What is up everybody? We are back here on another Saturday edition of Hobby
Hotline. Today's episode is about two fifty six, which is pretty wild.
I remember back in the day. My first episode actually was episode one hundred,
and that was how to Do It Bad I guess over a year ago,
which is pretty wild. So we also have two wonderful co hosts here
with me today. We've got Logan from NASCAR Card and then Mike from junk
Wax Hero Logan, how are we doing today? We're doing okay. We've
had a lot of weird weather here and a lot of issues, and right
now we have no water to drink. It's not even doable, but we're
having a good time. I'm glad to be here getting through it there.
Yeah, and then we'll kick it over to you, Mike, how how
are you doing today? Good? Water's overrated, so I wouldn't worry too
much about it. You'll be fine. I'm excited, excited to be here,
Excited for the national this coming week, Excited for the comments. This
is my favorite part about being on this show is the comments. People will
ask great questions, they make great points. So yeah, excited, absolutely,
Yeah. Shout out to the commenters and the chatters. Very very exciting
and very exciting week coming up for many of us. We've got the national
I know I'm gonna be I'm gonna be there. Luckily, I kind of
made some last minute plans and I'll be heading out to Chicago on Tuesday.
UM on my full time jobs all remote, so I can work from a
hotel on Tuesday and then kind of work throughout the week, which is really
you know, that's that's pretty exciting. Both of you guys are going.
Mike, You're you're going right. Yeah, I'll be there Wednesday. I
anticipate being in the show for at least parts of four days when day,
Thursday, Friday, Saturday awesome. And then Logan, you're gonna be there
as well. Yeah, I'll be there Tuesday, and I'll be there through
Sunday morning. Nice. I can't wait. My son and I are actually
gonna leave like late Monday and then draft halfway and then drive in on Tuesday
morning. Nice. That's always fun making a making a trip out of it.
Also very exciting. We will be on the main stage. Hobby Hotline
will be on the main stage basically the same time. I think it'll be
an hour different, so it'll be like it'll be it'll be noon, so
it'll be noon Eastern, I think I'm pretty sure. But eleven am Central
Time will be on the main stage. Hobby Hotline will be there at the
National on Saturday, so if you if you're at the National and you want
to come check out the show live. I don't know if we'll be doing
any comments, like if people want to shout out their comments that they would
normally leave in the chat. Maybe we'll do a little bit of a little
bit of a Q and eight session. I'mat sure exactly what we have plann
We'll probably just be like a normal show react to some of the news that's
kind of gone on at the National so far. So to kick things off,
we are going to get into some National talk, but we are actually
going to first talk about a couple of things that happened this week. You
know with the National. I'm sure we all probably have seen the news cycle
over the past few years with the National, things leading up to it can
be a little bit slow. But this week actually is going to be the
top Chrome release week, and they came out with a new style refractor they
had like there was a Taco refractor, there was a frozen I think it
was a frozen refractor. These are all coming out of top Chrome, and
I did see an interesting kind of topic that I that I'm interested to hear
your guys opinion on. Is tops Chrome becoming to two watered down in terms
of like tops Chrome being used within tops? Uh? So you know,
I have my own opinion, but I'll let you guys go first. Mike,
kind of what are your thoughts on tops Chrome baseball? Uh? Is
it? You know, is it becoming too watered down? Is you think
people are losing interest? Do you think these talker refractors are kind of just
like a weird thing that they're trying to throw out? Like you, what
are your kind of overall thoughts on the tops Chrome release? So, first
of all, the Taco refractor isn't for me, but that's okay. I
mean there are people who are really excited about it. Same with the frozen
fractor, which when that was announced back in the spring or late winter,
maybe they it was supposed to be negative numbered, so they would be numbered
negative five or something. I still don't get that, and I don't really
care either because I won't be collecting them. But yes, they're definitely watered
down. I think that most sets are that aren't high end, although even
those are probably a little bit watered down compared to how they used to be,
But especially the ones that are retail based, like Chrome Heritage, are
going to be very watered down, and they're trying to appeal to a very
very very broad audience. Yeah, and Logan, you know, what are
your thoughts on Top Chrome? I mean, I don't for I mean,
I know you're a big NASCAR guy. I don't know if they just to
tops doesn't Panini has the NASCAR license, so technically I guess they're aren't any
really any or I don't know. I guess how I guess maybe it doesn't
work with where maybe they do they can Top the Top to make any NASCAR
cards. There's at all painting right now now. The only tox cards that
or tax cards that have ever been made for NASCAR or the etops. That's
while. But you know, just as an outsider looking in on this,
I think it's water down for sure. Um. You know, I guess
maybe if they had a Bucky's refractor or something Bucky's Chrome card, maybe I'd
be cool with that. But yeah, now I'm just I'm not a fan.
I think it's too water damns too much. And it's, like you
said, they're trying to appeal to a much broader spectrum of folks, and
I mean, you can't make everybody happy, so I don't know why they're
even trying to do this. But you know, that's just my opinion.
It used to be a lot more fun to riff wax, and it's just
not as much anymore, especially retail, or particularly retail, you're just getting
mostly based cards. Last year, just a year ago, you can rip
a hanger of Tops Tops Chrome and get some really good stuff, and not
anymore. It's a shame. Yeah, I'm trying to find the tweet exactly.
I wish I had. I thought I had bookmarked it, but I
guess I may not have of how many different how many different tops chrome products
there are, because you've got like Tops Chrome, you got the Tops Chrome
Sapphire, You've got like Tops Chrome, Ben Baller. I mean, I
think that was kind of the whole point of the discussion, was just that
there are so many different types of tops chromes now that and I mean,
especially with this rookie class. I think this actually might be one of the
better, one of the better rookie classes when it comes to a Top Chrome
product like the first Tops Chrome, because then they do Tops Chrome update later
on in the year. But I mean, for the most part, like
you're seeing basically all the rookies from series one in Series two are going to
be in this year's Tops Chrome, And I think the I think the topic
that I have thought about for a while is like how products are structure and
like if they should be using like tops, if they should be using the
Tops Chrome brand more often, which is actually sort of what they're doing,
because like when I was thinking about it back in like a while ago,
it's not necessarily it maybe kind of did come to fruition a little bit,
if I'm gonna be honest, Like I was thinking, like one of the
companies should try and do more stuff the way that they do it with like
Optic and Don Russ, where like the overarching brand has like more of a
has just essentially more products within it. Like so they would do like a
Prism thing and they would do like that would be the overarching brand, and
then underneath that they would do products around that, and I guess in practice
we're kind of seeing them do that with tops Chrome, and I mean,
I guess we'll see if it's good. I mean, I do think that
more tops Chrome product is going to be good because it is you know,
it's always fun to kind of rip tops Chrome. I mean, I think
that's one of the fun products. It's a flagship product. It's one of
the fun products that you know comes out every single year. So, I
mean, Mike, I'll ask you the question, like, is top Chrome
something that you look forward to or is it kind of just something that kind
of just something that sort of falls by the wayside with how many other products
there are coming out every single year. Yeah, I'd love tops Chrome.
