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There was something that's been in the
news and it involves Taylor Swift, but

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it's not you know, we don't
on this iteration of the show. You

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got to wait for the podcast for
the political talk. So no, we're

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not going there because are we going
to talk about Japan assuring people you can

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come home? But well, so
there's this there's this other issue which is

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not not not political, but the
issue of and we've been talking about this

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on the show a lot. Taylor
Swift has been the victim of a lot

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of people posting AI generated images really
nasty ones. Yeah, and very very

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wrong. This is kind of the
the world we live in now, right,

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So AAR is completely into entertainment.
Where do we draw a line?

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What's okay? Is it okay for
you to use AI to help write your

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music? Is it okay to use
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Where's the line? Like? Where
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does it become the machine? Because
that's what I can't figure out. Is

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it okay? Like I won't go
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I don't want to ever have my
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write it. If that makes sense. Yeah, Yeah, we've talked about

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that. This has gotten to the
point now where X, of course formerly

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known as Twitter, the Verge is
reporting The Verge dot com is a great

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website. By the way, X
is now blocking really Taylor Swift searches barely,

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it says, says your ex's blocked
searches for Taylor Swift in reaction to

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a recent trend of graphic AI fakes
of the world famous recording artists being posted

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to the site. Right now,
if you search Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift

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AI on X, you may see
a something went wrong message. X head

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of business Joe Benneroch acknowledged the temporary
message meant to prioritize safety, according to

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The Wall Street Journal, But it's
very easy to get around, as we

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found out when trying some searches after
performers. Casey Newton posted about the block

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yesterday. Rearranging the words in your
search to Taylor AI Swift and instead of

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Taylor Swift AIS Taylor AI Swift or
simply putting quotation marks around Swift's full name

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both returned results as of this writing. For example, even tacking another word

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onto one of the block search terms
gets results. Also, images still show

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up under the media tab, even
for the terms that are otherwise blocked.

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So where does online entertainment draw that
line? Right? Because X is kind

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of going, oh, maybe,
well, but they're not really blocking anything.

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They're just doing a little fail good
thing where they're only blocking those few

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words. And we all believe that
artist should be able to, you know,

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do and say as they please.
However, where do you draw that

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line when they're when people are taking
artists and making them into sexual fantasies,

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or taking their voice and making their
voice say things they never did, it

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says here. Meta also seems to
be addressing the issue, as both Threads

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and Instagram suggest quote Taylor Swift AI
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boxes, but neither platform appears to
show results. Instead, as of this

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writing, you may see a message
saying that the term quote is sometimes associated

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with activities of dangerous organizations and individuals. Reports have said that Swift is considering

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legal action against the sites hosting the
images, which users said they preferred Microsoft

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designer to make. Microsoft CEO Sadia
Nedella, I'm sure I didn't say that

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correctly, called the deep fakes alarming
and Terrible in an interview with NBC Nightly

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News on Friday, and said he
believes AI companies need to move fast to

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get better guardrails in place. I
I don't know. You know, something

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that I keep thinking about with all
of this is is is the problem the

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core problem? Is it the ability
to do this stuff? Or is it

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the ability to do it so easily
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mean by that is when we're talking
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pictures of Taylor Swift, you could
already do that pre AI, using things

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like photoshop. You know, everyone
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images that later turned out to be
fake, or with like maybe maybe we'll

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talk a little bit too about the
George Carlin lawsuit going on because his family

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is suing somebody over a you know, a quote unquote deep fake of a

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comedy special called I'm Glad I'm Dead. But but even you know, and

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there was a there have been instances
of people's voices, you know, being

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AI generated fakes of people's voices used
in robo calls and things like that.

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But you could do that without AI
too. All you need is somebody who

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does a really good impression of somebody
and just record it. And everybody knows

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people who do impressions. So I
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you can do with this technology.
I think it's how easily you can do

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it and in mass quantities, because
it's stuff you could already do. You

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could already make photoshopped images that look
realistic. You could already have somebody who

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does an impression of somebody, just
do an impression of somebody. So I

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don't think the problem is new in
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this AI technology, it's just easier
than it's ever been. I honestly agree

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with that. Yeah, Like this
stuff's been out for years. You know,

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I'm a child of the Internet.
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and Instagram weren't even a thing and
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be a funnel, there's gonna be
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you can go there and that's where
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been around for a long time.
Deep fakes used to be a big concern

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for people, where they were like
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or like or I think there's actually
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does impersonations, because he does quite
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other ones. Yeah, they morphed
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interview, so it could change,
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or five different times. So this
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time. I don't think there's anything
people can do about it. There's gonna

