1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,160 In the Bible in Joshua, chapter one and part of verse seven is to 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,720 be strong and courageous. And we've done programs about what does it mean to 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:14,359 be strong and courageous as a man Biblically? How do you do that? 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,359 Jesus Christ is the best method of that, the best model of that. 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,600 And there are young men, young strong men who are standing up against the 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,359 evils of sex trafficking. Yesterday you heard from one gentleman on this. Today 7 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:33,039 another one, Caleb Altemyer's founder and CEO of Helping Captives dot org. He 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,759 joins us talk about his journey and what they're doing in Idaho and around the 9 00:00:37,759 --> 00:00:41,399 world. And this is so important to understand. And we learned yesterday about 10 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:45,039 how small towns are a hotbed for this because it's low, low risk. 11 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:49,240 So we'll talk about this with the help of Bulwark Capital Management. Zach is 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,600 one of his free life webinars coming up this Thursday at three thirty Good to 13 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:56,240 Know Your Risk radio dot com to register, And of course we can't do 14 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,880 anything without the help of God, Almighty, Thank you Lord. The Todd 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:07,319 Herman Show is one percent disapproved by big pharma technocrats and tyrants. Everywhere. 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:15,719 No, from the high mountains of Free America. Here's the Emerald City exile 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:27,599 Todd Herman. Today is a day the Lord has made, and these are 18 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:30,959 the time so which God has decided we shall live. And I'm joined by 19 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:36,599 a young man who's decided to be strong and courageous the same way God tells 20 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,640 us to. Caleb Baltimer, founder and CEO of Helping Captives, joins us, 21 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:42,920 pleasure to have your brother. Thank you, thanks so much for having 22 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,760 me. Yeah, what drew you into this this mission? Because it is 23 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,280 a mission. Yeah, it's it's a little it's a little unique story. 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,640 So I grew up my dad was the men's director at the Union Gospel Mission 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:59,079 Shelter. Oh no kidding. And then yeah, and then my grandfather was 26 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,359 the executive director and a board member before that. So and my uncle currently 27 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:09,879 is the CEO of UGM. So my whole childhood just grew was around homeless 28 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,000 ministry outreach. Like I said, my dad actually was the men's director at 29 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,000 the shelter, and so my that was just my childhood. Like my earliest 30 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,719 memories are having birthday parties in the shelter, like playing except birthday parties and 31 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,800 my mom's Yeah, preschool, Yeah, like playing tetball with all the guys 32 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,159 in the cafeteria. Yeah, and going to playing basketball and just hanging out 33 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:36,360 with them. So that was like my childhood. And then I kind of 34 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,159 my mom's a quadriplegic, and so my parents are still married. About five 35 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:44,560 months after they got married, they got a car accident and she she's been 36 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,240 a quadriplegic ever since. So I was raised by a mom's quadriplegic and a 37 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:51,400 dad that was running a homeless shelter. Wow. And so I had a 38 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:54,439 unique childhood, but blessed best one ever. But once I got into junior 39 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:59,159 hig high school, I started questioning God a little bit just because of my 40 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:04,319 mom's situation with the wheelchair. Totally ran away from my faith. And then 41 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:06,759 when I was eighteen, God came and spoke to me in a dream, 42 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,479 and so that kind of reawakened everything for me. I felt called and knew 43 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,879 I was called to ministry because of that dream and what he had told me 44 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,000 in it. So thought, well, next thing is maybe I should be 45 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:23,280 a youth pastor. Like that was kind of the natural transition in my head. 46 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:25,639 So I started going to church wanted to do that. But what I 47 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,120 was finding was I don't know if it was my childhood of just how I 48 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,039 grew up, or just my bent to be more of an evangelist. I 49 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:37,120 just wanted to be out of the building and I didn't want to be in 50 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,039 the I wanted to reach my friend group and I want to reach my city, 51 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,759 and I was more comfortable doing that, probably just how I grew up. 52 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,599 We had a ministry outside the four walls of the church. So at 53 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,120 twenty I started a small group and turned into it blowing up in that my 54 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,360 parents said, hey, man, we can't have thirty kids over here every 55 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,919 day at our house. You need to figure something out. So at twenty 56 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:04,680 two I started a nonprofit which kind of turned into doing more youth center style 57 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:14,280 stuff, and through that is when I started hearing stories of traffic victims and 58 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:18,639 kids. But what the real kicker was is my dad was still running his 59 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,040 Monday night church at the homeless shelter and women were allowed to come into that 60 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Monday night, and a lady came in and told us him her story. 61 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,439 Well, that lady that came in and told him her story said that she'd 62 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,839 been trafficked from six or seven years old, but it was our neighbor, 63 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,480 oh wit, And so it was my neighbor that I thought was our babysitter 64 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:44,800 because she'd come over and hang out with us and play with us. My 65 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,639 mom said she wasn't really a baby serieser, just a neighbor that we would 66 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,040 come over and play with you guys. But in my mind at six, 67 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:54,439 you know, she's the babysitter, and so you know, first girl had 68 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,439 a crush on the whole deal. So it really hit home for me when 69 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,160 I'm hearing her story and she telling us her that the reason she'd come over 70 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:04,480 all the time was we were the only say family she knew. So I 71 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,879 go back to my youth center and I start talking about what I was hearing, 72 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,079 and I have a coworker that I had hired, and she started crying 73 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,360 and she tells me she has the almost the exact same story, and her 74 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:20,720 dad used to sell her and to his prison guard buddies. He used to 75 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:26,519 work at a prison and the inmates, and so I just it was almost 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,360 just like in my face, in my dad's face, and so we just 77 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:30,759 said, hey, we need to do something about it. At the time, 78 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,920 we were doing a lot more outreach and food distribution and trying to get 79 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,879 the church out of the four walls to reach the city. And we thought, 80 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,600 well, we'll just open up a house and if we run into the 81 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,839 situation, we'll put a family in there with some house parents and you know, 82 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,639 not having to pay rent, and we'll just put them in the house 83 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:49,959 and everything will be great. Well, we opened it up. We had 84 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:54,560 twenty one women go through the house in nine months, and it wasn't all 85 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,439 great. We'd realized, Wow, they're coming out of extreme drug addiction trauma. 