Welcome to you Softcore History. Hello and welcome back to Softcore History. My
name's Jake Goldman. I'm joined as always by my two co hosts, Dan
Jester and Rob Fox. How you doing today, boys, Well, you
know, just fucking hanging in there, just hanging man. Ready to talk
history. Yeah, I love that stuff. Um, we are actually gonna
be talking about something that's been in the news a little bit, but not
really for like newsworthy. Shit, we're not talking about Russia. To me,
it's a should go back and listen to that episode though we're not talking
hot dogs. We're not talking hot dogs. Dan, non episode, you
kind of do the food. I feel like even the history of bananas.
You did do the history of the history of fruit. To be fair,
I did the history of love that comes with it. If you've eaten any
fruit in your entire life, you've you're an oppressor. Just remember that.
But every banana harvest is really a blood harvest. Yeah, we're talking about
um Oppenheimer. Well, first, let's talk about how we have a Patreon.
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worries. But yeah, So we're gonna be talking about something in the news
today, not hot talk manners like we said. Uh, the Oppenheimer movie
is coming out July twenty eighth, I believe, like right around then,
late July. Angel I don't even remember the week before. Same week is
Barbie, Same week is Barbie. It's the Trouble feature. I would absolutely
do that. I'm going, but you know I'm doing that. What order
are you seeing in it? I think it's she Gotta go shot Chaser Oppenheimer,
Barbie? No, no, Barbie Oppenheimer. You leave with Barbie.
Yeah, you you watch Freedom and then you watch what we sacrificed for it?
Who we sacrificed, Because I don't think you want to watch Barbie after
Oppenheimer. You're gonna just be like, nah, the same. I like
that, Christopher Nolan, just like this movie is gonna bum you out so
fucking hard. I truly He's been talking about people just like leaving the screenings
weeping, and I better leave that theater fucking blind when I leave it.
Do you think they just torch a bunch of Japanese people at the end.
He's all into practical effects, So just a bunch of Japanese prisoners, right,
he doesn't believe in CGI. No, I don't know how you recreate
that without CGI. This this is the type of movie. We're gonna go
see it together. But this is the type of movie I could tell Did
I say this on a podcast one of the last ones where I was like,
it'd be like my wife or someone will go to it who doesn't know
much about the history of just World War two and Japan, and they'll come
out being like, oh, could have done that, And I'm like,
I have so much to explain to you. This is gonna be so fucking
annoying. Yeah, God damn it, Christopher Nolan. Yeah, honestly,
Like, and to spare us that conversation too. We're not gonna be talking
about if it's stopped the war. That's not the important thing here a story,
Um, what about the guy that got bombed twice? That guy's that
I feel for that dude. That could be his own story, you know
what. The weird he should be a side character. You know what.
The weirdest part about that story is though he was in he was from Nagasaki,
but he was in Hiroshima on a business trip. It is nineteen forty
five in Japan. What business is there? The whole country is on fire
and yeah, they have blockaded on fire. What business are you doing?
Which, by the way, the fire bombing killed more than the nukes.
Yeah, yeah it did, and honestly it was probably worse. Yeah,
the nukes just like quick. Yeah for the people that caught killed instantly,
not for the ones that didn't. Yeah, but Homie survived the first nuke,
goes home to his family like the craziest today, Suke, You'll never
believe what happened. Oh shit, And then he lived to be like ninety
three. Yeah no they and they say radiation radiation poison and be damned like,
yeah, I think he got the good radiation, like he got the
Marvel radiation. Yeah. Yeah, he was just turning into a giant green
man at night when he got angry. That's what happened for him. Everyone
else there insights melted. Yeah. Yeah, well and they're outside and yeah,
pretty much, what if it's actually the best thing for you. It's
like smoking SIGs whiskey and then radiation. That's why the government is trying to
get us to live less long. So they tell us smoking is bad and
drinking's bad. But every person that lives to be a one hundred years old,
you see a news story on him glass whiskey or a bottle of whiskey
a day and a two packs of smokes, and they're like, yeah,
I just stood there outside the bunker at White Sands just breathed it in.
You know, you know why that you know why those people really lived that
long though. They're fucking relaxed. They're chill. They're all chill people,
so relax they're not like fucking sports God, dude, you know they're not
those I will young. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're having twenty fifty
two SEC championship game. Just oh no, like Felipe Franks Junior just throws
a pick six, my heart explodes. Yeah, um but yeah no,
so yeah, Oppenheimer's in the news a lot, so obviously there's a lot
of resurgence of content surrounding the father of the atomic bomb, Jay Robert Oppenheimer,
the Manhattan Project, and the historical, ethical, and sociological implications of
the bomb itself. While we will cover the man who birthed the most destructive
weapon in the history of the world and the project that helped create it.
Me being a weird woo woo conspiracy man, I also want to dive into
the metaphysical consequences of the bomb. The consequence is being fun to discuss and
terrifying to actually consider. But of course we'll start with facts first and then
sloppily ham fisted our way into absurdity and loose interpretations of reality. I don't
care facts. Yeah, I don't like your methods here. You want to
just go straight to the whu wo facts. We gotta make fun of Jaopenheimer
first, Okay, yeah, I liked it. Truman thought he was a
little bitch. A lot of people did. A lot of people did.
Man, A lot of people thought he was a weird little kid, a
weird guy. Okay, that's a weird dude. Not as handsome as Cilian
Murphy. No, he's not, he's not. He's not great. He's
all right, Cilian Murphy. Is he handsome? Or is he haunting.
What's the difference to a woman, I ask you, Rob, Yeah,
Like I feel like every woman who wants to fuck. Cillian Murphy has had
like a fantasy about making love to a ghost in a lighthouse. I would
say a ghoul almost. He's no, he's like a ghost. He's like
a he's like a he's like a tragic ghost figure. Yes, but he's
alive on the water. I understand that. Yeah. And he's like he
wanders into the main chambers and he's like, uh, set sail for that
voyage and told my wife I would return. Where is she? It's like
you're from eighteen fifty three. Yeah, pretty much. There's like that hurricane
ghost, the Gray Man. I don't even know what that is. He's
in the Carolinas, but he shows up before every time for a hurricane.
He went to like warn his his fiancee or something of a of an appendent
impending hurricane. And I don't know it was lost in the storm or did
he do it the moment it hit. Short hurricane story, but I'm just
saying that the gray Man shows up. Well, he was bad at planning,
but Oppenheimer not as much. He did the thing. So. Oppenheimer
was born on April twenty second, nineteen o four, in New York City.
His father was an extroverted, wealthy textile importer who immigrated to the United
States in eighteen eighty eight with no money, education, or knowledge of English,
and his mother, Ella, was an accomplished painter who also collected art.
Rocking out in the Oppenheimer house were original works by Picasso and Van Gogh.
Good lord. Yeah, so they weren't like bad stock. What was
this guy's life from the get go? Yeah? He was good stock.
He had some good stock. Yeah, wealthy guy with nothing coming up or
come over with nothing, no English knowledge, just wealthy from textile trade.
And his mom's just like balling in art. So of course he's gonna make
a nuclear when you have that kind of money. Yeah, you want to
be a destroyer of worlds? Yes, you want to come down. His
parents were creators, so he was a destroyer skips a generation. Yeah,
and then his kid was like made the cancer cure or whatever dud. He
would be funny if his kid was a cooked He's just like, you know,
my fucking man right now? Where the comic bomb bro? I hate
nuke Neppo babies, they're the worst. He became a DJ. Actually yeah,
yeah, DJ Forever Sunshine or whatever, Nuclear Sunshine. I could see
Oppenheimer's kid being it wood Stock probably, I can see it. We'll get
into this later, but I could also see Oppenheimer very much. It would
Stock, okay, yeah, but he wasn't incredited. I mean he did
quote Sidhartha, yeah, to talk about he quoted an Eastern religion to actually
quoted a different quote. He thought the other one that everyone's very familiar with
it, that that's from a memoir. Okay, okay, okay, yeah.
