1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:16,079 Made a decision face Sunnysome. I had a vision ny So, hey everybody, 2 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,679 welcome to our very special Thursday guest episode with Kate Casey. She had 3 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:26,359 a very popular podcast of this Reality Life. Yes, and you have five 4 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:30,760 kids? All right? Five kids? Yep shows Reality Life with Kate Casey, 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,520 Reality life, not this Reality Life. Sorry, well it should be. 6 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:39,479 I feel I feel like I see like your show is everywhere. It's 7 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,840 ubiquitous as the it's you know, it's weird though when you're in it. 8 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,920 I'm like, if somebody tells still to this day seven years actually it's been 9 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,200 seven years I've had a show today, still says like I listen to your 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,280 show, I'm sort of like you do. Don't you feel like in podcasting 11 00:00:56,359 --> 00:01:00,159 it's so weird. You're in this vacuum and sometimes you have no sense of 12 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:06,439 like what's going on? Well I could see that yet, Yes, I 13 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:10,680 do feel that way. But one of the things that you should feel really 14 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:14,239 proud of is that I read the reddits, all the reddits, the reddit 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,159 threads, and your show is very respected, like there's no real controversy. 16 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,280 You know, people always think of you as somebody who gives really great interviews. 17 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,400 Fair interviews, you know has good takes on things like I've never heard 18 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,680 anybody be like, oh God, did you hear that problematic cake Casey take? 19 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,439 Like which a lot of podcasters get involved, you know what I mean 20 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,719 have I don't even like to use the word problematic because then that adds to 21 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:42,519 like this person got canceled. It's not like that, But I just mean 22 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:48,319 a lot of people have controversial or mean takes, and you never do. 23 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:52,879 Nobody ever says anything but positive things about your show. Well, that's nice. 24 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,319 I think part of it is that my life experience and then my professional 25 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:04,519 experience. In my personal life, I went to this boarding school for underprivileged 26 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:09,879 kids for high school. I think that opportunity really gave me a better worldview 27 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,039 and it made me way more empathetic and understanding. So I think I have 28 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,840 a good sense of even when I interview people that I'm just trying to hear 29 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:22,599 their personal story and where they're coming from. And then also in my profession, 30 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:29,879 my first chapter job was I did crisis media litigation for global law firms. 31 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:35,319 Because of it, i'm a little bit more apt to I think I'm 32 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,159 the person that you call in a cross I'm really good in a crisis because 33 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:44,280 of obviously that was my job to help corporations who had a client who was 34 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:47,479 facing like a major disaster, and it's like, as soon as there's chaos, 35 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,080 I immediately go to Zen. I wouldn't say that, like sometimes with 36 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,360 my own life, I'll be like, oh, what a shit show. 37 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,680 But then outside of that, like, I'm definitely person that you call when 38 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,639 you're facing some sort of issue you want to get a divorce, or you 39 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:07,800 know you've got some horrible issue with a friend or whatever it may be, 40 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,639 Like, I'm definitely the person to call. So I would hope that that 41 00:03:09,719 --> 00:03:14,280 kind of trickles into my show and maybe that people see that in me that 42 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,919 I do kind of try to look at it in a fair and balance view. 43 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,960 You also probably have a very good bullshit detector because of the fantastic Oh 44 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:25,960 yeah for sure. But then I also feel like crazy people love me because 45 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,840 I don't feel like I like, I don't react to them. I'm sort 46 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,680 of like okay. And I think it's because of my family of origin, 47 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:38,360 because my family are all lunatics. So I've talked about it on my show, 48 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,240 Like my dad, I didn't see him between two and thirty two, 49 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,159 had no idea where he was. He didn't even know if he was really 50 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,360 my dad, because we don't really look that similar, and he would only 51 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:52,759 say he had one daughter, referring to my older sister. And I've been 52 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,120 covering it for a couple of months now that when we were reunited, when 53 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,400 I was thirty two, and I was like, where the hell have you 54 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:03,800 been? He was very cagy and I've gone through this process of seeking documents 55 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:10,639 about his military experience and where he was in the specifically in the eighties, 56 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,959 and now I've reason to believe that he may have been a spy for Ireland 57 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,240 during the troubles. So I'm like always around Kukerberg crazy people, even like 58 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,120 at boarding school when kids would show up and their parents would show up to 59 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,879 take them out on visiting. I was fascinated by people, and while other 60 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,560 people were embarrassed by their parents, I was like, no, I have 61 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,879 to tell you, have to tell me everything, Like so wait, your 62 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,439 mom cheated on your dad and your aunt is on crystal math, and like 63 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:41,519 he's in prison and how long has he been there? Like I wanted you 64 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:45,800 to know everyone's personal story, so I don't get red that easy. Yea 65 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,560 too. But do you find too though that? And I know you do. 66 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:55,319 When you're really interested in people's like dysfunction, then I tend to attract 67 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,000 like borderline personalities like love. Oh yeah, I want to be the friends 68 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,519 with me and think that we're best friends. And people will also open up 69 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,839 to me like way too fast, too soon, Like I'll go have coffee 70 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:12,519 and they will be crying about some super personal thing and I'm like, I 71 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,279 didn't ask, like oh you know, and then I have to just be 72 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:17,560 like, oh my gosh, that sounds hard and I want to just get 73 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,240 away as fast as possible, well after I hear the dirty details. But 74 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:25,959 do you can you compart minalize well where you can turn it off and walk 75 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,920 away and never think about it again, or just that like yes. Sometimes 76 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,120 one time somebody was like, you're an mdpath. I was like, I 77 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,319 am not an EmPATH because I'm done with that conversation. I can move on 78 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:38,279 to the next thing, no problem. Yes, I am not an EmPATH 79 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:44,160 either, But I think that's what attracts us to reality shows because I absolutely 80 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:49,079 love reality TV and it's because I love to see, you know, the 81 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:55,920 neuroses and how it plays out and how people can handle it in front of 82 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,480 a camera, you know, and uh and just they're real person analies, 83 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:04,279 how they come out. So I hate it when somebody downplays reality TV, 84 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:06,560 like, oh, I just waste my brand brain cells. I'm like, 85 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,360 well, you're not interested in human behavior, right, I tell us we're 86 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:16,519 just all cultural anthropologists. I just like to study people. And that is 87 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,399 why the same kind of people watch reality shows, who watch true crime documentaries, 88 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,079 that watch sports docuseries, that it's all the same kind of person We 89 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:29,600 just like to study people. Yeah, I agree, Real Sports with Brian 90 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,439 Govell is a great show, great show, and it is exactly the same 91 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:38,560 thing we're talking about. It's human interest stories. I can never get enough 92 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,040 human interest stories. Yeah, me too. I'm dying to ask you, 93 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,800 like right off the bat about this one show and then well we can totally 94 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:48,519 get into the reality stuff. But there was something on your watch list things 95 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:54,759 you're watching that I watched kind of as homework to have you on our show, 96 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:59,720 but then I was blown away. But it's a documentary on Hulu called 97 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,040 Never Let Him Go. Four episodes. Yeah, I actually interviewed the brother 98 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:11,079 Steteve Johnson. Yeah, why haven't Steve and the director. That was a 99 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:15,160 great story. So for everyone who was listening, this brilliant man went to 100 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:20,600 Australia to study mathematics to get his PhD. And one night went out and 101 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,720 was found at the bottom of a cliff and he was naked when he was 102 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:31,040 found, and investigators presumed that it was just a suicide. However, at 103 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,160 the point where he would have fallen off the cliff, his clothes were folded 104 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:43,279 up into a pile. While his brother never took the idea of suicide seriously, 105 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,600 he was first. He was for sure that something else happened. So 106 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,399 he ended up selling his company to aol and made a ton of money and 107 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:57,120 then used some of that money as a resource to hire an investigative reporter from 108 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:03,040 Newsweek and put all reward money forward and a private and a private detective. 