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 And that's just kind of how we dove into it. And it's just 87 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,759 been kind of growing ever since. It's so amazing. You know. We 88 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:10,160 talked with Nate your friend. Yeah, and Nate Louis was in, uh 89 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,600 from Innocents Rescue Mission, and he and I shared the commonality of haven't been 90 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,600 kidnapped, it's been kidnapped. I was kidnapped. Mine didn't lost last as 91 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,600 long as he did. Crazy the Duds never told me this story. Yeah, 92 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,079 it was just with them for five hours. This is podcast, you 93 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:28,319 can get it on. But all right, I'm gonna have what uh, 94 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:32,399 But yeah, we just connected on that. My mom was a preschool teacher, 95 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:36,639 so I had my uh birthday parties in the preschool. I love that 96 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,279 you were talking about playing with the guys, and I used to work with 97 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,920 homeless guys in Seattle and got to know them as guys. Right, yeah, 98 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,079 right, So they're in the situation of homelessness. There's just all these 99 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,360 commonalities and they're bizarre, I mean really bizarre. First of all, I 100 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:00,079 showed you the music recording studio Dunstairs. Yeah, supers. Okay, So 101 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:01,560 the guy who runs that's a quad, get out of here. He's a 102 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:04,759 quite apologic kid. That's he taught himself. He taught himself to play guitar. 103 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:08,240 Okay, I got to meet this guy because it's so rare to find 104 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,319 somebody that's a quad that is like not a victim, Like my mom is 105 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,879 not a victim. He refuses to be victim. You Okay, we'll set 106 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,079 that up. But here's get this crazy. My best my my one of 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:25,560 my dad's best friends daughters was probably the first girl I had a crush. 108 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,160 One. She shared with me when I was in college that she had been 109 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,879 sex trafficked by her father. That's crazy. So it's so interesting to find 110 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:40,360 find the comment out, so we'll dig in. 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Then we'll get to some of the facts about sex 135 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,320 trafficking and then specifically what your group does, because we talked with Nate about 136 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,759 what he does and you guys are coming get this from a little bit. 137 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:22,000 Yeah, he's the other side of the coin, right right. So man, 138 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,080 I've when the Lord has spoken to me through dreams. Wow, those 139 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,480 are potent and yours was at eighteen yeah, just turned eighteen, yeah, 140 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,879 yeah, and I was a pothead high school dropout selling pot the whole deal. 141 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,320 Yea, yeah, so just so you really walked away? Oh yeah, 142 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,320 yeah, yeah. So I don't do anything halfway, bro, Are 143 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,000 you okay tell me what the Lord said? Yeah? So some of it, 144 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,080 I am kind of well, I'll tell you guys, I'm going to 145 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,639 be writing. I am in the process of trying to finally write a book 146 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,279 about it, because I just have been waiting and waiting, waiting. I 147 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,440 think God was more interested in me developing my character because I knew I had 148 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,440 a calling then, but I did not have the character. And so now, 149 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,279 but here's here's what happens. So I went to my parents' house, 150 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:11,360 and you know, my dad had rules. He went let me back up. 151 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:13,919 He went on a forty day fast in the woods with nothing but water. 152 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,399 Wow, And he was praying for my mom to get healed, and 153 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:20,399 she didn't get healed. But what he did was get a completely different direction 154 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,639 in his life. And so when he came back, I was that was 155 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,919 it for me because when he was gone for forty days, it was a 156 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,720 weird time. I started going from a private school to public school. There 157 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:33,919 was no man in the family at the house for forty days because he's up 158 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,399 in the woods. I'm hopeful my mom's going to get healed. He comes 159 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,039 back, She's not healed. I've already developed a whole new friend group. 160 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,159 I'm already starting to get in troubles and I'm thinking I can just take care 161 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,480 of myself. He's like, hey, if you're going to live here, 162 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,279 here's the rules. I don't want to follow the rules. So there's this 163 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,720 three year time where I'm like leaving, falling on my face, coming back 164 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,600 home, following the rules, not wanting to follow the rules, leaving again, 165 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,039 and so I come back. My parents change their strategy, so instead 166 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 of preaching at me, they start praying for me and loving me, and 167 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,480 then that would bring me in. And then if I asked a question, 168 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:11,279 they were ready. They're always ready to share with me the gospel. So 169 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,279 I was coming back to the house and my mom had put Bible verses all 170 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,639 over her television, so every time she wanted to pray for me, she 171 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,080 would just declare these scriptures over me, and she would go tell the whole 172 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,679 neighborhood ladies to pray for me and hand out my picture. I found all 173 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,320 this outlet. I got saved because all the neighbor ladies like and my mom 174 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,960 occurs around a wheelchair and literally, I mean neighbor like within a quarter mile, 175 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,759 like they're all praying about for me and know my story. And I 176 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:41,519 didn't know that. So I come home and I'm mad because I want to 177 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,799 watch like a basketball game, and I can't because there's Bible verses all over 178 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,200 the TV. And I didn't at that time. I was so angry at 179 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:52,440 even like hearing the name Jesus, I would just snap. And so I 180 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,679 just get mad, and I go downstairs and I'm like, I don't want 181 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,159 to hear about God. Dah da da da. And I go downstairs and 182 00:11:56,159 --> 00:12:01,120 I'm so tired from partying the night before that I just fall asleep. And 183 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,600 then all of a sudden, I'm just not in my body anymore, Like 184 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:09,960 I'm just in a completely different space. And I'm walking up this trail and 185 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,759 there's a kind of a big boulder to my right, and then I so 186 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,399 I can't totally see what's on the other side of the boulder, but then 187 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,879 I get I keep walking up the trail. The other side of the boulder, 188 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,159 there's like a fifteen foot soldier and he's got a sword and a spear 189 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:31,039 and a shield, and he's like commanding something. I can't see what he's 190 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,399 commanding. And as I keep going up the trail, I get around the 191 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:37,799 boulder and I can see what he's commanding. It's this whole army and this 192 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:43,519 massive army of people. And there was sick. We're up on top of 193 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,440 a mountain now, and there's six there's three mountains to the right and three 194 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,559 mountains to the left, and down in this big valley, it's