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audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
What was the reason for that? It's

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just to bring in a bathroom.
Yeah, I don't know why we brought

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her back into the bathroom. I
guess we didn't want to bring her into

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the bedroom. And then yeah,
and then Johnny slit her throat too.

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Hello and welcome. This is season
two, episode two sixty eight of Sword

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and Scale, a show that reveals
that the worst monsters are real. And

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well, we have a new episode
of Sword and Scale television in case you

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haven't seen it. It's episode four, the story of a Blood Cell,

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and it really does prove that if
you are a woman, my heart goes

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out to you because men suck.
About nine miles north of the city I

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used to live in, Atlanta,
Georgia is the small county of Gwinnette.

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Within that county, there is an
even smaller city named Sawane. Swanee is

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a progressive place with a rapidly increasing
population, and it is currently ranked by

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CNN as number ten on their list
of one hundred best places to live in

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America. With a low cost of
living, a low crime rate and a

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fairly decent public education system. Sawani
is pretty much as ideal as it gets

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for the typical middle class family.
In twenty seventeen, there was a small

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family living in Sewanee. They were
the Spencers. On April eighth, the

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mom of the household, Linda Spencer, was at home with her fourteen year

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old daughter that night at around nine
thirty pm. Linda's daughter was in the

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kitchen baking a cake when she heard
someone knocking at the front door. It

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was like, I'm gonna say,
like nine forty five something like that last

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night because my son wasn't off of
work yet, between I guess nine thirty

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nine and forty five. Then he
knocked at the door and my daughter answered

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it. She that had a top
lot, so she thought it was her

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brother, so she went to unlock
it and lived to the people, I

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was Johnny. So she opened the
door and he walked in, and I

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don't think he had any shoes on, but he had like a basketball and

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a towel on his neck. The
young man at the door was nineteen year

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old Johnny Ryder. Both Linda and
her daughter knew Johnny. He was friends

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with Linda's son When Johnny entered their
apartment, it was obvious that he was

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having a very rough night. Johnny
was shirtless, his eyes were beat red,

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and his nose was caked with dry
blood. Also, Johnny wasn't alone

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with him was a girl that looked
to be about Johnny's age, and what

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do you know about her, whom
never seen before. Johnny and his presumed

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girlfriend were distraught and had obviously just
been through some sort of tragic and possibly

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violent ordeal. So Linda asked Johnny, what happened? You know, upset?

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And I said and asked, what's
wrong? He said, he got

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to a fight with his mom and
she pepper freed him and kicked him out

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of the house. And I talked
to him for a few minutes, and

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I gave him hug because he was
crying. He was really upset last night,

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so I didn't ask him too much
about it. I figure he'd talked

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with my son about it when he
got mom. Linda didn't get many answers

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out of Johnny other than he'd gotten
into a fight with his mom, who

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apparently pepper sprayed him and threw him
out of the house. Linda's teenage daughter,

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who was with Johnny witnessed what had
happened. All he said was,

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hey, you know he was crying. He's like my mom, kepper surved

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me of the house. I like
hit something and I he pushes all the

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way out out of the house.
And I guess I'm figuring Cassandra's there because

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she said that I got some of
the pepper spray. Oh, guessing she

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was there too. Linda's daughter also
learned the name of the girl who was

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with Johnny. She was seventeen year
old Cassandra Fyork. Now, how do

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you know? So they've known each
other since I think middle school. I

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think it was yeah, he's friend, and then we just met Cassandra last

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night. He asked for to come
in. So I don't know who she

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is Cassandra or Cassandra Bjorg or Casey. She was known met Johnny through a

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mutual friend, and the couple had
only been dating for a short time.

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So when did you and Johnny kind
of start dating? When it was around

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the time? We remember the last
time I saw him, it was about

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I don't think a month ago,
so it was I was around then,

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was it? One question by police, Casey explained what she witnessed happened between

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Johnny and his mother, and like
his mom was started tripping out on this

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thought we were intruders or whatever something
like she's certainly yelling at Johnny and like

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going crazy. And then all of
a suddenly there was like pepper stray everywhere,

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like like she's certainly pepper straying us, really is mom? Yeah?

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Yeah, Like you know, she
was just like pepper spraying us, and

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you know, like our eyes were
burning and like we were trying to sleep

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to get away. After the fighting
and pepper spraying ended, Johnny and Cassie

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went to the only place that Johnny
could think of to go. They went

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to Linda Spencer's apartment. Johnny was
friends with Linda's son, Jacob, and

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he was hoping to find Jacob there. Jacob was at work at the time

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and the only people home were Linda
and her young daughter. Still, Linda

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took Johnny and Cassie in and allowed
them to spend the night. Then the

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next morning, something unexpected happened.
When this sort of mad announcement was in

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my room better friendly to my daughter. I thought it was a joke because

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I knew that they were having coffee
before I went into my bedroom. It's

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I thought, I don't know they
was somebody with like a megaphone or something.

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So I called my son. I'm
thinking, and what the hell are

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you doing? And then I looked
outside the lines and I'm like, what

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the hell is going on? Because
I saw the vand with somebody up on

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top. I mean, when I
saw a swat team with a van and

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somebody, I was like, fuck. This was a police swat team stationed

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themselves outside Linda's apartment, and through
a megaphone, a SWAT officer ordered everyone

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in Linda's apartment to come outside.
When this happened, Linda's daughter went into

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her brother's bedroom, where she found
Johnny and Cassie. First of all,

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just gonna tell me what what happened
this morning. I know you said you

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were asleep and everything, but I
care what going on. I just woke

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up and then all we heard was
the sirens. Okay, you're freaking out.

