1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:12,439 Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's Kiss, your 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,679 source of information and analysis to help you win your fantasy hockey league. Block 3 00:00:16,719 --> 00:00:22,839 off hot a step hit on staylock blocks. Here's your host, Jesse Sovier 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,839 and Victor Nuno Mantasy Hockey Live. I am indeed Jesse Severe joining you, 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,560 well, sort of joining you with Victor Nunio VP ring side. He's not 6 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:37,159 actually here right now, but he is in spirit, and I'll explain in 7 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,759 just a moment. You see, this is the time of year that Victor 8 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:47,600 and I are on different schedules, and so today we've decided to bring you 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,039 a remix, shall we call it, of something that we did last year, 10 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:54,359 and it was all about salary caps. Last year, at about this 11 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:59,600 time, we did a three episode run where we talked about how to play 12 00:00:59,679 --> 00:01:03,319 salary caps and how to set them up and then some strategy and valuations. 13 00:01:03,959 --> 00:01:08,400 And what we decided to do this year is to put those out again in 14 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,879 this time when we are not going to be recording. We're really gearing up 15 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,000 right now to do all the team previews which we will start releasing in May. 16 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,959 And so what I've done is I've gone back and I have. I've 17 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:26,920 edited them down and done some new things with them, and I'm going to 18 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,959 have a little coda to add on. So it's a little bit different from 19 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,879 the way it was presented last year. But it'll be in two episodes this 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,280 week and next week. 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Nonetheless, I think you will enjoy this 30 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:36,280 upcoming discussion on salary. Pap Athlete is about the level redraft. It's easy. 31 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,400 You are doing things on one dimension two dimensions. It is predicting production 32 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:46,000 for the upcoming year acquiring those players. You're done, You're good. We 33 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,280 are a Dynasty podcast. But whether you're in Keeper, which is junior Fantasy 34 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:55,400 or Dynasty, you are trying to predict production for players. You're predicting age 35 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,840 and how they are going to age, the trajectory of their career. In 36 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,800 addition to the age, their potential for a context change. Will this guy 37 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:07,759 get traded in the future. You're trying to basically have to think about how 38 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,560 your player is in the present and in the future. Maybe if you're in 39 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,479 a keeper, you're valuing slightly how their value is going to be with respect 40 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,120 to the rest of the league. But salary Dynasty to me is level three. 41 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,800 You're doing all those things, the production, the age, the trajectory, 42 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,360 the potential for context change with their longevity, their value, and the 43 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,599 manageability of a contract. All right, you need to think about not only 44 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:37,719 are they good, but are they good for what you're going to acquire them 45 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:42,159 for the assets you have to put for them in a league, because you 46 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:46,639 are always going to have to allocate an asset for every player that you have, 47 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:51,680 and your assets in a cap league are limited. They're not just added 48 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,000 dimensions. They interact with one another. So as we get started with it, 49 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:59,479 if you're not familiar with KAP leagues, I hope we will sell you. 50 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,000 But Victor is going to talk about some of the basic terms to do 51 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:09,639 unless you have something else to say about why cap leagues are especially worth doing. 52 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,439 Victor, Yeah, I mentioned most of it in the intro, and 53 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,319 it's next level, as you said. Anyone who if you've been playing Fantasy 54 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:21,279 for a while, maybe this isn't my twenty team close to real salary cap 55 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:26,399 a lot of the similar rules of the NHL Super Deep rosters that maybe isn't 56 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,639 the first Fantasy experience you want, But maybe some of you have had success 57 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,240 with Redraft or even with Keeper and Dynasties, and you're looking to level up. 58 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,800 As Jesse said, this would this is the next level to me, 59 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,399 and I love it, Like you said, like three D chess, it's 60 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:45,519 like you're playing or you're doing next level stuff, and so this is what 61 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,879 we're hoping to bring to you. And yeah, get some terms out of 62 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,240 the way, because there's definitely a lot more terms, a lot more things 63 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,279 to know, a lot more things to think about in cap leagues. It's 64 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:57,439 not so simple as just guy gets point, I want guy, but it's 65 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:00,759 a little bit it's a little bit more tricky, so talk about some of 66 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,560 these things. The first thing you have to decide and know about is how 67 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,000 you want to structure. There's a couple of options. There's AAV, which 68 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:13,399 is annual average value AAV, and these are things that you look at if 69 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:16,360 you've never looked at cap friendly or what rock have you been hiding under? 70 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:20,680 But also these are good references for you to look at because it's good to 71 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:26,199 know just what your favorite teams are, what constraints they have, and also 72 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,399 it'll list these terms. You can look at the cap or the salary of 73 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:36,319 AAV or also capit and Caphit is the amount paid on the contract divided by 74 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:42,240 the number of years. So if a player has a fifty million dollar contract 75 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:46,120 for five years, then their cap hit is going to be consistent. It's 76 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,279 going to be ten million per year. There's going to be no variation on 77 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,319 that. But the annual average value could be different. It could be paid 78 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,759 slightly differently each year. And you hear about this all the time where you 79 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,399 have some players or some team teams who tend to get rid of contracts when 80 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:04,639 the actual dollar amount is more than the cap hit because they don't want to 81 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:08,800 actually pay the dollars. And then teams that have lots of money don't care 82 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,199 about that because they'll just go ahead and pay that. You can set up 83 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,560 leagues based on lots of different things caphit, AAV. You could also use 84 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:21,079 total salary or base salary. I've never really seen those, but a lot 85 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:25,800 of those things are options. And the thing is that the AAV may vary. 86 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,240 There's a little bit of extra maneuvering with the AAV. Just like in 87 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,519 real life teams can move contracts, so fantasy teams could move contracts based on 88 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,519 I don't want the actual amount of money to go up, but I think 89 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,160 it makes it also a little bit more complicated, unnecessarily. So I like 90 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:45,639 caphit because the cap hit is just the exact amount paid divided by the number 91 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,639 of years, and so it's consistent that if you have a certain player that 92 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,680 with a cap hit, that's going to stay the same. So if you 93 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:56,759 like Dylan Markin as an example, I just have to be looking at the 94 00:06:56,759 --> 00:07:00,160 Red Wings page right now. He's coming off a six point one million dollar 95 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,839 cap hit, and he's going to an eight point seven dollars million dollar cap 96 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,439 hit, and that is going to be consistent over the life of that contract. 97 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:12,000 So you know that if you take on that eight point seven million dollar 98 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,360 contract that he has coming up over the next eight years, then that's going 99 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,040 to stay the same that whole time, and it's not going to go up 100 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,160 and down. So I think that's just a little bit more predictable, it's 101 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,079 a little bit easier. So those are the options. I don't know about 102 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:29,360 you, Jesse, but I'm definitely a cap hit van. Do you prefer 103 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:34,240 one versus the other? Yeah, I think that makes a perfect sense in 104 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,920 a way to do it. Amount of contract if you're doing the NHL generated 105 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,360 salaries, and I'm going to get into that a little bit, but I 106 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:46,720 agree with you there, Victor. The other thing retention salary retentions, and 107 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:53,439 so you've probably heard about this with players who get traded and a team will 108 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,399 retain some of the contracts, usually to competitive teams that don't have a lot 109 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,800 of salary cap maneuverability. One of the teams that's not in it or rebuilding 110 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:07,319 will retain money and so you can choose to do this fantasy leagues as well. 111 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,639 You can have and I would definitely recommend having this as an option because 112 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,839 it's a fun thing to do. It increases the number of options of ways 113 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:22,759 