I won't be I always say this and then I end up doing it,
and I'll say I won't buy any wax, but I know I will.
I don't know. Ziggy here said something about buying a box of chrome at
the National for the silver pack promo. I'm not familiar with that, so,
Ziggy, if you want to share what that is. I think I
prefer buying singles of guys that I collect and I want rome. Refractor Rookies
is my favorite, but I'm also not chasing rainbows. I don't care if
it's number two, five, or ten or fifty or whatever. Just give
me the card of the guy I want, right, Yeah, definitely I
feel that way too. I mean, I'll actually kind of ask you a
similar question that what we just said. They're looking for you, like are
you you know, I know you've taught, You've told us in the chat
and everything about like how you are you collect a lot of the people who
have won the NASCAR Cup, like you collect autographs of them. So does
that kind of is that sort of your plan throughout everything that you're doing in
the hobby? Like do you buy do you buy really any wax? Or
do you are you buying mostly singles or are you buying kind of mostly these
these autographs? What's sort of what's the style that you buy in? I
guess is maybe the sort of the I guess the question that I have for
you, Well, I mean it's a little a little of you know everything,
you know, I like to buy wax, you know, you know
with Nascar, you know Panini does I think they have Donris Prism chronicles and
National Treasures. So there's four issues a year that we get. It's not
like four issues a week for baseball like like you guys seem to get.
It's I don't know if that I could keep up with that, but I
do. I do buy wax. I do like to buy singles. For
example, this year, uh Panini is doing some seventy fifth anniversary NASCAR autographs
and there's five different autographs and you above and there, and the crazy thing
is they're all redemptions right now. So I have bought all these redemption cards
for the autographs, so hopefully I will get them all. But I do.
I do like in lieu of spending you know, one hundred and fifty
two hundred dollars whatever for a box, I like to go out and buy
the cards that I want to get. You know. That way, I
know I'm going to get what I want versus getting something that I probably may
not like or I may not want, right, that makes sense. I
actually I did find the tweet here. I'm gonna actually pull it up with
all of the with all of the so it's from uh those back pages.
So here's the list of basically all the Well, this is from twenty here's
here's the different twenty twenty two versions top to release for for last year's um
for last year's Tops Chrome, which it does seem like there is a lot
of different a lot a lot of different releases with this Tops Chrome. Uh,
with this Tops Chrome product, I don't And I mean, I guess
this is sort of the conversation that I think that I have I've had in
the past where I'm like, is it good that they're using the over the
one brand as sort of the brand or is it just like, should it
just be kind of its own? Should Tops Chrome be a standalone and then
they figure out the naming convention or they come out with a new product.
But I mean, I guess it's I can I think it can be kind
of tough if you're Tops, like, if you are trying to if you're
trying to come out with as many products as you are, how what is
your route to trying to sell them? And maybe this is just it.
Maybe it's using this overarching tops Chrome branding and trying to sell it. And
Mike also, I'll ask you this question, do you think that do you
think that they should be coming out with all these products under the tops Chrome
name, or do you think that they should just try and figure out a
new product and or kind of stick with what. I guess, stick with
what collectors maybe maybe they like it, maybe they don't. I guess it's
really up for debate because it's like it's not like these products, like people
are behind the products. So it's like that's maybe maybe one of the things
I guess is maybe a reason why the why reason why they're doing it.
But at the same time, it's like I do wish there was a little
bit of innovation. You know, is too much? Yeah, okay,
actually i'll kick the logan first. Mike, you're re muted there for a
second, but yeah, Wegan, go ahead. Yeah, I just think
it's too much. I mean, I'm waiting for the poop emoji chrome to
come out. I mean, it's just ridiculous, you know a lot of
it. I mean I get it that they've got all these licenses and things
to pay for, so you know, they've they've got an issue as many
different types and flavors as they can. But I'm just not a fan.
I think it's just too much. And then yeah, sorry, Mike,
you were muted there for a second, so I'll kick it do with that
same question, my fault. Sorry about that. Yeah, I mean,
I think the cosmic chrome. I don't have any cosmic chrome, but I've
seen the designs of them and they're very different. They're very unique. I'm
cool with that because it's it is unique. It's not just taking the same
cards and doing something very very similar. I'm not sure about Sapphire if those
are the same exact photos of the players. But I also understand you've got
branding, and everybody knows chrome, so you know that's that's their branding.
It's really important to them. Yeah, that I mean, I think it
makes it makes a lot of sense. I can I can see why people
might like it. I can see why people don't like it. I mean
that's honestly, like if you've ever listen to me talk about anything, I
think that's basically my stance on basically everything for the most part. Like I
can see it from both both directions of why it's good and why maybe it's
not so good. Uh, shout, like I said, shout out to
everybody in the comments. We got Rex commenting in from uh from New Buffalo.
Very exciting. Got us up on the big screen of the shops.
Shout out to Rex. Really appreciate that at the card Shop one of the
writers I believe in Hobby News Daily as well. So that's you know,
that's always exciting. Um, if you are you know, if you're commenting,
Uh, make sure you let us know where you're watching from. That's
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I know in the past we've had people from different countries, We've had
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Also, make sure to like and subscribe here on YouTube or if you're
on Facebook or I guess Twitter, you could retweet the show. If you
could do that, that would be really great. So we're gonna actually kind
of kick it over to we got we got Ziggi here in Richmond, Virginia.
That's very exciting, March. You're gonna kick it to the second topic
that we've got for the show today, and that's going to be uh,
let me pull up the let me pull up the tweet here again, this
is too zoomed in. Sorry, everybody production and fail here. Let me
why is it not here? We go so PSA. Essentially I'll align it
up for everybody PSA is going to be uh add a stream here. PSA
is going to be partnering with com C. Very you know, exciting to
see. I think com C is one of the best sites to buy and
sell if you're new in the hobby. I mean it's you you aren't really
dealing with the shipping or you know, you're dealing with some fees, but
like you're not dealing with the anxiety if your cards going in the mail,
all that kind of all that kind of stuff. I think when I was
first getting back into cards, con C was really one of the websites that
I used when I was first getting back into it, and not even just
to buy and sell, what to do like research to like learn about which
what cards or what and which rookie cards were, what rookie cars because you
can just type in a player and you can look at basically all the cards
they have on their site. And it's only grown really since I kind of
got back into sports cards back in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, and so it's
only it's really grown how many cards they have, and you know, it's
it's it's actually it's commendable in my opinion that they have been able to kind
of stay the course and not really stray away like the way that we've seen
maybe some other companies try and do this. Uh. So you know,
we'll start off with you, Logan, what are your kind of initial thoughts
here? Is this something that intrigues you? What do you think of this
this merger or not merger? But what do you think of the partnership here?
