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Is Mark Sokel. He is the
founder of both Falcon Space as well as

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APEC, and today we're going to
be talking about some of his scientific work

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and some advanced propulsion. Hey,
Mark, welcome, Welcome to the podcast

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here today. How are you doing. I'm doing okay, Thanks for having

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me. Yeah, So I think
just let's get right into it. First

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thing I want to ask about is
you know both Falcon Space as well as

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APEC. Can you give us a
little bit of history around your experience as

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an engineer and why you started these
organizations and what their purpose is. Okay,

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So, for those who know,
APEX is the Alternative Propulsion Engineering Conference,

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not to be confused with the Age
of Pacific Economic Confederation or whatever that

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is, which is usually what you
find online. So I have a background

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in your self engineering, started a
business refurbishing hybrid batteries, and then through

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various research, you know, going
diving down the rabbit hole, I figured

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out that UFOs are real extraterrestrials are
you know, visiting the planet Earth,

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And that there's this technology cover up
that's been going on that coupled and coincided

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with the twenty seventeen New York Times
article about a tip that showed that the

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Pentagon was looking into this. So
although there has been you know, people

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who've looked into this research before and
we're you know, we're quieted out,

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somehow they were either brought out or
put six feet under. I felt that

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because of the New York Times article
and the Pentagon looking into this again,

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it's probably a safe time to give
this another shot. So I started the

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research on my own, just in
my spare time. It became an interest,

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then it became a hobby, and
it went from becoming a hobby to

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becoming a passion, and then from
becoming an obsession a passion, it went

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to becoming an obsession. But I
was literally obsessing over this, trying to

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figure out how these craft work,
How am I going to do this?

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You know what parts do we need? You know what experiments can we run.

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I started meeting up with other people
who had similar interests. There are

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other people out there, and from
there it actually we found people with money

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who were willing to fund us.
So I was able to close down my

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battery business and I saw full time
to this, and coincidentally, like the

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pandemic came around and that the premiere
anti Gravity conference at the time would have

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met in person in SD's Park,
Colorado, but because of the pandemic,

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it didn't and there was a Zoom
conference call instead, and we were supposed

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to speak over there to show off
what we were working on. That didn't

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end up working out, and I
realized that, you know, this conference

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went over so well on Zoom,
I might as well just do one myself

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on Zoom's just an email list in
a Zoom account. There's really nothing to

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it. And we got in touch
with Tim Ventura, American Anti Gravity because

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he was the only person I could
find online who's actually ever, you know,

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managed or organized people who would speak
on this topic before. And his

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advice was just to go mellow,
keep things easy. It's like hurting cats.

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You got to get everyone excited about
it first and they'll come to you.

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Open the tuna and I'll come.
So that's kind of what we did.

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And it's been about three years.
There's been I don't know, like

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sixty or so conferences already with over
one hundred and fifty speakers. We pretty

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much got almost every speaker that was
willing to talk about this topic related to

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the field on Apeck. At some
point or another. Yeah, like,

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if anyone's in the sield and hasn't
heard of Apek, then they must be

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living under a rock at this point. So let me ask you know,

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you dug right into the UFO thing, And that was one of my questions

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I was going to ask you,
which is, what are your thoughts on

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UFOs in general? Can you elaborate? I mean I also came to a

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conclusion when the New York Times article
came out twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

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that there's something going on here and
started to look into it. What was

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your kind of awakening? What are
your opinions on the UFOs? And you

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know, you said that there's a
cover up. What convinces you if there

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being a cover up? How deep
you think it goes? And I guess

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maybe on a broad level, like
what does disclosure mean to you? Okay,

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well, I want to take this
in a different direction. There's the

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the Fermi paradox, right of how
likely is it that we're going to come

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in contact with aliens. There's a
bunch of different parts to the equation how

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big the universes, stars, planets, liverball, But there's one thing that's

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missing that is binary, and that
is, is FTL faster than light travel

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possible? Is there some way of
tricking known science and allowing for faster than

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light travel? We know that certain
particles travel faster than light, and the

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answer to this really is a binary
question. It could either be yes or

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it could either be no. There's
no middle ground here. If FTL travel

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is possible, that means that Earth
has probably been already visited by extraterrestrials,

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It's probably been terraforms by extraterrestrials,
and we are probably there progeny in some

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form of another, which most religions
today say something like that that you know,

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we're the sentence of these gods or
whatnot, beings that came from the

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heavens. But if it's the other
way around it, if it's not possible

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to have faster than light travel,
than the universe is a very lonely place.

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Probably we're not going to really get
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is attainable, but we're not going
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So it's really answering that one binary
question, is faster than light travel possible?

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That I think is the key.
It's the technology that's the key.

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They're not hiding U Frosen aliens because
they don't want us get because they're afraid,

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you know, that we're going to
quit our nine to five and go

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crazy that there's gray aliens out there. They're afraid of the technology that's out

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there that will make the F thirty
five, you know, phantom jet obsolete.

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That's what they're worried about. And
how deep does the cover up go?

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Okay, First of all, it's
not really a government cover up as

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far as I can tell. It's
more of a military industrial complex. So

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think back to nineteen forty seven Roswell. Something definitely happened there, and it

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was during the Cold War, the
beginnings of the Cold War. Aliens literally

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landed live aliens landed crashed right outside
the only nuclear base on the planet.

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Radar advanced radar was involved in taking
down that craft, and we'll get to

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that in a bit. And here
we had this technology and the military did

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the you know what seemed logical at
the time. The first they wanted to

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disclose it to the world, and
then they realized, no, we've got

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to keep this secret, and they
handed it off to the military industrial complex.

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The smartest minds of the time,
people who were most advanced in the

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in the relative technologies in order to
figure out how to reverse engineer it.

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And the rumor mill has it that
in about summer of nineteen fifty four,

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so that's about seven years later,
they actually achieved the first ARV or alien

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reproduction vehicle. That's a craft that
can you achieve some sort of anti gravity

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effect pountless propulsion system using only man
made materials. And since then there's been

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more and more of them. There
has been visits, I believe of extrarestrials,

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but a lot of the craft we're
seeing in the sky today are terrestrially

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made, so in terms of faster
than light, in terms of faster than

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like communication or travel. So do
you believe that it is possible then?

