On episode four is sixty eight, Simon came on and told us about the
most recent encounter he had Judy Woods with his friend Michael ol and Anne Marie.
Well, after some time and some works, Simon put me into touch
with Michael, and luckily Michael's agreed to come on tonight's show and give us
his version of what happened that night. Michael, thanks so much for coming
on. It's little blitz be on your show. Vic. Obviously, I'm
feeling a lot better than I was last time when I spoke to you.
Obviously we spoke last time about everything happened to me, and yeah, it's
just wait to be back, and I'm feeling a lot better than I was
last time when I spoke to you. Well, I'm so glad you are.
That's really good news because you were in a bad way. Simon.
Actually, when he contacted me about you, he was really concerned about you
and he was hoping a conversation if we could have when that is, would
help you. So I'm so glad to hear it did. Of course,
of course, it's like last time, I was so messed up. I
felt terrible. I was so nervous about talking to you. I was so
paranoid, it's like you won't believe it. Man, talking to you now,
I feel a lot more confident. I feel ready to talk about this.
I didn't really know what to say to you last time, but now
I'm ready to tell my story. And yeah, you saw last time,
Vic, I was just so like upset and paranoid and everything else like that.
It was just terrible. I was in a really bad way last time
I spoke to you. But now that we've had our little chat, I'm
ready to go. Now I feel a lot better about myself. Well that's
great news. Yeah, when we spoke that time, I could tell almost
instantly that you were in a really bad way. So that's music to my
ears to hear that you're doing so much better now. That's great. Michael.
Please give us a brief bio in yourself. Well, obviously you've heard
Simon's story in the past. I'm thirty two. I work a government job.
I'd rather not go into that, you know, meet government job.
But yeah, i'm Simon's friend. I'd rather not tell too much about myself.
But what else would you like to know? Well, you forgot to
mention the fact that you're an all around nice guy as well. I am
an all around nice guy. Like, there's a reason why Simon thinks so
highly of me because I am an all around nice guy. I'm quite a
boring guy, to be honest, I won't lie to you, Vic,
Nah, far from it. I'm not going to buy that. He don't
buy that at all. And it was something when Simon contacted me about you,
it sure sounded to me like he was more concerned about you than he
was about him coming to terms with that most recent encounter ye had. Also,
I've got some good news, Vic, Marie is out of the mental
institution. Oh good, that's the news I've heard recently. So who knows
in the future she might get in contact with you. I sure hope she
does. Well, I'll just say this, right, do you know,
last time I spoke to you, we have to like a little private conversation.
He really put me on the right track. After that conversation, I'm
thinking a Marie might want like a private conversation, you know, no recording
or anything like that, and she might end up coming and talking to you
privately, and then eventually, like I'm doing now, she might end up
recording an episode with you. Well, we do record a show, then
that's totally up to her. Like I said, there's never any pressure to
come on the show, so please make sure she understands that. Yeah,
obviously I didn't want to come on this show before, but the way you
spoke to me last time, you made sure that I was treated very well
by you. Even though it wasn't on like a public station, it wasn't
a public platform, you still made me feel better, way better about myself.