this army 195 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,840 and they're waking up. They're getting ready for war. It's early in the 196 00:12:54,879 --> 00:13:00,480 morning, and he's commanding them. And all of a sudden, it starts 197 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:07,919 thundering and lightning, and the from the back of the canyon, you see 198 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,799 this tornado start to appear, but it's backwards. It's going up into heaven, 199 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:20,759 so it super catches your attention, right. And the tornado starts at 200 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,639 one mountain and goes to the across the canyon, over the army to the 201 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,600 other mountain, and then back and forth and back and forth until it gets 202 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,600 gets coming closer and closer to me, and all of a sudden, it 203 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,080 stops right above my head, and these two doves come down. And this 204 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:37,799 is when I freaked out, because in a dream, like if you fall 205 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,559 off of a mountain or a roof, you wake up before you hit the 206 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,879 ground, yep. Or if you fall in the water, you don't fill 207 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:46,919 the water. Bro. When these doves came down and picked me up, 208 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:52,240 they I felt them splashed me with water, and I freaked out because I 209 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,960 was like, oh, this isn't a normal like I can feel the wind. 210 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,279 It was not normal. It wasn't like a normal dream. Like I'm 211 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,360 just so you know, I'm thirty five and I can tell you every detail 212 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,159 of it. And so they picked me up and they carry in the mouth 213 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,919 of this tornado, and then all said, the mouth of a tornado. 214 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,960 I see the words and I hear this loud, booming voice. They go 215 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:18,559 into all the world, preach the gospel, make disciples go yeah, dude. 216 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,639 Three times they say this to me, and they set me down on 217 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,519 top of the mountain and I wake up and I'm my heart's racing. I'm 218 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,919 having like I'm almost having panic attack. And that's when I realized, I'm 219 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,639 like one God is real. It was terrifying. I realized how small I 220 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,240 was, but how he still loved me and had a plan for me, 221 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:41,279 and I knew the sin I was in. I know I didn't desert like 222 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:45,600 so that for that led me for about two weeks of like starting to crack 223 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:48,639 my Bible open. After two weeks, I was like, Okay, I 224 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:50,679 want to go see some friends. And I went up to my friend's house. 225 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,840 They're all partying, smoking weed and everything, and that's when I realized, 226 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,200 I'm like, I don't know if I can do this anymore. And 227 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:01,320 then I had to encounter where the Holy Spirit met me in that house and 228 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,879 had a bunch of demonic stuff leave me like it was just one thing after 229 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,200 the next. God was just pulling me out of that life. Bro I'm 230 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,440 getting freaked out by you guys, but you and Nabel, I'll tell you 231 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:18,679 why. Okay, I had a life changing dream where I had anger ruled 232 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,840 in my life and I was a punch the door guy. I was a 233 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:28,639 punch the guy guy. And I had this successful career. I built this 234 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,559 internet radio company and sold it. I'm well known in this industry and I'm 235 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:37,080 about to get a job at Microsoft, and my temper gets me and I 236 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,559 flew off the handle on the phone at a lady and said things I shouldn't 237 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,480 have said, and she rightly called the cops. So now I'm facing a 238 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,240 charge could derail this thing where Microsoft was so good to me and bust all 239 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:58,279 this money. And how old are you? Oh gosh, I was probably 240 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:06,200 thirty two thirty if that three years old. And I had a dream where 241 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,200 there was a construction worker messing up my commutes and I was mad at and 242 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,000 I'm screaming at him. And then a guy comes buying a bike and he's 243 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,080 telling me to chill. I'm like, hey, dude, you're on a 244 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,200 bike. And then the guy in the bike his face turned into the Lord 245 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:25,080 Jesus and he put his finger up like this, and it was gentle. 246 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,440 It wasn't a don't you it was don't be angry. And when he said 247 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:36,559 this, I had this feeling of floating like you did with the doves. 248 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,240 And I floated up into the sky and I was scared in my dream because 249 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:47,919 I was floating and I encountered the face of the Lord Jesus in the stars 250 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:56,240 and he said don't be angry. And I felt my body dying, like 251 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:02,840 all the life leading me leaving me like and I wanted to stay, just 252 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:07,440 stay there, and then my body woke me up and it changed me. 253 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,680 I went from that moment on I'm not ever going to surrender to anger ruin 254 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,160 me again. I mean a slip up, but so wow, you guys 255 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,240 are freaking me out. You you are on this. Praise the Lord. 256 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:25,240 I know, it's just he could just do what every once he's in charge, 257 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,599 right he is. So we talked with Nate, who's on the training 258 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,559 cops, training parents, teachers. They do arrange these sting operations to get 259 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:41,440 these men who are I think the Moonicaho possessed, pornagraph pornographically possessed, who 260 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:48,200 want to go rent the bodies of little children and and praise God, they're 261 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,039 stopping that and getting in the middle of that or punishing guys once they do 262 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,839 it, and helping cops do that. You guys are at the other end 263 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,880 of the spectrum. And what's that. Yeah, we're think on the other 264 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,480 side of the coin. So Nate does more. We also do education and 265 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,720 training, but we were more trying to train people and like signs to look 266 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,720 for, how to spot if somebody's being trafficked, how to work with survivors. 267 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:12,279 Ours is more working with survivors. Nate's mission is more to work with 268 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:15,440 the police department and train them on how to catch the bad guys. So 269 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:22,440 our whole mission is more to just provide safety and healing and recovery services for 270 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,119 women coming out of trafficking. So we do that in three ways with prevention, 271 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,920 intervention, and recovery services. So what prevention would be trying to talk 272 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,119 to kids, trying and talk to families, try to prevent trafficking from happening. 