109 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Then because of it, thirty years later it was revealed that there were these 110 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,040 like gangs in Australia on the coast that were big bigots and they would push 111 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,920 gay men over cliffs, so essentially setting up a casual sex, you know, 112 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,199 meet up, and they would have them take their clothes off, fold 113 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:28,680 their clothes and then push them off cliffs. And ultimately, because of the 114 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:39,159 brother's work, he has been part of this complete movement in Australia to eradicate 115 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,159 bigotry. And it's Sydney in particular, near by where this happened, has 116 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,039 become this super friendly lgbqt uh city. I mean, they had like their 117 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,840 gay pride stuff is like on the world map, and I like to think 118 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,919 that the brother had a part of that in honor of his brother, but 119 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:01,159 it unthinkable that in the eighties there were these men that would do it. 120 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,320 So ultimately, at the end of the series, you see how the person 121 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,879 that did it actually confesses and how it all happened. So it's really kind 122 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:15,879 of like a true crime documentary meets social movement series. Which when I loved 123 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:20,559 about it, which I was telling Lynette on our Tuesday episode, was that 124 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:26,639 each episode, like because sometimes a document a docum series like that, you 125 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,039 can feel like, well, you could have probably wrapped this up in like 126 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:33,679 two episodes, but when you get to the third episode and we meet the 127 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:41,120 lady who's the Pamstone, who's this detective who's you know, like I'm the 128 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,200 only woman on like out of a hundred men who are on this team that 129 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,879 investigates, and she is just a beach beyond. And at first you're almost 130 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:54,240 on her side because you're like, oh, well, you know, this 131 00:09:54,360 --> 00:10:01,200 must be frustrating. And because Steve, the brother of the victim, you 132 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,639 know, is using his money, that his resources, he's well resourced, 133 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,639 so he's getting public scrutiny on this and he's getting it out onto what is 134 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,799 it called the story Australia. They have like a it's like their version of 135 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,080 sixty minutes, although Australia actually has sixty minutes, so it's like something by 136 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,279 the way, it's X. It's it's kind of better than ours. Yeah, 137 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 it's really good. That's really good. But anyway, you know, 138 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:30,000 it's this weird mislead where you start hearing about her and she's just awful, 139 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:35,279 Like she's just very frustrating and she's kind of working against him. And at 140 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,240 one point in the interview I was like, I have to bring this up 141 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,399 to Kate. When she starts laughing, she's being interviewed and she thinks it's 142 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,919 funny. She's kind of like, sorry, I hate to laugh, but 143 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:50,799 they catch her. Basically, it's kind of a gatcha moment because she's not. 144 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,679 She's like, I'm sorry, hold on, like, let me take 145 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,600 this again, Like I don't want to I don't want to laugh. I 146 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:00,120 mean, it's not really funny, but it's kind of funny that he thinks 147 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,480 that we should be paying attention to this crime, or he thinks he's so 148 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:07,039 sure it was homicide. It's like ridiculous, you know. Basically, she's 149 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,559 like, he's ridiculous, and she's working against him the whole time, and 150 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,879 she gets hers. She gets hers, and it's so satisfying because you know, 151 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,519 she keeps trying to act like Steve the Brothers a narcissist and like, 152 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:24,799 oh, he just wants to center himself in the story, which is not 153 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,399 true, right, And anybody that's ever fought for something like that is like, 154 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,519 that's so frustrating. Yeah, like that he's being Anyway, it's so 155 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,360 good. I highly highly recommend it. By the way, It's like one 156 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,120 of those episodes where I'm interviewing somebody and now I've been pulled into their life 157 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:41,639 and then I get to see at the end of the series that they had 158 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:46,600 some some small form of justice, and then I start getting emotional and then 159 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,919 they start getting emotional and I'm like, I just want to tell you, 160 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,960 you know, what you've done for your brother. It's like and then I'm 161 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,440 like, keep it together, Kate, because you get so sucked into the 162 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,840 stories and then you're you know, you're so happy for them that they were 163 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,840 tireless in their pursuit of justice. And there was another one that I interviewed 164 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:07,919 recently that it's called Burden of Proof and it's on Hulu, and it's a 165 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,080 man whose sister just disappeared one night. Disappeared. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 166 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,600 I interviewed that brother too, and then it was like then I was 167 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,679 up emotional about that one too. I was like, you know, I 168 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:26,039 just the love for your sister is so compelling to me. And you know, 169 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,679 anyway, and then I set him up with my friend who's a medium, 170 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,799 and then he did a reading for him. Yeah, he thought it 171 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,159 was his parents that got rid of his sister. At first he thought so, 172 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:39,840 and then as time goes on, he rethinks that right, right, 173 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,279 And then and then you have to unravel that you've been blaming your parents for 174 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:46,519 something, right, and then how do you how do you mend that relationship? 175 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,720 That's why I'm like, all this unscripted stuff to me is way more 176 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:54,960 interested than scripted stuff. I mean, it's just like all the layers. 177 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:58,399 Even if I watched like a housewife show and you know, grant, a 178 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,840 lot of it's getting stale. But sometimes there are these little gems where you 179 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,879 think you know somebody and then there's like a complete left turn and you're like, 180 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,440 oh, now that makes sense, right. I think that we're all 181 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:11,720 just trying to like put the puzzles pieces together. Yeah, Like my mom 182 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:16,960 would always love reading crime books, and then as I got older, I 183 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,320 went, oh, it's because her life is so unstable, like she feels 184 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,639 some sort of control of her life by trying to figure out who committed that 185 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:30,679 crime. Oh interesting. I just remember as a kid, I would get 186 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:35,159 we would get the La Times, and I was always reading about the crimes 187 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,759 going on in Los Angeles. Like I was drawn to you know, some 188 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:46,000 kid got kidnapped out a landcaster or whatever, the you know freeway killers or 189 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,919 you know, the Hillside strangler or the whatever. I was always so interested 190 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,120 and intrigued with the crime going on around us, like in the valley and 191 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,879 stuff. Yeah it was interesting, but yeah I wanted to talk to you. 192 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,480 