Um. It was incredibly gifted from the jump. He completed the third
and fourth grade in one year, and also skiped half of eighth grade by
the age of twelve. Impressive. Those are easy grades. Yeah, I
could. I could fucking breathe through third grade right now. You're smart,
though, you could totally breathe through your third grade. But I don't think
you could skip half of eighth grade right now. Yeah. No, Algebra
would kill me. They do everything different now too. Yeah, you'd have
to do modern math or whatever that shit is. Algebra. That's sounds easier,
No, it's not. You have to do it like the same question,
like thirty times in different ways to show you have a complete grasp of
the numbers. Just you wait, wait for your kids to get the eighth
grade. Yeah, it's gonna be fun, dude. That is the part
i've I've I'm just like not gonna help with their homework. I'll pay a
fucking tutor. There's gotta be broke. I would pay to get out of
that. There. You guys probably experienced this too, But there's a point
in your life in your academic school work, when you're getting into like high
school, where it like I can't ask my parents for help because they're not
gonna know either, Like why would they ever attained this information? No,
it's like, oh, I'm in kem. Yeah, my dad doesn't know
facano. Like I'm not. I'm not being like son, I talk about
Wieners who are a living I breathed farts into a microphone. Yeah, so
yeah, I don't couldn't help. Yeah I could help him write a paper,
Yeah, totally. Absolutely. You can help him with grammar for sure,
chat GPTs for I'm useless, oh man, And that's better than all
of us. Oh yeah. By the age of twelve, though, he
was using the family typewriter to correspond with well known local geologists about rock formations
in Central Park. One of the people he was actually writing with nominated him
from membership in the New York Minor Miniroological Club Sweet and shortly thereafter to deliver
a lecture for its members, totally not knowing Oppenheimer was twelve years old.
They thought they were talking to like a forty year old geologist. Yeah,
these guys in between that he was talking about, how much fucking plussy he
was slamming from speaking of heart rack, how cool he was. Dude,
once you get into hardcore minerals, man, you're just drowning in it.
Guy's a weirdo. Not hard to convince people back then, though, everyone
right, I say, I would bet there is a real like articulation gap
in society, you know what I mean? Yeah, Like educated twelve year
old is still better than most of society. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
especially if it's like, oh, he's talking about like this is nineteen sixteen
sous rocks. Okay, he knows ye, like he used the buzz for
man, Yeah. Um yeah. So he showed up at the club with
his parents, who probably introduced him, and the audience of geologists and rock
collectors burst out laughing when he stepped up to the podium at him, at
him, like they're all gonna laugh. Yeah. He actually was like,
hey, do I have to do this to his dad? And his dad's
like you should do it before he even went they're in the nature of people
and that he does. But you know, he's like, if I could
like all of you on fire at the same time and it was the hottest
fire ever, I would do it. And I'm gonna find a way to
I'll find a way. He was giving a wooden box that they found for
him to stand on, and the audience was pretty shocked when they saw this,
just like little wiry, black haired kid just sitting there like rocks and
stuff, but apparently shy and awkwardly. He just like crushed the geology presentation
and everyone like stood up and gave him like a like a since you round
of applause. Yeah, because at the end of the day, let's remember
this is a room full of rock nerds. Yeah, it doesn't take it's
not a high ball. It's the coolest guy they know. Yeah, it's
like this guy's gonna be even cooler than us when he's a right. It's
like when it's like an arrest of a home when Buster goes to George Michael
to buy weed because George Michael's calls person he knows. Uh well. While
his intelligence was undeniable, he suffered the torment that sensitive smart children often do
from their peers, and he suffered it pretty bad. Got his ass beat.
Uh, he got his z ass painted. Bro they painted him.
Oh yeah, so plain and simple. Roppenheimer was light years ahead of other
kids intellectually. He was physically underdeveloped, so yeah, they weren't really making
fun of him for being smart. It was more everything else about him that
he couldn't possibly change, like the way he sat or walked and carried himself.
You can change all of those things. Yeah, but it's because he
was like he's just like sitting there, like they're just like making fun of
him, and he's like sitting just like this. They're like bang fuhm,
and he's like, I got change, but I sit like yeah, you
absolutely can. He's just got He's just like in a full power bottom position
and he's like I have this sit like this. The kid in high school
that comes every day in the suit, Yes kind of. I mean like
he is like two or three years younger than all of this because a briefcase,
well you don't already doing this, man, But like letting your kids
skip is dumb. Maybe maybe one grade they can handle if it's really like
pointless phim to be there. But if your kids skips ahead like six grades,
they are definitely being held back. In other ways, no one's hanging
out with the kid that's three years younger than Yeah, Like if you're thirteen
and there's a kid that's ten in your class, you're like, fuck that,
I'm not even talking to that kid. Why would you. I'd be
scared too. It's like, oh, I gotta reveal something to you that
you don't know about your kids. Or you're in college, Yeah, let
the fifteen year old tag along? Yeah past yeah. Yeah. They're like
in Revenge of the Nerves where they like, like the genius kid joins the
frat. He's like one of the kids to the frat. They're like getting
fucked up and looking at porno and he's just like they are watching it with
him. Yeah, exactly. It's it's a decision made by adults that is
not beneficial for children because they forget what the age gap is like as children.
It's like when you're thirty three and thirty, it's like, oh,
you're the same person you are that yeah exactly. Yeah, but thirteen and
ten, fifteen and eighteen. Oh yeah, I hung out with fifteen year
old when I was eighteen. Yeah he did, you weirdo. I've just
friends who are sophomores. I mean nineteen and sixteen. Na, that's still
not college and high school aged. Yeah, i'd go more. I think
this is more about This is saying a lot more about you. What are
you talking about, like nineteen sixteen, I'm not hanging I'm not I'm not
hanging out with sixteen year old. Yeah, like fifteen year old be on
the golf team with me. But I wasn't going to parties with them.
No, I wasn't going to the woods to drink with him. You didn't
have soft you weren't you a You didn't go to parties as a sophomore and
be then you didn't. There weren't sophomores also at parties. We kind of
just had parties, but like parties with our grade the grade above us,
but not how big were your grades? Like a thousand kids in each?
Oh see my whole high schools a thousand kids? Uh, I mean was
probably about two thousand total, so like five hundred each. Yeah, I
mean we yeah, like we had all like all. He went to an
all boys school though, right, it's a little different too with that,
I think. Yeah, Like, I mean, I guess there were girls
at your parties. Yeah what do you mean you guess? I I guess
they were never came all too. They're coming closest things a sophomore. Uh,
twinkie ass body anyway, At fourteen years old, while in the summer
camp Kanegg, these traits led to mercilessly taunting by other boys, who called
him cutie all day and everything about him basically made him a target. This
all came to a head when he would be locked naked in an ice house
overnight with his penis and butt painted green. That's horrible, but that's pretty
rough, yeah, right, and called me an avocado like maybe it's green,
and called me cutie. It's not great. I especially it's like the
Texas Rangers thing where they all hazed that player, where they like pinned him
down and jerked him off and like we're calling him gay. Yeah, this
is hazing. I don't that's gazing. Yeah, No, it's this is
kind of gazing. It's it's all weird. Yeah, it's weirder for adults,
for fourteen fourteen year olds Lord of the Flies, come on, yeah,
yeah, I mean this was like I think the Rangers. I mean
it was minor leagues with very young adults. It was like eighteen nineteen,
wasn't it one of the Odors, one of the one it was. It
was roughed Out o'door's brother, whose name was Roughnet o'dor. Yeah, dude,
I just I'm in the locker room post game. Everyone's like, hey,
we're all gonna jerk off. Frank Like, I don't want to jerk
off from laugh at him. I don't want to touch his dick preferably.