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And then we were like, what's
going on? And I'm like,

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he's got sky go outside. So
they said, oh yeah, my brother

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and her mom just go outside.
Yeah. Then I went to my brother's

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room where they both were. Who
was there? Johnny and Cassandra who they're

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there, and I was saying,
I'm scared he was hugging this in It's

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okay. Linda, her daughter,
and her son promptly followed the instructions of

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the swat team. They went outside, where they were detained and questioned.

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Meanwhile, Johnny and Cassie remained in
the apartment and refused to go outside.

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It turned out that most of what
they told the Spencer family were lies.

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Johnny's mom did not pepper spray him
the night before, and she did not

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throw him out of the house.
So you guys come home. You know,

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Johnny was smoking weed in the living
room with his girlfriend. Yeah,

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it was smell. So Mindy was
as first. First as Mindy first entered

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the house was did you smoke inside
the house? Moms coming in ten minutes.

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And then we walked into Mindy's room
and as soon as we entered the

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room, everything was just slipped.
Everything like even her friends watch was gone,

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half of her clothes were gone,
and all her suffered was flipped,

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like all the boxes private personal suffer
flipped. So we were really mad.

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Man. We knew Johnny did it, so we were asking him did do

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it? And he was kick lying, so I was like, oh,

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it's okay, shut room. You
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On the evening of April eighth,
twenty seventeen, twenty year old Mindy

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Writer and her boyfriend went out to
dinner together and later arrived at Mindy's house.

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When they walked outside, they saw
Mindy's younger brother, Johnny, and

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his girlfriend Cassie on the living room
couch. The house reeked of marijuana.

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This was concerning because Mindy's mom was
expected home at any minute. Eventually,

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Mindy made her way to her bedroom. Once there, she found out that

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she'd been sacked, and she suspected
that her brother was the culprit behind said

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ran sacking. When Mindy and her
boyfriend confronted Johnny, they threatened to call

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the police. At that point,
all hell broke close, and I told

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my brother, I know you did
this. You guys, you and your

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girlfriend are the only ones I've been
home, like, just own up to

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like, just own up to it
and tell me I won't call the cops

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or anything. And at the time
he was on the phone with my mom

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and he was like, so if
you don't, if I own up to

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it, you won't call the cops, and I said yes. So when

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he hung up and I hung up
on the police, I already died on

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nine one one. And then all
of a sudden, he goes out and

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comes back in and just phrase us
straight in our faces and starts hitting us

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and tells his girlfriend to go grab
the bat. As it's like a few

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seconds later, I started getting bear
straight. It was at bear straight.

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It wasn't even Pepper straight. So
I start getting for good ten seconds.

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I wasn't in the room but that
gas stub room. For a whole time,

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I had to fight for my life
and Mindy. They also tried to

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kill us. Johnny was holding my
head. He was telling her to small

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cool patling pace, and she brought
that. She brought the best. When

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she hit the Mindy's head, her
her head was opened, and I see

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her coming with the bat and the
first thing she has just hit me across

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my back and I try to grab
it from her and she hits me on

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the head. And Kevin and Johnny
are fighting in my room, so I

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chased her out to the living room. Well, who had the bad both

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of the Johnny and the case the
girl, so both of them took turns

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with the bad. Yes, sir, They each had a bad, each

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had a bad We were all bloody. I eventually run to the bathroom and

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I washed my face and I try
to get blood and the pupper spray.

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Johnny and Cassie attacked Mindy and her
boyfriend. They sprayed them with bare repellant

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and attempted to beat them unconscious with
baseball bats. Eventually, Mindy retreated to

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a bathroom where she could still hear
the fight and may him through the bathroom

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door. I hear Kevin buy you
my brother, like Johnny, please don't

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do this. You don't have to
do this. And I went in the

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room and Johnny had Kevin in a
chocoal and my brother's girlfriend was in there

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with the bat, and so I
was able to grab her by her and

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I take the bat away from her, and I started hitting my brother,

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telling him to let go, and
then I handed the bat to Kevin,

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and then Kevin was going to hit
my brother, but my brother caught the

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bat and then we all fought over
the bat and it was me and my

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brother on my sofa, and then
Kevin grabbed a beer bottle and told Johnny

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to stop to just let us go
and we won't do anything. But my

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brother said he will never do that, and so Kevin hit him on the

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top of the head with a beer
bottle and it shattered. We kept fighting

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for the baseball bat and then he
told his girl, so they'll get a

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hammer, like a big steel hammer
like this space we after Johnny had Johnny

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was like, bring a hammer.
He called her to bring a hammer,

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and it on our heads. Essentially, Johnny and Cassie tried to murder Mindy

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and her boyfriend. Thankfully, their
attempt to commit double homicide was unsuccessful.

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But how'd you guys break away from
them? They just left? No,

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I fought to it. So I
thought, if I didn't want to defend

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or defend Indy, we would have
been possibly then okay, so you focked

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them off and then they just left
and her mom came a car leaving a

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car or what happened is missing?
Okay. Eventually Mindy's mom showed up,

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and when she did, Johnny and
Cassie fled. On their way out,

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they snatched Mindy's car keys and stole
her car. According to Mindy, this

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wasn't the first time that her brother, Johnny stole something. Johnny had a

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criminal history and at the time of
the attack, he was on probation.