You switching gears a little bit about the Housewives of OC. Yeah, 193 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:09,679 so something broke over this weekend about Shannon Badoor. I'm all pretty caught up. 194 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 But what do you know about Shannon? She I guess she got a 195 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,879 dui, which is pretty ironic. Yeah, I mean think what everybody else 196 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,399 knows is that she was arrested. She got a d oi. Apparently she 197 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:26,200 hit a house and she had her dog in the car too, and they 198 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,240 Yeah, so the neighbor apparently reported them. I think I think I drove 199 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:37,759 past her last week and now it's the school. My kids school is in 200 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,320 the same neighborhood that she was living then when we watched the film the show. 201 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,360 Actually now I'm pretty sure that was her, but though my friend told 202 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:48,000 me she had recently moved, so I'm assuming that it happened in the same 203 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:50,720 neighborhood, but I think she lives in different house. I will say this, 204 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:01,519 I think that it has been very easy for certain housewives to hide addiction 205 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:09,159 issues because the shows are less now about their personal stories, and they're about 206 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,600 scenes where they're all together and they're drinking together. So like, if you're 207 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:16,919 maybe somebody who's sober. I do think there's a question of, like is 208 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,080 there a space for you. Maybe not for every franchise, but certainly in 209 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Orange County in New York, you have two housewives now who I believe are 210 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,759 sober Uba and Jetta, and that doesn't really seem to change the dynamics of 211 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,320 the show. But I think for some of these legacy shows, and particular 212 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,159 in particular oh C. I mean, I'm friends with Bronwyn and she used 213 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:41,679 to during filming talk to me about that. I mean she'd say things like, 214 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:43,799 I just don't think I'm fun if I'm not drinking, So what am 215 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,000 I supposed to do? And I think that's kind of the old school real 216 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:54,399 housewive mindset. So I think anybody who watches that show has been concerned about 217 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,759 Shannon and whether there's a sobriety issue. And I would hope that if there 218 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,440 is an issue, that this may have been the wake up call that she 219 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:10,919 needed. Ultimately, How's Wives should be about complicated women, and they're complicated 220 00:16:11,039 --> 00:16:15,519 stories and their complicated intersection of their friendships. So I would hope that they 221 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:21,639 do at some point discuss it. And now I think she should go off 222 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,200 the show and get well, but they still should talk about it in terms 223 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,679 of like maybe like what do you do when you know a friend is struggling? 224 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,399 Like how difficult it is in female friendships that you know you have a 225 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:41,159 friend who's has an addiction issue, and like how that changes your dynamics. 226 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,639 I would hope that they did that, because to me, that's what makes 227 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,000 shows like that interesting. But like I said, I feel like they've gotten 228 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:52,519 a little bit more and I think they're understanding that now that it became like 229 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Survivor at a dinner table, right when it shouldn't be. It should be 230 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:02,679 like aren't we enough? Like just our interesting person stories Like a housewife's story 231 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,000 in Orange County should be the suburban story. It's totally different than a Beverly 232 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,960 Hill story. It's about women who are raising children and then all the things 233 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:14,039 that come with that, how competitive it is, or if you have a 234 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,839 child that's you know, neurotypical versus neurodivergent, and how that affects your friendships 235 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,200 and their friendships. They're all these little things. How do you deal with 236 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,640 like in laws and people in your neighborhood who don't have the same political beliefs 237 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,839 Like I think to that. To me, all that stuff's really interesting. 238 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,119 But I don't know. For some reason people think like someone screaming you across 239 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,160 the table and throwing a drink is more interesting. I beg to differ. 240 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,240 I take, let's take a quick break, and then I have more to 241 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:48,759 say about that too. I think just getting back to the substance abuse stuff, 242 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,119 like they they cast people that you know are going to have these issues. 243 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:00,359 I mean, Shannon Badore from her first season was they were is going 244 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,960 crazy? Remember the first season. I want to say, like the maybe 245 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:08,799 one of the first or second episodes that she was ever on she was screaming 246 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:14,319 and like out inner child, drunk at somebody's house and they were like gonna 247 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:18,359 call nine to one one. Yeah, that was like that was season one. 248 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,240 Yeah, you know. And the ones that aren't like that aren't like 249 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,799 that, you know. And you've got the ones in Beverly Hills. I 250 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,720 mean, you've got Ramona who's always seemed to like, You've got Lui Ane, 251 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,279 like, you have these people that act very, very altered, and 252 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,359 so I think one of the problems is when you have enough of them and 253 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,039 you don't have a grounding character who doesn't have this problem. It's very easy 254 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,079 to be like, well, who the fuck are you to tell me? 255 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,559 Like look at like who's gonna who's gonna do the intervention? You know in 256 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:55,440 Beverly Hills, like who's gonna you know, like each one of them takes 257 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,759 turns sort of getting sober, so who Like in New York it used to 258 00:18:57,799 --> 00:19:03,240 be almost common to watch them try to tell the other one like you're an 259 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,920 alcoholic, like you got so new Morgan who had a dui before she even 260 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,839 came on the show, you know, she'd she had a dui. I 261 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,440 think she's had two now, so because I know she got another one during 262 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:21,599 the time that like between seasons at one point not that long ago. So, 263 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:23,880 but who's gonna They're all gonna be like, oh my gosh, you 264 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,640 have a drinking problem. Who's going to tell her that? Lu Anne? 265 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,519 Like and also like it's like if if you and I were on OC, 266 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,000 we would say something like don't you think it's interesting that she uses like this 267 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:41,880 naturopathic organic lifestyle as a shield, like no one can bring this to her 268 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,880 attention because she's got like garlic clothes in the in the roof of her kitchen, 269 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,960 it's always going to doctor Moon. Yeah, yeah, doctor. She's 270 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,119 clearly using that as a shield. But also that would be an opportunity for 271 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,119 story for me too to explore, like is this amped up because now all 272 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,839 the kids are out of the house? Is she having an identity crisis? 273 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:08,279 Is she spiraling because she's not tethered to a child that you know, gives 274 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:14,519 her some sense of grounding. I don't know what there are a lot of 275 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:17,480 women that go through that like well, who am I now? What's going 276 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:21,480 on? And her boyfriend too, right, I mean, wasn't he accused 277 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:26,720 of a heavily drinking and always heard that? They both like that's the thing 278 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,559 that they have together, is like he's fun. We have fun together, 279 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,599 you know, right. I mean as people get older, it's like how 280 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,559 much is fun? Like it starts out maybe they have like two drinks together, 281 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,480 and then it's like we went out and we had fourteen drinks and you're 282 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,279 like, normal people don't have to have fourteen drinks, Like what is this 283 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,839 really about? But I think that oftentimes, especially in suburbia, where people 284 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:56,359 can use other excuses to kind of cover why they might be drinking that much 285 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:00,480 like all the divorce is really hard or I get this going on and there 286 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,119 are very few people sometimes in and I say, this is somebody who lives 287 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,519 here. I'm not originally from here. I live here. I often say 288 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:12,359 this is a perfect place for cons and it's a perfect place for people to 289 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:22,119 have like secret lives, because no one here really asks intrusive personal questions. 