273 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,720 So we have an education center and we have four or five trainings that 274 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,759 just constantly are rotating through there. And then the intervention piece is like, 275 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,960 well, what happens when somebody has been trafficked? Where do they go? 276 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,359 Right? So you watch the Sound of Freedom movie and you're all impacted in 277 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,359 this girl's life. You know, she gets rescued, but then what like 278 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:56,880 she's not just going into a room and banging a drum and everything's great, 279 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Like, she's just been raped ten times a day probably for years, and 280 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,559 she's probably got drug addiction and all sorts of stuff that she's either been forced 281 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:10,319 on hers on just a number self to be able to perform. And so 282 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,759 where do they go? That's that's why we exist. Yeah, it's a 283 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,440 beautiful thing to you know, know that that you're doing that, and it's 284 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,680 there's a link to helping captains dot Organ. The show notes when I worked 285 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,400 in the government schools, I worked in a gang impacted school in Salt Lake 286 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,759 City, which sounds weird unless you understand the dynamics of Sault Lake. There's 287 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,839 a bunch of Mormons run around the bicycles. Uh no, there's the there 288 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,240 there's there's part of Salt Lake that's pretty gang rid. Okay. And in 289 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:48,319 one day I had two girls come to me on half of what so. 290 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,079 I mean. The way it worked was one in the morning, a girl 291 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,240 named Jessica came up to me and she said, I need to tell you 292 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,000 something about my friend Crystal, but you have to promise to not tell. 293 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,880 I said, ah, you know, I can't do that, but I 294 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,920 can listen, and if you guys have know anything wrong, I'm not in 295 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,640 trouble. And she said, okay. Well, and I knew that Crystal, 296 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,759 she was in sixth grade, and I knew that she was overly sexualized. 297 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:15,440 I can see that. I mean, my dad's pretty obvious when they're 298 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,440 fifth and sixth grade, it is. But I mean in this society anymore, 299 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,759 with what we're doing with sex ed in the schools and how that's being 300 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,160 promoted to kids, some people are numb to it. I knew it because 301 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,880 my dad was a social worker. I knew the signs Suggestsica says, well, 302 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:37,119 her her uncle made her have sex last night. Okay, well, 303 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,160 you're very brave. Thank you for telling me this. And I saw Crystal 304 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,839 standing over in her corner and I said, and what do you want me 305 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,599 to do? She said, well, Chrystal was afraid to tell you, 306 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,880 but she wants you to know. Okay, So went over and talk to 307 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,279 Crystal, Hey, can you tell me what's going on? Because in Utah 308 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,920 they had to tell you couldn't say. I heard this, So praise god, 309 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:02,599 we're able to get that uncle. The cops did that. And second 310 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,319 time that day, another girl came to me and said, I heard that 311 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,960 you helped Crystal. Well, so my friend and she pointed her friend her 312 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,720 neighbor made her have sex last night. And then a boy couldn't tell me. 313 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,920 He couldn't complete the sentence. So talk about it being common because your 314 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:29,920 neighbor, my dad's best friend's daughter. Yeah right, it's sometimes people think 315 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,720 when you're looking for the signs of sex trafficking. Hey, just we used 316 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,319 to call it because it was for same sex attracted people. In downtown Spokane. 317 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,319 There's a place called the Fruit Loop. Everybody knew if you wanted to 318 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,960 buy sex with a boy or a man, it was at the Fruit Loop. 319 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,119 But it's not that the signs. We have to be looking for the 320 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,480 signs in everyday life, right, So what are they? Well, that's 321 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,319 a good point. I've brought you this because I thought you might want to 322 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,240 have that. I'll keep it right here. But some of the signs, 323 00:21:56,319 --> 00:22:00,680 it's I mean, most of them are going to be just as a parent, 324 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:06,400 you just I think what I've learned is just understanding what trafficking is and 325 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,559 being trained on just what happens and how people groom kids and how how it's 326 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,920 happening. Your radars up, and so you start noticing things that don't seem 327 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,119 to make sense, you know what I'm saying. Like when you when you 328 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,519 don't understand that trafficking is happening, or you don't understand anything about it. 329 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,119 What I mean is you just like I used to think, oh, that's 330 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,799 just a prostitute walking down the street. Like I would have never thought until 331 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,960 I got some like just training on it, that oh, maybe this isn't 332 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,119 her choice. Maybe she was, she's being manipulated into this. Maybe she's 333 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:44,440 there's there's people behind the scenes making her do this, and she's got addiction 334 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,400 problems and we need to help her. So that was not the lens of 335 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,720 which I would look through it. So sometimes you end up in like a 336 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,720 situation you go, this just fills off, but I don't understand what it 337 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,720 is. And the more you get trained through trafficking, you can realize it 338 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,839 because you'll start looking at different things like signs of physical abuse or burn marks, 339 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,599 ruses, cuts. You start looking at them a little different, unexplayed 340 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,279 absences from school, Like if somebody just all of a sudden is a great 341 00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,279 uh class, great at great at education, and it's four point zero, 342 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:14,480 and all of a sudden they're just not at school anymore, and their whole 343 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:18,920 entire personalities shifting and changing. You're like, even if it's not trafficking, 344 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:22,200 there's some some kind of trauma or something's happened in their life. You know, 345 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,440 because you start noticing those things you, you're kind of looking into it. 346 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,839 Maybe they're just all of a sudden way less appropriately addressed, overly sexualized. 347 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:36,319 They're tired in class withdrawn, depressed, distracted, they're bragging about making 348 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359 lots of money all of a sudden. They might have two cell phones, 349 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,119 one that's for family, one that they every time it rings they have to 350 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,240 answer it. They might have a new new tattoos. They might be talking 351 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,799 to their friends about, like going out on dates with older men. Like 352 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:56,079 you start you know, these are some signs that you start seeing and starts 353 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,079 asking you, You start asking more questions. It hits. I don't tell 354 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,599 the full story because it's her story to tell, but something really bad happened 355 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:10,440 to our daughter, and it took us into a three year journey for teen 356 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:15,119 and adolescent mental health. Broken kid, broken family, right, and what 357 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,720 you're talking about. You know, we as parents expect our teens to get 358 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:26,119 wacky. But that change in personality, that that one day you're this and 359 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,839 the next day you're that, that's something that we've been trained as parents know 360 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,960 you need to dig into because you know, cutting yourself or burning yourself it's 361 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,759 ineffective, except it's not. It actually biologically helps reduce stress and anxiety. 