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What a great system. I'm not
sure she already, but he has previous

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criminal charges and my mom's still pilled
paying his bill right now. Four going

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into vehicles and taking people's things cars. After fleeing the scene and stealing Mindy's

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car, Johnny and Cassie drove to
Linda Spencer's apartment again. Johnny was friends

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with Linda's son and he was hoping
to find her son there. Linda's son

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was at work at the time,
but he did eventually come home and speak

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to Johnny. I was at work, so I didn't get here to attend,

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so I didn't see. What's your
ma say? Why do you?

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Who do you show up with Cassandra
or Cassie whatever he is? Have you

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met her before? You know?
No, I've only I only saw her

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at high school. I never talked
to her anything. So he showed up

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with Cassie. What did he say? Why was just show up? He

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said that well, he got pepper
sprayed by his mom, and he told

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me that he was just talking to
her and that she got she's pepper sprayed

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in the face, and then she
kicked him out and then came over here

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nowhere to go hitting me on do
you really think as mob Pepper sprayed him.

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Johnny and Cassie lied to the Spencer
family about what happened, and Linda

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Spencer agreed to let them spend the
night at her home. The next morning,

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a swat team came looking for them
both. Watch'll who you let stay

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in your home people, especially if
they show up shirtless and bloody in the

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middle of the night. When the
cops showed up, what did Johnny wondered?

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How did Johnny act? Well,
we didn't know who they were calling

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for because we couldn't hear. And
then I said, Johnny, there for

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you. He's like, He's like
okay, and he just kind of sat

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He's kind of sat there and was
talking to Cassandra. He was saying,

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I'm not going back to jail.
And I was like, Johnny, you

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have to out there. I told
him that you can't do that us.

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The Spencer family left their home and
were promptly questioned by police. Meanwhile,

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Johnny and Cassie remained inside the Spencer
apartment. I like to know what makes

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this guy click or something obviously snapped, and I don't know, I want

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to say, because he also beat
the ship out of his sister and his

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sister's boyfriend with a baseball bat.
She had I guess seven staples in the

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head. Uh, there's a welt
on her back. The boyfriend got his

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tooth chipped out. Cindy yep,
so something something trigger, something triggered him.

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So he's a very he's a very
angry person. The attack on Mindy

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and her boyfriend was brutal, and
as the police continued investigating, they came

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to find that this attack didn't just
happen out of the blue because of an

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argument about a messy bedroom. This
attack was planned. Johnny fully intended to

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murder his sister and her boyfriend.
I really think they planned this before.

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Kyle blamed that because I told him
my mom's ten minutes away, and they

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seemed kind of shocked, and then
they seemed really calm, and then they

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sprayed us and tried to knock us
out. Thankfully, Johnny was unsuccessful in

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his attempt to kill Mindy and her
boyfriend. The young couple was able to

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defend themselves. Unfortunately, this wasn't
Johnny's first attempt at double homicide, and

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his earlier victims weren't as lucky.
A few days before Johnny attempted to kill

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his own sister, he violently attacked
an unsuspecting married couple as they slept and

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brutally murdered them with a tire iron
and a butcher knife. In April of

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twenty seventeen, twenty year old Mindy
Rider and her boyfriend were brutally attacked inside

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their home. They were sprayed with
bear repellent and beaten with baseball bats.

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Thankfully, the attack ended before either
of them lost their lives. The culprits

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behind the violence were Mindy's younger brother, nineteen year old Johnny Ryder, and

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his girlfriend, Cassie bjorg. Seventeen
year old Cassie lived in Gwinnette County,

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Georgia. When Cassie was about fifteen
or sixteen, she moved out of her

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mom's house to live with her grand
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According to their neighbors, this move
that Cassie made was done out of necessity

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and I never really asked Wendy any
questions about it, Like, I just

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let her tell me what she wanted
to talk about yeah, I guess,

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and Randolph found out that Cassie was
being sexually abused by her father or her

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stepdad, so you know, they
filed for emergency custody because Amanda, her

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Wendy and Randall's daughter, wasn't doing
anything. Late. Allegedly, Cassie had

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been sexually assaulted by her stepfather and
Cassie's mom hadn't done anything to stop the

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abuse. So Cassie's grandparents took Cassie
in and despite their best efforts to help,

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things didn't go well. Cassie was
unruly and the very definition of a

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troubled teenager. Who could blame her? Say again, it sounds like there

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was a history of something like that. She was in and out all the

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time running away. Last time she
ran away she was gone for months,

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okay, and she had been in
and out since then. The problem is

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that Cassie was having went beyond instances
of her running away from home. Cassie

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was also extremely violent towards her grandparents. I mean, the calls had been

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called out to her house and a
bunch of times, and like she was

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on probation during this time for hitting
her grandma. So it was the one

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instance where she bought her grandmother.
What did Cassie say happen? She said

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that they got to an argument Wendy
bidder and then she hit her back to

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defend herself where she I mean,
she went Wenny's ass when it was pretty

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bad. Wendy had showed me all
the bruises, and she did bought Cassie,

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but she bought her because Cassie was
checking her out. Cassie literally had

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her own around her neck like this, and Wendy squeezed her shin down the

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bit of like you. Cassie dropped
out to school and was put on probation

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in February. They say long term
behavioral issues led to her grandparents taking custody.

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The family tried to remove her from
a bad crowd and dilute to stability

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with her grandparents in Lawrenceville, but
there were at least thirteen calls to police

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and assault charges for striking a grandparent. One question, Cassie freely admitted that

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her relationship with her grandparents wasn't good
and that she did assault them on multiple

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occasions, though from her teenage perspective, she felt justified in doing so.

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I wasn't having a good relationship with
my grandparents, like it just it started

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getting really bad, you know,
like that I got a charge from him

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because you know, like I thought
them, you know, I might have

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broken like my grandpa's grips when you
know, for that charge for simple assault

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and simple battery. You know,
they didn't really know what to do.

