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When we get enough questions, usually I'll sit down with Chris 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,159 and answer those two. Chris Bedford is the guest on today's show. He 29 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,599 actually had to run to confession right after we recorded this, So I'm recording 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,439 an intro so that Chris can get to confession because, as our frequent listeners 31 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:16,039 know, Chris has plenty to confess, So Chris Is on the show. 32 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:22,280 We talk about two things. We talked first about the speakership of Mike Johnson, 33 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:25,280 which is now in peril here on Capitol Hill. There's a lot of 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:32,000 tension. There's a huge vote yesterday and Section seven oh two temporarily blocked basically 35 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,199 from the reauthorization. They kind of like vote, they vote, have done 36 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:42,400 a rule to get parliamentary, But basically this was a win for kind of 37 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,039 House conservatives. Chris and I talked a little bit about the arc of the 38 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,960 conservative movement on that question of seven oh two. We also talk a little 39 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,120 bit about the abortion drama that's played out in the conservative movement just over the 40 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:59,960 course of the last week. After Donald Trump put out his statement on Monday, 41 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,039 same We're kicking things back to the States, he said yesterday that the 42 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,319 Arizona decision from the Supreme Court went too far. One thing I do think 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,319 that has gotten lost in the conversation about Arizona is the Supreme Court of Arizona 44 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,199 said basically, we think it was almost Trumpian, which was funny because it 45 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,240 came the day after his big statement that made ripples all through It made waves, 46 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,000 I should say more than ripples all through the conservative movement. One thing 47 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,280 that was interesting about that is they said, you know, this is such 48 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,199 an important question that it should be decided by the people of Arizona, not 49 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,680 by the courts, by the elected representatives of Arizonas. And it's looking now 50 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,719 like there will be abortion on the ballot in Arizona in November, which is 51 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:43,759 another sort of politically interesting question in and of itself. Chris and I don't 52 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,159 get into that, but some quick thoughts now, I would say this is 53 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:51,520 going to happen likely in Arizona. They have to collect some like three hundred 54 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,680 and eighty thousand signatures by July fourth, which I think at this point after 55 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:59,120 the Supreme Court decision will be pretty easy. The reaction was sort of similar 56 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,360 to what happened after the Alabama IVF reaction. It just reminded me of that 57 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:11,000 you had a lot of Republicans who are probably putting their electoral and I'm not 58 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:16,439 saying that this is wrong, but putting electoral consequences ahead of these hard corporal 59 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:20,000 life stances. And I'm saying I don't necessarily know that's wrong, because there 60 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:24,560 is an I don't need to get into the argument right now. It is 61 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,439 the big argument essentially about incrementalism among pro lifers, that you have to in 62 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:34,399 order to make any policy victories, to win any policy victories, you have 63 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:38,480 to be in power. And if you're never in power, then you'll never 64 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:43,439 do anything to sort of reverse course. I have a thought on that. 65 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,240 I know I've shared this before, but I really think it's incumbent on pro 66 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:54,279 life leaders. And I'm not necessarily talking about politicians here, although I think 67 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,720 this applies to some politicians to talk about this issue like they mean it, 68 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,360 like they mean that life begins at conception, because otherwise people don't believe you. 69 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:06,160 I was talking to somebody on the left today actually who made the point 70 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:11,639 that if Donald Trump truly believed and I don't think anybody thinks that Donald Trump 71 00:05:11,639 --> 00:05:15,160 believes us, but if Donald Trump truly did believe that life begins at conception, 72 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,839 going to that position, defaulting to that position, that it's sort of 73 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:23,279 back to the states. You're saying, you know, essentially we will let 74 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:29,199 the States decide on the question of killing human life. And I do think 75 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,040 that sends a signal to people that you don't believe life begins at conception, 76 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,240 and that feeds this narrative of the Handmaid's Tale Republican Party that they care more 77 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,600 about controlling women's bodies, that this is this idea that life begins at conception. 78 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,199 You know, it's foolish. We all know, everybody believes that this 79 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:51,720 is just a clump of cells, that you know, living, breathing, 80 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,480 human being outside of the womb is worth so much more. But this, 81 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,439 I'm just saying that fear into the narrative of the left, and I think 82 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:06,439 that narrative is really persuasive with a section of voters who haven't really you know, 83 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:10,759 gotten a fair version of the conservative argument, the pro life argument in 84 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,319 many many cases because the media suppresses it and silences it and doesn't want to 85 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:17,600 hear it. But at the same time, that's a real uphill battle in 86 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:20,720 the culture arena. And in my conversation with Chris, I do comment to 87 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,720 everybody at Roger Airpiece on this, but just you know, again some thoughts 88 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:30,439 on that is, you know, he's basically saying, while this fight is 89 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,240 essentially unwinnable on the national level and in some of these races and the state 90 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:41,319 of a cultural emergency when you have you know, children's bodies being mutilated and 91 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:45,240 the state allowing for it, the state making the way for it in some 92 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:47,560 cases. The Biden administration, by the way, is just about to come 93 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:54,879 out with a Title nine ruling that we'll likely thrust campuses back into their kangaroo 94 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:58,399 court status, and nobody is talking about it. We saw what happened. 