The only reason I'm here today I want to record an episode with you
is because she made me feel so like I felt believed and I felt I
felt like I felt cared for when I spoke to you last time. So
that's why I'm here today to record this episode with you. Well, it's
good you felt that way, because I definitely do care about you getting better
and coming to terms with that experience as great you picked up on that,
Michael, when Simon told you about his first encounter, he had the encounter
when he was bringing that little white dog home, but unfortunately you lost it
in the woods and then he had that dog me an encounter. Did you
believe him? No, I did not believe him. I thought he was
playing a Joe coleman. Do you know what I mean? Simon, We've
been friends for a good while. Yeah, obviously he's pulled pranks on me
in the years that I've known him. It's just like you, that's what
friends do. Man, We've pulled pranks on each other. We talk crap
to each other. I thought it was just making up stories, trying to
make me bite to his story. No, I honestly I didn't believe them
at all. Well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean,
your whole life, you've been conditioned to believe that things like dogmen and sasquatch
can't be out there, So that's not your fault. But unfortunately you saw
with your own eyes that guess what they really are out there? Unfortunately,
Yes I did. Yeah, I know what you're saying. There's no way
dog men, sasquatch, big foot, none of that's real, man,
Even ghosts. Ghosts not real. Well, after I experienced what I experienced,
man, I've got no doubts in my mind at all. These things
do exist. Yeah, they definitely do. Unfortunately, what do you think
of dogmen? Is Michael um? Well, before these encounters that I had
I didn't believe honestly that dogman existed. I've never heard of the so called
dogman, but I have heard of werewolves. So if you mentioned dogman,
I think it's just a werewolf. So I've never heard of such a creature
as a dogman. Let's let's call it a werewolf from now on. Well,
that point of view is no different from a lot of other people's point
of view. I mean a lot of people who have encounters with these guys,
they're convinced that they must be werewolves and not dog men. So it's
not just you. I do agreement. I think it were a werewolf what
we saw. I said dogman, I've never heard of it. I've heard
of werewolves before, but I've never heard of a doguman. Well, like
I said, that doesn't make any different from a lot of other people.
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to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me. Know, well, Michael,
we can talk more. If you need more time to get ready to
tell us about the encounter, or if you're ready to talk about it and
tell us your version of what happened that night, then we can do that.
Now. It's totally up to you. Yeah, we can go for
it right now, Vic, we can go for it right now. Okay,
Well, if that's the case, then yeah, please tell us your
side of what happened that night, and please remember to give us every last
detail that comes to mind. Okay. It was May time. It was
a Sunday. I can't remember the exact day. I know it was May.
We all met about six pm at Simon's house. Each old me that
he's going to go through the woods and he's gonna try to overcome his fear
of the dog man. So I turned up to his house at six thirty.
We ended up passing through the woods about seven pm. And during this
time, it was like, no, I don't believe you, Simon.
There's no way that you've had this dog man or werewolf encounter. I still
don't know what to call it. Is it a dog man, is it
a body? Werewolf? I don't know. Well, as we're walking through
the woods, Simone was being very quiet. We'd usually be having a laugh.
And I've said this before, but I think Sam was pranking me,
you know, because he's been such a joker in the past. It's like,
there's no way, there's no way I'm gonna like, maybe I'll try
to prank him too. Well, the way we're being so quiet and that
I thought it was setting me up. Anyway, we go through Judy Woods.
There were pegs from an overturned fence, so we pulled the pegs out
of the floor and Marie, who's Simon's girlfriend, used the what three words
up to get the exact location, and then we're planning the pegs in the
ground, you know, make a fire later on. So we went through
the woods when it was light and Simon said, oh, we're going to
Ronnie's house. So Ronnie, she's like Simon's friend, and we decided to
surprise Ronnie. I meet up with Ronnie a house. So we got to
run his house and it's like Ronnie's made all this really beautiful food for us.
So we went into Runne's house. We told Ronnie what we was planning
to do. Obviously, Ronnie knew about Simon's previous encounter before I knew anything
about the Dogman or whatever else. Right, Ronnie knew about Simon's previous encounter,
so I didn't know this at the time. I always thought so I
was ranking me. So we went to Ronnie's house. I had some nice
vegan food and stuff like that. It were actually brilliant to meet Ronnie.
Obviously she's like an older lady. It was nice to hear her life experiences
what she were telling me about. So we went to the White Bear Pub,
and this must have been about eight thirty. So there in mind,
I met Simon at half past six. It must have been about two hours
since I met Simon. So I worked through the woods we've seen Ronnie went
to the pub as it gets so bad half past eight, I would say
that Simon because obviously I didn't believe him at the time, or like,
come on and SIY, come on, siy, let's go find this dogman.
And it wasn't listening. He had his half a pint of Carlin,
which had been sat on for about two hours. I'd had about three pints
by that time because I like a drink as well, so I bangs on
the table. I said, Simon, let's go find this dogman. Then
and the whole pub went silent. It was like they all round at me.