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They didn't really know how to me
around me. I guess they didn't really

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know how to talk to me.
As a result of Cassie's violence towards her

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grandparents, she was placed on probation
and several attempts were made to make Cassie

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understand that her grandparents were just trying
to help her. Wendy and Randall only

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wanted the best for Cassie. And
then my grandma just got really angry with

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me, and she told me that
she was going to kick me out and

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hoe she was going to find somewhere
else for me to stay. So in

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like a couple of days, so
I was like, okay, so I

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just left anyway. And I was
just like, you know, if you

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don't want me that I might as
well just leave now. Oh I knew

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that because knew she called us and
so that you'd run away again, and

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that she was concerned and worried about
you. Your grandmother loves you, right,

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you know how much your grandmother loves
you. In April of twenty seventeen,

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Cassie violated her probation by running away
from home again after yet another argument

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with her grandparents. So I didn't
know what to do. I just going

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in to christ I'm just angry,
and then like, did this happen?

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Well? Tell me about this this? I don't know what is this?

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What happened here? I tried to
kill myself. When Cassie was questioned,

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she had large bandages on both of
her arms because she had recently attempted suicide

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by slitting both of her wrists.
I just wanted to late to end it.

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They just fell like so much,
and so I tried to overdose and

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they tried to slippers. And you
said Johnny was present when you did this?

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Did he try to stop you?
Did he? What did he say?

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Why did he do the same thing? And they brought you here?

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Who found you? It was like
the swat team was looking for me.

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About a week after Cassie ran away
from home, she and her new boyfriend,

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Johnny Ryder attacked Johnny's older sister and
her boyfriend. They spread the couple

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with bear repellent and beat them with
baseball bats, essentially trying to kill them.

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Like all that really happened was me
and Johnny were just chewing on his

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couch and watching TV. And then
you know, his sister, you know,

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comes in the house and I go
to the bathroom, and then you

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know, like I started hearing you
know, fighting and stuff, and so

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you know, I separate myself,
you know, from that situation, and

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then his mom comes home and then
they just started yelling like crazy, and

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then his mom got to pepper spray
and he started pepper spray and I said

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it, We're just like, okay, let's leave. How did the baseball

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bat get introduced into that bat?
She has an injury, we're trying to

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understand, and she got she had
an injury to her head, That's what

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I was told. I don't know
anything about that. I didn't I didn't

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even know there was a baseball.
But she got injured pretty badly. Really

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is she okay, She's gonna be
fine. But she got injured that night

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from an altercation that you and Johnny
had with her her boyfriend who not her

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boyfriend. See that I must have
been Johnny. When questioned about the attack

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on Johnny's sister, Cassie led her
ass off, and she was quickly called

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out for doing so. Cassie,
listen, I'm never lying to you,

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have I I've never misled you,
and I've had to take you some pretty

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bad news in the past, right
I need you to really truly be honest.

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Okay, sweetie, Okay, and
I know you pretty good and I

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don't think you're being completely honest with
me. Eventually, Cassie did admit to

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her part in the attack, so
she claimed that it was all self defense.

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Did you hit him with the bat? Is she coming to you or

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something? You were defending yourself.
I defend myself at me when you hit

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her. Was it that I didn't? I didn't need to, you know,

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she was coming at me. I
didn't know what to do. I

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didn't. I didn't think I did
that much injury. I didn't seem you

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know, her boyfriend broke his teeth, you know. Police investigators slowly got

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Cassie to admit to partial truths about
the attack, but that wasn't the only

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thing that she was questioned about.
The investigators had questions about and even more

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serious crime. I think you know
why I'm here, and you know my

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heart is broken. I just need
to understand why I wasn't the one who

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intentionally thought about it, thought about
doing it. Say it once she say

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it. It's out killing my grandparents
Before attacking Johnny's sister and her boyfriend,

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Cassie and Johnny had a attacked Cassie's
grandparents, who were not able to escape

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the attack. Wendy and Randall Bjorg
were dead, and they hadn't just been

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murdered. Their deaths were unspeakably brutal. Wendy and Randall had been horrifically beaten

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and butchered to death. On April
ninth, twenty seventeen, seventeen year old

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Cassie Bjorg was arrested with her boyfriend, nineteen year old Johnny Ryder, for

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brutally attacking Johnny's older sister and her
boyfriend, though Georgia investigators suspected that Cassie

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and Johnny had more than just two
victims. On the day before they were

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arrested, Gwinnett County Police conducted a
welfare check on the home of Cassie's grandparents,

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Wendy and Randall Bjorg. When police
got no response, they forced their

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way inside and discovered the bloody aftermath
of a very violent and brutal double murder.

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Wendy and Randall were dead. When
Cassie was questioned about her grandparents' deaths,

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she explained how her plot to kill
them developed, and before he did

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that, did you and Johnny meet
up somewhere in a park or something?

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Then talk about park? He first
asked me, are you afraid to die?

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And I said no. He was
just talking about how we could like

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run away together, you know,
I kind of like dream and he asked

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me, he was like, we
could kill your grandparents. And I kind

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of like hesitated for a minute,
and I was like why, and he

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was just like, I don't know. I mean, because he knows probably

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everything that I've been through with all
of my family. When you guys met

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at the park, did he did
he ever go over the actual plan on

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how you guys would do it or
anything like that or what was that?