But I'm also I'm in on the name of your kids the same name.
Yeah, it's not bad, You're not after you. It's just like your
roughnet all right, now, your rough dad. We all the kids are
the same name, well, the two of them are. They're a roughnead,
the two. Yeah, that's that's just you're gonna be in sports.
I liked that. That also that Latino name. It just sounds like an
Irish brawler. I was gonna say, yeah, Odor, the whole thing
is a man that cannot be punched down. You don't want to lick from
roughnet o'dor, especially if he's been drinking. His father rougher ned. Yeah,
but this kind of proves the point that bullion makes great men. M
Yeah. So he suffered in silence, neither complaining nor asking to leave the
campfully. So he wrote home to Yeah, kind of, he was a
very uh he turned everything inward. He's a big compartmentalizer, even as a
child. So he wrote home to his parents. He thought to himself,
Yeah, it's like I better not say anything, but it's gonna be.
They might paint my dick green, but I am a god now. He
wrote home to his parents that, uh, he was happy he was that
camp because the other boys were teaching him the facts of life not wrong quote
and yeah those facts of life where that people can be intolerably cruel. Were
they more poor though? I don't know, see the richest kid, Ye,
rich kids, he's not just going to a fucking gen pop camp.
Probably if he's rich. Yeah, but how many of these parents of the
other children have van gos is van go as? Has it? Had it
appreciated yet to that point? Yeah, it's a good point. I don't
know, I don't know. But this isn't again, this isn't a gen
pop camp. This is this is probably another rich kie. But rich kids
fun with each other like that all the time, kids or mean skull and
bones. Tie a ribbon around your wiener, make you talk about weird sex
stuff you've done. That's only rich gets run for president against each other.
Yeah, have fun about it. Well. Yeah, This kind of stoic,
suppressive and introverted, introverted disposition would lead to a depression that would play
Goppenheimer the rest of his life. His biographers described a difficult period for Oppenheimer
in Cambridge. Writing to his friend Francis Ferguson, Oppenheimer expressed having a pretty
bad time. The lab work is a terrible bore, he said, And
I am glad or I am so bad at it that it is impossible to
feel that I am learning anything. The lectures are totally vile. So he
wasn't even like a cocky smart dude. He was like everyone so much smarter
than me, Like he just was so depressed all the time. Oh okay,
so he was kind of like but maybe that got him to fucking grind.
You know. Did he have mind dysmorphia? We'll get to that.
Actually, so his poster syndrome, I guess, yeah, kind of like
that whole Dunning Krueger thing where it's like, what's the scale where it's like
if you're if you know something about something, you feel like you know everything.
But the more you learn, the less you feel like. It's almost
as if the smarter he got, the dumber he thought he was. Just
like when you're at the gym, the bigger you get, the smaller you
think you are. For a long time, that's the case. His difficulties
in the laboratory were compounded by his deteriorating emotional state. One day, Oppenheimer
caught himself staring at an empty blackboard with a piece of chalk in his hand,
muttering over and over to himself, the point is, the point is,
the point is? He just kept saying it. It's wanted to like
shake him. See, this is why I think smartphones were good for the
world. Nobody does that anymore. Just Google that quantum. You just don't
go into a fucking weird trance. Yeah, you just look at your phone
instead. Yeah, it's made people dumber but less insane. It's like I
can just look at Instagram or something. I'll get over this. Have you
walked the streets of the city and those people don't have good enough smartphones?
Those are those are cricket phones, man? Yeah, yeah, with them
on a Verizon plan and yeah, walking into his room one day, a
friend caught Robert laying on the floor, groaning and rolling from side to side.
By the end of the fall term, Ferguson concluded that Oppenheimer was experiencing
a first class case of depression. An episode occurred aboard a train that indicated
that Oppenheimer was losing control emotionally. This is a quote from his friend.
He found himself in a third class carriage with a man and a woman who
were making love, and though he tried to read the thermodynamics book he was
reading, he could not concentrate, which is just an insane scenes like I'm
trying to read theoretical physics. Please stop fucking He's just in the same card
as then, Yeah, in the same carriage. Yeah, Okay. When
the man left though didn't leave, Well, no, he did it.
If you stay start while you're in there, you're allowed to stay. That's
true, that's just etiquette. They've invited you to watch. Put the book
down. Yeah. Well, when the man of the couple left, Oppenheimer
then got up and kissed the woman. She did not seem unduly surprised,
meaning the name were into it sick. Yeah, but he was at once
overcome with remorse, fell on his knees, his feet sprawling, and with
many tears, begged her pardon. It seems that Robert could like not really
relate to anyone. Yeah. Wait, how did they find it? Was
this in his memoir? It was something that was told to a friend by
Oppenheimer, and then they it was biography later, Yeah, it was in
the biography. Watched these two strangers. Fuck. Then I tried to kiss
her. She seemed like not that big of a deal. But then he's
like, oh, weird, he couldn't. He freaked out, And you
know, if he stepped up to the plate, then maybe he wouldn't have
had to step up to the plane. That's how Oppenheimer got into the lifestyle.
Well, there's some lifestyle talk for Manhattan Project too, but we'll get
to that in a little bit. Upside down Pineapples. There is a pineapple
drink we'll talk about later. But after another disturbing event involving Ferguson occurred when
Robert took a vacation from his studies and traveled to Paris. His friend noticed
that Oppenheimer was feeling depressed. To help distract him, he told him,
Hey, I'm gonna marry my girlfriend, which I've never been Like, hey,
you're depressed, let me tell you about my good news. Yeah,
okay, I'll get married. That'll cheer yep. Uh yeah. No.
You don't just bang though. You gotta counter bad news with good news.
But normally, like everyone's good news, they're like, hey, the stock
markets up, not hey, I'm getting married and becoming rich. If I
was like bummed, even a little bummed as someone walked up me and I
was like, hey the stock markets up, at least I'm like the fuck
are you talking about? Don's a bad example. Duncan the depressed any chance
you can get his friend was awesome. There is a there's a point to
be made though, that, like you should always mention the stock markets up.
That's really what all that matters. It must not. Then someone's just
gonna be like, what the fuck are you talking about? I know,
yeah, like what who? Who the fuck asked you that? Yeah?
Well, Oppenheiber didn't take that news well. Rather, he he actually jumped
on Ferguson and tried to suffocate him when he heard that he was getting married.
Okay, so that's a violent and weird suppressed like there's something wrong with
you if that's your initial reaction. But I think, yeah, he's just
off, Yeah, he's just fucking. His friend was able to pretty easily
throw him off of him. Oppenheimer weighed less than one hundred and thirty pounds
at the time. The episode cemented his friend's impression that Oppenheimer was a person
with deep psychological issues. While still at Christ's College, Oppenheimer developed a bad
distaste for his tutor, the experimental physicist Patrick Blackett, who was a few
years as senior. He was so consumed by feelings of inadequacy and intense jealousy
that he decided to poison Blackett's apple with chemicals from the laboratory and left it
on Blackett's desk before going on vacation. Fortunately, Blackett didn't eat the apple,
but Cambridge got word of the story and concluded that if he alleged poison
used was lethal, then what Robert had done amounted to attempted murder. Luckily
attempted Yeah, for sure. Luckily his father was in Cambridge and successfully like
lobbied the university did not press criminal charges. Instead, Oppenheimer was put on
probation and required to see if psychiatrist in London regularly, which he did the
Fordian psycho. I'm sorry he was like part of the Fordian It's like Kiatry
school of like, you know, pretty much just like I'm gonna sit here
and listen while you've talk at me. Yeah, kind of camp. Maybe
you'll just confess eventually you would say something that I can use again. Yeah,
he basically gave him like, I believe the term for it is dementia.