that you can make trades, and so you can retain either a percent or 114 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:30,120 a certain dollar amount. The NHL rules, it's important to know you cannot 115 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,320 have retentions take up more than fifteen percent of the team's salary cap. So 116 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,679 of all the cap a team has, retentions can't make up more than fifteen 117 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,440 percent of that. And the other thing is that you can't have more than 118 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,000 three retentions per year. So in most of the leagues I plan, we 119 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:52,440 try to do something similar, and I think that if you don't, you 120 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:58,000 could be in for some trouble because if you give unlimited number of retentions, 121 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,240 you could end up with someone just getting bogged down with having so much money 122 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,519 tied up in retentions it can't even afford any players, and then they're just 123 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:11,240 like there's no team to field and they're completely tanking, and that might be 124 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:16,159 a little bit uncompetitive. And the other thing is that it is an absolutely 125 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:22,120 massive advantage to have a retained salary player. So this is something that it 126 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,039 helps. It helps make the league a little bit more fun if done right, 127 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,360 and you can get massive value on these retained contracts, and so this 128 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,120 is why I think it's really fun. As an example, in Jessein and 129 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:39,399 iis league that we co managed, we had Bohorvat on his previous contract retained. 130 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,080 We had Alex Ovechkin at half retained, Patrick Kine at half retained. 131 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Who else? We have Copatar at half retained. So if you think about 132 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:52,320 this Solovechkin with a pretty high salary, he's worth it because he's still a 133 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,320 good player at nine point five million, But then think about him at nine 134 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,360 four point seven five million. All of a sudden, that value per dollar 135 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:09,039 is astronomically higher. So you can teams want these retained salaries because it's a 136 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,240 massive advantage to have the value of that player be so much less. And 137 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:18,240 also the teams that are retaining they can get pretty good value too because they're 138 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,480 taking on this contract. And this is where it gets a little tricky, 139 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,600 because I think sometimes maybe teams don't necessarily know how to value that and they 140 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:33,080 might undersell the amount of cap hit that they're eating because you generally have to 141 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:37,840 do and I would recommend that when you do these retentions, you do it 142 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,480 for the life of the contract. So if you're going to retain on a 143 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:45,200 trade, you do it for the number of years left for a dollar for 144 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,639 a certain dollar amount, no more than fifty percent for the lifetime of the 145 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:52,440 contract. If you do anything else in that, it gets very confusing. 146 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,440 Oh, just retained for this year but not the following year. That's just 147 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:00,600 confusing, right, And it's just not The NHL doesn't allow that either, 148 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,120 So trying to mimic the rules, I think the NHL has not figured everything 149 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,240 out obviously, but has some pretty good rules in place to avoid too complicated 150 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,159 a situation. The other thing is that you can trade a player who's already 151 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,559 been retained on but any team that has already retained money, they're on the 152 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,799 hook no matter what that other team does. So as an example, you 153 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:26,480 could trade a player who has a big contract and retain, and then that 154 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:30,919 team could trade that retent that player and retain again. But let's say the 155 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,080 last player decides, you know what, I don't want this player. I'm 156 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,200 just going to buy them out or whatever. The other teams that retain, 157 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,559 they're on the hook for that salary no matter what. They can't change it. 158 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,440 So you have to keep that in your rules or be aware of that, 159 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,840 because otherwise, I guess you could say everyone is just off the hook. 160 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:48,360 But to me, that kind of loses the bite or loses the whole 161 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:52,399 point of why are we retaining in the first place. The last thing is 162 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,240 the buyouts, and so I just mentioned that there are some leagues that don't 163 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,120 use buyouts at all. So basically it's a salary cap league. But you 164 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,120 can move money amount around however you want, so you can add drop players 165 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:13,399 whenever, and as long as the salary cap in that specific moment that you 166 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,840 have your team doesn't go over a certain amount, then you're fine. But 167 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:22,320 if you have let's say, when Nathan McKinnon was injured or whomever, what 168 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,000 maybe OV goes day to day and you say, I just want to add 169 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,159 Tyler Sagan for a couple of days or whatever. Some of these guys are 170 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:31,919 free agents because they have such huge contracts, or like Jeff Skinner, then 171 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,240 you can add them and if they stop presing, you can just drop them 172 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,320 for free. In some leagues, so that's something that's an option that you 173 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,039 can think about. In my opinion, that's not as interesting because it's basically 174 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:50,440 the same kind of league with just the added caveat that you might want to 175 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:56,039 think about the salary, but it doesn't have the same roster building sort of 176 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:03,279 effect or challenge that you have with a buyout. And I like that better 177 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,559 because you have to build for the future and you have to keep all these 178 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,480 things in mind. And if you have the league like most of the leagues 179 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,519 that I play in now, I did have one league like the previous like 180 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,879 I mentioned, without requiring any buyout, he could just free drop somebody. 181 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,399 And I don't know, I didn't like that. It seemed too easy. 182 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,519 I don't want to say too easy per se, because obviously each league still 183 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:30,159 has its complexity, and it's not like I won that league every year or 184 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:35,200 anything like that. But I just like the complexity of having to think more 185 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:41,919 about there should be some bite to do I add this guy or not. 186 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:46,200 You should have to think about it. And they have a big contract. 187 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,200 Do I want to be on the hook for the next five, four, 188 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:52,120 eight years of this guy? You should have to really make that decision, 189 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:54,919 just like a team does when they sign somebody. When you add somebody, 190 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,639 it's like signing them. Okay, I'm gonna I'm going to keep them on 191 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,919 my team for the next X number of years. And so that's why I 192 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,639 think the buyout is important and that's why I would recommend using it. It 193 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,120 just makes it more interesting and then you can decide on Like the NHL limits 194 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,639 the number of buyouts you can have, I believe is seven, and so 195 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,559 that's what a lot of my leagues have. You can't have more than a 196 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:22,120 certain number in each year. So because if you just have unlimited number of 197 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,759 buyouts, then it also doesn't really have too much of a bite. The 198 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:30,080 NHL uses a formula, and so if you want it to be just like 199 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,360 the NHL, you could go on there and you could say, Okay, 200 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,240 I want to buy out this player, what is that going to cost me? 201 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,080 And cap friendly puck Pedia they will do a calculation for you and they'll 202 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,720 tell you how much it costs per year and maybe familiar with this when your 203 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,799 team has done it that to me. We actually thought about using that in 204 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,679 a couple of leagues, but it just got too confusing and so we ended 205 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,720 up going with a simple percent. So initially in some of my leagues we 206 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:58,080 did twenty five percent, but that was too easy, so we've up to 207 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,960 it to fifty percent, and that seems more reasonable. There should be a 208 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,840 little bit of pain if you add a player and decide you want to drop 209 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,360 them. There should be a little bit of a consequence for that, and 210 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,120 that makes it more of a roster building league and not a streaming league, 211 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 which is what we want, at least what I want in a lot of 212 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,000 these leagues. So fifty percent I think is good for the length of the 213 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,039 deal. So if add Jeff Skinner and he's doing well and then he slows 214 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,919 down, you're on the hook for that whole contract. And if you want 215 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,519 to drop him, then you have to buy him out at four point five 216 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,639 million for the next four years. Right. That would be the buyout penalty 217 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,120 for nine million dollar contracts. So that's that's the thing. And then you 218 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,320 have to think about that, like, I don't want to just willy nilly 219 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,080 add guys and then drop them, because if you have a limit number of 220 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,159 buyouts, you want to make sure you have enough of those for when you 221 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,080 really need it. Jesse, Yeah, and what this sums up to Victor. 