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Uh? Well, I mean we
were just trying to figure out how to

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get money. Cassie and Johnny decided
that they were going to rob and murder

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Cassie's grandparents on a night in early
April. They arrived at their home to

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do exactly that. So we decided
to go around like midnight or one thirty,

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because my grandma normally went to sleep
around like eleven thirty twelve. We

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decided, like you know, we
made park down the road. Cassie and

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Johnny snuck through Wendy and Randall's backyard
and entered the home through a back door.

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Since Cassie lived there, she had
a key, so getting inside was

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not a problems. We went upstairs. We needed a little We didn't immediately

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go upstairs like. We went to
the stairs and we were like just listening,

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just hearing what was going on.
We got everything was good, and

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then we went upstairs and did you
guys have anything in your hands or he

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just had car tools. It was
a tire iron. He brought a black

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book bag that dug tape in it
with a tire iron and duct tape at

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the ready. Cassie and Johnny reached
the grandparents' bedrooms. At this stage in

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their life and marriage, the couple
did not sleep in the same room,

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so Cassie and Johnny split up.
He goes into my Grandpa's room and then

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I go into my grandma's room.
Do you hear kind of what's going on

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over there? And does that kind
of cute you off to with your grandmother

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there? Yeah, he's he started
going at it, and then you know,

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I could hear my grandpa just yelling, you know, them fighting,

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and then I started eating the rush
and then you know, like that's when

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I started hitting my grandma in the
head. After hearing their grandfather's screams,

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Cassie approached her sleeping grandmother and began
beating her over the head with a tire

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iron. I like hit her really
hard on the back of the head,

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and then she started like screaming and
stuff and that the head. Yeah,

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that's where I magally hit her in
the head. So I started hitting my

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grand law and I already had duct
tape, and then you know, Johnny's

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doing his thing, and you know, I stopped hearing Johnny doing whatever,

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and so he comes in the room
listening and my grandma, and you know,

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he helps me like tie up my
grandma with the duve tape. How

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you tie how did you do?
That's just her hands or your hands?

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I got her whole head and then
I got her ankles and then I dragged

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her into my grandpa's room, and
the Johnny asked me to go get some

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knives. So I got some knives
from downstairs in the kitchen and I got

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three big butcher knives. And then
that's when you started like stabbing my grandpa.

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And then when when Johnny's uh,
stabbing your grandfather, is it mainly

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in the torso or yeah, he
just I don't know why he did that,

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but he just kept going how many
times? More than two? More

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five? More than five? More
than five? Well wrapped in duct tape

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after being viciously beaten, Wendy Bjorg
watched in horror as the man who had

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just been her husband for over forty
years was brutally stabbed and sliced to death.

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Yeah. I mean, like she
kept saying, like, I'll give

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you money, I'll give you my
keys, you know, I'll give you

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anything you want. You know,
I went in the closet because that's where

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they kept the safe, So you
know, I go in there. You

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know, I'm checking out all the
stuff, and I grabbed the book bag

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and I just start stuffed in the
book bag with everything, you know,

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Like there was envelopes just filled with
money. There was probably about like one

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thousand dollars that we found in that
safe. So after that, he slips

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my grandpa's throat and then we dragged
my grandma into the bathroom. After the

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safe was looted, Wendy was brought
into her bathroom, where her life also

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came to a horrific and brutal end. I actually hit her in the back

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of the head with the tire right
well not the back of the head,

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but like right where your spine is, because he was telling me, he

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was like, if you hit right
there, like just one like a hit,

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just knock the person out and then
they'll be dead. And she was

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like pretending to be dead for a
while. Like I would, you know,

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check up on her, and I
would see that she was still breathing,

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and I'll be like, Johnny,
she's still alive. What the heck?

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And then like Johnny finally like like
made the like last blow and then

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yeah, and then Johnny slit her
throat too, and she It was was

409
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:34,199
kind of creepy because she was like
scared to die, like she she shittered

410
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:40,119
herself. It was kind of cross. All the looting and murder that Johnny

411
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:45,280
and Cassie had done left them kind
of hungry, So when they were done,

412
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,760
they decided to grab a bite to
eat. When you guys love more,

413
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,599
you guys go to We went over
to like Kroger or public to girl

414
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,400
get something to eat, and then
we went back to the house. So

415
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,800
it just kind of like chilled there. Did you guys kind of just stay

416
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,239
in the house then, or yeah, it was kind of both and you're

417
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,360
kind of like in and out of
the house for a couple of days.

418
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,840
It was just me and him.
Did you guys ever chill with anyone during

419
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,159
that week at all? Or yeah, yeah, child, we show up

420
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,199
with some of his friends. When
my friends and you know, we would

421
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,039
just go meet up with them.
We would never have anyone come over to

422
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,000
the house. We were just like, that's that's a no. That's a

423
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:30,800
big no no. Johnny and Cassie
stayed in Wendy's and Randall's home for days

424
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:37,920
after the murders. They slept downstairs
while the corpses of their victims remained upstairs.