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I mean you said it is a
yes or no? Are you still trying

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to determine or do you think that
all this kind of lines up to that

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being the case? I believe that
I believe that it is possible. Yes,

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And how would you what would your
how do you think it is possible?

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If you had to theorize or from
any potential experiments that you've done,

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what would you say is the mechanism
by which it occurs, because obviously then

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we have to be able to bend
the laws of physics at least. Right,

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Well, there's lots of things in
physics that we don't fully understand,

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and I think understanding them would show
you how it's possible. One thing,

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for instance, inertial mass. Where
does inertial mass come from? Some may

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say the Higgs field, But what
does that mean? I'm not really sure.

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And that's just that's just saying,
you know, oh, it comes

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from there, But what is that
that you're talking about? You know,

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it doesn't really answer the question.
But mass is this mysterious force that constrains

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matter into a linear path. And
somebody's trying to call me. And if

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we can't affect the effects of inertial
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amount of inertial mass in the object, we can essentially go faster than light

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because equals mc square does. The
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because as as you go faster,
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know of the speed of light.
But if the mass is zero, no

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matter how many times you multiply or
a square zero, it will it will

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always be zero. So what are
your thoughts on like the Alkaberry drive.

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Do you think that that could be
a mechanism by which we accomplish it and

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essentially warping the fabric space I'm around
an object. Yeah, that's another thing.

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That's the warp drive concept is also
another way we can do it.

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So, Uh, the speed of
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of space time. It's called new
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and magnetic push and pull bounce back
that empty space has. UH. Materials

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such as magnets of them holding over
here, iron or plastics or you know,

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different dielectrics that you put inside capacitors
can have very high values of you

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know, hivity and permanentability. Space
time, though, has a value of

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permitivity and permanbility. It's not zero, which is which is insane when you

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think about it, because the fact
that it has some permittivity and permanability to

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it, it has these electro magnetic
properties to it, means that that that

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is literally what is contributing to the
speed of light as we see it.

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If you were to pile up energy
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a standing wave and build up an
RF standing wave for instance, in the

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near field around then antenna, the
speed of light will actually change because the

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permititivity and permanbility space time has changed
over there as well. And using this

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mechanism we can push or pull off
of space time and move things, move,

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move objects around, move the craft
around. And it's possible that in

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such a in such a mechanism,
the craft would not be limited to the

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speed of light like normal space times. So so then just in terms of

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you know, you said the military
industrial complex you believe has this and the

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ra aswell, you know, happened
and they may have gotten that technology.

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Also said that you think that a
lot of the you know, objects UFOs

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that were seen out there potentially man
made. So what's your thought on like

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the military industrial complex in terms of
how far advanced they've gotten, you know,

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because we don't see this from the
public perspective, right, do you

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think that there is some kind of
like shadow government or breakaway civilization at play?

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What's your theory there? Yeah,
I mean this is all stuff that's

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speculative. You can learn all you
want about this by going to websites like

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Gaya or listened to the twenty and
backers and such by I would assume that

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there's some sort of breakaway civilization.
Shadow government would be like the person that's

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three or four heads down from the
top, that has a permanent position.

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That's who they tend to be.
So we're not talking. We're not talking

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to Joe Bidens or Donald Trump's in
the world talking. You know, the

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people that you haven't heard of usually
are the ones that are actually in charge

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of this secret, and it's it's
locked up in the Department of Energies classification

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system. There are classifications in the
Department of Energy's top secret, uh,

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you know, secrecy department that the
president doesn't have access to. And by

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by hiding stuff like that, they
are in government, they're able to keep

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it secret. But they don't have
to keep most of the secret secret in

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government because it's not really government secret. It really comes down to Lockheed Martin,

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Scongpourt, it's Northrop Grumman some parts
of going that are you know,

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privy or working on these projects together. So how do you think they keep

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it secret? Then? I mean, you know, is it just because

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private organizations you can't access it like
or why do you think there's not more

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people that kind of speak out.
You know, you've talked to a lot

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of these engineers and your APEC conference, right have you. Yeah, there

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are many that you speak out.
The thing is when they speak out,

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the stuff they say so crazy,
nobody takes them seriously. But they do

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speak out, and they have specked
out and they they've even written books about

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it, but nobody reads the books
and nobody seems to care. So yes

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that they have been. One great
example of this was like the second in

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command Pentagon wrote a book day after
Roswell, Philip J. Corso wrote this

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book, and that was one of
the books that convinced me, hands down,

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this stuff is real. This guy's
credentials were, you know, second

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to none. He described how he
took parts of the craft and handed it

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over to Bell Labs and you know
other companies that went on to develop great

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things with it here in the US. So you know, from my perspective,

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that was that was case closed.
The UFOs are real aliens crashed we

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have and we have we're back engineering
their technology, and you know that that's

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the world that we live in right
now. The thing is that amazing claims,

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you know, big claims require lots
of evidence, and the people coming

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forward other than their than their eyewitness
testimony, you usually don't have that much

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evidence. They don't have anything hard
in hand, and if they do,

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get stolen from them very quickly taken
away. So you have your dilemma.

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Yet you have on one side of
populace that doesn't really want to believe.

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They don't really want to look into
this. They rather believe in the Lockness

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Monster, and they would believe that
aliens have been visiting us for the past,

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you know, ten thousand years.
You know, it's funny you go

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to Scotland. The t shirts they
give out says I believe and shows a

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picture of the Lockdust Monster, whereas
when you're in Roswald it says I want

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to believe. It should be the
other way around, because in Scotland they

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want to believe. Everyone there knows
that it's not that it's not real.

