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Well, here we are. We
are alive here from Saint Louis, across

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the street from the ballot of them
getting a little bit of the background light

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here, but I think that's okay. We are live here. We have

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the Professor Andrew Murray here as always, and then Anthony Miller here credential covering

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the game today. If anything sounds
weird, looks weird, let me know.

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I think we've done all the checks
and everything. Just a reminder if

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We're gonna give away two season ticket
sets to the UFL twenty twenty five

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seasons, so be aboard with that. First off, Anthony, how are

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you doing? We had fun last
night. We went to Hooters, walked

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around at downtown Sate Loois. How
are you doing? Anthey, I mess

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that's Okay, we still had a
good times. It's weird to be here.

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It's kind of weird. Last year
we made the same comments in Sanchia,

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like oh, we actually got to
a championship game, like this is

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great, And now this year is
like, wow, we have USFL and

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XFL growing at it for the UFL
Championship. It just feels like a completely

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different world from what it was just
a year ago, even just six months

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ago. I know were we were. What was it? It was Anthony

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and Evan and I were at Arlington
for the kickoff and now we are here

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twelve weeks later or whatever. Andy, how are you doing here? Missed

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last week? John Lewis filled in. John Lewis will be on the show

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Big guest list coming up today.
I'll plug you that in a second.

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By that, Andy, how are
you doing sir? Well, I have

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to tell you read it's just as
hot here as it was in Mexico.

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However, there is nearly a sea
turtle or beach and side, so the

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climate could be a little bit different. But no, it's greatly back.

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I'm happy to see you. You
and John did a great job last week.

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You absolutely punked John with that video
of his predictions of all the beginning

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of the year really really just masterpiece
work by you read. But no,

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it's fantastic to be here. I'm
excited U Saint Louis has been on.

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Actually, I know this sounds crazy, but it actually has been a bucket

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list citing of mind for a long
time. But I've heard a lot about

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the Gateway. We saw it last
night, all lit up the arts.

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Hopefully we get a chance to go
into it. But no, I'm very

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excited to be here and just be
back at State Side. Yeah, everyone's

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checking in here at Genas checking in
a Blues Fall fan. Yes, we

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man. Yeah, Like I said, I think I fixed Anthony's mike.

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If there's any mike issues, just
put it in the chat. I think

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I've got it. But rolling here
through here, so we will be here

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live for the next ten twelve minutes
or so. Then we have a big

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guest list today. I've posted in
in the YouTube description here. But Pat

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Raffino's going to be joining. We
thought Pat was going to be here today,

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his work commitments and not allowed him
to be here. Emery Hunt everyone

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loves Emory Max producer Max is going
to be on the aforementioned John Lewis,

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we're gonna have Greg Parks, Mike
Mitchell, Evan Will's more rounded it out,

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so it should be fun here every
fifteen minutes or so. Yes,

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John says, excuse me, he
is still hurting from that punking. Yes

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we got we got John punked on
that. But anyway, big guest,

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list like and subscribe. We're talking
the game today. We're going to be

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talking kind of sights and sounds or
lack thereof around the stadium, you know,

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all the kind of stuff we do, not try to be overly critical,

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but trying to be optimistic about,
you know, and realistic about everything.

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I go firstus Andy, just because
we were at coffee today looking at

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like sights and sounds around here.
What do you make of this today?

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Because we've had a lot of comments
like Arthur signages or what's going on?

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What have you made of kind of
a lack thereof around the around the stadium?

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Yet not too many signs. I
mean I saw more signs for the

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Saint Louis Blues that are hockey team
than I have really for the champions Giam.

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However, that has not stopped us
from seeing a number of individuals who

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have worn colors from the league.
A couple of Ballahawks fans obviously still maybe

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grumbling about last week, still floating
around. Plenty of Birmingham people coming around

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here. We've we've run into a
number of individuals our hotel lobby. I

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will say this is absolutely pommin.
I not believe we are at the We

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are at the Stallion's headquarters. I
posted that. I said, hey,

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I could have pulled the fire alarm
last night, so we be lucky there.

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But yes, that we are in
the Stallions. They have vandalized their

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own media sign nange here and there's
truly a Birmingham tag over here at the

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hotel. Yeah, it really is. But no, I mean, obviously

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this is the thing that is important
to see, especially when you have a

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game like this that's a neutral site
game, a game that maybe out of

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towners or people that are in Saint
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during Vaalahawks season, when it's going
on, there's plenty of of signage around

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the town. As far as I
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on. I haven't really seen so
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goes. But maybe perhaps when we're
going around the stadium we'll see more of

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it, but we've been mostly in
quarters our hotel quarder so far. Yeah,

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it's been fun. We were here
last night. We saw Russ Brandon

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shit chatty and I have Stuf friend
of the sir Rus Julio walking around.

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Just see a lot of networking.
Nothing too crazy here, Moose. Was

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that Starbucks with us today for breakfast? That was excited. I got a

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couple of questions here, but first
anti thoughts. Yeah, walking around the

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city, I mean, what do
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to WrestleMania the first Wrestlingdia I went
two years ago, flying in and seeing

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like signage around the convention center,
around the stadium, like feeling like you

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were kind of in your own pocket
in the city of like anyone around your

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kind of knows. I really like
that. We don't get it, we

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don't have any of that. I
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We've kind of bemoaned this, But
what's your thoughts on that? Yeah,

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so I'm actually saying the hotel right
next to you, guys, and

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there's actually a lot of Roman camp
Stalli fans there as well. So there's

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been a lot more Stallion fans than
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I've seen some, I have seen
a couple of renegades. I have seen

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just UFL in general, but it
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headquarters. But you know, I've
seen more Saint Louis Cardinals and like Andy

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said, Blues stuff than I've really
seen with any battle Hawks or UFL stuff.

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So, you know, I didn't
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we I drove around with the Uber
driver around the Dome stadium, and I

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honestly didn't see anything UFL. Really. I was lucky to see if the

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present any signage or anything like that. I saw absolutely nothing for it.

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So I you know, I think
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this weekend, I think there would
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would have pushed it a lot more. But I think just because the battle

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Hawks are not here, they probably
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it, or I don't know what
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just haven't seen as much I would
have. I would like to see more,

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though. I think that's something they
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Yeah, A couple of comments here
and Pat Sandy by ring pat On

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here at twelve fifteen. You know, I posted on Twitter and part of

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it was kind of a joke,
but I do mean that, like it's,

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you know, we have the rock
with the Cody cry babies or in

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WrestleMania. Now it does really feel
like kind of the Cocock cry Babies that

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we're not here, Like our attendance
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we don't appreciate it. Like I
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surprising. I mean, we we
pot on our Monday recap, we pulled

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up the seating chart, saw a
lot of you know, resale tickets,

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which was surprising to me. So
I do mean that. I'm like,

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you're here, the tickets are bought, Show up, show out. Jenna

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has a comment post in the chat
with you think, what's the first score?

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It's at shanderfield goal. Let's get
the you know, the let's get

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the algorithm working a little bit here
and then football Binge wants to know where'd

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you get the custom jersey? This
is real retros. He hooked me a

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Dustin hooked me up, It says
Mark cast on the back. I wore

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this and when we were down here
for Memorial Day at Choctaw. Get on

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there. He'll do custom ones,
but we always include some of our giveaways,

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so I get subscribed, be a
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up to four thousand, but we
always a couple of giveaways Dustin. I

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think we had four for the last
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last week. We had the Tayamu
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DJ Walker, So that was all
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know ufl Isaac, thanks for putting
me in the spinning wheel. Yeah,

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so like and subscribe, get a
part of that. We'll do the season

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tickets. I would like to get
all that done before the season kicks out,

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but I don't know if we're gonna
I don't know how hot the CFL

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content will be this summer, but
we'll see, I guess football wise year.

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And then, like I said,
we'll bring in Pat Anthony will go

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first and just general thoughts for the
game, and then I think we'll get

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more into the league and the season
as we go on. But let's talk

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a little football at the start.
Yeah, So I like it. It's

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an interesting game because I think the
Bramos have better individual talent than the Birmingham

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Stallions do. Like you look,
I look at the roster for the Bromos

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and I'm thoroughly impressed with them,
and I think it took It was a

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crime that there wasn't any like there
wasn't there was just two all UFL selections.

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But there's so much talent on offense
and d. But I also understand,

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like Michigan had a lot of good
talent, Birmingham had a lot of

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good talent, so I understand why
that happened. But you know, I

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love the mentality of this Promise team
and Wade Phillips and you know, they're

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they're the underdogs because you know,
being an Eagles fan, and we were

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the under dogs of every game when
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eighteen. So I think the problems
have that same mentality. But to me,

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it's just the way the Stallions play
overall. Is a team. It's

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just look, they've lost four games
in the last three years and there's a

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reason for it. They're very you
know, last week may not show it

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because of the four turnovers, but
This is a very disciplined team. They're

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very smart. They don't get you
know, craze when they're down by a

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lot like they they know how to
win games. This has been this team

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has a winning mentality. Skip Holes
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a you know, you see his
demeanor on the side, like like when

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Adrian Martinez was making you know,
mistakes, like Skip was going up to

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him and he wasn't yelling at him, he was just coaching him through it.

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You know, I do this thing
when I'm a salesman wer when I

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do like the compliments him which like
a compliment, then you know, get

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the criticism and then you compliment him
at the end. Like Skip Holes does

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that a lot, and it really
resonates well with the players and they really

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seem to connect with him on that
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side, I love the individual town
for the proms, especially with guys like

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Anthony McFarland junior, you know,
Johntay Kirkland, like those guys have really

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made a difference in the offense.
But you know, the stallions that the

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one interesting thing I want to see
today is the quarterback position. You know

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how it's going to work with Andrew
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guys are going to play in some
capacity unless Martinez absolutely kills it in his

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first couple of drives. But I'd
like to see how the quarterback situation is

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going to be today. Yeah,
Andy, what do you like? I

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know you were out last week.
You kind of obviously saw its other games.

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But yeah, this this disrespect that
the Brahmas felt that, like,

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oh, we were in the All
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Mike reported that it at least told
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way and way then the Coach of
the Year. I mean, it really

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feels like the Brahmas got like the
Renegades last year, playing with the chip

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on their shoulder. Look, this
promised team absolutely deserves to be here.

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They proved it thoroughly. They made
basically everyone eat their own crow, and

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I'm gonna have to eat my own
here on the show too, just like

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mister Lewis did last week on your
show. Look, this team has been

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remarkably resilient given the circumstances, given
the fact that most of this roster,

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these coaches removed from the Houston market, obviously over to San Antonio, a

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lot of transition injuries, Chase Garber's
getting hurt, a man who I'll be

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honest, before the season, I
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as a passer or really as a
commander of this offense. But he has

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been brilliant in the time that he
has played with them. He's been methodical,

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accurate, smart. This whole team
that plays with a lot of discipline

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similar to the Stallion's team I think
we talked about as well, just a

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lot of even keel emotions anytime something
gets out of hand. This team has

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really held firm in the face of
a really lot of tough storms. I

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mean, I go back to that
Week two win against Memphis, when they

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were down. They had absolutely the
reason coming back in that game, there

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was four and a half minutes left
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two touchdown drives. Garber's engineering those, and I think that's up the tone

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for the rest of the season.
They knew that they can win, and

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they will win if everything goes right. But they are just remarkably resilient.

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really get this offense to hume at
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honestly, like I said, I
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started, as were a lot of
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they have one more chance to really
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couple of comments. We're ringing Pat
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san Antonio with a Kurkland TD.
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and alahais Zach, you got to
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at the game, first score will
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be the first game to go to
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not reading for any one. Look
root for the Mark cast, Zach,

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Root for the Mark Cast. All
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is different from san Antonio. Phillip
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playing today. And then we have
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is a definition of legit. So
there you go. Liking that, Let's

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bring in yes, we'll bring in
Pat here. But yeah, let's bring

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in very happy BC Lions back to
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the Mariners, be the Rangers,
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Anthony. But this was just and
we're bringing Pat. This is at the

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stage we are. You know,
we were in Saint Louis, Like everybody's

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like, hey, Reed, where
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out? We're doing carrier all this. We sat at the bar, watched

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the CFL game on Anty's iPad.
CFL haters v damn, that's what we

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were doing. I know far home
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watched the Mariners as well. So
really doing all that. Let's bring in

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Patrick, sir. How are you
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I wish I was with you guys, obviously, but duty calls as they

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say, yeah we're here. Pat. Let me see if I can bump

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your mic up a little bit.
I think you're good on your end,

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Pat, Yeah, thoughts thoughts on
the concock cry babies here? You're the

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local Saint Louis now obviously not here
right now? What's your thoughts about like

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this kind of well, this league
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we've been taking for granted all season. I mean, the fans don't play

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the game. The team has to
win. And I know the league appreciates,

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appreciates the Saint Louis fans because they
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So it's like they were kind of
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able to go. But in the
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football games, like last year.
I think I don't know if I said

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it on the last time I was
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think I was like, yeah,
it sucks like they won seven games.

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But I remember I remember, like
there was a Mets team that won like

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ninety games and didn't make the playoffs. It happens in baseball all the time,

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where you have a ninety two win
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and it comes down the one or
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It's sports. Not everyone can get
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where half the league is getting in
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I think it's a it's an eight
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ten games, every game counts.
Win the games, Like, I mean,

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it sucks, but you know,
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there last year and won, So
how could we be like they didn't deserve

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to get in. I mean,
they beat a good defenders team that five,

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six, seven of those guys got
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they beat a good you know,
they beat a good Houston team that if

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it wasn't for maybe an injury to
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been in that championship game as well. So I mean, I think you've

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got to get over it. I
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this isn't the Saint Leuis BattleHawks League. This is the UFL. Now it's

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all one team technically, so if
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go to the game. And I
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to watch. So I mean,
this is it for football, you know,

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like for me? Yeah, I
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was messaging with the league, one
of the league officials last night and they

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were like, hey, what,
like what do you think attendance is going

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to be? And I said,
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a lot of you know, upset
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lost fair and square. Well they
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too, and that didn't prevent it
as well. Yeah, and these aren't

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controversial calls where it's like he's in, he's out. I mean when they

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lost to Seattle, I think they
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they had I mean, they mismanaged
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and I mean their clock management the
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where they could you know. I
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to get sidetracked, but in this
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such a high percentage, with the
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mindset of go for the field goal
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you still need the nine or ten
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as I feel comfortable in field goal
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then I'm going to go for that
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and whatnot. So I felt,
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lot about last week. But I
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mean, one, it doesn't really
affect your life. I mean, I

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don't think these people bet enough income
on these games to have life changing income

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being being altered by it. So
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enjoy the game. If you don't, if you're that hard up on it,

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don't go to the game. How
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able to go to a championship football
game in Saint Louis regardless, So yeah,

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let's get let's get attendance predictions in
the chat. I know that was

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something people wanted to know. We
have a question here. We'll circle around

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here and then we'll get back to
Pat here on this, which I like

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doing the kind of the live shows
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some steff by this. See my
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I think it will be Tuesday.
This we wants to know and I have

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thoughts. We'll go around. Is
this the most promising spring football has ever?

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Let we'll go first Anthony. Yes, I think the talent level we've

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talked about, We'll go to you, Pat. The talent level is the

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best that we have seen in spring
football, at least probably since the USFL

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back in the eighties. I think
it's gonna be interesting how they handled the

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next year or so when it comes
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local markets and getting you know,
people excited about the coaches and players.

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And you know, the one thing
the XFL did well last year, and

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even the USFL has done lot,
you know, back in twenty twenty two,

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was they did a great job of
telling the story of these players and

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these coaches. You know, the
USFL had that that documentary that they were

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shooting like once a week that we
got to watch behind the scenes stuff with

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you know, the XFL last year
they had their own documentary with that.

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I would like to see more of
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bring back a documentary where we can
watch, you know, once a week

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for thirty minutes to an hour,
what's going on behind the scenes, you

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know, to tell stories about the
players, because that's that's what it's all

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about. And I know this year
was different just because there was a merger

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and it was a lot to put
everything together last second. But I want

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to see more stuff like that next
year so we can get connected to these

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players and coaches because I know there's
a push for everyone to be like,

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well, we don't want to make
this a developmental league, but we want

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to make this its own, like
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Well, let's start acting like it
and start getting you know, these

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fans used to these players that are
gonna you know, you look at guys

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like Luis Perez, his story is
great. I don't know, you know,

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i'd love for him to be in
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he's ever going to get into the
NFL. Like spring football is kind of

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his thing, so let's, you
know, let's keep telling his story and

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stories that are similar to it.
So yeah, this is the best I

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think we've had in spring football.
But you know, we're going to see

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the next year or two. You
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to see, you know, how
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I just say said not from that, Like I agree with you the

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documentary player fifty four, you have
football whatever, But like providing more players

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to local media isn't great, Like
if you don't want to expand to doing

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and weekly like we're going to fly
it because like I was in DC with

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the player fifty four crew for the
playoffs last year for the XMFL. I'm

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like, you know, it's a
huge undertaking, Like I get, and

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I would like to see that too, and more support than the UFL Today

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show and like actually promoting that on
social media and posting that. But like,

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just let's have more than two media
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the championship game. I don't think
that's crazy. Anyway, what's your thoughts

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on this? And we'll get to
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I have thoughts. I want to
give it a little bit. I do

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think from a talent perspective in this
century, I will say it's not as

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good as it's going to be.
I really do believe that. As far

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as whether it's being as recognized as
it should be, obviously we have a

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lot of thoughts on that. I
think it's getting better. I am very

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encouraged by the TV ratings last week. I think those were actually passed my

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expectations, to be honest. So
from an exposure standpoint, sure, as

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far as TV goes, absolutely,
I think it's probably about where you're gonna

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have it. But as far as
getting that message out further. There's a

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lot more work that needs to be
done, and I do believe that that's

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really the part of it. I
do think, And maybe Jason can disagree

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with me, and I'm sure a
lot of Canadians have been disagree with me,

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but I do think it can be
at a point where, similar to

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the CFL, where we know this
product is great, we need to get

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the message out more. There needs
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people were debating about this last night, but I mean the Lions just hosted

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the VC Lines hosted over fifty three
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I mean, you could debate whether
or not they were there for a concert

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or a football game, but the
fact of the matter is those people were

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in those seats in that stadium and
a lot of people got exposed to that

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game and to not only the franchise, but to CFL Canadian football in general

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for the first time in their lives. So that experience can also be had

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here in spring football. You can
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their first experience, the first paste
of this sort of experience, and I

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think that needs to be more addressed. But as far as as far as

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as the like I said, the
talent loving Bobo goes a lot of coaching,

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I do think it's pretty exceptional.
I just want to see I really

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just want to see it more visible. As I said, that's really my

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biggest takeaway. Let's go pat and
then I'll give a little spil. I

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mean, I think I think as
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don't think anything tops in our lifetime
the XFL twenty twenty. I just think

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it was so dynamic, and I
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I definitely agree. Something that I
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talent. Right now, and I
think I've talked with John Vogel both on

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air and off about this is now
that COVID is kind of evening out.