222 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,440 These are the important concepts because these are features you want to put in. 223 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,360 It's an old and I would attribute it, but I'm guessing that it 224 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:06,639 would be apocryphal any quote I give to you and attributed to somebody who doesn't 225 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:12,080 belong to But restraints create creativity. There's a reason that Shakespeare's sonnets are considered 226 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:15,240 so good, and that's because he had to write them in the weird, 227 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,559 constrained way of a sonnet. These are the restraints you're putting around your lead. 228 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,240 These are the rules that you're putting in place that keep the salary system 229 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:32,039 interesting. Do they sound complex, sure, but that's because this is the 230 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,759 way the NHL plays. So we want to use some things that are realistic 231 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,480 to real life, but also make sure that they are fun and they allow 232 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:45,919 for strategies we'll talk about. The Victor already alluded to a lot of the 233 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,559 ways that you can use these to your advantage. But just just GMBM or 234 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:53,279 George McClelland out in Vegas, people are going to push the rules. You 235 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,600 got to have limits to the way you do salaries. You can't just throw 236 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:00,279 mark stone on the il all year I'm sorry, Mark, I know you're 237 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,880 really hurt, but sometimes Nikita Kucharav you can just leave Nikita Kucherrov on your 238 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,839 You got to look for the holes and you got to play around them. 239 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:14,519 And Victor has done a great job introducing some of the basic terms that you're 240 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,920 going to need to know to set up your leak and the way your league 241 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,680 is going to go, how much fun it's going to be, how competitive 242 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,680 going to be, is going to require that savvy decisions have been made. 243 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:30,519 Victor is very smart in this. You hear about the way he talked with 244 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,839 a group of managers and they designed rules together that made a successful leak. 245 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:40,240 To me, there's really two basic types of salary leaks. One of them 246 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,160 is fantasy driven salaries. The other is NHL driven salaries. A lot of 247 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,079 what you've heard so far in terms of the stuff that Victor's talking about is 248 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,359 about the NHL driven salaries. And I'm going to give you an example of 249 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:59,160 one league. In each category of fantasy driven salaries, you can set a 250 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,400 cap and forget it. It is something that happens at the auction bidding and 251 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:06,759 the numbers that you assigned to people in terms of contracts have nothing to do 252 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:11,599 with reality. Necessarily, you need to make sure that your cap is amenable 253 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,000 to the decisions people are going to be able to make your league. If 254 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,519 you're using as simple, all contracts go up by X dollars per year, 255 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:22,480 which is a keeper theory. You get so and so on three dollars in 256 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,920 the first year you picked up Tage Thompson for three dollars in your salary cap. 257 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,480 Next year he goes up to six dollars. Next year he goes up 258 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:33,880 to nine. That's one of the basic ways that people will do keepers and 259 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,200 contracts to make sure that you don't get a value forever in a fantasy driven 260 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,640 thing. If you're getting contracts in a system that's too permissive, like Victor 261 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,880 talked about, if you let people do things that are too permissive, you're 262 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,319 going to lose the challenge of making mistakes. You got to allow a system 263 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,920 that allows people to make a certain level of mistakes, or you're going to 264 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,599 have teams that don't figure out what they're doing and or screwed very quickly in 265 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,880 the history of the league. On the other hand, if you make things 266 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,720 too easy to get out of, you can encourage reckless behavior and teams just 267 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,799 going all over doing crazy things and benefiting from it in the end because there's 268 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:19,119 no consequences. So that is some basic concepts, and now we'll talk specifically. 269 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:22,359 I'm in there's not just one way to do the salary cap. I'm 270 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,960 in three different dynasties right now that have a CAP component, and I'm just 271 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,960 going to talk about them all in how they work just a little bit differently, 272 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:34,559 and give them as three examples. There's the NHL initiated, Fantasy initiated, 273 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,200 and then there's a hybrid to be honest. The first one is Victor 274 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:41,640 what Victor and I call our common league, where we co manage a team, 275 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,559 and that has some simplicity to it. Fan tracks will load your salaries, 276 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:51,920 by the way, that's an advantage of fan tracks is fan tracks will 277 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,720 load the NHL salaries in there. I think, I don't know how much 278 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,599 you have to modify those, Victor, or how much it just comes in 279 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,400 ahead Victor. Yeah, they do a great job. As you might imagine, 280 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,640 it's tricky and guys, salaries get updated now and then, so there 281 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,400 are times whereas commission you might have to go in and change things. But 282 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:18,160 by and large, I would say ninety five plus percent of the heavy lifting 283 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,160 is done by fan tracks. And then you might have to update something, 284 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:26,759 and so oftentimes they'll do a big sweep of updates, and if you just 285 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,039 wait, it'll get updated, and there's a button you can push it says 286 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:34,359 update salaries or refreshed sataries or whatever the term is, and it'll just do 287 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,680 it for you. So this isn't usually a huge deal during the season because 288 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,519 a lot of these don't get changed during the season. Some guys sign here 289 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:44,960 and there, but it doesn't take effect usually until the next year. But 290 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,759 over the summer and especially in that signing window of August September, there's a 291 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,640 lot of changes that happen. And if you just wait until closer to the 292 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,920 season and refresher salaries, it's fine. But I would say fan tracks pretty 293 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,559 much takes care of all of it, and it's so much easier than trying 294 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,400 to do this yourself. I hope a bunch of people just breathe a sigh 295 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,680 of relief, thinking, ain't no friggin way I'm scouring cap friendly and try 296 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,559 to keep track of everybody's stuff every day. No way, logistical nightmare. 297 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,960 Fantracks will do a lot of that for you and in force those salary caps 298 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,680 that throw up airs if people exceed them. Okay, so simplicity, we're 299 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,599 talking about the pluses to this type of using the real team salaries. It 300 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,599 signings and the narrative around them play a role in your planning. When you 301 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,880 see a horrible contract, when just an abdicator signs something crazy with the Detroit 302 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,480 Red Wings, that has implications to your leak. The NHL news has implications 303 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,599 to your league, the free agency season and all that. It'll flash on 304 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,799 your Twitter screen that is going to impact your league. That is cool. 305 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,839 It's not just manager driven. It's really it links into the NHL news more 306 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,119 than the other way. It's probably actually easier to track. As we said, 307 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,480 the system will generate some salary for you. That actually adds simplicity over 308 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,920 generating your own salaries, which we'll talk about a bit. Probably external records, 309 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,960 you don't have to keep quite as many of them. You can look 310 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,440 up the value, as Victor said, without even opening your league by going 311 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,319 to cat friendly in such things, and as bad of a decision as we 312 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,440 believe, NHL gms sometimes make or at least decisions that pay players beyond their 313 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:30,240 fantasy value. NHL agents generally do poll players toward being fairly paid, which 314 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,880 can be a check on super teams in the league. If you're playing in 315 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,880 a league where somebody got Tage Thompson for a minimum contract and they're going to 316 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,480 get to ride that out for years and years. Oh yeah, he was 317 