290 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,559 It's like a very people are more apt to ask you like how much did 291 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,519 you pay for your house? And do you have a boat? Versus like 292 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:32,519 it's so true, what are you struggling with now? And I find that 293 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,279 I'm a person who ask a lot of questions, and I'm always surprised at 294 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,319 how the reaction is often like why are you asking me so many questions? 295 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:44,400 That is why, like all the date lines are mostly set in Orange County, 296 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,519 because you can come here and you can make up a whole life and 297 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,000 no one's going to actually like cross reference stuff like I would, because no 298 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:55,920 one asked really in death questions like oh, and you're from Miami and you 299 00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,279 have a Lamborghini, and like where are your kids? And you know, 300 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,559 and then what was the name of your last business? And did it go 301 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,880 public? And like all of those questions no one asks. It's so true 302 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,319 because I just was watching because on HBO, well now it's called Max, 303 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,599 but there's all these true crime shows, and there was one called Evil Lives 304 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,440 Here and it's it's family members of people that have been arrested that have done 305 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:26,680 horrible things. And the first episode I watched was the sister of the mom 306 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:32,400 of the Turnip family that out of Paris with the twelve kids, yes, 307 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,880 the House of Horrors where they're being chained up and malnourished. So she was 308 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,319 their aunt, these kids's aunt, and they lived in Texas for a long 309 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,799 time, and all of a sudden, she wanted to start home schooling. 310 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,680 So they researched what state would be good where nobody nobody comes looking, especially 311 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:56,920 following up on homeschooling state of California. Surprise, surprise, So they moved 312 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,200 here. Yeah, they moved to Riverside County. Nobody question them, and 313 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:04,599 then it took years until a kid got, you know, the courage to 314 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,240 get out and go call nine one one. But it's so funny that you 315 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:12,160 say it, because it's true. It's like California, nobody nobody asks, 316 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,839 No, I'm from Philly. People will be like wait what wait? Where 317 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,920 did you go to school again? And then where did you work after that? 318 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,720 And we're like looking on LinkedIn as you're talking to us, right, 319 00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,200 yeah, like I I'll do I'll check for the receipts. Yeah right, 320 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Like so many people here, it's like then my company went public and then 321 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,039 I'm like, five minutes later, I'm like that doesn't sound right, sure 322 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,640 enough. It's like total bullshit. Although also a lot of people here there's 323 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,400 like a lot of family money and they're insecure about it, so they'll make 324 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,720 up some stupid tail that they take like makes them seem more important. It's 325 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,279 like, you know, just lean into whatever you are exactly right as my 326 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,480 as my husband's friend once told me, don't hang a light on it, 327 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,839 exactly exactly. So let me ask you this, how, okay, so 328 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,079 are you keeping up on all you have five children? What it's like? 329 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,200 What's the age range? Oldest is a freshman in high school and then I 330 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,279 have a sixth grade boy, a fourth grade girl, a second grade girl, 331 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,480 and a preschool girl. Oh my god, so four girls and one 332 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:17,000 boy? So how and you keep up on a lot of shows like are 333 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,839 you watching all the Housewives? I watch it all. I watch a lot 334 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,599 of true crime docs. I get a lot of screeners sent to me, 335 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:30,039 so that helps with weaving watching and researching and booking around their schedules in school. 336 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,160 I don't sleep a lot. It's just, you know, I've always 337 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,119 been like a weirdo who I don't need really more than five hours of sleep. 338 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,319 So we do a lot of stuff at night when the kids go to 339 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,640 bed. But I'm also just a really good multitasker. I just find pockets 340 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,039 of time. And the truth is this, I created this job. You 341 00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:52,119 know, when we were kids, people are like, find a job and 342 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:56,599 get paid for it. Like I truly did that. So it doesn't feel 343 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,680 like work to me, because this is what I would be doing anyway. 344 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,359 I want to be watching on these shows and looking people up and interviewing people 345 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,119 and talking to them and basically getting paid to do what I love. And 346 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,200 but in fairness, like I have to be honest, like because everybody in 347 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,720 the world has a podcast now, it has been freaking hard. I did 348 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,960 not. I was not a celebrity before. I was not on a reality 349 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:23,359 show. I created this myself, and you know a lot of people have 350 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,160 like producers, like it's all my own thing, and it's not easy. 351 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,440 But I will say, if you have a really great idea and you're willing 352 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,079 to put the work in, you know, I think podcast is fantastic. 353 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:40,279 Is your husband supportive? Yeah, I mean he has no idea what I'm 354 00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,799 talking about. He has a software company, so I don't know what he's 355 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:49,359 talking about either, so or happy to stay Yeah, yeah exactly. He 356 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:53,200 thinks I'm strange because I'm so fascinated by people, but I think he's strange 357 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,400 because he's so fascinated by like processes and software how things work. Yeah, 358 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,039 but it will say, oh my god, you're you're the clutch because I'll 359 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,519 go to a meeting and I remember everybody's name, the names of their kids, 360 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,319 where they live, like all that stuff. So I do come in 361 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,960 handy for him. And then I would say the same. But like, 362 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:18,920 our printer still doesn't work, So I don't know. I will say that 363 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,799 my husband, like when I tell him that the printer's not working. We 364 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,759 were just talking about this other other show where I'm just like, well, 365 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,799 I guess it's broken. I guess we My brain immediately goes, well, 366 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:33,079 I guess we need a new printer, because it says the paper's out, 367 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,799 but the paper's not out because it's not feeding it properly. And I'm like, 368 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,680 well, I don't know, how are you going to fix a feeder? 369 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,279 Like you're going to bring in the printer to be fixed. You just 370 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,279 get a new one, you know. And I tell John John, I 371 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,200 think the printer's broken, and he says it because it says it's out of 372 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,240 paper, and I'm like, yeah, but it's not out of paper, 373 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,799 seeing gotcha, it's broken. And then like the next day he's like, 374 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,039 the printer's fine, now I fixed it, And I'm like, I don't 375 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:00,720 know how you did that? Why I'm married? It's like he invents electricity. 376 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,319 I don't know how. How do you know? How do you know 377 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,519 the inside workings of He's like it was a paper jam, Like I mean 378 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,400 at the end, we really marry these and the end, did we really 379 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,000 marry them for romance? Or is it just to get the printer fixed? 