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year old men who are shooting to
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like seven years of eligibility plus the
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You know, their mom had a
birthday, so they could you know it's

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it's mildly ridiculous with the transfer portal
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you're starting to get these influx of
guys to where like, yeah, are

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they NFL players, But NFL gms
are like, well, I need this

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guy to be my kickoff guy,
and there's a twenty two year old that

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I could pay the same. I
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old. Like the Utah quarterback Cam
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he comes out, I'm pretty sure. I mean, does he get an

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NFL shot? Yeah? Possibly,
I don't know. That's a different show.

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influx of talent that the expert or

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the UFL could like benefit from and
whatnot. And reed, I know,

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I wrote this article about about it
on your thing. Is like the QB

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purge and whatnot, because there's like
this influx of guys, like you know,

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there was Chase Daniel and Brian Hoyer
and like Mike Glennan who were clogging

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roster spots and whatnot. Those guys
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I do believe part of it is
because you know, the UFL and just

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like the kind of this like trickling
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to come on here and probably talk
about that, but it's like do we

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do we like what's going to be
the kind of like evening out of like

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the AJ mccherons versus like the Brian
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would never get an opportunity, but
talent level wise, yeah, marketing level

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wise, it's the whole let's just
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I kind of I don't know.
I'm really positive right now in the TV

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ratings. I'm really positive about how
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hell what Andy said you. I
think the playoffs succeeded and we've seen the

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growth all year. I don't know
if and I've said this last week,

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00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.599
I don't know if we see that
thirty forty percent growth again next year because

407
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.319
you can't give more time slots.
We're talked and we have the report out

408
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.079
that it's going to be and Mike
was reporting that, you know the Friday

409
00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.599
night you know UFL games potentially not
expansion, right, We're just going to

410
00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.799
be moving game expansion, but we're
going to be moving games for Friday,

411
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:03.480
So I think that's gonna hurt.
And then I always hear in the back

412
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:10.240
of my head this like Fox,
UFL Divide, Redbird kind of whatever,

413
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.960
and I I mean it's really outside
of like more on my purview the like

414
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:15.480
I don't know, that's more of
like a mic thing, like hey,

415
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.799
what do you know whatever? But
like I hear enough rumblings about that,

416
00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:23.599
Like I think that there's something going
on there with you know, like Fox

417
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.400
and thinking Okay, well we know
what we're doing and like we don't need

418
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.680
to spend as much, like how
much money we saved the first year and

419
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.720
then the XFL you guys lost all
this money. It's like I don't know

420
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:34.920
if that comes into a head,
Like I don't know if you guys have

421
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.319
any thoughts about that, but like
it still doesn't feel like it's it's like

422
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.880
from from enough of what I hear. It's not like in sembatico like we're

423
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:45.480
all in this together. Still does
that make sense? Yeah, I think

424
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.279
it's this Leak is just trying to
find their identity right now, Like this

425
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.759
merger was never gonna be smooth and
like get going. It's I think it's

426
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.319
been as smooth as it can be
under those circumstances. But yeah, I

427
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.920
mean you got two different mentalities where
you know, the USFL they had their

428
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:02.920
option, they would still have their
four hub cities for this year. And

429
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.119
then if you know, if it
was the XFL, they would probably be

430
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.640
you know, continuing playing in their
home markets. Like there is a different

431
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.519
mentality to it. At the end
of the day, you know, the

432
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.279
I don't know if it's a USFL
side or or whatnot, but this league

433
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.880
has got to realize eventually, you're
gonna have to spend money. You're gonna

434
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:22.160
have to get these players into their
home markets, get these coaches to home

435
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.440
markets, and get them connected with
the you know, the people in their

436
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.720
local markets. Because if you don't
do that, then they're they're they're eventually

437
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.960
not gonna care. You know that
they they have to be able to do

438
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.240
that. And you know, you
can play conservatively and maybe it work this

439
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.440
year, but next year, I
want them to be more aggressive in marketing.

440
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.799
I want to see them out in
you know, doing more local events.

441
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.559
I don't want I don't want to
see DC Defender players going to doing

442
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:51.319
Salvation Army in Arlington, Like that's
that's not gonna help Like DC fans don't

443
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.119
care because you're not helping Washington,
You're helping Arlington, Texas like this is

444
00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:00.160
this is not the Arlington defenders like
these are the DC defenders. Get them

445
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.160
in their cities. That's how you're
going to make this thing better. I

446
00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:07.599
mean the ratings are encouraging, that's
good. I think it will continued to

447
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:08.720
slowly go up. I don't think
I like you said, right, I

448
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.960
don't think it'll go as much next
year. But yeah, I think the

449
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.440
big thing is just get just get
in your home markets and spend a little

450
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.519
more on it, and like it's
it's not going to kill you to do

451
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.119
it. Let's go Andy and then
Pat and then wederstand the Bible swap out

452
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.720
here at the bottom of the hour. Andy thoughts, I think there's a

453
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:27.799
difference between being rugle and protecting your
treaser jest. And for me, I

454
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.799
think there's a little bit of asset
protection as opposed to asset spendash And for

455
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.960
me, I just the reason I
think this is such a pop part part

456
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.680
of the discussion is because when you
decide to be a little bit more conservative,

457
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.880
if you're spending you're going to hold
back and not want to do some

458
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.000
of the things that you want,
which, look, I understand. I'm

459
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.799
not saying go out there and shoot
off all the fireworks, because it looks

460
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:55.359
pretty like we've seen cases in the
past with teams or sports leagues that tried

461
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.880
something and it failed, but maybe
it was memorable. I just got done

462
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.079
reading Paul Woods's book about the Rocket
Rocket Your Mail and the one year the

463
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:08.920
Toronto Argonauts one in nineteen ninety one
when Bruce McNall, Wayne Gretzky, and

464
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.920
John Candy all on the team and
they all just basically went for broke and

465
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:17.200
just did a bunch of crazy stuff. It was spectacular or it was messy.

466
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.680
They won the title and then they
basically went back. We're basically bankrupt

467
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.640
after that. But it was extremely
memorable. So I'm not like that's the

468
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.079
extreme level of it. I think
you can have a happy medium where you

469
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.440
can say, hey, let's spend
a little bit of money, let's put

470
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.759
in a little bit of capital.
Let's at least start putting targeted marketing and

471
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.519
trying to attack certain demographics. We're
not I'm again, I'm not saying that

472
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.039
you have to go parting all of
your cash out out the window, Like,

473
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.200
that's not what I'm saying. But
what I am saying is that there

474
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.039
needs to be at least a little
more forethought of. It's not just going

475
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.000
to be statis quo, because status
quo and writing the line isn't really going

476
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.519
to push the envelope. It's just
going to keep things even keel, which

477
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.559
from a survivability standpoint, I understand. But as far as like getting new

478
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.319
people really thriving and trying to at
least attempting to grow your asset, which

479
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.119
I think is the ultimate goal,
I would think from Fox that everyone involved

480
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.039
here you have to be able to
push your chips a little bit more into

481
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.039
the bill of table. I got
a comment here from Logan. We'll touch

482
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.160
on that. I think when Max
comes on about expansion and then after the

483
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.440
season, Pat, let's get to
you here and then we'll swap out with

484
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.200
them right here and just submitted Pat
thoughts on that. I mean, I

485
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.880
I think Andy's Andy's right. The
only thing I'd like to hear more on

486
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.880
is like his targeted marketing and whatnot. I'm I mean, I feel I

487
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.880
feel like something with Saint Louis I
feel like something with Saint Louis, you

488
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.839
got to get them over the hump
of like the forty five K and whatnot.

489
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.519
I don't know what that is,
but my targeted marketing would be more

490
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:48.559
towards obviously the bottom half of the
attendance list and whatnot. I think with

491
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.759
Saint Louis, you go with that. To save funds, you go with

492
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.960
it. It's not broke, what's
not fixed. If it ain't broke,

493
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.480
don't fix it type thing. And
that's kind of if we're talking about like

494
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:03.000
saving money. But I mean,
also I think it would help if they

495
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.559
would make a championship game and win
the games they're supposed to win on that

496
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.640
front. Reid, obviously, I
know it's Emery's time to kind of punch

497
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.200
out or for me, I did
want to add something that I want to

498
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.839
say in the beginning of the hour, A big shout out by the way

499
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:25.000
to a couple Missouri natives. Dan
Issam Saint Louis guy. His father used

500
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:30.279
to be the police chief there.
He's a defensive back for the Birmingham Stallions.

501
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.279
So you should see a couple of
those guys. And then you know

502
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.519
someone and I'll call him out.
Luke was like, Oh, I'm seeing

503
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.799
all these Nebraska guys there for Adrian
Martinez. No, it's actually Carlos Davis,

504
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:47.160
who is a Kansas City native,
which Kansas City football probably one of

505
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:52.279
the most underrated places in the United
States from recruiting. That's a lot of

506
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.200
his family is there because and then
maybe we'll see some other Casey natives there

507
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.240
as well. So I mean,
overall, I think I think it's give

508
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.960
me a good game. So I
mean I'm excited for it. I think

509
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:08.319
Birmingham wins. Yeah, throwing in
throwing it in there, all right.

510
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.519
I was trying to text my mom
will link to watch the show. I

511
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.000
ended up sending it to Hop on
the show. So I don't know if

512
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.759
you're texting your mom to get another
year of eligibility for the Mark cast.

513
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.319
Yeah, no, I don't know
if we need those Susan's thoughts here on

514
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.240
the show. Well, we'll get
her on the watching the YouTube comment All

515
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.960
right, Pat, I appreciate it. We wish you could have been here.

516
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.480
Yeah, always, guys, thank
you great stuff. Uh so we

517
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:34.839
so, like I said here,
we're bringing on Emory Hunt. Like the

518
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.400
subscribe give us some four thousand subscribers
your big guest list here, Emory's is

519
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.880
one of the many coming on.
But if you Emory, people love hearing

520
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.440
from you. One here. How
are you doing, sir? We did

521
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.079
our big playoff preview show a couple
of weeks ago, and now you're calling

522
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.640
olf games. Anthony's involved them as
well. Busy guy, how are you

523
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:52.440
doing doing? Fun? Man?
Appreciate you'll bring me on the show as

524
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.960
always. Do you guys have questions
for Emory? I think about that.

525
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.319
I'll ask him one here and then
maybe we can toss to the panel thoughts

526
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:01.920
about the game today. I mean
that Brahma is playing with the chip on

527
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.720
their shoulder here. I can't remember
if you had them winning against the BattleHawks,

528
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:08.359
I would presume probably not. So
what do you make in the championship

529
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:12.480
game to that? You know?
It's fun because I know we're gonna get

530
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.839
a competitive game. I know we're
gonna get a physical game. And this

531
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.799
will still has some more intrigue as
we know the law the loan loss for

532
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.160
Birmingham comes from San Antonio, so
we know, even though you can't really

533
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.920
peg what is San Antonio's offense,
you know even now as we're in the

534
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:36.079
championship game, but they find ways
to score enough to win games. We

535
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.279
know their defense is good. Their
run game, I think is better than

536
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:42.559
their passing game, but their passing
game, for whatever reason, finds fire

537
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.960
at some point in the in the
game. And we've seen Birmingham kind of

538
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.799
get bored with their opponents at some
point in times sometimes that that has came

539
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.200
back to haunt them, as it
has uh them when they when they lost

540
00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.160
that game. So this should be
fun. Quarterback is gonna be intrigued for

541
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.920
Birmingham. We know we have the
MVP at Birmingham with Adrian Martinez, but

542
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.839
you know, we saw how that
was going for them last weekend and needed

543
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.319
Matt Correll, which just adds all
kinds of intrigue to this ball game.

544
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.440
So I'm excited to see how it's
going to play out because I know we're

545
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.519
gonna get a good game no matter
what. We got here, Javon checking

546
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.680
in there the czar of the playbook
and that's good. And then Pat here

547
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.160
at fun fact, I'm reasoning the
first on the screen I've met in real

548
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:28.440
life. So there you go.
Yeah, Pat, we tried Pat.

549
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.839
We can to Saint Louis. We
can know what these amouts. It's like

550
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.319
I get that a lot when I
go to like the CFL, and then

551
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.440
the people they're like, oh well, and then they don't. I'm like,

552
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.039
I'm in Canada. I've done the
art work like you need to,

553
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.440
Like I've had that where people are
in like other sections just in the stadium.

554
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.839
I'm like, okay, we're I'm
in there. Statement profits here thoughts

555
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.160
on that, Let's get Anthony like, yeah, because the Brahmas like haven't

556
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.319
been great all year, I mean, you know, and they working with

557
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.200
injuries and like he said, you
know, consistency. It really it feels

558
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:58.400
like a different vibe than Birmingham.
When's your thoughts on memories comments. I

559
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.440
think it's San Antonio. It's their
defense has been consistent, right, They've

560
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.759
been the best defense in the league
this year. I think overall, I

561
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.199
think it's just been their offenses.
I don't know, even last year when

562
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.400
they were the Houston Roughnecks, like
there was just something weird about the offense.

563
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.199
Like the first half of the season, the offense was spectacular, and

564
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.320
then Kirklin got hurt and then all
of a sudden, we'll spell off the

565
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.599
wagon for the offense and it was
just really inconsistent. I think the difference

566
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.199
between this San Antonio team this year
from the Houston Roughnecks team last year is

567
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.119
I think the running game is stronger. I think when you have Anthony McFarland

568
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.239
junior, you got John love It, you got Morgan Ellison. Like that

569
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.480
run that backfield in San Antonio is
ridiculous, and I think that's been that

570
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.440
was the big thing that what Houston
was getting better at last year towards the

571
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.840
end of the season was running the
football with Max Bourge in them. But

572
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.519
this this running game has really made
a difference. But you know, there's

573
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.840
there is some creativity in AJ's offense
with San Antonio, but I don't know

574
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.480
it just it feels like they're a
big play offense and then like the rest

575
00:34:55.480 --> 00:35:00.360
of the plays is very like short
yard situations, Like they don't they don't

576
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.719
bomb the ball down the field like
Chase Garbs of them the strongest harm but

577
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.719
he's really accurate with the football.
He's very precise with that. He knows

578
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.119
where to put the football where it
needs to be. And I think that

579
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.639
you know, it's not the sexiest
offense, but I think San Antonio's offense

580
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.360
has been very efficient in how they're
doing it. I think they're like fourth

581
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.599
in the league in total offense,
but they're one of the more efficient offenses.

582
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.880
I think that's what makes them and
Birmingham in this championship game right now,

583
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.199
is because both teams can run and
pass ball, be efficient and protect

584
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.119
the football. Yeah, that's a
really good and I mean this is obviously

585
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.679
have Anthony and Emory on here are
really good comments around, like yeah,

586
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:36.480
because I don't know, A j
was like hot last year and he was

587
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.679
on the show and then I know
he had like he just it feels like

588
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.639
this year like the Stella never got
his groove going, Like I don't know,

589
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.840
it just feels like a really weird. It doesn't feel like the same

590
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.320
offense through or at least I don't
know any of this, but it doesn't

591
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.079
feel like the same kind of team. We watch it, and I know

592
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.239
obviously all those kinds of things that
the team on the field. I think

593
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.039
it really boils down to injuries for
him. I mean, as Anthony mentioned,

594
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:59.519
Johshrey Kirkle in the second he went
off the offense for Houston last year.

595
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.280
Things kind of pill apart. Also, Randon Silvers was banged up last

596
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.760
year, and this year you kind
of saw the same thing a little bit

597
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:06.800
when Chase Garver's was out of the
lineup and they had a bit of a

598
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.880
rotation quit. Dormerty tried his best, but I've never seen a man have

599
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.840
the propensity to throw it into the
fire more than Dormerty does. There are

600
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.079
times where he tries to fit into
the tightest window possible, and sometimes it

601
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.519
goes well and sometimes not so much. So I think having someone like Garbaus

602
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.159
who's so even keel and be able
to kind of control the blow of the

603
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.719
offense really helps a j Smith kind
of control that vision and really play out

604
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.400
his game plan that he Obviously he
does tremendous work every week. He just

605
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.719
seems to always have an idea of
what he wants to do. It doesn't

606
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.119
always get executed, but I do
think they've been a lot more even keel

607
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.440
this year as far as executing their
plan. But I actually wanted to turn

608
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.400
a question over to every every I'm
sure you and I both are just a

609
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.360
little bit bewildered that san Antonio had
been gott into this position in the first

610
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.679
place for you, what's been maybe
the most standout or the most significant part

611
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.320
of the San Antonio Ramas in kind
of disturb bring the established order here and

612
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.880
being in the championship game. They've
been winning with subpar quarterback play. If

613
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:10.280
we are being completely honest and listen, I was I was early in the

614
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.519
preseason telling folks that garbage can play
a little bit. You know, garbage

615
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:23.559
is not not bad. But when
you look at the UFL, CFL ELF,

616
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.280
all of these leagues, right these
secondary leagues to the NFL, it

617
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:35.679
is it is very tough to find
sustained success if you don't have a quarterback

618
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.119
that is mobile. And we're not
talking about someone that's out there running a

619
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.039
four two, but you have to
be able to evade pressure, create all

620
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.159
scripts, get outside the pocket,
do things above the x's and o's,

621
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:53.159
and those that tend to have those
quarterbacks I e. Birmingham consistently have been

622
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.920
able to win and we saw that
last night with the BC lines in Calgary

623
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.000
Stampeder's game. It's a difference between
Vernon Adams and Jake Mayer, and in

624
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.199
this game, it could be the
difference between a win for Birmingham and a

625
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:14.000
loss for san Antonio, but watching
them, you know, play in spite

626
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.320
of quarterback play, but it's because
of you guys with what you guys touched

627
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.280
on the explosive element of the run
game. I think it's funny when you

628
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:28.440
talk about the backs, it's it's
fascinating to watch how san Antonio leans into

629
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.599
their talent and gets those guys the
football. On the other side, Birmingham,

630
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:38.199
yes they've always had a two back
tandem, but every year we've watched

631
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.079
Birmingham, whether it's the two years
in the USFL and this year in the

632
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.639
ULF, the best back has always
been CJ. Marrable. Yet he's the

633
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.920
one that doesn't get the football enough, you know, And when they do

634
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.320
give him the football, it gets
the run game jump started, the big

635
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.760
plays start to pop. So that's
gonna be what I'm watching for, is

636
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.079
how quickly they go to Marrable in
this game, because we've seen them lose

637
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.199
possessions by trying to run the football
and they can't convert. But if they

638
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.039
go to Marrable, Marryble will get
it. But we've seen san Antonio just

639
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:13.559
lean on the explosive plays of McFarland. The consistency of love it and then

640
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.800
Ellison in short yards, goal line
situation. So that's been their calling card.