362 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,920 People don't get that, but it's also this form of communication. But then 363 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,640 the bruises from getting beat up, and it's like, you know, you're 364 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,960 going to do this right, and that stuff that people don't want to see. 365 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,759 And I want to dig further in because there's definitely there's there's a difference 366 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,920 between sex work and sex trafficking, right. I want to talk about that 367 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,319 a second, right, because we need to use our minds on this stuff 368 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,519 and get our brains together to recognize what's going on. When I noticed that, 369 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,799 when I had this experience in the schools, I started to see that 370 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:18,880 stuff be more noticeable and I started to look at girls who were over sexualized 371 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,559 in a far, far different way, and I got I mean, in 372 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:29,039 one day, we knew this boy, this other boy was tragically not traffic 373 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:32,920 but sex abused. We knew that, the doctors knew it, everybody knew 374 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,200 it. But that gave me this hint to wow, this is super, 375 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,279 super super common. So what is the difference between sex trafficking and sex abuse? 376 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,559 Well, sexual abuse, I mean it's just anybody just abusing you sexually. 377 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,240 I think sex work would be you know, doing a commercial sex acts, 378 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:55,359 and so like if you're a if you're choosing to go out and do 379 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,960 prostitution for instance, that would be a sex work. But with sex traffic 380 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,559 there's recruitment, there's force, there's fraud, there's coorsion. So if somebody's 381 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,759 using force, fraud, accorsion to get somebody to perform a commercial sex act, 382 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,079 then it's sex trafficking. And if they're getting a minor to perform a 383 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:21,119 commercial sex act, it's immediately If it's immediately sex trafficking. So the difference 384 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,960 is there's got to be force, fraud or coorsion. Yeah, do you 385 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:30,319 think anyone actually chooses sex work? I mean no, I mean at some 386 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,759 point they might tell themselves that they have, But I'd have never met any 387 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,480 young girl that wakes up and she's four or five years old and says, 388 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,680 you know what I want to do when I get older? You know, 389 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,880 I think what happens is, I'll just be honest. I personally think sex 390 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,799 trafficking starts in the junior high hallway. And what I mean by that is 391 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:52,799 as soon as you hit junior high, cultures screaming at you. If you're 392 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:57,640 a guy, that the most important thing about use your body county and tries 393 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,880 to get you to get a didicted to pornography even now before junior high. 394 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,880 So they're trying to get you to look at women as objects instead of humans. 395 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,200 Yep. And from a woman's perspective, as soon as you get to 396 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,319 that age, your culture screaming at you the most important thing about choose your 397 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,200 body and what you can give a man sexually yep. And now you've got 398 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,759 one out of three women sexual abuse by the time they're eighteen, and one 399 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:25,279 out of five boys sexually abuse by the time they're eighteen. And that's what 400 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,559 I think is the beginning of all this is that now you get these men 401 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,519 that are addicted to porn they're looking at women as objects, so why would 402 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,400 they not purchase and pay for a commercial sex act? And so if you're 403 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,039 a girl and all of you, all you've ever been told is that this 404 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:44,279 is all you're good for. Let me give you an example. We just 405 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,640 purchased our local strip club and we're going to need to turn that into our 406 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,000 anti trafficking headquarters. I love it. This strip club was a I just 407 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:55,640 met with the manager that was there for fifteen years. First time she did 408 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,359 meth was in there. There's a lot as there's a lot of stories and 409 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,960 drugist choice. It's the whole thing. Deja vu in Spokane, Washington, 410 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,160 even back in the day of high school was notorious. Right, yes, 411 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:14,039 and so so we it shut down. We jumped on grabbed. It's perfect 412 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,640 location for what we're doing. It's on a bus line, it's the right 413 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,279 square footage. Everybody in our world knows where that buildings located. It's a 414 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,720 big concrete box. It's super secure. Like there's a lot of practical reasons. 415 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,920 It just works out great for us. And then obviously it's a win 416 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,880 win situation because now there's not going to be a club there anymore. So 417 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,559 you know, for us, as our Christians were like, hey, this 418 00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:38,480 is only God could do this. Well, we did. The first thing 419 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,279 I did when we bought the club is I called all the men of the 420 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:52,079 community together to do a men's revival service and remove the stages and and so 421 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,359 yeah, so we did that and we had over three hundred guys show up 422 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,359 and we smashed the stages and roove them and they we did a full on 423 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,640 service. Thirty men gave their lives to the Lord. All these guys repented 424 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,119 of just objectifying women. And it was a men's club, so I thought 425 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,240 men should dedicate this back to the Lord, and so that's what we did. 426 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:15,079 Well, there was some women that showed up to protests that used to 427 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,400 work at the club because they didn't understand our heart. They just thought, 428 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,279 well, we were buying this because we hate them. Right. So during 429 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:29,960 the and I also am a part of a motorcycle organization, so there's Harley's 430 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,240 and everything there too, doing bikers good friends of us. We're actually doing 431 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:40,759 their ride on Saturday. It's bikers helping captives. Okay, so but so 432 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,000 we we were out there and the bikers come and get me in the middle 433 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,680 of service and like, hey, these girls want to meet you, and 434 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,759 so I go out, we meet with them, They take they let us 435 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,920 pray with them. They're crying. They start hear in our actual heart with 436 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,000 them for what we're doing, and we're like, hey, we love you 437 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,359 guys, like this is this is you know, we I want to be 438 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,119 here if you find yourself in a situation that ends in trafficking, or ends 439 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,680 in abuse, or ends in drug addiction, like we're here for you, 440 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,920 you know, and but after the meeting, we let them come back in 441 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,720 to say goodbye to the building because they just wanted to say goodbye to the 442 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,759 facility. And we go into the back room, which is where they were. 443 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:25,400 This was their locker room, and it's dirty and there's stuff everywhere, 444 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,759 and it's it's messy, and one of the girls just starts breaking down, 445 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:34,480 crying, just literally crying because in her mind, all she knows and all 446 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,079 she's been told is that this is all she's good for, is commercial sex 447 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:42,799 work, and this is the most important part. And so now she's going 448 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,519 At least here at the club, I had felt like I had a family. 