425
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,920
They didn't even have the common decency
to clean up after themselves. Gussie

426
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,519
claimed that she and Johnny were the
only two people in the house during that

427
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:51,719
time, but that was a lie. Yes, I was inside the house

428
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,639
while they were dead. I didn't
know that they were done. That's the

429
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:58,760
main things. I don't know when
exactly it was, but they had been

430
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,079
inside the house for a while because
you could smell it once you walked inside

431
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:07,480
the house, both walking, and
it smells like shit. Now you're saying

432
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,199
it smells like shit? What is
it? I didn't think anything of it,

433
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,639
because I did, and Johnny said
that it was just because he hadn't

434
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,440
flush the toilet. I didn't really
think much of us because the entire house

435
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,320
was trash, like. They had
so much Chinese food on the floor that

436
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,639
the black cat was eating and all
this stuff. The cops knew Cassie lied

437
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,880
to them because one of Cassie's friends
recorded a short video with their cell phone

438
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:38,719
while they were inside the house.
After the video was revealed to Cassie,

439
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:45,039
she had no choice but to admit
to inviting friends over. Now. I

440
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:50,199
have trouble inviting friends over, even
really close friends, if the guest room

441
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,760
hasn't been cleaned up in a while. So to have corpses upstairs and invite

442
00:36:54,760 --> 00:37:00,880
people over that goes beyond my level
of understanding. For a day, I'm

443
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,000
just asking for in. Seven days
after you guys killed your grandparents, Sunshine

444
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,159
and Alex were at your house.
Yes, what did you guys do?

445
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:16,719
You may have noticed that throughout her
confession, Cassie showed no emotion. She

446
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:23,119
was cold and didn't shed one tear
for her grandparents, not one. Yet,

447
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:30,039
when she was called out for her
lying, something bizarre happened. Cassie

448
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:35,360
weirdly showed emotion. You literally have
showed no emotion towards your grandparents. And

449
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,360
I don't have a problem, like
I don't know the life that you were

450
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,119
having, But why are you showing
emotion with when I brought up Sunshine?

451
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,440
What the hell is this chick?
You know what I'm saying. She's just

452
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:55,159
a close friend. It only seems
that you're sorry you got caught that you

453
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,559
head people over after. You don't
seem to be sorry that you killed your

454
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:06,920
grandparents. I am. I'm just
letting you know. I'm just letting you

455
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,039
know. A few days after Wendy
and Randall were dead, Johnny and Cassie

456
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,679
decided that they were going to commit
more murder. They hadn't had enough.

457
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:21,920
They wanted some more, so this
time they set their sights on members of

458
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,199
Johnny's family, because how close you
commit murder to your own home is a

459
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,480
direct correlation of your level of stupidity. In fact, any kind of crime

460
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,760
looting for example, if you loot
in your own neighborhood, you're a fucking

461
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,480
idiot. The plan was that we
were both going to get both of our

462
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,719
families, but first we got my
grandparents. And then's why we went over

463
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:52,480
to Johnny's house and we attacked his
sister and her boyfriend because we were he

464
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,039
wanted to kill his family. Okay, so that's late. We stayed in

465
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,280
town for a couple of days because
you know, we wanted to get some

466
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,119
money, wanted to get ready to
leave, and then that plan just going

467
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:06,840
over to his house kind of just
like it didn't work out at all.

468
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:13,239
It just went it went downhill from
there. Johnny and Cassie went to Johnny's

469
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,000
mom's house. Once there, they
trashed the place looking for money. Then

470
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,920
when his sister and her boyfriend arrived
at the house, Cassie and Johnny attacked

471
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,400
them with bear spray and baseball bats. We had a bear repellet that we

472
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:34,039
bought from Bass Pro Shop. What
was that for? For the just to

473
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,079
like get them away or to like
kind of like knock them out. That

474
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,000
stuff is strong, like yeah,
this stuff, Oh my gosh, it

475
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,000
was so crazy, like it was
just all rush, like it was just

476
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,400
the spray was going everywhere, and
it was like like your eyes were burning,

477
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,239
like your body was burning. It
was so painful. And who did

478
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,239
you guys spray? Who got sprayed
with that? H? When did Johnny's

479
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:06,360
sister and her boyfriend? Johnny and
Cassie didn't anticipate that when you use bear

480
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:12,000
repellent in a confined space like a
house, everyone in the space is going

481
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,800
to feel the effects. You want
to know why they didn't assume that.

482
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:23,880
That's because they were fucking stupid.
Criminals are usually fucking stupid. In short,

483
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:30,039
their plan to commit another double murder
didn't really go as planned. Johnny's

484
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:35,039
sister and her boyfriend were able to
fight off the attack, and when Johnny's

485
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,480
mom came home, Cassie and Johnny
fled. They stole his sister's car and

486
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:45,760
drove away in a panic. The
next day, the SWAT team arrested them,

487
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,639
but not before both Johnny and Cassie
tried and failed to commit suicide by

488
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:57,000
slitting their wrists. Of course,
this is something they would also fail at.

489
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,440
And as for the incident that happened
with Johnny's place, you're charged with

490
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,920
two content assault and obviously with your
grandparents, now you're being in charge of

491
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,000
malus murder for your grandmother and then
malos murder for your grandfather. After Cassie

492
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,360
confessed, there wasn't much left to
do but Charter and Johnny with a slew

493
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,719
of crimes. Of course, there
were some non legal and important questions worth

494
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:31,400
asking, like I don't know why? Why? Why? Why would you

495
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:38,760
do this? Why? How could
these teenage morons be so vicious and cold

496
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:44,360
blooded towards their own families, their
own flesh and blood, the people that

497
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:49,639
gave them life. What could have
possibly happened in their lives to lead them

498
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,239
down to this very, very low
point. As far as Johnny is concerned,

499
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
we really don't have a lot of
answers. He may just be a

500
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,119
moron and that's it. There's lots
of those in this country. Unfortunately,

501
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,639
it seems that nobody who knew Johnny
even saw this coming. But people close

502
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:15,840
to a killer rarely admit that they
do, because then a bunch of other

503
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,599
questions need to be asked and hey, you know who wants that kind of

504
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,280
responsibility. Well, I don't know
what he was going through Johnny's mind,

505
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,119
because, like I'm at him a
couple of times, and like a lot

506
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:27,880
of people didn't know him, and
he didn't see him like the type to

507
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,960
like killing you, and he just
wanted to keep buying like he was really

508
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:37,800
nice. The investigators, trying to
make sense of things, did sit down

509
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,639
and speak with Johnny, though their
conversation was brief and didn't dive too deeply

510
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,599
into his thought process about killing people. Where'd you go to high school?