I was like, come on, then, say well, everyone just
looking at me. So I thought that were a bit strange. I thought
that were a bit strange. So we went out at the pub. We
went back through Judy Woods and yeah, that's where it all went. This
is where it ended up being the worst, the worst experience of my actual
life ever. We went back into Judy Woods. After this, we got
the firelet. When we got the firelet, we're all talking about these crazy
encowards that Simon dad, and then it's like we will up the fire.
We got it late and we were just talking, talking, talking talking,
and then all of a sudden everything went quietup the fire it went it went
blue, it did, it went blue. All of a sudden, we
had a massive growl. I turned to me right inside, I looked looked
out for what made that growl. And then that's when it appeared. That's
when the dogman came out or the werewolf, what do you call it.
He appeared out of the bush or she appeared out of the bush. I
don't know. What kind of gender it will. I'm like six foot two,
and that were at least a foot told them me it was hard to
make out the color of its fur because it was dark. And then all
of a sudden, apparently I went into like some kind of trance. But
it's like I was just stuck on my spot on the seat. It's like
everything going on around me. I got told that it were it was like
teasing or like I don't know, I don't I don't know words to explain
it. It was like it was like messing with with Simon and and Marie.
I would just sat there like I can't remember anything. At this point.
I would just sat there, apparently and I went into like a trance
and I were out of it for at least it felt like I was boy.
According to I'm in Lambree, it were about minutes. So I would
just sat there on this log. Well, it were like like teasing them.
It was like jumping in front of a Marie it were Simon said that
he touched it at some point. I don't know what happened there. I
would just there like a statue, like a gargoyle, just just stuck in
place, and as tie went on. Simon's words came true to me to
go. It feeds on your fear. That's what I heard. That's the
only thing I heard. It feeds on your fear. So like, I
just got up and I started like I went. I went for the the
peg that were in the fire, and I started swinging it around, and
then like he got scared off. Well, then Simon and Marie said to
me, it's a good job you walk up and started swinging that peg around,
or else we would have all been dead. Apparently after that, Yeah,
I remember just walking back to Simon's house and that worried. Did you
get any sleep that night? No? I didn't get any sleep for the
next week. Vic, Oh, I'm sure you didn't. I believe it.
Did you go into work. Did you have trouble working and functioning doing
things you needed to do in day to day life for the next week or
two after that? Or were you still able to get the job done?
No? I barely had any sleep for at least a week. I kept
waking up every time I would in the sleep, I kept getting like checked
back up by my subconscious. I said, it still mood for you wake
up, So I kept like shot in like wake up, wake up,
so I kept being like shocked awake by my own dreams. That's not good
at all. What are your sleep patterns like now? Much better? Pretty
much still the same? Well, since I talked to you Vic last time,
we had a good chat, didn't me last time? I sleep?
What better? These days? Definitely? Oh good? That's really good news.
If you ever do start to have trouble again, please do let me
know. I've got an idea about how to remedy that. You told us
that you thought Simon was trying to prank you when you went to Judy Woods
with him and named Marie that night. Did da Marie seem to think he
was trying to prank her to you, I'd say with a marine No,
she believes Simon. Obviously I didn't because I know what kind of a pranks
to Simon's been in the past, but they hadn't been a couple for that
long, and I know what Simon's like and she didn't know. But obviously
I regret telling her that now because before we set off to Judy Woods,
when we met at Simon's house, I said, this guy's a joker.
Man. Don't believe anything he's saying. And I really regret what I said
to A Marie because she were in two minds at that point. It was
like, oh, my new boyfriend, he's lying about this, So I
wish I wouldn't have said anything to her. Well, don't be too hard
on yourself. Should have, could have, would have? You didn't know
at the timing. Unfortunately you know now that he was telling the truth.
Yeah, I wish I wasn't doubt with him. And where do you explain
it like that? Because I feel really guilty if I telling No Marie not
to believe him, because I didn't believe him myself. Ronnie believed him.
I didn't try to persuade Roondy in any other way. It's like, if
she believed him, then Ronnie's about seventy years old. I don't know if
Simon's sold yo old runnyways. Well, if she can believe him, maybe
I shouldn't have chooged him too partially. Yeah, well we're back to the
hole. Should have, could have, would a thing? Again. Please
don't be too hard on yourself because you really didn't know, and almost anyone
would have responded that way in that same situation. So that's not your fault.
When you told Simon that you wanted to go find that dog man in
the pub that night, you said that, everyone stopped what theory doing and
just stared at you. When they did that, Did you feel like you
were sitting in the slaughtered lamb instead of the pub you're in. It was
just weird money. Obviously, I didn't think anyone would hear it when I
said it to him. I didn't think anyone would care that much. So
I said, come on, Simon, let's go find this dogman. And
it's like the pub just wait quiet, and it's like, what do they
know that I don't at that point, do they know there's a dog man
in these woods? It felt like or in a episode of the like the
Twilight Zone. They like so confusing because I didn't think anyone could react to
what I said, like, let's go find this dog man. I don't
know. It was just it was really weird. But everyone just stopped looked
round at me, and then it seemed like there were quite a few moments
of silence. I don't like explain it. It was just an eerie feeling
when everyone they all just looked at me. It's like it were all on
me at that point. What does he know about these woods? It's like
the low calls knew about it. Well, it's like I was an outsider.
So it was just very weird, that's all I'll say. It was
just very weird. Yeah, weird, awfully awkward. Have an experience like
that. They just might know about that we're a wolf and Judy Woods.
It's hard to say. You never know, and I didn't think they all
know about it like that, but it seems like they all knew about the
werewolf for Judy Woods, and I was just an outsider saying let's go and
find it. It's like they already knew it whatever. And it's like I
was like a lump to the slaughter. The way I see it, it
sounds like they just might have known. Yeah, I'll give you that.
How far is that a pub from Judy Woods? Not very far at all.
I'd say about two hundred meters from the entrance to Judy Woods. That
pub is like on the main street and then you've got over the road.
It's it's Judy Woods. The entrance of you Woods is right there. Wow.
Close. Yeah, that's really close. How sure are you that the
werewolf was responsible for the fire turning blue. I'm actually not sure. This
is all new to me. Like I don't know about werewolf stories, I
don't know about dogman's stories. The first thing I heard about the werewolf or
the dogman, I still don't know where it is. Honestly, I don't
know what it is, but it's either the werewolf or the dogman of Judy
Woods. I'm pretty sure that the dogman or the werewolf was responsible for the
fire turning blue. I can't say for certain, but I'm pretty sure.
Yes, I think definitely that the dogman or the werewolf was responsible for it.
I don't know how I did it, but I agree. I think
it must have been responsible for the fire doing that. It's hard to wrap
your mind around how it could have done it, but like I said,
I'm pretty sure it was responsible. Is the fact the fire did that one
of the reasons why you think it just might be a werewolf and not a
dog man. I honestly don't know. I'd said there was. I think
there was so much super natural about it. I think the dogman are the
well off. I keep saying this, right, I don't know if I'm
just going to call it a well wolf from now one. Yeah, I
think the werewolf turned to that fire blue through its own. I think it
definitely was something to do with the werewolf. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
if that's the case. Like I said, in a way, do you
think the fact that you frozen were out of it while the encounter played out
helped him make it being in your presence a little easier? Yeah, Because
obviously I heard that a Marie was getting chased by the way wolf. Imagine
being chased by something like I don't know. It's like she actually got stopped
by it twice. Apparently she tried running away from it, and it came
and brought her back to the center of the area where we was at,
and then it happened again. So as far as I'm saying for Marie,
I think if she would have kept running, it would have kept herding her
back or like bringing her back to where she was. And no matter how
many times she would have tried to run away from it, it might have
always like brought her back, do you know what I mean. It's like
the more she tried to run away, the more it brought her back.
So I was just like sat there and I felt trapped by it. I
didn't move. I didn't know And then, like Simon said, I was
in like some kind of runs with it. Like I don't think I was
in a truns per se, but I think I was just so scared of
it that I would just frozen to the spot. So I'm Marie, we're
just being constantly like herded back into the center of the area. We was
up by it. It's like, Wow, I wouldn't have liked to be
know in that situation, not at all. Now, these guys know what
they're doing. That we're wolf dogged me in, whatever you want to call
it. It knew that by chasing her back to the same spot, and
I was just going to heighten the tear that she felt. So I've got
no doubts that's why I did it. Unfortunately, you were out of it
at the time, so you probably don't. I'm going to ask you anyway,
do you remember the thought coming into your head about picking up that log
and waving it at that dog me in or werewolf? It fills a werewolf
with the flame on it. Yeah, well, um, basically I was
just stuck there on the spot. Well, then I heard Simon's words.
Obviously we've talked about the seven magic words that you were talking about. But
Simon's words was it feeds on your fear, right, and he was shouting
that out to me, and that's how it woke up and actually came out
that like it was like I was stuck. It's like a rock on the
spot, and I heard them words going through my mind at that point,
you know, Simon shouted out it feeds on your fear. And then I
don't know where where it came from, but I just got this like second
wind that it was like I stood up, I got the peg out of
the ground, and I just started swinging it after he said it feeds on
your fear. I don't know where them words came from, because when I've
spoke to you in the past, it's like there were normation of it feeds
on your fear. But Simon's words came into my mind. Then it's like,
it feeds on your fear. And then when I heard them words coming
from Simon, it's like I broke out the shackles and I just got up,
picked out the peg out the ground, and it started swinging it out
the werewolf. I don't know if you knew this or not, but dogmen
don't like fire. So just imagine the tear the fear that werewolf or dogman
felt when you pulled that peg out of the ground and started swinging it at
it with that flame dancing on that peg. It's funny that you're calling it
a dog man. So dogman don't like fire, No, they don't.
We always call it a dog sorry, a werewolf, not a dogman,
a werewolf. Maybe it was a dog man then, So if they don't
like fire and I'm swinging like burning embers at them, it's like, yeah,
maybe it was a dogman. Then if you're saying they don't like fire
and maybe it was a dogman, they normally don't. And if that one
was dog me in or not a were wolf, which I've got serious doubts
about were wolves being a reality, but that's another show for another time.
But if it was a dog man, which I'm pretty sure it was,
and I pretty much guarantee he wasn't happy when you were doing that, Yeah,
because I just snapped out with like what was keeping me down? And
I just woke up. I heard what Salmon was shouting up, men,
it feeds on your fear, and I just go pull it out of the
fire and it started swinging out. The dogman started swinging it, So maybe
it was a dogman. Then you don't forget about where wolves. Then if
that's the dogman and they don't like fire, it definitely didn't like what I
were doing to it. I'm sure he didn't like that at all. Maybe
he had to go seat counseling because of that, traumatizing him. It's hard
to say. Simon made his believe that they feed on your fear known,
do you agree with that idea? Well, do you know when it came
out of the bushes when I looked at it. That's that's all I can
remember from this encounter, to be honest, right, I've been told about
everything that happened, like Simon's encounter, Simon's Tommy, what's happened, right,
But the only thing I can remember is I heard the growl. Yeah,
I looked to me right inside and that thing will coming through the bushes
and I was just stuck to the spot. Well, it's like everything you
know, up to the point of me getting up and swinging that peg with
the fire on it around my head and try to like attack the dog one
with it. Everything that happened in that moment were a blur. All I
remember is I got stuck to the spot when it growled, and then the
next thing I remember, I was just swinging that that stick, that peg
around my head with the fire on it. So yeah, I couldn't believe
that it does feed on your fear that they do for some reason, they
love doing that. Simon gave us a really good description of that dogged me
and when he was on last time, and that's what I want you to
do now for us. Please describe it as carefully as you can, from
the tips of his ears all the way down to his feed. Well,
I'm six foot two, about two hundred I don't know why I'm telling you
I'm awhere, but i'll tell you a where. I'm six foot two around
two hundred pounds. You, this thing, this absolute monster of an animal,
was at least seven ft five I'd say five easily easily, all right.
I do remember part of its and that to me I couldn't make out
like what clue it was because it was quite dark. Um. I do
remember it having a damage day. I'm sure Simon told you about it before.
I did have a damage day. I remember the damage day, um,
but Simon said it outside the damage tooth, but I don't remember even
looking at its teeth. Um. Yeah, it was just massive. That's
all I remember about it. And also would have it size like closed,
like partially closed. Um that where it's if I'm looking at it now,
it were it's left eye, but that's his or hers right eye. So
I was looking out from like straight on the left eye or like damaged,
but that's the dog man's right eye that were damaged. So I said that
it's two foot chipped. I can't remember anything about that. It was such
like it was just so scary, and I can't remember it's two but I
do remember it's I will close slightly did its I look to be damaged from
some kind of a sickness or due to a physical injury, like a possible
fight with another dog man. I think it's I will damage due to like
it being like hit in the eye. So I don't think it was like
damaged by anything else. Maybe I know I won't say that. I'm gonna
say maybe i'd hear if he were awesome. One of its eyes were like
well open, like you know, big massive round eye and they or eye
it was like quite close, like yeah, like maybe i'd been injured by
something, But I don't think it got injured by like a lot of a
dogma attack. You know. I don't know how it's high were like closed
up, but I just say it's eyes will it's I will close a little
bit. Oh, I don't know how it's I got injured, but it
were definitely injured. It sure does make you wonder how that happened and what
actually did injured? Then do you think the reason that ian Marie wound up
in that mental hospitals because of hers seeing the wrong thing to the wrong person,
or was that due to her inability to deal with that experience maybe as
well as you and Simon Dead, you weard my reaction to it, Mum,
I looked at it. Yeah, it's big wood seven foot eight foot
dogman. Right? What did I do? I ended it freezing on the
spot, And what I've heard it were like jumping in front of her,
like terrorizing her that twice to her, she tried to run away from the
dogman twice. And it's like who wouldn't be traumatized by that, you know
what I mean. It's like it heard it her back. It like pushed
her back twice when she tried to run away. She would already trying to
get away from it, and the old man saw that trying to get away
from her, and the Dogman's like brought her back all these times. It's
like she's trying to run away and the Dogman's just pulling her back all the
time. I don't know, man, I'd say that's why she was in
an a mental hospital because she would trying to get aware it was pulling her
back all the time. No, I totally understand. Yes, if it
wasn't bad enough just to have that thing around, the fact that it was
chasing her the way it did, Yeah, that just takes it to a
only level. I'm still unsure about this, Michael. Do you think you're
affected by that encounter more or less than Simon was? Well, I'd say
that was Simon's second encounter. Want it Simon pulled me into this encounter.
It's like, I don't know, I'd say that's his second experience here.
I didn't even believe him at first, So I reckon Simon has been way
more affective than I have because that was just one time for me, and
that's that's it for me. I am never going back in Judy Woods.
No way, no how. You could pay me a million pounds to go
back in Judy Woods. Yeah, I am not doing it. I am
not doing it. Simon wanted to come back and face his fears and relive
his experiences. Well, I can't believe he actually went back into the woods.
I cannot believe he wanted to go back into the woods. That's some
man. That that is some man. I would never ever if I had
an experience like that, I would never go back then Woods. There's no
way you couldn't pay me a million pounds, a million dollars. You know.
You couldn't pull me back into then Woods no matter how much you tried.
So yeah, I think it definitely affected Simon more than me. I
only had one experience, and that's it for me. I am never ever
ever going back in a then Woods, even if you offered me all the
money in the world, no matter what you offered me, I am never
ever going back in then Woods. So yeah, Simon would definitely more affected
than me. You say you'd never go back into Judy Woods. But how
about another forest. Do you think somebody down the road you might go into
another woods. Well, as long as it's not Judy Woods, I might
go back into some woods. It's just then Woods. At the moment,
I would never go back in at Then Woods. There's a few different forests
around our areas because we live in Yorkshire, so there's quite a few different
kind of like forests and greeneries and everything like that. Maybe I might go
into some different woods or some different you know, areas, but there's no
way I'd go back into Judy Woods. There's no way I could never go
back into Judy Woods. Had you ever been in Judy Woods before he had
that experience, Oh yeah, I've been in Judy Woods quite a few times.
When I was younger, I used to walk me dogs around Judy Woods
because I used to live quite close to Judy Woods. Obviously, I've moved
houses since then, and I've moved like way down Bradford because wearing Bradford six,
I've moved to Bathfood five. And obviously when I were walking my dogs,
like you know, taking my dogs for a walk, I'd never take
my dogs up to Judy Woods because I live in Bradford five, so I'd
just taken around like my local park. So yeah, I'd never be up
near Judy Woods in the first place. Well, Michael, this isn't going
to give you the warm and fuzzies. But if you've been in Judy Woods
that many times before you had that experience, especially out there walking your dogs
doing whatever that dogged me in and others, I'm sure it's watched you more
times, and you can shake a stick at so those times when it was
watching you, when it was monitoring you, it never harmed you. It
never harmed you the night when you Simon and a Marie encountered it. But
you've been monitored by these guys more times than you can chack a stick out,
like I said, and you have yet to have a single hair in
your head harmed. So please remember that. I know it's not an easy
thing to ever someday plan on heading back into Judy Woods. But sometime eventually
down the road, I hope you do get to a point where you're comfortable
enough with heading back into the woods that you can, but I hope you
don't rush that. I'm glad you said that. Hopefully I couldn't come back
into these woods. Well, I don't live close to the woods at the
moment. I live way down the road sat Judy Woods where Simon lives.
Yeah, I live on the main road, which is Manchester Road and it
goes down like miles Manchester Road. I live like quite in the middle of
Manchester Road and Simon lives like near the top of Manchester Road. I'd say
never say never, VIC, I'd say never say never. But hopefully I
don't have anything to do with Judye Woods in the future, so I'd just
say, like, at the moment, I'm well away from them woods,
but when I used to take it with dogs for a walk, I will
quite close to the woods because I used to live up Simon's area, but
now I live way further down on Manchester Road, like away from the woods,
if you know what I mean. It's like I've got no actual reason
overcoming these woods again unless I moved back up towards Simon's area where he lives.
If that makes sense. That does make sense. Well, there goes
for any words. I hope that someday you can just go back into whatever
words you're close to you or want to go into. When enjoy yourself,
but all in good time. Yeah, I know what you mean by that.
It's like I remember them seven magic words that you told me, you
know, the last time. Obviously this wasn't on record, you know,
we wasn't recording an episode at that time. But last time he told me
them seven magic words. I do remember that, and that's what keeps me
going because last time when we had a chat, I was a shell of
me for myself. But then you said them seven magic words, right,
and yeah, it makes sense, it makes sense big. It's like it
didn't want to hurt me. It didn't if that dog man on that experience
what I had on that night, Yeah, if it would have wanted to
hurt me, it would have been reading the news like, oh, three
people found they didn't Judy would That's what it would have been. Vic.
I used to believe that it's like that dog man or where Wolf, whatever
it is, whoever it is, forget about that, forget about what it's
called. Right, you would have been hearing about three people found dead and
Judy Woods slices across the flesh and all that. It's like it didn't want
to hurt me at that point. It did not want to hurt me at
that point. Maybe I can go into the woods in the future, but
we'll just have to see. I'll see how I feel about that at that
point. It's like it didn't want to hurt me at that point. But
we'll see, we'll see. I do want to venture back in at them
woods, but it's all about if I'm feeling up for it at the time.
And I'll just add this, Vic, do you know the woods in
America, I'd say, then woods in America they are way bigger, way,
way way bigger than what we have in the UK. I'll tell you.
In the UK they want to get rid of all the woods. They
want to fight them and build like pedestrian areas. In the UK they want
to get rid of all the greenland and build houses on them. Well,
in the US, the US is like a thousand, probably ten thousand times
bigger than the UK, so it's like we don't have them big massive woodlands
because the government are trying to make houses on them green areas. So in
the US it's like you've got a much more massive area than we have in
the UK. If that makes sense, Oh sure, yeah, that definitely
does make sense. And as you know, there are a lot of people
who swear because of that the dogman can't be there, but they are as
you saw. I believe it. I think it was a well wolf or
dogman definitely. I still don't know what it was, but for what I'm
saying, it was definitely not a natural like piece of wildlife. In the
UK, we don't have still far out in the UK, we don't have
dog men or were wolves are like wild wolves or anything like that. So
it's like, well, I didn't think we did, but obviously they exist
here. They definitely exist here that they do as you saw with their own
two eyes. How long the walk is it? Through Judy Words to get
from Ronnie's house to where Simon lives. From Ronnie's house to where Simon's is,
I reckon it's the best part of about half an hour. Wow,
that's a pretty good walk, about two miles. It is quite a massive
area. We went the long ways, which is about i'd say three or
four miles at least through the long ways. We went length ways. I'd
say witth ways, it's about a mile and a half. So whitthways it's
like two three times as long as is witways, so we went lengthways.
Yeah, yeah, it sounds like you did give a long way. If
you've had a dog me an encounter would like to speak with me about it,
whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog meant Encounters
dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would
like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go
to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. As sure as a
shema, you can't just head into any woods and be care free and just
have a great time. But maybe sometime down the road, in your own
good time, you will be able to get back to doing that. I
sure hope you can. But having said that, before we get out of
here, definitely closing comments like to share, I'd just say these creatures do
definitely exist, no matter what point on the globe is you better a ready
to deal with these kind of creatures because they are definitely out there. I
never believed anything like this before I went out with Simon and actually like experienced
this myself. I never believed it before, but I'd say, yeah,
they definitely exist, and you're better were weary of them because they will mess
your life up. They will. If they want to terrorize you, they
will terrorize you. It all depends if they want to hurt you. That's
what i'd say. That's very well said. Well, Michael, I can't
thank you enough for coming on and giving us your version of what happened that
night. I'm so sorry, like I said that it had to happen,
but I'm so glad to hear that you're doing so much better. So thank
goodness for that. I just said, thank you. Since we are last
talk, I'm way more like understanding about it now. It's like I was
so confused last time when obviously you heard what I were talking about. Last
time, I felt like it were out to get me, like it will,
it will like stalk in me. But now I've realized that it was
just an encounter. Way were like, yeah, it just wanted to like
tease me. It didn't want to hurt me. At seven seven magic words,
it didn't want to hurt me. And yeah, it was just an
unlooky encounter with a beast, an evil beast. When it boils down to
it, you basically had a grinch encounter. That's really what happened. And
to be honest, full disclosure, Michael, I didn't think there was any
way that you'd ever wind up wanting to record a show. I thought that
we would just have conversations about that experience and that was going to be it.
When you reached out to me and you asked about coming on the show,
you said, okay, well I'm ready to record a show. I
just didn't see that coming. But I'm so glad to hear that you're doing
so much better now that you are ready to do this. So that's really
good news. And please do remember if sometime down the road you do need
more help for whatever reason, please let me know. I'm not going anywhere.
I'll be there for you. Well, Vic, all I've got to
say is man, when I first thought about reaching out to you from Simon,
Simon told me, you know, reach out to Vic, I'll say,
Oh, I just fought like you wanted to make a quick book.
I'm sorry for saying this. Well, I thought you were just you wanted
to like said to me, Michael, just call on me show, you
know, and it's like you'll make you'll get some publicity of this. Well,
it wasn't like that at all. You spoke to me, and you
said to me, we don't have to record this. You know, I
was happy enough to just talk to you. We've been recorded, and you
just wanted to help. You didn't want to make a quick book off me.
You didn't want to do anything like that. You just said, let's
talk, Michael, Let's talk, and I'll forever be appreciative of what you
said to me, of what we talked about that night. You'll before I
came on the show, It's like, yeah, actual's Thick. Now,
It's like you never wanted to take advantage of anything like that. You were
just there to give a sympathetic here to me. I'm so glad you understand
that now. Having said that, Michael, thanks again so much for your
time. Like I said, please remember, if you ever need my help
in the future, please do let me know, because if that's the case,
I'll be glad to help. However, I can thank you very much,
Thick. I appreciate you and everything you do. Well. You know
you're welcome. Thanks again so much, and have a great night.