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be paywalls. I think that'll start
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a few of them that do that
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But there's gonna be companies that go
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unless you like you can try and
rule a regulate it, but it's going

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to be like just they'll switch the
formula, they'll do something that will change,

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or people will pirate that technology eventually, and then they'll just have it

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and it'll just be out there in
the world. It's like it's like three

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D printing, you know, like
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things, but it's become so popular
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kind of keeps people at that at
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right, So unless they make it
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to pirate, I don't think it's
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It's a double edge too, because
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and I like it. Like when
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I'm not upset about it because sometimes
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are gone, which it can I
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stuff, where like it's really cool
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he's singing like three Days Grace songs, right, but it's in his tone,

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with his sound and unique feeling and
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of cool or in like a funnier
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is like Patrick Starr from SpongeBob singing
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sounds horrifically bad, but it's so
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gonna happen that like maybe they do, you know, do a surprise coin

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appearance in the show, but it's
it's just it's never happened and it's not

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something that anyone's going to really get
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then there's other aspects where I think
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that doesn't actually exist. They never
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sounds so damn good that everyone thought
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combatants for it. They couldn't they
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Oh, hello to a Carol Za
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I don't know what you do to
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I can tell you that, well, there are limits though that some

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of the software can put on things. Because we've talked about it, we've

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talked, we've talked about it on
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that event that we went to at
Mosaic about AI and yeah, where a

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number of months ago, this was
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Collective actually held information session where they
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AI and art itself. Yeah,
and I tried to use Dolly three to

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create an image of for a YouTube
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the show talking about the Daryl Hall
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when you enter prompts, it puts
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carl At who ran that event that
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they've they've made the AI resistant to
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tried to make a thumbnail, I
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said, I want a thumbnail of
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ring. Wouldn't do it? I
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stuff. Yeah, so you know, of course you're gonna go all out.

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And like I had a bunch of
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like a one. I tried one
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want Olympus git writing a Yoshi while
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So I was like perfect. I'm
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Bill Gates fighting. Will not do
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was like interesting, you know,
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sense. Yeah, And then I
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Trump and Joe Biden fighting because I
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wouldn't do it. I could get
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all right, I want the forty
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out with each other, and then
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at some point it caught on to
what I was doing because it is smart,

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and it would just not do anything
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interesting how you can do it,
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obsession with gnomes, so I wanted
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and it gave me a pretty cool
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mushroom people riding on like flowers and
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like, in some ways it's really
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ways it's it's very limiting with that, Like the safeguards can also be a

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downside too, because you're trying to
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now you're you're not gonna be able
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of Oats example, the best I
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I got them playing chess, okay, and then and then and then I

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said, uh, I prompted it
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it. So in the image they're
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on their faces and it kind of
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anything violent stuff, it wouldn't do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, now

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do that on X to keep these
deep fake pornographic pictures that would keep all

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the only fans models off. And
that's not gonna make I joke, but

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it's really annoying. Like I I
I'd like to follow. The only reason

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I really have it is because I'm
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a lot of the companies and stuff. I can go click on a trailer

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or maybe I want to read patch
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And ninety percent of the comments is
just only fans crap, and I'm

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not going there for that. I
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could be at work. It's like, oh great, I wish that wasn't

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there. Yeah, and I'm like, that's awesome. So I don't even

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use the app at work because it's
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can't get away from them or their
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had only fans t shirts for sale
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big business. Seriously, these guys
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some lessons from Jene Simmons of kiss
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band Edgewise in the Facebook that sweaking
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edge wid your Edgewise shirt on yesterday. I was wearing manage Wise shirt yesterday.

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Oh yeah, I've ever noticing it. Absolutely. Let's see now the

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other thing too, Now, you
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it because I did kind of here. I heard the interview with I believe

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it was his daughter, right,
yes, yeah, so I heard the

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interview with her. I have not
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George Carland's definitely like, for me, my favorite comedian of all time.