380 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,079 You know? It's like I don't want to do the printer. So there 381 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,359 you go, right right, Well, what kind of software does he? 382 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:26,160 Is it anything that you're interested in? Uh? He makes the software for 383 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,759 doctors offices And yeah, actually we started dating and he came up with the 384 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,720 idea for the company. So it has been fun because I've kind of been 385 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,400 there from the beginning. I mean, we were sitting on the floor of 386 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,720 a Barnes and Noble trying to come up with company ideas. And yeah, 387 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,759 we hope that they just named it Unicorn status, but we haven't gone public 388 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,720 yet or anything. But but it's been really fun to feel like I've been 389 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:52,759 kind of been witnessed to this. Yeah, what I believe will be a 390 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,559 great business story, and I think he'll write a great book afterward. Already 391 00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,880 have the idea of the name of the book in my head. The kind 392 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,240 ceo, it's nice. He's such a nice person and people just love him 393 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,319 because he's so He really cares about culture, and I think, you know, 394 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,759 there are so many CEOs who get these have these ruthless personalities and reputations, 395 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,279 and I just don't think it's necessary. You can still be a kind 396 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,759 ceo. Yeah, yeah, like you on Musk. Yeah, when I 397 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,400 first some of my kids, some of my kids are like him, but 398 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,799 then some of them are more Philly like me. Yeah. I when I 399 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,000 first started in Chowviz, the CEO of our company was the nicest guy. 400 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,480 I mean he was writing It was a small company, but he was writing 401 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,640 checks at Christmas time like how what what do you you know? What what's 402 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,279 your three months? Not like how much do you owe on your car payments? 403 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,160 Like or and you're this and you're that, And he would write us 404 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240 a check and say Marry Christmas. And it was just like the nicest, 405 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,799 sweetest guy. And I always thought to myself like, yeah, like that's 406 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:59,359 that was my introduction to what a CEO should be instead of, you know, 407 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,960 the opposite, just insane. It is possible too, because like it 408 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,759 is like talk show hosts, you know, people are like, oh, 409 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,920 they're all the same. No, Ellen was horrible, terrible. Linna and 410 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,279 I would talk about we were trying to warn our audience about Ellen. We 411 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,079 both knew stuff about her. Wait years before people when people were like America's 412 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,480 sweetheart, she's so funny, before there was a Twitter feed about it. 413 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Yeah, we already knew. And my friend Chris is the one that started 414 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:33,880 that Twitter thing. Oh, Chris Farah a great comedian. She had this 415 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,799 weird experience waiting tables with her and right she complained nail polish thing. Yeah, 416 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,599 and it was my friend Chris Farah Yeah, wow, oh wow, 417 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:48,000 she's hysterical. I have a very good friend who worked there, very who 418 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,759 had a high up and would tell and we were raising our kids together and 419 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,759 she would tell I mean, she would just tell me stories like every day 420 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,240 about working there, like crazy stories like they're I allowed to make eye contact. 421 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,440 Like but years before, when everybody was like, oh my god, 422 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:07,720 she's the greatest, and I would have to hear about it. So when 423 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,359 it came out, I was like, not, you know, oh wow, 424 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,640 this is finally out. But Kelly Clarkson nicest, nicest, nicest reputation. 425 00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:22,079 She's so kind, the same hairdresser gives money like get her own money, 426 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,039 spends her own money on our staff to give bonuses like the real deal. 427 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,920 We'll remember when she was a contestant on American Idol went to the it 428 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,359 was just down to earth. Yes, oh yeah. I read this one 429 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,559 time. I read this Harvard Business Review article and it was basically saying that 430 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,319 who you are as a CEO or really anybody in business or whomever you are 431 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,200 kind of really it's set by the relationship you have with your own father. 432 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,240 Like there's a connection to it. So they said that that that people who 433 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:03,119 have CEO or they have fathers are very loving and supportive typically then become very 434 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:08,480 loving and supportive CEOs, but that people who had abandoned based abandonment, like 435 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:15,640 myself, or they use like Barack Obama and a few others as examples, 436 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:19,599 they tend to try to overachieve because they're trying to impress a father that will 437 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,039 never give a shit about them. Basically, so like for me, and 438 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,839 I think you've been witnessed to that even the beginning of this episode, Like 439 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,480 you're like, isn't your show big? I think it's small because in my 440 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,519 brain, I'm always trying to work to impress a dad who will never give 441 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,720 me the acknowledgement that I want. Wow, it makes a lot of sense. 442 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:47,039 I think we've done. We've healed you though so far, so moving 443 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,119 forward, you know, Lenette and I just have this magical thing talk and 444 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,720 full circle. No, we talk about that though a lot too. Like 445 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,400 I mean, I have had some shit in my past, and I think 446 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,759 not maybe not as a CEO, because I'm not a CEO of anything, 447 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:09,640 but like as a parent, I definitely have over compensating, like overly nice, 448 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,759 like so worried about my kids being mad at me or hurting anybody's feelings 449 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,359 or you know, just trying to be make Christmas the greatest Christmas ever, 450 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:22,759 that's ever Christmas because you know, had a shitty childhood, and I had 451 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,640 a dad that was very loving, and I had a crazy nut job mom. 452 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,119 But my dad was always over compensating from my crazy mom, and it 453 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,599 was very supportive and very loving. And then I would say, like I 454 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,759 was a good boss to Klin, Right, Klin stories, thank you. 455 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,759 I Meanwhile, he's smoking in the corner, shaking with a bottle of whiskey. 456 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,240 I would say, Lynnette, rarely ever hits Kalin, And I think 457 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,319 that's I'll throw anything. I deserved it that one at one time. But 458 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,960 it was called a corrective, you know. So you didn't do that behavior 459 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,480 here again. You learned put him in his place, all right. So 460 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,039 let's ask let me ask you this for me and Linette. Yeah, Heather 461 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,799 Debra, where Heather Debra stands? Are you if you're gonna have to pick 462 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,920 somebody from the O C that you're like that you like? Do you like 463 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,960 Heather? You mean for the show from Yeah, from the cast. Yeah, 464 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,759 I think that there are not enough of her. I think it doesn't 465 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:28,759 work because there's only one of her, and I feel like her her persona 466 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:35,000 is so specifically where I live, like over more towards the coast. She 467 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,640 represents the woman who has almost so much money they don't know what to do 468 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:45,960 with it, and that they cannot calibrate for somebody calibrate to like have a 469 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:52,000 normal conversation with someone who has struggles that are way beneath their socioeconomic level. 470 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,079 And I feel like there should be more of her. Does that make sense? 471 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,119 Yeah? Yeah, I mean I can't have likes. It doesn't work 472 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,000 for me because for two reasons. One, I just don't I know living 473 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:12,159 here that people are lazy about friendship and it's like, unless you're in town, 474 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,639 they don't work that hard. They just don't. So the idea of 475 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,079 someone in San Clemente being friends with someone in Crystal Cove and then like Ladera 476 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,400 Ranch and then like that would never happen. The other thing is the one 477 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:28,599 story that is never really told on that shows how impossible it is to break 478 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,880 into social groups as an outsider, because it's like, if you did you 479 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,679 grow up here did you go to USC? Are you in the sorority? 