I think it's a great partnership. The question is is how much is
this service going to cost? I don't know how much it's going to be.
Uh. You know, I already belonged to the Collector's Club, so
I can already get I guess the best pricing you can get from PSA.
But you know there there is a convenience there. I think having your cards
already at Calm See and you don't have to have them sent back to you
then send back out to PSA, because you know I do do that a
lot. You know, there's a lot of cards I'll buy off of Calm
See. I'll get them finally, get them back here to the mothership,
and then I'll pack them back up and send them to PSA. So that's
going to be convenient. But of course I'm sure we're gonna pay for that
convenience. It'll be interesting to see how much this service is going to cost
me. It still may be cheaper for me to bring them home and then
send them back out. I don't know. We'll see, but I like
the idea and I think it's great. I think it's great for the hobby.
Um, you know, the only thing is is you know, you're
buying cards out there that you have never touched or held, so you don't
really know what the real condition is of these cards. That's a good that's
a good point. So you you know, there could be a you know,
a hairline crease you don't know about, or a ding on a corner
that you really can't see, or something. You know. So I don't
know if that's going to keep people from sending him in because they don't know
what the actual real condition of the card is. I mean, I know
that you can zoom in on cards on tom C, but that doesn't always
tell the complete picture, right, I think it's good. Yeah, that's
that's actually a really good point. Before I kick it over to you,
Mike, I want to give some shout outs to people in the comments here.
We got Jim says he's watching from his kitchen in West Virginia. We
got Chris who is in northern California. Mad City Brew in Madison, Wisconsin
a shout out. Then you got the US sports cards love com c as
a buyer, not as much as the seller. We got another person in
California, Chuck R. We got Joe Philly Joe commenting from Philadelphia. Always
fun to see that, and I think those were all the shoutouts. And
then opens we got we got a Salem Winston, Salem, North Carolina.
Let's see if we got any other Carlos from New York City, always exciting,
Thank you appreciate it, Silver Falls from see this is what I was
saying. Hobby Hobby News Daily or sorry, Hobby Hotline. I get those
confused because I do that other I do. The other show is worldwide,
so I really appreciate everybody leaving their comments. We also have a Victor coming
in into the background here, but I will, you know, I'll kick
it over to you, Mike, and then I'll bring Victor on and we'll
see kind of what he's got going on. So, Mike, what are
your what are your initial thoughts here? Yeah, so Logan nailed it.
I would be concerned, especially buying modern and ultramodern cards that the photos and
somebody put a ziggy put a comment about how they provide notes and each card
standing scan is unique, but still having it in your hands is so crucial
when making a decision on grading an ultramodern card now vintage. I'd be okay
with it, and that's mostly what I'm buying anyway. But and then US
sports Cards up above also said, and I think this is right. This
is what I read to twenty four dollars per card, So I don't I
don't know if that's tiered in any way or if it's just twenty four dollars
for any card. I don't know. Sure, Yeah, I guess we'll
see. I mean, you know, I think vaulting in general and my
I think, in my opinion, it's always been something that open other Californian
coming in Ventura exciting. Uh. It's always something that I thought I thought
the hobby was kind of going to And I can again, I can.
I can see both sides of the spectrum here why some people might really like
it, some people might not really like it, Like I think uh,
people who really like getting the cards, and I mean I think there's probably
people who even like buying and selling cards on eBay, like getting the cards,
shipping. It's kind of it's it's it's a business, but it's also
can be fun for people. But I can see how there's also the other
spectrum where you know, I get honestly, I get really nervous, like
I'm checking my like, uh you, I'm checking my USPS trackings every single
hour basically be like where is it now? Like is it gonna get there?
Because you know, you see all these horror stories of like I think,
um Eric from uh Eric from uh white back from Collectible Guru, I
think his name is On Twitter he posted a h he posted like a crazy
card. Uh Like it was a it was a n although PSA eight or
PSA nine. No, it must it was. Maybe it wasn't, but
it was. It was a Ronaldo rookie card that had been sent through the
mail and like it had been like cut on the corner, and I just,
oh, it just gave me the shivers. I was so I couldn't.
I was just like, oh my gosh, I can't even believe.
I can't imagine that happening. Um, so we're gonna bring Victor in here.
Victor, how are you doing? Good morning, gentlemen. Wow,
it's Victor, Yes, sir, Good morning to all the hobbyists stopped there
in the chat. I just wanted to hop on real quick for a minute
to promote our Baseball Card Hall of Fame, the h This is actually the
sixth annual Baseball Card Hall of Fame. The ballot is currently live. There
are forty cards on the ballot. You're allowed to vote for up to ten
cards, and we're asking it you only vote once. Um, but really
excited about this year's ballot. The ballot, the link to the ballot hopefully
you got it there, adam, Um, But it's it's live. It
went live on July fourteenth, and it's going to remain live until August fourth.
When August fourth comes, we will close the ballot and on August sixth,
we will be doing the induction ceremony over on our Sports Card Hall of
Fame Network channel, so you can check out the the the actual results there.
But really excited trying to push this and promote this out to the hobby
getting a lot of momentum it's this thing's been growing up seems like year after
year, and just wanted to make everybody aware of that. Absolutely. I'm
actually gonna put the comment in the chat here or the link. You can
just copy and paste that link or you know, Victor, if you want
to tweet that out, I can promote your tweet as well. If you
want to do that. That might be a little bit easier than if people
want to do that rather than uh, you know, copying and pasting there.
So if you want to like tweet that out, I'll definitely and then
if you drop it, just let us know whenever that's tweeted out, and
then I can definitely promote that as well. I mean, yeah, it's
such a you know, it's it's I think you did this with the with
football as well, so this will be for baseball, correct, that's what
you were saying. It's for baseball, correct, Yeah, So you know
it's it's it's fun I think, to kind of bring to light sort of
historic history basically, and like fun like cards that are uh, cards that
you know, maybe people don't even maybe some people don't even know that these
cards exist potentially, So it's you know, because maybe they're a little bit
older, maybe they're out of the generation, all these kinds of things.