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observational humor that I like now is
like Bill burb But that's like a side

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note. But I haven't heard the
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though, I will listen to it
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I'm imagining it might, but I
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before it. Yeah. Now it's
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right now. I'm going to play
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But cool. So it's called it's
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that I am dead. And it's
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favorites. Yeah, he might actually
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favorite. I kind of go back
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other one? Uh? Sam Kennison
is in there? All right? I

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like that I've kind of I've kind
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Uh, And he's controversial, but
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the family of the estate of George
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uh or I don't know what other
content dudes he creates, but so they

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yeah, so they created using AI. They claim that the jokes and everything

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was was actually written by AI,
although there's some skepticism about that. But

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uh, I'm just gonna play the
beginning of it. I I I pre

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screened this so I know exactly where
the first swear is, so I know

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what point not to go. But
I want everybody to listen very carefully because

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I have an observation about this that
I made I made to Jenny before the

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show. But just listen carefully to
this audio. Here we go. This

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is just like the first maybe thirty
seconds of the special Thank You, Thank

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You. I like to start off
with a heartfelt apology. I'm sorry it

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took me so long to come out
with new material, but I do have

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a pretty good excuse. I was
dead, so technically it wasn't my fault.

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If you want to blame somebody,
you're gonna have to blame God.

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Okay, here's my observation. I
don't think it sounds like George Carlin.

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It sounds like it went with the
earlier days when he was when he came

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out the seven morg you can't stay
on television right, like that era.

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That's the kind of vibe sound I'm
getting because the the older comedic specials he

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had more of a rasp and oh
yeah like that, uh you know your

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as your voice gets older. I
think it sounds much more like it's trying

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to blend those two together. Yeah, and that's why it sounds weird.

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Yeah, I don't think like,
here's the thing, so and and the

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reason I bring this up is because
you know, the family is suing.

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But I I don't know who would
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him. I don't like, I
don't know who would be confused to me?

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What do you mean? You don't
know to me? Right? But

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the title is do you think AI
comedy special? And it's called I Am

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Glad that I'm Dead? So it's
obviously not really so to me, it's

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obvious it's not him, it's obviously, but he's but it's copyrighted material that

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they're taking. It's not copyright,
it's it's it's a I generate. I

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think it's going to fall under parody
law, and I think I think so

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stuff that has been like pushed on, almost ninety percent of those things haven't

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gone through the only one that's like
tentative is like that, like I mentioned

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that that weekend and Drake when that
mine that they might get somewhere with that,

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right, most of it all falls
under parody, right. I don't

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think that you guys are right on
this one. And here's why. Years

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ago I worked on legislation involving the
Salinger family who were trying to protect their

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dad's name because somebody was taking their
dad's image and putting it on things they

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didn't approve of, like foilet paper
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so, and it depends on what
state you're in as to what the law

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allows you to protect. So this
is going on in California. The state

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of California allows I believe it's one
hundred years that the family has the rights

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to that person's image, likeness and
so forth, because you know it's California,

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a lot of stars out there.
So yeah, they got one hundred

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years. So the thought process is
that person's lifetime plus one generation of their

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kids get to maintain control. In
New Hampshire. There is no protection like

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that. When you're dead, anybody
can do whatever the heck they want to

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with, which is why I worked
on that legislation. So this is all

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about protecting your image, your product, because Carlin, he's a product his

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jokes about God. You know,
there's not the new coming up out of

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this thing about that. George Carlin
has made jokes about God in every way,

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shape or form. I can't see
that. I can't agree that AI

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came up with that on its own
because it's classic Carlin. Well yeah,

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but it's gonna draw from well right, it's gonna And that's been a big

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part of the discussion about the family
owns the copyrights to his material and they

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haven't given permission to utilize him.
Well, isn't that the same thing as

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a band playing somebody else's music and
getting paid for it? On this though,

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So I don't know if you ever
got to play around with chat GTP

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before it. Oh yeah, So
I played around with it with one of

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my friends, and we were trying
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possible, like, all right,
I want you to write me a song

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about it being sea shanty, and
it gave very like you know, hoist

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the sails, raise the swords,
drink your beer like all. It wrote

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that I'm like, all right,
I want a wartime song, but in

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the style of a She's anty,
and it did the same thing, but

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it reinvented the lyrics, so it
did come up with all of it on

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its own, for three or four
versus chorus that you could repeat, even

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a little spot for a bridge solo
if you wanted one, and it did

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it all on its own. So
this is not something I had to make

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it right. So it's very very
possible, and even in the world of

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like gaming, like Skyrim is probably
one of my all time favorite games.