Pray Cox might be pronouncing that wrong, but it's like the precursor to
what a schizophrenia. Sweet, Yeah, you have early on set voices pretty
much. He pictures like what do you see? It's like it's like,
well Timmy sees, yeah, well, fifty eight year old man in my
head who doesn't have a face. Yeah, cease fire, always fire.
The faceless man sees only fire. Yeah, but yeah. In the psychiatrist
notes, these are a couple of quotes. Uh, he is a hopeless
case whose further analysis would do more harm than good. Basically, don't even
bother, don't lookin, don't open that door, keep the box close.
Yeah. Uh what he was a gifted scientist and theoretical physicist. But yeah,
the guy had some problems. Dude, this is putting. Please listen
to this episode before he puts. Please send this episode to your friends before
you go see Oppenheimer. Yeah, learning a lot. I'm actually learning something
and not just like a yeah Jery Robert Oppenheimer had a weird wiener. Yeah
yeah, I need to see that scene in the movie of him just watching
this couple. Fuck if it's not in the movie that and and like there
needs to be a flashback because you know, Nolan loves loves to jump around
time where you constantly cut back to them, like roller painting his dick green
like a bomb, like a bomb, count gets like a bomb countdown intercut
with like yeah, three, it's a three hour movie. This better make
the cut. How could it not give us like at least twenty seconds of
it, and it's yeah, it's degreedious to leave that on the cutter floor.
That's like the classic meme where it's the person pushing over the tiny little
domino and there's big ones like paint nerds, Dick Green. Thousands of people
die in nuclear fire in Rosia on one hundreds of thousands of Japanese people belt.
Yeah, but yeah, how did this tormented and brilliant little weirdo become
the father of the bomb? Well, it all starts. In nineteen thirty
eight, physicists Autohn and Fritz Stratzman found that when a neutron with enough energy
strikes a fizzle atom, the atom splinters into pieces, releasing lots of energy
in a bunch more neutrons. The energy from a single split atom won't cause
an explosion, though, but if someone could figure out how to get lots
of these little atoms really close together and then split one, the resulting energy
release would be able to find and split more atoms. This would cause the
chain reaction that would quickly cascade into what we now know as nuclear explosion.
Once this information was published, it essentially let the scientific community in there for
the world. No, you could weaponize nuclear reactions. So it'd be like
if someone published tomorrow like, so we use a large hadron collider and we
found out we can't do it. But we found out that if you figure
out how to do X, Y, and Z, either just open a
black hole under a city yep, and make that city go goodbye and it's
self contained. Yeah, it won't end of the Earth. Maybe. Yeah.
Actually they didn't know that at that time. At this time, like
when they were first doing before trend I just keep eating Adams. They thought
the first nuclear bomb could just ignite the atmosphere and melt everyone. Not everyone
thought that. Not enough people thought that for them to not do it,
But a couple were like, you know, that isn't the trailer. Abenheim
was like, let's go one percent chance is it? What do you want?
It's theoretical. Matt Damon's like like zero. Yeah, well you know
that Damon's pretty OVERACTI in the trailer. Yeah. Leslie Grove is the guy
who he plays. He's the major general in charge of the Manhattan Project.
Yeah. One. Matt Damon's a bad casting for him. That is a
penguin man like he is just a round, big, sturdy guy. He's
like a bumble butt. Matt Damon's too handsome. Yeah, we need Jesse
Plemmons. Jesse Plemmons might be good. He's just a rounder, Matt Damon.
I think you need Walter math El's ghost for this guy. No,
Mathel played Einstein and it would distract you, said penguin type, right,
he's he's a rotund man. Yeah, No, he wasn't small though,
he wasn't like tying. That's fair. Yeah, anyway, just shoot from
down low for Danny Devita pointing straight up. Yeah. So basically, though,
once the report's got out, cats out of the bag and everyone knows
this is in nineteen thirty eight, this shit could get going real quick,
right, and the Germans, I assume we're already grabbing land. Well,
yeah, the timing couldn't have been worse for such deadly possibility. While many
European physicists fled the Naziers, some German scientists had given Hitler a headstart on
a potential bomb, and this freaked out all the world. Basically knowing that
Hitler, yeah seems so, it seems valid. I'm gonna interject here with
what I've actually written down, because I know a little bit more, but
I couldn't fit it all in here anyway. Knowing that Hitler had a head
start, the US government realized the urgency of producing a nuclear weapon to counteract
it. The army began what would be called the Manhattan Project, building factories
to produce raw materials in recruiting the country's most brilliant physicists to move to a
planned laboratory in Las Almos, New Mexico. Major General Leslie Groves, in
charge of choosing the scientific team, handpicked Oppenheimer to lead the lab in October
nineteen forty two. So a couple things here. You were talking about this
the other day. We had some sort of like what was it, jet
fighter crisis in the bomber gap, the bomber gap. Yeah, that's it.
So we basically just had this weird assumption that everyone was light years ahead
of us. They're just the Soviets, are just sure, the Soviets our
enemies, right, We're so ahead of us, and we just kept cranking
out fighters. Yeah, and we ended up just way over pacing it.
Yeah, kind of happened here. So I believe it's Heisenberg is in charge
of the nuclear program in Germany at the time, and he knows how to
do it. But it's really fun. They can't like physically do it.
They need what's called heavy water in order to deal with their reactors. And
I will not get into the science of this, but there's like one company
in Norway that makes that shit that they can get access to, and that
company like smuggles the heavy water out of the country, so the Nazis can't
get it. Good call, Yeah, is that the entire reason they invaded
Norway? It's one of them. Yeah, it's a huge reason because they
wanted that ship for the atomic that's wild. But yeah, so Germany was
really hamstrong by the resources they had availed to make from what I'm from what
I understand, they were never that close. They if they have the resources,
they could have done it. They knew how to do it. It's
just like they it would have been really hard, especially with the amount of
fronts they had going on. Like it's everything spread thin, right, and
there's I'm really glossing over a lot there, But that's a million other story.
Talk about mob And then when did Einstein leave. I don't know exactly
what Germany. Yeah, like thirty three something like that. Okay, yeah,
I remember. There's another story two of like a bunch of kids had
to tell people looking for Einstein where to find him in like Long Island.
