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What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to another live edition of Clips

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and Dip. We've been doing a
whole mess of these lately because there's been

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a lot of Summer League, and
now we actually have some Clippers news.

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Russell Westbrook has been traded from the
LA Clippers. They're sending Russ and a

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second round pick swap and cash to
the Utah Jazz and a sign and trade

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deal for Chris Dunn. Which this
has been what I don't know, long

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professed law. You know, it's
been seen from a mile away. It

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feels like there's been so many allusions
to this. Uh, but that's what

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happens. You know, Chris Dunn
is going to slot in probably as the

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second Okay, the first couple of
people in the chat are very excited,

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which is good. Also forgive me, I'm gonna be eating a bagel sandwich

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at some point because I'm starving.
We're just gonna do a quick one.

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Adam Ollison's gonna pop in, ay, speak of the devil. There he

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is, Adam Osland joining, WHOA
not the view we need? Adam Osland

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joining seemingly in his funeral. Oh
I thought you were wearing all black person.

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What's up, buddy, I wouldn't
do that to Russ. Stop like

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that some of his stands. Yeah, they're hurting today and obviously the amount

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of incoming that we have taken last
year over Russell Westbrook with just pointing out

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the obvious that James Harden is a
much better player, especially at this point.

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Uh. I'm happy that he's gonna
get an opportunity I guess to go

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to the Denver Nuggets. That's what
the buyout is going to be. He's

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not playing in Utah. Second time
he's been traded as Utah. They bought

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him out two times now. That's
so has that happened as a as a

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person, ever been traded to a
team, bought out, traded, and

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then traded and bought out in like
the two year span, Not that I

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can remember. Russ not as historic
as all the triple doubles, but this

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is something for him. I'm excited
about Chris Dunn. I'm not the fan

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that Doctor shapp is, but I
am. I mean, I'm not either,

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but the advanced stats love Chris Dunn
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he is one of the elite perimeter
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in the league that we've seen over
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he has been really good in that
area. He's not great offensively,

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so he doesn't get the minutes,
but in fifteen to twenty minutes per night

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as a backup guard for your team, that is definitely helpful to this Clippers

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team that we've talked about. They're
revamping in a way where you can see

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and it's not like we didn't see
this coming. The reports have been out

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there for a bit, and there
was a snag with the Chris duntrade.

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Apparently it was Utah Jazzagreen and Russell
Westbrook. But we've been talking about a

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more defensive oriented Clippers group this year
and that seems to be where they're heading

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with bringing back b toom Derek Jones
junior. Again. Guys, the last

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seventy games of last season, the
Clippers were twenty first defensively, so bottom

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nine defensive team for seventy games of
last season. That's not good enough.

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So we do expect them to take
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if they can get around being a
top ten defense this year, and if

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they could stay within being a top
twelve offense, they'll still be very competitive.

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Yeah, I mean, and especially
like this. The Chris Dunn defensive

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stuff really lines up with what the
quotes we've seen. I think Law got

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him from from Derek Jones Junior about
how he's like, I'm here to guard

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the best player every night. It's
exactly what I want to do. We're

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building these guys around Kawhi Leonard,
who's going to have those short spurts of

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very good defense to help him not
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So I'm really excited for the defensive
angle. We're gonna talk more about Summer

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League on tomorrow's pod. But Jordan
Miller's doing some things that are making me

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think he's going to be lower on
the rotation in a good way. But

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I don't know. I hope the
rest era was up and down for the

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Clippers usually is I mean innately in
erratic player with very volatile play, and

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I wasn't saying it jokingly recently,
but he's become almost we'll see what happens

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endeavor, but a zero level score. He's not getting stuff to go at

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the rim anymore. I do suspect
that a lot of that is just mangled

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hands. Over the years, he's
lost his touch there and he was never

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great because he goes so fast downhill. But it's just something where if you're

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not scoring from the outside, if
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rim, if you're struggling in the
mid range, love Russ, love the

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energy, but eight for forty two
the last five games of that series against

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the Dallas Mavericks. He was certainly
a liability on offense, even though defensively,

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especially in the Phoenix series, he
had his moments as a Clipper,

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no doubt. Absolutely. The non
existent take foul that should have been a

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take foul could have changed some things
for sure. The vibe you know on

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court that there was always a pop
from the crowd when Russ checked in,

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which was needed on some nights.
We can't pretend like the Clippers team was

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full of energy twenty four to seven, but hoping for the best in Denver

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unless they're playing the Clippers. But
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it's worth mentioning this is someone that
Paul George campaigned to be on the Clippers

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to bring him in after Lawrence Frank
came out after the trade deadline, said

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this is the type of guard we
were looking for. None of the criteria

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match to Russell Westbrook is. And
then Paul George came out and said,

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basically, go get Russell Westbrook.
He can help this team. Well,

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Paul George is no longer on the
Clippers, so maybe you know that friendship

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there, that connection between those two. When Paul George was gone, Russell

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Westbrook might have wont out even more
looking for a bigger rule. So you

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know, it's just it's a new
phase of Clippers basketball they're entering right now.

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It's gonna be a good time.
Yeah, it's And again this move

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is so funny. It's like that
scene in Austin Powers with the steamroller,

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Like that's what this move has felt
like, where it's just like it there,

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it's gonna be here, We're gonna
get. But now begs the question

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we have so many guards. Someone
was asking about Tyas Jones in the chat,

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like are we based on what Lawrence
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bones Hyland has much of a future
on this team, which is you know,

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disappointing for you know, for the
skeleton keyholders. So something else has

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to be coming or they're just waiting
for the deadline, and we're gonna see

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a bunch of weird rotations which might
go into play. My brother in law

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just texted me all capital letters jazz. He does not like Russell Westbrook either.

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Yeah, I am preparing myself for
Bones Highland to be moved. It

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sounds like like with PJ. Tucker
and with Russell Westbrook when Lawrence was talking

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about those three players, they were
looking for a better landing spot for them

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if the playing time's not going to
be there. With the Clippers, we

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knew it wasn't gonna be there,
or at least the fit wasn't there with

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Russ anymore. We know it's not
really there with PJ. Tucker, even

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though he started Game six in a
must win situation. Uh, Bones Highland

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with Chris Dune on, this team
was still having Norman Powell, was still

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having Terrence Man borderline, he's more
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Usually if tis Jones. And by
the way, that is not something

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from Haynes or Sham Sharania or Adrian
Wojarowski. That was a reporter for what

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hoops Hype who's commenting about the ty
Jones. Yes, so it's not you

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know you're getting Yeah, you're getting
warmer. I like that. Yeah,

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it's not exactly made its way up
to the most credible reporters. No offense

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to this guy, but when they
say something, it's almost written in stone

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that you're good to go. For
the most part, we'll see. I

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talked about him a little bit when
I was doing the live on Sunday after

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the Clipper second Summer League game,
and I love Tias Jones, but you

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mentioned the lol jam there at the
guard position right now for a team that

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I do think within the front office
structurally they want to get back to having

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more wings, if anything, not
so many guards out there. They've done

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a little bit of consolidation with the
guards over the years with no more John

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Wall, no more Reggie Jackson,
no more Luke Nard, but they still

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have a few. Now. Maybe
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bones could work playing next to Chris
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defensively. But then you throw a
Norms to that mix, it doesn't seem

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like that is a second unit unit
that is built for success, and you'd

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be running into three guard situations all
the time, or at least one guy

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just not playing, which is the
situation they're trying to get away from right

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now with Bones Highlands, who was
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opening up a spot if you're able
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like Jordan Miller, who is thriving, who is arguably the best player right

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now in Summer League him or Kobe
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One of these young guys needs minutes
this season. It's yeah, I don't

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We're getting smaller, right like we
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like, oh great, we're kind
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just have all these guards, so
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And I don't want Olive Garden again. I don't want to go back

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to Olive Garden ever, especially at
the moment it looks like Kawhi is stu

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guarding up at the fore position is
where he's going to be starting, just

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like last season. What does that
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I don't know. It didn't seem
like that was necessarily the reason it

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happened last year at the very end
of the season, after he played almost

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seventy games that it was having him
at the four. I don't think it's

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ideal, but oh they just don't
have that option yet. So are they

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still looking for four breaking news from
law Murray. We've been breaking some really

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solid tweets here Chris Done basically out
or Tias Jones basically out. For those

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who believe things that made no sense. Let me also confirm that the Clippers

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were never in on Tias Jones,
and this transaction finally closing for Chris Dunn

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ends all of that. So shout
out law Murray for providing that information which

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helps us. I'm gonna go ahead
and update our outline for somebody else.

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See bows Hyland on that depth chart
there. I don't see PJ. Tucker

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either, so that I mean that
in this literally what we were just saying,

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this makes sense. Tias Jones is
very good. This isn't a knock

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on Tias Jones. But that would
be to put it in norcow speak,

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hella guards to have on the team
if they also traded for Tyas Jones.

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Well maybe it's also I mean,
people were talking about giving up PJ.

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Tucker and norm or Man for him. Maybe it's just I think he's a

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free agent, but if he wants
to go to a certain destination, it

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would likely be in a sign in
the trade via the Washington Wizards would be

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helping him out. I know Michael
Winger works there now as the president of

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basketball Operations, who has helped him
over the past couple of seasons before this

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last one. I don't know if
he's helping out the Clippers so much that

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he's just making PJ. Tucker to
get rid of Tyas Shones, who also

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could be making so much more money. It could put the Clippers into the

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luxury tax. It may just be
unrealistic. Yeah, and the tax thing,

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so the deal for done is supposedly
three years. For seventeen million dollars,

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signing trade deals have to be three
years. It's something that I learned

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from Lucas Hahn or hand from the
internet. So that's interesting. And I

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believe we're still we're over the luxury
tax, but under that first apron still,

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I think just by a little bit. Uh, they're definitely under the

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first apron because they have to be. They're hard capped after using the non

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taxpayer mid level. Except how far
into the luxury tax is a bit of

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a question. I guess because they
were slightly under at least before today.

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How much of a difference does that
make Because Russ was on the books for

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about five million and Chris Dunn three
years seventeen is just under six million per

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year, they might still be under
the luxury tax and not in repeater status.

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Yeah, or there might be a
way at least very a very easy

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path to get there with another move, Yeah, for sure, which we

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have to imagine is shedding salary.
I don't know if they're gonna wave and

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stretch PJ because that contract that's you
know, that's three million and three and

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a half million bucks on the books
for the next three years. But that

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contract could be useful. Again,
I think they're setting up for the deadline.

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I'm not saying they're gonna be sellers
or anything like that, but they're

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trying to find some kind of formidable
cast around the Mac Player after this year.

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So I think the deadline might be
busy for the clips with what we

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have contract wise, because it's not
like there's championship aspirations don't come for me.

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But I don't think, you know, that's going to keep them from

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making moves or anything. Like that. I think a lot is going to

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be determined with the health of Kawhi
Leonard, availability of James Harden now at

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thirty five, how much they click
in defensively, how much they're getting a

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visa Zoo Boss and Terrence Man,
you know, more involved offensively, and

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that could determine whether or not they're
buyers or sellers in the trade deadline?

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Maybe yeah, was it. I'm
trying to find law posted like something about

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Terrence's touches needing to go up this
season, which I agree with, right

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like we want him and Zoo Lawrence. Frank kind of mentioned, you know,

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the Zoo and Terrence extensions coming up. But Man's gonna have to show

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what he can do, and he's
gonna have to get more touches. He's

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gonna have to show what he can
do when he gets him. I have

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faith in Terrence Man. I don't
think it's going to be superstar Max level,

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but I have faith that he can
be a very good guy who's going

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to deserve the nineteen to twenty four
million a year or whatever that the Clippers

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are going to think about giving him. But him and Zoo like they have

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a real opportunity to show what they
can do coming up this season, and

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I really hope they can do it
for the Clipper's sake. Yeah, I

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don't think it's out of the question
or unrealistic to see Terrence Man average twelve

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to fourteen points per game in a
larger role on offense where he's a little

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bit more utilized a Vita Zubas.
I think that he should be averaging fifteen

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per game this season. I really
think he needs to be a focal point

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if you're going to have success.
I don't see a path there without getting

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Zubas much more involved in the offensive
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efficiency. It's not like he needs
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This isn't a guy who is an
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free throw line like the Zoo could
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Zoo could be at the twenty and
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into more of a field general type
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is peak, is what I'm saying. I'm not saying like let's expect it,

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but I think I'm all for they
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Terrence all I've wanted from Terrence is
though, just chunky stat lines sixteen seven

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six, stuff like that. Again, not easy. I'm not pretending like

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that's an easy thing, but that
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I mean, the offense is gonna
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be there. They're gonna reward each
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hopefully in transition now that we have
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So there's just ways to get these
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Clippers could be after this season.
Well, and Terrence, you know,

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he's been such a good development player
and it's showed so much progress through absorbing

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some of the powers you could say, of guys around him, like Rogue,

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playing next to some of the guys
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you talk about those meaty full stat
lines, maybe he's gonna take something from

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Russell Westbrook. Maybe he can be
a much better playmaker, rebounder, all

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around player on the offensive end,
because he's always been really good at just

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being a sponge for this Clippers team
and learning that way next to you know,

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Hall of Fame veterans. Yeah,
and now that he has a defined

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role, hopefully, because he flourished
in a defined role. That's been a

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thing that Terrence has been, like
one of those old medieval machines where they

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just stretch people out. Terrence has
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team since he got here. So
I'm hoping for the best I can see

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it. We got a question Sanina
Shiks asking, uh, if we're gonna

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talk about Lawrence Franks Presser, We're
gonna talk about it. We're doing a

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standalone episode tomorrow, so we're gonna
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the Lavigne stuff and stuff like that, and as well as the I would

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say, wildly successful Clipper summer league
run up to this point. I know

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we're going to talk about that tomorrow, but this summer league has gone as

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well as it possibly could have.
I think if you wanted to see development

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from two guys who can actually get
rotation minutes, they have been right like,

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unusually connected and well organized this Clippers
summer league team. If you watch

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your summer league, the Clippers look
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with how well they're playing and developing. Really a defensive identity in Summer League

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already, they're able to clamp down
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know, the vice scriptus a little
bit tighters. The game goes along and

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teams aren't able to score on them
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intensity. I should say yeah,
and I mean credit to Dante Jones.

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I mean, there's a very teams
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Remember when the Blazers a couple of
years ago had like Michael Beasley and

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like the oldest Summer League team like
of all time. It was just like,

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what are you guys doing? What
is this for? So it's nice

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to see the Clippers in a rare
move. And this isn't a knock on

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the Clippers. It's just hard to
do in summer league have a competent Summer

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league team that has somehow an identity
when you think about what summer League is,

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which is guys aren't even on a
sign for a team playing for a

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Summer league team. That's such a
weird about to be in. Do you

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show out, do you do things
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Credit to Dante Jones. Credit to
the whole staff, and you can

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downplay it and diminish it. It's
Summer League, but hey, if you're

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gonna be there, you might as
well play well. You might as well

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play to win. You might as
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trophy. These guys, it's a
big deal to them because they're not gonna

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have a chance right now at the
NBA level to play for something, to

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play for hardware like this. I
mean, the excitement level from Clipper Nation

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has been I think, I don't
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it's been warranted because how well Jordan
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Okay didn't play that great the first
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he's really come around. Mussi Diabate
last game was very good. For the

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love of ray J Dennis has been
very solid. For that man in that

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shot vomiting it from distance all there. The Christy shot form, don't look

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up his stats, those don't matter
right now because he's eighteen. That shot

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form is some good stuff. I'm
hoping we get. I hope when he

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makes like I mean, obviously,
I hope he makes as many threes as

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he takes but three threes from Cam
Christy to close out before we get to

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this point. Differential tournament or whatever
the hell they're doing, would feel good

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tonight. Yeah. I think he
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but you can see it. We
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right after the draft. Cam Christy
shot to me reminded me of Michael Porter

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Junior immediately, the elevation, the
high point, release point. But now

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I'm thinking because of his size and
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of in between Michael Porter Junior and
Devin Booker. To me, that Cam

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Christie shot wi, Yes, doesn't
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off the bows. Does he's be
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It does mean he he has an
NBA level skill right now. Doesn't mean

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he's gonna be playing. He has
to do all the other things right that

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shot. Yeah, he's got to
do one thing that every Clippers draft pick

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has to do. Of course,
grow He has to grow a little bit.

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He's got to put on some weight. He's looked more confident defensively too.

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He's not you know, he's not
stopping anything, but he looks.

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You look at that first game where
it was like, obviously they're going to

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target the eighteen year old who you
know that that makes sense, But he

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just looks more each game he's like
a little more willing to take on the

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challenge. He's not winning every single
battle, but he's not afraid to go

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into it, which I think is
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on a team in a weird place. No, even in the game against

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Brooklyn on Sunday, I posted a
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either got deflection or got the steal
and was hanging right with his man who

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could not be shook. Like.
It was low key impressive from him.

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I know he's why are we strong? I guess he doesn't. He hasn't

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filled out yet. He's too young. He's just about Yeah, for the

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wires, you can look at some
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At least, even though the body
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been good enough at times to really
throw guys off. Who he is guarding

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in the summer League. Yeah,
and he's in We talked about Terrence Mann

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being a sponge if there's any great
place for an eight for a very young

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draft pick to be a sponge.
It's around the Slippers team, exciting,

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it's a good summer league. I
am being called back into work, so

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I think I have to go.
Adam, thank you for popping in.

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I'm glad we did this. We'll
talk to everybody tomorrow. Yes, we're

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gonna be rob a standalone episode tomorrow. Thanks for hanging out. And a

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reminder, really quick, we're not
paying Elon Musk eight dollars a month to

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verify our Twitter account, so thank
you for watching on YouTube. We can't

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stream on Twitter anymore unless we pay
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restream. I don't want to do
that because I don't want to give you

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one Moskate dollars doesn't help our bottom
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It's his business. We'll be back
with you all tomorrow. I don't know

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if there's gonna be an Uncle Oslin's
Summer League live tonight, but maybe I

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don't know. Probably not. I
can't. I'm gonna be out and about.

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I'm gonna be busy. But oh
yeah, we're all watching him.

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But yeah, we'll hang out with
y'all tomorrow night, have a great rest

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of your day. And here's the
cam Christie hitting ten threes tonight