449 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:51,480 I had bouncers that kind of protected me. I could tell guys no, 450 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,240 you know, I could choose who I wanted to dance with. And 451 00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:59,960 now that this is gone, I'm going to have to go to the street. 452 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720 Not well, I need to get a different career choice. It's I'm 453 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,079 gonna have to go to the street because this is all they know, bro 454 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,200 right right, And and now it starts in the home, that starts in 455 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,640 junior high, that starts in just younger. It's accelerated because you're younger than 456 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,039 me. And when I'm uh, but it was there as well when I 457 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,519 was a kid. That that was you know, we didn't call it body 458 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:27,279 count, but definitely that was there. And I can remember there was a 459 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,359 girl I had a massive crush on. I just thought she was I mean, 460 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:34,000 okay, I'm not gonna lie. She was pretty, but there's something 461 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:38,240 quirky and I like interesting people. And this was in junior high and never 462 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,519 dated her, never, like never, but she gave me a phone number 463 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000 in my yearbook in ninth grade. Oh and by the way, I can 464 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,559 still remember it, of course, right, Wow, what's this? She 465 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,240 ended up working with me in high school at a place restaurant, and one 466 00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:00,079 day after work, late at night, we availed ourselves to some wine coolers 467 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:08,880 and went out and talked. And I got done talking and started driving home 468 00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,519 and I dropped Profford House. She sat there in the front seat and she 469 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:23,799 goes, that's it. Yeah, you're not going to try anything. I 470 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:31,039 don't know you. And she later told me that that was this unbelievable moment, 471 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:37,240 meaningful moment or life. And I said, why because you'll understand one 472 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:45,839 day. So it's accelerated in what's being done with this perverse pornographic sex ad 473 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,039 in the schools is breaking down kids barriers where hey, it's normal some adult 474 00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:52,480 dude wants to come and show you a sex toy. Yeah, and that's 475 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,680 part of grooming that traffickers do. They try to get you to So I 476 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,000 want you to hold onto that because we need to compare this and you know, 477 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,559 just pay this off. And our time is brief, so we'll hurry 478 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:08,799 through this. Oh gosh, I you and I were talking Acrossford earlier. 479 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,200 Yeah, I'm doing this crazy, crazy thing coming up in September. I'm 480 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 going to go do seal Fit, which is a fifty version nice hour of 481 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,000 you know what it is of a hell week. And I used to eat 482 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,680 that a ton. You're doing that. Yeah, I used to eat a 483 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,200 ton of Iberprofen and I'm talking about four pills a night, and I hate 484 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,400 Big Pharma and it was just this ultra hypocrite like doing the show and Big 485 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,200 Farmer's not your friends. And then gobble gobble iberprofen like it was some vitamins 486 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,160 and I didn't show on them necessarily, not always, sometimes I did. 487 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,240 I learned that iyberprofen. Guess what it does. It gives you inflammation. 488 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,599 How destroys the lining to your gut. What happens then particles that don't belong 489 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,759 in your blood get in your blood, which does what It creates inflammation. 490 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:57,319 So what do you do? You eat more iyberprofen See farmers got it all 491 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,279 figured out. Create the problem, sell the cure that caused this is a 492 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:05,200 problem. When I heard about native path krill fish author, I thought, 493 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,000 oh, yeah, whatever krill Like, well, no, it's something you've 494 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:12,920 not tried. Oh you've got to tried Omega threes. What are you talking 495 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,679 about? No? Not. This first of all comes from the antarctics, 496 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,039 so it's incredibly pure. Secondly, it is some I think two hundred percent 497 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,000 more absorbable. I got checked the numbers, but don't quote Mandad, but 498 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,199 it's much much more absorbable than the classic fish oil. So I said, 499 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:30,360 okay, I'll try it lo and behold, I do not need iberprofit anymore. 500 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,039 Even when I do sixteen hours of working out in a day, I 501 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,079 don't need it. And I've found with this with native pathcrill I'll take it 502 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,599 at night if I am sore, because last night, I'll be honest with 503 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,199 you, it was the three workout day and that surprising of the park kind 504 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:50,119 of got to me. So I ate extra Native pathcrill. You can benefit 505 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,320 from the same exact thing and toss the pharma. Toss it. Do not 506 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,400 have this stuff in your life. Go to nativepathcrill dot com slash todd nativepathcrill 507 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,159 dot com slash todd, and I could talk discounts, I could talk bonuses. 508 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,280 Here's the bonus. You're not going to die of liver disease because my 509 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719 dad gave himself liver disease a lot of ways. The drinking didn't help, 510 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,039 but the iboprofen that's the cherry on top probably finished them off. It's nativepathcrill 511 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:22,639 dot com slash todd. So I was there Caleb fighting against the first evil 512 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:28,239 incarnoration of this sex ad in Washington State when the bosson Grammerent Schools over there, 513 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,559 Chris rakedall sweating, feverishly, obsessively going through the hallways of the legislature 514 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:37,880 pushing this stuff. Jim Feuda with Crime Stoppers International told me on my radio 515 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,480 program when I did Morning Dark Radio in Seattle. He said, this stuff 516 00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:46,280 is a dream scenario for sex traffickers and for pedophiles. So the parallel lines 517 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,519 between this sort of curriculum and what groomers do. Help me understand that, 518 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,440 well, I just know. So let me give you. So I'm going 519 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,320 to tell you a story of a good friend of mine. Yeah, and 520 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,079 just kind of kind of try and humanize this a little bit. So I 521 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,360 got a really really good friend of mine, she's like a sister. When 522 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,960 I was just getting into this, she came and heard me speak at an 523 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,159 event, and she'd never told anybody her full story, and she came up 524 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,840 and talked to me, and then I had her meet with my parents and 525 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,920 she opened up her whole story. And then she ended up becoming one of 526 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,679 our staff and doing up being our activities director. But her name is CJ. 527 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,320 She's also the owner of a coffee shop in Spokane called The Garden Coffee 528 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,760 and local Elites, and she's totally down and open to me sharing her story, 529 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,639 and so I'm going to share that real quick. So CJ's story is 530 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:45,400 pretty typical of what we'll see. Is mom and dad get divorced. She's 531 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,159 thirteen. Mom and dad are drinking a smoke a pot all the time, 532 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,079 kind of partying lifestyle. So she moves in with her dad to downtown Seattle 533 00:36:53,360 --> 00:37:00,440 in a motel and there's a pimp or a trafficker sitting outside. These tells 534 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:06,320 looking for situations like a CJ. So CJ's now living out of motel. 