Like these people are like, we have to find Albert Einstein, and like
they go to Long Island and there's no like internet, like well not even
a good phone book. Yeah, so they had to like walk to some
kids and be like, hey, do you know this like kind of weird
sounding dude, it's crazy scientists. There's like a couple kids that were playing
baseball. They hit the ball over his fence and how to go retrieve it
and he's probably nice dude, but yeah, they were like, oh,
yeah, that weirdo. He's over there right there. That's how they found
him. Two little like latchkey kids. Sweet. It's pretty weird. But
yeah. At the time, Oppenheimer, when he was chosen for this,
was a US are at the University of California, Berkeley. Though a brilliant
theorist and widely respected scientists, some question whether he could even manage the scope
and personnel of the project. This included about twenty current or future Nobel Prize
winners, so you know, you know, roomful and normal people. You're
not thinking twice about them. They're probably not these like fucking megaliths of their
industry and stuff. To you. Prize winners are they kind of running off
the coattails of these projects. They're not writing off the coattails. They're developing
the theorems that allow them to exist. Right, But they won all their
awards after the fact. Well, yeah, you can't win an award before
you do. But each person individually, when they're coasting on being in the
Manhattan Project, yeah, oh yeah, I mean like that's where Yeah,
that's where all the theories come from. You know, what's something else where
people do that. It's like you get a big contract in sports just because
you were on some dope team and then you have to go lead the other
team instead of being a role player on it and kind of not worth that
money. Yeah, well that's on the people signing it. Yeah, it's
on Nobel. Yeah. But uh, he just didn't seem like the type
to head a major military project due to his depression. Um, he often
works so hard that he forgot to eat, making him incredibly frail, an
appearance like even thinner than before. He's pretty emaciated looking still in where he's
perfect then, yeah, kind of a ghost man. He's just not that
handsome. He walked around with like a gate and like had his head cock
to the side and stuff. He looked like a dying person constantly, the
exact person i'd expect to invent the internal bob. Yeah. He also had
a chronic cough. He smoked four packs of cigarettes a day. It sounds
normal for the time. Does is four normal? Kind of four? He
doesn't eat? Yeah, you gotta do something. Yeah, I feel like
two is normal. Four is like he smokes a lot, but not like,
oh yeah, like, oh, four packs a day. Did anyone
have a sense of smell like you got you were used to it? I
assume imagine, well, yeah, imagine food started tasting way better to people
too when they stopped. Yeah, I assume. But I mean, like,
dude, you could be in clud mean, everyone was smoking, like
in the lecture hall and shit like that was like up until like the eighties.
Actually, you know, there was probably so much smoking that no one
noticed the smell of it in rooms and shit because there was just constantly cigarette
You only notice the smell of cigarettes being smoked in a place when there isn't
smoking happening anymore. I miss it. I miss being a child going to
a bowling alley and just smelling some Just in Haley, we have we've stopt
Talke to this where there's a rule where there should be a rule if there's
any bowling lanes or like more than two pool tables in a bar smoke here.
I think if you serve alcohol, cigarettes should be welcomed. Yeah,
yeah, to degree, you know that. For that reason, that's why
I smoke whenever I visit the built More State looking at bowling lane right there.
Yeah, it's right fucking ripping heaters in here. Also, at this
point, now that people are used to they're not being smoking, it seems
like that's sort of almost like a free market situation, right, Like if
you don't want to go to the smoking bar, you won't go to the
smoking bar. Yeah. I feel like you should just be able to pay
a special permit where it's like we're gonna have smoking here. Yeah, you
can't stokers. Yeah, I think that's fine. And I you know,
for certain bars you can't, like cigar bars and stuff like that. But
I don't think you can serve food. I think food is the obesity has
become a problem in this country. I think we counter it by giving the
children cigarettes. The children yearned for the six they do. They yearned for
the mines. If I mean they book both calls cause heart disease. But
a thinner person is presumably still help. They'll survive longer than the kid with
diabetes. To be fair, you know this might sound crazy. I've said
this before. What's worse for you? Bagfull, big max, just a
little cocaine. Smokers always lived to be like seventy five. They die horrifically,
but they live to be seventy five. That's all genetic. Don't let
readers die. Just full human. But the military labeled him permanently physically incapacitated
because of his condition, so he had to sign a waiver to take up
his post. The military was also concerned about his left wing activism. He
was close with several Communist Party members. The Soviet Union was America's ally at
the time, but the FBI considered communists at home to be dangerous subversives.
But Groves went to bat for him and was like, no, he's the
guy we need him, and that's pretty insane, Like a major general is
like this weird looking, strange sex watching friend, choking guy. He's gonna
do it. He's gonna build this bomb for us. It's a little weird
for the I mean, like, what would you even call him in nineteen
forty two except a queer not gay and like just this this queer skinny four
pack a day, doesn't eat man, It's like you don't want a meeting.
You don't want a meeting, you want him theorizing. Yeah yeah,
but uh you know, I eating's for communists. Well the communist thing to
you, Like, let's talk about it, Like is he just taking any
friend he could get? Really? Probably that, like that's a one big
thing. Like also, it wasn't like we need a Soviet communist system.
It's like more like people talking about ideas and smoking pot. I Also,
he doesn't strike me from what you said so far as the type of guy
that had as like a political worldview. No, he really didn't at all
until the late thirties once the Nazis started getting the power and he's like,
oh that's not good. Like he's like, I'm gonna start with politics.
Went as far as like that. Hitler guy, kind of a piece.
I don't like him. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, man if Oppenheimer's
calling you bad, funny weird, you're real weird. Yeah, we'll get
into how weird Hitler was one day. We've rushed on it a couple of
times. Yeah, yeah, everybody does. Everybody though Hitler weird dick and
was addicted to math. Blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, sorry,
sorry, I'm duncan on your boy, your man crush. Yeah, he's
got ugly knees, dude, Hitler. Yeah, he doesn't matter. None
of that matters. It's funny that people like he had a weird dick and
you really yeah, actually, he really doesn't need it, doesn't It's like
he's also a genocidal maniac. You can just dunk on that. He could
be. He could be a perfect specimen of a human being. All I'm
saying, all you gotta do with the Hitler time machine question is you go
back in time, take the spot out of the art. Teacher will be
like a plus bro, you forever crush that painting. No deaths, no
death's needed. Yeah, but then I'm not born. Yeah, a lot
of what's done is done. Yeah, who cares. We got him.
Yeah, you leave baby Hitler alone, let him do his thing. Yeah.
Uh. The tiny town of Los Alamos, New Mexico, was chosen
as the location for the development of the bomb. It was near Oppenheimer's summer
ranch, so we got to be close to home, and it was remote
enough for the army to keep its activity secret as best they could. Uh,
not far from Santa Fe. And actually it's funny is I've been there
around Los Alamos, and um, it's still a big government situation there and
like military wise, I believe or whatever, R and D and a lot
of them. A lot of those scientists retire. After they retire, they
stick around because that area is a really good wine and distillery area. It's
the spent uranium and they so they open up fucking wineries and ship it and
distilleries and shit. Yeah, it's like the one where you know you're swiveling
the glass around they put a UV up to it just blows. Like.
There's a bunch of chemists out there that just are like retire early because they
get paid pretty well and then make booze. It's a good wine country.
Actually, there's a lot of good wine countries. White Sands is just where
they set everything off, right. Yeah, that's a good place to go,
I guess. Look, New Mexico is a fine state to nuke.
I agree. And it's also where we kind of like in the mountains,
don't we just kind of store all their radioactive waste. Probably there in Nevada,
I would imagine in the west, out in the middle of nothing.
That's fine, don't know, don't care, Yeah, just keep it.
I mean, look, I'm sure there will be a suburb there in seventy
years, but it's not my problem. A bunch of three eyed, blinky
kids. Yeah, well yeah, they turned this place in the middle of
nowhere into a massive laboratory with housing for families and dormitories for single guys,
say, bachelor dorms, kind of like a little site like physicist frat.
Nice. No women though, No, there were women there, No,
but no women. I don't think. I don't think they gave as because
it would be considered a women That was not a federal law. That's just
that was that thing. That's what you're referring to. Is it is a
Texas situation? Sound Texas? It was the thing Florida too, Okay,
there. It depends. I think it's most states. Uh So, like
any sorority house in America is consider a broth. You get Look, you
get ten women together, and then they're all horse legally clip it legally yeah
clip it Yeah, well leg I'm no lawyer, but they're getting the robs,
super clicks women or horse yeah. Uh way, what was I gonna
say about that, Oh dude, about either prostos all over the place.