480 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,880 And the people kind of hang out in groups and then they all go on 481 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,480 trips together, and it's entree into social groups is so hard as an outsider, 482 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,960 and I don't feel like they really get that story. So a lot 483 00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,440 of the snobbiness that exists here, I just don't think you can rely on 484 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,960 just how the debro to tell that story. Well, one of the things 485 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,800 I found, because I'm pretty caught up on the OC was everybody seems to 486 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,639 be picking on Heather this season and and and then it's like Tamra seems to 487 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,360 be the troublemaker and pointed out, I think it's it's a it's a power 488 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,840 shift, it's a power dynamic because last season they were so annoying because they 489 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,920 all had to kiss Heather's ass because there was this perceived power that she had, 490 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,000 like she was almost like a producer. There's always one that they think 491 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:27,119 they have, like producer power, which they really don't, so they were 492 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,920 all like kissing her ass. So then Tamra comes and Heather seems a little 493 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,480 bit afraid of Tamra because she's so bold and all of that. So I 494 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,440 think they were kind of relieved and they're like, oh, for fuck's sake, 495 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,360 now we can actually like, do you know, be who we really 496 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,320 want to be. But if we're sick of because she's very condescending to them, 497 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,519 yeah she is. She is like they wouldn't put up with that for 498 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,199 more than one season. But there's but they're bad people, but they're where 499 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:58,840 there's scenes where she's saying, like Heather is saying like, you know, 500 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,719 they're like, uh, what's her face is talking about? You know, 501 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,239 don't talk about my boyfriend and don't bring him up, and uh, what's 502 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,079 her name? The one that got the d Uiannon Shannon Shannon door. So 503 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,880 she's saying, like Heather's talking about you know, what's in the vault? 504 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,960 The vault they keep saying, and it's like then they showed the flashback and 505 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:21,280 Heather did not do that. She actually shut it down. She was like, 506 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:23,199 yeah, you know, I actually know, so I can't wait for 507 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:30,159 the reunion. So shannondo, yeah, and you know, you get mad 508 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,920 because it's like you're on episode twelve and you're like, oh, for fuck's 509 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,239 sake, let's just go, right, I know, let's go. Let's 510 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,039 yeah, let's get let's get Andy Cohen and I don't what. I the 511 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:45,119 reason I don't watch those see so I'm not even up on it is because 512 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,239 a couple of seasons ago I had to start boycotting it because Tamra's when Tamra 513 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,360 came back, because her stupid son, who's just a criminal, I mean, 514 00:36:54,440 --> 00:37:00,599 the domestic batteries, Ryan Vai vote vaf, I mean, who cares 515 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,159 what his last name is? Is he that important that we're saying if you 516 00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:10,000 google him and you google he's made some atrocious rants about murdering trans people. 517 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,559 I mean, he literally said that trans people should be murdered and he hopes 518 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:20,280 they get murdered. And then he had another thing that was like against a 519 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,639 mom of a trans child that he was saying, it's disgusting. And then 520 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,840 Tamra got involved and was like, you know, agreeing, like yeah, 521 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,840 that's disgusting. And then Tamra had to kind of apologize and go, I 522 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,239 didn't really quite understand what he was talking about, and I don't. I 523 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,639 don't necessarily agree with my son's views, but here's the thing. He and 524 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:44,840 then he was arrested for domestic battery of his baby mama Pops up on the 525 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,840 show, and right, this show about women, and where I have to 526 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,000 watch some thirty year old who's like a horrible human being, not interested, 527 00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:59,800 never happens like a terrorist with his show. And why is it Andy Cohen 528 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,000 allow putting him on the show and paying him he's in full on scenes. 529 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,000 I don't think he gets paid. I will say that. I think I 530 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,280 don't know. That's a good question. I think I think a lot of 531 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,719 people that they add to the show make no sense. Right, Well, 532 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,559 I don't understand why. And then why the Heather, like you know, 533 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,239 when she saw the sun, she was like, oh, how are you 534 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,639 doing? I haven't seen you in a long time? When she's got a 535 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,559 trans trans child, Well again, that's like why don't we and we explore 536 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,960 That's what's interesting to me, Like what do you do when your friend has 537 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:37,519 a child who is vehemently against the values that your family has? Like why 538 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,719 isn't that enough storytelling to me? Like why don't we explore that? Instead? 539 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,239 It's like let's have them go to a duffy boat and get wasted, 540 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,800 Like this is not really like what female stories are really interesting? Like why 541 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,199 are we not covering that? I don't know. I wish I was executive 542 00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:57,960 producer. Wouldn't it be nice? Oh? It would be great. I 543 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,880 mean kill it. Do you have any other shows or stuff that you're watching 544 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,880 that we should all watch? Okay, so I have a couple of recommendations. 545 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,039 Okay, So did you guys watch Jury Duty? Okay? Good? 546 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,039 So Jury Duties definitely a recommendation on Amazon Prime. Have you ever watched Vatican 547 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,960 Girl on Netflix? No? No, okay. Vatican Girl is about a 548 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,920 girl who disappeared in from Vatican City in the eighties. She was on her 549 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,840 way to a flute lesson. Her father worked for the Vatican as one of 550 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,840 the employees so they could live within the Vatican City. She disappears. She's 551 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,519 never comes home, and the people in Vatican City and her family have been 552 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:43,199 tis tireless and they're pursuit to find out what happened. Well, fast forward, 553 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,639 there were the WEEKI Leaks or the Vatican Leaks was part of like a 554 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,079 like a leaking of Vatican documents, and in it they found that there were 555 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:58,599 at least I think fourteen pages of what looks like costs associated with like this 556 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:05,320 girl's care for like years after she disappeared, and there was an address that 557 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,079 was associated with it, and this reporter within the series finds out it's like 558 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:14,760 a hostel, like a youth hostel in England run by the Catholic Church. 559 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,400 That compiled with some other things, you're like, did the Catholic Church have 560 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,320 a hand in what happened to this girl? And then also where is she? 561 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,800 So there's that. Another great one and was a little bit from a 562 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,199 couple of years ago, but it's a great story. It's called The Lost 563 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,880 Sons and it's on Discovery. Plus this story is insane, by the way. 564 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,280 I've covered all these, like the Vatican one I have like an Italian 565 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,159 journalist. We do a whole episode about it. Wow. The other one 566 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,719 that you guys are going to be obsessed with is called The Lost Sons. 567 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,280 So in nineteen sixty four, this little boy named Paul fron Zac is born 568 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:53,199 in a Chicago hospital and his mother, Dora, is exhausted like all new 569 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,360 mothers are. There is a woman who's dressed up as a nurse, going 570 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,239 door to door and saying to each new mother the doctor needs to do more 571 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,480 tests on the baby, and none of them hand over the baby to this 572 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,320 nurse until she gets to Dora fronz X room, so she's exhausted and she 573 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,920 hands the baby over. The woman leaves the hospital, never be seen again. 