 night. I'm so sorry, like I said that it had to happen, 555 00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,880 but I'm so glad to hear that you're doing so much better. So thank 556 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,159 goodness for that. I just said, thank you. Since we are last 557 00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:54,679 talk, I'm way more like understanding about it now. It's like I was 558 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,639 so confused last time when obviously you heard what I were talking about. Last 559 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:05,320 time, I felt like it were out to get me, like it will, 560 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:12,440 it will like stalk in me. But now I've realized that it was 561 00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:16,280 just an encounter. Way were like, yeah, it just wanted to like 562 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,000 tease me. It didn't want to hurt me. At seven seven magic words, 563 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,719 it didn't want to hurt me. And yeah, it was just an 564 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:31,400 unlooky encounter with a beast, an evil beast. When it boils down to 565 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:37,079 it, you basically had a grinch encounter. That's really what happened. And 566 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,639 to be honest, full disclosure, Michael, I didn't think there was any 567 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,400 way that you'd ever wind up wanting to record a show. I thought that 568 00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,320 we would just have conversations about that experience and that was going to be it. 569 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,960 When you reached out to me and you asked about coming on the show, 570 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,159 you said, okay, well I'm ready to record a show. I 571 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,599 just didn't see that coming. But I'm so glad to hear that you're doing 572 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:04,000 so much better now that you are ready to do this. So that's really 573 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,880 good news. And please do remember if sometime down the road you do need 574 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,199 more help for whatever reason, please let me know. I'm not going anywhere. 575 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920 I'll be there for you. Well, Vic, all I've got to 576 00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:22,840 say is man, when I first thought about reaching out to you from Simon, 577 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,840 Simon told me, you know, reach out to Vic, I'll say, 578 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,440 Oh, I just fought like you wanted to make a quick book. 579 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,760 I'm sorry for saying this. Well, I thought you were just you wanted 580 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,920 to like said to me, Michael, just call on me show, you 581 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,519 know, and it's like you'll make you'll get some publicity of this. Well, 582 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,400 it wasn't like that at all. You spoke to me, and you 583 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,719 said to me, we don't have to record this. You know, I 584 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:58,679 was happy enough to just talk to you. We've been recorded, and you 585 00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,159 just wanted to help. You didn't want to make a quick book off me. 586 00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,119 You didn't want to do anything like that. You just said, let's 587 00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:13,000 talk, Michael, Let's talk, and I'll forever be appreciative of what you 588 00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:16,159 said to me, of what we talked about that night. You'll before I 589 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:22,679 came on the show, It's like, yeah, actual's Thick. Now, 590 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,960 It's like you never wanted to take advantage of anything like that. You were 591 00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:35,440 just there to give a sympathetic here to me. I'm so glad you understand 592 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,360 that now. Having said that, Michael, thanks again so much for your 593 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,199 time. Like I said, please remember, if you ever need my help 594 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,239 in the future, please do let me know, because if that's the case, 595 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,079 I'll be glad to help. However, I can thank you very much, 596 00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:53,280 Thick. I appreciate you and everything you do. Well. You know 597 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:58,320 you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.