535 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,079 Dad's just kind of smoking and partying, so she's kind of can do whatever 536 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:13,320 she wants outside. This guy's in his thirties, approaches her, starts to 537 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239 buy her food, kind of taking care of her over time, starts to 538 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:23,440 kind of bring her into more of his life, kind of desensitizing her to 539 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:28,280 all this sort of stuff. So I like groomers, traffickers sometimes will take 540 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,159 girls to strip club different things like that because they want to desensitize them to 541 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:37,440 the whole commercial sex industry. Right, and you know they start out with 542 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,719 like touching or red light, green light game, or just different things that 543 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,800 desensitize a human to sexual touch. And then he starts to get pull her 544 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,239 away from her dad and trying to isolate her. Right, So now all 545 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,239 said, Hey, your dad's not really there for Your dad doesn't really care 546 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,519 that much about you. Look at me, I'm taking care of you. 547 00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,920 I've got this beautiful house in La You should just I'll move away with me 548 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,039 and come I'll take care of you. I'll be like your dad, right, 549 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,920 So she decides she's gonna run off with him. So a lot of 550 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,320 times you hear runaways and you don't know the backstory of like what's going on 551 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,119 or if there's other people involved. So she ends up running away with this 552 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,079 guy and she goes to get in the car and there's another woman in the 553 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,159 front seat. She goes, well, this is weird that it was just 554 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,280 me and him, right, But she goes, well, I'll jump in 555 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,960 there. But that was that guy's bottom girl that was also recruiting other women 556 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,280 in the Seattle area. So they drive down and they get to Bend, 557 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,760 Oregon and CJ's tall, She's like six feet tall, and so you know, 558 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,000 she might not look like a typical thirteen year old but at the time, 559 00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:43,880 but she's clearly just a thirteen fourteen year old girl. And it gets 560 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,119 to Bend, organ and now all of a sudden, she's trapped, like 561 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,360 where's she going to go? So now they tell her, hey, we 562 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,519 are going to take care of you. We are going to give you food, 563 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,440 we are going to take you shopping, but it's not going to be 564 00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:58,599 for clothes that you would ever buy, and in order to get the housing, 565 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,079 in order to get the food, are going to have to pay us 566 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,760 by selling yourself on the street. And so that's how she ends up getting 567 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,760 into it, being sold in the street. When she does get arrested at 568 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719 that time, the police would just get her for prostitution or something like that. 569 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,760 And so now she doesn't trust them to even tell the cops. So 570 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,000 I want to tell anybout your story. Anytime she tried to leave, he'd 571 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,679 beat her or throw in her ice bass. So this is her this is 572 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,760 her horrible reality and being abused multiple times a day. And then she starts 573 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,599 to think, now now she gets into the drugs. Now he's groom training 574 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:32,119 her to say, this is just who you are, This is your choice. 575 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:36,000 This year just a hoe, You're just this. So now she's starting 576 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,079 to think of her own identity is this and this is all she's good for. 577 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,719 And at some point he leaves to go back up to Washington to get 578 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,719 somebody else, and she's able to get away, and luckily there was another 579 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,039 woman in the house I was older, that was like, you need to 580 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,599 like go, because at that point most of the women won't even leave, 581 00:39:54,639 --> 00:40:00,119 They just have Stockholm syndrome, right, and so she's she's brave enough if 582 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,239 she leaves, comes back up to the up to Spokane. Her mom thought 583 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,719 she was dead by this point, the whole family's right because they thought she 584 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,119 had died, she was gone, and that just leads her into this next 585 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:14,119 season of her life, which is just drug addiction and partying, and nobody 586 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,039 never wanted to share her actual story until later on somebody hands her a book 587 00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,559 in her thirties and she's reading her story and she starts weeping because she realizes 588 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:29,400 she didn't actually choose this because her she had been brainwashed to believe this is 589 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,119 your choice, you know. She realizes I was thirteen and this guy was 590 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,320 actually like grew me into it. And so that's part of the grooming process 591 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,239 for a pedophile or anything, is to try to like one just to sensitize 592 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,920 them to sex, and then you do the isolation tactics. So that's what's 593 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,880 worrisome to me about just all of this stuff and sex, sex a head 594 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,800 and all that kind of stuff. You think it was just there's a limit 595 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,760 to like, you know, wanting kids to be safe, wanting them to 596 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,280 come talk to teachers, or counselors that they're being abused and that type of 597 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,920 thing. And then there's a limit to like how much information they need and 598 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,400 now you're actually overly sexualizing them. Well, and you're telling them don't tell 599 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,280 your parents. Yeah, that part's just crazy, right till they trusted adult, 600 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,639 not your parents, and they specifically some of the parents. This is 601 00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,920 and this is the part that this is going to be controversial. I get 602 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,840 it because I I would always want somebody to come talk to their parent, 603 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:31,119 right, some of these parents are the ones that are abusing their kids. 604 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,840 So what they do is they'll take this isolated case and then they'll just blanket 605 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,039 statement, blanket it for And I totally get that because in those my dad 606 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:45,280 had been a social worker, my mom master's degree in early childhood heed. 607 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,800 My wife is a brilliant and skilled teacher. We've seen those circumstances. There 608 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,519 was a little boy whose mom lived in uh she was a prostitute. Don't 609 00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,440 know her story. I know that she desperately wanted to keep her son, 610 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,920 who would have to stay in her car while she performed acts a prostitution in 611 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,639 front of men, well two men, And I know that they were sometimes 612 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,719 abusing him. So yes, there are these cases where the parents the one 613 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,000 who's facilitating or doing it. But to take this blanket statement as they have 614 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,920 in curricula, don't tell your parents, particularly if they're conservative or Christian. 