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It's a very popular game. There's
a mod right now that you can get

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for that game that adds a follower
where this person can fall you around in

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quest with you, and it's completely
AI driven, so you can actually use

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your microphone to talk to it,
and it will talk back to you as

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best as it can and pretend that
it's in the world and role play with

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you. You can ask like where
you're born, and it'll name some city

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that's there, and then you can
continue talking to the AI and it will

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adapt and learn with you as you
grow in the game. So it's all

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it is very possible that it was
AI driven. So yes, it is

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classic Carlin. But the AI has
all of his stuff to pull from and

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then make it. And that's but
that's the thing. The AI is using

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other people's knowledge to create its products. So what it only can do with

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whatever? If I had an AI
computer and I only gave it the basics

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of information, that's where it's starting
with, and it's going to draw from

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the information I gave it. So
if I feed the AI all a George

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Carlin and it develops this, I'm
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Huh, Asia where they don't have
a lot of copyright protection. What's

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the US going to be able to
do about somebody that does that? Over

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there? Come on, red hairing, red hair there's a whole we're not

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there. We're talking about the United
States copyright law. Yeah, but where

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did due he posts this? Other
than the Internet? Well it's on YouTube?

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Ye, Well, I mean like
from like there? Are they gonna

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claim it? Like it's that?
It? So should they be able to

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make money off of? Only if
Google lets them make money. It has

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to get monetized. They could demonetize
the video and it makes absolutely no money.

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True, unless they have it behind
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We know it's already money. For
all we know, it's already demonetized.

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Most likely it could be demoniced,
like I don't know if there's a

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way for the viewer to know if
the video is demonetized. Usually it's the

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the YouTuber that knows that it's demonetized, and they in YouTube's a very family

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friendly, friendly oriented spot. Now, even if you find rough stuff,

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you can't yell, swear words,
you can't show death, you can't talk

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about stuff in certain degrees, they
demonetize it. I actually don't think this

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is monetized because when I there was
no AD, I didn't have to skip

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an ad or anything. It just
plays. So they're not making any money.

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They're just gonna get views, and
that's not gonna do anything for him.

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Uh Kate said in the chat,
it sounds like the tam Ou version

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of Carlin. The thing is,
if you like that, if you played

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that for me and you didn't tell
me anything about it, and you just

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said to me, Matt, who
do you think this is? I wouldn't

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know. I wouldn't think, oh, that sounds like George Carlin. I

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might think it sounds Carlin, but
that's not enough point. I'm very I'm

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very curious. I wondered if it
grows on you as it goes, like,

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does it turn more into his voice
in your head? Yeah, they

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may have that effect. Yeah.
The bottom line is they didn't have any

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kind of permission to use his likeness
or any of his copyrighted materials, and

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they're claiming that some of his some
of what's in there is his copyrighted material

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is. And it's possible there's specific
jokes that show up that that that that

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are actual Carlin jokes. I can
just tell you, like, for example,

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I did when I first started messing
around with jat GPT, I asked

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it to write a kiss song,
and it wrote, and it wrote,

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you know, it did the They
wrote a song and you know, just

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the lyrics obviously, and it was
it was kind of funny. There were

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lines in there like we we wear
our face paint and get ready to rock

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the stage and just kind of cheesy
stuff and it was fun. And then

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just for the hell of it,
you know, you can add prompts to

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get more specific, or you can
just click regenerate and just you know,

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let it go out of the second
time. So I just did that.

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I just clicked regenerate on the second
pass all original lyrics, except this time

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the phrase I want to rock and
roll all night actually showed up in the

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chorus. Ah, And I thought, Okay, now you're plagiarizing yourself chat

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GPT. But it's because it's drawing
from actual lyrics and the information now an

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actual phrase. So to your point
about you know, you were saying that

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that the family is saying there,
you know, there's actual this actual copyright

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in May. That's very possible.
As well as using his likeness as imaging

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Kelly Carl and his daughter was stated
as saying, quote a poorly executed facsimile

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cobbled together by unscrupulous individuals to capitalize
on the extraordinary goodwill my father established with

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his adoring fans. And one thing
I kind of look at with this thought,

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like the end of the day,
you know, even if the lawsuit

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goes through and passes like that,
it's this is going to be a very

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interesting technology. We're like, let's
say you go into a museum and they're

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doing it's maybe it's a comedian museum. Wouldn't it be wonderful if you could

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go in front of a holographic stage
through and it's George Carlin standing there wagging

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his finger at you, saying things
in his voice and his likeness, and

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you've got just a glimpse of that
history, and that's what's going to that's

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where it's already heading. Like a
couple of the museums I went in DC,

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they had holographic people standing in front
and but granted, this isn't like

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there's no way we're gonna have have
the voice of like George Washington, but

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as people dressed up as like all
these colonial people and all that. But

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it's like they're moving across the screen
that you can't really see it, just

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it seems like they're actually there.
So if they do that with artists like

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the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, how cool would that be to go

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to the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame and there's Grand Master Flash and then

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they're and there with you, Gene
Simmons, and they're all hanging out with

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each other, sounding exactly like themselves
Like that, that's the beauty of the

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technology and it's and it will get
there because this is like our our stone

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tablet. It's gonna be years from
now. Well said it like that.