So I mean it's definitely, you know, it's definitely really exciting. Um,
you did this for football and doing it for baseball now, so that's
um yeah, definitely definitely something that hopefully everybody checks out and you know,
picks their cards. There's tons of I actually, I actually you know that
I'm thinking about it. I can just uh yeah, and right, I
mean you're really you're touching on kind of like the entire purpose of all of
this, right, And what we've done is and when I say we,
I'm talking Ray from Philly, UM, Mike, Steve Line, um.
And what we're doing is we basically have taken the principles of or the mission
statement of the Baseball Card of Fame, which is, um, I'm sorry,
the Baseball Hall of Fame, which is preserve history, honor excellence,
and um passing it on to the next generation. And that's kind of what
we're doing with this, except we're taking twisting it with a with a flavor
of the hobby. Right, We're taking the cards that have What we're doing
is we're honoring history. We're looking back at the history of cards, and
we're honoring those cards that have meant something to us, that have impacted the
hobby, right, But at the same time we're we're we're also um honoring
hobby excellence cards that have really stood out the test of time with within the
hearts and minds of collectors, Cards that are really have this artistic design to
it that their images are kind of seered into the hearts and minds of collectors.
And what we're doing is that we're hopefully we're creating this list not created
by some publication, but created by hobbyists uh in an annual vote, so
that the next generation can go back to say ten, twenty thirty years from
now, and they're asking those types of questions what are the most important cards
throughout history, and they'll be able to see that in our in our vote.
Absolutely. Yeah, it's definitely like like like you were saying that,
I think the history behind a lot of these cards for the and actually I
think it's probably a great list to even you know, just check out even
if you're learning, if you're learning about baseball cards, because you know,
from my perspective, anytime there's a chance to learn something new with with some
with whether it's this or whether it's a new piece of content. I'm always
in favor of pushing people to that to learn something new to uh, either
you know, find them maybe there's a card that a player that you never
knew about, or maybe there's a player that you've always heard about and you
never knew that there's a card that exists. And I think that's kind of
another great part about this, this this list that you've put together and kind
of all the voting and stuff like that. Um. Yeah, definitely very
exciting and thanks Adam. And we've also you know, we take the ballot,
uh and we try to represent every era, right, so it's not
like all pre war, it's not all vintage, but it's it's like every
era is represented, so you'll have a broad scope of choices to choose from.
That's why we do forty cards, right exactly. Um. And then
you know, I actually something I do have sort of a question, so
it's sort of wait, is that is this correct? It ended at the
the each eurow Albert Poolholes two thousand and one. Uh, you know,
was there a specific era that you guys were looking at when you were putting
this together? Or was it kind of like just I guess these are sort
of these are as new on them on the on the list here, but
so like, was there like a cutoff date when you were looking at the
cards that you want to include on this list, because like, I mean,
two thousand and one, there there are some probably decent cards that have
come after that, but you know, I think that that two thousand and
one, in my opinion top set is is actually I don't off it's like
underrated or if it's it's very iconic with each row with that each row card.
I mean, that's actually one of the first sets I really remember collecting
if I'm gonna be playing on us when I was like yeah, when I
was like a kid. So for me, that's a really iconic set.
But like, did you guys have a cutoff date? And that's why two
thousand and one was kind of the last year on that list? Not necessarily
we have cards that are you know, we have Mike Trout made it into
I believe the second year or maybe it was the first year that we've done
it, but that we have more modern cards in the Hall of Fame already,
So there really isn't a cutoff date. It's really the voice of the
people. So our kind of processes. We'll take there's forty cards on the
ballot, so ten of them are going to get inducted this year. That
brings thirty cards remaining. We take the bottom five percent cards that are that
didn't really make the cut, those five those five cards are removed from the
ballot as well, so that leaves us now at twenty five. And then
what we do is throughout the year we take recommendations from other hobbyists for next
year's ballot. So on the following ballot, we have fifteen slots that we
need to fill. We need we need fifteen cards to create that year's ballot.
And and that's kind of it's it's the voice of the of the hobby.
Whatever they recommend for us to put on the ballot, we will sit
down and consider, and if it makes the cut, we include it into
the next ballot. Absolutely right, I mean, thank you so much for
coming on, Victor. You are you going to be at the You're gonna
be at the National Are you make that? Goodness? Yeah? Yeah,
he'll be there. That's good here. I absolutely love that. Um yeah,
So anything else that you want to like shout out Victor before we let
you go here. That's it, man, I appreciate you guys. It's
time have fun. Absolutely all right, thank you for coming on, Victor.
You got it this end. Yeah, I'm voting for the eighty four
Fleer Glitton Hoverard card. Nice. I actually have that card in a PSA
ten. So I do like that card. You're you're you're obligated, You're
obligated to vote for that card, basically obligated. Well, I can't wait
to hear the induction speeches from the cards. Yeah, definitely, yeah,
yeah, yeah right, yeah, Well we'll get some like a we'll get
some like AI generated like the speeches like because well, I think there was
like you know, when when AI was very uh not even really necessarily primitive,
it was like I think there was one where they had I saw like
a video of like the um what was it, the Honis Wagner like singing
some like random song. I think it was like yeah, so but and
now they probably somehow they could get actually real Honess Wagner to like talk about
the cards, because that's just how crazy, how crazy AI has gotten,
which I mean, that's a whole another you know, that's a whole other
topic for another day, is how crazy AI has gotten. Um, So
I'm gonna kick it back to actually, uh the p P s a conversation
here, and like I was saying, so with vaulting, I in my
opinion, I always thought that vaulting was was sort of I guess the future.
I mean, that's one way that I honestly thought sort of that the
hobby would move towards. Now hearing people's opinions within the hobby, I can
see how people would be opposed to it because they want the physical card,
They want to be able to hold the card in their hand. They don't
want to vault it at all. But I think the digital trading aspect of
the cards themselves I always thought was a really smart innovation and what at the
time, it's not even necessarily really an innovation like com C has been doing
this for so long, and they kind of, in my opinion, they're
a hobby leader in this area because we've seen companies come and go. I
mean, unfortunately, star Stock just as one example that I can think of
off top of my head that seemed like a company that had a decent amount
of promise with a similar business model of having a vault, and you know,
they had this unit, they had a really great website, they had
all this kind of stuff, and then they sort of veered off the path.
I thought that they maybe they didn't really stick to what they originally built
the site as, and you know, com C has kind of stayed the
path and sort of built built a site that has it works. I mean,
that's I think another thing. And I think I think in their tweet
here they so thirty million cards if I think that's probably the number they have
on their platform. Um. You know, I think I think that there's
a lot of it's similar to I was it Golden. Yeah. I think
like with Golden's vault essentially, UM, I think that there's a lot of
potential for maybe someone to come in and potentially by com C or you know,
work with them on building maybe a different site or something along these lines.