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,680 a fantastic value at one point four million these last I think couple of years, 318 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,240 and he's going up not a lot in seven point one four million for 319 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:55,680 the next while, but that's still probably going to be excellent value compared to 320 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,319 some of these guys that are nine and a half ten whatever million, like 321 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,720 your Mark stonez of the world. Yeah, so it's a value. It's 322 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,039 a value. But what you'll find in it, we'll talk about the salaries 323 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,440 that are entirely based on decisions that managers make. Sometimes there'll be steals that 324 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,039 are just beyond steals, and you will have people who can just run up 325 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,839 the score based on that. If you use real NHL contracts, things at 326 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,200 least somewhat gravitate toward the middle. They'll still be values, they'll still be 327 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:27,759 overpays. But somebody out there is trying to get these players paid for real, 328 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:32,880 and that makes your league a little bit more constrained, a little bit 329 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,039 more normal. It incentivizes prospect hunting too. This is another thing I love 330 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:42,359 about it, because when veterans are more expensive, just like NHL teams, 331 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,559 those pre are players who can produce our goal. We love things that make 332 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,039 prospects more valuable because we love that side of the game. And let's face 333 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:56,640 it, a lot of times in our dynasty leagues, a lot of those 334 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,000 guys were just coming up and struggling and marginal. They're okay, but they're 335 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:07,039 not producing the long term, boring veterans. That's frustrating. But now the 336 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:11,359 guys who are just coming up, Quentin Buyfield has some value in your league 337 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,480 already, and so on and so forth. So I like it because it 338 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:18,000 benefits with prospects. It also incentivizes creative use of the things like to buy 339 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,400 out the retention. We'll talk more about the use of that. Victor has 340 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,519 already referenced that startup draft is different from what most managers have ever played. 341 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:32,240 It's a weird thing to be in a startup draft where all real NHL salaries 342 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,640 are involved, because it's going to completely throw the player valuations, and we'll 343 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,759 talk more about how to value the players. Victor's got some good ideas on 344 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,720 that. But you might not see the guys going near the top who you 345 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,200 expect to go near the top of the draft and not going to look like 346 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,440 one you've ever seen, because guys like Tate Thompson are going to be elevated 347 00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:56,599 beyond what they even produce, and other guys who normally would be drafted high, 348 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,400 I don't know. Maybe andre Vasilevski would drop because he's been paid like 349 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,440 crazy in Tampa Bay. So there's going to be different things in the way 350 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,440 you rank internally, and I think that makes it fun. The old super 351 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,640 trade where a star gets traded to a team for picks and prospects, and 352 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,440 it just it's almost vetoable because you're like, oh my gosh, this guy 353 00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:22,960 traded nothing for right now, it's all these picks, it's these guys who 354 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,880 are way far away, and there goes Steven Stampcos to this team, and 355 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,519 what the heck. It's a lot harder to pull that off in a context 356 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,759 where you have a cap and the retentions and things offer some ways to make 357 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:40,279 that flexible, but it's not as completely wide open as it is in just 358 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,880 a dynasty league minus sides too. Using the NHL generated salaries. The skill 359 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,720 of the league managers is beholden to the whims of the real ANSHL gms. 360 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,000 You might have a player who you love and has been great and is the 361 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,640 core of your team, and then suddenly somebody pays them crazy money, and 362 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,759 now they've gone from one of your biggest assets to one of your biggest deficits. 363 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,200 Your results may vary. You might like that as a feature in your 364 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,519 league, you might hate it. But regardless, should skill be reflected in 365 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,920 predicting who will be on good contracts in the future. Is predicting the mind 366 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,359 of the lowest scale the NHLGM that you think is least in sync with our 367 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:26,000 fantasy value. Should you be relying on them to predict the future of your 368 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,400 team? Maybe not. Maybe some people don't like that, but it does 369 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,559 put a Even though it is a little bit more of a random thing than 370 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,480 the skill of the manager, it probably isn't a bad thing to introduce a 371 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:44,240 little randomness from time to time. Having fantasy playable players on horrible contracts stuck 372 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,240 in free agency is a shame to me. This is why you must set 373 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,279 up your cap correctly. You have to have the correct amount in our common 374 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,799 league that we're talking about. Last time, I look, Sergei Bobrovski of 375 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,799 Guinea, Malcolm Jamie, Ben Durydoudi and Jeff Skinner are on waivers. Is 376 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:06,480 that ideal? I don't think it's ideal to have producing players like that on 377 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:10,279 waivers. But the truth is the bank for the buck is not there. 378 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:14,359 The competitive teams are full. They can't afford to take more guys on like 379 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,119 this. These contracts are too long. But them's the breaks. First it 380 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,079 was Carrie Price, but now it's Jamie Binn, who would have been a 381 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000 very valuable player in fantasy this year, but nobody can afford to take them 382 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,079 into their cap. So again, your results may vary. That might be 383 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,000 good, that might be bad. If you have a deep enough league with 384 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,160 a cap that is set differently, those players are probably on teams. Again, 385 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,400 this is a relatively it's like a twelve team league victor, it's not 386 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,920 as many teams. I'm not critiquing the league at all. It's incredibly fun, 387 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,400 but just be aware that is something that can happen. There's players who 388 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:55,039 are very productive who might not even be stomachable on a team. Very simple 389 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,359 as the ways to do with salary structure is the NHL salaries. There's still 390 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,400 a serious complexity to the NHL's salary structures. This is still complexity. Yes, 391 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,359 and our league is twelve teams, there's still serious complexity to this. 392 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,440 If you identify an under the radar talent, your payoff is limited. Like 393 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,920 I said before, I said it's good that Taje. Thompson isn't an out 394 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,799 of control value, but maybe you see it the opposite way that you should 395 00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,279 get the benefit if you identify a guy like this and you pick him up. 396 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,440 This is the flip side. Another disadvantage. You're gonna have to watch 397 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,440 in a lot of auto play videos on cap friendly. I'm sorry, cap 398 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,559 Friendly, I love you, but stupid AutoPlay videos on that site. You'll 399 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:37,359 have to deal with what happens when a player is signed to a contract during 400 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 or just before a season and throws your team into disarray. You might have 401 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,319 been planning a certain way and then the last minute somebody gets this huge extension 402 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,759 and now you're like, oh shoot, now I got to completely replan. 403 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,559 You can't really play in your offseason necessarily. You have to leave yourself a 404 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:59,640 lot of flexibility because nhlgms are going to make signings based on their cap sheets, 405 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,839 on yours, and so one other thing. It's not an advantage, 406 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,319 it's not a disadvantage. Just the thing. You'll have to figure out how 407 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,799 and whether free agency will happen because you'll have this off season period where you'll 408 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,640 have expiring contracts. Some guys are going to go on the free agent wire. 409 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,440 In the NHL, managers negotiate with agents, players decide where they're signing. 410 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,599 In your league, You're going to have a system that these guys who 411 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,039 go out in free agency, how are you going to decide? Is it 412 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,599 going to be a draft, is it going to be what is it going 413 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,519 to be to get these players back on teams at the beginning of the season, 414 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,400 because just throwing open free agency is a choice. Victor, I'm going 415 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,920 to talk about the other side, the fantasy initiated salary, But any observations 416 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,480 you want to make just on the setup of an NHL based salary system, 417 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,480 Yeah, personally, I like this better. I do have a league where 418 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,279 we auction and it increases per year, and that's fun, and teams set 419 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,440 the value of players and you have a set amount of money, and so 420 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,480 it's dissociated pretty much completely from the NHL salary cap, and it's a little 421 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,960 bit easier to just follow because you have a certain number of dollars. Let's 422 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,279 say it's two hundred dollars, and you just you bid on the players and 423 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,279 everyone has to fit under your cap, and so it's a little bit easier 424 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,359 to think about because you're just like, Okay, if this guy, if 425 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,119 I want to pay Nikiriti Kutrov seventy dollars, that's a huge chunk of my 426 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,519 cap, and that's close to half thing, and it's easier to keep that 427 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:44,880 and all the What I like is that the teams in the league have control 428 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,559 over who makes what. On the other hand, I don't like how how 429 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:55,119 dissociated it is completely from the NHL in reality, because this is the league 430 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,000 that we're all playing in, So it does make sense to me to follow 431 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,319 that. And one of the points I wanted to make that you alluded to 432 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,519 earlier is that I do think there's a skill in kind of predicting who's gonna 433 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,519 get what kind of contract, you know. I think a perfect example is 434 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:18,000 like Evan Bouchard in Edmonton, whose value this year was a little bit muted 435 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,119 with having Tyson Barry there for part of the year and not having top power 436 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,200 playtime. I even mentioned this on a show or two. I almost feel 437 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,799 like Edmonton is purposefully diminishing his value so that when he gets paid this summer, 438 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,119 he doesn't get paid as much. Because he's a guy. We know 439 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920 he's got a lot of skill. He is a restricted free agent. He 440 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:45,640 hasn't really gone gangbusters for most of this ELC that he's been on, partially 441 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,119 I think because of limited opportunity, not because of his own skill, and 442 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,599 when he has had the opportunity, he has shown it. So he's a 443 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400 perfect guy that I would look at in a cap league and I would say, 444 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,599 I want this guy on my team. I don't think that Edmonton is 445 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,440 going to pay him as much as I think he can be worth in my 446 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:05,680 league, and I want to take that risk. It is going to be 447 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,839 a risk because you never know, they could walk out and hand him a 448 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,119 seven x seven, seven times seven million dollar contract. I seriously doubt they 449 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,359 would do that, but that's the risk I'd be willing to take based on 450 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:21,319 what I know about the situation. And so I think there is some value 451 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,559 in kind of being able to predict who's that, who's going to happen, 452 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,960 who that's going to happen with, and the same can happen the other way. 453 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,160 There are guys who maybe get overplayed, over leaned on, and then 454 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,880 and then get paid way too much and then their miniscule value gets diminished even 455 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,640 more. And I think an example of this is maybe like a Ben Scharatt, 456 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,960 who I just don't really think is a very good defenseman, although he 457 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,720 does hit and block a fair amount, but in terms of his play driving 458 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:51,839 and a lot of his analytics are really awful. And even though four point 459 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,519 seventy five million times four years wasn't like a massive overpaid, but I think 460 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:00,799 it's he's definitely not the best or even maybe second best or maybe even their 461 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,759 best defensement on that team, and the guys that are on their eocs and 462 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:08,160 Jake Wallman are doing much doing more for their team. So you can also 463 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,160 look at it the other way and say who's getting paid, Maybe who's gonna 464 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,480 get paid too much? Who's overvalued based on certain statistics, and I think 465 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,759 that's useful, but as you said, Jesse, it also leaves you at 466 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:27,119 the complete whim of mad men who run these NHL teams. Yeah, tools 467 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,279 like Evolving Hockey predicts salary signings in the off season. That can be a 468 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,960 fun little game. Like you said, this is another game you could do 469 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,880 in the off season. There is a reason to watch free agency. It's 470 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:47,240 cool. How much DOLLA really costs? The question is detrim minh Krevin nas 471 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,200 and my thoughts, crept site and my stole. We keep that initiated salary. 472 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:58,839 The other type of league design is the fantasy initiated salary. Victor alluded 473 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,119 to it. I've mentioned it. This is one where you have an opening 474 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,480 auction. I'm not sure if we're supposed to say auction anymore, but it 475 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,880 is a bidding system to bid contracts for players, and it is up to 476 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,920 the free market of the managers in your league who is going to acquire players. 477 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,039 It's highly engaging, incredibly fun to do an auction if you haven't as 478 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,880 long as long as you can get people from multiple content continents together for a 479 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,599 five hour fun fest. And it's a somewhat efficient market where players initially should 480 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,679 have contracts that track with their age and production expectations. In fantasy, if 481 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,440 you have skilled managers, you're going to get that. You're going to have 482 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,639 steals in this type of a system. Like I said, your results are 483 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,079 your mileage may vary on how much you like the idea of somebody who captures 484 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:51,480 somebody on a very inexpensive contract holds them for a long time on that and 485 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:55,079 their value can be very variable to different managers. But you can decide how 486 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,800 long of a term people can hold them for. Maybe it's in the other 487 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,119 league that I have I'm referring to now. It's called Red Rock Dynasty. 488 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,440 It's a basketball league, but it's on these same concepts. It's all based 489 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,440 on bidding. At the beginning, you can hold players for a maximum of 490 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:15,559 four years, plus you can do a up to four year extension. But 491 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:22,360 the salaries do increase a little bit every year, and so there is a 492 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,679 bit of a challenge. Associated You can't get somebody ultra cheap, but you 493 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,960 can lock in some values for longer terms. You can find rules to make 494 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,559 up the cost of a highly productive player. Maybe you could add some complications 495 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,159 to make sure that or you can allow that savy manager to continue to benefit. 496 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,639 That is up to you. You can make yearly contracts as easy or 497 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,360 as difficult as you want. There's lots of variation when you do this because 498 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,840 you're not beholden to the NHL AAV. If you want salaries to go up 499 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,280 every year in a certain way, you can. That's all up to you 500 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,320 in terms of how you want the dynamic to be more input your league mates 501 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,880 have into how long players will stay on their team at what costs, and 502 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,960 have the choice to overpay compared to the competitors. That is a skill as 503 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:14,719 well. There's actually more like managing real hockey clubs in the sense that at 504 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,199 least in the sense that the most aggressive suitor employs the player. If you 505 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,440 are the highest bidder, you get to have that player on your team. 506 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,280 You're the person who is most aggressive on them, and that it matters in 507 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,159 a way. It means that you're always rostering the guys you had to be 508 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,440 the most aggressive to get. Every player can also have a part of the 509 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,360 game, but Brovski Drew Dowdy. They won't be on the wire. They'll 510 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,920 be on somebody's team and probably on a somewhat discounted contract because their production is 511 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:49,719 likely to drop over the back part of their career, disadvantages to the fantasy 512 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,119 initiated salary. I said before, Fantras is going to initiate the real NHL 513 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,440 salaries, and it's a matter of clicking refresh to see how things are right 514 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,519 now. It can get complicated fast and get hard to track what's happening on 515 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:08,679 all the teams. In a graduated salary, we have a simple system of 516 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,960 all the contracts going up twenty percent each year, and there's one column that 517 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,760 says what year of the contract each guy is in, and you can extrapolate 518 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,880 from there. In my Red Rock Dynasty league, and so that is at 519 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 least a somewhat simple system. But if you try to make it too wild, 520 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,360 it can be hard. It can be hard, and I'll get to 521 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,679 that in a minute. There's also a super team risk. I've come to 522 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,760 believe that the runaway juggernaut is a problem in Dynasty. I'm worried about this. 523 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,280 We want dynasty because we want to be able to build a team that 524 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,360 is successful and great over time. The problem is if you have a disparity 525 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,199 and skill that's fun to a point. But if you have one manager who 526 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:59,400 can stop the other managers into submission, you might lose interest from some of 527 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,599 the players. It's nice to have things that bring people back to the pack, 528 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:09,000 that are more advanced than just it's somebody's career a player getting older. 