95 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:03,360 The experiment failed during the course of the Obama administration, and Biden oversaw a 96 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,480 lot of the Title nine policy, and the Biden administration took credit for a 97 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,720 lot of it. We saw what happened when the Obama administration ruled by a 98 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:16,759 dear colleague letter basically legislated for every school that got public funding, threatened to 99 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,480 revoke all of their important public funding if they didn't comply with a dear colleague 100 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:27,759 letter that read gender identity into Title nine on the basis of sex slash gender 101 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,600 identity is basically what they turned Title nine into at the flick of a pen. 102 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:36,879 So there is a serious level of cultural emergency here. And Rodre's argument 103 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,480 is essentially that means, while these these battles on life, and I'm paraphrasing 104 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,839 him, you should read the piece yourself. I don't want to put words 105 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:49,920 in his mouth, but in the case of life. When these battles are 106 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:58,600 are clearly unwinnable at the national level, that's when the time comes for the 107 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,399 changing of hearts and minds on a sort of longer term basis. And obviously 108 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,000 the pro life movement has been working doggedly to do that over the course of 109 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,199 decades and had some real success I think before the Dobs decision came out and 110 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,680 the media went in a hyperd drive. But I'm kind of looking forward to, 111 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:18,160 honestly, this opportunity, and I hope others are too. Other sort 112 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,120 of pro life people are looking forward to this opportunity because the media's power is 113 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:28,399 waning every month. The gatekeepers get less powerful every single month. Twenty sixteen 114 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 was a really big wake up call for a lot of people about that post 115 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,240 COVID, the gatekeepers have lost more and more power. Just explosions and substack 116 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,840 subscriptions. Barry Wise actually announced this week that her substack, The Free Press, 117 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,360 which I absolutely love, is I think the top substack in the country. 118 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:48,399 They have a crazy readership. I think they released their subscriber numbers too, 119 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,000 and it was stunning. And so this sort of elite media, the 120 00:08:54,039 --> 00:09:00,200 corporate media, those gatekeepers are less powerful every month, and that's a real 121 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,440 opportunity for the pro life movement, is a real opportunity for people who oppose 122 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,480 the surveillance state, all of these issues that we talk about on today's show. 123 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,000 I just wanted to kind of open up by mentioning that sort of expounding 124 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,759 on that point going forward, when political battles do feel unwinnable, doesn't mean 125 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,919 Republicans shouldn't fight tooth and nail. Doesn't mean pro life politicians should lie about 126 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,320 what they think. I mean, I think it just made an argument against 127 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,879 that actually, so that's not at all what I believe. But it does 128 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,120 mean that it's you know, incumbent on the rest of us not to be 129 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:39,960 dismayed by what happens on the policy level, but to work extra hard and 130 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,480 understand that so much of this isn't going to change until the culture changes, 131 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,720 until there's an appetite for that kind of change in the culture, and that's 132 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,399 a long term battle. And Daniel Davidson's book Pagan America It's out right Now 133 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:58,159 John basically says like these this is auctually a similar argument. This is not 134 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:03,360 going to uh, this will only get worse therefore we have to sort of 135 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,960 buckle down and strengthen our culture, strengthen our communities and our families, and 136 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:15,480 and focus on living virtuous lives. Well, you know, the the public 137 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,120 sector gets less and less virtuous in and of itself, and hopefully that persuades 138 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,320 other people to, uh, you know, see the virtue in doing so. 139 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,480 Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But this is a really really 140 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,000 dark time. I think there's there's no question about that. So, without 141 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,759 further ado, this is my conversation with the great Christopher Bedford on today's edition 142 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:58,840 of Federalist Radio Hours. Hope you enjoy else a chain for anything protect. 143 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,200 We're back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I Emily Dashinski, 144 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,720 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the show 145 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,559 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on exit fdr st. 146 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,720 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts, and of course to the 147 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,080 premium version of our website as well. Today I am joined by Christopher Bedford, 148 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,440 who is eager to record the podcast so that he can get to confession. 