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Even the guy who bought a house
on the side of the lake and has

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been watching it for thirty years.
He admits it's not real. But UFOs

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are very much real. Yeah,
so I guess the follow up there then,

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logically is so, and I totally
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what you mentioned in terms of people
just don't seem to really care. You

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know, they care more about what
the Kardashians did last night than they care

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about advanced technology that would change at
circumstances of millions of people. So how

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would you go about achieving disclosure?
Like, how let's assume it's real that

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there are beings visiting us and there's
this advanced technology. How do we get

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disclosure out of that? Like,
what's the path forward in your mind?

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So the equipment behind me, we
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antalyzers, power supplies. This amplifier
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where a lot of this research was
actually done in the first place. This

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lab over here is researching the fundamental
technologies that we believe are behind these phenomenon.

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By doing this research, by moving
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larger results, and actually starting to
build prototypes and craft, I believe we

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can push the needle far enough that
people will start to take notice. And

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whether the scientific community all comes on
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All that matters is that we get
the technology built and we you know,

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bring it forward to the world,
and once that happens, the naysayers will

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have nothing left to say. Yeah, Now, how it feels like though

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that we had a big disadvantage,
right, Like if this technology is being

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produced by Lockheed Martin and North of
grumm In, Boeing, Big low airspace,

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et cetera, They've got tens of
billions of dollars, right versus you

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know, just like having a small
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is something I've been wondering myself,
is like, so, what kind of

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tests can we get that are going
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to be able to prove that we
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I've seen stuff like the Towns of
Brown experiments right where we can prove that

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there's alternative mechanisms of levitation propulsion.
But like, how do you get something

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big enough to really track the attention
of the media wherever else? What's your

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opinion. I'm not interested in attracting
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not really about that. We're trying
to interract investors and more importantly, very

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smart people who want to join our
cause, people who can actually contribute.

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RF engineers various smart people who can
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engineering side of things, and scientists
that that are open enough to looking into

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these possibilities. Those are the people
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make it to the front page of
some big tabloid newspaper doesn't really matter to

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us. What matters more is the
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what we can build, what we
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and what we can improve on MHM. And so you know, in terms

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of those people, my what I've
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of these people get sucked up by
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and and and forced into kind of
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incentivized. What's your opinion on that? And then like, how do you

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attract those people? Go ahead,
I've seen really, yeah, I've seen

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it. People. What do you
think makes that happen? What do you

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think somebody has to do in order
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Uh, They're they're keeping tabs and
they're they just I'm not really sure,

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but I think they're keeping tabs on
on on the on our study groups and

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trying to cherry pick out who would
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They do have much larger budget than
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magnitude, and I agree with you
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open, open source research over here. We're showing everyone what we got and

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telling everyone about it. And I
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part. That's something that they don't
do now, just changing gears a little

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bit. Going to APEX. You
know, what are some of the most

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compelling presentations that you've seen, you
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shown, there there any offhand that
you think that you want the world to

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know about. So on the theoretical
side, David Chester's presentation was pretty good.

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He put together and analysis many different
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we've seen presentations from UH Drew Ergrimarra
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Charlie Bueller from down a NASA UH
Kennedy's base, and they're working on basically

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gravity capacitor kind of thing and they're
they're seeing pretty pretty promising results. We've

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also seen presentation by David Perez from
Quantum Military Dynamics while working with closely who

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achieved several kilo of thrust using some
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and ham radio equipment. And there's
also been presentations by Bryan Sinclair who who

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showed pretty definitively some sort of thrust
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funny orientations and smash into things and
devices kind of want wants to destroy itself.

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It's at the limits of engineering,
but moving mass around you can actually

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convert angularnmentum to linear motion just by
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I've given some presentations as well showing
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over here with our experiment. And
our experiment, for those who don't know,

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is based off of this paper Anti
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so we called the Alsphon experiment and
in it this he published this in

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nineteen eighty one after he got a
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his theory. And basically what it
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particle spins. And there's many different
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affect matter. But the bottom line
is matter or mass comes from the inertial

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mass comes from the core of the
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core of the atom is the rational
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to affect mass itself because that's where
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nuclear orientation. You can orient the
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use for dynamic nucle orientation nowadays,
here's the book on it by CD Jeffries,

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is to increase the nuclear magnetic resonance
imaging like an MRI machine. The

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signals the noise ratio. You're able
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have this dynamic uclorientation going on as
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nuclear orientation is achieved in a sample
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then the mass itself will become weightless
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And we've actually recently proven that that
there is there is a correlation with eight

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consecutive tests all showing the same data
point weight loss at the same point in

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a magnetic field sweep It basically involves
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homogeneous magnetic field, and then you
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down perpendicular to that magnetic field.
A slight change that will energize the more

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frequency of the valence electrons, which
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field. That's why we're doing sweeps
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orientation energy to the core of the
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process over time. But that's exactly
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Also, I recently found out about
an effect called the Overhauser your field in

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interaction effect. Basically, when you
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the orientation is contagious, kind of
like an electromagnet or a magnet. Let's

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say this is a magnet. They
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torid like that in all directions.
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the core of the atom. It
objects that are nearby will be imparted with

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a similar effect, which explains why
when flying saucers take off, they sometimes

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bring up a pug of grass or
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the shape of the craft or slightly
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the field that is being oriented.
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to land, because when they land, then they have to orient the ground

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with it too, because the effect
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permeates everything around it. So is
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organizing effect, then would you how
do you find not self organizing? It's

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a coherence effective. Yeah, just
like coherent light is a laser and you're

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able to do amazing things with laser. Incoherent light, it's just, you

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know, it's just light, but
when you are able to concentrate it,

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you're able to to amazing You're able
to cut metal with lasers. We're just

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a few watts of it too.
And whereas a light bulb that has the

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same amount of lots you can buy
them for like five dollars, you know,

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one hundred what light bulb can't do
anything safe same amount of heat.

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It's all about concentrating and creating coherent
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the core of the atom you have
protons and neutrons, these subatomic particles which

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are essentially electromagnetic energy spun in on
itself. So you have a bunch of

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these spinning gyroscopes, let's call them. Okay, So let's say this is

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the axis of the gyroscope and it's
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of rotation is rotating itself as well. That would be called a procession.