529 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,840 If you've got Alexander Ovechkin and Sydney Crosby both as rookies and you were running 530 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,480 away with the league at that time, you can't just wait and say, 531 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,079 what a few years, Crosby and Ovechkin will get old and then that team 532 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,280 will have to come back. No, they didn't get old, they just 533 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,440 lasted and lasted. If you were in a league where somebody had the advantage 534 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,840 of those players for what fifteen years, you're in trouble. The super team 535 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,400 risk gets muted in a salary type situation. I've also, I will warn 536 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,039 you one of the disadvantages to doing this bidding system. Like I said, 537 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,159 you're going to have to find a way to get people bidding together on a 538 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,760 special time. You have to find a time to do that, and you 539 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,760 probably are going to have to find a time every year because as contracts expire. 540 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,320 What we do in Red Rock is we do another session for the guys 541 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,599 who went under free agency and bid on them all over again. So every 542 00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,360 year a whole bunch of players are on the wire because a whole lot of 543 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,760 one year contracts have been signed the previous You have to decide how many years 544 00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:15,719 you were going to have a guy in a contract when you sign them, 545 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,800 and then expiring contracts and such become very valuable too. But to me, 546 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,199 the idea of a slow auction, people talk about it, every time I've 547 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:30,039 seen it, it's been an absolute cluster. It is incredibly difficult to effectively 548 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,239 pull off a slow auction that will reflect what happens in a live auction. 549 00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,199 And so I don't particularly like that. I've done slow auctions. I don't 550 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:44,960 like it. You end up, really I think a live auction is almost 551 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,280 what you need to have, and that is logistically difficult to challenge. Okay, 552 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,599 a couple of other things, and then I will defer back to Victor 553 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,280 for some comments on this part of it. Things that think about, how 554 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,320 are you going to account for draft pick costs in the salary league that's like 555 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,159 this, there's assigned contract values, the fantasy generator and fantasy generated Okay, 556 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,039 are you gonna let a first round pick just be cheap forever until whatever particular 557 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:19,679 time because there's no NHL salary, So you're not using the NHL salary associated 558 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,800 with Connor McDavid when he's drafted. Are you going to say, if you 559 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,039 got the first pick in the draft, that guy's worth one dollar. No, 560 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,320 that's not gonna work. You're gonna have to figure out a system for 561 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,679 contract values and longevity of how long you can keep them for in the league. 562 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,639 I do Pick one is worth a certain x number of dollars, Picks 563 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,320 two and three slightly less, Picks four through eight slightly less, and so 564 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,119 forth. So you have to fit those guys under the cap, even when 565 00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:49,000 they're in your minors and you have certain costs associated with them because you're gonna 566 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,639 be keeping them for a while, but you can't keep them at minimum contracts 567 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,960 or your league will be insane in about three years. Likewise, how are 568 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,320 you gonna deal with other players coming up from the juniors? Are you gonna 569 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,599 have just the standard contract? If you pick somebody up off the wire who 570 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,679 goes into your minor system, how are you going to deal with that when 571 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,159 they get called up? How are they going to transition to long term team 572 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:14,880 members in this Red rock league. If you didn't draft them, you can't 573 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,039 sign them to more than a one year contract in an d season ad because 574 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:22,760 the bidding is going to be like one dollar and what are you doing here? 575 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,000 Instead, they go back in the big auction for the following year. 576 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,400 How long do you want these contracts to last? Like I said, that 577 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,480 is critical. If you let these contracts go for fifteen years or indefinitely, 578 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,559 you allow teams to build a dynasty around one player. However, you allow 579 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,320 that player basically to never join the player pool if they're in contracts. That 580 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,199 could be good or bad. Think about that before you start. Contract leagues 581 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,760 are very high complexity. Differences in manager's skill is going to be amplified. 582 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:58,880 Some managers are going to solve this math problem before other ones do. Some 583 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,360 of them are going to scale out better than other ones do. Some of 584 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:06,360 them will have better strategies, and again that's good. We want the successful 585 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,639 managers to win, but be careful. If you create a juggernaut that runs 586 00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:16,039 away with it, it's much more difficult in my mind to rebuild when teams 587 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,440 can not only get players, but get players at a value than it even 588 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,079 is in a plain old dynasty league and a plan old dynasty league. You 589 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,480 have the problem too. Victor thoughts on that and more things you have to 590 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,320 say, Yeah, I hear you about the super team, and I think 591 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,840 that this is the solution in many ways to the super team problem. That 592 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:44,559 it's really hard to do to stay good in a salary cap league. And 593 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,280 this is why it's been really hard in the NHL for teams to stay good 594 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,280 for so long. It just adds such an extra layer of complexity. And 595 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,440 before the salary cap why we saw so many dynasties, and after you really 596 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,159 don't teams win and then have to retool a little bit. Maybe they're competitive 597 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:05,119 for several years, but that takes a lot of work. So I really 598 00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:09,800 like that. As Jesse said, I dislike the letting the teams dictate the 599 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,599 salary a little bit and do the auctions just because it has a lot of 600 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,599 disadvantages. It can get really complicated keeping track of what everyone is doing and 601 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:22,559 who has what, and how much guys are worth. It's like what And 602 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:24,760 also when you're asking for advice and stuff like that. Some of you have 603 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,079 probably seen this in the discord. It's like, all right, let me 604 00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,000 explain to you my league settings, and then this is what this guy's worth, 605 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,880 and this is what that what do I do? And it's it's hard 606 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,400 to wrap your head around it because it's so different, as opposed to if 607 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,519 you use basically similar to NHL rules, then everyone understands a little bit more 608 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,039 what's going on. It's a little bit easier to keep track of. So 609 00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,159 I think in many ways, the setting your own price, it can lead 610 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:50,960 to the issue where some guys that Jesse said, solve that problem, they 611 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:55,400 can have a massive advantage and if they know it better than anyone the ins 612 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,320 and outs, they can take advantage of everybody else, and that can be 613 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,079 a little bit un fortunate. Whereas if everyone's a little bit more clear and 614 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,199 it's similar to the NHL, it's a little bit easier to keep everything straight. 615 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,880 There are definitely there are definitely pluses and minuses to each and I think 616 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,880 it's just important that very clearly what's going to happen. I almost joined this 617 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,639 league a year ago and they had basically they wanted to start drafting, and 618 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,920 they hadn't really ironed out all the rules they wanted to be a salary league, 619 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,039 and they wanted they wanted certain things, but I said, I really 620 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,239 think we should have the rules clearly outlined. And people were like, nah, 621 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,880 let's just draft. It'll be fine. It'll be based on the NHL. 622 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,599 And I was like, no, I'm out. And then one of 623 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,199 the guys came to me a month later and was like, yeah, people 624 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,159 didn't iron everything out, and now everyone's arguing about this and that and this 625 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,320 other thing, and it's yeah, I figured that would happen because it isn't 626 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,199 clear unless you lay it all out exactly in black and white in a rules 627 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,880 document that everyone can access. There needs to be transparenty. If you want 628 00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,480 the league to be fun and competitive, everyone needs to understand the rules from 629 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,519 the beginning. Because you're going to draft your team based on certain expectations. 630 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,840 You can't say let's draft and then decide, you know what, no buyouts. 631 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,400 You're stuck with your team. Like, what if you thought that was 632 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,400 going to be an option and then it isn't. That's totally unfair. Anyways, 633 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,679 just as an example and great points, Jesse, There's a couple other 634 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,400 things to think about when you're setting up your league. Some of the very 635 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,320 basic things is categories versus points. We've had this discussion a lot, and 636 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,480 many of you have preference in redraft keeper, same in dynasty. Do you 637 00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:35,280 want to think about how do you want to think about this? How do 638 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,079 you want your league to be set up? Categories versus points? I think 639 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,440 in many ways categories are a bit easier to track. You see a goal 640 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,559 on TV or on your following, and you're like, oh, goal, 641 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,639 I have that guy. Cool. That adds to my total easy to track 642 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,000 assists, special teams points, whatever hits, blocks, pims. That's a 643 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,840 little bit easier. Goalie stats, saves wins. I'm a big fan of 644 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,280 even strength save percentage. By the way, which tracks allows you to have 645 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,639 as a category. I have that a category in many of my leagues. 646 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,760 I just think it's more fair to the goalie and to the team. So 647 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:14,440 I like that. But anyways, what I like how easy it is to 648 00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:19,000 follow the categories. The goal is a goal. But I do find it's 649 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,239 a little bit harder to boil down to what is so key in salary cap 650 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,719 leagues, and that is value per dollar. It's all about value per dollar. 651 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:35,000 It doesn't matter necessarily how much the player costs. It's all about how 652 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:39,239 much they produce based on how much they're being paid. And in a categories 653 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:46,719 league where every category is a bit different, you need to know how far 654 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,480 each category, how far each how far the player is from each category, 655 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,599 the average of that league, what the standard deviation is, And that's a 656 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:59,960 little bit harder to calculate. And then you have to ask yourself the question 657 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,760 and is a hit worth a block? Is a goal worth a win? 658 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,440 That is really hard to answer. It really depends. Each value has its 659 00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:10,679 category, has its own value, and has a relative scarcity, and that 660 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,239 all makes it so much harder to track. I'm going to talk more about 661 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,559 this in part two. I have a way that I do it that I 662 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:21,800 think works pretty well. It's worked pretty well for me in the leagues that 663 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:29,880 I've won or been competitive, But I do think that the monitoring and keeping 664 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,039 track of value in the categories leagues is just a little bit harder. And 665 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,960 I think you can get skewed by Oh, this guy scores a lot of 666 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440 goals, and so therefore he's worth a nine million dollar contract? Is he 667 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:44,039 because what else does he do? Maybe not? And so that's important to 668 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,119 keep in mind. In a points league, this is a bit easier because 669 00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:52,880 you pick your categories that have points, right, so whatever you want that 670 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,039 to be, you assign. You assign the point value, and you can 671 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,880 you can add in so obviously goals, assist, whatever you want, whins, 672 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,760 saves. But what I love about points leagues too is you can also 673 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,440 assign little point values for fun things like a shutout. A shutout as a 674 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,719 category and a categories league is just insane in my opinion. It doesn't it's 675 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,920 so random and it sways matchups way too hard. Goalie goals you can add. 676 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:19,800 You'd never have that as a category because it never happens, but it's 677 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,000 a fun little extra or an assist from a goalie you can add that. 678 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:24,760 You can add hat tricks, rare events, you can add that, and 679 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,760 that makes it fun. But it's also easy to know. You can just 680 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:37,920 look at how many Fantasy points does a player have per year, how many 681 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:42,159 Fantasy points do they have per game on average over the course of half a 682 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,480 year, a month, a year, two years, three years, and 683 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:49,159 you can very easily see and then compare it to their salary. What is 684 00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:53,480 this page? What is this player's value per dollar based on their fantasy points. 685 00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:57,679 It's very easy to look at that and say, Okay, this guy's 686 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,760 worth whatever x amount, and you can just have a spreadsheet and very easily 687 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,840 track all these numbers and you can see who is great value and who is 688 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:12,400 not great value, and so that's I think a lot easier. It's also 689 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,039 a bit harder to game a category like you can in categories leagues and the 690 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,760 points leagues. It's hard to say I'm just gonna brute force, I'm gonna 691 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,599 win blocks and I'm gonna win hits or whatever, and you can't do that, 692 00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:28,800 and points leaks some things to consider. I like points leagues for this 693 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:35,199 reason is that you can very easily just decide and figure out what is the 694 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,400 value per dollar of each player, and then just go from there and decide 695 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,800 the relative value of each player. So I'm a fan of that. It's 696 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,840 a little bit easier to track. But then I guess some of the negatives 697 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:52,360 are assigning relative value to the different points. Is it are those hits worth 698 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,880 a block, or is a shot worth a hit? Or how much more 699 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,119 is a goal worth? In a peripheral category, things are maybe a little 700 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:05,280 bit more debatable, But I think that's easier to come to an agreement on. 701 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,360 What do you think? Jesse agreed on that this is the eternal struggle, 702 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:16,519 and points versus cats does hit even a different level of complexity when it's 703 00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:22,159 points versus cats versus dollars. Yeah, it does make it difficult, and 704 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,239 I'm becoming I'm coming around to just by the bye, I'm coming around to 705 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,320 the idea that in fan tracks, if you do a category league, you 706 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,559 should weight goals by two assists, two hits, black shots, one apiece, 707 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,679 and then maybe three categories and goalies or four categories, and goal is 708 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,360 basically double weighted so that you can't have somebody Tom Wilson in their way to 709 00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:52,559 beating Connor McDavid because all the categories are created equal. I don't think they 710 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:57,119 are, and I don't think power play and special team points are the way 711 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:01,679 to go. I think you see the effect of a special team's points in 712 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,119 points. Power play deployment equals points, So why are we rewarding We're already 713 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,679 capturing that. So anyway, but that's just a hot take. I'm firing 714 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,480 off into nowhere right now. But yeah, you are right in Victor, 715 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,039 I got cold chills. I was triggered. I almost went into a seizure 716 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,239 when you talked about the idea of people trying to start a league and figure 717 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,079 out the rules on the fly. That is, I agree with you. 718 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,199 You made absolutely the right decision bailing on that league, because I've been in 719 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,599 that before. It's going to end up a horrible experience. Folks, slow 720 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:43,920 and steady. You need to really think hard about even what the dollar figure 721 00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:49,840 is on the cap total. All right, we're talking about cap league construction 722 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,239 today. You can't just throw a random number up there. You got to 723 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,800 think about how many teams are in this league, how much do real NHL 724 00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,840 teams caught. If you're doing a fantasy generator, it don't matter. You 725 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,920 can come up with different things. But if it's NHL generated salaries, you 726 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,360 have to be very careful on the proportion of the size of your roster. 