Because like it's it's not necessarily that the site is hard to use.
It's actually pretty much all laid out and I think it's fairly simple to use.
UM. But they haven't really they haven't really updated the site. I
guess it's maybe the one of the things I've noticed about them, but at
the same time, like, I think the site works really well, like
once you get to know it. Uh so you know, Mike, I'll
throw it to you, like what are your you know, what are your
thoughts on like vaulting, I guess in general, like do you do you
like it? Do you not like it? Or you in the half and
half like you are with me, Like who do you think? Well when
you talk about vaults, do you mean like I send a card to the
PSA vault orthing like that. Yeah, pretty much. I mean because like
then then you can have the marketplace where you can buy and sell the card
without actually having the card in your hands basically, So I do that with
cam C. I have a cam C I think they call it a port
or whatever. I have a cam C account and I have I don't know
dozens, if not hundreds of cards there. I'm going to send some more
cards. I think that cam C fits in a niche niche I never know
how to pronounce that word of certain level of value of cards, And they
make it super easy. And I know you're the web design guy, but
they make it super easy to price your cards and to search and filter on
cards that you're looking for. So if I want a Shane McClanahan, I
collect McClanahan Rookie card that's numbered and not graded. It's easy in the filters,
just to click, click, click, click, and boom there are
the nine cards that fit. Right. But you know, sending my don't.
I don't really deal in high level cards very much, so sending cards
to a vault to trade with people wouldn't appeal to me. But it's it's
I think it's a cool addition to the hobby, right, And you know,
Logan, I don't kick it to you as well. I think maybe
you sort of mentioned this before Victor came on. But like is with com
c is, it's something that's in your in your wheelhouse or your reptoire.
When you're buying and selling cards. Are you mainly just buying and selling from
shows or ebays and that way you can get the stuff and have it like
on hand. Well, I mean, first of all, when you look
at cam see there they are pretty much in a way they're they're kind of
like you said, they're a vaulting service, but but it's like an open
vault. It's things that you can see all the time. It's unlike some
of the other vaults where you have your own personal collection and you're vaulting it
and really nobody else can see that unless you trade it or sell it,
or have it brought back from the vault or whatever you're gonna do with it.
Um I do use cam C. I like com see a lot.
I have a lot of cards up there that I have never seen it,
never touched in real life, that need to come home. But I don't.
I'm not. I'm not an investor. I just I'm a buyer.
I don't sell. I mean, you can ask anybody I really want to
sell cards. I just buy cards for my own personal collection. I guess
one day, when I retire in the next three or four years, maybe
I might sell some cards here there. I don't know. But um I
like com see a lot. I like Tim and and all those guys,
they're Andy and everybody. Um Uh, I do I do think that there.
You know, there is a need for a service like com C,
and it's an easy thing to do. I mean, once you have cards
up there, you know I've actually, you know, sent cards a lot
or to other people and things like that. I do. I do like
com C. H I do not. I'm not a big fan of vaults
like Golden or or eBay or any of those vaulting services because again, I'm
a touchy feely guy. I gotta I gotta have the cards in my hand.
I want my cards, you know. And if you're doing that,
it's almost kind of it's not an NFT when you because there is a physical
representation of the card, but it's still kind of almost an NFT because you're
you're only seeing it digitally, You're not seeing it in real life. I'm
just not a fan. I mean, I think I think those tools that
they have, those those vaults for PSA and Golden and eBay, all those
are more, i think, in a way geared towards people who are investing.
You know. Com C is more of an everyday man's platform, right
Yeah. And I think actually I want to highlight one of Ziggie's comments here
about trading on com C, and that's kind of something that I've been thinking
about as well. Like when if a company, whichever company can figure out
like trading, that would I think that's going to be a pretty big innovation
within the hobby, Like because you may even have like you'll have like virtual
trade knights basically, like you'll be able to like I guess this is this
is an sort of brainstorming and kind of thinking things off the cuff here,
But like if you were able to go to you know, a trade Knight
at the National and you had your your cam C or your Golden or whatever
vault, and you know, you had each card maybe has like a QR
code and if you and then actually it's you know what it is. It's
like it's like I'm not sure if you guys have done this or if this
is if this is in your generation. But like Pokemon, you could connect
the game boys with like the and some people in the audience may know what
I'm talking about, but like back in the day with the game Boy advances,
you could play Pokemon and if you had a chord, you could connect
the two game boys and you could trade and you could actually trade Pokemon with
like to your friends. So I think it would be kind of similar.
Obviously there's no I don't know if there's a chord or whatever. If it's
how they would do it, this is where some company needs to think of
how to do it. This is I will be expecting some sort of residual
check from whichever company thinks about this, because this was my this was my
idea, and maybe I should like patent it or something. But you could
get like a QR code that represents your card and somebody on one end could
scan it, and then you could scan their card on the other end,
and then and then it maybe goes to like the third party within the app
or something. I just think that there's a lot of potential within trading.
It's not necessarily I don't do a lot of trading just because I mean,
I don't know. I do more buying and selling, I guess necessarily.
But like whatever company can figure out I guess trading the best. You know,
that's going to be probably a pretty big innovation, hopefully for um hopefully
I mean I guess, well hopefully within within the hobbyist was that's maybe one
of the new I don't know if a company, I guess wouldn't be able
to figure that out or how they would be able to do it. If
any companies have any if they need any ideas, just come to me and
I'll only charge you like about a million about a million a year for my
ideas. It's it's a total I'll fanatics for example, they want to come,
I'll only a million, that's all. It's all masking here, or
just pay off all my student loans, either one one of the two.
Well, you know upper deck epack, you can trade there. That's that's
that's a that's a trading platform that you can trade on. That exactly solely
a trading platform, but you can trade on it, right, definitely.
I want to address us sports cards comment there isn't the National trying to eliminate
trade knights. Card Porn tweeted out or today that they were in touch with
the people who run the National and they deny that that's true. They have
seen the rumors and they say that the rumors are not true. They are
not trying to eliminate trade knights at all. Yeah. I saw that last
night on Twitter. Yes, they are not trying to eliminate that. I
think. I think it's only a good thing. Yeah. I don't see
how you can try to eliminate free trade anyway in any any former fashion.
Yeah, I from what I saw, I think that they were talking about
the hotels in the area, weren't They weren't allowing people to like hang out
in the lobbies in or use like the conference areas, which is where a
lot of the like after hours trade Knights have kind of end up going to.