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also wobbling in this direction, and
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wobbling in many different directions simultaneously.
So imagine if you had a gyroscope in

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your hand that was doing all these
rotations simultaneously, and then you moved it

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through space. What would happen?
Well, if you had a gyroscope like

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that in your hand that was doing
all those spins at once. What would

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end up happening is the wobbles,
the incoherent wobbles of the uh of that

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gyroscope would change by moving it through
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a piece of matter, let's say
a baseball or something like that, you

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throw it through space, what you're
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the subatomic wobbles of all the particles
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where the inertial mass is actually changing. That's where the energy, the momentum

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is being stored. It's a change
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the way to get rid of that
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orient them, just like a regular
gyroscope, it's free to move along its

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plane and axis of rotation without any
restriction. But as soon as you try

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to change that axis, that's when
it in parts a ninety degree and if

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you try to turn this way,
it'll it'll want to go that way a

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bit. And that's what we see
with flying saucers. They're able to go

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and do ninety degree turns at ten
thousand miles an hour, go straight up

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fly off at insane seats. But
one thing they can't do is a barrel

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role. They cannot twist over quickly. In fact, many of the sightings

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that we see of these flying saucers
are of them hovering in place, slowly

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changing their orientation because they need actual
thrust to do that. Because the craft,

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let's say weighs they go twenty tons, it needs enough thrust in order

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to reorient itself. But it doesn't
have many thrusters on board because it works

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using this mass reduction print. Once
it's in its new orientation, shoots off

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along the axis, so all along
the plane sounds like Bobbles are in terms

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of what he said about the objects
like turning up on their side or whatever.

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What are your thoughts on him?
So my thoughts on bobblesar. Let's

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say we had a time machine and
we were to take a car back to

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the eighteenth century, right, what
if we took back in Austin Martin,

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you know, f one carbon fiber
vehicle. Right, We took it back

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then, and we handed it over
to the scientists of the time, and

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they spent their entire career trying to
figure out carbon fiber that would have been

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a complete waste of time because the
secret is in the engine, right,

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the secret is in the is in
the combustion chamber. So I think Bobblesar

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may very well be telling the truth
on everything that he said. That's possible.

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There's some people out there that,
you know, think that he was

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lying and attend to but let's claim
he was saying that you're on everything.

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I believe he was looking at h
CLARINEF one. He was not looking He

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was not looking at a handat chord. He wasn't looking at you know what

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is necessary. He wasn't looking at
the Model T. Definitely not the Model

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T he was looking at. He
was looking at something super advanced, something

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so advanced in fact, that we
have nothing, you know, to work

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on here and what ends up happening. You know. The reason why they

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allowed him to go forward with all
this stuff is that one to fifteen is

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not available online on eBay or Amazon, and everyone knows that we don't have

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we haven't synthesized it yet in a
stable form. It might be synthesizable,

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who knows, but the bottom line
is it's not available. So anyone who

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has an inkling to go into this
type of research. What they end up

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doing is looking at, you know, for element one fifteen. They see

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it's not available, and they go
off to becoming an accountant. And there's

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very few people that actually go on
and become RF engineers. Actually met one

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recently that that went in that direction. But one thing that Babozar said that

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was very telling. This is one
of the few things that he mentioned that

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was of his own intuition. It
wasn't stuck into his head. He said,

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when he was inside the craft,
he saw these wave guide looking things

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like tune tubes that were transferring this
gravity a wave or B wave or whatever.

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And he said they looked like microwave
wave guides, which is very interesting

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because a lot of stuff behind me
is microwave wave guides. That's how you

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that's how you orient that little more
procession, that's how you create work fields.

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If you're going to change the permittivity
and permitbility is based time, you

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do it either with microwaves, you
can do with larger waves, but it's

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gotta be done with RF. And
he had the intuition to tell that's what

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it looked like to him, and
that's probably what it looked like. Because

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that's what it was. That's a
pretty interesting in terms of the connections there

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between. You know, I always
find out when people present story it's listening

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to stories one thing, but you
know, we're never probably going to get

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the crafts wheeled out in front of
us or the bodies. So it's like,

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what does it align with actual science, physics, engineering and what it

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does? And I find it to
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and I just I want to clarify
for myself in the audience. When

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00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.480
you talk about orienting the spins,
are you talking about like the spins that

406
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we would talk about in terms of
bosons versus fermions with integer spins and half

407
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.119
spins, or is this actually like
physically orienting the spins to be in some

408
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:47.240
kind of alignment here with atoms.
That's a good question. I'm not I'm

409
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.839
not certain that I definitely know the
answer or even have the equipment to know

410
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:57.319
the answer. But the thing.
The thing is that with sub atomic particles

411
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.920
spins, when we talk about spin, we're only talking about it in the

412
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:09.239
sense that we're able to measure it. Now, the way to measure dynamic

413
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:15.079
iglorentation is by looking at your NMR
signal to noise ratio and as it as

414
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:21.800
it increases, you know that the
dynamic inclorientation has you know, been you

415
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:27.760
know, performed to x degree.
But actually knowing what's going on in the

416
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.920
core of the atom, it's happening
so quickly. There's no equipment you know

417
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.480
around today that can that can even
read that kind of stuff to know for

418
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:45.039
certain what exactly is happening. When
we talk about the spin of a of

419
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:50.960
an atom, what we're actually talking
about is its imbalance, the imbalance of

420
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.880
its electron band. So think think
of an atom as like a solar system,

421
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.559
where of the mass of the sole
systems in the Sun, that's the

422
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:07.280
core and then there's the planets going
around. When they're talking about bismuth having

423
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:14.440
eight to eight half spin or whatever, what they're talking about is you know,

424
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.760
Mercury, Venus, Earth, all
these planets, they're all out of

425
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.239
balance and they're going wobbling like this
and like that. That's what it's talking

426
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:25.800
about. It's not talking about what's
happening in the core of the atom.