641
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.480
Run game, good defense, timely
special teams because if we're being completely

642
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:28.400
honest, their receivers dropped at least
three or four passes a game they like

643
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.559
hit him in the face, you
know. And then in the crucial situations,

644
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.400
here comes a clutch reception and you're
like, man, why you didn't

645
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.920
catch that ball earlier in the ball
game. But what has been consistent over

646
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.400
the course of the season has been
a run game, has been a defense,

647
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.119
their ability to blitz, their ability
to get home, get off the

648
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:50.719
field, and that's something that is
gonna bite Birmingham if they can't put this

649
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.960
team away early and also lean on
their better back in Cja Marrable for that.

650
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.239
Yeah, I mean, this is
I think the winning mentality, the

651
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.360
way the win championships. We've seen
it with so many teams is run the

652
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.239
ball and have good defense. And
that's something Birmingham has had over the last

653
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.679
two to three years. That's what
you know San Antonio's had this season.

654
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.519
They're both ranked in the top three, top four in total defense. They're

655
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.920
both the two of the best running
teams in the league. So when you

656
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.760
have that kind of power, you're
able to do it. But I love

657
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.920
Emory's comment on the quarterback position because, look, the reality is when we've

658
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.119
talked with the XFL, Like I
remember talking with the XFL last year in

659
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.599
one of the I don't know the
inside the football meetings, the inside leagues

660
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:39.519
or whatever it is, they Neil
and them have talked about the XFL officials

661
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:43.800
had talked about it's really hard to
find good offensive linement, Like there's just

662
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.360
not enough offensive alignment out there.
So you need to have a quarterback who

663
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.760
can move out of the pocket,
can throw on the run, can run

664
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.480
with the football, because if you've
got a pocket quarterback, they're going to

665
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.239
get killed back there because the development
of the offensive lines are just they're getting

666
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.960
better, but they're they're not where
any other position in football. So you

667
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.920
need to have quarterbacks that can move
out of the pocket. That's what has

668
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.199
made for Macamp's so good is I
have Adrian Martinez as is the league rusher

669
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.719
in the league, and he's been
able to, you know, make plays

670
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:15.639
with his legs, and I think
that's what separates Chase Garber versus Quin Dormney's.

671
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.679
Dormieus does not mobile like he can't
run like Garber's can't like Garber's is

672
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.960
not always going to run it,
but he has the ability to move out

673
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.079
of the pocket when he needs to, because I remember A. J.

674
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.760
Smith the beginning of the season said
that he compare Chase Garver's to PJ.

675
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.480
Walker, like he's got that type. I think p J. Walker's got

676
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.480
a stronger arm, but they both
can move out of the pocket when they

677
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.480
need to. They're both very precise
actor quarterbacks, and that's what's made the

678
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.280
difference for San Antonio. We got
a question here. We'll go with this

679
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.679
to Andy and then we'll pass around
the Emery and around hear this from Christopher.

680
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.159
Christopher was one of the ones that
gave away. We gave away his

681
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:49.360
tickets to the UFL Championship game,
I think, and we have four different

682
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.280
fans going to the game courtesy of
US free chart, so they tried to

683
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.840
do our part. Here. We'll
go first Andy, then we'll get the

684
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.000
Emory. Speaking of quarterbacks, which
quarterbacks you see back next year, either

685
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:02.239
championship quarterbacks and Matt Crouch Town Movies. Perez. Yeah, we've talked about

686
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:07.280
this a little bit. I think
there's those guys that we talked about earlier

687
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.760
who are the spring football lifers.
You know. Perez, in my opinion,

688
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.960
is one of those guys. I
love him. He's a fantastic player,

689
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.760
a great story. I think he's
really destined of these kinds of leagues.

690
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.880
No fault of zone, it's just
tough competition. I think his skill

691
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.480
set really matches these kinds of leagues. Joran Tambo another guy. I think

692
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.760
he's a spring football lifer. I
really believe that the guys are gonna see

693
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:30.400
to move on. I mean,
Adrian Martinez is going to get a chance.

694
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.320
We'll see if he can stick in
the camp. I mean he's definitely

695
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.119
developed quite a bit since he was
at Kansas State and Nebraska. I do

696
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.960
believe that he is going to get
a fair shot here. I mean,

697
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.679
Skip Foltz just finds a way to
send these guys off eventually. You know,

698
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.920
Alex Mugu leaps and bounds better last
year, goes to Green Bay,

699
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.840
signs on with them. Martinez is
one. I don't know anybody necessarily from

700
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.039
San Antonio Memphis. I think Chase
case Cocus is still going to hang around.

701
00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:59.599
I mean, he's just again kind
of a spring football lifer if you

702
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.559
can stay right. You know,
I'm worried about his long term prospects in

703
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.880
other days, not just football wise, But I just don't really see a

704
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.440
crop of guys moving on. AJ
mccaron. Mccaren's really the wild card here.

705
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.400
Does he want to continue doing this
full time or does he just want

706
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.559
to play as a backup, be
on a practice squad, be with the

707
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.480
Bengals. He seems to really relish
the opportunity to play in front of his

708
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:27.079
kids. He really, really really
appreciates that. I think it matters the

709
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.079
most to him. I don't know
if he's going to get another shot to

710
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.719
play significant time in the NFL.
I do see him. I personally it's

711
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:36.639
up to him, but I believe
that he will stay around. So to

712
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.119
answer your question, Martinez is like
the only one that I can really see

713
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:42.800
moving on and getting a shot.
But you know, again comes out in

714
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.320
the relationships some of these guys get
in the camps that we don't expect to.

715
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.920
I mean, Taylor Heinde Ky is
a perfect example. Never played the

716
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.920
NEXTEL twenty twenty starts games in the
NFL. Well, No, and agent

717
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.480
wants to stick ground, the teacher
his kid when he skips his knees.

718
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.599
You gotta get that to keep playing
every last question for you, and I

719
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:02.480
think it was at least at one
point when we had you on talking about

720
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.639
standouts and people, but obviously will
relate this to quarterbacks. Yeah, has

721
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.320
anyone played into or what do you
make of this before we get you out

722
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:14.000
of here. It's a great question, and you know, I think you

723
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.199
guys kind of know where I stand
on it. Where, Yes, you

724
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:21.719
want a league where guys can have
a career, So Luis Perez or Jordan

725
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.199
Tiamo, you want to see those
guys back as backups because you have to

726
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:31.239
start creating new stars to get people
to watch. I e. A.

727
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.760
Lindsay Scott probably should have been playing
in Arlington over Luis Perez. I know

728
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:39.360
people love Perez's story and him having
all the passing yards and you know,

729
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.000
and leading in this and this and
this, but they were always losing,

730
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.000
right, So imagine if they had
someone that was exciting, the PJ.

731
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.360
Walker would have been the Lindsay Scott. The challenge for this league is to

732
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.639
go out and find those guys that
you know for a fact, and it's

733
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.599
twofold. It's find those guys that
you know for a fact they're gonna get

734
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.679
snubbed the NFL, and those guys
that are gonna be snubbed by the NFL

735
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.360
to have the werewthal to say,
you know what, man, I'm gonna

736
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.360
go play here first, because I'm
not gonna go get two reps of throwing

737
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:17.880
the football in a ninety man rookie
mini camp and not make the roster.

738
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.679
Just go play some ball, get
some protape, and then come back at

739
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:27.679
it. And so it requires a
little bit of self reflection and humbleness from

740
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.760
the prospect and a little bit of
foresight from the league because you can always

741
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.840
grab the Luis Perez and the Jordan
Tiamu and the AJ mccarren's, but you

742
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.360
need to have those guys that are
within that right age of twenty one to

743
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:47.840
twenty four that still has a window
of perhaps getting in the NFL, especially

744
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.719
at that position. Every other position, you're looking for guys that can kind

745
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.760
of become UFL veterans. And in
order for that to happen, And this

746
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.960
is kind of tying all my points
in together, where yes, there's more

747
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.880
than enough talent to have. I
wrote an article on this in twenty sixteen.

748
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.800
There's more enough talent to have for
each NFL team to have its own

749
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.920
minor league team. Fast forward to
now, there's more than enough talent to

750
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:22.760
have a twenty four team UFL.
But let's just say we branches out to

751
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:24.599
twelve and keep it at twelve,
or if they want to keep it at

752
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:31.679
eight and develop that with Moose.
Johnson talked about having guys that just want

753
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.920
to play in this league because they
know that NFL will do it's closed well.

754
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.360
Making the salary one hundred grand is
out of fifty grand is the best

755
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.800
way to do that, and that
kind of keeps you in that eight to

756
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.280
twelve team league, and that's how
you attract those guys that may be a

757
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.960
G five. Let's say a Grayson
McCall who is at Coastal Carolina who's now

758
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.119
at NC State, doesn't have the
best NFL all prospects, but you know

759
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.599
the kid can play. It's kind
of like Alex magou Man. Once he's

760
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.039
done at the NC State this year, tell him come play with for you

761
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.400
know, the New Jersey Generals or
whatever, right and get him to play

762
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.119
against pro competition, and then now
you have he's gonna create those opportunities for

763
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.039
himself, and then you're gonna see
other young quarterbacks gonna see, Okay,

764
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.679
well he did it this way,
I can go do it that way too.

765
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.519
Because it's as much as we like
Adrian Martinez and we like the fact

766
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.280
that he got in you know,
uh, you know, in this league

767
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.199
and did some great things, it's
it's hard to say the NFL, which

768
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.199
has the luxury of scraping off the
top, Yeah, okay, we found

769
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.840
our franchise quarterback and Adrian Martinez when
in reality he's gonna end up being a

770
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.519
QB too. Yeah, he's gonna
make some money, But do you want

771
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:45.920
to play? And yes, you
could make money, but you see what

772
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:47.840
happened with A. J. McCarry. He's like, man, I just

773
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.280
want to play, Like I hate
being a backup. I just want to

774
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.719
play. And I think a lot
of guys really just want to play ball.

775
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.559
And if more guys can see the
big picture, then we'll see the

776
00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:02.280
salaries increase, they'll be able to
create a substantial living in the in the

777
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.239
in the UFL, and then we'll
start to see this ecosystem just grow develop

778
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.199
and become what we expected to be. But don't get it twisted. There's

779
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:15.079
room for more expansion. Financially,
it doesn't make sense yet, but you

780
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:19.559
know, if they want to create
that lead that they want, then the

781
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.719
salary is going to have to increase. Here before you go, I'll do

782
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.800
it. Here Here comes the UFL
Expansion Podcast Episode than three or two one,

783
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.239
real quick, rapid fire. Maxis
standing by every real quick to you

784
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.599
because he does have a question.
If Martinez was to get a shot off

785
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.280
the top of your head, any
team that you think that would would pop

786
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.280
off for him? I mean,
that's a great one. The Ravens.

787
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.199
You even looking at the division,
the Ravens, Steelers, Browns, they

788
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.559
all all fit that mo. So
you know, Washington would be a good

789
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:52.000
place to have a backup. Hell
Detroit, we don't know you have yet

790
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:55.840
in Hinton Hooker. They had Adrian
Martinez in camp. You know, bring

791
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.920
them back, you know what I'm
saying. Let's because until we see what

792
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:05.920
hidden Hooker looks like playing pro football, he's still a relative unknown, you

793
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:07.599
know, because he was coming off
that injury. Well, Emory, we

794
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.599
appreciate it. Thank you for making
the time. As always, Scheka Emory

795
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:15.119
and all. He's doing ELF games
and Anthony's doing a exciting step here,

796
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:16.639
say Emry, I appreciate you taking
the time to that. Appreciate it.

797
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:22.880
Next next show we'll talk about a
UFL ELF championship game that we'll get to

798
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.440
that leader, we'll get to that. I appreciated. They thank you so

799
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.760
much. Let's get every out of
here. We'll bring in Max. Max

800
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.679
first off here Christmas and we were
talking to quarterbacks and everything to lay Tugle

801
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.159
Live. He's up in Hamilton now
man CFL just signed them last week,

802
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.599
right, I mean, are you
fighting against all that kind of stuff?

803
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.719
Max? You're unmuted. How are
we doing here, sir? I'm doing

804
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:49.639
I'm doing great. You know,
I'm excited to finally see you know,

805
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.960
whether that's San Antonio regular season game, how much does that translate to this

806
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:59.280
environment. So it's gonna be so
totally different. You have to imagine Birmingham

807
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:02.880
as a much more fleshed out,
complete game plan than a end of regular

808
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.679
near end of regular season game that
they kind of knew they were probably gonna

809
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:08.840
be able to clinch home field anyway. And then on top of that,

810
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.719
even if they didn't they might have
gotten their home game anyway, So I'm

811
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.800
feeling there's going to be completely different
attitude today. Yeah, coach Craig here

812
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:20.559
checking then I missed when he was
he was talking expansion there, so yeah,

813
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.400
Craig, I miss when you're popping
in the chat hair. But she

814
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:23.480
we should have got Coach Craig on
as well. I kind of just say

815
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.639
the rapid fire her email list at
the end of the week. And then

816
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.920
Tom here, I haven't been able
to see see UFL games in Canada that

817
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:32.920
don't have cable hopefully, how do
we not have a tsnner some partnership,

818
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:37.400
Like I don't know. I mean
there's still there's I mean, the CFL

819
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.000
plus concept is still wonderful, but
like, how did don't you think that

820
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.119
they would have a UFL I'm surprised
that they don't have. Isn't a part

821
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.639
of ESPN, Like isn't that Like
Max, can we fact check this for

822
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:54.079
Tom? So because of Canadian laws? Max notes, of course, you

823
00:50:54.119 --> 00:51:00.400
know, because there are certain stipulations
that require like an a mayor can or

824
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:05.199
other foreign entity cannot own more than
twenty percent of these sorts of things.

825
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:10.760
So TSN is twenty percent ESPN owned
and eighty percent owned by Bell. Uh

826
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.320
So they have a lot of ESPN
programming, but not all of it.

827
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.039
They use a lot of ESPN IP
but not all of it. They do

828
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.000
their own thing. They get to
pick and choose what they want on their

829
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.320
platforms. And last year the XFL
they had like they launched a streaming service

830
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.920
called like TSN plus or something,
and they had it for the XFL on

831
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:35.800
there. I don't think the UFL
made it on there this time. So

832
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.199
yeah, yeah, I like that
when it was on ESPN and you can

833
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.920
do kind of like the at least
the games run the Man and we had

834
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.559
the player for fifty four and kind
of all that stuff. What do we

835
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:46.960
want I'm really loud here. What
do we want to talk about here?

836
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:51.719
Max? What are you expecting on
the game for that? Uh? You

837
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:57.400
know, I'm expecting some more points
for one, you know, with Garbers

838
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.760
of being ready to go with Birmingham
hopefully expecting to open up their offense a

839
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:07.079
little bit. And then I'll talk
of that offensive outburst last week after I

840
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.320
mean there was what twenty eight unanswered. I mean that was amazing, and

841
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:14.679
on top of that, it completely
shut me up because I was like,

842
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:16.719
I was already starting to party.
I'm like, what would happen if if

843
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.480
Michigan won? And then because I
just thought it would be very funny,

844
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:23.679
and they were like you think you
get to have fun? No, no,

845
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:25.920
no, this is this is this
ain't in the game, this life,

846
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:30.400
and they shut that down real quick. Yeah. The fact that I

847
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.880
was really getting excited about that about
Birmingham missing sorry, is that bad?

848
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.159
I mean, I can be I'm
not that. I'm not a journalist.

849
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:38.239
I can be. I can be
anti Birmingham all I want here, But

850
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.639
I mean, it really did for
a while there it looked like Stallions might

851
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.880
miss out. I mean I I
picked Michigan to win last week just because

852
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:50.639
I thought Michigan was just on a
better role than Birmingham was, you know,

853
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.599
after that Saint Louis battlelocks game for
Birmingham. But I just didn't think

854
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:57.800
the Stallions looked great to end the
season, so I was concerned about how

855
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:02.159
they were gonna do into the into
a playoffs game with Michigan, but and

856
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:06.360
ended up Michigan just shot themselves on
the foot with four turnovers, even though

857
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.360
Birmingham also had four turnovers, but
Birmingham took advantage of turnovers versus Michigan.

858
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.199
Michigan didn't. I don't think they
got any points on those turnovers, and

859
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.440
I think Birmingham got I think they
got like two scores out of it.

860
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.719
So that was that was the difference
in the game. So yeah, well,

861
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.559
we hate to be negative against Birmingham, but you know, we at

862
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.280
the end, we want we want
the Stallions to succeed. We love the

863
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.760
Stallions as a team. But I
think we've already talked about how we just

864
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.559
want the city to maybe do it
a little bit better in attendance, even

865
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.639
though they're not the worst. It's
just just add a little more people.

866
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.320
Just got a couple thousand more we'll
be get Well. When you see that

867
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:43.400
layout of like in the bottom with
it being Houston at Memphis and all that,

868
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.119
I want to make sure we touched
on Andy and then match. I'm

869
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:50.679
sure I have thoughts, but they
were We asked way again yesterday about the

870
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.199
player that they were supposed to sign
that they didn't sign, and there was

871
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.199
all the shenanigans about that, and
I know that I got DMS from one

872
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.719
of the individuals that was telling me
about it, but then you saw a

873
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.280
lot of other people trying to like, oh well, hey, like yeah,

874
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.840
like I heard maybe something was going
on with that, and like way,

875
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:07.880
it seems like you're trying to kind
of sweep it under the rug.

876
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.280
We're all just trying to kind of
play about the roles thoughts on that,

877
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.199
And I don't think it's anything nefarious. I mean, I think it's just

878
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.639
like we're trying to get by and
make everybody play about it. Say,

879
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.239
I think yeah, I think it
was just sort of a technicality that maybe

880
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.599
it was read into correctly by by
either party it is. It does seem

881
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:27.679
I hate to use the word bias, but it does seem to have a

882
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.000
little bit of that and intrigue with
it as far as the transaction not going

883
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.119
through. But I do think I
don't think that's what the league is trying

884
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:37.760
to do. They're not trying to
undermine people and not trying to let them

885
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.000
signe certain players that they can.
It is unfortunate, especially considering san Antonio's

886
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.440
angle, especially with the injuries that
they've been burged, but I do think

887
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.360
I don't think there's anything nefarious at
play either here. Going back to what

888
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.760
Max was talking about a little bit
as far as more points being scored.

889
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:57.320
It's interesting I've been looking up at
a lot of the vetting adds, which

890
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.719
actually Anthony Penda a great article this
week about all the bets onsen some of

891
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.800
the information going into this game.
The over unders forty two points. Last

892
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.280
time these teams met, it was
a combined of twenty seven. So if

893
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.079
we are to believe that both these
defenses are really good, I would have

894
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.519
to say I'd probably go with the
slide under there. I know there's probably

895
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.039
gonna be a little bit more offensive
this game for both sides, but I

896
00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:19.800
don't think there's gonna be too much
more. I do believe these two teams

897
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:23.480
are defensive minded teams from the outset, and I do believe that they pride

898
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:27.800
themselves on that. So for me, I'd have to say it's probably gonna

899
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.760
be a little bit less than that. That's kind of where I stand on

900
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.920
the point spread or the overrunder.
I should say, max thoughts on kind

901
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.800
of the way thing of it,
and then I want to I have a

902
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.440
follow up and thoughts on that,
and I don't know, it'sad just Darryl

903
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:45.280
kind of overstep in well, it's
probably a league rule. But the enforcement

904
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:47.719
mechanism makes no sense because if I
recall, they were allowed to sign a

905
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.280
receiver instead, so they were still
allowed to sign somebody, but just not

906
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:57.519
that tight end that they wanted to
sign and that and the guy was literally

907
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.079
like from my understanding, he was
in meetings like with the team. He

908
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:04.000
was Yeah, he was through test. I mean he was all through everything,

909
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.400
medicals and everything like that. This
makes so the tight end is not

910
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.760
allowed, but then this random receiver
they're allowed to sign it instead. In

911
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.239
the last second, you're allowed them
to get somebody but not the guy.

912
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.880
They want, what are we doing
here? What's this enforcement mechanism? This

913
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:22.320
makes no sense. So I don't
want to say it's bias, but I

914
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:28.320
do think that there's some there's whatever
the chain of command and the regulations,

915
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.320
they don't make sense. That it's
improper and it should not be like this.

916
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.719
They should have just been allowed to
sign the tight end and carry on.

917
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:37.639
Yeah, I think he has something
to do with like them not having

918
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.039
enough tape and being able to like
game plan and all that. I don't

919
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.199
know, it's a weird thing with
the league because like it is kind of

920
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.039
just existing then it's unether right now. But I think if you weren't good

921
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.840
enough that you were on the team
anyway, I don't know, is it

922
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.400
like that big of a mind changing
to bring on someone like that? I

923
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.679
mean, yeah, I mean I
don't. I don't think it really would

924
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.079
have it. They just wanted to
backup tight end man, Like they only

925
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:07.119
have one on their roster today because
they couldn't bring in a backup. So

926
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.960
why would you not let them bring
in a backup tight Like you're not going

927
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.400
to have film on any random backup
they signed. But like, realistically,

928
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.960
it's not like they're bringing in a
ringer who is, like, you know,

929
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:22.760
the very best player available and like
would actually be better than their starting

930
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.000
tight end right now. I mean, it's just a guy who comes who's

931
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.360
going to come in and play some
snaps and maybe take over if the starter

932
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.880
gets injured, Like you're putting them
in a vulnerable position all for what the

933
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.960
sake of enforcing a rule? Like
what what is this? Why it doesn't

934
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.519
make any sense? Fall up from
maxim then we'll move on to someone else.

935
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.840
Thoughts, what is like this game
resonating online right now? Like I'm

936
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.559
looking at that I've been tracking that
viewership like it's fine. I mean we're

937
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.239
kind of up and down, like
is this you know it's it's what four

938
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:55.239
o'clock Central five, I mean,
it's not really I don't know, it's

939
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.000
not really prime time. It doesn't
really feel like it's like, I don't

940
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.840
know, how is this game as
the eighteen today? If you're looking online,

941
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:06.079
I don't feel like there's much more
hype for this game than there was

942
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.960
for last year's XFL title game or
the USFL title game. They both got

943
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.159
about the same amount of viewership,
They about the same amount of interests right

944
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.360
now. I mean, I'm sure
the fact that they're not going head to

945
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.960
head with each other will help the
ratings be a bit higher, and the

946
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:28.880
fact that there's the only there's barely
any real competition going on for this game.

947
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.760
So I mean, maybe it's possible
that it actually gets above that one

948
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:37.000
and a half million number that we're
all putting as like a kind of expectation.

949
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.519
But I mean, if it hits
two million, like you think you

950
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:43.119
said you would do some kind of
crazy thing they had two million, I

951
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.400
will I will join you whatever your
plans are for that, because I just

952
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.800
think that's impossible. Yeah, Anthony, what do you I mean we we

953
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:54.280
missed the media day yesterday flying then
it doesn't sound like it was wildly attended.

954
00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:58.599
I know part of that is obviously, you know Saint Louis not being

955
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.480
in this, but you would think
that the media, if I'm Saint Louis

956
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.159
media don't know what them. I
mean the Cardinals are at town and the

957
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:06.480
one I'm covered. I always think
about that, like whether if I'm I

958
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.039
were to local this, like if
I'm a local sports like department, Like

959
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.760
what am I covering today? But
you just surprise this like it hasn't I

960
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.119
mean, obviously be different than the
Ballahowcks we're in it, but it just

961
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.519
kind of feels like out of the
that guys right now, I'm not surprised

962
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.840
by it. I mean, again, everything that this loogue has been put

963
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:23.679
together and the lack of marketing and
stuff like that, I think this is

964
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.719
just kind of what it is.
Like I I'm not expecting it to be

965
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.840
some kind of spectacular thing. I
know Fox is really pushing on, Hey,

966
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:34.880
We're gonna do a lot of innovative
stuff on the on the air today.

967
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:37.719
It's gonna be different from any sports
broadcast, So I guess we'll see

968
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.760
how that is. I know they've
been pushing on Tom Brady, like,

969
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:43.880
hey, Tom Brady's gonna be you
know, in the in the booth in

970
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:46.639
the second quarter. He's gonna be
presenting the UFL you know, Championship MVP

971
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:51.119
award, like and and and that's
cool. Like I think that's all great

972
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.800
stuff. But I think at the
end of the day, like, yeah,

973
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.440
if they do two million, that
will just be a massive win.

974
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.800
I am not expected, No,
I expect it to be a lot like

975
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.400
the numbers last year at one point
to one point three. I think if

976
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.679
they can get over a million,
I think it's a when I'd be more

977
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.719
concerned if it goes under, but
I doubt it goes under. Let's do

978
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:08.320
Andy and we'll get Max some more
time. And then John Lewis is lugging

979
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.679
in here, will bring him on, like yeah, what the hell is

980
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:15.960
going? Like Tom, Okay,
well Brady's coming now. He's missing Father's

981
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:19.880
Day. Even though we retire from
football to be a father, He's going

982
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.880
to be here for Father's Day,
which I thought was really interesting. But

983
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.800
then like he's gonna fake call the
game in the booth, like just for

984
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.519
practice. What is going on here? I think this is a case of

985
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.679
your boss telling you what to do. Yeah, what's happening box isn't very

986
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.400
much making it clear that you are
going to be a part of our plans

987
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.119
and this is what's gonna happen from
now on, buddy. So I think

988
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:44.519
for Tom Brady, I mean I
don't know how much he's really watched with

989
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:46.599
the sleep of the team, not
a second. Well, he was at

990
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:52.519
the Michigan Panthers game a month ago. True, that doesn't mean okay,

991
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:58.159
okay, yeah, No, I
mean I don't know how much really game

992
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.199
tape he's watched. I was outside
of the Michigan game. But you know,

993
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.039
do I think he has an enthusiasm
for d just football in general.

994
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.800
Of course, Tom Brady lives breeze
and dies with football like that's just his

995
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:12.000
likelihood. It was his likelihood for
a good majority of his life. And

996
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.199
I can see him having enthusiasm for
being able to analyze the game. I

997
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:21.159
would love. I mean a dream
scenario is that he would have a chance

998
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:22.800
to be a color commentator in this
league. I mean this, look,

999
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.760
we've seen Spring football have amazing commentators. We've seen guys like Kevin Burkhard and

1000
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.639
Greg Olson. Are you kidding me? That was an incredible matchup in twenty

1001
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:36.039
twenty. Kevin Couger's done a great
job, Cold Platt, Kurt Menafee,

1002
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.559
a lot of these guys just doing
outstanding work in this league. So it's

1003
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:45.880
we're not unknown to having great broadcasting
people in this space. But I just

1004
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:50.280
don't know as far as Brady goes. It'll be interesting to see what his

1005
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:52.920
role is and how that plays into
what he's doing into the future, or

1006
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.320
if they get him involved next year. Who knows. That rates to be

1007
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.360
seen. But it is just kind
of funny seeing him. I guess I'm

1008
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.440
not sure if i'd say he's being
strong armed into this, but obviously there's

1009
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.559
some things that he has to fill
now he is actually part of the Box

1010
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.480
Corporation manx, what is god something
this is to be that we'll get you

1011
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.519
out of here. But just like, okay, we do it. It's

1012
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:16.320
it's never like with enough time to
promote. It's like, hey, we're

1013
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.840
doing this. It's the same thing
like they emailed that Friday afternoon, like

1014
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.440
hey we're doing media data. I'm
like, well, I don't. I'm

1015
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:23.320
not flying any the time to do
that. Like, I don't know,

1016
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.280
Like is the Brady thing? Is
it just getting him involved in this ca

1017
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.239
they expect to pop a rating.
I don't even think it's to pop up

1018
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:35.880
rating as much as it is to
get some social media engagement like Tom No

1019
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.239
one's gonna watch the game because Tom
Brady happens to be there for a little

1020
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:43.679
bit on television. Like that's that's
not how this works. But you know,

1021
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:49.320
let's be real the whole We've done
so many rants on how the the

1022
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.000
league's promotion strategy has been ineffective,
and we could do a whole other dietray

1023
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:54.119
boy, that's not what the show's
about. So I'll just leave it at

1024
01:02:54.119 --> 01:03:00.400
this. They can at this point
do whatever you want to add on ff

1025
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:02.400
on for the championship game. None
of it's gonna change anything. So just

1026
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:06.440
make it look however you want so
you can say it's yours and then carry

1027
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.000
on and let's try to do better
this offseason. The next season, we

1028
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.960
got Marquette King, we got the
Blues. It's a national anthem singer.

1029
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.360
I mean, Max, we're rolling
here. I mean the CFL's got the

1030
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:21.000
Jonas Brothers for godsake, So Max, I appreciate it. Stay safe,

1031
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.639
keep working all your other stuff here. I'm sure we'll figure out what's going

1032
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:27.960
on after all this next see you. Uh, let's bring in this gentleman

1033
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:34.559
and get ready for this. Boo
boo boo. I heard a lot of

1034
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:37.199
slander on here before I got on. Hey, uh is it? John?

1035
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:43.880
Let you think about Birmingham being then
the championship game. Finally, looking

1036
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.000
at the schedules, I predict both
the Houston Roughnecks and Michigan Panthers to finish

1037
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:51.920
the season at two and eight in
the San Antoniobramas. Maybe just a single

1038
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:53.880
win with wayde Phillips and company return. Good thing? Is it? Mutes?

1039
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.079
Here? Mike? When I play
that video? John, w how

1040
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.400
the heck are? I'm going to
keep this in here forever well as you

1041
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.119
should and I but I will say
this. I am pulled. I mean

1042
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.320
I've I've been kind of ride or
die with the Stallions in the us FL,

1043
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:11.119
but you know I did hedge my
bet. If things start going poorly,

1044
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:13.719
I'm ready. So yeah, I
saw you, I saw you pop

1045
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:15.079
on that. I'm going to get
a jersey if the problems went today.

1046
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.000
If anyone's curious that this is a
blast in the past, Hey, what

1047
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:23.000
else does Reed have saved in the
streamyard? Check check this bad boy out

1048
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:27.880
see if you see if you remember
this football is fueled by dreams to go

1049
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:30.599
further, get there faster. What
was the old accest? But when they

1050
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.719
rebranded, I got the leaked rebrand
video in here. Exciting stuff. Uh,

1051
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:38.840
John Stallion's running crazy? Have we
would you guys say, have we

1052
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.320
seen more Stallion fans here than Brahmas
fans? For sure? Absolutely? John,

1053
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.119
Are you surprised Stallion fans are showing
up here? I don't know if

1054
01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.280
the bram is expected to be here. Yeah, you know, it's probably

1055
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.800
a little bit better. I guess
it'd be easier to get there. I

1056
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.840
mean, I don't know what the
drive time would be, but yeah,

1057
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.840
I think that there's it's a bit
of a probably a more of a known

1058
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.480
brand, although that didn't really seem
to play out in Birmingham. You know,

1059
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.760
talking to some people down there,
you know there were people that were

1060
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.559
still unaware and read you and I
talked about it. There were people that

1061
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:14.000
were unaware that the who the Stallions
were, or that they were playing,

1062
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.119
or that they were in the playoffs, or even what the UFL was.

1063
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.159
So, I mean, I think
that speaks to there's going to be some

1064
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:24.280
stronger marketing efforts going on. But
you know, there is a hardcore group

1065
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.000
of fans, and I think that
that they probably made the trek up there.

1066
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.559
I know there were a lot of
the you know people who do what

1067
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:32.000
we do here that are that are
kind of more Birmingham Stallions based that are

1068
01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:35.159
that were on their way up there. Oh yeah, here a couple of

1069
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:39.920
its hit here one and nine,
Wade Phillips, Lol, Chris here,

1070
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:42.880
Santa beats Birmingham. You got to
play that every time he comes on the

1071
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.840
show, and that and show that
picture of him. He's wearing Stallion's shirt

1072
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.599
right now, and then I'll go
here, I re needs to make a

1073
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:53.920
screenshot of that, make a T
shirt send to John. I'll wear it

1074
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.559
every time classic. I was gonna
ask Emory about this. We'll go around

1075
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.199
the horn here obviously, Mike Mitchell's
coming on later at UFL Insider. We're

1076
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.599
gonna do like a post recap.
I think it's the plan here once we

1077
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.119
get back in down and kind of
like the season as a whole bit,

1078
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.079
say, for like it being the
most incredible game today that we've ever seen,

1079
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.239
and you know the Brahms is a
game winning comeback with her grade the

1080
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.599
season, how do we feel like
we've done here? Like marketing decide just

1081
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:25.880
like football and the storylines kind of
anything that way. I think I gave

1082
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.639
the XFL A last year when you
asked the same question. I think I'm

1083
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.960
gonna give them the same grade.
And the reason I'm going to give them

1084
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:38.039
the same grade, I'm gonna be
more lenient on them than what I think

1085
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.960
they could do a lot. Obviously, marketing, we've been talking about a

1086
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:44.639
whole show that they have to do
a better job of it. But I

1087
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:49.239
think under the circumstances, the talent
level was fantastic. The teams are looking

1088
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:54.199
good, there's a lot of competitive
games. Coaching was good for the most

1089
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:58.280
part, maybe outside of Houston,
but for the most part, like the

1090
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.239
league did well. The presentations were
good. You know, I think ESPN

1091
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.400
needs to stop leaning so much on
the betting. I'm so sick and tired

1092
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:09.360
of hearing about over unders five hundred
times a game. I think Fox's presentation

1093
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:13.519
is fantastic. I will keep saying
that the Fox you know, Kurb Metafie

1094
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.159
and Joel Klatt are fantastic in the
booth. I think Fox's presentation of football

1095
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:19.800
is way better than ABC and ESPN. I think ESPN has to work on

1096
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:25.199
that next year. I think marketing
needs to improve, but I think overall,

1097
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:29.559
you know, the attendance numbers look
to be decent. I think there's

1098
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.840
more than needs to be done on
that front. Ratings were better than they

1099
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.360
were last year, so I think
that's a positive. So I think there's

1100
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:36.199
a lot of positive you can take
with it. I think there's a lot

1101
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:41.079
that they can work on in general, but overall, yeah, I give

1102
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.239
it a be I think that the
league has done a good job, and

1103
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:45.960
I'm going to be much rougher on
them next year. As someone that for

1104
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.920
Sports Illustrated just posted the betting nods, I mean, you really, look,

1105
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:53.480
I'm so tired of hearing it.
Well, I have to post something

1106
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.800
weakly on it, but I'm not
throwing it at everyone's face five hundred times

1107
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:00.320
a game on it within three hours. I don't need to hear like six

1108
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.920
times an hour, like oh the
over under is they're gonna hit, Like

1109
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.800
I don't care. It's the guy
that does it with Logan mill and I

1110
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:09.960
love Tom Thomas been on the show
multiple times. I didn't like I had

1111
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:13.039
all the ESPN people on last year. They didn't seem like we needed it

1112
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.560
this year. I don't know,
like I felt like we had guests plenty

1113
01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:17.800
here where maybe a year ago I
was like, Okay, we gotta get

1114
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.960
a stormy around, we gotta get
we had Colon, we had Eric McLean

1115
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:25.159
on. But uh yeah, like
is the over again? Like the over

1116
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:27.520
is still in play? But andyw
thoughts on that, and then I got

1117
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:29.640
a question for John. Yeah,
a couple of things. First of all,

1118
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.279
Anthony, you're telling me you're not
excited when Jace Sternberger catches the go

1119
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:35.039
ahead touchdown and they're gonna tell us
how it hits the player. Prop you're

1120
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:39.159
not psyched for that? No or
not really? I'm good. I'm not

1121
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:44.760
talking about that, of course.
No. I think it's it's definitely worn

1122
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.039
out. It's welcome. The matt
has not only been worn out, it's

1123
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:51.880
basically been burns. And I for
me, look, betting is part of

1124
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:56.239
the sports like it's more now so
than ever. Again, as I said,

1125
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:59.199
but you don't have to keep reminding
of people over and over again.

1126
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:02.359
I do think what Fox does,
I think it's more subtle where they'll have

1127
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:05.479
a little pop up where we'll bring
up the pregame odds. Like last week

1128
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:10.439
they kept saying, well, not
always announcing it, but just kind of

1129
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.359
that little markers saying, hey,
remember Saint Louis was favored in this game

1130
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.239
and this is not going so well. Like that's kind of something that they

1131
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.680
remind their audience of, which I
think makes a lot of sense. I

1132
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:21.239
think in terms of that engagement,
that's fine, but I don't need to

1133
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:26.279
be hearing about every single yard that
the player has and how much closer they

1134
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:31.119
are so they're over under because people, as I said in the kind of

1135
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.920
the reimagining video that me and reads
it a few weeks ago, like you

1136
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:40.239
can talk about that stuff in spurts, but the people who follow that stuff

1137
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.239
are in all that information. And
I don't think that the non betting public

1138
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.199
really needs to be inundated with all
that information because at some point it just

1139
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:49.600
becomes overload and they really just want
to focus on simple narratives or just who's

1140
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:54.319
winning the game. That's really the
biggest thing that people look at John thoughts

1141
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:56.640
for you on that and I got
a couple coming. Yeah. I think

1142
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.119
a lot of that is probably kind
of a brand push for the ESPN bet.

1143
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.159
I'm sure they're trying to sign up
new people and they can say well,

1144
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.920
there you go. So I think
there's a lot there's probably something to

1145
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.279
that where they're trying to push these
odds and say hey, you can go

1146
01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:12.800
on your phone right now and make
this bet and make that bet. And

1147
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.720
Christopher's right on. I think there's
a lot of that. They're just trying.

1148
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.720
They're trying to drum up some new
customers for that or to get people

1149
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.920
to continue to engage with it.
But it does, let's get a little

1150
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:26.399
overwhelming. And you know, I'm
with Anthony too on the grade as far

1151
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.920
as this year because I feel like
we should grade on a curve because it

1152
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:35.239
was the way that this merger came
together so late and then they were actually

1153
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.159
able to get it off the ground
and it was a clunky roll out,

1154
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:43.760
there's no question. But the presentations
have been good. I think the gameplay

1155
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.199
has been good. I think a
solid B absolutely as we grade on a

1156
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:49.880
curve on anything, but you know, read as you said, and Anthony

1157
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:54.359
brought up the local marketing and the
marketing itself that's going to need some work

1158
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:58.319
in twenty twenty five and really later
in twenty twenty four. But overall,

1159
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.239
I've been I've certainly been as much
criticism as we talked about. I've been

1160
01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:04.640
pleased with the product all year long. I have a lot of thoughts on

1161
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.800
here. Let's first get to these
comments here I'm doing with saying, is

1162
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:11.319
there gonna be a UFL post game
show today where we're just going to post

1163
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:15.840
the full game? I could the
full game? Yeah, Lowell is the

1164
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:17.600
guy, the ESPN guy that's so
much sports betting talking. And obviously we

1165
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.720
talked about Christopher's thing, and Christopher
gave is a super chat. You know

1166
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:24.720
at this hotel room isn't free.
We're here across the street, you know,

1167
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.399
super chats are always nice. To
join the channel, John's a member

1168
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:30.119
and ninety nine cents a month to
become a member. I go back and

1169
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:32.880
forth. Yeah, so gameplay is
good, it's exciting. I don't like

1170
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.840
that it felt you know, a
lot of teams held out of it right,

1171
01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:40.239
and I would rather have like the
Renegade sub five hundred kind of making

1172
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.760
it versus Okay, well, you
know there was such a divide kind of

1173
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.760
between the house and they have not
to getting all that locked up. I'm

1174
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.840
just you know, Darryl's obviously had
comments here on mus Johnson about being unhappy

1175
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.600
and okay, we want all this
stuff. I like that. Like I've

1176
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.399
talked with even like my CLO buddies, you know, Michael and Paul and

1177
01:11:56.399 --> 01:11:59.439
stuff, and they're like, maybe
Fox is just fine with this, and

1178
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:01.039
that's kind of concern. And that's
why I feel like we need to keep

1179
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:04.000
saying things because I don't want Fox
to be like, well, this is

1180
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.720
fine. It's cheaper than running and
you know all in the Family reruns or

1181
01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.640
whatever. There's Seventh Heaven reruns,
and you know it's a Saturday afternoon,

1182
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:14.720
like we're moving the games for Friday. That doesn't feel great for me.

1183
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.279
I guess we'll go right here,
like them moving games. I don't like

1184
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:20.880
that. I don't like the Friday
Like, well, now we have something

1185
01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:24.520
that's more high profile here. See, like that's how it happens. They

1186
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.359
didn't have anything this year. Yeah, well I guess here you the first

1187
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.600
show. Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, I was just gonna say, I

1188
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:34.319
think they can make this Friday night
game a thing, but you worry about

1189
01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:40.359
the demographics that you're trying to attract
on a Friday. And also, if

1190
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:45.319
you are still only going to have
eight teams in this league, then what's

1191
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.199
this weekend slate gonna look like?
So that that was that's my concern.

1192
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.039
I thought like, okay, well
if there's if there are ten teams,

1193
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.199
you can make this a showcase Friday
night kind of thing. But yeah,

1194
01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:59.880
but then when they say, well
it makes room for IndyCar and you know,

1195
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:01.520
yeah, that's where it's like,
this is exactly. It's like what

1196
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:04.720
you're what you're weigh in one against
the other. For sure. Let's go

1197
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:08.239
right here. Greg's standing by.
I have a question from John. I

1198
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.239
hope someone can answer, but let's
get thoughts on this and then we'll ring

1199
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:15.640
it Greg here in the minute.
Sorry forgot the question. Oh it's just

1200
01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:18.600
about moving, like you know,
we're all ready now we have something more

1201
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.439
high profile. We're moving the games
to Friday, and we don't know they're

1202
01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:26.800
talking expansion. I mean, we
can make another video video about that,

1203
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.359
but it's not it's not gonna pull
the ratings that like w W SmackDown did,

1204
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.399
and just just because ww is a
much bigger product. It's like they're

1205
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.399
just more name brand into it,
more name recognition to it. Like I

1206
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:41.199
mean they tried XFL did this last
year. They did it Friday night game.

1207
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:44.520
I was there for the Renegades game. They barely had ten eleven thousand

1208
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.359
fans, which would actually be really
good this year, but last year it

1209
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:49.199
was not good, right, and
and that was well, that was the

1210
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:53.239
same. We can also Taylor Swift
was in town, so completely killed the

1211
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.760
attendance numbers, but the ratings weren't
good. I think they made what four

1212
01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:00.760
or five hundred thousand that night,
Like it wasn't a lot so and yeah,

1213
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:02.680
that was probably on the ESPN so
Fox. If they put on Fox,

1214
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.920
it could be better. But I
guess it really just depends on how

1215
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:12.279
they're gonna present this game, Like
I anticipate this is gonna be six seven

1216
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.479
hundred thousand per game unless they willing
knock it out of the park with it.

1217
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.720
And I mean, could you imagine
that they put like the Houston Roughnecks

1218
01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:23.520
and the Mesa Showboats on Friday Night, like nobody's gonna watch, Like that's

1219
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.880
the game that if you're gonna put
it on Friday night and you're gonna hype

1220
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.479
it up as to the marquee,
you have to have the best teams playing

1221
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:30.920
each other week. It needs to
be like the game of the week,

1222
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:32.760
like it's gonna be between these two
teams. That's how it's gonna work.

1223
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:36.800
It needs to be UFL's Monday Night
football or Sunday Night Football. Yeah.

1224
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:41.000
I like this coming here, Jack
Hammers. I gotta put it up here.

1225
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:43.039
If I'm gonna make fun of it
and not make fun of it,

1226
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:45.800
Why DFL don't you answer my local
obscurity? We were totally supported. I

1227
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.399
like that. I like that.
Andy. Let's get your thoughts. We'll

1228
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:51.079
circle back to John because then I
think we have someone standy by that knows

1229
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.239
all about Friday night sports competition here, So let's get that Andy's thoughts and

1230
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.760
then we'll move on here. Yeah. My thoughts on that are be consistent,

1231
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:00.800
not convenience. And the reason I
say that is, don't do this

1232
01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.720
change just because it's gonna be an
in career broadcast schedule. To be consistent

1233
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:05.880
with it. If you want to
commit to Friday and night, commit to

1234
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:10.319
it. Do that fine. The
CFL does that with Friday night lights.

1235
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.319
They love doing it. That's their
thing. Obviously, in this country,

1236
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.680
more people are familiar with watching high
school football on Fridays in the fall and

1237
01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:19.000
in the spring. There's not really
a concept of that. If you want

1238
01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:23.199
to make that a thing, go
for it, Advertise it, as Anthony

1239
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.159
said, make it the game of
the week, make it really important.

1240
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.239
Is John also alluded to as well. But I don't want them to just

1241
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.159
keep doing this because well, we
have something, we have better programming,

1242
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.199
We're just gonna shift this over because
that tells me that shows at least as

1243
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.880
a viewer. That tells me that
you don't really care about that product nearly

1244
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.279
as much as you do other assets. And look, I know it may

1245
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.720
not be as much of a moneymaker. And I know Eric Shanks was the

1246
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:46.079
one that obviously one of the pigh
end Fox executives will he has a much

1247
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:51.119
bigger ulterior motive here at play than
the league officials do, because obviously he

1248
01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:56.600
has to make sure that Fox Sports
programming is optimal at all times. But

1249
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.800
this is something that I would like
to see from the league, is that

1250
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:01.960
you choose something, you stick with
it and if it works great, If

1251
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:04.840
it's not working, how do we
make it better? So for me,

1252
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:10.239
I just wanted to be more of
a plan as opposed to it just being

1253
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:14.000
convenience. Real quick here, we've
had a bunch of these comments John,

1254
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:15.840
John's checking in here and then we'll
get to John. We'll get out of

1255
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.840
here. Can other can he CFL
experience in the great cut? It's not

1256
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:23.439
the great in the championship game today. The last year we had Thanky and

1257
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:25.079
all that and then went off the
top of my head. I've been trying

1258
01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:29.359
to We've had like three or four
different people of us about that. Maybe

1259
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:30.920
Andy'll do some off site research here. We'll look into that. John,

1260
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.079
we'll look into that. Uh,
John Lewis. Anything else from you will

1261
01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.680
bring in Greg, John, I
appreciate it like his you know, check

1262
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:40.279
out John's channel. John. I
think I'm going to come on there soon.

1263
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:42.680
We're going to talk about some strenand
agains. It won't be two hours,

1264
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.600
John, does these short videos probably
make you two hours? Yeah?

1265
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.600
John? Anything else from you?
No, just looking forward to it again.

1266
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.199
You know, as a lot of
us who's followed spring football, I've

1267
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:54.520
said this before. We followed over
the years. When you get to a

1268
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:58.000
championship game and you've actually completed a
season, let's call it a win,

1269
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:00.159
and let's hope for a lot more. You know a lot better, and

1270
01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.439
I think the league will learn from
from some mistakes in twenty twenty fours.

1271
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:05.319
We move on to twenty twenty five, but looking forward to it today,

1272
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:10.119
John appreciated John Flannery. Hey,
we got John's thanking. John's here.

1273
01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:13.439
I appreciate Thank you, John,
John, don't make any more bad takes

1274
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.159
here before the championship game. Well, I want to make so many,

1275
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.439
and I want them all. I
want you to record them all. I'll

1276
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:20.359
send them to you, all right, Thanks John, appreciate you, guys.

1277
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:25.199
Let's bring in here a gentleman,
Sandy By. I appreciate that as

1278
01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.640
someone that knows all about Friday destination
programming with w W and Smackdot. What

1279
01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.720
do you make of this? Greg
Parks ufl board appreciate it. Greg was

1280
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.520
on a couple weeks ago. I
like a subscribe here. We've added a

1281
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:39.439
few subscribers today. The thoughts that
maybe we aren't doing expansion, Greg,

1282
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:42.880
that we're just really allocating games for
Friday to make room for things that we

1283
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:46.560
care more about on Fox. Well, I don't know if i'd term it

1284
01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:49.199
that way, at least I hope
not for the sake of the league.

1285
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:55.119
But you know, this is something
where you know, obviously this has been

1286
01:17:55.399 --> 01:18:02.760
Friday night SmackDown spot on for a
long time. And so what's interesting is

1287
01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:06.960
by the time the UFL season comes
around, whether it's February, whether it's

1288
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:12.920
March, whatever time they start next
year, you are going to have that

1289
01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:17.800
Friday spot already a destination for sports
because you're going to have college football on

1290
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:21.640
Fridays, You're gonna have college basketball
on Fridays. I think there's gonna be

1291
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:27.560
some other sports offerings perhaps that will
be on Fridays as well. So the

1292
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:32.479
idea, I think is to get
fans used to Friday nights on Fox being

1293
01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:39.199
a sports destination night. And hopefully
by the time the UFL rolls around when

1294
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.920
it kicks off, fans will be
used to, you know, tuning in

1295
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:46.000
on Friday nights and this time they're
just going to tune into UFL football instead

1296
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.560
of the Big Ten or instead of
college basketball. So that's I think,

1297
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:54.800
in an ideal world that's what happens. Because I know SmackDown is leaving Fox

1298
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:59.079
this fall, so you know they're
going to have to start replacing that programming

1299
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:02.800
in the fall the time the winter
rolls around. Hopefully that's the spot for

1300
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.399
it. And again, you know, I've made this point on social media

1301
01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:12.800
before, I'd never understood the connection
with expansion and moving to Friday nights.

1302
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.560
To me, it's not difficult to
find. I think it's maybe even less

1303
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:23.199
difficult for ABC and Fox to find
three spots on the weekend for UFL games

1304
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:27.399
instead of four, so it might
be actually easier on the networks. But

1305
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:30.720
you know, hopefully if the league
was planning on expanding for the second year,

1306
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.600
we would have heard about that by
now, because we're now into the

1307
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.319
time of the year where it's going
to be less than a year until this

1308
01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:40.880
league kicks off. And if you're
talking expansion, there's been no city's name.

1309
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:44.319
There's not even been any rumors of
the UFL reaching out to any cities.

1310
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:47.079
You'd have to hire head coaches,
you'd have to design logos, you'd

1311
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:50.520
have to reveal all of this stuff, you'd have to have an expansion draft,

1312
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.640
all of this stuff in less than
a year's time. And now we're

1313
01:19:54.800 --> 01:20:00.199
talking again about fitting all of this
stuff into a very short compacted time period,

1314
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:03.199
which, as we know, has
bit in the UFL slash XFL slash

1315
01:20:03.359 --> 01:20:09.199
USFL in the butt before. So
it doesn't seem like it's in the cards

1316
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.239
for season two. I don't think
it should be in the cards for season

1317
01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:15.000
two. But if we have a
successful season two, let's start talking about

1318
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.720
it for season three. Man,
Greg is coming in fire. I appreciate

1319
01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:23.359
it. Ready to go here,
All right, let's do it. Let's

1320
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:27.720
go around the horn. We will
not TALC expansion yet. You know,

1321
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:30.359
I just took advil this morning to
heal my headache and now already have one

1322
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:33.000
back up because we're talking expansion.
So thanks, great, appreciate it.

1323
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:38.720
Look, I agree with Greg,
like we need I know, expansion is

1324
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.479
such a fun topic to have,
but we have got to stop talking about

1325
01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.600
it, like the league has to
be profitable. We need to see success,

1326
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:47.000
we need to see growth. You're
in a year out before we even

1327
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:49.920
consider it. Yeah, I think
twenty twenty six of the earliest they should

1328
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:54.159
think about expansion. But I mean, where are you gonna go? Like,

1329
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:57.239
it just seems like they're just gonna
go with their the assets that they

1330
01:20:57.239 --> 01:20:59.720
have. So where do you go? You go to Oklahoma and bring back

1331
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:01.680
the laws to you bring back the
teams that you had in the past.

1332
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:05.199
I know they're very big on Ohio, Like where I don't. I don't

1333
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:09.800
know what the next direction is gonna
be. I assume they're just gonna go

1334
01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:15.159
with former USFL teams and start with
those first and maybe go back to go

1335
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:16.600
to New Orleans or something like that. I know there's been a big push

1336
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:21.520
on that. Like for me,
like I hate expansion. It's just like,

1337
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:25.279
what's the point in talking about it. Let's let's try to make it

1338
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:28.640
work with the eighteens we got now, because we've had so many leagues fail

1339
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.199
and we saw this with the USFL
back in the eighties when they expanded so

1340
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:36.600
quickly and it fell apart so badly
that everyone went bankrupt and they lost a

1341
01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:39.960
ton of money out of it.
So yeah, let's stick with the eight

1342
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.640
teams. Let's make it work at
the markets first, Like, let's make

1343
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:45.279
it work. Houston needs a lot
of work, Memphis needs a lot of

1344
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.239
work, Michigan needs a lot of
work. Even Arlington needs a lot of

1345
01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:53.239
You got to markets, those four
you need to have every one of your

1346
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:58.079
teams averaging at least ten thousand fans
a game next year, or otherwise you

1347
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.039
may have to consider red occasion for
those other teams, and you may need

1348
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:05.039
to before you can. I just
I don't think we should talk expansion first.

1349
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:09.319
I think the first conversation needs to
be do we need to relocate teams

1350
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:12.760
after next year. I'm fine with
everyone's staying, but you know, if

1351
01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:15.239
we got to figure out if these
markets are gonna work or not. If

1352
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.840
they're not gonna work next year,
let's get them in the right market average

1353
01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:21.079
to ten thousand fans a game,
and then let's bring on two more teams,

1354
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:26.159
Andy Thollos, and then I'll hop
in here. It's the E word,

1355
01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:28.439
as I like to call it now, and it has been for some

1356
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:30.600
time. Look, people love talking
about this in all leagues and all sports

1357
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.680
because everyone wants to have a team. But as Anthony talked about, the

1358
01:22:35.720 --> 01:22:39.119
reality is, that's just not in
the cards for this sleep right now,

1359
01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:41.640
because they need to figure out what
they're doing with their markets right now.

1360
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.199
You're telling me that you would be
comfortable with expanding when you have two teams

1361
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:51.119
Memphis and Houston, who combined individually
combines, their attendance was outdrawn by the

1362
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:55.960
BattleHawks in the first game of their
season. Completely. That means you have

1363
01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.319
a lot of work to do.
I cannot in good conscious recommend that they

1364
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:02.359
expand right now until they figure that
out first. And look, if you

1365
01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:05.600
want to take risks, that's fine. The XFL was going to move from

1366
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:09.159
Las Vegas. That is well documented. They were going to move from Las

1367
01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:12.680
Pigs. If they tried it failed. It didn't work for a litany of

1368
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:16.239
reasons. But there's no reason to
think that this is going to really happen.

1369
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.479
There's going to be real location before
there's going to be expansion, because

1370
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.920
the markets need to work first.
There needs to be foundations in place if

1371
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.720
you're not going to have individual owners
that at least have successful teams and attendance

1372
01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:31.159
first, this has to be a
baby steps process. As far as the

1373
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.640
teams be successful, as far as
the marketing goes, we obviously want to

1374
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:38.920
see more done. But as far
as just being successful and not expecting to

1375
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:44.800
have thirty teams, that's just a
pipe dream and it has to be approached.

1376
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.840
Typically, if they're even thinking about
even thinking about putting another team in

1377
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.439
another market and adding to the ones
they have. We got Mike Mitchell here

1378
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.920
logging in here. We'll get to
him in a few minutes. Appreciate that,

1379
01:23:55.000 --> 01:23:57.600
we'll get Mica. Send him a
private note here, Greg, And

1380
01:23:57.600 --> 01:23:59.439
then I got a question for you, Greg. This is a good one.

1381
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:02.920
Yeah, I agree with you where
we don't want to have this every

1382
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.439
year we've had a truncated timeline.
You know, we dealt with the Vegas

1383
01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:09.039
thing, and we dealt with this
year and okay, Michigan can sell things

1384
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:11.680
in time. And now we're even
talking there. I mean, they're complaining

1385
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:14.159
even about the championship game. And
we should have had the buy week and

1386
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:15.439
then last year we wanted to buy. We didn't want to buy week,

1387
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:17.760
like there's always all this kind of
time, and said, but I agree

1388
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.279
with that, Like you need to
be moving on this, like you know

1389
01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:23.239
next week or the week, you
know, in the next couple of weeks.

1390
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:25.760
You got to have these announcements to
move on because you can't just sit

1391
01:24:25.800 --> 01:24:29.199
idle all summer and then come around
to that. Uh. Jack's got a

1392
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:31.800
question here, and this this is
this, This might be the title next

1393
01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:35.079
week if if Greg there, Mike
and I do our post game. What

1394
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:39.039
is the UFL's end game. I
know the AF wanted to compete with the

1395
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:41.960
NFL, but the UFL wants to
be like Greg, what is the UFL's

1396
01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:47.039
end game. You know, based
on everything that ownership has talked about,

1397
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:50.920
they want to kind of be in
their own ecosystem. You know, I

1398
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:56.600
don't think it's necessarily a competition with
the NFL. It's a competition with any

1399
01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:00.399
sport and any entertainment entity. But
really it's you know, providing a place

1400
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:04.680
for these players to play that don't
make it to the NFL. But also,

1401
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.760
you know, making money. Obviously, you know, how are they

1402
01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:12.039
going to make money? That's a
good question. Is it selling the franchises?

1403
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:16.600
Is it selling broadcast fees, which
you would think would be very difficult

1404
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:21.079
now because Fox and ABC, Slash
ESPN both have an ownership stake. So

1405
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:28.680
the idea when Vince McMahon first relaunched
it in twenty twenty was to get a

1406
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:32.319
piece of that broadcast pie where everybody, all these networks and all these cable

1407
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:38.159
stations saw that sports programming was the
golden goose and they were going to pay

1408
01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:44.079
billions of dollars. Vince saw that
his own company WWE was getting a piece

1409
01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:46.479
of that, and you know,
that was kind of his endgame. He

1410
01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:50.720
wanted to cash in on the rights
fees bonanza that was going on. It's

1411
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:57.119
still going on for the larger organizations
your NBA's, your NHL's, your nfls.

1412
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:00.760
We haven't really seen that trickle down
to some of the lower levels that

1413
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:04.000
the UFL would be considered yet,
But the fact that Fox owns it means

1414
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:08.520
okay, you know, are they
going to sell games to a third party

1415
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.159
broadcast to kind of cash in on
that. So I'm not as sure of

1416
01:26:12.199 --> 01:26:16.159
the end game of the UFL today
as I was when the XFL first relaunched,

1417
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:20.319
Which takes me back to is it
just selling franchises? Is it trying

1418
01:26:20.359 --> 01:26:29.760
to make tens of millions of dollars
selling these franchises and expanding the market for

1419
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:34.600
the UFL. You know, That's
that's what I see right now. Let's

1420
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:36.960
pop around here. I had to
comment this out of my head now because

1421
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:41.640
I was making for the greg I
endgame here, because like, that's it

1422
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.680
was it? Because it's been mixed, because you have Luz saying like on

1423
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:45.840
our show, like well, we
don't want it to be a development of

1424
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.119
league, and then we talk about
the players wanted to develop. You talk

1425
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:50.479
about, like it said, the
sports. I don't see anyone in the

1426
01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:54.560
world. It's say, for Saint
Louis, you're the CFL fans want now

1427
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.119
to be a franchise. I don't
see anyone paying money for any of these

1428
01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.479
teams. But what's your thoughts?
Yeah, I don't know what the end

1429
01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:03.520
game is. I think right now
is survival. Just live every year.

1430
01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:05.920
Like if they can get through a
whole season, I think it's a massive

1431
01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:10.720
win. But yeah, in terms
of endgame, I have no idea,

1432
01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:14.159
Like how much does this league want
to expand? Like I feel like they're

1433
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:18.039
so focused more on being a TV
product versus like a live sports product.

1434
01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.640
You know that that's the difference between
them and like the n b A and

1435
01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.279
you know, NHL, like the
leagues they have to compete within the off

1436
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:29.119
season. Is they want to be
a TV product. That's just the most

1437
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:30.600
important thing. They want to be
innovative. They want to you know,

1438
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.720
add in different camera angles. They
want to put cameras on rests and players

1439
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:39.800
and give you know, the viewers
a different the drone. We Yeah,

1440
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:43.680
that's so loud, you can't hear
anything else. But they want to have

1441
01:27:43.720 --> 01:27:45.840
that innovation because they the reality is
they know they're not going to get the

1442
01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.920
attendance number that these other sports are
going to get. So you know,

1443
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:51.439
if you're going to draw people that
are at home, all right, let's

1444
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:56.000
make it a great experience for them, so that you know, maybe maybe

1445
01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:00.439
it draws fans away from going to
the stadium, maybe becomes a TV product

1446
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:02.800
thing. Like you look at the
Fan Control Football League, like that's a

1447
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:06.840
that's a TV product in itself,
Like they play one place where in Atlanta,

1448
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:11.640
Georgia. But it looks but it's
it's a lot of fun to watch

1449
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:14.119
on TV. I'm not gonna lie, it's not great football, but it's

1450
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:15.640
like arena football. But it's still
a lot of fun to watch. And

1451
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.640
I feel like if that's the way
the UFL wants to go about it.

1452
01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:23.520
And I've always said, like the
Premiere Lacrosse League they do the touring system,

1453
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:26.039
Like I really think the league should
have done that in the first place,

1454
01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:29.600
Like they're not interested in, you
know, getting higher attendants and stuff

1455
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:31.239
like that, then just go on
just tour around the country and play these

1456
01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:35.880
teams everywhere because premire lacross league they
can do. You know, it looks

1457
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.960
good on TV. It's not a
big audience. It's obviously they only maybe

1458
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:43.359
do two three thousand fans in the
seats, but at least it looks good

1459
01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:46.560
on TV, not compared to like
watching a Houston and mephis home game where

1460
01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:49.680
nobody shows up to it. So, but I don't know what the end

1461
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:51.640
game is for this league at the
end of the day. I think they

1462
01:28:51.680 --> 01:28:55.119
just want to survive. And maybe
it's a tax ride off for Fox.

1463
01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.479
I don't know, but I think
they just want to survive right now.

1464
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:00.920
And it makes me think about a
Greg guy tat survive If I like you,

1465
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:05.079
I yeah, let's get Andy o
Toss Patrick guy, Greg, and

1466
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:08.920
then we'll bring up Mike here,
you know, endgame here kind of that

1467
01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:11.800
process. Well, first of all, I just I want to see this

1468
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.640
league celebrate its accomplishments a little bit
more. And I think that's one of

1469
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:16.800
the things that these leagues don't do
enough of. Go back to Anthony's point

1470
01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:20.199
about I FCS and we actually talked
about with you this with you guys last

1471
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:25.039
night. If the CF is like
still around, I know they kind of

1472
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:29.039
still are, but they haven't had
a season right in the last year they

1473
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:32.039
In my opinion, if I was
running that league, I would be trumpeting

1474
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:36.560
from the top of the mountains about
Quantes stickers. That guy started playing in

1475
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:41.560
their league, had never played football
before organized professional football or high school or

1476
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.960
anything, goes into their league,
starts playing, goes to the CFL,

1477
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.479
and gets drafted by the Jets.
Are you kidding me? That's such an

1478
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:51.319
incredible story. I would be trumpeting
that from the first moments that he got

1479
01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:55.840
any sort of NFL attention. And
I really want these leagues to continue to

1480
01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:59.279
celebrating themselves in their accomplishments. I
think that's one of the biggest things as

1481
01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:01.640
far as the end I mean,
I think one of the things we keep

1482
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.479
tossing around is the MLS model,
right, being able to build your assets,

1483
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:11.680
be able to slowly but surely get
more teams across the nation, and

1484
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:16.159
then as notoriety is built, being
able to sell them off for franchise fees

1485
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.560
or be able to have entry fees. I mean San Diego, I know

1486
01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.840
I talked about my city too much. San Diego is about to get an

1487
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:26.239
MLS team next year. It costs
four hundred million dollars for Muhammad mens Or

1488
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:29.680
to start that team. I mean, that is an incredible right speech to

1489
01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:33.680
be able to just start a soccer
team in that part of the United States

1490
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:38.479
or anywhere. And so that has
been built through years and years and years

1491
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.600
of slow build up from the MLS. You can just debate about, you

1492
01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:44.119
know, the competition level. I
know I have a lot of people I

1493
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:46.920
talk to, especially people watch you
know, European soccer soccer across the world

1494
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:48.399
and say, well, it's not
good enough, or you know, all

1495
01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:50.159
the retired players go there. But
you know what, the fact of the

1496
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:53.920
matter is they make money at their
making moves. I mean lean and ls

1497
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.319
Mennessey is playing in Miami. You
know, I don't think that could have

1498
01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:58.960
happened ten years ago. Now it's
a reality. Those are the kinds of

1499
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:00.920
things that you have to think about
the league like this, and you have

1500
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.000
to have that slow build up.
So if you go if you want to

1501
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.720
go to that model, I think
that's that's notable. That's fine, but

1502
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.039
I don't know if that's their plan. That's the thing. I think that

1503
01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:12.600
should be their plan, at least
part of the plan. I don't know

1504
01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:15.399
if that's what their end goal is. It really just again just seems like

1505
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.239
it's flat lacking. You got to
have you got to have patients, and

1506
01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:21.600
you got to have a willingness to
spend a lot of money for a long

1507
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:26.199
time to reach that point. I
mean, think about how long the MLS

1508
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.560
has been around before they were able
to turn that stuff into profits. So

1509
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:35.760
that remains to be seen how willing
Fox and Redbird are to continue to split

1510
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:41.680
the costs of a pro football league, whether it's eight franchises or ten or

1511
01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:45.439
whatever the case may be. Greg, anything else you want to plug and

1512
01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:47.239
I'm sure you're going to have your
post stuff coming out is Mark Here?

1513
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:49.680
Is Mark covering for board. Anything
else you want to talk about before we

1514
01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:54.960
get you out, We'll bring my
gun. Yeah. Ufl board editor Mark

1515
01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:59.840
Nelson is in Saint Louis, so
he's got some coverage on social media and

1516
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.680
on ufl board dot com. I
tweeted out at Greg m parks a couple

1517
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:06.720
of my preview articles that I posted
this week leading up to the game,

1518
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:12.319
and I'll have some thoughts certainly after
the game next week as well. And

1519
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.159
then we kind of turned the page
to the off season, and this is

1520
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:17.439
the interesting time of the year for
me where we start looking ahead to the

1521
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:21.880
draft and other player acquisition processes through
the off season. So I'll have a

1522
01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:27.279
lot about that and looking back on
last year's rookie draft for the XFL.

1523
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:32.119
I'll have some articles looking at the
upcoming summer showcases that the UFL will be

1524
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:35.800
holding. So a lot of interesting
stuff still coming up in the off season.

1525
01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:39.960
So you know, the NFL,
they don't have much of an off

1526
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.239
season, and I like to think
I don't have much of an off season

1527
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:45.640
for the UFL in terms of coverage
either, So you can stay tuned at

1528
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:47.760
UFL board dot com for that.
Well, Greg, I appreciate it.

1529
01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:51.439
As always. I was checking out
out a lot of cmpunk here with Drew.

1530
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:56.399
There's a lot I like that.
It was hot w I don't know

1531
01:32:56.479 --> 01:33:00.479
if I ever wanted to see that
Drew McIntyre cmpunk match, but exciting that

1532
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:02.720
they're they're working hard to make you
want to see it. Read that's what

1533
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.279
That's what you can say. They
really are. It's like, Okay,

1534
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.000
I've seen this now for a year. I really want to see this.

1535
01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:12.920
Greg, I appreciate it. Chris
sta apologist. There we go. We

1536
01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:17.239
appreciate it. Awesome. Thanks Greg. We will bring in the UFL insider

1537
01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:20.560
here our own Mike Mitchell. Mike, I think we're gonna schedule. Willing

1538
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:25.039
God will, We'll figure out a
time to do kind of a mid postseason

1539
01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:29.600
highly recap here this week. Like
to subscribe for that, Mike. Is

1540
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:34.319
the uf L to focus on being
the TV product that's such a multi layered

1541
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:38.920
like, it's really gonna take It's
gonna take a long time to get into

1542
01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:41.920
that. I'll say no. I'll
say they want they want to get to

1543
01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:48.039
the point where they're have revenue streams
in every aspect of the league. We'll

1544
01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.640
probably talk about it as the after
the championship game. But I have to

1545
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:59.279
wonder sometimes how committed Redbird is to
this long term there kind of their kind

1546
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:02.199
of deal with me is. I
feel like they're used to getting into something

1547
01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:09.520
and then getting out and maximizing their
investment. And I think this merger happened

1548
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:13.119
because they didn't see the light at
the end of the tunnel. I think

1549
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.159
Fox was having that same kind of
viewpoint and they wanted to see if they

1550
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.920
can hit a home run with this
thing. So I think I've said this

1551
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:23.399
a million different places. Your show
included, podcasts included I think this bought

1552
01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:27.439
this entity two more years and then
we'll see what they for Fox. I

1553
01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:30.760
get it right. Instead of paying
a rights fee for a league, you

1554
01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:33.920
control costs. You don't have to
pay a rights fee. You own the

1555
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:39.640
league. You get to pocket whatever
you pocket so and so. And you

1556
01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:42.399
know, the ratings are respectable.
They're on par or better than a lot

1557
01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.119
of these other leagues that are you
know, that have been around for a

1558
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.520
while. So and that's not an
easy thing to do. So whether or

1559
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.479
not they can grow, they've developed
a nice floor. Whether or not there

1560
01:34:51.560 --> 01:34:55.800
is a ceiling. It makes me
wonder whether or not read a bird sees

1561
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.800
that ceiling. And well, you
know, I'm not saying this is going

1562
01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.399
to happen in this offseason. What
if all of a sudden we get news

1563
01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:06.760
alert that they've kind of gracefully bowed
out. I'm not saying that's coming,

1564
01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:10.920
but you know, it's just something
to think of down the line. So

1565
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:13.920
endgame. I heard you guys talking
about it. Tough act to follow with

1566
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.840
Greg Parks on here, you always
does a tremendous job. They want to

1567
01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:24.399
become. They want to be a
standalone league MLS esque and have that type

1568
01:35:24.399 --> 01:35:27.039
of success. Whether or not they
can get there, it remains to be

1569
01:35:27.119 --> 01:35:30.880
seen. I got to come and
if you guys have questions for Greg or

1570
01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:32.119
right, excuse me for Mike,
let me know too many. It's also

1571
01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:34.760
hard with like the Anthony and Andy. It's really just hard for my life

1572
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:39.840
here all that stuff. Mike.
That's what I and I was saying before

1573
01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:43.239
you got on here, Like I'm
not nearly obviously as like into all this

1574
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:45.520
as you are, with the weeds
and all that stuff. You would have

1575
01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:47.359
liked sitting with the bar with us
last night a lot of different kind of

1576
01:35:47.640 --> 01:35:53.640
like looking at the different xflex or
ufl exachs kind of really just tremendous people

1577
01:35:53.640 --> 01:35:55.960
watching for about an hour there.
We got back and had the night cap

1578
01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:58.600
at the hotel. But like,
I would not be surprised in the next

1579
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.039
six months there's an article like,
uh you Redbird, uh sells off you

1580
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:06.800
know, UFL steake to Fox or
whatever, like is that I I don't

1581
01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:12.159
know over under, I mean,
is that close to you? Would that

1582
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.479
be something that could happen in the
next six months? You gotta wonder.

1583
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:17.560
You gotta wonder with them, like
when do they get out? They usually

1584
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:20.720
get out, Like I'm not saying
they're getting out of Liverpool and all that

1585
01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:24.399
stuff, but a lot of these
things they do, a lot of these

1586
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:28.000
investments they make, they have you
know, they're thinking about long term gains

1587
01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.760
and then selling it off, right, and that's you know there they get

1588
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:35.680
people to invest. And so I
think that's the endgame goal for the UFL

1589
01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:39.800
is to eventually get to the point
where the property is so hot that they

1590
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.039
can sell it off like MLS franchises
and all that. But that takes a

1591
01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:45.840
lot of time. Pro football is
very expensive. You need a lot of

1592
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:49.800
patience to pull that off. So
I'm not saying, you know, it's

1593
01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:53.520
just something I thought of when you
guys were talking about endgame, you know,

1594
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:56.880
wondering about what Redbird's endgame is.
We look at Fox. Fox has

1595
01:36:56.920 --> 01:36:59.479
been a constant in this space,
right, so you know, if you

1596
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.279
look at like, you know,
the twenty twenty with the XFL, twenty

1597
01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:05.880
twenty one TSL and then of course
the USFL onto the UFL, they seem

1598
01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:10.119
pretty invested in this thing. Now. Now of course they're gonna we just

1599
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:12.720
saw what they did. You know, I wrote about this SI everybody knows

1600
01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:15.960
about it. They kind of the
UFL took a back seat, opened up

1601
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:18.479
the door, took one for the
team, for lack of a better term,

1602
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:23.880
to create an opening there for the
IndyCar series, their IndyCar jump ship

1603
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:27.880
from NBC to Fox because they have
all those nice broadcast windows. How did

1604
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:32.960
those broadcast windows become available? UFL
was moved to Friday nights, So it

1605
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.520
doesn't speak to me as a commitment
of that any thoughts, questions anything we're

1606
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:41.000
testing into here. I mean,
so I guess Mike Mike follow up would

1607
01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:43.359
be, what was the point of
Redwork getting into it in the first place?

1608
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.079
I mean, do they actually think
they're gonna be able to sell like

1609
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:48.159
their portion of the league off more
than what they got at the beginning.

1610
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:51.239
I mean, I just don't feel
like this league is making the type of

1611
01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:55.520
revenue that would, you know,
make it enough for record and be like,

1612
01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:57.479
oh, we're gonna sell it off
and make more money off of it.

1613
01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:00.239
I think they saw the success of
the xf fell in twenty twenty,

1614
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:04.239
the Danny Garcia Dwayne Johnson element,
they thought, you know, this could

1615
01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:06.720
be a home run. I mean, so many people over the years I've

1616
01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:11.880
been following these leagues my whole life. They see the potential of what a

1617
01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:15.960
pro football league in the NFL offseason, how popular could potentially be, And

1618
01:38:16.039 --> 01:38:21.640
so you know, they're they're used
to betting on winners, so like they

1619
01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:26.399
bet on the Yankees and all this
stuff and the Liverpool, all these things

1620
01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:30.560
are winners. These entities are winners. These are championship models with leagues like

1621
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:34.359
the UFL. Let's face it,
like these are not. We don't know

1622
01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:38.159
that these are forever leagues. We
don't know if these are four year leagues

1623
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:42.640
with the like MLB, NHL,
NFL, those are forever leaks. Still

1624
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:45.359
they'll be They're gonna be around forever. So we don't know that about this

1625
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:48.079
league. So, I mean,
this is a long conversation. Like I

1626
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:50.520
said, there's so many different layers
to this thing. I'd rather talk about

1627
01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:55.159
the championship game. Boy, We'll
again, we'll do that before you We'll

1628
01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:57.479
do that. But I hear you, but I hear you, guys.

1629
01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:00.600
This is definitely this is something I
thought I'd be delving in with read next

1630
01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:02.680
week. But as when the smoke
clears, because there's gonna be league meetings

1631
01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:06.000
after all this, after the smoke
clears from the championship game, and they're

1632
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.720
going to reassess and then look at
what they're you know, they have a

1633
01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:14.239
two year plan in place, they
got government approval. They're supposed to implement

1634
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:16.399
a lot of the things that they
want that because they have more time now.

1635
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:19.560
So let's see, you know,
Danny Garcia talking about having a more

1636
01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:24.800
strategic schedule next year, and we'll
see how they implement it, what they

1637
01:39:24.840 --> 01:39:29.119
do when the schedule is. There's
a lot of questions for after the season,

1638
01:39:29.159 --> 01:39:31.840
which is you know, I guess
around eight pm tonight, maybe eight

1639
01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:36.039
thirty ish Eastern time. I got
one more question for Michael, what you

1640
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:40.199
talk about the game here? Let's
get Andy here real quick. Pat saying

1641
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.039
DJ and Danny have to do more. I'm kind of underwhelmed by that.

1642
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:48.199
All this season. I just don't
know how much their involvement has been here,

1643
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:53.680
to be honest, so we've barely
seeing Dwayne or Dandy involved with this

1644
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:57.079
really. I know they've been co
owners, but a lot of people have

1645
01:39:57.159 --> 01:39:59.279
pointed this out this year, and
I feel the same way. This felt

1646
01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.119
like an acquisition not a merger.
I mean, this is really a Fox

1647
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.840
product, and even though ESPN is
involved, even though ABC is involved,

1648
01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:11.079
it's from the outside it really has
felt like it's Fox's product. So for

1649
01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:13.600
Danny Dwayne, I don't know what
they're skinning the game of this either.

1650
01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:17.279
I mean Dwayne obviously put out a
tweet yesterday about how the game's coming.

1651
01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:20.000
I don't know if he's actually like
where's he gonna be watching it from.

1652
01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:25.000
I don't know, like it is
gym somewhere and Honolulu. I have no

1653
01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:29.199
idea. But there's there's so many
mitigating factors here, like how much,

1654
01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:30.520
like you said, how much steak
is there really in this league? How

1655
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:33.800
much can they really sell off?
How much like equity is built into this

1656
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:36.680
league, especially when it's changed hands
so many different times. I mean,

1657
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:42.720
that's that's not really a thing that
you can really trace most of the time.

1658
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.000
And I mean it's not a publicly
traded entity. It's not a stock

1659
01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:46.840
market nothing like that, so it's
kind of hard to really trace that through.

1660
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:51.600
So for me, I mean,
I wouldn't be surprised if Redbird just

1661
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:56.680
decided to pack up and sail off
after this year, because I just I

1662
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.119
don't know. Again, we talked
about what's the long term plan here,

1663
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:00.680
and if we're not sure what the
long term plan is, I don't know

1664
01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:03.520
what Fox is thinking either. I
don't know if Redbird the seats it that

1665
01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:10.079
way too. So for me it
is it is a bit strange, and

1666
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:13.000
I just I don't know. It
might have just been a weird two year

1667
01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:15.079
experiment for Redburd overall. Mike,
I got a follow up for you,

1668
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.680
and then I'll promise them we'll talk
game. Here goes because I'll do it.

1669
01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:19.840
I'm gonna do a follow up and
I'm going to follow that up with

1670
01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:23.800
a game question. We see a
lot even in the comments here, Okay,

1671
01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:25.960
they want to do the MLS thing. They want to do the MLS

1672
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:29.319
thing, and like, okay,
they're they're drawing more if you look at

1673
01:41:29.319 --> 01:41:32.079
hockey or you look at this or
the WNBA, like I remember having been

1674
01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:35.560
fisher on last year talking with the
USFL, like, you know this isn't

1675
01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:40.399
the same to it quate because you
know you have even if a soccer game,

1676
01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:43.359
you know you're you're out drawing.
You know, there's more of those

1677
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:45.880
games. The fans are more invested
monetarily wise, right, they've had season

1678
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:49.159
tickets for twenty years, or buying
merch there's all these other intangibles when it

1679
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:54.000
comes to something that But like,
how how do you view that with the

1680
01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:56.479
UFL, with the teams in terms
of like, yeah, I mean they

1681
01:41:56.560 --> 01:41:59.319
rank better than some soccer games and
they rank better than whatever, but that

1682
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:02.680
doesn't mean that they're equal in value
by any means. No, it takes

1683
01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:05.279
time. You know, none of
these none of these leagues were home runs.

1684
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:08.600
Even the NFL wasn't a home run
in the early going, So there

1685
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:11.960
was struggles there. They was talking
about canceling the Super Bowl like it was

1686
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:15.520
like like in the early stages of
it, it was like one conference's one

1687
01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.520
side, the NFL strong, the
AFL is kind of a gimmicky league.

1688
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:23.279
This is just like an exhibition game. The early stages in the media,

1689
01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:26.520
they were talking about it just being
like some crazy exhibition gimmick game. And

1690
01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:28.920
now here we are. So it
takes time. With all these leagues,

1691
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:31.680
MLS, all of them, I
think they have a nice respectable floor in

1692
01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:35.079
terms of ratings. Fox has cut
out the middleman. Fox and Disney.

1693
01:42:35.159 --> 01:42:40.560
This is like a modest investment for
them and they're you know, they're not

1694
01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:45.760
going crazy with spending obviously, and
so you know it's that's that's why Fox

1695
01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:49.159
has been into this since still twenty
twenty with the XFL. It's not it's

1696
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.239
low cost. The question has always
been with these leagues, with these entities,

1697
01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:56.159
with the people who run these leagues, is whether or not they want

1698
01:42:56.199 --> 01:43:00.279
to take the risk and take the
chance if you see the possibility that hey,

1699
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.840
we might close up shop here in
a year or two. Uh,

1700
01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:06.359
time to swing for the fences,
right, that's my take on it,

1701
01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:10.840
Like if because if I think,
like I said, this merger was done

1702
01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:15.560
to buy the league more time to
see if the product and the viability of

1703
01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:18.159
it can grow. And uh,
I think it's a very good product.

1704
01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:20.840
It's just a question of whether or
not it catches on with the mainstream.

1705
01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:25.920
That's kind of like the issue right
now. They they to get sponsors to

1706
01:43:25.960 --> 01:43:28.640
get more people into the league.
So you have to prove your worth over

1707
01:43:28.720 --> 01:43:31.520
time. It takes time. Okay, Mike, here we go. You

1708
01:43:31.600 --> 01:43:36.039
got two minutes. Let's talk the
game. Birmingham Brahmas. You know we

1709
01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:40.760
don't we see we talk game before
you come up. And I want to

1710
01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:42.880
make sure you get to talk about
so talk about the game. What do

1711
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.399
you think here? Oh? I
obviously I think the Stallion is gonna win

1712
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:49.399
today. Anthony did a very good
job of writing a preview before the season.

1713
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:54.239
I predicted the Stallions would would win
the championship. This would be their

1714
01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:58.920
third straight. Obviously the first pro
football team outdoor, uh that would be

1715
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:01.279
would have accomplished that, winning three
straight championships. Maybe the Chiefs Stewart in

1716
01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.800
the NFL next year, but we
haven't seen it since the Eskimos. Maybe

1717
01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:08.680
I get in trouble for saying that, and the Packers in the sixties.

1718
01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:14.520
So it's a fascinating rematch the way
these two teams stack up against one another.

1719
01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:16.600
It also could be the swan song
for Wade Phillips. The crazy thing

1720
01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:21.920
about Wade Phillips and San Antonio Bramas
is Wade Phillips was not supposed to be

1721
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.079
a part of this league. If
it wasn't for heinz Ward balking and not

1722
01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:30.239
signing the new seasonal contract paperwork for
coaches, Wade Phillips would have been at

1723
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:33.199
home right now like eten cheetos or
whatever he does in his spare time.

1724
01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:38.279
So This could be the end of
the run for Wade. You know,

1725
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.239
like there's no guarantee that even if
he comes back next year, that he's

1726
01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:43.720
going to get to another championship.
I think it's pretty cool that this is

1727
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:47.119
his first time ever in fifty five
years of coaching leading a team to a

1728
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:50.960
title game, so as a head
coach. So I think there are a

1729
01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:56.199
lot of very cool storylines Tonight's championship. I think it's going to be a

1730
01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:58.920
very good I think these are the
two best teams. I think San Antonio

1731
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:01.359
overall was better in Saint Louis.
I know a lot of people favored Saint

1732
01:45:01.399 --> 01:45:04.319
Louis to win last week, but
how could you with the way Aj mcchaeron's

1733
01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:09.439
like hobbling around on one leg.
The Brahmas is pretty awesome story. They're

1734
01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:12.399
not really the BrahMos from last year. They had over forty new players.

1735
01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:15.439
They benefited a lot from the merger. They adopted a lot of Houston Roughnecks

1736
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:18.199
from last year's seven win team,
and they got a bunch of NFL draft

1737
01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:21.800
picks on their team. Recent NFL
draft picks Anthony McFarland, Marquis Stevenson,

1738
01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:25.920
et cetera. So I think these
are the in fact, the two best

1739
01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:27.720
teams in the league, and I
think we're gonna have a back of a

1740
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:32.479
game. But I favored Birmingham doing
something that no outdoor pro football team has

1741
01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:36.000
done in over four decades. I
got one quick follow up for Mike and

1742
01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.920
then we'll bring on Evan. I
got a follow up for Evan about Wade,

1743
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:42.239
so that would be a good transition
here. Darren wants to know real

1744
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.079
quick, do you think they go
back to the XFL kickoff next year?

1745
01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:47.960
We talked a lot about that member
during the preseason show. The thoughts on

1746
01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:51.199
that here as we get out of
the season. I think it's gonna be

1747
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:55.960
fun to watch what happens in the
NFL. Like some people are not taking

1748
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:59.239
into account that it could be a
disaster. Like I'm not saying the XFL

1749
01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:01.239
kickoff is a dis but the way
the NFL teams approach it, how it's

1750
01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:04.000
implemented. Remember, they only have
a one year buy in basically in the

1751
01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:08.640
NFL, So if for whatever reason, I know they've tweaked it to kind

1752
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:14.720
of like fit whatever they think will
be best enhance the kickoff. The UFL's

1753
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:18.760
leadership is very you know, with
moose on top, I think they want

1754
01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:23.199
to stick with the current kickoff.
So it was funny up until Chris Rowland

1755
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:26.800
the final game weekend of the season, we didn't have any kickoff returns for

1756
01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.159
a touchdowns, although we've had a
lot of great field position because of the

1757
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:32.359
way the kick is designed. I
don't know. I don't have the injury

1758
01:46:32.439 --> 01:46:36.960
data in front of me. If
it's a smashing success in the NFL,

1759
01:46:38.199 --> 01:46:42.000
the XFL kickoff, I think the
UFL will have no choice but to consider

1760
01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:45.039
using it. If, for whatever
reason, the NFL is not enamorated at

1761
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:46.920
the end of the season, it's
like, let's do something else here.

1762
01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:53.680
All options are on the table.
The XFL kickoff would have to take off

1763
01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:57.159
it has in the ELF and other
places. It would have to take off

1764
01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:00.840
in the NFL and be a success
for the UFL's going to be forced to

1765
01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:03.720
implement the same exact kickoff, which
is a little bit different than the XFL

1766
01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:08.960
kickoff that Sam Schwarztein and his team
designed last coming here, all, Aron

1767
01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:11.960
Hassel, they might as well fold
this season, how y'all. I'm talking

1768
01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.520
honestly. I thought we've been pretty
positive today. I mean, he all

1769
01:47:14.560 --> 01:47:16.359
around. He's a I mean,
I thought we've been I don't think we've

1770
01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:18.720
been that bad. Am I get
anything else, We'll bring on Evan.

1771
01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:23.039
Hear anything else from you. No, it's basically it. Thank you very

1772
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:25.399
much for having me on. You
guys have done a great job. Shout

1773
01:47:25.399 --> 01:47:28.760
out to Anthony there. Oh one
thing I meant. I wanted to shout

1774
01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:30.359
out this guy because there's so many
super fans out there. Ken Gill,

1775
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:35.000
he's out there. Yeah, last
night we were Yeah, shout out to

1776
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:39.079
him like he's funny, like you
see him all over X. I guess

1777
01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:43.560
you don't call it Twitter anymore,
but he's always plugging the UFL stuff,

1778
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.560
the championship game. I don't care. If it's like a thread on X

1779
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:49.880
about salad, he'll put in a
reply there that's about the UFL Championship game.

1780
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:54.079
So there's so many super fans out
there, Like who are in Saint

1781
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:58.479
Louis right now? I appreciate all
you guys because I love this concept and

1782
01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:00.560
I wanted to stick around forever and
I think it's a quality and it should

1783
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:05.399
it's great for the football landscape.
So excited about today's game. And thanks

1784
01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:09.239
again for having me on. Well, we appreciate it. Like I said,

1785
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:11.920
let's get you know, Mike,
we'll try to recap this week.

1786
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:14.520
I like it. Subscribe if you
want to hear from more from Mike our

1787
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:16.760
ufl insight here. So I appreciate
it, Mike, thank you, and

1788
01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:19.520
I appreciate Megan time today because I
know it's busy. Hope you guys have

1789
01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.039
a good Father's Day. Thank you. Happy father to Day to you guys.

1790
01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:29.359
All right, let's bring on here. Evan Wills Moore, evan last

1791
01:48:29.399 --> 01:48:34.000
guest today. We had Evan for
our kickoff show. A couple questions.

1792
01:48:34.039 --> 01:48:40.000
First off, how does it feel
seeing the Brahmas basically the Roughnecks more or

1793
01:48:40.079 --> 01:48:42.920
less kind of in the championship game
today as someone that covered the team last

1794
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.760
year. Yeah, it's great,
you know, really happy for Wade Phillips,

1795
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:48.920
Mark Bludbridge, AJ Smith, all
the players that were carried over from

1796
01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:55.159
Houston. But it's bittersweet overall because
you look at what happened to Houston and

1797
01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:59.239
that market and they had the worst
team in the league this year, So

1798
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:00.840
I feel bad for those fans.
Again, I'm happy for, you know,

1799
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:05.079
everybody that was directly involved with the
Roughnecks last year who carried over into

1800
01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:09.319
San Antonio. But you know it's
tough. You got to think about the

1801
01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:13.119
people in Houston who were you know, stripped of that success this year.

1802
01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:17.479
So mixed feelings, but I'm excited
to, you know, see the product

1803
01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:20.399
tomorrow. You know what they put
together on both sides of the ball.

1804
01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:24.560
And I think it's safe to say
that, you know, Wade Phillips absolutely

1805
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:28.800
deserves to be in this position.
You know, he's been I guess a

1806
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:31.720
championship winning coach before, not as
a head coach obviously, but you know

1807
01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:36.000
his time with the Broncos and with
the Rams as well, So you know,

1808
01:49:36.039 --> 01:49:39.119
again, really happy for him,
and you know, we'll see how

1809
01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:41.479
it plays out. Well, yeah, that's my fall up, and then

1810
01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:44.119
we'll go around here. What does
that do to the wades legacy? I

1811
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:46.800
thought it was cool that they really
kind of celebrated that him being here as

1812
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.039
his first What what do you think
that does for his legacy? Evan?