And I think that's sort of but you know, we'll see him,
I mean realistically, I mean, I'd hate to be like to try and
stop us, but like I'll I'll be interested to see if people still try
and do like the Trade Knights in like the lobbies of the hotels and see
how that goes, because I don't know. I mean that's you know,
if you go to those like it's it's packed. It's like it's basically just
as a homeless just as packed as some of the National, like some of
the show like itself, like the National still spread out. Um, you
know you're not you're not necessarily bumping into people on some of the days.
But uh, you know, I guess, I guess we'll see what happens.
I mean, I think there's like a couple of hotels within the area,
like within kind of that Rosemont Convention Center that you know, we'll we'll
see, we'll see how it goes. I mean, if if I don't
necessarily know, I mean I don't necessarily know. I mean I think there
was that that funny video I think like Rick Flair or something. I don't
know if you guys saw this video from like the Chicago maybe it was maybe
it was last year's National or is the twenty twenty one National Chicago. Like
Rick Flair was like leaving one of the hotel hotels during the trade night.
Everyone was like wooing him as he was going. It was like a super
it was. Actually it was a pretty funny video of the surface. I
think either last National, the National before that. Um, and yeah,
like I said, I mean, speaking of the National will kind of get
into I guess our our our excitement for it. I mean, it's it's
it's one of the best shows in the Chicago I think is the best venue
that they have for the Nationals, so the two other two other Nationals that
I've gone to at ben Chicago, it's my favorite venue. I just walk
in. I remember the first time walking in just looking around and being like
whoa, this is like crazy, this is so awesome. So you know,
Mike, I'll kick I'll kick it to you first, Like what,
um, what are you excited for? Like, I know that's kind of
a broad question, but like, do you have any like what's the number
one thing on your list that you're trying to do? Once you get there,
meeting a bunch of new people is the most exciting part. People don't
really want to hear about that type of thing though, But I am going
to the YouTube get together Thursday night with all the YouTube personalities and people who
aren't necessarily on YouTube but want to hang out with people that they watch.
And then the most exciting thing to me is just walking the floor and scene
cards that are way out of my price range, the rare cards, the
really cool stuff. I love that stuff. I'll be putting out videos with
things like that on my YouTube channel probably a week past the show. Yeah.
Absolutely. And I always tell this story at the twenty twenty one National
I had brought like a bunch of cards I was looking to sell, and
then I was like looking at someone's booth, like preparing myself to be like,
hey, do you want to buy some of this stuff? And then
some kid walked up with like one of those like card cases and he pulled
out like three different Patrick Mahomes Rpas. I'm like, Okay, I think
I'm out of I'm just gonna not try and sell anything like I got like
seller's anxiety because I was just like this this twelve this twelve year old has
Patrick Mahomes RPAS and I'm trying to sell like like a promotional charzard that I
pulled out of one of those random tins. I'm like for like ten Bucks.
It's like it's like they were there in the whole nother week than I
am. So you know, welcome, help take it to you as well,
Like kind of same question, what's what's like the number one thing you
got on your list that you're excited for for the nationale coming up? In
this and this it's this upcoming week. Well, the National has the older
I've gotten to National has become more like Christmas for me as far as it
used to be. When I was a kid, during Christmas, it was
all about the presence. Now it's all about being with my family. It's
just same thing now for the National. I can't wait to see all of
my friends. This will be I think my nineteenth National, So I can't
wait to see you guys, everybody. I've got so many friends. I
will probably spend the majority of my time just hanging out with my friends,
talking, you know, hugging, just just hanging out and having fun.
And that's the thing I'm looking forward to absolutely the most, for sure.
Yeah, I'm I'm basically in the same boat as you, Like, I
don't really honestly do like I like I just said, to my example,
I don't do much buying and selling at the show because it's just like I
can't even compete with these twelve year olds, so I'm not even gonna try
to. So yeah, and I think both actually that was both of your
examples there, Mike and Logan. Was just meeting people and seeing people maybe
for the first time, maybe seeing them for the first time in a while,
like you know, that was one of the things that really I was
so like in twenty twenty one, after the Nashal canceled in twenty twenty that
was one of the things that really was I think that was my favorite part
of the national was just seeing seeing all these people that I had built friendships
with online. And that was even before I did Hobby hot Line, So
like now I've got like a whole another like Hobby hot Line and Hobby News
Daily, I got like a whole another like like crew of like thirty or
forty people that I'm gonna be probably meeting for the first time. Uh So,
that's that's gonna be like super exciting. Uh So, Mike, I'll
ask you this, like, uh from a buying and selling perspective, like,
would you have anything on your list that you're that you're looking to buy?
Like is that something that you're planning on doing while you're there? Yeah.
On the low level, I'm looking for more PSA slabs of Carl Stremski
during his playing years. Um. But on the high level, I'm looking
for like Ted Williams playing years cards nineteen fifties. I'm not into the forties
yet, and i want a low grade Jackie Robinson fifty six tops maybe things
like that. That's like my high end card that I will buy. So
yeah, those are the things that I'm really looking for. The most is
fifties and maybe some sixties yascarts. Nice? Nice, um, And I
mean same same question, do you logan, is there anything that you are
looking to buy while you're there, Like is that something that you got on
your agenda? Yeah? I mean, you know they say that that there's
something there for everybody at the National and that is true because I'm a NASCAR
collector. It's very niche market, but uh, there is going to be
a good bit of Nascar stuff there. And the things I'm going to be
looking for especially are like Dale Earnhart Senior autographs, any kind of other rare
autographs, maybe some Richard Petty things like that, any other rare issues.
Like last year I picked up a couple of McDonald's sets that were autographed that
were NASCAR sets from the early nineties, which included Dale Earnhart Senior. So
those that was a nice pick up. So there's always something. Uh.
The thing that that Val and I like to do is when we hit the
ground on Tuesday afternoon, we're gonna get there, we'll be there, we'll
be in there before the show opens. We're gonna start going down each aisle
and he'll take one side, I'll take the other, and we'll ask everybody
in there do you have any NASCAR cards or you know? And we do
collect some Formula one, but a lot of people, and a lot of
people believe it, not get that confused. When you say do you have
any NASCAR cards? They'll whip out Formula one card. Yeah, and it
happens a lot or they leave them at home, but we will, we
will be able to find a good bit of cards to buy. I've got
some cash, just a little bit of cash. But uh, last year
I had a good National I found a lot of Arnhart senior autos and a
lot of nice cards and sets and plus the other thing I'm looking for.