427
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.239
Because the way we interact with bismuth, the way we interact with every piece

428
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:35.039
of matter, is not by the
core that the core is what gives its

429
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:42.599
mass, but the electron bands around
it is what gives its properties. The

430
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:51.159
reason why iron conducts magnetism is because
of the valence bands the number of shells

431
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.840
of electrons that are around it,
and that goes for every single you know,

432
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.480
molecule compound out there. We're into
reacting with the electrons. We're never

433
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:05.280
really interacting with the core other than
the mass itself. That is the only

434
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:10.000
thing that really you know, comes
from the core. So if you want

435
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.480
to get to the core and we're
doing something that we call orientation by what

436
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:21.039
we think is actually transferring spin orientation
at the core, there's no direct way

437
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.320
to measure it because there's no there's
no equipment out there that can do that.

438
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:29.280
There's nothing that can measure stuff that's
beIN that fast. Yeah, so

439
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.639
I guess it's somewhat theoretical then,
but you're actually looking at observable effects right

440
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.159
to try to determine what's happening.
Then, I think is the takeaway which

441
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.239
leads me to my next question,
which is what do you think the relationship

442
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.159
is between anti gravity and superconductivity in
general? Do you think that superconductivity is

443
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.079
something that's required in order to achieve
these coherent states, or do you think

444
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.400
it's a byproduct or how do you
look at that? So superconductivity might be

445
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.960
connected. We do have a lot
of superconnectors here at the lab. We've

446
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:06.000
tried rotating them, we tried impulsing
a thousand million vaults through them through vacuums

447
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:13.840
and different gas chambers and all that. But we need to understand what is

448
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:22.199
a superconductor is essentially a material that
has no electrical resistance. But the electrons

449
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.320
aren't the problem. The problem is
the protons and the neutrons. The protons

450
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.920
and the neutrons are where the mass
is. If we're trying to affect the

451
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.719
mass we need, we need to
play around with the protons and the neutrons.

452
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:37.800
Now we can use the electrons as
a stepping ladder to get there.

453
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:45.840
But having zero resistance in a ceramic
puck of you know, ybc O superconducting

454
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:52.119
at liquid nitrogen temperature, it looks
pretty cool. It makes really nice you

455
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.559
know camera candy. It looks really
nice to see it, you know,

456
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.199
with all the gases and everything,
But it's not really the anti gravity and

457
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.000
I would not want to, you
know, spacecraft that were white on pouring

458
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.679
liquid nitrogen into the sidewalls in order
to keep those super conductors chilled. Yeah,

459
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.079
I think that my follow up there
is more of I guess what I

460
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.679
was thinking is when you were talking
about trying to get to the core,

461
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.559
right, I thought, well,
if we strip away the electrons, is

462
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.679
that a way where you can get
to the core. And I'm not,

463
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.159
you know, nearly at the level
you are with engineering, but you know,

464
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:25.800
And this kind of goes into the
next thing I was going to mention

465
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.840
is that Lockeed Martin has a patent
for a coherent matter wave being. So

466
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.559
I'm just trying to wonder if there's
some kind of connection there or something.

467
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.559
I don't know, what are your
thoughts in general on I would coherent I

468
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.280
like to see that path. I
haven't heard of it, but yeah,

469
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.960
you send that over to me.
But yeah, coherent matterwave being. That

470
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.960
sounds like something that I'm working on
right now. Yeah, I love all

471
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.679
these little connections between all this stuff. But yeah, I'll definitely send that

472
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.760
over to you. We found some
pretty crazy locked Martin pattents and it kind

473
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.599
of goes to all the stuff we
were talking about early here in the beginning

474
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.320
of the podcast here where we talk
about how they keep this stuff hidden and

475
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.119
in many cases, I think it's
just out there in plain sight, like

476
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.800
you were saying too, where you
got to look for it? Is this

477
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.559
patent recent? No, it's from
twenty thirteen, I believe, if I

478
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:15.960
recall correctly. And that's the thing
too, some of this stuff's been out

479
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:20.000
there decade, you know, or
more right, and it's like, wow,

480
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.079
well, yeah, the truth is
like you're really you could throw it

481
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:25.760
out there, but things nobody's going
to look for it. You need to

482
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.880
have somebody who's actually gonna, you
know, verify whether this stuff is real

483
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.800
because there's a lot of patents out
there that don't work. There's a lot

484
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.360
of free energy and magnet motor concepts, you know, one battery charges another

485
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.239
battery increase free energy. We've for
all that crap, you know, for

486
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.840
for decades now, and people had
been scammed that of millions of dollars,

487
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.360
uh, you know, trying to
invest in such stuff. But just because

488
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.719
you have a patent doesn't mean it's
real. And that's one of the other

489
00:39:52.760 --> 00:40:00.440
ways that they've been covering this stuff
up by loading the internet and uh,

490
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:06.239
the mind space of humanity with with
just junk. So a lot of these

491
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.599
patents aren't real. I'm very interested
in a coherent matter weight beam because I

492
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:15.559
believe that's real. I have reason
to believe that coherent matter is the key

493
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.280
to anti gravity. Mm hmm yeah. So and then you know, for

494
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.320
me, it's like, I agree
with you. I don't know where the

495
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.639
line is from talking to Salvage or
Pious, which I may ask you about

496
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.199
here in a second, that you
know, I think that there is certainly

497
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.480
the yes, yes, yeah,
oh yeah, you got there, you

498
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.800
go, the hybrid crack. We're
actually working on that, uh, that

499
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.360
experiment as well. That's another version. Yes, yes, we have a

500
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.239
spin weight over here, and and
we have the microwave energy and the high

501
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.360
voltage. Yet we're working on the
experiment. That's awesome, Yes, because

502
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.800
I think that some of the patents, for sure, it's like, okay,

503
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.119
I don't know if I trust it
out there. From talking to salvag

504
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.000
or Pious, there is certainly a
level where you have to prove conceptually whether

505
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.960
or not it can work to the
patent office. And I think that in

506
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:05.239
order to even get that pattern that
you were just looking at their proved he

507
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.039
had to get some like that the
Navy. I don't know what the exact

508
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.840
position the person was, but come
in and step in and say, oh,