727 00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:14,840 You're going to have more players per team, probably with a higher contract than 728 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,320 real NHL teams do. What should the salary cap be for the whole league 729 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,320 and how should it increase over the years as the NHL salary goes up, 730 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,920 as player salaries go up. You can't just leave it the same forever because 731 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,719 that will be tighter and tighter as time goes on. Anyway, these are 732 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,920 all decisions to make. I love it. Victor never people are so anxious 733 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,559 to draft when you start, because people are so eager. Let's know, 734 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:53,079 No, a little codea before I get into the commercial announcements that I always 735 00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,320 put at the end of the show. There's one thing I did want to 736 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,400 talk about that I've learned in the year since last year. See there's new 737 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,199 material in this show, and that is we started the Diesel four Sport League 738 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,599 last summer. I initiated it. Victor is a part of it in the 739 00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,719 hockey side. He has a partner who deals with some of the other sports 740 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,760 that Victor is not quite as into and doing very well. By the way, 741 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,760 and the salary system we used, I really thought about a lot, 742 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,159 especially after recording these episodes, and I'm really proud of it. What we 743 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:35,000 do is we use real NHL salaries, real NHL term on salaries, but 744 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:39,599 we do allow buyouts. We have two buyouts a year where for the remainder 745 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:45,480 of that year you take a fifty percent hit on the salary, and then 746 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,480 in future years you were completely absolved of the player's salary. And then we 747 00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:57,480 have also the ability we do not have contract pretensions. We've eliminated that as 748 00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,599 part of the strategy. And let me tell you why we talked earlier about 749 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,039 the retentions, the fact that NHL teams do it. We obviously are looking 750 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:10,679 to replicate many of the things that are in real hockey because just like everything 751 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,920 else in our fantasy game, we want it to be based somewhat on the 752 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,599 real sport that we enjoy. Well, what I have been trying to do 753 00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,880 because we've got eighteen managers, actually it's something in the mid twenties, because 754 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,480 there's lots of teams co managed by people won even by three people in our 755 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,000 league. And again eighteen franchises playing across four sports, and three of the 756 00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:42,000 four sports have contracts or have salaries. I should say our salary cap style 757 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,760 leagues football is not because those football people, they truly are insane when it 758 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,559 comes to salaries. Don't get me started. Nobody even knows how the football 759 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:57,519 salary cap works. I'm fairly convinced. Well, what we did was I 760 00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,119 did not want it to be a situation where we were going to have people 761 00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:05,519 come in not figure out the rules, quickly be buried, quit and then 762 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:12,320 leave a team that was so horribly screwed that they have they have years of 763 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,360 a bad contract on their books that they can do nothing about, and effectively, 764 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,880 you know, they're destroyed. So and then also the possibility that somebody 765 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,920 would just be able to create a super team by all kinds of contract retentions, 766 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,719 which I think is, as I said before, something that's possible, 767 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:37,559 so without contract retentions, with the ability to get yourself out of occasionally a 768 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:45,400 contract mistake. And then the third thing is if you pick up an orphan 769 00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,840 team, if you come in, you have a couple of weeks where you 770 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,280 have a complete amnesty to buy out any horrible contracts that you're franchise inherited. 771 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,960 Now I know Victor. I don't want to speak for him because he's not 772 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:06,840 here, but I will I will put up his straw man here because I 773 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,039 know at the outset didn't think that this was going to be quite as challenging 774 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:15,000 as some of the salary formats that were discussed earlier. And that's very valid 775 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:21,519 feedback. If you have an extremely advanced salary league that's going for a long 776 00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:27,719 time and you want to have more and more ways to sort of use things 777 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,920 like the retentions to take up your performance of your teams to a higher level 778 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:36,840 and find additional ways for your teams to succeed. There is certainly something to 779 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,440 that, and to really put a bite, as Victor said earlier, if 780 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,599 you drop somebody, you're on the hook for a salary for a long time, 781 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:50,039 just like an NHL team would be in some ways. But the truth 782 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,880 of it is I was very worried, and we have had a couple of 783 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,000 instances. Well, we've had one instance where a manager dropped out of the 784 00:56:55,079 --> 00:57:00,159 league and left quite a bit of damage, and the team that took him 785 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:04,000 over, I just didn't think it was fair for them not only to come 786 00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,800 in and have to inherit a team that was not likely to be successful right 787 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:13,559 away, but also to kind of be buried for years by the last manager's 788 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,679 mistakes. So I like this. It limits. What the salary does in 789 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:23,159 this case, is it just eliminates the ability to build a super team, 790 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:29,119 right, And that's really what it's about. It's actually what we talked about 791 00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:37,320 earlier that above the bidding style leagues and even above the even above the real 792 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:45,119 NHL salary leagues with the retentions and stuff, you have the possibility of the 793 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:50,519 super team, but having a solid salary cap based on NHL rules and with 794 00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:53,519 the ability to undo some damage while still retaining to bite. Remember, if 795 00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:58,159 you're holding on your own franchise, that's two buyouts a year. You get 796 00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:02,039 yourself right up against that cap. And the cap has set such that a 797 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:07,199 lot of people were bumping up against that cap pretty regularly who were playing with 798 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:12,480 fairly successful teams, and there were still players like Tyler Segan, the aforementioned 799 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,000 who were on the wire. Anyway, it was a pretty good experiment. 800 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:21,960 If people want to hear more about how that was constructed, I can provide 801 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,239 those details for you. But I wanted to add that on to the end 802 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:30,000 of this episode because it's something that I've come to come to think that it 803 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:35,239 was designed in a way that pleased me. It worked out very well. 804 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:39,920 I know Victor might have a different take on that, but I think he's 805 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,039 learned to enjoy it as well. That poor guy plays in so many leagues 806 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:50,800 in every format. So now the commercial announcements fan tracks is the place to 807 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,320 play all of your fantasy sports. Yes, you know that you can have 808 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,079 all the different settings that you want. If you're going to play the salary 809 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,440 cap leagues as probably probably the place you need to be doing it, because 810 00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:06,639 yes, you can push a button after we get close to the NHL season. 811 00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:07,880 It might not be set up today, but when we get close to 812 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:14,599 the NHL season that will input either type of NHL salaries for you. And 813 00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,639 there is a contract thing. There was some discussion in the Fantasy Hockey Life 814 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:22,079 discord this week, which is free, about is there a way to implement 815 00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,840 contracts so that you can see on your screen not only what the salary is, 816 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,760 but how many years are left on that contract, And indeed there is. 817 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:36,239 You can input all of those there's a separate feature. Those are premium 818 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,239 features, right, so you do have to pay to get a league that 819 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,960 does those things. But there's also a free version of Fantasy Hockey on fan 820 00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:50,800 tracks fan tracs. HQ fan tracks has lots of fantasy content. You can 821 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,119 read articles there. Our FHL crew does a great job. Content curator Kevin 822 00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:59,599 Adams, he's going to be kicking into gear because there's a whole lot of 823 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:04,639 prep for the team previews. Ryan Downey, the Tidy Admiral you've heard him 824 01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:08,920 on this show recently. We're going to let him rest his voice our resident 825 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:15,159 opera singer, and be ready to roll over those tidy leagues to the following 826 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:19,639 year. Jeremy v Our lead scout. 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