And I mean, and I don't know if any of you guys out there,
I know that some people out there do follow me on Twitter. I
have what's called the My Sophomoric Slabs Showcase on PSA set Reistory, And what
it basically is is just a showcase of funny cards, like like the the
Glenn Hubbard card. I have that card. So it's all these cards that
are funny, funny names like Dick Pole and Dick Fell and all these all
these things. So I'll be looking for funny cards too, funny you know,
funny looking cards or funny name cards. I'll be doing that. So
yeah, I've got a lot to do between hanging out with my friends looking
for cards. Uh, it's gonna be busy, for sure, but it's
gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, absolutely, And I mean my
Uh, I mean, I guess we'll kind of maybe go around now with
round robin, with a couple of tips, a couple of tricks. I'll
kind of start it off. If you are looking, if you're if you
are like Logan or you're like Valing, you're kind of walking around and you
see a card that you might want to pick up, or you see a
showcase that has a bunch of the cards. Uh. You know, my
suggestion is make sure you're writing down the booth number because there is one hunt
because for the most part, most booths are going to look all very similar,
and you probably will forget which booth had the card that you were looking
for. Um. Also, another maybe tip or a trick is like,
if you are looking for a card that's very common, it might be worth
um, it might be worth waiting until later on in the week to buy
that card, in my opinion, because you probably are going to get dealers
who are willing to give you a deal on a card later on in the
week because most of the dealers they're coming to sell everything. Like there there
probably are some dealers who are buying, but for the most part, you're
all the dealers they they're going there to sell, and they don't want to
bring anything back, Like they don't want to they already they already traveled with
all these cards. They don't really want to bring anything back. So if
there, if you're there on like a late Saturday, or you're there on
Sunday, there's a decent shot that you probably can get some of the cards
a little bit cheaper than you would have maybe if you were there on a
Wednesday or a Thursday. And you know, those are kind of my main
little tips there. Uh, Mike, I'll kick it over to you,
like, do you have any you know, what are what are some of
your tips and tricks you have, like one or two things that you'd like
to share with the audience and kind of maybe someone who's going to the National
for the first time, do you have any tips for them? Well,
this is just my second National. I went last year when it was in
Atlantic City. It's driving distance for me and there was no internet access,
there's no cellular, no nothing. And so I was anticipating the same thing
because I've heard the same thing about Chicago, and I created a spreadsheet of
all the cards that I am targeting and reasonable prices within various grades would I
would look for. I've heard that there might be cellular access there this time.
I'm not sure, but I'm still prepared knowing comps the values that I
would be willing to say for the cards that I'm looking for. Now,
I'm also going to just buy things that I don't know the values for,
And that's part of the joy. I guess. Yeah, don't rely you
like it is weird nowadays to kind of have to rely on like stuff offline.
I suppose you could call it like you should like build your plan out
as if you are planning and don't, you probably won't have as much sell
service as you're expecting. I think that's kind of another good point. At
Chicago, the last time that I was there, it was fine. Like
I was doing a lot of like tiktoks and like videos and like, hey,
I was fine posting them. I wasn't really running into an issue.
Bring UM battery chargers. That's another kind of good thing. I think if
you are UM, you know, if you're going to be planning on recording
content, you're planning on going to be maybe potentially using your phone to like
look up comps, bring like an extra charger if you have it just so
that way you don't have to like leave and come back to charge your phone.
Uh. So you know, Logan, I'll let you go here.
You know, you're obviously a veteran of the national Uh what are you know
if you're if someone's maybe going for the first time, or maybe it's the
first couple of times, what are some tips that you have for people that
are going to be going to this show? Um, my biggest thing is
if you really want a quiet, nice bathroom, go to the bathroom upstairs.
That that that's a big thing. Uh. You know, getting back
to what you were talking about about making lists and things. This was from
last year and if you can see this, this was on my phone.
Is I went through and found boots that those are the things that I saw,
So I knew exactly where to go back and exactly where to go find
these things. Because you're right, this year it's gonna be even bigger.
It's a third size bigger. I think they went from what four hundred thousand
square feet to six hundred thousand square feet. Yeah, I think they opened
up and they opened up a wing that hadn't previously been opened. I think
so, yes, So it's gonna be even bigger. And it's so I
mean, you're gonna have a hard time if you think you know an area
where it's at. Trust me, I've been there, done that. I
thought I knew where something was. Yeah, wrong, though I never saw
it again. So that's why I do make these lists. But you know,
I'll take some of the basic things that I do. I mean,
I take the snacks and food there are are well overpriced. It's just ridiculous.
So I always have a couple of bottles of water with me in my
backpack. I'll have some you know, like granola bars or a Snickers bar
or something to eat with me. It's not that I'm cheap, it's just
that, you know, I can keep drinking water and eating my snacks as
I'm walking. I don't have to go to the snack bars, sit down
and do something. Plus, it is, like I said, it is
very pricey. So that's that's one thing. And of course everybody talks about
the comfortable shoes that you've got to have those. If you don't your feet
you will be dying there because the floors are concrete. The only place that's
really gonna have any soft flooring as of any consequence is gonna be taps.
They're gonna have their really nice cushy carpet. So that's always nice to go
in there. It's like, ah, that feels so good. But it's
it's a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait
to see everybody. Yeah, And you know, I think another kind of
random tip that actually I recently I'm gonna be doing this this year I haven't
done in the past, is I'm gonna be getting those like little liquid IV
like pouches because like, whether you think it or not, like, if
you're gonna be walking around the show all day, you're gonna get the You're
probably gonna get a little bit de hydrated. And to be honest, like
you know, ten thousand steps. I mean I try and do the ten
thousand steps so I have the fit betteror whatever. And I like seeing the
little explosions when I get ten thousand steps every day and it vibrates and I'm
looking at I'm like, all right, nice, ten thousand. There we
go. You're gonna be at twenty thousand for some days there because just you're
walking around, you're, uh, You're you're going to all these You're going
to all the different booths, and I mean, like you said, it's
they expanded the space of this year's show, and I mean even you know,
it's very easy to get lost. Um. I know a couple of
times I've been like walking around and I'm like, Okay, I'll try and
walk from one end to the other because I'm like trying to go from one
booth to like maybe like the stage or something. And this was one of
I think this was maybe the first year that I went. I was like
half paying attention and I was sort of I don't know why I was doing
this. I was like kind of following somebody like because I thought that maybe
they were going in the right direction for some reason. But I was just
using my phone and I kept like taking less and then I look up and
I'm back where I started. It's like it's very it's very easy to get
lost in that in that venue. So, you know, compared to Atlantic
City, Mike, Um, you know, Chicago is actually my favorite venue.