Actually, my uh grandma and grandpa when uh no, I wish that'd be
awesome. There was a prostitute for then during during World War Two, during
this exact same time period, probably the same year or even Um, he
had to go up to Idaho. That was where he was stationed first,
like train and shit like that, and um my grandma like lived in a
house right next to the base or whatever they both did. He was an
officer, and um, yeah, the next door neighbors prostos, like literally
straight up prostitutes. My grandma was like, they were great neighbors. I
went and borrowed sugar from the months. They were very nice. They had
money. They were like, oh, you're George's wife. Yikes. I
think your grandma was a madame, I'd be dope. That would be kind
of cool. I would. I wish that would be amazing. I hope
please, Grandma head horror charge. Yeah h w C. Yeah uh.
This place, though, was essentially a balls to the wall no work life
balance playground for scientists. The six day work week usually ended with a pretty
large party where Oppenheimer made incredibly strong martinis, But in the bachelor dorms he
had a different drink made. He made he would hijack basically pure laboratory alcohol
ethanol and mix it with pineapple juice, and they'd serve it over dry eyes.
Fuck. Yes, I don't know how you drink that and don't die.
I guess everyone's drinking so much that it doesn't matter. This man puts
fucking eighty cigarettes in his body a day. He's just he's good. He
is immune. He's putting so much stuff in his body that his body is
just like nah. He's doing lines of uranium. He's also getting vitamin C
with that pineapple juice. Yeah, that's the key. That balance is important.
The vitamin C U it no scurvy. So reading about that cocktail made
me read about it popped up Mike malloy in my head for some reason,
is him drinking the what was it like the wood wood alcohol wood alcohol?
So I was meant to kill him. So turns out if you mix,
if you drink any freeze, which I think they were having him do or
whatever the equivalent was at the time, and then serve someone would alcohol it
actually the chemical reaction that it neutralizes itself. They unpoisoned him. Uh dhried
alcohol is like a way to help someone. Do we try it? No,
it is a miserable process. Seems like a Patreon Well boss is some
memes he did do the he did win the breathalyzer contest a couple of years
did Yeah, we'll have boost to it. We also tried to have him
drink like a forty eight ounce of Kingdom Kane sauce. I looked it up.
He would have died and HR stopped that if I told him. I
told Boosh I would give him my whole paycheck because it was Friday lunch.
And I was like, Boosh, if you because for whatever reason, we
ordered raising canes and we wanted they want we want to have cane sauce for
the whole office, and this fucking raising canes just filled a forty eight ounce
with like the extra large soda with cane sauce, and we were all like
what the fuck man? And so I just was standing there and I was
like, boosh, if you can chug that whole thing without throwing up or
spilling any of it or whatever, like other than like a little dribble,
Like I'll give you my whole pay. We just got paid to day.
Well, you can get poisoned by sodium. Yeah, kids have died hazing
them. You you die, your kidney's like shut off. Yeah. Yeah.
The Manhattan Project had been sold to the scientists as the US is only
optioned for defeating a nuclear armed Nazi Germany, but by nineteen forty four it
was clear Germany had no bomb and the Allies would beat them without the deployment
The man didn't have an h bomb. Uh yeah, the Allies might be
able to beat them without the deployment of atomic weapons. But the scientists are
like, please don't do this. Please. They sent once they figured they
cracked the code on the nuclear bomb and figured out they could make it,
they're like, hey, here's a petition from all of us, don't use
this on Japan. Or Germany or anybody. Don't use it, don't fucking
drop it. But they were really like, and if you do, show
your hand, that's what they wanted. They wanted a warning shot. They
basically they were like, hey, you need to say we are going to
drop this on you. It is a nightmare. Surrender or be warned.
Yeah, and you know they were like, nah, nah, well it
was supposed to that petition was supposed to go to Truman. I think the
incoming uh I want to say it was like Secretary of the Interior or something
like that. It was just like, nah, I'm not giving it to
him. D Yeah, It's like I don't about a letter than nerds.
Fuck that. Yeah, Truman didn't even go to college, right, Truman
is the last US president to not aten college, so he's not going to
respect them. He also a funny story about Truman is um, I forget
who. We was saying this to some White House staff or something. He
was like, me and the missus like to drink a whiskey, soa,
so make us a whiskey soura. And they made whiskey sour, which like
a normal whiskey sour. And Truman was like this is terrible. It's weak,
the weak whiskey sowa, send it back. They don't drink this something
so weak. And so they brought him out another one. It was like
a double it's like this this week, it's terrible. And finally they're like,
I don't I think he knows what a whiskey sour is. So they
just gave a big cup of whiskey and he was like, that's the spot,
that's the trick. That'll do it. So anytime you'd order a whiskey
sour, they just bring him a big gulp of whiskey. Yeah, it's
like hit. If Truman went to Bronch, he asked for mimosa, it
was all champagne. It's like, probably knives will probably fucking therop. Well
yeah, so uh you know. After that, on July sixteenth, nineteen
forty five, the military successfully detonated an atomic bomb in the New Mexico Desert.
This would be the first deployment of a nuclear bomb or weapon in history.
The Trinity Test further convinced its witnesses of their innovations apocalyptic power. Oppenheimer
was reminded of the Hindu verse. He wrote this later, he did not
say this. Now I am become Death the Destroyer of worlds. So emo.
Yeah. A few weeks later, bombs would be dropped on Hiroshima Nagasaki,
the only two bombs used on people in history. Unfortunately, Oppenheimer later
faced a lot of scandal about his affiliations with communists, party organizations and communists,
like discussions like when McCarthy gets in office. Yeah, in the fifties,
basically everything had been recorded for the most part, but apparently someone had
found out. Someone had come to Oppenheimer at one point and they're like,
hey, you know, you can make a fuck ton of money selling your
secrets to the Soviets and he's like, no, we absolutely are not doing
that. It's treason. Don't ask me that. Yeah. And and because
he didn't report that and it was recorded somewhere, they were like, well,
that's shady that you didn't report it. Right, It was his friend
though, right, Okay. There Actually, amidst all the secrecy of the
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Like when you talk about were still we had assets everywhere. Yeah, it's
just a part of the espionage. We also had our own assets over there.
Oh good lord, we were just learning how to butt fuck each other
in the whole espionage space from each other. The funny, the funniest part
about the Russia Ukraine wars. It's the one thing it's like really demonstrated they
think is like that the CIA is still really good at doing Cold War stuff,
Like they're not necessary. There's a lot of stuff the CIA is not
great at. But man, it's like they have someone in every Russian office.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it's counter too, probably not as
severe, but I you don't know, I don't know, yeh. We
definitely have somebody in the Kremlin. I imagine somebodies I would I would assume,
but who knows. No one knows that's the thing. It's all fucking
g men, dude, Like, I don't know anyone that speculum it was
what they were there. It's it's not surprising that they're good at the one
thing they were specifically built to do. Yeah, just spy on Russians,
basically, right, everything else they had to adapt and learn on the way.
But they were built to spy on Russians, and if they aren't,
it's kind of an indictment of the organization. Yeah, pretty much. I
mean like, yeah, you want to get that info. It's like literally,
that's all you're here to do, right, Yeah, it spy on
Russians and we start civil wars in Central America. See that wasn't our initial
that wasn't their initial purviews. So they're not great at that. They're good
starting them, they're pretty good at Yeah, it's the chain reaction that we
have a hard time with. Imagine that you topple government, you know.