574 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920 It's the reason they are the pink code bracelets and hospitals. So a 575 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,639 year later, there is a little boy found outside of a strip mall in 576 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,800 Atlantic City and stroller and he's got some bruising on his face. So the 577 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,760 authorities there call Chicago and the FBI and say, we found this little boy. 578 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,519 So they send the fron z X the picture of the little boy and 579 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,320 they're like, we think this could be your son. Well, when he 580 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,440 was born, they only got like a picture, black and white picture and 581 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:44,000 like, but they didn't get his blood type or anything else. So they 582 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:45,679 looked at the ear size, which is insane, and they're like, oh, 583 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,519 that must be our son. So they take him home. They are 584 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,719 raising him as Paul fron Zach. Well. He can't go over the fact 585 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,639 that he looks nothing like his relatives. And when he's about ten, he 586 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,400 pulls a couch back from the wall and there's a box filled with newspaper clippings 587 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,039 about a kid that boy, and he goes to his mother and asks, 588 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,400 is this about me? And she says, don't ever ask me about it 589 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,039 again. As an adult, he gets them to do a DNA swap. 590 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:14,960 He's not their son. So The Lost Sons is about where in the world 591 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:20,000 is Paul fronzach And then the other part of it is him finding out through 592 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,840 like twenty three and me his identity and he finds out that he's a twin 593 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,039 and where it is his twin and what is his story? This one will 594 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,119 make you sweat. You will be screaming at the TV. You're going to 595 00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,559 be like, what is going on? Those two are fantastic true crime doctor 596 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,800 hell yes? And then out and then you can listen to my interviews with 597 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,920 Paul Fronzac. Oh wow, yeah, the real Paul fron Zac and then 598 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:53,400 also the journalist, the Italian journalist who was executive producer of Vatican Girl. 599 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,280 How do you find these people? Do you just hit him up on Instagram 600 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,599 or do you and like just like yeah, everything I look up LinkedIn is 601 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,639 fantastic. I'm like, who do you? Who? Do I know? 602 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,039 It's it's like always a game to me of like how do I get to 603 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:12,639 that person? And they seem like yeah, they seem to be willing to 604 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480 sit down and talk to you, which is yeah. I think also they 605 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:20,400 look at the episodes I've done. I mean I've interviewed Amanda Knox for example. 606 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,199 They're like, this is somebody who really is interested in story and I 607 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:29,159 and I do a ton of research and I'm very respectful of the art of 608 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:35,880 unscripted filmmaking. So did you interview in Natalia Grace? I interviewed the executive 609 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,760 producer. You did. Wow, Yeah, here's what kills shake. Yeah, 610 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,599 we need to take a quick break. Okay, here's what killed me 611 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:52,239 about Natalia Grace was they they had there's a there's a moment in one of 612 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,840 the episodes where you find out that like Natalia Grace was a child, you 613 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:05,280 know, through the through the birth records, et cetera. But then I 614 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,679 don't think they hit it hard enough. They didn't have enough people going okay, 615 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,360 so this is settled business, like she was a child. So then 616 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,239 you go on like Reddit threads and whatever, and people are like, I 617 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,599 don't know, was she a child? And you're like, it's that's literally 618 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,800 factual, Like they yes, that's not even in question. So moving on 619 00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,599 to other things that were fucked up, But like what you know what I'm 620 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,960 saying, Like the whole thing it felt unfinished. Yeah, it wasn't addressed 621 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,039 well enough. But I interviewed her before it started, and I remember being 622 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,840 very frustrated because I would ask her, well, didn't anybody notice like the 623 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,840 pubic hair, and the answers were like, well, I don't know, 624 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,079 what would you think? And I'm like, you meet the fucking film, 625 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,119 like you tell me right, And then I tried to circle back afterwards, 626 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,719 and I was sort of ghosted, So I don't know, maybe I just 627 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,400 I just remember at the beginning of it. It's like I remember when I 628 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,400 was watching it, and you know, it's so crazy because that dad is 629 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,599 just like unhinged crazy and you so right away you're like, Okay, well 630 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,280 this this is an unreliable narrator. And now the mom's and unrela that you 631 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,079 know, you're like, what's happening. But I remember going, well, 632 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,920 there's no question that she was a child because she has baby teeth. Like 633 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,800 you're looking at the photo of her and you go, well, she has 634 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,079 baby teeth. It's not until like a couple episodes later that the one woman 635 00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:28,920 who's like a legal expert is like, yeah, she has baby teeth. 636 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,280 She had baby teeth, she was a child. You can't fake that, 637 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,239 like you you you're not you don't get to be. There's no cases where 638 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,559 somebody is, you know, in the a teenager or whatever and they don't 639 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,360 have baby, they have baby teeth still. So that's that was. That 640 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,360 was before they ever got to the hospital records and actually talking to the actual 641 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,440 mom and the you know what I'm saying, the birth certificate at the hospital 642 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,639 records when she was born, et cetera. But it was it was just 643 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:59,119 so weird that they focused on the wrong thing for so long, which I 644 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,679 think was why the executive prosuers like, well, I don't know, because 645 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,760 they wanted it to be this thing where people are like, right, oh 646 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,599 no, it's a question. It's like, no, it's not a question. 647 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,880 And that was when you that was unlike most interviews, I don't have 648 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,119 that, but not one in particular was quite frustrating. But also so was 649 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:19,280 the series so right. And when you're watching a documentary, you think, 650 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,039 oh, it's a documentary, I'm going to get all the facts, but 651 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:28,079 you really kind of some documentaries are molded to where they fit the narrative of 652 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,480 what they're trying to say. Well, they they so badly wanted it to 653 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:36,239 be. I think a lot of document series and documentaries are trying to be 654 00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:40,840 like jinxed, right, So they want there to be this hah, this 655 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,519 twist, this moment where you're like which they did with Natalia Grace with the 656 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,840 moment on the stairs where you where it's like, oh, the hot mic 657 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,760 and this they kind of admit to kicking her down the stairs, and they 658 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,679 thought that was going to be this like wow, there there you go, 659 00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,800 that's the big moment. It's like, not really, because we already know 660 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,800 that you're super abusive, that this is insane and this is a horrible thing 661 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,599 that happened to the I don't know. I feel like it was it was 662 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,599 too much. It was crazy and I was riveted every moment, but it 663 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,760 was too much like that, oh yeah, yeah, to see what we 664 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,000 did here, it's like, yeah, but there's an actual person involved in 665 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,400 this that you were. It was very exploitive to me. Yeah, I 666 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,159 agree with you. It was totally unfinished. But I'm sure that they're going 667 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,360 to do some other thing in the future. Maybe you'll get the answers. 