509
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.480
no, this is actually possible.
We can break the swinger limit,

510
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.480
et cetera. So when I see
stuff that is like tied to the Navy

511
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.039
or the government, or stuff that's
tied like lockeed Martin, which are these

512
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.519
huge defense contractors, those are the
ones where I'm like, yeah, these

513
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.760
are the ones that I think that, Okay, we should probably be taking

514
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:30.599
a hard look at this, right
because these people don't mess around. Yeah,

515
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.159
the inertial mass reduction device as well, and so you might be interested

516
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.440
in this as well then, because
this is similar to what I was mentioned

517
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:44.239
about the super conductivity, is that
Salvator Pious believes that we don't need meta

518
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:50.800
materials in order to create room temperature
superconnectivity that can be induced potentially through this

519
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:55.280
high frequency gravitational vibration effect or potentially
spin effect. And he said that the

520
00:41:55.360 --> 00:42:00.280
vibration worked better because spin would cause
the I'm gonna say this, or maybe

521
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.320
the atoms or something to rip apart
or to be too much some kind of

522
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.679
force there. In general, So
what are your thoughts on any of that,

523
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.440
or what's your thoughts on salvad or
Pious and the patents in general?

524
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.440
My thoughts on solidor Pious is that
he recently woke up and is enjoying the

525
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:21.679
limelight. He wrote his paper on
the super course, and he's very excited

526
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.760
to talk to anyone that will give
him lots of attention. In terms of

527
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.840
his work, He's put out lots
of papers, including this one, and

528
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:37.000
about different experiments that we can try. There's this is basically instead of magnetic

529
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:43.599
field and microwaves, it's high voltage
static field and microwaves. And here he

530
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:50.000
predicts that inertial mass modification is possible
via that method as well. And if

531
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:55.199
that's true, I'm gained or we're
gonna try it out. Cool. And

532
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.519
so here's another poll up question on
that is, what do you think his

533
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.360
inspiration was to write those patents?
I think you can get what I'm getting

534
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.800
at here, right, because he
works with the Navy. You think that

535
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.320
they he was staring at crafts when
he thought of those papers, or do

536
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.880
you think he just came up with
that pure inspirationally with no motivation? What

537
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.000
are your thoughts I think you got
some motivation for it somehow, but I

538
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:27.440
don't know. I can't really answer
that now. I kind of want to

539
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.480
change gears a little bit. Now, going back to the whole UFO phenomenon,

540
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:37.519
cover up, et cetera, do
you have any advice for Congress and

541
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:43.960
the lawmakers or what is your opinion
perhaps on the UAP congressional hearings that happened

542
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.000
last summer. Do you think that's
a useful, good use of time.

543
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:52.400
Were you satisfied with the results,
and what would you do potentially to make

544
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.800
it better if not? Well,
I was at one of those hearings in

545
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:07.719
person. I think those were necessary. They're seventy years overdue. I think

546
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:16.119
the Schumer Grounds Amendment to the Defense
Authorization Act had its teeth cut out of

547
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:21.360
it. They should have had imminent
domain, you know, the right to

548
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:27.199
subpoena and the right to a disclosure
panel, and all of that was removed

549
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:37.079
by the powers that be. And
I would like to see another another amendment

550
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.320
coming in this year that will give
those teeth back and we'd have real disclosure

551
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:46.320
of the technology and what's been happening. I think people are distracted by so

552
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:52.480
much other stuff. Going on.
Just we've got wars going all over all

553
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:59.360
all over the world. We have
somebody running for president who you know,

554
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.480
is being taken off the ballot in
some states, and then the current president

555
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:09.559
can't remember what he had for breakfast. So people are you know, very

556
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.920
distracted from the stuff that are actually
more mundane and more day to day.

557
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:22.840
But this story is the biggest it's
the biggest story, not in our lifetime.

558
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:27.920
It's the biggest story in a civilization. And the research that we're doing

559
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.960
here at Falcon Space is not just
you know, once in a lifetime opportunity.

560
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.480
This is a once in a civilization
opportunity. You don't really get chances

561
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:44.920
to you know, attempt heavier than
air research ever again because once the White

562
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.840
Brothers achieved that, it was done, you know, and the same is

563
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.480
going to go for anti gravity,
at least in the open source. So

564
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.840
do you think there should be more
uIP hearings and if so, how do

565
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.000
you like them to be framed?
Yeah? I would I would like it

566
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:05.519
to be more up hearings UFO hearings. I would like you know, the

567
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:10.480
government to do a deep dive into
it. They're like timber sheet to put

568
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:20.360
together another another law or something or
whatever they got to do and try to

569
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:27.400
get this this subject to the forefront
and you know, try to push something

570
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:31.880
through Congress that actually has teeth on
it. So do you think that part

571
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:36.119
of the government then is you know, I think you mentioned the believe there's

572
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.639
a cover up. So how do
you view the landscape of the government that

573
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.800
is covering it up? You think
they're all covering it up? Do you

574
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.840
think there's some people that want it
out? What's you Have you ever thought

575
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.679
about how that might be playing out
behind the scenes. Yeah, there's a

576
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:54.880
lot of government officials that wanted out, especially the newcomers, people that were

577
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.320
recently elected, people that were been
in government for twenty thirty years. They

578
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.360
like the status quo. The status
quo is what pays their mortgage. So

579
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.239
they're not going to be your friends. The people that are friends of disclosure

580
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:15.000
are the ones that are new to
Congress, new to this story. They

581
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.519
don't they're not saddled by any of
the guilt or any of the blame of

582
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.320
what's been happening back there, And
those are the kind of people that are

583
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.960
going to be your friends. You
know, the friends with disclosure most probably.