149 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:37,000 That's true, all right, we'll confess the thoughts I thought that you 150 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,919 are so late to our meeting. She blames so Doshinsky's new to having a 151 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:46,200 car. I'm not new to I've had a car for a while. She's 152 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,720 near to having a car. Yeah, this car and quotation mark and uh. 153 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,559 And now she thinks that traffic in a city is a reasonable excuse to 154 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,919 be thirty minutes late. Well, it wasn't just traffic, it was you. 155 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,399 Okay, we don't need to get into this. He finished a meeting 156 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,320 early. But anyway, it's fine. We're gonna move right along, Chris, 157 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,240 because Capitol Hill where we are right now, is a buzz with the 158 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,399 possibility. Can you feel it in the air, the possibility that there might 159 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,559 once again be a battle for Speaker of the House. I don't want to 160 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:24,279 think about it. It hangs heavy in the spring air. But it's true. 161 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,159 I mean, it's actually true. And there are a lot of different 162 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,519 things on the table as we're recording this. On Thursday. Actually, there 163 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,799 was a very big victory for the kind of Freedom Caucus type people who were 164 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:41,240 able to kill a really bad reauthorization of FIZA section seven oh two. There's 165 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,360 been heated debate about seven oh two for years, and it wasn't until recently 166 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,519 that more mainstream conservatives started. I think they're really opposed. It used to 167 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,279 be kind of like Rand Paul types, but it's essentially I know, we've 168 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,960 covered it in FLA well. People were complaining about it when it was unfashionass 169 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:03,159 ability that this could happen, when it was a hypothetical that it could happen, 170 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,759 or when it had happened to people who folks in DC didn't really care 171 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,200 about. Yeah. Yeah, and then it started to happen to Donald Trump's 172 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,799 psisdential campaign yep. And you know, but remember you have to remember back 173 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,960 to twenty sixteen. Most normal Republicans at that time, most people at that 174 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:28,039 time, mostly American people, I think, were kind of just the position 175 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,480 to believe that the FBI was investigating you, he must have done something wrong. 176 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,720 A reflective sense of trust. Yeah, yeah, there was a lot 177 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:41,080 more trust there in American intel and people. I mean, it still kind 178 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,080 of exists a little bit with Donald Trump. But by the time they were 179 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,080 rating mar A Lago, you had, you know, like Marco Rubio out 180 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,799 there recording on his back porch within an hour saying the deep state has gone 181 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,960 too far. Whereas in twenty sixteen, there was a lot of well, 182 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,480 let's wait and see, because this sounds really bad. And once the dust 183 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,600 had settled, it just became really clear that Faiza had been abused to surveil 184 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:09,799 domestic political opponents. And they're like, oh, it's just caught up in 185 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,000 the net and say, okay, well, the reason that this is set 186 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,720 to be reauthorized by the Congress is to stop abuse, and you have abused 187 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:22,399 it. So the trust that you demand and under the gate and under the 188 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,600 auspices of patriotism is no longer granted, and we need to start over on 189 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:31,840 this. You need to rebuild this trust. Yeah, well, we made 190 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,879 access to your Twitter accounts, to your cell phone. One of the reasons 191 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,240 that I saw for and this was from a conservative and I'm blanking right now, 192 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,879 and who gave this reason. I think it was like a group. 193 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,279 But one of the reasons, oh, it was the Wall Street Journal editorial 194 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,840 board. They said, you know, listen, the FBI actually lied on 195 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:56,039 the FISA warrant for Carter Page and so reforming seven oh two and like actually 196 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,240 basically curtailing seven oh two powers wouldn't have done anything to prevent that. It's 197 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:03,559 like, okay, you're telling me that the FBI is littered with liars and 198 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,080 so we should keep their power at the same level. Brilliant argument. But 199 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,639 seven oh two for We've done a full podcast on this before, so if 200 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:15,919 you need like kind of a primer on that, I recommend listening to the 201 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,120 full length section seven oh two one that we did with an expert on it. 202 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,440 There's just a couple of months ago, but basically seven oh two sweeps 203 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:31,480 in communications with foreign between Americans and foreign people. That means that they can 204 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,639 query a database of all of those things that are swept into the drag net, 205 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:39,840 and sometimes they query them illegally for Americans, sometimes it's perfectly. One 206 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:45,559 of the things with this is that it's technically legal. There's abuse of the 207 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,879 database in the tens of thousands every single year. The Wall Street Journal editorial 208 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,679 board said that that had gone down Okay, great, still like tens of 209 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:58,759 thousands a year, and the reauthorization would require a warrant and it would not 210 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:03,320 allow government to buy from third party data brokers the data. That's a that's 211 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,440 kind of a different conversation. I feel like we need to have a much 212 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,360 deeper conversation about our data in order to say like, if private companies can 213 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:14,440 have it, then the government can't. I mean, it's kind of an 214 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,480 interesting question, but the warrant requirement is really the heart of the matter, 215 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,000 and they do not want to give that up. Bitterly do not want to 216 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 give that up. Yeah. Tucker released a good video on this last night 217 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:30,440 where he was talking about his own suspicions of having been targeted five fize when 218 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,200 he was talking with Russian government officials about his interview with Putin journalist, and 219 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:40,960 how those interactions were leaked to the press in order to embarrass him and to 220 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,120 undermine his journalist's efforts. And that's just kind of basic stuff that they've been 221 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:51,440 doing. 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They were they had spies and bugs throw Barry Goldwater's campaign in 248 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,400 the CIA. Remember so, oddly enough, Lyndon Johnson, you're the first 249 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,839 person who'd caught my attention with us. It's in Lee Edwards biography of Barry 250 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:14,519 Goldwater. It was the CIA that Lindon Johnson tapped to spy on the Goldwater 251 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:22,920 campaign and h and FI I forget part of the but I remember I remember 252 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:32,920 a friend talking to uh Hoover and this isn't written about and saying, why 253 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,039 did you do it? And Hoover's response was, well, when the president 254 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:38,079 asks you to do something, you do it, which is obviously not true 255 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:44,200 for for all the presidents, all the different times. Boy Scott James Comy, 256 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,519 Yeah, so they kind of got it under control, and they had 257 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:49,519 all these movies that would come out to make us show like, I look, 258 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:53,559 the FBI is like just kind of stopping cannibals and child sex traffickers, 259 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:57,519 and I look at all these heroes, and it was largely depoliticized. And 260 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:03,000 then that really changed after some eleventh and the starting thing had to get back 261 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:08,359 involved in shadowing a lot of these domestic groups and took on less of a 262 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,640 law enforcement and much more of an intel kind of posture that had been gotten 263 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,880 rid of by the Church Committee. And that's what we've been dealing with the 264 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:22,160 last twenty three years has been a increasingly increasingly increasingly put a sized FBI. 265 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,559 And you know, the folks in DC are very different from the folks in 266 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:27,920 the field offices, for sure, but it's a serious problem that DC refuses 267 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:33,759 to tackle. And while they're sabotaging American political campaigns and leaking to the press 268 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,799 and lying in warrants, Congress is just saying, oh, yeah, you 269 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,400 can have this much money to expand your campus. Oh yeah, you can 270 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,000 get a renewed And it's just it's really pathetic behavior. Nothing is changing. 271 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,799 Yeah, So it's just refreshing to see. It probably won't last. They'll 272 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,720 probably figure it out. They'll probably drag a couple more members into their skiffs 273 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,160 where they tell them all the scary things, Oh what happened? I think 274 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,440 Tucker had a good line last night where he was talking about to how the 275 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,920 skiff is kind of a leash where you've got your intelligence handler who just tells 276 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,119 you what they want you to know and how they want you to know it, 277 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,519 and can pull you around to vote for different things based on that leash 278 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:18,079 and scare you. And it's a very effective tool for putting members in line. 279 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,119 But if you understand, if you understand what it is, and you 280 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,759 go in with that credulity to say, oh, you're going to tell me 281 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,960 a bunch of secrets about how you saved my life and I don't even know 282 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,599 it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it. It's I need to 283 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,759 change my vote. If you go in there saying I'm not particularly trusting of 284 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,759 this, then it's helpful. Well. So the other thing to note is 285 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,160 this was there's a deadline to like April nineteenth, visa was seven to two 286 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:47,839 was extended because there have been a couple of flare ups where that group of 287 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,720 similar people, similar group to the people who took down Kevin McCarthy, have 288 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:56,359 threatened Mike Johnson. But now everybody, even beyond the people that were frustrated 289 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,640 with McCarthy, are frustrated with Mike Johnson. So Chip was big critic, 290 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,319 Tripper was a huge critic of Kevin McCarthy. Didn't vote to oust Kevin McCarthy, 291 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,880 and I think would make a very good case that they would have progressed 292 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,079 more on genuine conservative victories and on the House side at least, and potentially 293 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:17,160 even into the Senate if Kevin McCarthy had remained Speaker. But all that aside, 294 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,000 he's really coming down hard on Johnson. Even Mike Lee was coming down 295 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,079 really hard on House Republicans that wanted to just go along with Mike Johnson said 296 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,680 this Rissa R I S A A, which was the reauthorization version that in 297 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,720 a parliamentary move they kind of voted down a rule yesterday, defeated it. 298 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:38,599 Basically, he said, listen, if you don't if you don't vote for 299 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,920 this, you're just going to get a clean reauthorization with zero changes whatsoever from 300 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,880 the Senate. And it's like well, in effect, this piece of reform 301 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,759 is zero changes whatsoever. So okay, like thanks for the absolutely nothing. 302 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:56,559 And that's what happens over and over again, is I don't doubt that Mike 303 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,960 Johnson. I know, Mike Johnson is in an incredibly precarious position. He's 304 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:04,279 an incredibly difficult position. I know you can tell that because every single meeting 305 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:08,119 he has, and every speech he gives and every talk he has is whining 306 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,559 about how he's got a slim majority, which is true, but the Democrats 307 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,480 are in the minority and there seem to be governing, so that's funny. 308 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,359 So yeah, but this is he This was became a big battle. Martin 309 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,440 Taylor Green earlier this week released a letter, a letter to that you'd written 310 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,799 to Mike Johnson with seven points that you probably would agree with most of. 311 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,440 Chris. It was kind of an she aired her grievances against Mike Johnson, 312 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,880 and it was a lot of you know, you are You said at least 313 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,319 that omnibuses were no way to run a government, and we keep now governing 314 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:48,559 with omnibuses, even if they're minibuses, which is the most ridiculous semantic maneuver 315 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:55,039 ever they're omnibuses, and they include all of these fundings for the last priorities 316 00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:00,599 abortion, immigration, et cetera, et cetera, and there's been no This 317 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 is an interesting thing about Johnson, Chris, like, having watched this over 318 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:10,839 the years, Johnson was sort of in Freedom Caucus adjacent world, Like he 319 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,799 wasn't in the Freedom Caucus, but he would kind of hang out with them. 320 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:17,000 He knows them well. Uh, and they were like, this is 321 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,359 the most conservative Speaker of the House, and I guess on paper that was 322 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,319 true when he became Speaker of the House. I was. But he correct 323 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,799 opinions on Faiza, he had the correct opinions on the Ukraine War, he 324 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:32,240 had the correct opinions on social conservatism. But this is like the reverse ke 325 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:37,680 McCarthy. The reverse of Kevin McCarthy is that McCarthy himself had a lot of 326 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,599 different positions from the Freedom Caucus on policy questions. I'm sure I don't know 327 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,279 where McCarthy was on seven oh two, but like that's a good example of 328 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:45,799 somewhere where he'd likely be on the other side of it. It's just his 329 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,160 temperament was much more like vinership. For years and years and years and years. 330 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,519 I mean, how long he's probably been dealing with Kevin McCarthy since you 331 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,839 started in journalism. He was never id assume a back bencher. Maybe he 332 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,720 was at first, but he when I interviewed him, what this is almost 333 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,440 two years ago now, when I interviewed him, he said he learned from 334 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:14,680 watching Paul Ryan, so having that perspective of being a young gun right in 335 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:19,119 the kind of leadership friendly area he wanted. He's so ambitious that he learned 336 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:25,279 he could have similar policy positions to a Paul Ryan, but he needed to 337 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,400 have the temperament of a Chip Roy. He needed to have the temperament of 338 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,440 a Matt Gates, and he did. I mean, he was constantly out 339 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,559 there, like absolutely excoriating Nancy Pelosi, skewering the Democrats, and whether or 340 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:41,960 not that would have translated into substant of policy victories open question. But Mike 341 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:45,200 Johnson isn't doing any of that, and that I think is part of what's 342 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,519 really puzzling people, is in the negotiations where you at least have to present 343 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,920 like you're on the side of your own party that's asking for basic things. 344 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,319 I just think he's overwhelmed and doesn't have the experience. I mean McCarthy have 345 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,039 the experience. I think it's true Kevin McCarthy, and he would tell you 346 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,400 this had a long time to like observe and learn. But Chris, I 347 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,240 just want to ask about the like, uh successful shutting down at least for 348 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,880 now of the rule yesterday on seven oh two, like substance of seven oh 349 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,440 two. Aside, there's a real there's a real chance that Mike Johnson is 350 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,480 not Speaker of the House in the next couple of weeks. You know, 351 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,559 if we're sitting here a couple of weeks from now, Mike Johnson maybe the 352 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,559 shortest slip Speaker of the House in recent history that I can think of, 353 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,440 maybe all Speaker of the House history, but this was sort of him. 354 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:36,839 Who is that speaker Tempore? Oh right, right, right right right? 355 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,480 Banks now, no, no, no, not Banks, Patrick McHenry with 356 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,279 the bow tie. Yeah, although he was speaker pro temps so not technically 357 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,880 speakers. So I don't know if that that counts. But what I will 358 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,720 say is it's is it, Chris, that this is a victory? Is 359 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:57,799 this just temporary? Is this let's trust was giving speeches in DC recently? 360 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,960 Really she sees like a there like talking to heritage and stuff. Is it 361 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,839 a shout across the bow for Johnson that this failed doesn't mean anything? What 362 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,559 do you read? Do you think we sit here two weeks? He's lucky 363 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,599 it failed. I agree, I think I agree completely, he's lucky. 364 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,839 It's the American people are lucky. I think he'd be more likely to be 365 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:23,519 facing revolts if if it had not failed right now. But I don't know. 366 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:29,400 It's it's been exhausting. It's just also stupid. Yeah, I mean, 367 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:36,279 well, Chip Royan other folks are completely right that you know, why 368 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:41,039 would the kind of behavior of the Republican Congress be rewarded by voters? What 369 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,839 exactly would people are we voting for here? What's your policy positions? It 370 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:52,240 seems to be a center left coal issue with Democrats. Well, I get 371 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,640 that frustration. I don't know how close to Minutia a lot of American people 372 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,960 really are paying attention. But what they do notice and will know is another 373 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:06,720 stupid food fight, another cripple fight between the Republican Party over a speaker, 374 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,319 and more dysfunction. I mean, it's like it's kind of like how if 375 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:18,039 your parents your kids don't know if there's like something like maybe something on the 376 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,400 side, like your wife didn't felt the gas. It never does, or 377 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,079 like these an argument about person where you want to go vacate? Saturs in 378 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,559 drive so it's we're good. Uh, there's an argument over where they want 379 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:30,920 to go to vacation. Like they don't really notice a lot of these different 380 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,480 things, but they do notice if mom and dad are yelling at each other. 381 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,839 They do notice that. I mean, I think that's not just it's 382 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,559 just not to call the voters children, but they're just not paying attention to 383 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:47,440 a lot of the my new show of what's really ticking off conservatives. But 384 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,279 that's what I said running into this election. They will notice if like Marjorie 385 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,319 Taylor Green's out there shrieking and trying to call for a new speaker, which 386 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640 has been a disaster from the very start. I know that the Gates stream 387 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,680 and I was trying to pretend like whoa, it was actually our intention to 388 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,640 get a socially conservative speaker Johnson, so who no one expected forty yess Yeah, 389 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,839 you hated Kevin McCarthy, Yeah, Kevin MacCarthy. Actually just it was 390 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000 yesterday, the day before it came out and said that essentially, he was 391 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,920 like he was at a Georgetown event and he said, I am not Speaker 392 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,680 of the House right now because Matt Gates was mad about an ethics complaint that 393 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,920 he like slept with a seventeen year old girl. And McCarthy said, I 394 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,119 don't know if it's true, but that's why I'm not Speaker of the House 395 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,960 now. There is truth to the fact that that's why he's not Speaker of 396 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,839 the House. But on a much was so obviously personal, On a much 397 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,359 more important note, uh, this is a really interesting question because it speaks 398 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,359 to how conservatives that have been used to the kind of Freedom Caucus model that 399 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,640 I think the Squad learned from and took some examples from. I think the 400 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,720 Squad would benefit from being more like the Freedom Caucus. But the Freedom Caucus 401 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:03,519 also has to, I think, start recognizing what the end goal is. 402 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,359 Start like getting on in the same page about what the end goal is. 403 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,839 And if the end goal is chaos, actually just be honest about that. 404 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,119 That's fine, you know, like I don't know that I agree with it, 405 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,279 but if the end goal is just saying, have you ever been able 406 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,039 to sit in on a meeting of the members of the Freedom Congress, not 407 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:23,119 the staff the congressman, and they don't agree on a lot. Yeah, 408 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,519 I mean it's kind of like it's like a club of people who don't like 409 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,279 leadership as opposed to a club of people who have like the same values. 410 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,440 But this is this is when it's like the American people who represent the Republicans 411 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,680 who are not in the Freedom Caucus would prefer if they knew what happened in 412 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,759 Washington. I think this is what Trump sort of blew the lid open on 413 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,559 most Republican voters. I'm not talking Republican leaners, but like Republican voters, 414 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:57,359 Republican base would side with the anti establishment members if they knew what was happening 415 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,119 in Washington, d C. If they think it was their job. 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If not, 433 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,000 you know, the Republican Base as an organization, If you're that kind of 434 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,960 mouthpiece, I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, like if you're actually 435 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,400 representing them here in Washington, DC, a group that has very virtually no 436 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:42,720 representation in the media, virtually no representation in the lobbying sector or among special 437 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:49,039 interests, then here you go. It's there has to be some sort of 438 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,640 like agreement on what the ultimate end goal is. And I actually understand. 439 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,599 I didn't think it was the biggest deal in the world that they got rid 440 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,960 of Kevin McCarthy, and I'm still not convinced it was the biggest deal in 441 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,559 the world. I think there would have been. I think that actually would 442 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,319 have gotten some small wins. But the question becomes are the small wins worth 443 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720 continuing to go along with the establishment to get along? And that's I think 444 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:13,559 the cost benefit analysis they're grappling with right now. It's just you have to, 445 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,079 yeah, you have to wonder what would you get from a new speaker, 446 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:19,079 Why would it be better, how would a new speaker be any stronger? 447 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,079 It's cathartic, yeah, right, it's yeah. At this point, 448 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:28,240 it's kind of like French revolutionary activity. It's not there's a couple of guys 449 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,640 in the in the interim who probably didn't quite deserve the guillotine. And it's 450 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,920 like Kevin McCarthy doesn't have a fancy job title anymore. Like that's basically the 451 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,240 He's still quite a present. But I'm saying it didn't scare. I don't 452 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:45,799 think that had the effect of like terrifying the of terrifying leadership because guess who 453 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,680 was in a really good position to take that spot, Steve Scalise. Guess 454 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,160 who Mike Johnson is dealing with right now, leadership like the leadership before him, 455 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,480 that type of group with Democrats, and this is closer to the center 456 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:04,799 than he is with Jordan. Yeah, I think that's right. And but 457 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,599 also, I mean, you look at this and you wonder why any Republican 458 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,920 would want to be I mean, it's it's been like this since Bayinner went 459 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440 down, But why would any Republican want to be speaker? Yeah? I 460 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,639 mean I agree with it. Why would anyone want to be speaker? Yeah? 461 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Nancy Pelosi wielded the gavel pretty powerfully, though she still seems to have 462 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,159 quite an influence on Democratic leadership in the House, even though what was it 463 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,800 Patrick McHenry as when he was pro tim he took away her little hideaway office 464 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,920 it's like the first thing, you know, I'll tell you what, of 465 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:37,519 all the speaker activities, I know he's like not a huge winger, but 466 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,079 all the speaker activities that have happened, that one was my favorite. But 467 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,639 I also think this is why, to your point, people don't want to 468 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,039 see another speaker change. Like even the Republican base is kind of exhausted with 469 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:52,239 it. I'm not saying up till two in the morning again to watch it. 470 00:34:52,239 --> 00:35:00,039 I don't care anymore. It's because it's because the presidential election. I 471 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,320 think when you're talking about what these victories actually are, so the Wall Street 472 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,280 Journal editorial board being like, listen, this doesn't do anything to stop the 473 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,239 FBI from lying, it was like, that's why voters want Donald Trump to 474 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,480 come in and like gut the administrative state, you know what I mean. 475 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:19,639 I just think that's why the energy is so outside of Congress right now. 476 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:25,159 Where do you remember in the tea party days where the Bayner drama was Bayner, 477 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,400 Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows. That drama was all over the networks constantly, 478 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,800 the cable networks constantly. It was kind of early days of Twitter, 479 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,519 so we were sort of all hanging on it in a way that just nobody 480 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:43,480 is right now. Yeah, I think maybe I wonder why that is. 481 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,239 Actually, I don't know, because I feel like it's so it feels like 482 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,599 what happens in the House. I mean, obviously Democrats have the Senate. 483 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:51,239 There's such just some majority in the House. It feels like anything is also 484 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:57,079 futile. I mean the Kevin McCarthy coup was covered pretty closely. Yeah, 485 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,679 that's true, that's true. I mean maybe they maybe they don't think they 486 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,519 actually are going to do it. I don't think they actually The news love 487 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:07,119 Republican dysfunction and Republicans are eager to please, but they do want like that's 488 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,519 what I was just going to say that I get the sense that they do 489 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,159 actually really want to do it. There are two or three of them that 490 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,119 are very serious. Marjorie Taillergon already filed the motion of a Kate, so 491 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,400 all they have to do is call for vote on it. I mean, 492 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,239 I think it's it's serious. I don't think it's If I had to bet 493 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,599 on it, I would say it's probably not going to happen because of what 494 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:27,400 you said. But I do also think there's might happen in spite of what 495 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,360 I said. It's just going to be very stupid because of what I said. 496 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,800 Well that sounds right, Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't. 497 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,800 I I don't trust them to do the right thing, even the people 498 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,519 I agree with. It's a disaster. The thing I was going to say 499 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,760 is like this this question of futility. Ultimately, it actually reminds me of 500 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,239 the abortion back and forth this week where Trump comes out, puts that big 501 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:59,119 statement on Monday, his kind of ninety five thecs that he's nailing to the 502 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,960 twenty twenty five wall, saying ninety five. It was classic Republican thought. 503 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,679 I don't want to talk about this. Well it was. It was sort 504 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,679 of a block and a block and bridge. You know, I did Row 505 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,880 and so now it's up to the states. It's the most republican thing he's 506 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,480 ever done. Yeah. I just feel like, yeah, I'll just live 507 00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:17,719 it to the States. Yeah. But I mean, I don't think the 508 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,679 instinct politically he knows that pro life voters are going to stick with him, 509 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,119 because again, everything else feels like an emergency. We're in a state of 510 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,519 cultural emergency. So I don't necessarily know that politically, it's the worst life 511 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:36,000 voters. It's more like block voters. The Democrats accept pro lifers actually have 512 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,199 no other political home, whereas like that's just kind of a felt and become 513 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,280 cultural mainsteam block voters, so there's no the political home. But they're actually 514 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:49,159 it's fine in the gb pro life voters have no other home and they're not 515 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,239 really welcome, and it's extremely I mean, it doesn't matter how unpopular a 516 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,440 tax cut is, doesn't matter how unpopular some corporate handout is, it doesn't 517 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,440 matter how unpopular a war is. Those guys always get another shot. The 518 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,280 pro lifers are always blamed. And I guess this is the brilliant strategy. 519 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,599 I'm not really convinced of it. A lot of my friends who are very 520 00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:13,360 smart on this say it's a really smart strategy for Trump, But I look 521 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,920 at it as well. Don't you think that the Democrats are still going to 522 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,760 paint him us an extreme mess? Do you think they're gonna if Trump Trump 523 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,679 has like a moderate Clintonian view on abortion, that they're not going to say 524 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,239 he's a crazy person. They always do that. And also regardless of what 525 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,719 Trump says, this battle is going to the States because Democrats know, just 526 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:36,599 like some kind of a bizarro Carl Rove did, every ballot they put abortion 527 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:44,400 on ups their votes amongst crazy pro abortion people, amongst white college educated women, 528 00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:50,400 especially single ones. And this is not something where it's like, hey, 529 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480 we're winning, so what is the Clara Truce or hey we're even losing. 530 00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:57,599 It's like the Clara Truth because the Democrats are not going to declare truth. 