So, uh, what's something that you're what's something that you're looking forward
to? Uh? Maybe I guess compared to last year's National versus this year's
Mike, Well, I've heard that Chicago is tighter, but then they've opened
up fifty percent more floor space according to you guys, so maybe that'll help.
Hopefully that'll help, and they just didn't just pack in a lot more
stuff. I'm excited to see what the floor space looks like. I enjoy
the corporate booths and Ziggy is talking about giveaways. I didn't see any giveaways
last year, but I was only there for one day, and I'm excited
to spend more time actually roaming around the show, which I didn't really have
a whole lot of time too last year. I just went to a bunch
of tables of cards that I was like the eras that I was looking for,
and that was about it. Yeah, you will have like the silver
packs which come with like if you buy either. I think it's like it
depends, like there are different lists of what you need to buy at like
the Tops booth or the Panini Booth to get like one of the exclusive national
packs, which some years they have like national exclusive cards in those packs,
or in some years they just have like random more rare cards in those packs.
Um, but yeah, I mean so the silver packs are always you
know, pretty exciting. I don't know what it'll be this year. I
think I think I bought an optic baseball from brom Banini just so I give
the silver packs. It was like, I'm not even gonna lie. It
was like one of the worst products I've ever opened. It was just like
I didn't like because it's it's you know, it's the last logan there.
Um, probably the internet kicked out for a second, but yeah, it's
uh, those silver packs are definitely fun to fun to see. You know,
you're going to see all the breakers there, maybe join a break if
you want to, and you can see them do the break live. That's
probably going to be pretty exciting. And like I said, you will also
be able to see us Hobby Hobby Hotline on the main stage basically basically same
time that we usually do the show. I think it's an hour. Um,
I think it's an hour. How does it you know, Mike,
how does it work? Is it? Is it it's an hour behind,
so eleven am would be noon or is it? You got it? Okay,
So so it's it's an actually an hour ahead of when we usually you're
doing the show on Saturdays. Um, but that's going to be exciting.
I mean, I'm sure we're after Okay, you're right right, it'll be
like noon Eastern, which eleven Central or whatever. So uh yeah, it's
just basically an hour different. Uh this this next Saturday, that's when we'll
be doing our live show. I'm not totally sure what our plan is.
Like I said, if there's you know, if people in the comments are
there and they want to shout out their comments like uh or or you know,
whatever they whatever they want to do. I'm not sure if we're gonna
be live streaming. I think we should. We should probably be. I
think the National has a stream where they stream the people that are on the
stage. So I'm not one hundred percent sure if we will um, if
we'll be live, or if our or our channel will be live, or
if we'll be live on the National. I mean check honestly, just check
out our social media like at hobby Hotline to see. UM. I'm sure
someone somebody will probably tweet out if we're live or however, you can watch
the show if you're not unfortunately not going to be at the National. UM.
I think, you know, I think we're gonna wrap things up here
actually on today's show, we're getting close to that hour mark, and I
think but since since we've lost the logan there, I don't know where he
went. Um, you know, I I'll kick do you Mike with your
final thoughts? Like? What are what? Um? What do you got
like a give your shout outs to anybody you're looking to give shout outs to?
What are your what are your kind of final thoughts for today's episode?
Oh, I don't know. I mean, Ziggy's got a lot of good
advice here, he says. Whatnot had huge giveaways? Remember last year's two
eighty six flearbox pack giveaways. Um, I'm waiting. They emailed me a
couple of months ago about something that they're going to be doing in there in
their booth. Um. It sounded really interesting and they haven't seen any details
on it. But if I end up getting those, it was so interesting,
I might do a video on that on my channel in the next couple
of years. They did another eighty six Flear in the next couple of days.
I should say, sorry, not the next couple of years. Um.
It just was really unique, which is you know obviously what they're trying
to do. Um, but uh, you know, selling there's it,
says Michael Jordan. Theme is all I can say at this point because that's
really all that I know. Gotcha, Yeah makes sense. Um, And
my final thoughts here for the show is if you are going to be at
the National, like say, you know what my tip is is Actually,
when I went to the twenty twenty one National, I didn't take any pictures,
and I actually regretted not taking pictures with people because, like, I
don't know, I just was I was like nervous or something. I don't
I don't know what it was, but I whenever I said hi to a
bunch of people, but I just I didn't ask for a picture. I
don't know. But if you see people that you know, just get pictures
because in the grand scheme of things, I wish I had asked more people
for to take pictures together. Um. So yeah, just you know,
if you are seeing people that you know that online, or you're seeing people
that you you know, you follow their content, just go up to them
say hi. I would say, for the most part, you're gonna have
a ton of great interactions with people. I mean, we got logan,
see if you can come in, We're gonna add him back in here,
Logan, welcome back. Wow, my internet connection just dropped, I don't
know whatever. Maybe not great timing, but good timing that now you're back
because we're actually we're wrapping things up. We're kind giving our final thoughts here,
so um yeah, just my basically final thought, it's just, you
know, go up to the people that you have seen online or that you
you know you're friends with, and just make sure you say hello to as
many people as you can, because that's kind of the great thing about this.
It's like everybody, everybody within the hobby most for the most part,
is going you know you're gonna have a chance to meet them, just go
say hi, you know, be friendly, all this type of stuff.
So, you know, Logan, will I'll kick to you last year.
Do you have any final thoughts on today's episode going into the national Just final
thoughts in general. All I can say is I'm very excited. This is
literally my favorite coming up. This is my favorite week of the year.
I look forward to this more than anything, more than Christmas, more than
anything because you know, I'm the lifelong hobbyist. I've been collecting since I
was eleven years old, since nineteen seventy one. So you know, it's
it's been a long time and I just thoroughly enjoy it. It's it's what
I love, It's what I live for. So I can't wait to get
there, can't wait to see everybody. I will say one thing. I
remember the very first time that I met Jeremy Lee, Uh, I didn't
know how to realize how tall he was. I don't know if y'all have
ever met Jeremy and real life, yeah, but Jeremy also I'll look up
and go, that's Jeremy, and it was it was something. So seeing
everybody, there's gonna be a lot of people I've never ever seen in real
life, and that's that's gonna be fun. I can't wait. So definitely,
you gotta see me out there. Just stop me and this talk and
just have fun. Absolutely, that's you know. I think that's a that's
a I have to share the same sentiment as you. So I think that's
a great way. We'll wrap up today's episode. I want to thank everybody.
Like I said, make sure you check back. It'll be noon eastern
eleven am Central time at the National Next week we will be Hobby Hotline will
be I guess here. I don't know. I don't know if we'll be
on the YouTube channel, but we'll see. But we'll be at the National
so make sure to check us out there. Thanks, thank you to everybody
for watching. We will see you next week.