584
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.039
What about in terms of the engineers
and the scientists, what do you

585
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:37.840
think their views are. They're waiting
for more data, they're you know,

586
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.679
some of them are waiting for more
data. Some of them are are ready

587
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.079
to start right away. But for
the most part, I think when we

588
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:49.519
get to the threshold of proving that
this stuff is real, there's going to

589
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:57.559
be an avalanche of research going into
this and that that's going to make the

590
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.840
equipment that it's associated with it very
difficult to find, and it's going to

591
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:08.239
probably the the industry as a whole, I believe, will become larger than

592
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:15.679
GDP of the United States within within
a like a decade or two, because

593
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.239
it will take over so many different
industries. We're talking about shipping, airplanes,

594
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.400
uh, space travel. It will
it will change the world as we

595
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.760
know it. Yeah, what about
stuff like micro chips and and some and

596
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.840
uh, semiconductors and stuff like that. You think that that we can change

597
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:35.880
a lot by this as well,
or maybe already has been. No,

598
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:42.719
I'm not really sure about that.
I mean, it's possible that that lacked

599
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:47.039
Martin patent that you talked about might
be able to, you know, push

600
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.800
lithography down to the one nanometer range
or something like that. But it's possible.

601
00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:00.519
You know that this stuff is,
it is much more more in its

602
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:07.199
infancy than microchips are. Microchips are
technology that we recognize the potential of and

603
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:12.519
we ran with it, and look
where we've come. Like we went from

604
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.280
discovering it. What was it forty
years ago that the semiconductor was discovered.

605
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:21.119
It wasn't that long ago that was
discovered, And now we're making semiconductors that

606
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.719
are two or three nanometers across.
There are just a few atoms, that's

607
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:31.239
how small they are. And it's
really we're creating artificial intelligence using this technologies

608
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:36.880
and seeing how far we've come.
So the technology behind me, the equipment

609
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:43.480
behind me is like this stuff is
from the this stuff is from the seventies,

610
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:46.519
from the eighties, this is old
equipment. I'm sure with modern equipment,

611
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:52.519
with modern technology, you'll be able
to push the umbrella of what can

612
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.280
be achieved a lot farther than anything
I can do here. Yeah, So

613
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.039
another thing I want to ask you
about is the scientist that are not the

614
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.239
ones that are potentially you know,
working with the DoD and what have you.

615
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.760
What I call maybe the influencer scientists
are out there. Well, what

616
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.840
is your opinion on the public,
mainstream academia science. Are you talking about

617
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:19.239
celebrity scientists like Neil de grasse Tyson
in general? Yeah? Or I think

618
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.760
that I watched the video where you
were talking to Lawrence Krause. I believe

619
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.840
as well, you know, and
I I don't equate Mitchew Kaku with them,

620
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.280
but I think that these are all
scientists that show up on a lot

621
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.280
of TV shows right out there.
What is your opinion on all them?

622
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.559
Okay, so my pints on my
opinion on Lawrence Krause when I got there

623
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.320
to ask him a question, it
really was what I intended to ask him

624
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.360
was how big is the rock that
he lives under? And does he ever

625
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:52.679
come out to breathe? Because he
is adamant one hundred positive, which doesn't

626
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:58.760
exist in science, that UFOs are
not real, while the government just had

627
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.920
disclosure hearings saying they definitely are real. We have we have live and dead

628
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.880
bodies, and we have ten craft
at work. So this guy is completely

629
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:15.079
off of his rocker now, which
led me to the next thing that I

630
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.320
was thinking is like, there's there's
either something mentally wrong with him, which

631
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.559
I don't think so, because he
seems to be pretty intelligent or there's a

632
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.159
reason why he's doing that. And
the only thing I can think of is

633
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.639
that he is getting He's on this
stage to present the other side of the

634
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.440
topic, like Nick Pope was there
to say, Yeah, UFOs are real,

635
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.639
let's you know, let's discuss it, and Ethan Krause is there to

636
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:45.320
say the opposite. So they had
to you know, search New York City

637
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:50.079
and find somebody who would take on
that opinion. And Ethan Krause, you

638
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.039
know, was available that evening,
and you know he wanted the paycheck.

639
00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:02.840
So in my opinion, Ethan Kraus
is actually a debunker grifter. He's trying

640
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:09.000
to make money by debunking. And
there's a couple YouTube channels and people on

641
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.440
Twitter that do similar things. It's
much easier to debunk things than it is

642
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.519
to prove things. You know.
There's lots of people who you know,

643
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.159
are debunking that the Earth is round, you know, and the flat earthers

644
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.599
that keep on debunking stuff. It's
it's a lot easy and people believe you

645
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:30.519
too. It's a lot easier to
be believed when you say something is fake

646
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:36.800
than when you say something is real, and you know, it all comes

647
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:42.440
down to money and ego and dopamine. Just you know, the feeling that

648
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.320
we get when we think that we're
doing something good. Yeah, I've got

649
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.639
to totally agree with you on the
debunker thing. I think that there's two

650
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.519
standards as well. Standard of proof
is you have to build this mountain of

651
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.559
evidence and proof, and even then
people go, I still want to see

652
00:52:55.599 --> 00:53:00.320
it, right. And then from
the debunker standpoint, it's like I'm gonna

653
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.960
poke one hole in your thing and
I'm gonna speculate and then that's debunked.

654
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.679
Right. Yeah, I don't know, Like, how do you how do

655
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:12.320
you even combat that? Right?
Do you have any thoughts on that?

656
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.480
You wait for them to die?
Uh? Science does not progress from people

657
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:24.199
like that. Uh. Science progresses
or every time somebody like that dies,

658
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.639
and people like that usually don't change
their mind, you know, even when

659
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:36.639
they're presented with the evidence to their
face. I actually read one UFO case

660
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:44.159
that was pretty sad. There was
a UFO flying alongside an airplane and everyone

661
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.800
was looking out the window except for
one, uh, one psychiatrist there who

662
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.039
refused to look out the window because
he doesn't believe in UFOs. Wow.

663
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.840
Yeah, it was significant enough that
they actually wrote it in a book,

664
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.119
but that that just got me thinking
that there's there's a mental component to this

665
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:07.199
as well. It's not just that
they're not just craft, but they change

666
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.119
people to their core when they see
stuff like that, that they realize we're

667
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.639
not the head honcho in the universe. You know, there's other life out

668
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.239
there, and there's technology way beyond
what we have, and we're not fully

669
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:29.039
in control, and it has an
effect on people. And some people just

670
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.760
don't want to be affected. They
want to continue. They're not a file.