511
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,400
Did you graduate from there? Doing
college? Then? I didn't do the

512
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:07,440
act of college. How do you
mean Cassie, how does she come in

513
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:17,559
this? Did she go to schooler? Or did you just a girl?

514
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,159
What do you mean trippy? Just
a lot of spirit or spirits? You

515
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:32,800
know that Johnny seemed like a normal
teenager. He had some misdemeanor charges for

516
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,639
theft, but otherwise he came off
like a typical kid. After a few

517
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:43,039
minutes of being questioned by detectives,
Johnny asked for a lawyer, which shut

518
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,199
down his interview. Are you okay
talk with us right now? Without a

519
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:55,639
number. I was just mm hm, I don't really feel comfortable. From

520
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:00,559
Cassie's perspective, it seemed like Johnny
was in a similar but as her.

521
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:06,360
According to Cassie, Johnny felt that
he was being disrespected by his mom.

522
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:13,039
The way I saw their relationship was
his mom, you know, would get

523
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,159
out of him a lot, saying, you know, like you're not doing

524
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,360
anything with your life and blah blah
blah. When he had, like he

525
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:22,119
just got out of jail, he
had two jobs, he was back in

526
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:24,440
school. He you know, he
was, you know, getting and shit

527
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:28,199
together, and then you know,
his mom kept saying, you know,

528
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,039
like you're just worthless, you know, you're not doing anything. On top

529
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:36,239
of the issues that Johnny was having
with his mother, he may have also

530
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,800
been dealing with some serious mental issues, though the things that indicated mental illness

531
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,320
might have been an act. At
one point, Johnny left his mom a

532
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,480
very haunting voicemail, and it's hard
to tell if this message is genuine or

533
00:44:50,480 --> 00:45:08,880
if it's just theatrics. It's true, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm

534
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:30,400
sorry to speak. As far as
Cassie is concerned, she too had issues

535
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:36,719
with the adults in her life.
Specifically her grandparents, though it seems like

536
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,679
she had no legitimate reason to dislike
them. After Wendy and Randall borg gained

537
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,760
custody of Cassie, all they did
was show her the kind of love and

538
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,480
care that any teenager would be lucky
to have. They got custody of her,

539
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,480
and then right after that happened their
surprise relaters in Disney World, and

540
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,599
then last last summer they went.
Yeah, they went to China for her

541
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:08,800
for judo stuff. Wendy and Randall
took Cassie on special vacations. They enrolled

542
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,320
her in school and encouraged her interests. Cassie liked martial arts, so her

543
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,159
grandparents paid for her to have martial
arts classes. Cassie even attended a final

544
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,559
judo class a day or so after
she killed her grandparents. By all accounts,

545
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:31,599
is Cassie's caretakers, Wendy and Randall
went above and beyond just looking and

546
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:36,239
talking to their grandparents, friends and
all that. It seemed like they really

547
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,039
cared about her and they took such
a care like she had it, like

548
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,559
she's honestly, like I don't know
why she was after I mean, like

549
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,719
I did love Cassie this person like
she honestly was like a really selfish person

550
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,760
hearing about herself, did all of
a sudden just snap or like That's what

551
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,039
I'm kind of looking for is were
what was a snapping point? Because I've

552
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:59,079
actually talked to some people back in
the day who says she was a sweet

553
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,280
girl and no problems. She had
a really fun side, but when she

554
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:09,559
didn't get her way. The anger
issues were that Cassie had anger issues.

555
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:16,320
That much is clear. She violently
attacked her grandparents on multiple occasions. But

556
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,320
Cassie was also self centered and narcissistic. She wanted things to be her way

557
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,639
and didn't care who she had to
hurt to get what she wanted. But

558
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,400
I think that it was building up. I don't think it was anything where

559
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,159
she snapped, because when I talked
to her on the walk that her and

560
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,599
I wa on, I'm like,
so, what's your deal? I mean,

561
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,679
you know that your grandparents love you, like they're doing everything they can

562
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:45,320
to get customs. What's the world
called? She just said that she was

563
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,519
tired of being her parents instead of
her grandparents. She said, I'm tired

564
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,880
of them always told me what to
do. She said, before you know

565
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,480
it was always fun and she's like, now they're always up my ass and

566
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,119
I'm like, when you realize,
like you just do what they're asking me

567
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,679
to do. She didn't think,
she said, I cross you. I

568
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,239
said, you don't give a fuck, meaning like what you and I were

569
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:15,360
talking about, what like narrow that
down for me. She's like, I

570
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,639
don't give the fun of that.
And she's like, I just want to

571
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:22,960
slow do what I want to do
and I don't want anybody up my ass

572
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:27,440
about it. I'm like, so
do a job and move out. Allegedly,

573
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Cassie was sexually abused by her stepfather, which is why she was living

574
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,719
with their grandparents in the first place. If these sexual abuse allegations are true,

575
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,960
that's certainly a terrible trauma that Cassie
had to endure. It shouldn't be

576
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:49,039
ignored, and it may have been
what tipped the scale in her life.