531 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,679 They're not going to agree to that. It's smart of them. Why 532 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,400 would they. They're going to put it on every state bellut regardless, so 533 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:08,000 we can Republicans can either fight in DC and the fifty states, so they 534 00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:12,840 can see in DC and still fight in the fifty states. And Democrats, 535 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,559 by the way, never think like this. They never come back and say, 536 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:19,519 you know, we'll getting sixty votes impossible, so we don't want to 537 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,360 talk about it anymore, like ever, And why can Republicans just try some 538 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:28,280 Democrat strategies for once, be like we are these people are for unrestricted abortion, 539 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,239 we're for sensible abortion reforms like they do with guns, and just try 540 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,599 to battle it out. And I mean, Republicans say it's impossible to possibly 541 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,679 get to sixty votes. Sure, but Democrats, are not going to think 542 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,679 like that, and I bet you in my lifetime they'll get to sixty votes 543 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:47,400 and pass something awful. So I was just, yeah, it was just 544 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,320 usually just going to say, I think that sense of futility on the life 545 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,360 question. So Trump came out and said basically that the Arizona Supreme Court decision. 546 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,440 I think he said it went quote too far. It's in eighteen sixty 547 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,679 four, before Arizona was a stay based as Arizona by the way, So 548 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,480 Arizona, these guys, it's like a territory for two years. Their capital 549 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,880 is one year old, and they're like those babies take over this land, 550 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,639 by the way, before gold before the gold Rush, Like, why would 551 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,760 you want to live there. It's not like your doctor said, go to 552 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,519 move to Arizona. It's good for your lungs. Yet you know, no 553 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,599 pool step two, no golf courses, yeah, step two like Indian War 554 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,840 step one, Indian War step two. Safe babies, Yeah, stop killing 555 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,960 the baby. And Trump's like the too far, Yeah, man, we 556 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,360 have one if an Americans are so weak, of course that's what Donald Trump 557 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,159 said. No, I mean, I again, I just think there's Rodre 558 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,880 had a good take on this basically that the cultural arena right now is the 559 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,679 place for Republicans to wage this war. And I think a lot of that 560 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,519 has to do with why don't Republicans act like Democrats? I agree, although 561 00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,880 I also think that question of the entire corporate press being controlled by Democrats maybe 562 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,000 it's so number one hundred times harder to the public. You can't sell policies 563 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,639 to the public about what Ralph Northam is doing when the media is lying about 564 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,960 it to them, and your message is treated as crazy and framed as insane, 565 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,320 like Christian nationalism. But that's changing, and I think that's it. 566 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,880 That's the good news is that's changing. But these some of these battles, 567 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,840 like the same pro life coverage at Fox. It used to be a rule, 568 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,119 the Roger Al's rule, which is abortion doesn't sell right, so they 569 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,960 didn't like to talk about it, and that was kept. But you're starting 570 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,199 to see it change. The only other thing I'll add Senna, you gotta 571 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,119 go to confession, and I imagine that takes you a long time, but 572 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,679 not when you're a frequent customer. You know it takes forever. As the 573 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,559 old ladies. If you ever get in line for confession behind like a seventy 574 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,480 five year old woman, eighty five year old woman. Is it because they've 575 00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:52,679 done so many bad things or they feel so guilty about the day? I 576 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,639 think that it's like camp out and talk to the priests. That sounds nice. 577 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,039 It does unless you're in line. But again, like for the American 578 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,639 people that have the APPETI for things like Trump coming in and gutting the administrative 579 00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:05,280 state, even when the media is panicking and saying, as the New York 580 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,719 Times did that like thank God for the deep state and that peace they ran, 581 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,280 like they run the EPA and they keep the they love the deep state. 582 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,199 I would love the deep state if the deep state was like foiling communist 583 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:21,519 goals left and right. But they're not. They are communists. So anyway, 584 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,280 all I'm saying is like, there's this obviously, this sounds so obvious, 585 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,239 but like the cultural arena right now, in the face of some of 586 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:35,079 these incredible, deeply rooted political opposition, political challenges, you know, it's 587 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,639 politics is not always going to be the policy is not always going to be 588 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:44,559 realistic in the realm of the politics of the possible. And that's a you 589 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,559 know, it's fertile ground for conservatives to go change hearts and minds, even 590 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:52,679 when it's it's not possible to do that in Congress or in state legislatures. 591 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,079 Yeah, go confess, Chris. Thanks And by the way, why are 592 00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,880 we going to do a podcast on the Bachelor? Because I now have to 593 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,000 watch it all the time. I hate the Bachelor. I have to watch 594 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,880 it. But you're people sometimes assume that I like the Bachelor because then because 595 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,639 you watch white woman who loves reality television the Bachelor. I think I've we've 596 00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:14,840 done podcasts and why. I think the Bachelor is the worst version of reality 597 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,599 TV. So we should do it. We should do it next week. 598 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,519 It's it's kind of secretly conservative standards. Yeah, no, I think you're 599 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,320 right. We can debate that though. Sure. Stay tuned, stay tuned, 600 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,239 let's do it. You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio 601 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,320 Hour. Emily Treshenski, culture editor here at the Federals Joint Today by Christopher 602 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,920 Bedford, will be back soon with more. Until then, be the lovers 603 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:42,159 of freedom and anxious for the Fray