671
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.559
They want to be an accountant.
They don't want to think about this

672
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.280
stuff. Yeah, I think I've
seen it firsthand. I remember I was

673
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:42.840
showing my parents, my dad specifically, a video that had some pretty anomalous

674
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.519
stuff going on, and I watched
his head jerk away like it was almost

675
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.360
like a reaction. And that psychology
thing that you just mentioned, that psych

676
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.719
a person who didn't want to look
right. It almost reminded me of that,

677
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.039
and it freaked me out a little
bit as well, because it makes

678
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.960
me think about the mood of the
show Westworld where it's like it doesn't look

679
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.920
like anything to me, where some
people are like just blinded to some stuff

680
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.800
like that. And I think that's
a little bit scary because to your point,

681
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.320
I think it tells us. I'm
curious as to your thoughts on this

682
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:16.199
thought experiment or whatever from sociology,
is that I think that a lot of

683
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:22.280
people out there in general just they
don't want stuff to be true, and

684
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.679
if it can't, they can't deal
with that concept at all. And then

685
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.400
it's kind of a question of like
how you know, it's not even a

686
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:34.960
matter of disclosing that stuff's provable.
It's like changing people's opinion to the nature

687
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.519
reality itself. Like people have to
wake up to the fact that, like,

688
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:44.039
if anti gravity is real, there's
more to this reality than what we're

689
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.159
perceiving. And when people wake up
to that, then they'll all of a

690
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:50.440
sudden see all the papers that are
out there, right they prove it,

691
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.119
and the scientific experiments and videos or
whatever. What's your thoughts on that?

692
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:05.840
Yeah, Yeah, they they live
in willful ignorance. A lot of people,

693
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.199
A lot of people live live their
life like that because you know,

694
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.960
they have their nine to five,
they have their ritual, they have their

695
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.480
their morning cup of Joe and uh, they got to go on to work,

696
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:22.159
and they they can't be distracted by
any of this stuff because it's too

697
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:30.280
it's too fundamental to their being.
It changes too much. Yes, they'll

698
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:36.719
they'll have no problem being interested in
uh uh Taylor Swift's latest song, or

699
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:44.159
the you know, keeping up with
the Kardashians all their drama because it fits

700
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:49.000
in with their lifestyle, fits in
what's with with it's already there. But

701
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.239
when you start to tell them,
hey, you know you're to send into

702
00:56:52.320 --> 00:57:00.639
an alien you know your your GNA's
DNA has been uh manipulated and they're visiting

703
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:05.639
us and they got craft that can
go faster than people light. That's kind

704
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.159
of talk that just doesn't interest people, or rather just go home and watch

705
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:13.360
Jeopardy. Yeah, on that same
line. And I think this is one

706
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.639
of the last questions I want to
ask, though, is that have you

707
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.360
run into people at least I feel
like I have. I'm curious what your

708
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:22.039
interactions has been. I've run into
people that, even in the UFO Believers

709
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:25.719
sphere, when you start talking about
faster and light travel, that they start

710
00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:29.079
to check out, you know,
And that's what scared me is because I

711
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.960
think that people have this perception out
there that the people who are threatened are

712
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.280
the religious people in general. But
I find that it's not even necessarily people

713
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.480
that are orthodoxy religious. It's even
people that are believe that aliens are visiting

714
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.960
that go, oh, no,
we can't have faster than the light travel.

715
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.119
And I'm going, well, how
do you think they're visiting us?

716
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.039
Right? Like, I don't know, have you run into any of that?

717
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:59.880
Yes, I have run into I've
run into that many times. And

718
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.079
how do we change that belief?
I mean, how do we It just

719
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.519
feels like such a hurdle to get
over. Right, just's proving it,

720
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:13.159
yeah, just just just just building
it that there's no other way to prove

721
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.599
it. And sometimes even after you
build it, they still wouldn't believe in

722
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.960
it, even if they see it. Yeah. I think that's the part

723
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:22.519
that's scary, right, is that
I think we're now in a post truth

724
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.239
world where even if the president comes
out, even they wheel out a body,

725
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:29.360
even if they wheel out a craft. They did. They wheeled out

726
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:34.719
bodies in Mexico. One of them
had three eggs in its abdomen with a

727
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:38.639
fetus inside the egg and the next
thing you know on TikTok is somebody made

728
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.960
a cake that looked similar to it, and then all of a sudden,

729
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.320
everybody's in there going wait, wasn't
that just a cake that we just saw?

730
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.119
And you're like, Okay, it
makes me wonder. You know,

731
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.159
are we living in the movie Idiocracy
or you know, yeah, it's really

732
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:58.920
scary. The world that we live
in is really scary because anyone nowadays with

733
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:07.840
these uh the AI tools can make
fake images of anything, and it really

734
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:15.679
but the biggest, the biggest,
the value we can we can we can

735
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:22.400
attain in this for all today is
is truth because because there's so much there,

736
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:28.360
there's still the potential to lie,
and the potential to fake stuff is

737
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:34.800
so big nowadays it's so easy to
do that. So your reputation, keeping

738
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:40.920
your reputation, being reputable, being
honest is is key to succeeding. If

739
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.360
you're not honest, you're not you're
not in align with the universe. You're

740
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.840
not going to succeed. Good advice, Okay, Mark, Well, I

741
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.960
think this is a good spot to
wrap it up. So I was thinking,

742
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.960
anything that you want to plug,
if you want to plug your social

743
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.800
media, your companies, or any
shot out anyway. Feel free, This

744
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:59.440
is your moment, all right,
Okay, So check out the website for

745
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:05.079
a turn of propulsion that's Outpropulsion alt
propulsion dot com and sign up for our

746
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.559
conference. You can check out Falconspace
at falconspace dot org. And until next

747
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.280
time, lived long and prosper Thanks
a lot mark, appreciate your time.

748
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:14.559
Take care,