577
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:55,639
However, many teenagers have unfortunately been
victimized in this sort of way, and

578
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:02,519
that experience does not drive them to
commit murder, not excuse any further bad

579
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:07,440
actions by that person. You don't
get a free pass just because you were

580
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:14,920
abused. It seems that fundamentally,
Cassie was just a selfish and heartless brat

581
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:20,000
who couldn't see or didn't care to
see that her grandparents only wanted to help

582
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,880
her. I mean, do you
feel bad about what happened? Do you

583
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,199
think she deserves what happened or what? You know, how are you feeling

584
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,559
right now? I'm not in your
shoes my grandparents? Yeah, I mean

585
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:32,480
I was pretty kissed at her for
you know, the couple times that you

586
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,039
know, like she would call the
cops on me for you know, no

587
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,679
reason. Sometimes you're like they kind
of just like really messed up everything,

588
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,599
you know, like I had to
be home at a certain time, and

589
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:47,280
I couldn't feel as much stuff as
I, you know, used to do.

590
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:51,599
You know, they really made me
angry with you. You know,

591
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,840
I used to just be able to
do whatever. Just like a lot of

592
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,639
the stuff that she would say would
be really offensive. I just wanted to

593
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:06,320
get away from all of that,
you know, Like I was so tired

594
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,440
of dealing with my family. I
don't know, I just saw, was

595
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:15,960
your mom ever part of the plan? Oh? Killing him? I wanted

596
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:21,679
to. Seventeen year old Cassie did
not like having a curfew. She didn't

597
00:50:21,679 --> 00:50:25,360
like to be told what to do. Nobody does. After all, she

598
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,360
was offended by the guidelines of her
probation and the rules were grandparents set in

599
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:37,360
place the rules that were there for
her own well being. So Cassie brutally

600
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,960
murdered her grandparents. That was her
solution. She and her boyfriend used to

601
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:47,159
tire iron and kitchen knives to beat
and butcher Wendy and Randall Bjorg to death.

602
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:52,119
Well, I mean, unfortunately,
I believe you're kind of born with

603
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:54,559
it. I think she's a stray
social past. So I just told her

604
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:58,559
there's nowhere when you don't have any
remorse in that. And I, miss,

605
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:00,920
I think you're kind of born with
that gene. Something makes it come

606
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,800
out in you and snap, and
you know, Unfortunately, I think there's

607
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:12,400
like four percent of people in that
country are social past. So after Cassie

608
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,840
and Johnny were arrested, the court
proceedings played out as expected. Cassie and

609
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,239
Johnny had no legitimate defense for their
actions, so the best they could hope

610
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:27,280
for was a deal from prosecutors,
which they eventually got. Tonight, a

611
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,199
lot of you reacting pretty strongly on
our Facebook page after two teenagers were sentenced

612
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:36,760
to life in prison with the chance
of parole after pleading guilty to murdering two

613
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,639
grandparents. Cassee bi old Guy and
Johnny Ryder won't be eligible for parole for

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at least sixty years. The two
of them will be almost eighty years old

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by then. Johnny and Cassie will
likely never see the outside of a prison

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facility again. I guess you can
call that justice, but it's certainly a

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small consolation for the people who knew
and loved Wendy and Randall. This couple

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was sixty three years old when they
were killed. Sixty three imagine living on

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earth for sixty three years only to
be killed by your own granddaughter. And

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at that time, they were more
than just Cassie's caretakers. They were genuinely

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good people who had a lot of
close friends. A quick read of the

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countless heartfelt comments left on their online
obituaries makes it pretty clear that Wendy and

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Randall were kind, giving and willing
to help just about anyone in need.

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At the same time, anybody could
bring her door, well, she didn't

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open her door for anybody like she
was just the sweetest lady. After Cassie

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moved in with her grandparents and began
assaulting them. Wendy Biorg quickly recognized the

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risk she was taking, but that
didn't stop her. Wendy's heart was too

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big. Her hating you, and
now she's sitting Randall like it's just getting

629
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more and more aggressive. You're not
going thron She's like you, she said,

630
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as a friend, what the hell
do you say? So she knew?

631
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I think she just loved her during
conditionally. She didn't want to feel

632
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like she turned a rack on her
like everybody off that. Hey, I

633
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,559
believe I love someone too much too. Cassie's grandparents loved her, and that

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love was unconditional. In fact,
if we were somehow able to communicate with

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the dead despite what Cassie did to
them, Wendy and Randall would probably tell

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us that they still only want the
best for their granddaughter. Sadly, Cassie's

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sociopathic nature will never allow her to
care or even understand what any of that

638
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means. Her little brain is just
incapable. Like the detective said, this

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is a case where two very kind
people loved someone too much. Wendy and

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Randall loved a monster. Tragically that
monster killed them. Well that's gonna do

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it. For another one. Why
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646
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decide to ignore our instructions and do whatever

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you want, well, then expect
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648
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just fucking cracked the fucking Oh my
god, I just cracked this fucking case.

649
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Not to who the why, but
it's the Jack the ripper. You

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need to get a hold of me, and there's one hundred percent fuck true.

651
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I'm not fucking with you. We
call me at three or three a

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three four late, and don't drop
the ballmb this ship. I'm not fucking

653
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playing, and don't drop the bomb
this ship. I'm not fucking playing.

654
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But I'm not fucking playing. But
I'm not fucking playing. I'm fucking playing.

655
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I'm fucking playing that I'm fucking playing. I'm playing. I just fucking

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cracked. Oh my god, you
need to get a hold of me.

657
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Three or three A three four two
one one night. I just fucking cracked.

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Oh my god, you need to
get a hold of me. Three

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or three A three four two one
one night. Three or three A three

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