1813
01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:51.560
Then then we'll go around Yeah,
I mean I think you know, it

1814
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.800
does a lot for his legacy.
The guy is I think he's seventy six

1815
01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:59.960
now, and like this is really
his first chance at being a head coach,

1816
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:02.239
which I believe, or well,
I might have to double check that

1817
01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:05.239
because he's been in so many places. But the idea is, you know,

1818
01:50:05.760 --> 01:50:11.479
he's going to a pro football championship
at seventy six years old, and

1819
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:14.279
it's his first time doing so as
a head coach. Like I said,

1820
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:16.680
all the other places where he's done
it, he's been an assistant defensive coordinator,

1821
01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:20.079
whatever. You know, I think
it does a lot for his legacy.

1822
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:24.720
You know, I remember when they
first announced that Way Phillips will be

1823
01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:27.720
a coach in this league, which
was like two years ago, you know,

1824
01:50:27.800 --> 01:50:30.199
for the XFL, and that was
easily the biggest name you know that

1825
01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:32.159
they could have brought on board.
I think, you know, for the

1826
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:36.680
coaching, for all the coaches that
they had rather and you know, if

1827
01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:40.319
he wins this, I think it
does a lot. You know, it's

1828
01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:44.600
it's not going to feel maybe tremendous
because again, he has so much experience

1829
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:47.439
and he's like been in the super
Bowl type of position before at the NFL

1830
01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:51.560
level, but you know, he
wins this one, it's it's it's maybe

1831
01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:56.760
a nice sendoff because it's seventy six
years old. Again, I'm assuming he's

1832
01:50:56.800 --> 01:51:00.239
seventy six, I think, is
what I read. Assuming he's seventy six,

1833
01:51:00.520 --> 01:51:01.520
that's pretty old, you know,
to be a head coach. And

1834
01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:05.560
if I were in his position,
you know, maybe win the championship and

1835
01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:10.079
right off into the sunset and retire. I know he seems to love doing

1836
01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:13.960
this, you know, and all
my interactions with him have been positive,

1837
01:51:14.000 --> 01:51:15.279
even if they've been you know,
a few and far between, even when

1838
01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:19.319
I was in Houston. But no, it does a lot. Absolutely the

1839
01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:23.239
same question for you, guys.
I mean I enjoy it, like you

1840
01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:26.439
should celebrate this, You should hear
this, like Mike's talking like, Hey,

1841
01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:29.279
Birmingham wins are the first after of
football, you know, team like

1842
01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:31.520
I like feeling that you make yourself
part of the zeitguys, in all these

1843
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:33.560
other leagues, what do you think
this does for Wait? Yeah, I

1844
01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:36.239
think it's going to do the same
thing in different Bob Stoops when he won

1845
01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:40.560
the championship last year for Arlington,
I mean you look at stoops his first

1846
01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:44.720
two seasons in the regular season with
with the with the Renne Gains, he

1847
01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:46.600
went two and three. In twenty
twenty he went for and six and twenty

1848
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:50.319
twenty three and I don't know if
a lot of people really believe that he

1849
01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:54.640
could be a professional head coach,
and then he went in and made that

1850
01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:57.720
incredible postseason run to win the championship
last year. I think it's going to

1851
01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:01.399
do the same thing for Wade Phillips
they gets go into it. He's already

1852
01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:06.720
done a tremendous amount since being in
this league, going seven and three last

1853
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:11.680
year, taking hugheston the playoffs.
He went seven and three again this year

1854
01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:15.119
at this time he was able to
get to the championship game. So I

1855
01:52:15.159 --> 01:52:18.119
think in terms of what he's done
legacy wise, Like I know, at

1856
01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:20.000
the end of the day, like
the UFL is not gonna be on the

1857
01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:24.119
same level as the NFL, so
people may not think it's like a big

1858
01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:27.800
deal, but the impact that way
Phillips is gonna have all these players,

1859
01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:30.039
I mean, how many of these
players are gonna get onto NFL rosters during

1860
01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:33.159
training camp? Like I think a
lot of people are looking at the San

1861
01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:36.560
Antonio BrahMos, especially on defense,
and they have some really good skilled players

1862
01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:40.960
on offense. And I think Ken
gets signed by the NFL and start going

1863
01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:45.039
into training camp if he ends up
and you know, I went to well,

1864
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:46.680
I was listening to one of his
press conferences this week. It sounds

1865
01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:49.079
like he wants to keep coaching,
Like if he has the opportunity to,

1866
01:52:49.199 --> 01:52:54.199
he's gonna say he's gonna keep coaching. So I think for the legacy that

1867
01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:57.439
he's starting to build right now is
that he can develop guys to get into

1868
01:52:57.479 --> 01:53:00.119
the NFL, which I know the
league doesn't want to push on, but

1869
01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:01.760
I think that's a big, big
deal for our players that maybe were on

1870
01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:04.560
the fence, that come out of
college and maybe they didn't get drafted or

1871
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:10.239
you know former veteran NFL players who
get kicked out, they lose their job

1872
01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:12.439
in the league. And you know, if they want to look at a

1873
01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.159
team to play for it, they
want to play under Way Philips because he

1874
01:53:15.199 --> 01:53:17.000
knows he can develop them and get
him ready for the NFL. We'll go

1875
01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:19.680
to Andy here, any class questions, We're going to be done here at

1876
01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:23.960
the top of the hour, Get
ready and well we're all we're gonna Andy,

1877
01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:26.359
I got to get to the media, but well, you got to

1878
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:28.439
be there. You have real work
to do. I just said on my

1879
01:53:28.439 --> 01:53:30.479
phone and tweet funny step during the
game. But Andy that walk over there,

1880
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:34.279
Andy's gets to meet our giveaway guest
today. You got it. I

1881
01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:38.600
don't know John. I think it's
John his wife or John his son,

1882
01:53:38.680 --> 01:53:41.760
but yeah, he's excited for that. Anyway, any last questions here to

1883
01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:43.600
make sure you comment, because then
we'll get out of here and you have

1884
01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:46.399
that's on this because that's actually really
good kind of him developing and getting known

1885
01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:48.399
for that. Let's get more of
those coaches and then what do you think

1886
01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:53.520
about way than anything else? I
mean, what better way for Wade to

1887
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:57.800
really honor not only his legacy but
his father's legacy and win on Father's Day.

1888
01:53:57.880 --> 01:54:02.359
The late great bum Phillips obviously a
renowned figure in the state of Texas

1889
01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:08.000
with the Houston Oilers that franchise.
Those fans just absolutely loved his father.

1890
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:11.039
A lot of people love Wade.
I mean, that would be just an

1891
01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:15.119
tremendous storyline for him if he was
able to win on Father's Day and get

1892
01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:18.520
his real first championship for him and
his father. His father not able to

1893
01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:20.720
bring that to Houston, but was, just like I said, a beloved

1894
01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:24.680
figure. I think that would be
immense I mean, Wade is seventy six

1895
01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:29.279
years young. You know, he
loves doing this. I still can recall

1896
01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:34.039
in my youth watching him coach the
defense for the San Diego Chargers, being

1897
01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:39.359
able to just bring ferocity on defense
and just really making the careers of guys

1898
01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:43.800
like Sean Marram and Sean Phillips and
just outstanding players on that defense. I

1899
01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:48.279
always remember Wade. He his accomplishments
are few and far between them, There's

1900
01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:53.520
so many of them, there's just
such a wide breadth of them. And

1901
01:54:53.600 --> 01:54:58.000
yet I just wonder if that's going
to come to Fruition today for his sake.

1902
01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:00.600
I mean, that would be absolutely
wonderful. I did want to turn

1903
01:55:00.640 --> 01:55:02.439
over to Evan really quick. There's
a quick question, Evan. Obviously you

1904
01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:05.960
spent an extensive amount of time with
the Houston rough Knicks last year. A

1905
01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:09.960
lot of this coaching staff, some
of these players. I know you haven't

1906
01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.439
been around them obviously as much this
year, but you since there's a difference

1907
01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:16.039
in mentality with this coaching staff and
this team than last year, because obviously

1908
01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:19.399
the end of the season not in
the greatest way. I know you were

1909
01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:24.880
standing next to Anthony when the shocking
upset of the at the hands of the

1910
01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:27.840
Arlington Redkins hapened. Do you feel
like there's a different sense with this team

1911
01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:32.119
this year? You mean the Roughnecks
with the Well, with the the Broms.

1912
01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:35.119
Okay, yeah, the Artist,
the Artist formerly known as the rough

1913
01:55:35.119 --> 01:55:40.119
Necks, right right. I mean
I feel like it's a bit different just

1914
01:55:40.159 --> 01:55:42.920
because, again, you know,
and it's been brought up a couple of

1915
01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:47.880
times. While there are some key
pieces from the Roughnecks team last year,

1916
01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.760
it's still a pretty different team.
And again I give a lot of credit

1917
01:55:50.800 --> 01:55:54.680
to Mark lily Bridge. You know, Mike was talking about how they had

1918
01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:58.159
like forty new players or something,
and just to be in the position where

1919
01:55:58.159 --> 01:56:01.880
you have an opportunity to now win
the championship with so much turnover and you

1920
01:56:01.920 --> 01:56:06.000
know, different faces, you know, whether they're you know, considered to

1921
01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:12.119
be maybe better highly qualified than the
previous people. You know, it's really

1922
01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:16.079
just an incredible effort. So is
there a different vibe around it? A

1923
01:56:16.119 --> 01:56:18.520
little bit? I'd say, you
know, like I went to a game

1924
01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:23.439
in San Antonio, and you know, I felt like maybe the culture down

1925
01:56:23.439 --> 01:56:26.079
there was a bit different, the
way that they kind of sell themselves.

1926
01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.600
It's still a Texas team, you
know, and I think that's good for

1927
01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:32.920
a guy like Wade Phillips, and
that was especially important when he was in

1928
01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:36.720
Houston, you know, with the
lineage there with his father, and it

1929
01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:41.359
just made a lot of sense.
San Antonio. Again, it's a bit

1930
01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:45.720
different. They've incorporated some other elements, in particular a Latin American element that

1931
01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:49.239
I felt very strongly when I was
there. So again, that's obviously a

1932
01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:51.600
bit different than Houston. But the
idea is, you know, it's still

1933
01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:55.760
Texas, and you know, they
still have a lot of guys there that

1934
01:56:55.800 --> 01:57:00.479
you know, seem to have pretty
deep roots within the state. So that's

1935
01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:02.159
probably the best way I can put
it. You know, it's kind of

1936
01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:06.119
hard to gauge just because again there
is so many different faces. But when

1937
01:57:06.119 --> 01:57:09.720
I was there, you know,
I did talk to everybody that had been

1938
01:57:09.760 --> 01:57:13.800
in Houston, and that did feel
very familiar. A couple of comments here,

1939
01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:15.239
and then we'll go around the horror, we'll get final predictions, we'll

1940
01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:18.840
get out my I'm not ready to
use the facilities here as we get done

1941
01:57:18.880 --> 01:57:23.359
here today. Abdul says, if
the championship game gets two million viewers,

1942
01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:26.119
I need you teach. That's fine. I have no problem to be like

1943
01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.720
yeah, I'll do two shots of
Temuna. Robert here says today is to

1944
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:31.239
day I celebrate the UFL. I
think he's mad, as he says here,

1945
01:57:31.279 --> 01:57:33.279
if you guys are so smart,
why are you not working for the

1946
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:39.800
league? I thought about that last
spring with my because I do primarily weddings

1947
01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:42.279
during the summer at that time.
Man, I really actually could take like

1948
01:57:42.319 --> 01:57:45.399
a couple of months to go to
Texas. A lot of corporate stuff right

1949
01:57:45.439 --> 01:57:47.439
now for me, and honestly,
like the league can't afford me that.

1950
01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:49.640
I don't want to be rude about
it, but that's kind of where I'm

1951
01:57:49.640 --> 01:57:53.239
at. But I didn't think about
that last year when our wedding business completely

1952
01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:55.479
took at Tank in the off season, Like, hey, I could I

1953
01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:57.800
could go live in Texas for a
couple of months, Like that would be

1954
01:57:57.840 --> 01:58:00.920
fun. But uh, Evan,
let's get final predictions here. We'll go

1955
01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:05.039
around state your claim here, Bravas
and Stallions. Yeah, I'm gonna take

1956
01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:09.760
the Stallions in this game. I'm
gonna be cheering really hard for San Antonio

1957
01:58:09.880 --> 01:58:13.119
and boy, if they win,
I'm gonna be so happy, you know,

1958
01:58:13.319 --> 01:58:15.319
because again of how many people I
know on that staff and it's gonna

1959
01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:18.960
be incredible. But I really have
a gut feeling that Birmingham is going to

1960
01:58:19.039 --> 01:58:23.920
be a three time champ, which
I think Mike was saying hasn't been done

1961
01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:29.239
in four decades in pro football.
You know, they're just so complete,

1962
01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:32.359
and I know they've struggled, and
I know the last playoff game against Michigan,

1963
01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:36.000
maybe there were a few concerns,
you know, Martinez had to be

1964
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:40.840
benched and Coral came in, and
we'll see how everything plays out today.

1965
01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.319
But they just, you know,
they have so many weapons, and Skip

1966
01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:46.760
Holtz just comes across as a guy
that really knows what he's doing. And

1967
01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:50.399
I think that they're in a really
good position. But I'm picking them more

1968
01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:55.479
than anything because san Antonio has already
beat him, and I wonder if you

1969
01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:58.359
know, Birmingham is going to roll
out a completely different game plan, and

1970
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:02.479
I think san Antonio was maybe more
capable of, you know, pulling out

1971
01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:06.199
some more interesting cards, like we've
seen what aj Smith can do on the

1972
01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:10.159
offensive side of the football and how
you know, again creative he is.

1973
01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.239
So I do think that, you
know, maybe the promise can produce some

1974
01:59:13.279 --> 01:59:15.880
more exciting plays. But I feel
like Birmingham just they have too much,

1975
01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:21.880
you know, And I'm gonna take
them to win this skime Anthony Andy and

1976
01:59:21.880 --> 01:59:25.399
then we'll get o there. Yeah, I'm going to take the Stallions too.

1977
01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:29.760
I had him in my prediction article
at twenty six twenty four. Look,

1978
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:33.239
I think san Antonio, like Evan
said, like san Antonio is very

1979
01:59:33.279 --> 01:59:35.560
capable of coming up a big place. And I think they're going to have

1980
01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:40.640
a couple of really big plays today. But I think overall it look,

1981
01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:43.560
Birmingham knows how to win, Like, they just have a winning mentality.

1982
01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:45.279
They've They've only lost four games of
three years for a reason. This is

1983
01:59:45.319 --> 01:59:48.720
a very disciplined team. They protect
the football well, They're very smart with

1984
01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:53.119
what they do. I think,
you know, skip Holtz knows exactly when

1985
01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:58.159
to lead with Adria Martinez versus growing
him mat Correll Like, he's very smart,

1986
01:59:58.159 --> 02:00:00.399
He's very strategic. He knows his
players better than they know themselves.

1987
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:02.760
So I think at the end of
the day, it all comes down to

1988
02:00:02.800 --> 02:00:06.039
coaching. I think Wade is a
great coach and nothing against that coaching staff,

1989
02:00:06.079 --> 02:00:11.880
but I think skip Holtz just he
knows exactly what it takes to win.

1990
02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:14.840
In spring full baughn I trust him
a little bit more, and I

1991
02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:16.399
trust this team a little bit more. Especially, I think the big,

1992
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:20.680
big thing we have been talking about
is San Antonio's offensive line versus Birmingham's defensive

1993
02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:25.560
line. And I think Martingham's defensive
line with Carl Davis and Tackle Charlton are

1994
02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:28.239
so good, and I think they're
gonna be able to get pressure on Chase

1995
02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:31.359
Garber's and that Brahma's offense. So
I like the best Stallions to win.

1996
02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:38.720
Andy Frio in the words of Pitball
Clemmons, who said on your show two

1997
02:00:38.760 --> 02:00:41.560
years ago at the Great Cup,
when no one gave the Argos a chance,

1998
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:45.800
he said, it's going to take
a miracle. But I believe in

1999
02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:48.359
miracles, and I believe in the
Bramas. I am taking the Brahmas to

2000
02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:51.800
win this game. Their defense,
I think, is going to play out

2001
02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:57.439
of their minds. I believe in
their system. They've played with the chip

2002
02:00:57.479 --> 02:01:00.800
on their shoulder this entire year.
I think they're ready to do it one

2003
02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:03.880
more time. Listen, this entire
hotel might chase me out into the stream

2004
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out of town. But if that's
how it's going to be, so be

2005
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it. I believe the Proms are
gonna win. I take them to win

2006
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twenty two to seventeen. My MVP
is Chase Garber's dependsive MVP. I think

2007
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it is going to be DeVante Beckett
and my last Bowl prediction johns Drey Kirkland

2008
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throws a touchdown pass. I like
it. I said, we were who

2009
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is I with last year? Evan, Jason. We were at the Great

2010
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Cup when Cody Pujardo led the Montreal
Outlets down the field beat the Winnipeg Blue

2011
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Bombers. I've seen miracles happen.
I agree with. I agree. I

2012
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said I'll buy a Promise Jersey if
they win. I will be excited for

2013
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that. Evan, I appreciate it
and taking time, Evan assist directroploy personnel

2014
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over with the Vegas Nighthawks. We
appreciate that. Everybody for coming on.

2015
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Like it, Subscribe, join the
channel, give a thumbs up. If

2016
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nothing else doesn't cost anything. We
will be back. Jason and I are

2017
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going to be back Tuesday to do
our CFL recap. Andy and I will

2018
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figure out when the heck. Andy
and I will do a recap at some

2019
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point this week. Back of town, and I think Mike and I are

2020
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going to do a full deep dive
at some point, probably Thursday, for

2021
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the Friday episode. I know Anthony
is gonna have a lot of stuff out

2022
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on Sports Illustrated, check out Greg's
stuff on ufl board. Anything else I

2023
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forgot anything, all right, appreciate
it, guys, Thanks Evan. Appreciate

2024
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Anthony and Andy being here the whole
time. Thanks everyone for watching. We're

2025
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gonna head over to the game and
we'll see you next time. Thanks as

2026
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I do this and