Yeah, but uh yeah, So he got a lot of ridicule for being
a communist sympathizer. He'd later go on to beg people for nuclear weapon proliferation
or anti proliferation, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, he stopped doing
this I wanted to stop making them. And yeah, I mean, but
it's like, dude, you already kind of let the cat out of the
back. The thing about scientists at the time, and a lot of them
was like we do who the science, government does the planning. We're separate
fields. Everyone stayed in their lane, so respect Also speaking of secrecy too,
though, I mean, people kind of knew what was going on at
List almost to a degree. They're like, what the fuck are they building
out here? And everyone had the same PO box address, the secret PO
box address, to the point that people that were conceived and born on that
base add the same PO box address every there's a ton of people from the
same PO box address. Yeah, but uh yeah. So that's basically kind
of the history of Oppenheimer and a very condensed version of the Manhattan Project.
Kind of want to talk about the implications though. Two So, while nuclear
non proliferation and weapons and a weapons test ban and the wow, so I
guess well, there has been nuclear non proliferation talks and a weapons test ban
from the UN. The bombs we dropped in Hiroshiba and Nagasaki are fucking nothing
compared to what is available. Oh yeah, yeah, the stuff today is
in it's fucking insane. Yeah, like the Yeah, those things are fucking
toys compared to what we can do now. Yeah, well, after we
did the the Fat Man Little Boy h bombs, Albenheimer's very staunchly against the
development of the bigger bombs, the hydrogen bombs, right, and he it's
like, dude, you did the thing. You open the box. Man,
You're not this was this was the NonStop chain reaction. Yeah, pretty
much. Wasn't that it was gonna eat all the air or whatever. It's
that you're just gonna keep. For reference, the bombs in Hiroshima Nagasaki had
a destructive radius of about one to one and a half miles. Bombs in
existence today can reach up to forty just vaporized forty miles. I don't know
if it's totally vaporization, but man, dude, I did so much deep
diving on the ship in nuclear bomb can do like a lot of it.
Actually, one of the most dangerous things. If you're not like just instantly
liquefied or vaporized or whatever is, buildings just can't. You'll you'll die from
being crushed in a building. Yeah, Yeah, it's like it doesn't.
The blast is so intense and the air displacement is so massive that like moves,
it pushes air like around corners and shit, and like you can just
get sucked through a fucking hole in your house. Dude. It's nuts.
Like it can make people's brains explode out of their temples. It can make
their eyes melt like just because of the pressure displacement, right right, It's
it's wild. I don't have enough time to talk about what's the best defense,
Like a giant an underground bucker, a bunker, or like a like
a fully concrete Oh man, Yeah, you would need like a concrete,
fucking shit brick house that's like able to withstand three times as much as normal
building is in pressure displacement. Um, it's just not something that's practical to
build. So like now I'll just go back to my bunker. There are
a lot of bunkers underground. Just duck and cover. Yeah, just get
under your desk, Yeah, close your eyes, jock and combat. Yeah.
The fermiica molds itself with the radiation into a little cocoon for the children.
Yeah, but yeah, same thing works in school shootings. Now.
Duck and cover. Yeah, it isn't it like run hide fight. Isn't
that the like run if you can't if you can't hide, and that doesn't
try and kill him. Well, maybe the Cold War school children should have
used the gen Z Millennial school children um tactic, which is, when you
get nuked, just play debt. You know what I mean, As the
nuke is approaching, play dead and you know they'll be like, I already
got this one. Is that a tactic for kids now to pretend to be
Dan? Yeah, they do that a lot, some little girl of all
day. It was just like laid in a puddle of blood, not Jesus's
Welcome to our comedy podcast. This is a comedy podcast, pretty savvy for
like what a second grade or something. Yeah, well let's get into some
wu wu shit. Let's get into it. What about his sex shit?
His sex shit. He was a flanderer, he slept around. He's just
tossing that he didn't have a personality. He was so he's some girls a
little girls like little weirdos. That's true. Look look at the bear.
Right the bear came out, Everyone's like, oh, this tortured, Like
I like the first season in the Bear, but I keep trying to watch
the second season. I keep falling asleep. Oh, you'll get there,
it'll get back to king. Yeah, it's definitely slower peace, but anyway,
that's not important. You're forgetting they were drinking with laboratory grade alcohol.
People are getting laid, dude. Okay, yeah, come on, come
on, everyone's getting No one could say no it was it was nineteen forty
He looks. Then they're just slapping on each other's generals. Yeah, it
turns out no one was actually getting lad. They were just painting each other.
That what if that was just he just lays down and they're like,
what are you do to me, babe? What do you want to want
me to do to you? Baby? And he's just like, you want
me to draw like one of your French girls or no, wu shit,
time you're ready. Yeah. So I was looking at the time frame of
when the first bomb was launched, and that's like July nineteen forty five.
We virtually do not have like larger than like debunking UFO sightings until two years
after that in Roswell almost exactly. Well, there's two other sightings, but
the main like big one after that is Roswell. Nothing really happens after that
first before that first bomb is dropped, we start seeing alien showing up about
two years after, and we have to crash in roswell two years later,
almost to the date. Now, closest star with planets is Proxima Centauri,
and that's about four light years away. If we're suspending disbelief for a minute,
skepticism, if there's aliens that can travel, they probably can get closer
and see a reaction like that before it gets to their home planet. You
can probably detect that shit. So I'm thinking, like, what if the
whole UAP situation was like, what if this thing we made to fucking kill
each other was kind of like a beacon to every other intelligent species that had
higher capabilities. They were just like, whoa, what was that? The
fucking monkeys did that? Yeah, the monkeys, the little still flying with
little spinny things on their on their flying machines that are using the dinosaur juice
to make their cars go around, they did that shoot metal at each other.
And yeah, I think I think it's insane, the like the amount
of UFO stings that happened two years after the atomic bomb, and maybe that's
you know, our understanding of science changes. Yeah, perhaps our own technology.
Perhaps our own technology too, you know, maybe that, but that's
just my little woo WU think. Did we make contact inadvertently outwardly? That
is the premise of Star Trek First Contact kind of Oh is it because he
develops um light speed? I think? And then that is the signal to
the whatever federation. I don't know what it is in Star Trek. That's
also the plot to Self Park the Pine with Derby Yes race, Yeah,
yeah, they make a nuke the talk of the ship's ice cream. No,
no, no, they make a fucking what is it called a pine
with Derby car. Oh when it breaks the yeah, it goes light speed.
Yeah yeah, it goes faster than light And so they're like, oh,
we're here. That is directly from Star Trek First Contact. Yeah of
course, so um yeah. So then they're like, oh they're ready,
Yeah, exactly. Well that's all I got for today, guys. I
just want to do a quick little glaze over how weird of Oppenheimer was.
Did he live to a ripe old age? He looked pretty long, I
think. How was he regarded by the rest of the country. Did he
die a hero I'll tell you, especially after Japan's as you say, did
he die, he did? Openheimer a hero? Probably not? Is heroic
actions of stopping World War two and trying to stop an armstrace makes him a
hero. Um. But you said, like McCarthy tried to drag his name
with the communism. Yeah, he tried to drag everyone though. Yeah,
Hollywood, I don't think he hasn't McCarthy. J Edgar Hoover was doing that
ship too. They were, they were in cahoots. That was the distraction
from him being a drag queen, which is boym af Yeah. How old
was he though? That's another question too, you know, I kind of
I just want to know how long? All right? Sixty two? He
smoked four packs a day. That's pretty good for four packs since he bumped
it up to seven after the bomb. Well that makes sense. Yeah,
but uh yeah, So who's today's Hitler? Hitler? It's Hitler, It's
Hitler. No, um, whoever called him a communist? Yeah, Oppenhammer
didn't split the atom. So those two dudes that did, I guess they
Okay, actually they they wrote the equation or yeah, but they put it
out into the world. Yeah. So that's actually an interesting point. You
make Dan win and they figured that out. A lot of people are like,
throw it out, Yeah, throw it away, published that shit.