615 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,079 Bro Okay, So we just had our daughter. Yeah, and that's when 616 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,199 I started really working out because I was like, I had a son and 617 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,519 we like to wrestle. But for some reason, when I had my daughter, 618 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:37,800 like triggered something and we went to the doctor and my wife is filling 619 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,599 out the forms or something and the doctor, I forget exactly what happened. 620 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:51,000 But basically the reality is is that Sarah is she's told that she couldn't eventually 621 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,400 be on certain forms or something once my daughter turns thirteen, because she's not 622 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:59,480 allowed to know anything that's going on medically with our kid when she's thirteen years 623 00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,239 old. Not just that, No, No, they in your state, 624 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:08,280 Washington, they'll give your daughter an abortion, antidepressants, wrong sex hormones without 625 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,559 your knowledge. Yeah, you'll get a bill crazy. Well, but there's 626 00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:17,679 also this, A thirteen year old in your state can walk into a planned 627 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:22,199 parenthood and say, my parents won't affirm my sexuality, and they're gone, 628 00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:27,280 and they'll hide them. A kid from Idaho can walk across the border, 629 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,920 go to a school and say, my parents in Idaho want affirm my so 630 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,719 called transgender. They'll hide that kid from the parents and from that home state 631 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,920 patrol. It's illegal for the same patrol in your state to tell a parent 632 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:49,000 where their kid is. So that's it's to me, it's demonic. And 633 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:52,639 we wrap this up because well where it's like, we're living in sound of 634 00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:57,239 Freedom. I would tell you I was down in Port of art to Mexico. 635 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,599 You guys know this then at Renewed Healthcare, and I was talking about 636 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:05,280 the difference between Port of Arta and Northern Mexico. Northern Mexico is really really 637 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,400 cartel run now, to be honest, Solisco is. Two difference is that 638 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:15,159 the cartels have better drug policies than Washington State. Down in part of Arta, 639 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,119 they've said, hey, no fentanyl, and you touch a tourist, 640 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,679 you're dead to the cartels, which means you're dead. So it's a far 641 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,639 different place. They have their same issues, but it is so so's minor 642 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,239 there, which is one of the reasons that renew set up shop there. 643 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000 They'd like to do what they do in the United States. But funny thing 644 00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:37,519 we were talking about Big Farmer earlier. Big Farmer doesn't want placenta and stems. 645 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:44,440 Placenta and umbilical cord stem cells use to help regrow tissue because they'd rather 646 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,719 have you take painkillers things worse than iberprofile like fentanyl. So if you've been 647 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,920 told you're going to have to have surgery for like like a rotator comfor repair, 648 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:58,320 please pause. Get your MRI to the people at Renew. They'll tell 649 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,880 you how to do that. They'll look at it. You might not need 650 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,760 surgery. My friend Boris is a world class master's level swimmer, I think 651 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,639 third in the nation last time around, former Olympian. He couldn't swim. 652 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,480 Why he went to Renew Three weeks later he's back in the pool. My 653 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:14,559 case, they told me, hey, Todd, your shoulder is too far 654 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,800 gone, but we can help you after recovery. Second shoulder surgery, this 655 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,400 one, I didn't get full movement back for forty two weeks, I write 656 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,039 one. After I went to Renew, I was doing pull ups and push 657 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,480 ups in twelve weeks, which no one expected, at least of all me. 658 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,760 So you can work with these guys, I's Laura lumbar, it's arthritis, 659 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,880 it's even neurological. Is she's going to renew dot healthcare? Telling me 660 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,440 you heard about it on the podcast that Todd Herman Showers saw it. It's 661 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,199 renew dot Healthcare. Got like three minutes to wrap this up. This has 662 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,559 gone way, way too fast. I'd love to have you back. Just 663 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:52,920 number one. Gosh, praise God for equipping the cold in your case. 664 00:45:53,039 --> 00:46:00,920 And what can an audience that's we have a big audience in the Pacific northwest 665 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,639 of the United States, but for whatever reason, we're big in Brazil and 666 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,400 Netherlands. And God's blessed our audio version of this podcast being in the top 667 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,519 one half of one percent globally. We're still working on the video stuff and 668 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:16,079 we're behind the times on that. But how can we help you specifically? 669 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:21,480 Yeah, I think right now the biggest ish, the biggest thing we're running 670 00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,960 into is that within our anti trafficking networks, when we started off, we 671 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,039 were doing long term care, which means we were doing like nine to eighteen 672 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:32,920 month programs, and within our networks, there was only like ten organizations in 673 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,320 the United States that was doing emergency services and so we were asked to do 674 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,280 emergency services. We have a big issue in the Pacific Northwest. We're it 675 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:49,480 between Seattle and Billings, Montana within our network, and they're for emergency care. 676 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:58,199 Definitely the only I would say Christian Conservative organization in Washington doing this with 677 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,119 values that we have and wanting to keep Christ in everything that we're doing. 678 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,239 And because of that, we had opportunity from our city council to get a 679 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,440 million dollars and we had to turn it down because the only way to take 680 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,599 that money would have been to take Christ out of our organization. And so 681 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:21,440 right now we're just trying to Honestly, the best thing to help us is 682 00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,039 just go to our website and just learn about us and know what we're doing. 683 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,400 And if you could just give to what we're doing currently to purchase the 684 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,280 old Strip Club and turn it into our headquarters, because that will exponentially help 685 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,000 us grow and help way more women. We've helped two hundred women already, 686 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:46,199 but this will allow us to have emergency, twenty four hour emergency care and 687 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,360 outpatient for women that need outpatient, and counseling for kids, and so that 688 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,320 all will be able to be happened through this new headquarters, and we are 689 00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,760 only six hundred and fifty grand away from making that happen. Okay, so 690 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,800 just it's in the show notes. It's helpingcaptives dot org if you don't have 691 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480 the show notes, helping captives dot org in an incredible way to take the 692 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:13,840 gifts God's given you to steward and steward them really really wize brother, just 693 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,559 a huge pleasure. You guys are still freaking out of it's commonality. I'm 694 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,639 gonna have to do some praying about this. This is the Todd Herman shall 695 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,920 please go be well, be strong, be kind, and please make every 696 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,039 effort to walk a lot of christ