668 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,480 I don't know. If I'm sticking around for the answers. But all right, 669 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,920 so we got Vatican, Vatican Girl, Yeah, Vatican Girl, and 670 00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:40,679 The Last Sons. One of the things I wanted to ask you, I 671 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,719 don't watch the show, but from what I'm hearing, Sister Wives is falling 672 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,000 apart at the seams. Sister or no Sister Wives. Now is the time 673 00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:53,639 to watch that kind of hearing. You're finally seeing women understand their own power 674 00:47:53,800 --> 00:48:00,880 and lead this raman headed loser of it such I So it's it's like a 675 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,719 payoff for people that have been fascinated by the inner workings of this polygamy adjacent 676 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,239 family right for all this time, and now that's what's satisfying, is that 677 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,639 you're finally seeing them go like I'm gonna leave. And then this one in 678 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:22,800 particulars like I interviewed the one that left Christine right and it was just awesome 679 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,480 because she's like, what was I thinking? And you know what, I'm 680 00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,920 gonna go out. I'm gonna find love. And now she's gonna get married 681 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,159 to somebody else who's like, awesome, Oh my god, that's amazing. 682 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:36,679 Because I've seen little bits and pieces I've heard somebody one of the Wives got 683 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,800 duped and catfished and had an emotional effect. But it's funny because you look 684 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,199 at all the ads for the Sister Wives from past seasons. It's been on 685 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,199 for so long, and they're just like all walking around, you know, 686 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,559 in the hills together with Sunshine. Now you go to like Discovery Channel the 687 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:58,639 Sister Wives and it's like lightning and like, you know, everybody's upset except 688 00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:04,440 from Happy. They're finally acknowledging that it was all pretty bullshit behind it, 689 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,599 he seems, and you're like, well, no shit, Sherlock. So 690 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,679 it's it's very satisfying for the viewer. Okay, so now's the time to 691 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,159 watch, now's the time to watch. Interesting. So you're watching all these 692 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,239 crime thing Did you watch the I watched it first, Sports Documents too. 693 00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,320 I'm a sports person, so I watch a ton of sports stuff too. 694 00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:30,800 Oh I'm a super big sports person. I really at everything anything and Unstripped. 695 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,079 I watched, Yes, except I don't like Love after lock Up. 696 00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,000 I'm sorry, I can't do that. A ninety day fiance not so much 697 00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,719 anymore. But everything else I pretty much watch. Yeah, what about The 698 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,039 Bachelor? Yeah, I watch it. It's kind of boring. But I 699 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,800 just don't think it's able to stay fresh and new in an age where you've 700 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,239 shows like f Boy Island. I mean, you got to keep it fresh 701 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,719 and edgy, and it's too saccariny for a you know, twenty years twenty 702 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,920 plus years is kind of boring. So what about Bachelor in Paradise Because we're 703 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,199 trying to that'll be good, that'll be good, rosy. So we're Bachelor 704 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,480 in Paradise for sure, but like the actual, like there are twenty five 705 00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:14,000 of us and we're in a prom gown and you know, I'm sorry, 706 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,199 can I have some time with you? It just doesn't love anymore in the 707 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,880 still for a minute edgie, Yeah, it really doesn't, which is why 708 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,679 it's just a little plug for Rose Pricks. We I think Cecily and I 709 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,000 are one of the few Bachelor podcasts that is just taking the piss out of 710 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:34,440 them, Like we're just making fun. We're pretty much making fun of it. 711 00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:38,119 I Mean people get upset because anybody that watches it earnestly, but like 712 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,599 that's on you if you're watching it earnestly at this point and thinking people are 713 00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:46,679 there to find love. The audience is I think the audience is either like 714 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:52,760 sixty year old women or fourteen year old women. I'm not kidding you, 715 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,360 because I was. I'm friends with a person who was a contestant made it 716 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,880 quite far, and he was telling me like, my dms are from girls 717 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,239 that are really young. And then I remember I put out I was interviewing 718 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,920 them, and I asked, you know, I'm going to interview him if 719 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,519 there are any questions you want me to add, And it was like, 720 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,920 can you ask him in this astrological signs? Like women professional women are like 721 00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,599 do you have an arrest record? Do you ever retire? Like those things. 722 00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:21,079 It's all very like it's very young girls. And then like older women 723 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,599 like to watch it with their maybe they're younger kids or maybe I don't know. 724 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,599 It's just well, you're doing the right thing by covering a lot of 725 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,880 content because we're kind of stuck with Like even my sister in law, who 726 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,159 used to be a big listener of rose Pricks was like, yeah, me 727 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,679 and my friends like they used to have I mean they were the target audience. 728 00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,920 They would have watching parties, like every week they would all get together 729 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,679 with the girlfriends and make their appetizers like them Bachelor themed appetizers, and she 730 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,039 was like, oh, yeah, we stopped watching like four seasons ago. 731 00:51:52,599 --> 00:52:00,199 Yeah, like, bitch, you can still do you do rose Pricks about 732 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,320 any dating show? Yeah? We yeah, we do. We've covered like 733 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,079 we covered Love is Blind, We cover Love is Blind. Now we covered 734 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,719 and just like that the second season of the and just like that, which 735 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,840 is not a dating show, but it's a it's Sex in the City, 736 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,519 the reboot of Sex in the City that we've been making fun of. Yeah, 737 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,480 you could still do it if we're finding our place, It's okay. 738 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,519 Yeah. So how often does your show come out? Six times a week? 739 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,760 Monday's Monday's my what to watch episode and I break it that down, 740 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,760 and then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday or interviews, and then Saturday. 741 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,440 I have a Saturday series where I tell more on my personal story but 742 00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,920 also interview really interesting people. Actually, I think Saturday's episode's gonna be Ronnie 743 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,320 from Watch What Crappens like their personal story, what makes their unique story interesting. 744 00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,519 That's very nice. You know, Ronnie's my friend. You came on 745 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,559 our show when I was doing rose Pricks with Ronnie and spoiled the ending of 746 00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:58,400 the Bachelor. I know, I'm fel bad about that I did. Ronnie 747 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,480 was just like, what the fuck? Like, I know, I know, 748 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,800 I'm fine, And you were like, oh, I thought everybody like 749 00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,320 finds out the ending ahead of time. You're like, well, we liked 750 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:13,559 to watch every episode Evergreen. Yeah, wow, that was bad. That's 751 00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:17,880 funny. Who cares where weekend? So you want to plug Instagram? You're 752 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,480 sure. So you can listen to Reality Life with Kate Casey anywhere where you 753 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,719 listening to podcasts. You can join the Facebook group Reality Life with Kate Casey. 754 00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,559 I've got Patreon obviously for bonus episodes. The must watch list you can 755 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,199 sign up for every Monday. You get it in your inbox what to watch 756 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,199 each week at Kate Casey dot substack dot com. And then you can find 757 00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,679 me on Twitter at at Kate Casey, Instagram at Kate Casey c A, 758 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:45,039 and on TikTok at It's Kate Casey. Nice. Yeah, this has been 759 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:49,960 funk. You for having appreciate it, Thank you for coming. And now 760 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,159 you have to review something and come on my show. I would love it. 761 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,920 I'll give your homework and then you come out and then you and then 762 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,440 you were a bit apart. I love it. Well, I'm happy to 763 00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,960 do it. I mean, off of your recommendation. I watched the Never 764 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,199 Let Him Go and freaking loved it so awesome. I don't think I would 765 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,239 have went and found that if it wasn't for awesome. Yeah, yeah, 766 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,760 I can't wait. Well, now you have to tell me what you think 767 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,000 of Vatican Girl and the Lost Suns. Okay, absolutely, I'm excited. 768 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,920 I done and done. Report back. Okay, thanks so much, Gay, 769 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:30,480 thank you, thank you, Bye bye, letting Go