No, a lot of people like, don't do it. And I think
one of them is like, I'm not gonna not get credit for this,
right, It's like I did it, Like we discovered that's first a couple
of years ago, and yeah, it's like it's gonna happen. A bunch
of people are studying this shit, and yeah, so cats, the cat
is out of the bag. Though every country had some sort of like maybe
we should make one of these moments, like the Soviets, we're banking,
um, they're trying to make them. The Japanese they thought we're trying to
make them too, And so that kind of pressure of the knowledge being out
there, definitely gotta sucking work. Let's go, let's go, and we're
really good at that. Under the gun. We're great. We're really good
under the gun. I will say that as far as Ingenuity is concerned as
a country. Now he wasn't a part of the project. But why was
Einstein always connected with this man? He wrote a letter warning about the Germans
and Heisenberg. I believe, and he was just I think genuinely generally considered
to be like the smartest guy alive at the time, like Stephen Hawking the
fucking maybe he was like a consultant. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote a
letter to President Roosevelt in thirty nine warning of possible German nuclear weapons research and
proposing that the United States begin its own research into atomic energy. He kind
of gave our country to kick in the ass, like, hey, they
already got Heisenberg's over there doing this shit. And dude, Heisenberg too was
just such a like I don't want all the bad, all the good scientists
leave Germany. It's still Germany. Like he's like someone's got to stick around.
We can't have a brain drain, and so like that's his thing.
He's like, fuck these Nazis, but I gotta do this for Germany.
Right. It's like, oh man, I I almost can kind of see
it in a way because it's like you do have probably this national pride.
Yeah, but it's like, bro, it's gone. It's kind of like
Roberty Lee almost and yeah, yeah, he's like I gotta stick around for
you gotta. You do have to give some credit to Heisenberg. He did
fucking slow walk it. Really, he did as little as possible without being
detected. Nice one seems like getting too He's like, I don't want these
guys having it. Yeah, it seemed pretty wacky. Did he get put
on trial for grimes? I don't survived the war. I don't know.
This is just Jake Google stuff. Yeah, part of the episode, um
Heisenberg. Yeah, let's see here. I don't know if he was like
put on trial or not. What do you do? Though? And he
died in February first, nineteen seventy six, so I do not think he
was put on trial for Yeah, he was just like I guarantee you he
was interrogated quite a bit. Yeah, But also like if you think about
it, like a lot of these people weren't really given a choice. It
was like you can either do this or be thrown in jail following orders.
Jake, Well, I mean sure, yeah, but also like a lot
easier said than done, dude. But also like he's the only one that
really knows how it works, so he can just be like, oh,
yeah it's going, but it's planet's under sixty deg these out, it's Zveka
sloatoms and and you know, all the Nazis are just gonna be like,
oh god damn sixty fuck okay, and then I'm like, oh god damn
it. All right, well the card I guess I don't know, like
that's what they do, you know what I mean? And like you could
just tell them what if you're the head of it, guy, if you're
the head of it. But it sounds like from what Jake said, that's
kind of what he did. Yeah, so yeah, they slow walking in
weird ways where they're just like fuck damn. Yeah. And also they were
really strafford resources too. I mean I don't think, I mean you could
really get there's a reason for example that like even now, like it's fucking
twenty twenty three when those episode is being recorded and there are most countries don't
have nuclear weapons. Yeah, and it's not because they don't know how.
It's they know how. But it's like we know how that ship gets made
too. Yeah, and we're tracking that ship. Yeah, Like it's like
like it is a yeah, we don't allow it though I know we don't
allow it. But there's also a certain amount of there's nine you need there's
nine countries. It's US, Russia, China, India, UK, say,
France, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea, South Korea as
well. No, South Africa should I'll be on that list. I believe
this says twenty twenty three. These are the only nine countries South Africa had
some. I thought I ran died. No, they're trying, They're trying.
Yeah, they don't have them yet though South Africa have nuclear weapons.
Um not according to Google ended it's nuclear weapons program in nineteen eighty nine.
That doesn't even know what happen that they might have had them and then punted
them like we gotta handle a parttie first, yeah, or well, we
don't want these blacks to get these nukes. Fucking a dude, seriously,
right, that was when apartheid was ending, was like eighty nine nine.
They're like, God, don't, don't, don't lay mendelic at the nukes.
Now wait did that that's some interesting timing. Uh, we just figured
out fw clerks of the presence of lear because Nelson gets out of jail.
He's like, God forgives, I don't only God forgives. Yeah, um,
but yeah, so what'd you learn? Um, Abenhaber was definitely weirder
than I thought. Yeah, that is, that's kind of just scratch on
the surface. Team. I mean, he did come off that weird.
He just kind of came off like a nerd. I don't know the fuck
thing. The train car bid four four packs a day, choking his friend
when he told he liked tobacco. He liked to smoke, nothing wrong with
that, He had his vices. He'd liked to watch people get down and
dirty, actually didn't. He didn't like that. He was trying to read
a book on throwmo dynamics and he gave her a little kiss after he was
clearly into it at he was just so fucking horny. He was a full
erection. And think about this, dude, like we could go home right
now and watch people fuck for the next the rest of our lives. Yeah,
right, this is probably the first time he's ever seen two people fuck.
Maybe he's fucked at this point, but he's never seen two other people
fuck. He's a voyor so this is in the car they started easy.
This is crazy for him. This is opening up a new kink for him.
Like now for me, like everything's a sex club with this guy.
Yeah. I mean when I go to Rob's too and he doesn't know him
there, but yeah, same situation. Make a third, we're in the
attic. Make that's where i'd be. Jake's there too. Okay, that's
fine, boost me up. But yeah, guys, thanks so much for
listening. That's our show. Oh well, robb Ler and he was more
of a weirder than he thought. Did I learn anything? Yeah? What'd
you learn throughout your research? Um? Dude, there was like a twenty
three page document of all is weird shit? I just picked out the choice
snugs um because I also wanted to talk about the project in my own wou
bullshit. Yeah, but yeah, man, I'm trying to think of anything
else I learned. Oh something else I learned that was pretty funny. Uh.
I think it was FDR or maybe it was. I think it was
FDR. Hated the term heavy water. It weird. Isn't out It's bad
Brandon. He was like, I don't like it is heavy water. Yeah,
call it the juice. That's what he referred to heavy one. That's
the original juice, the juice. It's like, call it the juice,
sir. I'm a braid to report to you the Nazis, they have the
juice. They have the juice, and there's there is a hole that puts
a whole new mean into OJ's nick name. Now, if someone wants to
do an episode on the plot for the Nazis to get the Norwegian heavy water,
yeah, and the lengths that other governments went to get the heavy water
out, just get the fun out of Norway. It was a it was
a multi ally thing episode. I could do it. Yeah, that's I'll
keep that in the chamber. But that is a fucking crazy one too.
It's just like this is like nine pages worth of content on its own.
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Yeah, go see Barbie two. Obviously, go see barb Yeah, see
Barbie. That's that is the post nuclear winter reality we will live in when
all the bombs go off. The pink saccharin Halcyon nightmare that you will get
post nuclear I think your last second of life when you're being nuked looks like
Barbie. Yeah, like everything just goes. All the DMT in your brain
gets released, and you become Army's just Cindi Lauper and you're a little plastic
boy. M Yeah. Well, as always for Dan Register from Ron Fox,
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