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That's kind of where I view it. So you know, you can be

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upset. This was clearly made not
to you know, belittle George Carlin ry.

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This is somebody who likes and that's
why he put it's an AI thing.

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And I think the title is actually
really clever. Yeah, I do

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think that is a George Carland inspired
title, whether the AI came up with

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the title or the or dudes he
did agree. I think that's a I

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think that's a funny title. That's
definitely something I would click on. If

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if George Carland could come back from
the grave and make a title, that

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would be a definite way to absolutely
I agree. I agree, And yeah,

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I'm definitely gonna listen to the whole
thing. But it's gonna be hard.

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Yeah, it's gonna be hard for
the family to prove harm if it

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was made out of love, especially
right you know, if he really does

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feel bad, maybe he'll take it
down. But but I think this is

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a person probably experimenting with AI.
I'm curious if this guy actually has more

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than like this one long video or
Yeah. I haven't had a chance to

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learn what the likes come through,
learn more about him, but I'm very

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curious. It'll also be interesting to
see what they give for a response.

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Now, the defendants haven't shoot any
kind of statement in response. They haven't

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put in their oh what do they
call it. They haven't done their response

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to the lawsuit to the court yet. Yeah, so we haven't seen anything

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from them, so it'll be interesting
to see what they come up with.

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Yeah, you know, as an
answer to this, do they have a

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legal leg to stand on? Is
it right? Well, here's a question

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for you guys. Is it in
your opinion when an artist dies, should

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that be it anybody fair game?
Or do you think they should be able

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to bequeath the rights to their image
to at least one generation. I don't

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know, only because I remember years
ago when I was a kid, there

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was the holographic display of Tupac Shakur
rapping, and it'd been years after he

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had died, and people were really
upset about it. But at the same

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token, there's not another rapper that's
anywhere close to Tupac's level of greatness other

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than like I mean, you can
reference Biggie, but obviously he's gone too,

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but that was alive at that time. So it's one of those.

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And another one that came up to
i'll, you know, discrepancy society.

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Michael Jackson another one, also the
same person that had a holographic thing done

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with his likeness and image and everything
like that. But he's considered the king

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of pop and it was done not
out of malice, but because it was

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cool to see somebody of his time
and greatness the display across the stage.

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So I think there should be a
grieving period. Like I think it would

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be too soon if, like,
say, some who's he just passed,

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Carl Robinson, Carl Weathers is that
his name? Oh yeah from oh he

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paid a played a Paulo Creed in
the Rocky movie. Yeah, yeah,

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so he just passed, Like,
maybe not do a likeness with him right

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away, you know, give give
some time, but a couple of years

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down the road. If it was
something done in kindness, why not,

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you know, as long as it's
not somebody doing it out of malice.

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I don't think people have an issue
with like the Taylor Swift photos clearly done

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out of malice people don't like that. Not a lot of people are a

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fan of that. But if it's
done in kindness, I don't think people

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are gonna have as much a issue. Yeah, yeah, it will be

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very interesting. I can see this
kind of going either way, but I

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think most likely, I don't think
the family is going to be successful in

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there. I think it's very possible
they will be successful because they're suing in

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California, where they have more legal
legs to stand on. It makes sense,

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but I don't know if there's a
precedent, though there's already precedent since

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well, I mean around the rest
of the states, though, well,

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every state is different. Like I
said, in this state, the minute

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you die, nobody has anybody can
do whatever they want to with you.

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In California it's a hundred years.
In some states it's fifty or seventy five.

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So I'd be okay with it.
Like myself personally, I wouldn't be

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upset somebody managed to copy my voice
and make something net of it. Okay,

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why not? All right? Fair
game? You say that. This

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is what I said when I was
up there talking about it across from the

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conquered State House. As an adult
store or there was. I don't know

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if it's still there. There was
an adult store, So the minute the

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governor passes away, his face can
show up in that adult store on something

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very unokay, and the family would
have no control or rights to make that

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go away, right, I mean, you think that's okay, and let

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I well, we'll put a clause
in there. If you write a will

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that says it's not okay, then
it's not okay. But if you don't

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write a will, fair game.
But that's put on the Yeah, I

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see, here's what we're talking about. The daughter has controlling rights over his

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copyrighted material. Yeah, well,
it'll be we gotta we gotta wrap up

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this segment, but it'll be very
interesting to see where this goes conversation.

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Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely