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Mmm, Hello, it is Tuesday, twenty four, twenty fifteen. You

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are listening to the Giant Bomb Cast. I'm your host, Bratt Schreemaker.

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Hello, Jeff Kersman, Hi,
I'm here. You're just looking at me

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over this monitor. I'm super confused. Why because you said it's Tuesday,

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the twenty four, twenty fifteen,
and no month, and I'm just like,

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that's a really future, far outway
to talk to it. I really

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just say that, what if we
got rid of months and we just knew

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what day of the year it was
Wednesday and the two hundred and fifty six,

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Yeah, of twenty fifteen, That's
totally works. You could, you

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could deduce the date. But here
we are now, now we're too deep

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in I don't think I can start
over. Nope, I'm not doing this

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again. I mean I could start
over, I had I in fact have

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the authority to start over. Yeah, but I'm not gonna Okay, I'm

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gonna own this Mistakebruary February. It's
February, okay, for now, for

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now, not for much longer.
No, it's uh, it's it's about

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to be both March and also light
when we're leaving the office again. Yes,

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it was apparently daylight saving time starts
in like two weeks. Yeah,

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they keep stretching it out because it's
you know, it saves money for energy,

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and I don't know what. I
don't know if there's a downside to

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daylight savings. It's awesome. It's
lighter later. Is that a good thing?

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Though? Yeah, you turn on
the lights later in the day because

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then then you don't use as much
you know, energy efficiency? Is that

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what you're in for? Yeah,
I'm also in for to cause you're hitching

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your wagon too. I mean,
I care about I do care about energy

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efficiency to a certain extent and all. So when I drive home and it's

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pitch black outside, it's soul crushing
to me in a way that I'm I

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don't like. I could see that
now. It's gonna be dark when you

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wake up, though it already is. It's already mostly dark when I wake

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up. What time do you wake
up? Draw six thirty If I'm running,

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okay, it's definitely gonna be dark
for you. Yeah, it's already

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pretty still pretty dark at six thirty
though. Yeah, but by the time

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I get out, because I wake
up at like sevens coming up in this

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kind of it's still gonna have like
eight thirty and it's probably still gonna be

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light out no matter what. Yeah, it works. That's Dan Rager Andrew

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stan rounding out this podcast. Still
these still feel the need to say everybody's

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names every week. It's good.
I mean, just in case you have

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to assume that every podcast is someone's
first. That's fair. Yeah, that's

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fair. If this is your first
podcast, congratulations, I've remember you've started.

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You've embarked on a very important journey
and maybe the most important journey of

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your life, life changing vision quest. Here. I just hope that you

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already know what month it is,
yeah, because you're not gonna get that

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here, Nope. But yeah,
I don't know who brought up right before

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this podcast started that Daily Savings flips
over the Sunday that we're at packs a

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week from Sunday, which is the
day that most of us either are getting

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up early to be on that wrestling
thing and we're flying out like it's yeah,

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what nights are panel probably gonna still
go wrong. Friday night, still

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be drunk when the time change happens, Like it's a weird just perhaps not

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the ideal night to lose an hour
of sleep. No, that's that's the

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real bummer. But then again,
what night is No, we're all gonna

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live and we're gonna move forward.
It'll be all right. Yeah, we

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got it. We got this,
Brad. Do you know what night would

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be great to lose an hour?
Would be when you're doing an extra life

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I don't think that count you're doing. Ay, Oh, it totally does.

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It's still twenty four hours. I
experienced the reverse. Then, yeah,

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I went eight to eight that time. I just did twenty five hours.

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Yeah, so what if I did
twenty three? Yeah, you have

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to make up for extra time.
Wait, you have to just do it

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for twenty four actual hours, regardless
of worth the clocks. An, you're

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ruining my fantasy. Well then you
just say we're gonna do it for a

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full day eight to eight, never
say twenty four hours. Maybe they won't

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notice. Yeah, that would be
great. M uh hello, it's podcast.

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Hello. Who had a nice weekend? Yeah? Everybody? Yeah?

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Somebody? I watched Demolition Man.
Oh yeah, man, that is a

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really good movie, isn't it great? Oh? My god? Have we

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all seen it? You haven't starting
to be a wet blanket below? Okay,

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I have seen it. Yeah,
I've seen Demolition Man. I had

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never seen it and it is right
on my alley. It is just such

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a stallone movie. His name is
John Spartan. Yep, yeah, that's

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his name. I took notes on
the things I liked here, John Spartan,

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What are you taking notes on while
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after I was done because I have
to write down everything, right. Just

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yes, the Seashells thing that everybody
kept tweeting to me, the Seashells thing,

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And now I get that joke.
That's funny because you sat back and

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breathed a deep breath and then jotted
all your thoughts down. Yeah, all

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right, what do you got?
Okay? West Snipes was amazing. I

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realized I've not seen nearly as enough
Wesley Snipes movies. I've seen Drop Zone

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a billion times. Other than that, I think I saw The First Blade

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once and it was all right.
I don't know if I've seen any The

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First Blade is a Stephen Dorff film. He was good in that. He

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was good. He was in that
he kicked a syringe into him and he

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blew up. Yeah that's cool.
Yeah, it's that movie actually good.

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I can't remember I saw it in
theater. Say yes, yeah, I

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have a I have a picture of
Stephen Dorff from the Blade Press kit up

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on a wall in my home.
From what how did you get a Blade

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Press kid? You know, I
don't know. Stuff happens, you know,

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you end up with things like here's
this picture of Stephen Dorf. Well

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we probably put it on a wall, right, yeah, I mean that's

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what you do with pictures of Stephen
Dorff. Right, let's be honest here,

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Okay, when Wesley Snipes, first
of all, his name is Simon

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Phoenix, and he's a horrible criminal
who who rises from the ash. He's

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actually in cryosleep, you see,
and he comes up and starts his reign

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of terror again, but in an
age where all the cops have gone soft

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because there's no crime any more,
and they have to go back and unthaw

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John Spartan, who's been wrongfully cryo
imprisoned of course, to come back because

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all the cops are too soft.
And future San Angelus that's the name of

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it, right, Yes, San
Angelus sounds right. Yes, I think

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that's right, isn't isn't the whole
concept there that the city spans the entire

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length of California. Yeah, it's
like it's like the same concept in Blader

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Runner and Dread the City One thing
or whatever. Really Yeah, Yeah,

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Wesley Snipes give gives Benjamin Bratt a
attitude adjustment, which is John Sanna's finishing

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move through a table at one point. Sure, when Wesley Snipes moves around

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when he's doing his little rants,
little record scratch sound effects happen all the

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time for no reason. Yeah,
it is what a good movie. It

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is a grill, should you say? The way he dies is like a

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rebellion leader Edgar friendly and he kind
of just plays Dennis Leary. He's really

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good names in this thing. Dan, tell me about the restaurants in this

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world. They're all Taco Bell,
although I heard that there is an edited

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version where there's some copyright thing and
they're all Pizza Hut, which is that's

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one of the same company. It's
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Taco Bell didn't exist over there at
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No, they're they're Taco Bells here, which is great. Yeah, everything

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about this movie is great. Sylvester
Sloane, sorry, John Spartan refers to

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having sex as doing the hunka chunka. I like that. That's a funny

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way to talk about having intercourse with
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they do by putting on like little
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and you just get like weird VR
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while you're having sex or just sitting
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Can I talk about how what's this
knives dies? I think? I

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think to this, Okay, if
you don't want to look you know,

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Okay, if this is the first
time you've listened to this podcast. It's

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an action movie made in the early
nineties, you know, I think you

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know you're about to be exposed to
the end of Demolition Man. Oh,

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I don't know that. I think
think about the experience you just had.

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It was great. I was like, try hard not to cheer in my

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seat on a date. This was
a date. By the way, Are

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you sure you want to Are you
sure you want to rob others? I

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mean you already so, I think
you already tactically spoiled it. Well,

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this is what I love about action
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that's always what I look forward to
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guy die at the end. It
has to be like ever since, Like

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die Hard is one of the first
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that's awesome. He just throws him
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SlowMo and he yeah, that's great. That's my favorite thing is how the

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bad guy dies each time, And
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Like do you remember Nope, Okay, I'm gonna say it. Okay,

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Okay. They're in the same place
where they did the cryo sleep stuff or

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whatever, and so all the like
technology for freezing water is there, and

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there's water sprain everywhere, and there's
a mechanical stuff flying around everywhere. The

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technology for freezing water, well,
yeah, that's like this crazy cry no,

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it's this crazy drop of blue stuff
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immediate ice cube. So Wesley Snipes
has like a trident or a spear or

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something, and he's about to kill
Stallone, who's on the ground, and

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Stallone finds the thing with the cryo
thingy in it and breaks it, and

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right before the thing hits the water
and freezes everything, Stallone rabs this like

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claw game thing that's going around the
room for some reason, and so it

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just freezes. Wesley snipes completely like
he turns into an ice cube, and

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the claw game thing moves Stallone around
in a circle. Stallone says, heads

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up and then kicks Wesley snipes frozen
head. It flies off his body and

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lands on the ground and shatters into
a million pieces. I don't think he's

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coming back from that one. He's
fucking dead, like really dead this time.

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No cryo sleep, His head's gone. It's a good one. And

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then the movie ends and Sting wrote
an original song called Demolition Man that is

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terrible that plays over the credits.
I love everything about this one. Wow,

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you should play the three We should
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D O game. I didn't know
that was the thing. Do we have

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the technology? I think so?
Yeah, Okay, that sounds like a

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contender for you. PF have we
done that? Yeah? An FMV game.

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It's there's there's elements of real characters
in it. Stallone's in it,

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yes, And there's just this bad
maze level later on where you just hear

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just it's his plead, his plea
kind of over and over again in a

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really shitty way. It's it's a
bad fucking I seem to recall. At

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the end of the movie, it
is left ambiguous whether Sandra Bullock is Stallone's

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dog. I hope it's not ambiguous
because it's heavily implied that they're gonna go

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do the hunka chunka right, and
they do, wait, where are you

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getting this daughter stuff from? Well, because he did have a daughter when

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he was frozen and his wife died
in the like whatever eighty seventy years or

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whatever, he was frozen, Yah, where's my daughter? And like,

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they don't really say what happened.
And I saw some people tweeting to me

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that Sandra Bullocks's daughter. There's no
way I know that's ye her, yeah,

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yeah, which is weird. But
I think there's some other like they

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look up police records or something and
someone goes like, oh, huh,

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I hope that's not the case.
I could be. I would think it

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would be the eighty years separating him
from I don't think. I don't think

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the child. I actually think he
would have been eighty because somebody refers to

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him in the future like, oh, some eighty year old cop comes around,

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So I think maybe it was like
forty years or something, because it's

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set in like twenty thirty, twenty
forty something like that. Still we're talking

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about it pretty young. Sandra Bullock
here, she's probably like mid twenties.

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Yeah. Yeah, So I'm always
going to listen to Twitter's advice on awesome

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movies now because I bought all these
movies that people keep saying I need to

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see. Well, if people sent
me The Raid and The Raid too,

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I bought The Rundown and Heat and
uh man bout Demolition Man. So I

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got a stack of movies at home. So this was your own, your

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very own copy of Demolitian Man that
you wish. Yeah, I'm trusting man.

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If you're you're out there buying movies
site un scene, that's impressive.

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Dan has a highly curated DVD collection. It's a pretty good collection. It's

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really good. Yeah, yeah,
it's great stuff. Is Demolition Man based

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on anything? Thanks? Thanks?
I think I always get it mixed up

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with Costallan was in Judge Trid also
right, and that definitely is a comic

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book. Yes, yeah, Man
has nothing to do with anything, I

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don't think so, just the product
of some some fucking deranged mind. Spit

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that out, and at one point
Stallone tells a guy, a bad guy,

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like, oh, you just made
the decision. You're gonna regret your

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entire life all two seconds of it. Stop shelf stuff. It's really good.

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That is something. Yeah, that
movie is not only like can't be

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good. It's like just a fun
action Yeah. There are actual, legitimately

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a good movie. Oh yeah yeah, Rob Schneider's in it. Great.

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Yeah, like you know, it's
almost like a buddy cop movie like that,

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And that and Judge Dredd are set
in the same universe, so Job

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Schneider's Sylvester Stallone CE Dredd is not
ju Dretta is not campy good. Judge

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Dredd is a bad action movie.
Why is it bad? I enjoyed it.

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What's what's bad? What definds a
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was like twelve and I saw in
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I just remember thinking like that was
stupid. And then I saw the

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New Dread and that was awesome.
Fucking Armadasante picks up the gun and the

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guy goes like, ageah, you
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goes, most judges fucking blazes the
guy with the gun like he's supposed to

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be Sylvester Stallone's brother or something like
that. So he goes through the whole

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movie just that's how Wesley Snives kills
the crazy cult leader guy and uh and

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and demolition man is he can't kill
him because he was bringing watching the cry

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asleep. So he throws the gun
to Jesse Ventura, who doesn't even talk

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in the movie. He just shows
up near the end. So here's a

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gun, Jesse Ventura. He shoots
the cult leader guy and then they'll throw

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him into a fireplace. Sounds effective. This movie is just nothing but cool

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stuff happening like every two seconds.
Thank you Twitter, Thank you everyone that

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ever told me to watch this movie. It would have blown my mind.

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But it blow my mind when I
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It's great. That intro scene is
pretty good when he like jumps off

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of a helicopter into a burning building
or something. Yeah, yeah, because

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he's got hostages in there. And
that's why John Spartan gets framed is because

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they think that he blew up the
building to get Simon Phoenix. But also

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there's like thirty or forty kids in
there from a bus that all blew up,

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so salone was really a good guy
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Oh man, what's what's his name? John Matrix in Commando? Yes,

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John Matrix, which is previously maybe
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is like the peak action dude name. Yeah, is it? I mean,

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is it really? What about John
Rambo's good? What's the Jack Slater

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from Last Action Hero. That's a
good one, but that's a parody,

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So yeah, John Rambo's good,
John Spartan. Everyone's just John Mary and

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Cobretti. That's pretty good. It's
Cobra from Oh yeah, right, he

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cuts his pizza with scissors. Yeah, while watching Toys Rust commercials. It's

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a cool movie. There really are
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know that you mentioned it. Tango
and Cash are good names for buddy

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cops. One of them has got
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Man. There's a lot of good
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good that's true. That's why I'm
a film study. Yeah, but you

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would, yeah, voice of Authority, You're you're definitely. Yeah, the

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authority on Yes, cinematic excellence.
Yeah, you have a degree. I

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do sing in on Birdman any day
now. I actually kind of want to

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see that. I kind of do
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he is it Cannon? Okay?
So I mean so he plays he plays

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an a actor that used to play
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that was supposed to be is that
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man like piecing together what I assumed
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from the scenes they were showing.
I was like, Oh, this movie

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is a metaphor for Michael Keaton's career. Is that what you're saying? Because

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I don't I didn't know anything about
what the movie. It is an actual

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but is it? Is it really
real Birdman or did they invent some kind

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of fake dumb bird Man? What
is I could represent Batman, forgive my

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ignorance, but what is real Birdman? There's a there's a superhero name bird

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Man. There's a car straight up
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Harvey Bird. So that's I was
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Yes, I think it's actual bird
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Who owns Animar Barrow or somebody.
I don't know, is it if?

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cartoon on the on the scale of
like Spaces and stuff like that. Okay,

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a bird Man, the whole thing
super campy and never broke out of

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the camp Yeah, so probably not
a super valuable property. So maybe they

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could actually secure it for a movie
like this, right, but then it

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got you know, while you got
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attorney at law for Swim and all
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the Birdman on the movie poster looks
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I don't know, I don't know
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know. As I think the movie, it was not apparent that. Okay,

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yeah, we should ask a Birdman
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Yeah, he would probably who fucking
hates Birdman? Oh the movie. He

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seems to hate it so much that
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see what the hell. Well,
it's available and blue ray, but I

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don't know. We'll save the Oscar
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yes, yeah, you have had
more serious around, way more, way

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more to say about the Oscars.
Oh yeah, okay, Oh we had

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serious Yeah, we had scheduling conflicts
with the OSCAR for in fact, that

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is not an appropriate topic for this
venue. You've got your own I know,

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I don't. You've got your own
fucking quarantine to go wallow in your

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filth. We had a sting to
watch. But yeah, and and wallow

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in filth, make no mistake.
Oh yeah, it is what we did.

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Oh yeah, I could tell go
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fun trying to parse Twitter last night? Wow, you watching the Oscars?

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Yeah, so you're watching the Oscars. I was sitting there explaining to my

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girlfriend. I was like, half
the people on this on my timeline are

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talking about the Oscars and the other
half talking about fucking wrestling, both equally

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shitty. Was really yeah, because
I ended up catching the last hour or

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so of the Oscars after that ship
was over, and and seeing little bits

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and pieces of it a long way. My girlfriend was in one room watching

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the Oscars. I was in the
other room watching not the Oscars and anything

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else, the concessuses. We both
lost. Yeah, Like she was just

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like, this is fucking terrible,
and I'm like you should come out of

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here and see this bullshit. So
I watched the Oscars every year, and

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I'm rarely glad I did. It's
not a good show. It's never a

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good show. It's all those things, Like I feel like it puts in

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stark contrast, like you know,
all the people that have complained about like

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all the Spike vgas aren't It's like, no, man, fucking awards shows

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are terror shows are generally pretty bad. Yeah, a billion people watch the

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Oscars and it's still a terrible show. Who hosted last night Neil Patrick Harris,

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which as I, well, yeah, I mean no, no,

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He's done the Tony's lultiple times and
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super safe, just not. It
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long. I didn't dislike last year. It was last check on Stewart.

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Think that was right. I want
to say she did a really good job,

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didn't she. Yeah, yeah that's
right, she was all right,

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She's bad. Yeah. I was
sitting there afterwards, thinking like who,

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who the fuck would be crazy enough
to actually take this on? Much less

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spartan Yeah, sure, Okay,
yeah, I watched I've watched Stallone host

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the Oscars. Sure bring Letterman back. Uh, Like I realistically, I

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don't know who you throw with that
thing at this point, Kimmel, Do

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you think he could fallon kimmel Man. No, I don't. I don't

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watch Kimmel. I don't know if
he's any good lately or not. I'm

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just like thrown out some ideas.
McDonald. Yeah, there we go.

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Now we're talking. You know,
it's got to be somebody who reelis play

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has a shot. I would think
that Fallon would be like the type that

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would do that. Yeah. Yeah, you can see you can see him

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ending up on that thing. Yeah. Sure, Uh yeah, I don't

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know hard to say. Yeah,
uh Jeff, hello by b H laying

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on me. Video games are another, uh core pillar of our cultural our

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shared cultural experience that's right in this
day and age. It's another touchstone,

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yes, or cultural touchstone all of
us. I was flipping channels a little

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bit last night and I saw that
The sixty Minutes was all about the life

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and career of Bob Simon, and
I was really bummed because I wanted to

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watch that. Yeah, this is
another thing you no, no, it's

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on CBS. It's sixty minutes.
Man, Why weren't you able to watch

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NBC? No, I can't get
INNBC. NBC broadcast out of San Jose

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here, it's been broadcast further it
comes further away, dude. I mean,

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if you care about like broadcast television, like the story about why NBC

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doesn't know it is broadcast out off
of fucking Channel eleven. It's delicious.

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It's pretty fucking great. Oh it's
delicious. It used to be Channel four

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and Channel four with the ship.
Oh war is so great? Is the

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best and the worst? Man?
Is just like they lost they lost the

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rights to be NBC. Yeah,
so they were the n here. No,

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uh no it well you do it
just it emanates out of a channel

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that that was based out of San
Jose like there are why weren't you able

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to watch it? Brad? Because
this is a different He has an antenna,

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and his antenna can only pick up
local signals because it's not something on

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a rooftop. It's just strapped to
his fucking wall or something. It's a

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little sheet of plastic with some wires
in it. So this is a completely

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separate issue from why I didn't watch
sixty minutes, which is which is that

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it was third on the list of
important cultural events that I felt I should

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witness, behind one in our hearts. Fine fine CBS television program. It's

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it's still some pretty fine reporting.
I bet I don't know. And that

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guy lived his life pretty much continuously
in war zones, which is pretty commendable.

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But anyway, Kron, just check
it out some time, kronkrawn,

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k r O, n Channel four
good name think about it. They think

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about it. They were the NBC
affiliate for a major American city and then

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they lost their affiliation. I don't
know that could happen. Yeah, I've

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never seen it in my life.
Yeah, but I don't know if I

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was even here for it didn't happened
a long time ago, right, not

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that long? Well? Okay,
yes, I mean yes, now,

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good ten Yes, at least at a

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good ten good decade or more.
Can four was just NBC when I was

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growing up? What ye like?
How does that even happen? I forget,

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I forget what the actual circumstances.
But they're still in the air.

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They're still in the air, plugging
away at news there's a lot of news,

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like a lot of news. There's
a lot of law and order.

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Uh and for a while a lot think

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of a lot of the long time
personalities that were there back when it was

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NBC. Like a lot of people
got out, but the people that were

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still there got this really bitter edge
to them that was pretty watch just like

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what the fuck. I forget the
main anchor's name, but she was reporting.

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It was just a little like end
of the segment, like forty five

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second piece about something that NASA had
announced, and she just flat out basically

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said, like why are we talking
about this? Like like I'd rather report

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on blah blah bah, like like
they just do not give a shit like

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that. It is. It is
a pretty rough and tumble operation. It's

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probably changed since they probably get people
in there they're up and comers that yeah

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they're there. There's a little bit. It's not network so you know,

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even with it being in this huge
fucking market, it's still not network TV.

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So it's like the best you can
do is get people out of college,

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hope that they stay there long enough, and then they go like,

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hey, there's a job up the
street at Channel five. I'm gonna go

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be on real TV now. The
things everybody they are, they are all

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right around there. Yeah. Like
when we worked in the Financial district,

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like channels five and seven were like
a block away. Yeah yeah, uh

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man, local network TV. Now
we're getting into it that and you know,

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not the real name that is the
Yeah yeah, they're MACLA long time

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I believe CBS anchor. Huh.
I'd love to read like a good tell

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all book about like the ins and
ouse, just the operations of a local

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network TV station. My roommate was
working around Chrown four at the time of

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its dismemberment, and fascinating stuff.
Chron four sounds like a planet in Star

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Trek. It is also, it's
a really sly way to talk about weed

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coboy trying to get that Channel four. The Channel four is held honey sticks

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and stems on the Channel four teleradics. Oh man, what have you been

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playing the order? I mean I
haven't been playing the god I almost the

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order to leave the room? Uh
yeah, the order. Yeah. It

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was a weird, weirdly time release
because we had it in here. I

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guess it was the like the Friday
ish Thursday or Friday, right before the

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week came out. Yeah, but
they didn't actually come out until Friday,

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so we missed it on last week's
podcast. Yeah, and then it came

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out even though you had already finished
it at that point, right, Yeah,

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it did not take long. Yeah, there. Then the reviews hit

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Thursday, so reviews were up,
you know, before the game was out,

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and h yeah. Yeah. The
Order eighteen eighty six it's an alternate

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historical take on eighteen eighty six and
King Arthur's Knights where they are kind of

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brought forward, you know, like
like they are, you know, able

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to live beyond normal man's lifespans,
blah blah blah, and you know you

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end up with them, you know, you end up with Knights with guns

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kind of, which is like an
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which is a less interesting premise.
Wolves still a threat. And then

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the werewolves are called lichens, which
is not necessarily a common term, but

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Underworld used it. So it's like
did they just watch Underworld and go like,

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now we'll call them lichens too,
Like I don't understand that part of

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it. Yeah, I've only seen
like Castlevania use liking like is there a

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difference like their likings and werewolves.
It's you know, it's alekanthropy is the

404
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.640
term for wearawolves actual condition. Yeah, but you're right, I think that's

405
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:17.119
specific medical terms. Yeah. God, but the yeah, like shortening it

406
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:21.519
to like it a specific term that
happens in fiction right all the time.

407
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.039
I mean, let's not to say
it hasn't ever appeared anywhere else other than

408
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.720
those two things, but I mean
I think they used it in the title

409
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:27.960
of one of the Underworld movies,
right, yeah. I mean if you

410
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.920
go google likns you get a bunch
of Underworld pages that is absolutely true.

411
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:34.839
So I thought that was a little
strange anyway, that that doesn't matter.

412
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.400
The third person cover based shooter,
it's like a Year's War style game.

413
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.880
Yes, you know, weapons selection
on the dpads, which the grenades on

414
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.359
the dpad all the cover based shooter. Yeah come yeah, Like it's it's

415
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:53.279
that kind of game they've been in
in eighteen eighty six where Nicola Tesla is

416
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.079
providing nights with uh guns, the
shoot lightning. Yeah yeah, all kinds

417
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:02.240
of gadgets. They've got a little
shoulder mount than radios. Yep, radios

418
00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:06.279
do some good walk and talk a
little bit of WNT talk way more walk

419
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.440
than talk. Yes, yeah,
that is for sure, which it does

420
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.880
sometimes even when you're not like actively
talking this one on the radio. It's

421
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.279
just big chunks of that game.
We're like, yeah, you gotta walk

422
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.160
slow through this building, right,
Yeah, you're looking for something. It's

423
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:18.920
like, no, I'm kind of
not. Yeah, like, no,

424
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.680
no, you're looking for so I've
so I've noticed. I don't know if

425
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.039
you've tried this, but even in
the sequences where they forced the walking speed

426
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:27.799
down to the lowest level, you
can still click the stick to jog.

427
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.000
You can do, yeah, a
little jog, but it won't go.

428
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.920
It's not a full run. Yeah, once there's an enemy in the area,

429
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.480
if you hit that, you are
sprinting full speed. But yeah,

430
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:38.039
you can never go a decent speed. Yeah. So it seems like,

431
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:41.640
you know, like they're trying to
make this atmosphere game like you know it

432
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.200
kind of they show their cards right
out of the gate. The whole game

433
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:52.240
is letterboxed literally in like not even
the metting everything screen nothing. Yeah,

434
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:56.359
so the whole thing is presented in
kind of a wider than wide screen cinematic

435
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:03.720
I assume it's too cinema scope,
but I don't know, I couldn't maybe

436
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.960
for sure think I guess I couldn't
tell you for sure if that's the actual

437
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:12.240
No, only only chapter three was
shot on Imax. I'm sorry. And

438
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.960
I don't think the game like like
for starters, like, I don't think

439
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.640
the game takes advantage of like I
don't think the game is cinematic enough to

440
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.680
warrant that approach, And it generally
seems like they're just kind of cutting off

441
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.640
parts of the action and like,
you know, like cynically you think,

442
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.079
like, well, they're probably doing
that to keep performance up or something so

443
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.240
they don't have to render as much, or you know, whatever it ends

444
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.960
up being. It just I found
the letterboxing to actually get in the way

445
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:41.240
of the action, and not at
any like benefit to the look of the

446
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.799
game. It doesn't look cinematic.
It just looks like, oh, I

447
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.200
can see less of my legs than
I feel like maybe I should be able

448
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:51.160
to see sure, or the action
feels slightly more claustrophobic here than dust in

449
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.960
the air. That's right, well, you know, I mean you can

450
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.480
you can see how it would come
in handy in the cut scenes where they

451
00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:00.400
chose how to frame being presented within
within the aspect ratio. But you're like

452
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.519
the argument about like, oh,
they're trying to make it more cinematic completely

453
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:07.599
breaks down when you have free control
of the camera. Yeah, and I

454
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.519
don't even know that the cut scenes
are I mean, it's a it's a

455
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.599
great looking game. I think does
the character models look fantastic, that the

456
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.839
environments are really detailed in a nice
way. But one the one thing I

457
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.799
can say confidently about the order is
that I wish more games look that good.

458
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:26.720
Yeah, but that's not enough.
It's a short game. It took

459
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.359
me probably about six hours to get
through it, which you know, that's

460
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.279
not necessarily too long, too short, I guess, But it's that there's

461
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:36.720
nothing else to the game to do, ye and no real reason to go

462
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.160
back and play at a second time. It's not like it's not like it's

463
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.119
a co op game. It's not
like it has alternate branching paths for you

464
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:45.559
to go back and see. It
doesn't sound like you'd like it better if

465
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.119
it was twenty hours. No,
No, definitely, it does not have

466
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.240
twenty hours with the mechanics. I
mean, it's in it's six hours it

467
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:55.599
repeats mechanics that we're not great the
first time. So that was the thing

468
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.920
I was sitting there thinking as the
hubbub about the game's length was going on

469
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.160
about it, you go at this
time, that's such a black and white

470
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.279
where I was like, I was, like, I thus on everything I've

471
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.720
heard from the people who've actually finished
this game, like they didn't want it

472
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.079
to be longer, Like the length
is not the problem. It's more of

473
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.079
the content. Yeah, you know, it's again like they're going for the

474
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.680
cinematic approach, but there's not that
much story in it, and what is

475
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.640
there is kind of blandu. There's
like an interesting premise, like the setup

476
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.759
I think is kind of cool of
this whole, like you know, oh,

477
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.640
they're the you know, the her
Majesty's Order, the Knights of the

478
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.319
Round Table and all the stuff like
HARKing back to King Arthur but brought into

479
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:37.640
this weird almost steam punkish alternate alternate
pass Like there's there's something to that,

480
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.359
And I've gotten deep in enough that, like, you know, I've even

481
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.640
seen a little bit of like politicking
within the Order, yeah, kind of

482
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.599
disagreement, you know, like some
of that stuff seemed like it could be

483
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:51.000
promising, but it's so slow to
get started and it doesn't finish in a

484
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:55.440
satisfying way. That's probably the most
damning thing I would say about it is

485
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:56.960
like, you know, if if
it was like a game where they focused

486
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.039
on the story over gameplay, you
could agree with it. But you're like,

487
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.480
oh, okay, well, I
mean that's a valid approach, but

488
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.119
they don't nail the story either.
You know, Like the gameplay is pretty

489
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.720
drab. It's you know, third
person cover based shooting intermingled with some quick

490
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:17.759
time event style action, you know, AC action. But that right there

491
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.519
on its own does not dissuade me
from Yeah, it's that it's like it

492
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.720
kind of does me though, Well
I think I think this award does all

493
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.559
of that action better. Yes,
Okay, like think about, like I

494
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.359
don't I don't want to turn this
into just like here's the bullet points that

495
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.400
a game of this type needs to
have. But like, think about what

496
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.240
kind of package Gears was by the
time three rolled around. You're right,

497
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.319
think about how much was in that
it doesn't necessarily know. But my point

498
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.039
is that no one aspect of the
order is done well enough to like hit

499
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.920
all of its marks. You know, the story is not there, the

500
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.279
gameplay is not fully there, the
you know, the length of it's not

501
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.559
there. That the value proposition is
a little questionable based on you know,

502
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.839
kind of just not having any additional
mode. And I think of what I'm

503
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:06.119
saying is that none of those individual
parts make me say like, well,

504
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.079
then I'm not playing it. But
added together the fact that you say this

505
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:15.319
is a boring game, that is
what makes me never totally yeah. And

506
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.480
that's the thing is, you know, like there's the story kind of deals

507
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.319
in like info dumps to a certain
extent, Like you know, at the

508
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.400
opening of the game, you don't
really know exactly the nature of your order

509
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.599
and what kind of what's going on
or even what you're really fighting, uh

510
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.640
my understanding. The only reason I
feel comfortable talking about Where Wolves at all

511
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.200
is I understand that they've been prominently
featured and kind of the pre release stuff,

512
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:37.359
but you know, at the outset
of the game, you don't really

513
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.839
actually know that even that's there.
Well, you talk about the the info

514
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.799
dump stuff, and there are entire
chapters to where I don't know, it's

515
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.160
probably considered spoiler if I say how
many chapters there are like you know,

516
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.720
okay, there's fifteen there's sixteen chapters, and like there are at least two

517
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.079
or three I want to say where
there's like literally no gameplay, because when

518
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.480
I first saw sixteen chapters, I
was like, all right, it seems

519
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.160
length the issue if those are even
moderate length. But then there's some where

520
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:07.880
it's like, oh, chapter eleven
or whatever is just a ten minute cuts.

521
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.480
It's literally just cut scene. Like
when you say literally no game play,

522
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.920
you don't even move or you don't
even move a character forward. Yeah,

523
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.400
you see a couple of interactions between
some characters, and then it's like

524
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.519
chapter or twelve or whatever. Huh
man, that's rough, because I even

525
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.440
thought there was there was very little
to do in the first couple of chapters

526
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.480
that as far as I've played,
because and maybe I mean, you know,

527
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:30.079
the that game needed another hour or
two on it, or to be

528
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:37.759
more efficient with its storytelling, because
it doesn't end in it like it ends

529
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.920
at what I feel like is somewhere
around the end of act two of its

530
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:45.400
story, and it leaves behind like
a hanging thread, but not one that's

531
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.240
like so compelling or deep enough that
you're like, oh, clearly they'll make

532
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.160
a sequel to go after this thing. No, it's more like, why

533
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.720
wasn't there just one more hour of
like we're gonna go stamp this out and

534
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.759
then maybe then maybe reveal something that
that hangs people on for for another game

535
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:07.720
or something like that. Like it
just stops. And even in the like

536
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.839
gameplay sections, it's so restrictive as
far as you bring up like Gears of

537
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.359
War and Gears of War, at
least you could kind of attack things the

538
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.759
way you want to attack things.
And Gears of War there's different guns and

539
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.680
stuff, and you can pick up
different guns on the battlefield here, but

540
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:22.079
there are very obvious segments where it's
like this is the segment where you should

541
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.599
use this gun. This is the
segment where you have to sneak around and

542
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.279
if anyone sees you, you're immediately
dead. It just feels like it's this

543
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.519
guy, do have like instant fail
stealth? Yeah, you know, and

544
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.039
like it just you know, if
you're spotted by a guard, it cuts

545
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.279
to a close up shot of your
character's head and then you get shot in

546
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.200
the face and then it just goes
black and rest and it's like it just

547
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.599
feels so out of time, like
this weird, like how did this game

548
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.319
make it out in twenty fifteen,
Like that mechanic in it, like it's

549
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.240
it's I say in the review,
Like it just feels like the game feels

550
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:01.000
like it came out of some alternate
historical world or LaserDisc games where somehow like

551
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.839
revered and continued on. You know. It's like this just conceptually a really

552
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.800
strange thing to have in this game. Yeah, That's kind of the primary

553
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.440
thought that I've had from everything I've
like the little I've played and everything I've

554
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.079
heard about the game, is that
it feels very much rooted in like the

555
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.239
ideals of the last generation of consoles, which were you know, it was

556
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.199
kind of the first generation where the
like the super cinematic, really nice looking

557
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.159
game kind of came to prominence,
you know, like when the graphics gotten

558
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:30.440
good enough that you could get away
largely on like experience or whatever you want

559
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:31.639
to call it. But yeah,
but but I feel like I feel like

560
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.320
the industry has moved on from that, Like, yeah, I don't feel

561
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.719
the experience of playing this is up
to par, Like it it feels lackluster

562
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.239
compared to its contemporaries. It feels
lackluster compared to the big games of its

563
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.119
type from the past generation of consoles, Like it just doesn't hold up right

564
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.079
by any of those metrics. But
even if the only thing you can say

565
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.639
about it is well, parts of
it looked really great. But even if

566
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.760
they were really successful what they were
trying to do, like, would that

567
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.320
be enough? I don't think it's
In this day and age, you know,

568
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:00.880
at least you could say, like, hey, you know, they

569
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.800
went for something and they nailed that, Like it may not be what people

570
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.880
want, but you know they made
a complete thing. This just feels like

571
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:14.800
they headed in that direction and couldn't
get it done right for for one reason

572
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:16.840
or another. Like it just nothing. No one part of it comes together

573
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.360
well enough to be like, oh, well, I see what they were

574
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.800
trying to do and say it's just
like this weird mess. I don't know,

575
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:23.920
Yeah, it just it kind of
exists off to the side to me

576
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.880
in this world where everything else is
trickling down from like Minecraft and Skywrine right

577
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:34.639
right, like everything else is big, dynamic, robust, like procedural.

578
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.000
You know, there's like everything else
is about creating these big, repeatable,

579
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.559
like interesting, dynamic experiences and like, here's this kind of like artifact from

580
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.239
six or seven years ago that is
literally just you walking in a straight line

581
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.800
shooting everything in your past. Yeah, I'll give you that. And like,

582
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.639
I don't think that that's damning on
in and of itself, Like I

583
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.920
think there's plenty of room for that
style of game that doesn't have to be

584
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.519
all emergent and all fucking I'm gonna
build my own way or you know,

585
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.559
it's just a waiting style of game. Yeah, but I'm waiting for like

586
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:05.519
a Call of Duty campaign without the
other modes that make you care enough about

587
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.159
a Call of Duty games. I
feel. I feel like even even Call

588
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.159
of Duty, I feel like,
is more interesting to play than what I've

589
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.719
seen of this. Yeah, any
the shooting in this is so by the

590
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.559
numbers from from what I feel,
it's it's another game where they make pistols.

591
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.400
I mean, you know, headshots
are really powerful and pistols are really

592
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.360
accurate or or specifically like most like
two of the three pistols you get are

593
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.280
you know. So it's it's another
one of those games that I felt like

594
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.360
I was just shooting my way through
it, one shot at a time,

595
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:31.920
one head shot at a time.
Well, how do you get that like

596
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.960
red dead aiming thing where you can
press a button when a meter is filled

597
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.320
up and you just kind of like
move the stick to point of the guy

598
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.760
and just keep shoot him until he's
dead. So I feel like that mechanic

599
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.079
it was terrible in this game,
Like it never really seemed useful. It

600
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:45.559
always felt like am I even hitting? Like what's you know? It never

601
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:51.239
felt like I was like some fucking
super badass. It's not to hit it.

602
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:52.039
Yeah, no, it's not extra
Yeah, I mean, even to

603
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.119
put it in the context of games
where the core gameplay, like what you're

604
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:59.760
doing is inherently valuable. There's stuff
like Halo out there where the combat is

605
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.239
the value is. You know,
it's like playing the combat is and itself

606
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.559
very interesting and rewarding, whereas in
this it's like it's largely just a glorified

607
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.400
kind of shooting gallery and then move
on to the next cut scene. Yeah.

608
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.519
I mean, the most dangerous thing
you face in in the order is

609
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.519
a man with a shotgun, because
they tend to wear armor and they flank

610
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:20.079
you, and the shotguns do a
lot of damage. So it's just about

611
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.079
the werewolves that does it. They're
they're they're I mean they're probably yeah,

612
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.159
I've I've fought werewolves. That's kind
of rhetorical question. But it's like they

613
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.840
run at you and you shoot them
and then you oh lay your way out

614
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.679
of them with a button press,
like you roll away from them when they

615
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.880
get close, and then you go
just shoot them and then do a canned

616
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.599
animation over their body to stab them
to death, like a canned execution thing,

617
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.960
you know, like they're You face
those things like two or three times

618
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.360
over the course of the game.
It's and you don't face them alone with

619
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.280
other humans. It's always like that. There's that first time you face them.

620
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.199
It's like you're in a box and
there are three of them. That's

621
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.480
how it is every time. Yeah. Wow. Also that's really early on.

622
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.079
Yeah, Yeah, they did the
same exact scene basically near the end.

623
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.360
It's just there's three of them in
a room and there's like a bigger

624
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.079
kind of boss mechanic where you're sort
of moving, but it's kind of a

625
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:08.000
quick time event and that's repeated again
later on, and that's not fun the

626
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.360
first time either, and you're like, why would you hang your entire game

627
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:15.599
on this mechanic. It's not fun. It's like like repeating it doesn't make

628
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.519
it better, you know, it's
it's just one of those things like this

629
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.199
was a There are so many There
are a lot of bad ideas being executed

630
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.639
in the order with like some level
of prowess, which leads you to wonder

631
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.039
like is was this the plan all
along? Or did It's like you've read

632
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:31.880
out of time and have to go
like, well, we're gonna have to,

633
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.000
you know, make the second boss
fight exactly like the first one,

634
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.679
I guess, because that's that's what
the time we got. I just it's

635
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.159
really crazy that this game exists in
the form that it exists in because it's

636
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.519
nuts. It just you know,
it's so repetitive and and that's the thing

637
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.360
that you know, one of the
one of the other things that really stands

638
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.400
out is is just top to bottom
man good voice acting looks really nice,

639
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:01.079
but everything about the way you play
it it's kind of ab you know,

640
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.559
anything you do when you're you know, the the shooting is fine. Yeah,

641
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.000
there's nothing broken about the game.
I mean, everything works and everything

642
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:10.320
it looks good, but it's just
for how little it's trying to do.

643
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:14.760
I would hope that it's Yeah,
well yeah, yeah, I at no

644
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:16.719
point in the five or six hours
had any fun with it at all.

645
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.960
Did you finish it too? Yeah? I beat it. It's it's not

646
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.519
a good game. It's unfortunate.
Yeah. I interesting interesting like premise and

647
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.320
setting, you know, like that
first reveal trailer that when did they god,

648
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.599
when did they show that that was? Was that a VJA A couple

649
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.599
couple of years? Maybe it's been
a while. It feels like it's been

650
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.599
I know, I agree with Jeff. We've talked about this about how when

651
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.599
they first started showing stuff like that
thermite gun and everything, it was like

652
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.320
for the first time they had it
playable, was was I guess it was

653
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.280
E three last year, Like right
before you three, I played it's the

654
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.840
it's the sequence of the game where
you get the thermite gun for the first

655
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.599
time. Yeah, I played that
too. Of two times. I think

656
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.199
yeah, and you go like,
oh, this isn't like it. It's

657
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.440
my first I pick up the I
pick up the controller, it's my first

658
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.840
time playing the game. Like that
little sequence up to the cut scene where

659
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.199
you use the thermite to burn through
the little fucking thing and walk through that

660
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.280
door, like that's the playable chunk
that they had, and maybe went a

661
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.960
little bit past that, but not
not too much further. It did.

662
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.480
Actually, yes, it went a
little bit past that, and you're like,

663
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.480
oh, this thermite gun is really
crazy, Like you're shooting dust at

664
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.559
people and then and then following up
with these flares that ignite the dust.

665
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.079
Like it's like a fucking ratchet and
clank gun in this super realistic world.

666
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.880
It's like this really weird gun.
That'd be cool, you know, like

667
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:30.239
give me a bunch of weird guns. That's one of two weird guns.

668
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.559
Because because you're your assumption in that
context at a trade show is like,

669
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.199
well, if this is what they're
choosing to show me now, like imagine

670
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.320
when they're holding back. Yeah about
there. Holding back is like a lightning

671
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.880
gun you have to charge up to
shoot that. It's no fun to shoot.

672
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.920
And you know, standard pistols,
machine gun, shotgun stuff that you

673
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.719
know is not great all with no
upgrades whatsoever. It's not. Again,

674
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.840
I was totally hoping for Ratchet and
Clank in that setting where it's like a

675
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.880
bunch of crazy guns with a bunch
of crazy like upgrades and stuff. Now

676
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.719
there's two kind of weird guns,
one bullets or lightning crossbow bolts. Do

677
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.079
you wanted to chain together on enemies
or you want it to be an AoE

678
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:08.719
like Yeah, yeah, I'd like
it if I had a little more stuff

679
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.639
like that. But yeah, the
arc lightning gun sucks. I do like

680
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.039
to throw my gun, but you
get it twice and you can't upgrade anything.

681
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.480
There's one stationary sequence where you get
a like a rocket launcher with infinite

682
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.639
ammo. Yeah, there's one.
There's like a rocket launchery type thing that

683
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.719
you've had a couple of guys drop
that I've never found useful. There's a

684
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:29.039
machine gun where you can like shoot
air into someone's face and it disorients them

685
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.840
for a second and you kill them. But again, it's just man none

686
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.079
of the stuff. I don't know. It sounds like the problems with this

687
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.599
game are more fundamental than just a
lack of variety in the weapons. Yeah,

688
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.400
anybody who goes through that game,
I can't imagine how they would say

689
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.159
that. If it was a twenty
hour game, it'd be better. Like,

690
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.800
it's just a bad game no matter
how long it is. Yeah,

691
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.840
it's odd. It's an odd release
to me in twenty fifteen twenty minute and

692
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.519
three demo for that where you know, like just thinking about all the games

693
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:59.079
that are the biggest games these days, sure, like the industry has largely

694
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:02.800
moved on from this kind of like
thrill ride like theme park roller coaster type

695
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.559
cinematic things like I think it.
I think that not quite maybe, like

696
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.679
yeah, I just I'm just not. I struggle to think of any other

697
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.360
like real big marquee releases like this
nature right now. I mean, like

698
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.880
for better or worse, Like I
don't think those games are always great or

699
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.880
those campaigns, but like you know, Call of Duty campaigns are very much

700
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.360
that kind of like plow through this
thing full of set pieces like battlefield campaigns

701
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.280
and very much that. Well again
though, like how can I put this,

702
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.480
Like by lacking, by lacking all
of the peripheral features that those other

703
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.960
games have, Like this game is
basically making this confident statement that like,

704
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.880
hey, our thrill ride is what's
worth showing up totally, and it's not

705
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.039
like those games. Those games acknowledge
like we need a bunch of other modes

706
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.000
to keep this game at some point, like you know, like it it

707
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:50.360
transcends price and you're like, is
this thing worth your time? And it's

708
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.079
like, like my answer at that
point, it's like it's still just like

709
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.079
no, not. I mean there's
nothing, there's nothing so crazy here that

710
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.639
you absolutely must see it. It's
not because I mean, you know,

711
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.679
let's let's be on with ourselves.
Were still like buy and large. We're

712
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.360
in a world where video game writing
is not up to par with other forms

713
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.079
of fiction. Sure, Like I
struggle to think of a single video game

714
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:12.039
story that in itself is the reason
to play a game. Well, I

715
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.280
mean, you talk about these other
modes and everything, and let's like like

716
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.239
Uncharted and the newest tomb Rader for
example, Like they had other modes,

717
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.719
but I never touched multiplayer really an
Uncharted or tomb Rater. Just those pretty

718
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.559
linear campaigns. I thought that was
worth it for that kind of throw,

719
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.119
right. I thought they did that
well. And they even have their occasional

720
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.320
you know, QTE or whatever,
but they were interesting. The game player

721
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.519
was more fun. Oh that's the
thing. I think, Like, like

722
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.480
those games are games where you can
make a case that the combat that the

723
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.760
you know, there are more options
in what you're doing because I mean,

724
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.239
again, take place in a larger
world I think, you know, like

725
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.440
the combat and like the action and
combat in that most recent tomb Rader,

726
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.519
Like, yeah, it was a
linear path through the story, but you

727
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.599
felt it felt more open. Yes. Not only not only that, because

728
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.519
there were areas that were much more
kind of rounded and you can sneak around

729
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.760
if you wanted and stuff like that, but they also broke up the action,

730
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.679
like I think, I think they
were way too heavy on the uncharted

731
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.840
and not enough tumb rating in that
game. But at least there were some

732
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:08.679
tumbs to raid, you know,
yeah, like there were interludes where you

733
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.559
weren't fighting people, you were,
you know, kind of picking your way

734
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:14.960
through some cavern or like you know, you were moving through a forest,

735
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.159
like there were other things to occupy
you besides just like, well, all

736
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.280
I've seen in this game are literal
shooting galleries where the level design isn't even

737
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.360
such that you could like flank enemies
realistically if you wanted to. Yeah,

738
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.039
it's literally just like get behind these
five cover points that we laid down and

739
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.480
pop off headshots until you can move
on. And the idea of like a

740
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.840
side thing in the order is like, oh, here's a room that's a

741
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.000
little off the beaten path, which
you know isn't even really that much.

742
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:42.679
And you'll find a photograph and like
an audio canister or something in it,

743
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.639
like that's it. Yeah, nothing
can do pick up this, like find

744
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.119
three parts and put it in a
machine. No no, no, no,

745
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.199
no no, there's there's this whole
mechanic in the game of like sometimes

746
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.800
you'll see paperwork or something on a
desk and you can pick it up and

747
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:59.079
look at it and they've rendered it
at a resolution where you can read the

748
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.280
newspaper if you want and that,
but you don't you know, you know,

749
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.880
like at no point or you're needing
to do any of that. And

750
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.360
like so so every single thing you
pick up, like none of it is

751
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.880
interesting in any way, Like some
of the audio canister stuff, like you

752
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.320
know it's audiologs and there's something there
to that. But like in terms of

753
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.679
like here's a photo and you look
at it and like you can roll it

754
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.760
around in your hand a little bit
o style, Yeah, totally, like

755
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.320
you can hit the button to flip
it over, and there's never anything interesting

756
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.920
on the back either, Like there
wasn't one thing where you like gain real

757
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.320
insight into anything about the Yeah,
like every every piece of paper you pick

758
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.719
up has the prompt to flip it
over, and then like two or three

759
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.800
times I flipped the thing over and
it was just blank on the back.

760
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.000
Yeah, Like why is that options? There? There's stuff where like you

761
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.519
know, like you are kind of
forced to pick up some things sometimes and

762
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.519
it won't let you put it down
until you've rolled it around in your hand

763
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:47.159
for a while. Happened to me
with the fucking come on, yeah,

764
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.639
come on, what are we doing? Yeah, I had to roll around

765
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:52.880
an apple in my hand for a
while before it said okay, you can

766
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.800
hit circle if don't want to look
at the apple anymore. It's like,

767
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.320
I think I'm done looking at the
goddamn apple. Nice looking objects though,

768
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:04.360
sure, yeah, but fucking come
on objects, phone and look at I've

769
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.239
just spent well, you know,
at a certain point, you're it's kind

770
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.119
of academic, but you're kind of
You could look at it from the angle

771
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:12.920
of appreciating the amount of work that
went into every single piece of the game.

772
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.239
If it mattered, like oh,
you're right, it does. If

773
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.199
if it was good enough to be
like a thing that was great unto itself,

774
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.119
then outstanding. If it's stuff that
like factors into the other parts of

775
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.559
the game enhances your enjoyment or the
your depth of understanding about the other parts

776
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.159
of the game, then that works
as well. You're You're absolutely right,

777
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.119
like I'm you know, at a
certain point, what I mean is that

778
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:35.360
you're having to abstract out meaning that
otherwise isn't there. You know, like

779
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.320
I spent a bunch of time walking
around Tesla's lab just looking at every piece

780
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.320
of equipment on the tables. Yeah, because like like they are better looking

781
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.599
door knobs in that game than like
some other entire games that are out on

782
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.239
the platform. You know, Like
it's insane how much detail isn't everything?

783
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:52.280
Yeah, but to no end is
what I'm saying, right in service of

784
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.559
nothing other than kind of establishing a
world. But it just yeah, it

785
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.599
doesn't even establish a world that well
because the premise, the story is not

786
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:06.119
rich enough to back it up.
Yeah. So I you know, there's

787
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.960
a review of that on the side. Quick look if you want to see

788
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.079
some of it in action, and
you haven't yet, but it's it's a

789
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.679
it's a strong, strong disappointment.
Yeah, it's a shame, but uh,

790
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.320
I guess we'll see where they go
from here. Yeah, I don't

791
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.159
know, Like it's like where are
we at with and I don't even know

792
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.639
who they is in this case ready
don sony like console makers, I don't

793
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.079
know, Like what is a Marquee
console release in twenty fifteen? Well,

794
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.199
you know, like what's what's announced
out there that you know that we know

795
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.159
is being worked on as a first
party published game. I mean, you

796
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.159
know, like there's Halo five,
Charted four, Uncharted four. I think

797
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.320
is you know, probably the big
one. Sure, certainly one of the

798
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.400
biggest h blood Borne. Yeah,
like kind of a different case since it's

799
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:55.639
you know, uh, not quite
a Souls game, but sort of trying

800
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:00.239
to scratch that itch. Like it's
kind of its own thing, you know.

801
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:01.559
I guess we'll find out a lot
more D three, but yeah,

802
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.440
yeah, when we presume, we'll
see some more announcements of games and stuff.

803
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:07.719
But yeah, you know, in
terms of like big Marquee things for

804
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:14.000
twenty fifteen, so you assume Crackdown
would be out No Man Sky, No

805
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.679
Man Sky. Yeah, Like that's
such a weird different thing. I mean,

806
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.159
I guess I'm more kind of approaching
this for like, you know,

807
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.800
games, that fit the uncharted Halo
hold of like big traditional marquee titles,

808
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:29.559
not you know, hey we made
this big emergent thing, or hey we

809
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.599
made this game that appeals to you
know, you know, the people that

810
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.079
like the Souls games. Yeah.
I think that's that's kind of that's kind

811
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.199
of the subtext when you're looking at
how expensive the order must have been to

812
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.960
make in terms of art, It's
like, there aren't many games that are

813
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.599
like now that like, the consoles
are powerful enough to make games that look

814
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.000
that good, But how many budgets
are getting green lit that allow for that?

815
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.679
And if if that's the case,
does the budget then chew up so

816
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.039
much? Yeah? You know,
does the do the visuals chew up so

817
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.800
much of that budget that you can't
make a great game to back it up?

818
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:58.079
Like we don't you know, we
obviously don't know what the processes we're

819
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.280
behind this game. But I totally
had that thought of, Like, I

820
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.639
mean, you know, it may
not be an either or situation, but

821
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.519
I totally thought of that. I
Mean, I was playing that game and

822
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.440
I was like, is this the
price we're gonna pay for games that look

823
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.559
this good? They're like they're going
to be this kind of single minded about

824
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.719
what they're doing. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

825
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:17.119
I hope not video games, Jeff, anything else. I played a

826
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.960
little More Dead or a Live five
Last Round. Yes again, something managed

827
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.800
to avoid the spots where you lose
your saved data so far. So is

828
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.840
that just an Xbox one problem or
both? No, that's on everything.

829
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:36.199
All four platforms have one issue where
if I mean and you'll never you know,

830
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.719
if you set the language to it's
like France or German or Italian.

831
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.519
Basically any of the figs in e
figs I think and play certain tutorial missions,

832
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:51.199
it crashes and tosses your saved data. Wow, Like the Team Ninja

833
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.280
Twitter account is just this constant string
of warning. Here's another thing. It's

834
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.119
broken with our game, man,
I don't know. We're working on it.

835
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:02.480
Thanks, and you know it's stuff
like you know, they're they've made

836
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.360
a lot of cosmetic DLC over the
you know, in the past, for

837
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.719
the p S three versions like for
for Dead or Life five Ultimate that then

838
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:13.760
carries forward into this and you can
buy all that for like ninety three dollars,

839
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.119
which you know, it's cosmetics,
so kind of who cares. But

840
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:20.440
at the same time, like the
store is clogged up because there's a free

841
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.639
version of this game called Core Fighters
that gets you four fighters and no story

842
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.920
mode and also this stuff, and
then you can buy individual characters and the

843
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.039
story mode and also other stuff piecemeal, or you can just buy the game

844
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:37.840
for forty bucks and get all that
stuff, but not the costumes, but

845
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.159
all the stuff for the free version
shows up in the store for the disc

846
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.800
version. So it's just this cluttered
mess and you're like, well, which

847
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.159
of these can possibly apply to me? Like it's it's a it's presented incredibly

848
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:55.719
poorly, but whatever. It's it's
a it's a DA game, And I

849
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.039
happen to think those are fun a
lot people do. Yeah, and it

850
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.679
looks nice. It's basically the same
game, right yeah. Yeah, there's

851
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.599
a couple of new characters and it
still has the virtual of fighter fighters in

852
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.280
it and stuff like that. Like
it's it's cool, it's broken, Like

853
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.719
I can't. Like the night it
came out, I was able to get

854
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.559
an online matches just fine, and
haven't been able too since. So I'm

855
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.480
not gonna sit here and say,
like run out and buy DA. I

856
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.480
would say wait until they patch it
a couple of times, maybe try the

857
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:25.480
free one to see if it works
for you, and and you know,

858
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.599
go from there and hope for the
best. But I don't know it's it's

859
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:34.000
all right, but it sounds like
it's absolutely the smart move if you want

860
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.599
it, to buy the disc version
and not by not buy end of the

861
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.719
micro transactions. If you know you
care enough about DA to want to have

862
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.599
multiple characters at your disposal. I
mean, the characters are four bucks a

863
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.840
pop, but the disc is forty, so at some point like yeah,

864
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.920
I mean, buying the forty dollars
version of the game just at some point

865
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.760
makes sense. So you know,
work that and roll that around in your

866
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.239
head, do the math. The
story mode the same as the last DA

867
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.400
five release, so if you've already
seen that on a different versi the game,

868
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.400
maybe you don't need it again.
If you only play as one character,

869
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:07.079
maybe you could get out a light
four bucks or no bucks if you

870
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:09.639
play as one of the four that
is in the main thing all right,

871
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.679
dead or alive? Dead, are
alive? Still trucking? Still yeah?

872
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:20.920
Still still ban yeah, which plent
anything besides the order. Uh, I

873
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:22.960
won't drag you guys know another conversation. But I beat Major's Mask. So

874
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.440
done with that, okay, yeah, done with that. I didn't hold

875
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.480
up, didn't hold up, did
do everything you wanted it to do.

876
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.880
It was I enjoyed it more this
time than the first time. And uh

877
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.519
yeah, you would say that.
I was just it was great. Hey,

878
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.039
I before I, before I played
this one, I was not nearly

879
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.880
as evangelical about that game as I
am. Now. I appreciate it more

880
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.679
now, I like it more now. Yeah, I was sad to see

881
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:46.599
it end. I really had a
great time, you know, like four

882
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.920
masks and everything. I sat in
on the Quicklick with you, and it

883
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.760
was a pretty good primer for Yeah, like I knew about the bombers,

884
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.400
no book, but you know,
learning the ins and outs of all the

885
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:58.639
other stuff they streamlined and changed from. Its kind of nice to see.

886
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:00.639
Yeah okay, yeah they were really
thought about how to make this more pleasant.

887
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.159
Yep, yep. So I won't
I won't get on my major of

888
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:06.440
soapbox, but if you wind up
playing it, Brad, i'd love to

889
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.519
know. Like I said in the
quick Look, you know it's a it's

890
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.880
gonna be a good Packs East game. Yeah, for travel and stuff.

891
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.159
Outside of that, I am playing
today. I started playing the first episode

892
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:21.480
of Resident Evil Revelations. Did we
talk about Kirby last week? No,

893
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.960
we didn't. Last week was the
weird week of you guys had both finished

894
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.920
games that you could talk about.
That's right, Yeah, because they were

895
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:32.320
in Margot until late in the week. That's right. Herby fuck man old

896
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:37.039
down so thrilled. Man. I
liked Canvas Curse a lot. That was

897
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.320
the remind me that was the that
was the very original DS. That was

898
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:43.440
one of the first dsk if there
was two thousand and five. So DS

899
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.760
came out like what November of two
thousand and four, something like that,

900
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.440
And so for the longest time,
it was okay, we've got ports,

901
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:51.000
so we've got Mario sixty four DS. Great, that doesn't really do anything

902
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:52.639
with the hardware, And the only
stuff that really made use of the touch

903
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.360
screen, two screens and stuff was
like feel the Magic x x x Y

904
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.800
and such a gimmicky micro games or
ports. It is pretty much all you

905
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.679
had. So if you owned a
DS, you wanted something to be like,

906
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.119
oh, here's why I bought this
thing with the touch screen and Canvas

907
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.199
Curse was one of those first games
that really did that, like it used

908
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.800
the stylist stylis only controls and stuff, and it was a great game of

909
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.559
it was cool, it was awesome. Yeah, And I looked back at

910
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:20.599
my old review of that from ten
years ago or whatever, and it's so,

911
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.599
yeah, I really really enjoyed that
game, and this one any of

912
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:30.280
that magic or charm or it just
feels soulless this time around. The gameplay,

913
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.960
it's very repetitive. They don't do
many varied things with like Kirby had

914
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.719
powers and stuff in Canvas Curse,
he could do the traditional Kirby thing of

915
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.360
like oh I beat the spark enemy
and so now I've got this, I

916
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.280
could do the spark power. This
one, you can't do that. Occasionally.

917
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.440
You're still drawing stuff with the stylist. So you're drawing, Yeah,

918
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.320
you're drawing a clay rainbow at this
point, and you're still moving them around

919
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.119
like you would in Canvas Curse,
which the level design is not great.

920
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:59.239
There's no really interesting like enemy encounters, the boss fights are. They recycle

921
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:01.599
a lot of them and they're not
good. The first time Brad, I

922
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:05.880
had to call you and Jeff in
a separate times for the same boss that

923
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:07.719
was just driving me fucking nuts,
because they require some of them. This

924
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.440
one hoop Lagoon I think is his
name. It requires this kind of precise

925
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:16.280
level of control that just with the
stylists, Kirby does not react well enough

926
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:20.840
for you to be able to reliably
fight this boss. So you can do

927
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:23.400
multiplayers. So I had Brad and
Jeff jump in with a pro controller at

928
00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:28.079
separate times and play it like a
real video game and hit melee attacks on

929
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.880
him. Man, it's it looks
gorgeous. I love the clay style,

930
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:35.320
the art styles fantastica. The clay
stuff looks really great. That going around

931
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.840
looking real good. But yeah,
a very good game. Oh and if

932
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:39.199
you know what, if you're watching
someone play this game, you can look

933
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:43.079
right at the television screen and then
it look nice and HD and everything.

934
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.159
But if you are playing Kirby and
the Rainbow Curse, you are looking down

935
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.280
at that game pad one hundred percent. Yeah, that's the most damning thing

936
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.719
about it to me. I gotta
look at this low rez screen. It

937
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.760
looks gorgeous. I love the art
style, but man, yeah, you're

938
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.639
always looking down there. Yeah,
I mean, you know, if the

939
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:57.239
game were good, the game,
the game would be good, like it

940
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.239
would be worth playing, regardless of
that. Of that, but it's one

941
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.239
of the many complaints I have.
That's that's just adding insult to injury at

942
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.199
that point. Yeah, it's a
seven worlds, three stages each with the

943
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.119
boss fight at the end of each, which you know a lot of them

944
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:14.360
were cycled. Did I say that
it's forty so it's not even a full

945
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.079
priced here really, but it's not
worth forty dollars. It's very short,

946
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.960
man. It's some crapping and collector
in a few treasure chests in each level,

947
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.039
and some like diary pages. But
uh no, I I did not

948
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.280
like that game at all. Why
they got to do Kirby like that?

949
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.280
Yeah? I love Kirby? Would
Kirby ever? Did anybody just like to

950
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.920
eat the mall? Kirby's like the
Last Man Standing and Nintendo mascot characters.

951
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.280
That's like great and fresh and amazing. It still has a lot of you

952
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.360
know, potential, still feel good
about Kirby. Everyone else has been in

953
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:49.199
too many games. Mario has been
in too many games. Yeah, Mario's

954
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:51.960
Mario. I mean, you know
what Mario can do yeah. You know,

955
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:54.719
like Kirby seems like he could be
in any kind of game and do

956
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.760
anything. You know, Kirby can
be in a pinball game. Yeah,

957
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.199
Kurby can be in a golf game. Okay, any game with a ball

958
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.800
all basically yeah, yeah, or
any kind of platform. Like I just

959
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.320
look, you, guys, I
just fucking really like Kurby. Okay,

960
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.159
Kurby's pretty great. Kurby's pretty fucking
Yeah. He swallows dudes, turns into

961
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.199
them. Fuck shit up, that's
Funby's fucking fun. He collapsed like on

962
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.679
the top of his head because it
stumps go over there. Yeah, that's

963
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.199
great. But man, yeah I
played a little bit of this too.

964
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.320
Fuck no, it's it's no good. What did you think of the three

965
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.880
DS game the most recent one,
oh, Triple Deluxe. Yeah, I

966
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:30.960
like that one. Yeah, that's, you know, way more of a

967
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.000
traditional Kurby. Yeah that is an
actually eat everybody in and steal the powers

968
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.800
game. Yeah, it totally is. I mean, I guess the one

969
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:37.719
like gimmick or whatever is that you
can like shoot yourself in between like the

970
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.079
different planes like the foreground and the
background stuff on some levels. But yeah,

971
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.280
it's it's just a straight up Kurby
game. Looks good, plays good,

972
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.880
it's good, all right, good, this one's not good. Shap

973
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.760
that is not good. Yeah,
it's not good that that game is not

974
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.079
good. And no one ever talked
about Kurby Triple Deluxe. So yeah,

975
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:54.920
that one. I remember that one, just kind of coming and going.

976
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.280
He came out in a weird time. There was some other stuff on the

977
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:01.960
three DS Mario Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, if you're just looking for

978
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:05.360
something to play on three D s
and you like platformers or Kurby games,

979
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.960
Triple the Luxe is overlooked. What's
the new one called Kirby and the Rainbow

980
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:13.159
Curse? Rainbow Curse? That's right, okay, don't play that one?

981
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.360
No, all right, good to
know, yep. And then yeah,

982
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.599
Reside Evil. I had a chance
to play maybe an hour of it today.

983
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.199
The first episode they're doing the weird
Okay, what is the actual full

984
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:30.280
name of this thing? Resident Evil
Revelations two episode Episode one? Okay?

985
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.519
Is this something that has never been
released before? Is this total? All

986
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:37.320
right? It is gonna be episodic. Each week they're gonna put one up.

987
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.679
It's gonna be four main episodes and
two bonus episodes, not even not

988
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.719
even like a direct sequel to Revelations. It's more of a spiritual what what

989
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.159
is it revealing? What are the
revelations? You know? Like and not

990
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.360
necessarily saying like, hey spoil it, but like, here's the revelation.

991
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:53.599
Stop me if you've heard of this
one? Residon Evil still makes money?

992
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:57.920
Oh? Man, does it?
You get to play? It's Barry Burton's

993
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.199
daughter, Moira. I never know
to pronounce that name, Mara. It's

994
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:06.320
the ref from Nickelodeon Guts, but
just call it. We'll call him Burton

995
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:10.920
Myra. Moira. Do you have
it the guts? Oh? Yeah,

996
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.079
yeah, O got guts? Uh? Wire's this said in the timeline?

997
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.239
Dude, again, I am not
a Residon eval. Lord guy, I

998
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.800
were asking questions. You're not prepared
to hear the answers too. I loved

999
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.559
Resonval four. I liked Resonval five
a good amount. Hey to the Reson

1000
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.000
Eval six didn't play through all of
the first revelations on three DS or the

1001
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:34.559
console ones that came after, But
I am liking this. So, so

1002
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:38.119
what's the deal? It starts with
kind of a slightly older clear red field

1003
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.960
like yes, by older, I
mean like thirties or something older. So

1004
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.800
postcode Veronica. Yes, well she
was still like a teenager. Okay,

1005
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.440
yeah, she's like Veronica from what
I saw the intro, like she's kind

1006
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.679
of the the veteran here. Yeah, she is the experienced. Like,

1007
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:58.840
God, what is the agency that
they're part of? This week? Stars

1008
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:02.760
is long gone? I think bad
guys AREPD Tara Tara Save is the bad

1009
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.840
guys because they say it's Terra Save
because not every terra has to end with

1010
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.679
wrist. That's the line they say, what I think you heard him?

1011
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:17.360
That's yeah, no, no,
I'm sorry. What's confusing here? What

1012
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.480
the what's wait? They do this
commercial, they do this commercial where it's

1013
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:24.719
almost like an an Atlas thing from
Duty Advanced Warfare, where it's like,

1014
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.840
hey, look at us where you
know there was an earthquake and here we

1015
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.679
are putting up sand bags or whatever. And then they said, yeah,

1016
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:37.079
Tara Save because not every terra has
to end with wrist, but it's terror

1017
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:44.719
terror even look, you're overthinking it's
terror wrists. Check out my earth wrist.

1018
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:46.679
Just go with it, man,
it's resident evil. Yeah. So

1019
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:50.159
I don't know what the hell is
going on. Too many people have said

1020
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:54.639
just to go with it. It's
resident evil for too long, and that's

1021
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:59.599
what got us to where we are
to that's a valid point. I'll say

1022
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.239
this a lot better than six.
Why didn't they just call this one seven?

1023
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:07.719
Because it doesn't even then they're weird, that's it's it's super weird.

1024
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.719
Hey, it's an offshoot. Be
it does not have the budget to justify

1025
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.199
being called seven, like not even
clothes. I don't know if it's cannon

1026
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:15.519
or anything. Again, lord not
the lord guy. I know the first

1027
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.719
episode you're playing as you can switch
between them or you can do go up,

1028
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.559
Yeah, Claire Redfield and more Burton. It could be Mara or Moira

1029
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:29.440
or you know, pencipending. Yeah. And then so you're you're trying to

1030
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.360
escape this, like you wake up
in this prison type area penal colony they

1031
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.079
call it, and frightening your through, fighting your way through. It's a

1032
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:37.920
bunch of spooky stuff happening, a
bunch of guys, big gross things coming

1033
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.800
out of their heads. Are there
zombies in it? Or are they fucking

1034
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:46.960
not? Zombies? Haven't said that
they're bows letter bows? Well, you

1035
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.159
played five and six, I don't
remember what do they call it or something

1036
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:57.079
like that, right, right,
bo double us or were they just infected

1037
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:01.199
in four? They were the right. Yeah, I'm so glad you can

1038
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:05.760
actually shoot things in the head again
and coming out. Yeah. Yeah.

1039
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:07.840
And you know what's a good game's
Resil four. That's a great game.

1040
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.280
I thought that everyone loved that game
until I said in the office a few

1041
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.239
weeks ago, like, oh,
but everyone Lovedson before. And I look

1042
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.119
over and Jeff's shaking his head.
Dand I'm not supposed to do this.

1043
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:23.239
I just the shot. I never
got good at the shooting, like,

1044
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.159
honestly, like, I just never
right. The shooting never clicked with me

1045
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.480
in a way that like felt shootery
enough, so it felt like, Okay,

1046
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:36.119
they made improvements on the Resident Evil
formula, but not to an extent

1047
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.639
where I wanted to play it.
Okay, fair enough. Sorry, I

1048
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.360
tried a few times. They kept
rereleasing the game. I kept giving it

1049
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:47.239
a shot. Not even with the
moat, No, not even with the

1050
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.760
moat. That's the one my dad
has beaten like three times. Really yeah,

1051
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.320
it's like one of the only games. He's a weird dude. The

1052
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.719
we version of reson Eve before I
got it from for Christmas and then he

1053
01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.360
got obsessed with it. Yeah,
the same game. It's a great version.

1054
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.840
I played through the weaversion. It's
a great version of Yeah. But

1055
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:07.960
yeah, I finished the part where
you're playing as the two girls, and

1056
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:12.119
when we came up here, I
was just starting one where it looks like

1057
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.000
I am controlling Barry Burton. Barry
Burton, He's coming in on a ship.

1058
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:21.840
He's coming in to save his daughter
Berry. Where's Barry. Yeah,

1059
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.400
that guy, that guy with the
beard and everything. Yeah, I'm curious

1060
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.400
to see how much the episodic structure
of this means that they're just going to

1061
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:31.960
kind of reuse the same levels over
and over and that kind of thing.

1062
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:37.000
Yeah, this will probably be something
we keep coming back to for the next

1063
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.480
few weeks because I'm going to be, like the Embargoes Lifts on a week

1064
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.400
to week basis, so I will
be able to talk about each section going

1065
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.480
forward if it stays interesting. So
as of right now, I mean,

1066
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:47.960
it plays fine, It runs sixty
frame second. It seems pretty much all

1067
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.239
the time. AI is not great. It seems like sometimes these zombie things

1068
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.920
will just wildly leap at you in
ways that like they are not even close

1069
01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:00.679
to you. Lots of just jankie
little video game things in it. But

1070
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.400
for the most part, shooting feels
fine. I have been enjoying it,

1071
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.800
and I did not enjoy anything in
six. I think upgrade your guns,

1072
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.000
there's a whole like, you know, getting skill points. Does it feel

1073
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:13.519
like the same technology from six,
like engine wise or like does it feel

1074
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.000
a lot like six? Not from
what I've seen, you know what,

1075
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:19.599
I played about three hours of six
and quit and I don't have really that's

1076
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.719
it. Yeah, lucky son of
a pig. I know it's a huge

1077
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.599
game. I've seen a lot of
thirty hour game if you play everything.

1078
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.039
Yeah, I recommended to play through
like four days, like yeah, I

1079
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.719
want to say somewhere between like three
and five hours. And I don't remember

1080
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:38.159
how it controlled. Honestly, I
don't remember how that feel was. But

1081
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.440
this it feels all right. I
mean, I'm not gonna say this it

1082
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:45.320
feels perfect or anything, but you
know, I've been doing it. Moving

1083
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.000
around feels fine. Yeah, I'm
curious to hear out it shapes up over

1084
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:53.239
time. There was the the skeleton
of a good resident Evil game in in

1085
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:57.079
the first revelations. Yeah, it
kind of went off the rails later on,

1086
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.360
but for a while it was like, man, this kind of is

1087
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.000
like what res evil used to be. Like, I probably would have played

1088
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.079
through all the first revelations if just
the release had been different, because it

1089
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:06.559
came out first on just three DS
and I didn't have a circle pad,

1090
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.800
and I tried planning with that,
but I just hated that circle pad attachment.

1091
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.519
And I know they eventually released it
ONPS three and three sixty, but

1092
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:15.239
at that point that ship had sailed
on surely wanting to get into it.

1093
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.440
Sure, So yeah, I'm just
gonna jump into this one and see how

1094
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.800
it is. All right, excellent, Drew. You what's going on?

1095
01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:27.800
Oh? You know? No,
adult, That's why I'm asking. I

1096
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.320
got a sick poison oak rash cool
working on. Keep that arm, keep

1097
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.599
that on your side of the room. Yeah. Is that one of the

1098
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.440
communicable ones? I don't. I
don't think so. I think it's the

1099
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.519
oil washes all yeah, I guess
so. Yeah, but it sucks.

1100
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:43.599
I was not aware how long these
things lasted. I haven't gotten poison oak

1101
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.960
at sometime. It was always more
of a poison ivy guy myself. So

1102
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:51.159
I'm I'm allergic or last I checked. When I was five years old,

1103
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:55.280
I was allergic to poison ivy,
Like my whole head puffed up. Oh

1104
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.280
got it, even if it touched
her elbow. Yeah weird. Yeah cool.

1105
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.239
Yeah, and some people apparently don't
react to poison oak or anything at

1106
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:06.840
all, which those are non humans. But anyway, yeah, maybe they're

1107
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:12.159
bows. Went out into the wild, and then I got I got I

1108
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:16.079
got the I got the itch to
do that some more. So, my

1109
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:21.239
entire Saturday was spent on Amazon buying
backpacking gear. I bought way too much

1110
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:26.039
of it. I imagine that as
a deep rabbit hole that you could potentially

1111
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.159
go down. Oh yes, stuff's
expensive, man. Yeah, I would

1112
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:34.480
imagine a carbon fiber in there.
Rugged construction backpacks s yeah, a lot

1113
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:40.880
of stuff it's drilled to make it
lighter. Uh. Yeah, I bought.

1114
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.239
I bought a mug from Japan.
It's double walled except for backpacking.

1115
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:53.920
Yeah. I almost bought like a
backpacking coffee drip thing that you put Yeah

1116
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.920
you it's like a you know,
like a funnel that you put over a

1117
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:00.320
pour over. Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's a poor over for actual coffee

1118
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:03.360
for the outside for actual coffee.
Yeah, it's like it's it's made out

1119
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.559
of silicone, so you can collapse
it down and like throw it in your

1120
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.920
bag. It's like some small and
flat. Then you pop it up,

1121
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.800
put a filter in there, and
then you pour in your ground coffee.

1122
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.360
And then you take the water off
of the fire and pour it over there

1123
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.000
and it drips down into your mug. Which means you got to carry around

1124
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:23.559
like fourteen things to make coffee.
Yeah, because matters man coffee serious business.

1125
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.679
I don't know how those things work
at all. There's filters and beans

1126
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:30.360
and crunchy stuff. It's not that
hard, but the crunchy stuff are used

1127
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.679
to be beans and now what is
and then you grind it, grind it

1128
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.920
up into crunchy stuff. Yeah,
and then you pour the water through the

1129
01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:40.840
crunchy stuff, so you get what
what drips out. But you don't want

1130
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.320
to get the crunch stuff in your
drink. Just remember that. That's why

1131
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:45.960
if you ever the crunchy stuff from
getting in the drink, well, if

1132
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:47.960
you ever start drinking coffee, you
remember you need to eat the grounds later

1133
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.599
to get all the nutrients. That
sounds like something that's not true. Apparently

1134
01:07:53.960 --> 01:08:00.199
you sucked on the tea bag before
maybe I haven't about it. I've never

1135
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.880
had team. Apparently you can.
You can make what's called cowboy coffee,

1136
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:09.000
which is you just pour coffee grounds
into a pot and then like shake it

1137
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.760
around centrifugal force style and push them
out of the bottom and then just drink

1138
01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.560
the liquid. I can't imagine that
tastes good. But I did not to

1139
01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:19.239
go that route either, either of
those routes, and just got like Starbucks

1140
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:25.359
instant coffee, which you played in
your crazy make Coffee on You just make

1141
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.199
hot water and then you pour that
little packet in there. Oh oh so

1142
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.119
you didn't buy it. No,
I didn't got you. Okay, I

1143
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.319
know if I was, if I
was out for a constitutional in the wilderness,

1144
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.199
I don't know, the coffee is
what I would want to drink.

1145
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:40.239
Oh man, if you I don't
know if I want that sloshing around in

1146
01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:43.520
there while you're like hiking up the
side of a mountain or something. I

1147
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:48.279
went, I went on a short
hike over the weekend and drank a bunch

1148
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:54.000
of coffee right beforehand, and it
ended up okay, yeah, yeah,

1149
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.119
yeah, that's I mean, you
know, that's for right to hear people

1150
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.119
say they like choke a bunch of
coffee before they go work out, yeah

1151
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.359
or whatever. But you want to
know a bad idea about what to drink

1152
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:05.359
before you work out. Uh yeah, well that sounds pretty bad. That's

1153
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:09.560
kind of where we're going. Oh
great. So in college we had a

1154
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:12.600
twenty four seven rec center, and
every once in a while, I would

1155
01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:14.960
like when the bars closed, I
would just like run home or whatever,

1156
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.720
and it was like twelve blocks or
something, sorry, from the bar,

1157
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.960
from the bar, not from the
rec center, us like like a good

1158
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:23.800
healthy jog, like sprinting home just
because I wanted to get home and fall

1159
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.479
asleep faster. So I just like
run home from the bar. When you're

1160
01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.880
drunk. It's kind of like it's
free because exactly, and you don't remember

1161
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:31.880
it. So I would wake up
and my friends would be like, yeah,

1162
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:34.159
you sprinted all the way home and
just passed out, And then I

1163
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:38.079
remember thinking like man, so it's
like I didn't even have to put in

1164
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.640
the boring time working out if I'm
drunk. So one time after the bars,

1165
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.439
I just went to the rec center
and I got on the elliptical and

1166
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:50.520
I puked. Yep, don't fucking
work out when you're that drunk. Yeah,

1167
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:54.159
so sage advice. I don't want
to run at full speed while drunk

1168
01:09:54.199 --> 01:09:56.880
either, because that seems like it
would be a really good way to fall

1169
01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.560
over and fuck yourself up. I
never happened. I drunkenly stepped off a

1170
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.359
curb wrong some years ago, and
occasionally my knee still hurts, jeez,

1171
01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:06.880
So yeah, don't work it was
step off a fucking curb. It was

1172
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:14.199
the dumbest shit ever, like oh, stepping permanent pain. Yeah, look

1173
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:17.000
back on that one. That was
a good fourth of julyad That's my tip

1174
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:20.279
for the kids is don't get drunk
and work out. You'll throw up stage

1175
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:26.479
great stuff life lessons with Dan Record. In terms of video games, I

1176
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:29.399
did a couple of like checkens on
games that I haven't touched in a while.

1177
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.600
Tetris, a little more of the
campaign. Yeah, yeah, it's

1178
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.199
fun, good stuff. Hearing all
that Japanese. Don't spoil any of the

1179
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.680
story, Okay, I won't.
All right, there's a guy on YouTube

1180
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.800
going through and translating all of it. Yeah, I retweeted that they'll never

1181
01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:46.800
believe what Fishman says here. Yeah, it's it's something cool. I don't

1182
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.119
know. I'm having a good I
don't know what's happening, but I'm having

1183
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:54.439
fun with the puzzle stuff. Yeah, and I don't even really know what

1184
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.079
the like criteria are. Half the
time two stars, it was a good

1185
01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.920
five of something. Yeah. Does
it change from stage to stage, like

1186
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:04.039
the rule set? Yeah? Sometimes
sometimes pray playing Tatris. Sometimes you're playing

1187
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:06.399
it against somebody, sometimes you're not, or there will be like a whole

1188
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.119
world where it's like, well this
is gonna be mostly poyo stuff. Yeah,

1189
01:11:10.279 --> 01:11:13.399
and there's a time or sometimes Yeah, it's fine. It's just a

1190
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:15.640
it's this grab bag you don't know
where you're gonna get every time you go

1191
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:16.239
in to a level and it's like, oh, I guess i'm playing this

1192
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:18.600
now. Yeah, I like it. It's fun. Still holding out hope

1193
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.399
that might come out over here,
but I know that's still. I love

1194
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:27.720
playing a Japanese only game, like
everything is Japanese and it's great. Sure.

1195
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:32.760
I also took a dive back into
Master Chief Collection the multiplayer. I

1196
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.600
played two matches. It took a
long time to match me even though it

1197
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:41.760
was just a single. Once you
get in it's fine, but like I

1198
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:45.239
couldn't even find a full game of
Big Team Battle. Yeah, I wonder

1199
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:48.439
what all the troubles that game has
had, what effect those troubles have had

1200
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:50.399
on just like the player base,
you know, like they're just probably just

1201
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:54.880
not yeah, probably just not that
many people looking for matches at the next

1202
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:58.720
point. Yeah, yeah, it's
still not up to snuff. It's been

1203
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:00.319
like, what over one hundred days? Yeah, well, well over three

1204
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.079
months now. I got a PM
on the site from someone and you know,

1205
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:06.000
he didn't provide a screenshot or anything, so I can't verify it,

1206
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:09.359
but he said he was so,
you know how they were going to do

1207
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.359
a beta test of the latest patch. Yes, And then they were sended

1208
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.039
that yes, this person claims to
be part of like a small closed beta

1209
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:20.399
that they invited a few people to
weird And this person said that with this

1210
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:26.119
patch applied, like the matchmaking has
been working very well. Okay, whether

1211
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.600
that's true or not, I don't
know, but three months after release,

1212
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:32.479
it's not hard to believe they might
have finally gotten it fucking working. Well,

1213
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.920
if that comes out, I'll check
it out. Yeah. Yeah,

1214
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.680
I want to play with my friends. That's what was breaking before. It

1215
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.319
was just like we're playing five people, four xboxes across the country and it's

1216
01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:44.960
just not working. Like, did
you ever ever could you say that you've

1217
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:47.560
ever since this game came out,
had exactly the kind of experience you were

1218
01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.479
looking to have with this product once
I got into a game with all my

1219
01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:57.239
buddies, Yes, but that wasn't
our deal getting there. It was like

1220
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:01.960
hours, is there or time left
for the Master Chief Collection? Like if

1221
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:04.960
it started working on percent tomorrow,
would people like you? Do you think

1222
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.800
people would come back? People like
me? Yeah, but not the people

1223
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.039
who are like I like Taylor,
I'm sure I'll get this, and they're

1224
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:15.239
like, nah, yeah, should
probably say maybe when odst comes out.

1225
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:20.359
Yeah for that, Yeah, of
course that's only I think that's currently only

1226
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:25.359
announced for people who basically bought it
a launch more or less. I mean

1227
01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.800
there's like a month three Yeah,
well they never I think they never officially

1228
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:30.079
confirmed it was going on sale,
but you know, of course they'll sell

1229
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:34.680
it. Yeah, yeah, but
yeah, I don't know. I played

1230
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:40.680
a little Fortza five, which I
had never actually played before. I had

1231
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:45.279
an extra copyline around and pop that
in, went through like the tutorial stuff.

1232
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:47.199
It was fun. Yeah, it's
racing. I think I think the

1233
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:54.479
campaign is structured pretty well. At
least it looks like to me like you're

1234
01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:57.800
you go through like the first few
races and you're you're open to a bunch

1235
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.079
of other disciplines. Yeah. I
bet that that game is a lot more

1236
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:04.720
interesting or a lot more friendly now
than it was then. Like they've rejiggered

1237
01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.880
a lot of stuff really, and
you know, like they've kind of filtered

1238
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:13.479
out some of the micro transaction the
stuff, or gave people access to more

1239
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.720
credits to buy more cars than they
had previously, so that ramp was a

1240
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.319
little bit longer maybe, but yeah, they they've made adjustments since since I

1241
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.560
reviewed it that I think I've maybe
made a little more friendly. That's right.

1242
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.239
You have to buy the cars before
you can. They don't give you

1243
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.119
an gimmes, right, yes,
okay, yeah, yeah. I went

1244
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:33.520
and looked at like the Formula one
car and it's like two million credits and

1245
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.359
I have like one hundred and twenty
thousand, so that doesn't seem so insurmountable,

1246
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.079
right, Yeah. Yeah. Six
is coming out this year, right

1247
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:43.239
yep, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. They announced six. It'll

1248
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.039
have that four GT in it and
that'll be on the cover. They announced

1249
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.399
it as part of like some auto
show where they showed that new four GTA.

1250
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.800
At this rate every other year,
they're gonna they're gonna get into weird

1251
01:14:51.800 --> 01:15:00.680
cquel territory pretty soon. Yeah yeah, shriple tryad and let's ball with cars.

1252
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:09.800
Great. Yeah. I kind of
wonder what they'll do with forts over

1253
01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.000
the course of this generation, Like
how much better could they really make it

1254
01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:17.800
look like it already looks really fucking
good. And I don't know what the

1255
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.439
crowds. Okay, yeah, way
to go. You're right, they got

1256
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:26.520
optimized for better crowds. That's that's
a that's a clear yes, that's a

1257
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.479
clear point where they could improve.
That's your one. I would love to

1258
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:32.079
see the marketing campaign for this thing, just get out in front of that

1259
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.319
or just like put out some promotional
videos like the crowds of fours to six.

1260
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.359
I would actually just that thing.
I'd really like it if there was

1261
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:45.560
an option to turn on or DLC
where they sell you old crowds alright,

1262
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.880
cardboard cutout, Yeah yeah, I
think there's like there's a chance for like

1263
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:50.800
an in between step where instead of
the cardboard cutouts, you get like the

1264
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:56.000
street fighter background, like two frames
animation people like pumping their fists. That'd

1265
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.359
be cool. We'll see how much
they can optimize, I guess. But

1266
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.479
it's one of the where it's like, because so much of that game is

1267
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.640
rooted in reality, and so much
of that game is based on like real

1268
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:11.000
world tracks, where do you go? Yeah, right, you know.

1269
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.439
It was kind of the thing from
three to four. I remember like three

1270
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.279
felt like a perfection of forts as
it existed at that point with the online

1271
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.399
feature set that you expected it to
have. Like four, they cleaned a

1272
01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.199
lot of that stuff up, and
you're like, technically, this is a

1273
01:16:23.199 --> 01:16:26.560
better game, but I'm going to
spend way less time with it because I

1274
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:30.479
spent so much time with three.
Uh, and these games are really similar.

1275
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:34.199
And then that's you know, Horizon
was a really good breath of fresh

1276
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.520
air for that stuff. But then
there's kind of back to five and it

1277
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.960
was just like, well, it
moved to a new console, so obviously,

1278
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:43.640
you know, the game looks better
in a lot of ways. That

1279
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:46.760
was crowds and then even with Horizon, like the sequel to that was kind

1280
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:51.079
of a retread a little bit.
Yeah, the obviously moving around the world

1281
01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:55.319
exactly. I think Horizon has you
know, by not being rooted in a

1282
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:59.680
real world place as directly as some
as some of the tracks from Motorsport.

1283
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:01.680
Uh, they have a lot more
room to move. But and they could

1284
01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:04.560
get more outlandish with the design and
stuff too, you know, like rereasing,

1285
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:09.119
raising airplanes and ship Like, yeah, I just I wonder, like

1286
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.640
this is something that I think about, you know, even you know,

1287
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:15.399
like they wait a long time between
installments of Grant to Rismo. So by

1288
01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:18.079
the time GT seven comes out,
well it'll be the first one on the

1289
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:23.199
PS four, So you know that'll
be exciting in and of itself. If

1290
01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:26.920
they get out of GT eight on
the PS four though, like what you

1291
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.439
know, it's just be like well
the more premium cars and fewer standard cars

1292
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:35.000
or you know, it's just a
weird thing. Well that's something you can

1293
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.439
at least say about Grants Riismo.
They're like whatever else do you want to

1294
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.840
say about it? Like each release
feels like an event. Yeah, it's

1295
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.760
because it is so long in between
releases, you know, whereas like Forts

1296
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.319
is like they're on a very predictable
bi annual schedule at this point, right,

1297
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.039
Yeah, you can practically set your
watch by a Forts of release.

1298
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.479
Yes, I mean, you know, into forts of you know, in

1299
01:17:54.600 --> 01:18:00.000
in twenty nineteen, forts of will
probably pass grant to MO in numbers.

1300
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:06.119
Sure, yeah, I expected to
do so so great. Yeah, I

1301
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.680
don't know. I was thinking about
that recently, just with kind of like

1302
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:12.680
looking at this generation and thinking like, well, where are we going to

1303
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:17.560
go from here? Just visually,
like those genres that deal in reality,

1304
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.720
like if they're, if they're,
how much more can they squeeze out of

1305
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:25.199
the console? How much more can
they do? And will it be enough

1306
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.239
for to get people to come back
every two years for another forsa or another

1307
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.800
like driving game like that? Hard
to say. Also, been playing a

1308
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.199
bit of a Hero's Charge on my
iPhone. It's one of those free to

1309
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:38.399
play games, Jeff, that you
and I looked at. Yeah, the

1310
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.279
one of them caught you quick looks
of all the video games that were advertised

1311
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:45.159
during the Super Bowl, is that
the one that everybody was getting in touch

1312
01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:47.039
with me over the weekend about?
Yep, I need to look at that

1313
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:51.039
apparently, And of course this slipped
by me, but apparently all the all

1314
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:55.920
the characters in there are ripped straight
from There's just like HiT's just cheeby Doda.

1315
01:18:56.039 --> 01:19:01.279
Yeah, I mean people were it's
cheeby like like smallmed tiny like big

1316
01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:05.760
heads s Yeah, sure, okay, it was called that. I might

1317
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:09.920
be into. Imagine if they just
had a skin for Doda there was Doda

1318
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.279
SD, how fucking excited you would
be? Might I might be into that.

1319
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.239
Apparently in China the game is called
like Doda Legends or something. We're

1320
01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:18.920
weird. Yeah, now it's one
of those things where you know, the

1321
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:24.079
term Doda existed way before Valve got
ahold of it true. But yeah,

1322
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:28.279
somebody, somebody tweeted some names of
hero names from that thing at me over

1323
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.199
the weekend, and just like immediately
when I read them, knew exactly who

1324
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:32.680
they were talking about. You know, like it's so obvious. That's kind

1325
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:34.439
of a shame because I don't know. I kind of like that game.

1326
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:38.760
It's it's is it a MOBI or
is it something different? No, it's

1327
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:44.399
it's very simple, like you you
choose a five person team and then they

1328
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:50.239
march from left to right and attack
enemies automatically, and then you can pop

1329
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:56.239
their ultimates uh points. It's a
very low commitment, it sounds yes,

1330
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.960
yeah, and Sherry Low Michael transaction
e too I need to go download.

1331
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:04.520
Yeah, unlike, oh my god, Game of four you should? Yeah

1332
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:08.680
that video did? We did?
Is? I came away from that thing

1333
01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:12.000
like made me feel having this thing
of like, oh maybe I should get

1334
01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:15.359
Clash of Clans. You know what? That's not that that game was not

1335
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:19.640
as bad as I was expecting.
Yeah. I played more Dungeon Keeper than

1336
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:23.840
anyone should have, and a lot
of those concepts came out of Clash of

1337
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:26.359
Clans. Yes, So I looked
at it and when like, oh are

1338
01:20:26.399 --> 01:20:28.880
they are they? Are? They
more tasteful in Clash of Clans, Like

1339
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:30.359
just the timers and the kind of
the amount that they expect you to wait

1340
01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.079
until anything is more tasteful compared to
Game of War. Oh my god,

1341
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:39.159
that thing, man, he's kind
of expected that after the commercials. This

1342
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.920
is the tone similar to the commercials
and the ads, uh, in terms

1343
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:51.760
of like extravagance. Yeah, the
extravagance of the ads is directly proportional to

1344
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.560
how egregious they are with trying to
suck money out of you, If that

1345
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.800
makes any sense, Okay, yeah, I don't know. I don't I

1346
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:02.079
don't want to spend too much time
on that because we did a quick look

1347
01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:06.640
about it, but like, uh, yeah, an interesting endeavor, say

1348
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:11.399
the least. The other game I've
been playing is Attila Total War. Oh

1349
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.560
did you crack into that? Yes, I've played a couple of hours.

1350
01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:16.640
Or I think it's Total War hole
in Attila? Yeah, yes, wait

1351
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:21.199
letters oh capital letters. Okay,
I thought I thought for a second there

1352
01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:26.399
might be an exclamation mark after Attila, which might be enough to give me

1353
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.720
to check that game out. That
would be pretty good. I never really

1354
01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:34.239
got. I played a fair amount
of Rome Total War back in the day,

1355
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:40.359
but everything after that has just been
way too overwhelming for me, And

1356
01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:44.239
so I've missed the last few in
terms of the design, and yeah,

1357
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:45.920
in terms of like I was just
so much going on. I can't I

1358
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:53.399
can't even handle. Because there's there's
two aspects of There's like the civilization overworld

1359
01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:59.199
part where you're like taking over territories
and reinforcing your units and like it's turn

1360
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:02.279
based, and then when you battle
another guy, it goes down into the

1361
01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:08.000
h you know, it's real time
strategy part of it, where you're commanding

1362
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.239
troops and stuff and a lot of
troops and yes, literally thousands of troops,

1363
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:17.760
and it just I buckled under the
pressure. Basically, this one seems

1364
01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:21.720
to be much better about teaching you
how to do it. Uh. I

1365
01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:26.920
can't say how it compares to other
Total war games that have been released recently,

1366
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:30.000
because I didn't really play those,
but it seems much more friendly and

1367
01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:40.199
uh and uh Approachable's potentially a good
thing if they're not sacrificing the I don't

1368
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.159
think they're dumbing it down any I
think they've just improved things like the UI

1369
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.319
and the tutorials. But yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna do a quick look

1370
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:50.039
at that. I've only played a
couple of hours, but yeah, it's

1371
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:54.439
it seems competent and and not at
all. I remember those other games being

1372
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:58.880
pretty buggy, and I haven't run
into any of that. So yeah,

1373
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:03.960
excellent, good to hear. I
the order is the main new thing I

1374
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:09.880
played. Yep. Everything else that
I played has been discussed ad nauseum.

1375
01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:14.279
There's a copy of Monster Hunter four
in my three DS. I was too

1376
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.720
intimidated to start it up for the
weekend. Okay, I hope by it

1377
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:20.199
next time. By this this time
next week, I might have something to

1378
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:24.119
say about it. I may have
to drag Jason up here. Yeah,

1379
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:27.000
yeah, see what thoughts he has
on this thing. You listen to the

1380
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.800
four podcast. They did a great
segment on the did they I know,

1381
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.520
I know those guys are well they
did, yes, but they also have

1382
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.920
known them to be insane Monster Hunter
fans for quite some time. Yes,

1383
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:39.960
they had They had a guy on
there, like they've been talking about it

1384
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:44.000
for years. That's the name he
goes by. He's like, he does

1385
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:46.279
like Monster Hunter two tooril videos basically. Yeah, And they had him on

1386
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.039
there and talked about it, and
he said like, this is this is

1387
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:54.439
the one if if you're looking to
get into it. Yeah, I've been

1388
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:56.920
hearing that quite a bit, like
this is you know, this one's by

1389
01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:00.039
far the most approachable to newcomers,
et cetera, et cetera. Which I

1390
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.479
also said something like, you can't
this is not an action game. It

1391
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:09.239
is a hunting game, which is
a think I think it lost me.

1392
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:14.479
There's very fine distinction, but it's
it's not if you go in expecting to

1393
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:19.760
expecting it to be what it appears
to me in like screenshots, Uh,

1394
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:26.840
you will be very confused. So
I think that's been true about the entire

1395
01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:31.680
series. Yeah, that's been Yeah, it's there's a depth there that you

1396
01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:35.600
need to spend real time with to
to uncover. Sure, for me,

1397
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:40.560
it just had got to the point
where too many people were talking about it

1398
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.800
too much and I had to know, you know, yeah, I mean

1399
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.079
it's a certain point. I think
it's like Dark Souls in that in that

1400
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.159
respect where it's like, you,
this looks like something that I know what

1401
01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:51.000
this is, but then it's it's
not that, but it's, yeah,

1402
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:56.159
there's something there I talk to.
I was talking to former Earns intern slash

1403
01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:00.359
Sony deal maker Matt Kestler about it
a little bit, and uh, he

1404
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.800
said he was not able to appreciate
Monster Hunter until he had played Dark Souls,

1405
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:05.800
and that line resonate. I think
that makes sense, like that.

1406
01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:09.439
It is one of those things where
like I think that the people that are

1407
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:13.359
crazy about Dark Souls are crazy in
the same way that Monster Hunter people are.

1408
01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.239
Seems like some overlap there, and
then I don't trust that's fair,

1409
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:19.520
no, but you know, it's
it's the same. Like my problems with

1410
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:24.800
Monster Hunter over the years have been
similar to the things that have pushed me

1411
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:28.439
away from Dark Yeah. It being
like I'm not really sure what any of

1412
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:33.520
this stuff does all of the the
animation involved is you know, like you

1413
01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:36.600
have to line up your shots very
very carefully. Uh, you know,

1414
01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:41.760
parts of it seemed clunky at first
yea, yeah, And you know,

1415
01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:45.119
and conversely, knowing that I had
come to and enjoy the Soul series,

1416
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:47.760
I was like, oh, maybe
maybe that was my gayway trugbe, I

1417
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:50.279
can actually appreciate it. I would
not be shocked if that if that does

1418
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:55.000
it for a lot of people.
Also some comparisons to the better aspects of

1419
01:25:55.079 --> 01:25:59.520
Destiny, which made me curious.
Yeah, just in terms of the loot,

1420
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:01.479
kind of the pursuit of lout.
Definitely a lute game. Yeah,

1421
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:04.840
you know, kind of always has
been. Sure sure, I don't even

1422
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:09.279
think your character levels up at all? Really? Yeah, everything is light?

1423
01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:15.159
Oh god, oh no, no, no, we'll see what happens.

1424
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:20.000
Stay tuned until next week. You
the player level up, bread get

1425
01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:25.119
better? All right, Well,
that remains to be seen. We'll see

1426
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:28.920
what happens with that in the coming
days. But for now, what if

1427
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:31.439
we were talking about some news Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah, it's

1428
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:38.000
gonna happen whether you like it or
not. Some buckle up, okay for

1429
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:40.800
this hot banger. All right,
I'm okay. Remember when I said that

1430
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:45.560
we weren't done talking about the Oscars. Yeah, speed Tree won an oscar?

1431
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:49.079
Why can it? Did speed Tree
awesome? Have you heard of speed

1432
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.000
Tree? No? Yes, I
have. It's a middleware for making trees

1433
01:26:53.600 --> 01:27:00.520
quickly in video games or anything.
I would preciated if you addressed it by

1434
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:05.079
its proper title. Academy Award winning
middleware, a speed Tree. Okay,

1435
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:12.199
middleware? Uh pull out? Pull
up the quote from the ampus right here.

1436
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:15.039
Yeah, tell me it's what it
won for. And the Academy of

1437
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.399
Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. It
was a so yeah it was. It

1438
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:21.800
was a Scientific and Technical Academy Award, which is the ceremony, the separate

1439
01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:26.319
ceremony that they pay about thirty seconds
of flip service too during the main ceremony

1440
01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:30.760
was prestigious. That's the Oscars I
would want to go to. Because they

1441
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:33.479
said the word Vauxhalls last night on
the Oscars like four times. Yeah,

1442
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:38.079
whoa, Yeah, it was pretty
weird. Did they give an oscar to

1443
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:45.159
Comanchee? Just about right? But
yeah, spe Tree was among the honorees.

1444
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.479
They gave the award for you know, vox Atron. But really,

1445
01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:50.079
you know, everyone knows that Vauxhalls. It's just they're making good for the

1446
01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:53.920
year. They didn't give it to
Vauxhalls for commanch like it literally had this

1447
01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.640
little slide appear in the middle of
the oscars that said volume plus pixel equals

1448
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:01.359
Vauxhall. It's like, what the
words show? Am I watching? What

1449
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:09.880
is Jack Nicholson thinking right now?
Huxtall is keyed? Go on. Here's

1450
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:13.840
the quote from the Academy of Most
Picture Arts and Sciences. The software substantially

1451
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:18.079
improves an artist's ability to create specifically
designed trees and vegetation by combining a procedural

1452
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:24.800
building process and the flexibility of intuitive
direct manipulation of every detail. So there

1453
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.920
you go. Sure, I mean
it only makes sense that as the technology

1454
01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:30.159
gets better, more and more movies
are going to employ more and more digital

1455
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:33.520
stuff. Yeah. That was actually
like in seriousness, the revelation here was

1456
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:35.880
like, oh, yeah, that
totally does make sense for movies. Yeah,

1457
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:39.279
why wouldn't they use that in movies? Now? The site a specific

1458
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:42.680
movie they gave it for. Also, the blurb from the press release speech

1459
01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:46.399
ree use has been confirmed in dozens
of major films. Speech reconfirmed speech Ree

1460
01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:50.479
confirmed has been confirmed in dozens of
major films since. The software was featured

1461
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:56.199
prominently in two thousand nine's Avatar,
which received nine Oscar nominations and three Oscars.

1462
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.199
So I don't know if that was
like literally the first movie was in

1463
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:02.319
but that's perform it's by a tree. Yep, pretty good trees in Avatar.

1464
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.159
And then they and they say they
sighted a bunch of stuff, the

1465
01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:10.039
Great Gaspee, Wolf of Wall Street, Avengers, X Men, Day's Future

1466
01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:13.079
Past, Iron Man three, Maleficent. So it's all over the place.

1467
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:15.800
Now they easy to think about the
movies that like are not like science fiction

1468
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:17.359
in nature, and you don't think
of it our action films and stuff like

1469
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:23.119
that that are still employing like that
level of digital I mean, if you

1470
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:27.000
want to, if you want to
like fully grasp the pervasiveness of visual effects

1471
01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.800
in movies these days, go look
for the effects reel for Zodiac, the

1472
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:34.520
Fincher movie about serial killer, because
it is fucking insane. How much like

1473
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:39.199
they shot almost all of that movie
in La on sound stages because a bunch

1474
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:42.560
of the like specifically a bunch of
the neighborhoods up here that they needed to

1475
01:29:42.560 --> 01:29:45.680
shoot in because that's where things happened. Yeah, like wouldn't allow them to

1476
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:48.159
shoot there. It's like kind of
there would They made it sound like there

1477
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:53.119
were some nimbiesque issues there with like
people just not wanting, you know,

1478
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:56.680
a film shot on their block or
whatever, so they literally like, you

1479
01:29:56.720 --> 01:30:00.960
know, building build here. Yeah, yeah, it would have been cool.

1480
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.359
But I mean, like it's an
episode of Nash Bridges. Yeah,

1481
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:08.760
was that set here? Yeah?
I think so. I'm shooting a car

1482
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:12.520
chase for the TV show Alcatraz is
awesome, man, man, I want

1483
01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.199
to see that. But yeah,
yeah, you should go pull that up

1484
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:17.560
because like, yeah, they basically
rebuilt large parts of San Francisco in computers.

1485
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:20.119
But it's so subtle that you can't
tell. It's like you would never

1486
01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:24.880
know. I watched the entire movie
never realizing there were like any effects shots

1487
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:29.119
in it, and it's fucking full
of them. But yeah, speech congratulations

1488
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:32.520
speech Tree. Yeah, it's a
long time fuck reality. Yeah, it's

1489
01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:36.199
boring, Big Trees. You can
go watch their their kind of effects reel

1490
01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:41.920
that's attached to this award announcement if
you want to see a recent examples of

1491
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:45.239
speed Tree in movies. Also,
this news was tweeted at me by the

1492
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:50.000
official speech tree account. They say
they're big fans of site, and we

1493
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:56.279
are big fans of speech have been
for years with speech tree. Oh yeah,

1494
01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:00.920
yeah, it's going way back.
Yeah, congratulations it's the speech Tree.

1495
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.319
Yeah. Absolutely, they are wizards, that's for sure. They definitely

1496
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:08.720
are. Uh and other news.
Who's ready to make dragons with speech Tree?

1497
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:14.600
Wait right? Yeah? Yeah speed
speed dragon the dragon plug in for

1498
01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:16.399
speech Tree. I'm like that.
Yeah, this speetree is versatile. I

1499
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:21.239
believe that, saying I believe it. Cottage industry. Who's ready for another

1500
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:26.960
convention? Sure? Yeah? Do
we have two in like a week?

1501
01:31:27.000 --> 01:31:30.239
What if it was yes, yes, let's just live on the road.

1502
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:34.279
Okay, how about no, like
a big RV works for flat beer?

1503
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:39.239
That's true. It seemed to be
doing all right. What if that convention

1504
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:43.359
was in San Francisco and called twitch
Con? Can I walk there? Yeah?

1505
01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:45.600
It's a Masconi I think do they
actually? Yes? Yeah, firm

1506
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:48.479
it is? It isn't or where
else would it be? In San Francisco?

1507
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:54.000
Slims not a lot of other options? Cow Palace? Sure, yeah,

1508
01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:59.039
we had to push the HEMP CON's
the only thing that's that's at the

1509
01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:02.159
cow Palace anymore. Uh, it's
twitch Con slash Tattoo Expo. Yeah,

1510
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:05.720
they have like swap meets up there
or something something. Uh. Yes,

1511
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:12.039
twitch Con was announced by twitch TV. Say what's gonna be at twitch can

1512
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.079
kind of? So it's the twenty
fifth and twenty sixth of September this year.

1513
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:19.399
Okay, I almost just said the
twenty fifth and twenty sixth in San

1514
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:25.159
Francisco again omitting the month. What
the fuck it'll be on day two forty

1515
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:28.520
seven. We just got we just
gotta map this. We just gotta get

1516
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:31.640
this, this annual calendar going.
Who needs months? I know there's point

1517
01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:38.079
the months are a false construct.
Summer starts on one hundred and forty third.

1518
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.439
It's gonna be our merch pages,
giant bomb calendars where it's just numbered

1519
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:47.239
stuff. Uh so James thing.
So yeah, they call it a celebration

1520
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:53.920
of all things twitch twitch Con.
That's what this says. I don't know

1521
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.000
that this is a convention I want
to go to anymore. Yeah, it's

1522
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:02.359
a good point. Uh yeah,
it's their press release. Yeah, take

1523
01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:06.199
it as such. But it says
twitch Con will be an interactive convention for

1524
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:11.399
broadcasters and viewers alike to meet each
other, learn how to take your Twitch

1525
01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:15.840
game to the next level. Yeah, and play together. That's it.

1526
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:19.760
So are they going to be streaming
from twitch Con? That's that's probably that.

1527
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:24.560
That's about all the detail I've got
for you here. Well, there's

1528
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:28.399
there's a little more. They go
in old more detail here. Attendees will

1529
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:31.000
have the chance to mingle with each
other and their favorite broadcasters, experience live

1530
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:35.319
content from the convention center, and
learn from the community thought leaders. So

1531
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:41.760
that sounds like a stage show and
panels, yeah, and maybe great type

1532
01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:46.239
stuff. I assume a laptop.
So, yeah, you had mentioned this

1533
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:49.680
a bunch, but there's no official
confirmation of it. But I mean,

1534
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:51.880
I'm sure we'll find out soon.
If it's the case that there will be

1535
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:56.319
like a big show floor with like
just publishers they are showing games, I

1536
01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.800
would assume though Twitch, you know, they have contacts with publisher they do

1537
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:02.640
deals with publishers, they do stuff
with publishers. It would make sense for

1538
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:05.439
there to be a show floor at
this thing. You know, one would

1539
01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:10.560
expect, like, you know,
maybe there's an ex split booth obs is

1540
01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:13.239
there, you know, I don't
know, does you get does a free

1541
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:15.840
pass software package. Just get a
booth, I don't know whatever, you

1542
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:19.920
free copy os for all attendees.
Great, thanks for that. Uh.

1543
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:24.840
I would assume that there would be
games there. It's it's timed at a

1544
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:28.560
point in the year where where there
will be builds of unreleased games that are

1545
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:33.159
very playable kind of post post packs
prime, So there's there's stuff that could

1546
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:38.279
be there. I would I would
presume that some publishers would want to show

1547
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:44.359
at such a such a destination.
Sure, I'd expect like Turtle Beach and

1548
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:47.399
Gunner Optics and stuff like that,
like yeah, well anything fatality gear.

1549
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:50.600
Yeah, I don't know, like
Gunner Optics, Like what do you like

1550
01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:57.399
here are some sunglasses to where while
you stream save it every like I guess

1551
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:01.960
yeah that shit. Many hardware booth
with a lot of esportists sure, playing

1552
01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:05.520
matches and stuff. Yeah, you
know, like like the Twitch booth at

1553
01:35:05.560 --> 01:35:09.640
Packs is always like well attended to
a lot of people that just kind of

1554
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:14.359
post up there and watch their stage
show. So it makes sense. It's

1555
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:17.760
the Red Pop. The company that
does that puts on packs is also doing

1556
01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:23.640
this, which makes you wonder why
isn't this packs San Francisco. But I

1557
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:28.039
guess at this point maybe Twitch is
a bigger brand name than Packs, or

1558
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:30.840
Twitch is growing. I don't know
whatever that's that's just as that I don't

1559
01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:31.960
know. Well though, the way
Packs has been expanding, it seems to

1560
01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:38.479
really be targeting underserved markets, you
know, like like Australia and South specifically,

1561
01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:42.159
are in regions where you know,
you don't have immediate access to the

1562
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.600
two main ones. I don't know, man, San Francisco hasn't had a

1563
01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:49.439
big game show since Game Spot After
Hours? Wait was that the last one?

1564
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:55.159
So Player's Ball was the last player
game Spot? Players Ball, wasn't

1565
01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.439
it? That was the thing I
think it was. I think it went

1566
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:00.319
game after Hours and then players Ball? Right that sounds right, Yeah,

1567
01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:04.880
I think that's right. Fuck man, I don't know. Checkout game,

1568
01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:11.399
checkout game. What was the Player's
ball? We went to smallest of the

1569
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.520
three. They got smaller year and
you're out of weird. We were at

1570
01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.199
slims was that one? Right?
This is back in your game Spot.

1571
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:24.760
This would have been probably six probably. Yeah, they're still You can still

1572
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:28.399
find a bunch of players Ball branded
stuff around the office. Yeah, there's

1573
01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:33.960
a there's one on a pillar.
Uh yeah, I'll show you. But

1574
01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:39.319
what did we do. We did
a stage show. Rich was still there,

1575
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:43.720
so it was like that that era. And then there were some games

1576
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:45.479
on the show, like on the
floor of Slims. But it was like

1577
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:49.800
it was one game, eight Kiosks
or something. It's like wolfensteiner play some

1578
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:54.840
multiplayers, you know, whatever it
was, and then a couple of other

1579
01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:58.279
games there, and then there were
drinks and it was it was relatively low

1580
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:01.600
key compared to the other ones,
which were higher key and a real hassle.

1581
01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.079
Swims a bar. Yeah, it's
like a concert. Yeah, got

1582
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:12.000
a stage and everything upon which we
played rock band, right or the amusement

1583
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:17.600
of the crowd. Good times?
Huh. Live events Uh yeah, anybody

1584
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.239
in San Francisco, Sure, come
on down. I don't know, I

1585
01:37:20.439 --> 01:37:24.600
you know, no details about like
how limited the tickets will be or with

1586
01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:28.359
a cost or any of that stuff. Yeah, yeah, I think it

1587
01:37:28.399 --> 01:37:30.800
makes sense, uh for a Twitch
to do something like this. They got

1588
01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.399
they got that Amazon money. Yeah, got a huge community or a gigantic

1589
01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:43.439
user base. As we'll see what
they can do any live capacity. So

1590
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:49.159
yeah, September, look for it. Fandom dust. Anybody remember that Yeah.

1591
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:53.920
I remember like five people very loudly
freaking out about it when they announced

1592
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.920
the new one. Yeah, and
me, I've never even heard of that

1593
01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:58.560
game. I had heard of it. What's the deal? What is it

1594
01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:01.439
about this game that peep are either
completely obsessed with it or have no idea

1595
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:04.760
what it was? Wasn't it a
card it was? I think it was

1596
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:08.640
card based, it was. Yeah, it's a It was on the original

1597
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:15.199
Xbox. Yeah, it's like an
original Xbox card like building fighting thing before

1598
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:18.960
Magic had all of its online stuff
and a lot of the other online CCGs

1599
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:23.319
went online or whatever, and it
didn't have an actual card game component.

1600
01:38:23.319 --> 01:38:26.720
Like it was just a video games
as far as I know. And yeah,

1601
01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:30.279
the people who are into it really
into it, to the point that

1602
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.079
those people lost their ship at three
last year when they announced a new Fantom

1603
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:39.359
Dust at the Microsoft press conference for
the Xbox One. Well, now the

1604
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:45.560
studio making Phantom Dust dark Side Games
has been shuttered. No, they were

1605
01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:50.880
located in Florida. Uh. Microsoft
basically canceled the game that they were working

1606
01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:57.000
on. Uh, and the studio
had to let go around fifty people who

1607
01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.239
were all working on Fantom Dust.
Microsoft put out of statement like, the

1608
01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:04.640
game's not dead, so that's something, but it's still concerning if you were

1609
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:10.159
interested in this game. Microsoft partnered
with dark Side Game Studios and the development

1610
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:13.840
of Fantom Dust, but our working
relationship has now ended. We have great

1611
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:15.760
respect for their studio and their work
in the industry. While we did not

1612
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.319
have anything new to share on Fantom
Dust at this time, we can confirm

1613
01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:21.760
the development of the title continues.
Look forward to sharing more details in the

1614
01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:27.560
games we eclosit release. So no
indication if they're even going to like salvage

1615
01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:30.239
the work with it was done there
and go from there, or farm it

1616
01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:36.560
out somebody else and start over like
who knows. Yeah, not enough information

1617
01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:42.119
to point fingers one way or the
other on that one. Well, okay,

1618
01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.960
lay it on me. Kataku got
some anonymous quotes from someone who worked

1619
01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:53.600
at the studio okay, which go
as follows the executives who saw it.

1620
01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:56.880
They're talking about the game. Of
course, we're impressed, and as late

1621
01:39:56.920 --> 01:40:00.119
as this morning gave our team every
indication that the project was on solid ground.

1622
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.119
Yet we got the phone call today
that someone up on high who in

1623
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:10.039
all likelihood wasn't even aware of the
game and detail shut it down. So

1624
01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:16.359
who knows if this was the victim
of like high level strategic moving and shaking

1625
01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:20.479
or something and not actually a commentary
on the quality of the game. Hard

1626
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:26.079
to say. I wonder if it's
one of those like truly fucking dark decisions

1627
01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:29.800
of like, well, we announced
Phantom Dust when we needed to build credibility

1628
01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:31.640
with an audience that really hated us. As it turns out, we've turned

1629
01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:34.880
a lot of that around. We
don't need this game anymore. That's rough.

1630
01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:39.399
Why would you do that though?
Oh? I mean they say it's

1631
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:42.520
still in the works, So yeah, maybe they found another developer. Maybe

1632
01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:45.560
Dark Side did like completed its work
on the game, and Microsoft is taking

1633
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:48.119
it the rest of the way.
Maybe it's like, yeah, I mean

1634
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:53.760
someone was like, we were spending
that on what Maybe you know someone who

1635
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:58.520
could do it cheaper. Ah.
Yeah, it's forty million dollars for a

1636
01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:02.039
fucking card game. Come on,
I made that up. But that sounds

1637
01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:05.680
shitty. Yeah yeah. If if
that's the case, you're right though,

1638
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:10.920
someone who didn't know it's shit about
the projects stepped in and and shuttered it.

1639
01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:14.640
That's right. This is this isn't
the years of four Oh, come

1640
01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:17.720
on, not enough walking talk sequence
is in your card game? Right?

1641
01:41:18.920 --> 01:41:21.520
Yeah, you know, we don't
obviously have any idea what actually happened.

1642
01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:27.720
Maybe they were building it as a
micro transaction based game and Microsoft realized that

1643
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:30.840
that's not the direction they want to
be seen as moving in anymore. You

1644
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:33.479
know that there's a ton of different
totally, but you're you're right that this

1645
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:38.479
is especially interesting in the context of
this being one of those things that won

1646
01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:41.920
some hearts and minds for them totally
three last years when they were desperately in

1647
01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:45.680
need of it. Yes, so
that's a shame if they may end up

1648
01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:48.760
not making good on it, but
we will see, man. I guess

1649
01:41:51.000 --> 01:42:00.159
In other news, remember drive Club? Uh? Okay, yes, all

1650
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.039
right, let's talk about drive Club
all right again? Great? Uh,

1651
01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:08.359
let's talk about Jim Ryan ahead of
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, who you may

1652
01:42:08.439 --> 01:42:14.640
remember from the Amazing is that?
Actually? How are there really people who

1653
01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:18.000
say that? Yes, I don't
know how I feel about that. I

1654
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:21.119
think hang on, wait, I
think I'm coming around. How is that

1655
01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:29.600
any different than someone's saying like sness
Ski, Just think about it, Visualize

1656
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.159
the letters see in your head as
you say Ski sound like Ski. Yeah,

1657
01:42:33.359 --> 01:42:35.800
I think I'm coming around. It's
kind of fun to say, Yeah,

1658
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:39.760
I think I'm into it now,
all right, all right, you

1659
01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:45.079
win. So Jim Ryan, you
may remember from the from the extreme close

1660
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:50.000
up incident of games Calm. Yeah, okay, right, Jim Ryan.

1661
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:55.239
Of course, media recognition, right, okay, one of my all times

1662
01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:58.079
I don't know who runs Europe?
Who the fuck are these people? Yeah?

1663
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.800
Of course one of my all time
favor press conference snaffoos. Uh so,

1664
01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:06.840
uh, Metro's Game Central. I
believe it's the outlet is called Metro.

1665
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:10.880
I'm not quite clear on the lineage
here, but they did. They

1666
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:14.840
did a pretty solid interview with that
guy. Yeah, especially in light of

1667
01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:17.159
the kind of the hubbub around the
malanuro Rock Paper Shotgun interview last week.

1668
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:23.800
Uh. They called Jim napathological no
no, but they certainly put some hard

1669
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:27.159
questions to him. It's actually a
pretty solid interview. I read the whole

1670
01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:30.760
thing. You know. They're kind
of needling him about the kind of poor

1671
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:34.880
first party output so far and PSN
being down a lot. Give answers,

1672
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:39.479
like all political it's just like no, the answers to the questions make it

1673
01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:44.039
fairly evident. Why not a lot
of such interviews are conducted because you don't

1674
01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:48.520
really get a whole lot except kind
of sidestepping and you know, course spin

1675
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:55.640
and such. Sure, but but
Drive Club came up on the subject of

1676
01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.319
games launching broken. Yeah, that
happens a lot. Drive Club kind of

1677
01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:01.079
was the only offense or in the
Sony camp last year. Obviously most of

1678
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:04.199
the other games, most of the
other games were from other publishers, but

1679
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:08.760
they did, you know, they
did lean on the Drive Club angle quite

1680
01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:15.359
a bit. But at the end
of the conversation they turned to the PlayStation

1681
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:18.359
Plus edition of Drive Club. Yes, remember that the free version of Drive

1682
01:44:18.399 --> 01:44:23.600
Club was supposed to exist, and
you know, they kind of were talking

1683
01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:26.880
about the quality of the game,
and the PR guy had interjected in the

1684
01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:29.279
interview at this point saying, if
you play it now, it's really living

1685
01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:32.359
up to its expectations. The interviewer
says, I understand that you did a

1686
01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:35.520
lot better than some in addressing the
situation, but that was still three months,

1687
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:39.760
you know, the after release,
and is there're still going to be

1688
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:43.640
the free PlayStation Plus version. Jim
Ryan says, that's still being looked at.

1689
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:46.239
You can't guarantee that it will ever
happen. I can't say anything at

1690
01:44:46.279 --> 01:44:51.600
this stage, So not even going
on record saying that thing is still coming,

1691
01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:57.800
which interesting is a shame. Where
was the last time you played that,

1692
01:44:57.880 --> 01:45:00.800
Jeff? After they added Japan okay, they put out a weather patch

1693
01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:04.319
and added in an environment. They
put out the first set of DLC for

1694
01:45:04.359 --> 01:45:09.640
free, downloaded that put it in
drove a race and said, yeah,

1695
01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:13.319
I still don't want to play this
game, So would you go back to

1696
01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:15.960
it? No? No, I
mean I'm not gonna buy any of the

1697
01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:18.720
more and more of any of the
DLC they put out, Like it's a

1698
01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:23.560
bad game. I don't want to
play anymore. Like adding more tracks and

1699
01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:27.520
cars doesn't fix the crux of what's
wrong with that game. Let's say,

1700
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:30.119
let's say Jeff is perhaps not the
target audience for Drive Club PlayStation Plus addition,

1701
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:34.359
I couldn't say yeah, uh no, I mean I would, but

1702
01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:36.920
you know, a free version of
that game, that's that is the right

1703
01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:41.560
price for that product. I might
get you back in yeah, Like whatever

1704
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:43.199
you want to say about the game
itself. I mean, you know,

1705
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:47.439
they kind of sold PlayStation Plus on
the back of this thing. A little

1706
01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:49.399
bit yeah, among other things.
I mean it's you know, it's a

1707
01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:54.319
good service generally, Like they've done
a lot of good stuff with Plus.

1708
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:58.000
Yeah, but still for them to
have pitched something like this out there and

1709
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.640
then having walked back this are on
it. They should, I mean,

1710
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:03.359
it should come out at this point. They need to do a PlayStation Plus

1711
01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:09.199
version just to get it off the
books and fucking like we did it.

1712
01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:12.039
Stop you can stop asking, Oh
god, you know, otherwise it's one

1713
01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:15.560
of those weird black marks that dogs
them forever. Have to kind of cut

1714
01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.920
your losses and do it at some
point. Yeah, just to make good

1715
01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:23.479
they should like put it out and
then like a week later, say,

1716
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:29.199
we had to cancel the last Guardian
because his resources the PlayStation plush version of

1717
01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:31.840
Drive Club. Oh boys, understand, Thank you for understanding. Boy,

1718
01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:36.640
that would be fun day on the
internet. We couldn't afford it. Sorry,

1719
01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:40.520
that would be some interesting stuff.
But yeah, that's that's a pretty

1720
01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:45.520
decent interview. You want to go
check it out. See how a top

1721
01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:53.760
corporate figure and sidestubs some of these
very pointed questions. Yeah, let's see

1722
01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:59.600
the only other thing I pulled for
the news Assassin's creed unity. Remember all

1723
01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:03.159
the bullshit that came out along that
in the form of Companion mobile app and

1724
01:47:03.720 --> 01:47:08.600
we and website, and many say
like, there's like three different avenues of

1725
01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:12.720
bullshit emanating for that game. Which
one are we talking about specifically the Companion

1726
01:47:12.720 --> 01:47:15.199
app and then the initiates stuff,
which was the website, Okay, where

1727
01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:17.720
you were doing a bunch of other
stuff. Basically, there were a bunch

1728
01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.079
of treasure chests and things in the
game that you could come upon, you

1729
01:47:21.079 --> 01:47:23.960
could like go to the trouble of
getting to them, and when you try

1730
01:47:24.000 --> 01:47:27.199
to open them, you basically got
to hit with a big message saying like,

1731
01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:29.800
oh, you gotta go do this
and this and the Companion app first,

1732
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:32.319
oh, which you know, on
top of all the other things wrong

1733
01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:36.880
with that game did not leave a
good impression. So they have finally gone

1734
01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:43.039
to the lengths of divorcing all that
stuff in the game from that the external

1735
01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:49.600
things. So any of the treasure
chests you find that required some external involvement,

1736
01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:54.720
apparently we'll just open now. Great, that's totally what I was waiting

1737
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:57.239
for. Which, yeah, although
you know, I actually have been meaning

1738
01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.199
to check that game out, and
it's not like this is gonna you know,

1739
01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.039
it's not gonna be a night and
day sort of thing, but it's

1740
01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:05.039
like a little extra incentive to be
like, all right, all right,

1741
01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:08.560
I'll find it take I mean,
I guess, you know, I sort

1742
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.880
of wonder where it's at these days, if it's cleaned up to an acceptable

1743
01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:15.039
level or not. Yeah, the
kind of like you look at this and

1744
01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:15.840
you're like, all right, well, they screwed up. They went way

1745
01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.800
too far, but at least they
finally walked it back. But the concerning

1746
01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:23.920
thing to me is that they had
so many technical problems with those things that

1747
01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:26.760
I wonder if this was them just
abandoning it, because they never got it

1748
01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:30.199
quite working right right, so that
would not necessarily get it right next to

1749
01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:31.920
your right. That's the scary thing. It's like maybe they're just gonna do

1750
01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:34.920
it again, but actually make it
worth this time, which I hope not.

1751
01:48:36.319 --> 01:48:40.560
I had so much right into my
tumbler asking if they should buy grow

1752
01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:44.680
Home or not because they felt bad
about giving youb soft money, which was

1753
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:47.479
a tough question to answer, and
I said, yeah, like I feel

1754
01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:51.960
like that game kind of transcends your
moral peak, and more money that gets

1755
01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.039
the more they go, like wells. Yeah, yeah, you know,

1756
01:48:55.079 --> 01:48:57.680
and it's yeah, it's like that
this thing, this thing is, this

1757
01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.439
thing doesn't if you play. This
thing doesn't have micro transactions any of those

1758
01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:02.920
other stuff. They like it when
we don't have you play. It's just

1759
01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:06.159
a fun little video game without any
frills or bullshit. I did see someone

1760
01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:11.439
else point out that grow Home is
basically one long tower climb and yeah stucks

1761
01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:14.840
right to the UBI Soft. Yeah
I've gotten I've gotten them. Yeah we've

1762
01:49:14.880 --> 01:49:18.199
gotten that to the podcast before.
But I don't know that game's great.

1763
01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.640
Yea. They put out new content
for that game. Yeah, what is

1764
01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:23.399
the new content I heard about.
I haven't played it. I meant to

1765
01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:25.600
crack into it over the weekend.
I didn't get a chance, but they

1766
01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:29.880
put out a trailer. It makes
it look like they seated the world with

1767
01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:32.640
a bunch of new wildlife and there's
like just the sheep. Yeah, there's

1768
01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:35.479
some other types of animals wandering around
and stuff. And it looks like there

1769
01:49:35.479 --> 01:49:40.960
are some side quests now for dragging
the animals into the teleporters, which is

1770
01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.520
the thing I was already having fun
doing. Anyway, official quests they basically

1771
01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:46.399
just codified the thing that was really
dumb and fun to do. Anyway,

1772
01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:49.520
did the sheep ever actually teleport because
I would risk and they would just like

1773
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:53.319
sit there and stare at me.
So you have to get in there and

1774
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:56.199
activate the teleporter. Oh and there
it goes out. But if you're holding

1775
01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:59.000
onto an animal when you turn the
teleporter on, it will totally come with

1776
01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:02.680
you. Why, yes, there
is, there is totally. Uh so

1777
01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:06.119
the sheeps are called I forget what
anyway, there there is a brundle fly

1778
01:50:06.279 --> 01:50:13.439
reference in one of the achievement names
based on the animal names. The game's

1779
01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:16.600
cool. Everybody should play that.
I will say for the like fourth week

1780
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:18.920
in a row. I've got some
bonus news here. Oh yeah, that

1781
01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:23.159
just came in, like the late
breaking news breaking. That's the peril of

1782
01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:27.920
recording on Mondays. You never know
what's gonna happen. Yeah. Valve is

1783
01:50:27.960 --> 01:50:33.720
going to show the final Steam controller
at g DC Wow, along with some

1784
01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:41.840
new Steam machines, new living room
devices in a previously unannounced Steam VR hardware

1785
01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:46.399
system. Wow wow. Uh so
they're they're giving demos to developers and publishers

1786
01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:51.399
at the show, and yeah,
that's what they're showing. Cool, Okay,

1787
01:50:51.439 --> 01:50:55.800
that's that's kind of unexpected because they
had, you know, they had

1788
01:50:55.800 --> 01:51:00.279
lost a number of people in their
kind of hardware are type group and dude

1789
01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:01.319
to hurt so little for so long, it kind of seemed like they were

1790
01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:05.840
maybe walking back that project. Yeah, So to hear that they've got final

1791
01:51:05.920 --> 01:51:09.920
stuff that they're confident in. Yeah, they've padded out this press release with

1792
01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:15.000
some numbers as well. One hundred
and twenty five million active accounts worldwide.

1793
01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:16.079
Wow, on this team, it's
a lot of users. It's a lot

1794
01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:25.079
and games also a lot of games. Yeah cool, all right, Well

1795
01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:29.239
yeah, final Steam controller. I
don't know if I care. Yeah,

1796
01:51:29.279 --> 01:51:32.720
I don't know. Everyone's building for
Xbox style controllers, right, and like

1797
01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:35.800
they're I don't know if they're still
going after this. But their original stated

1798
01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:40.560
goal of like making mouse driven games
playable with a controller or like most mouse

1799
01:51:40.640 --> 01:51:44.000
driven games, I'd rather just play
with a mouse, you know, unless

1800
01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:47.920
it's something super low weight, like
a civilization or something that doesn't require a

1801
01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:50.920
lot of precision. But I guess
that was always going to be the main

1802
01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:55.760
idea, right, they weren't necessarily
building it like for hardcore go to right,

1803
01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:59.600
I couldn't even see it working for
something like Total War. Oh yeah,

1804
01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:02.960
yeah, do you want to play
Plague inc? That's fair, that's

1805
01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.479
fair. Yeah, I guess just
you know, kind of fast competitive games

1806
01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:08.560
wouldn't be so well suited. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm

1807
01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:11.520
just I still don't have a PC
hooked up to a TV, and that's

1808
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:16.800
not living room computers look sintizing to
you. No, I got I gotta

1809
01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:19.479
bought a big monitor. I want
to sit close to it and have a

1810
01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:26.119
second monitor room running all the other
weird shit machine steam machines. I actually

1811
01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:30.399
went on new Egg and put together
a like what if I were to build

1812
01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:34.239
a computer to plug into my television? Just just priceing it out. Yeah,

1813
01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:40.119
it was like it was like seven
hundred bucks. It's not terrible.

1814
01:52:40.199 --> 01:52:43.279
Were you targeting like a smaller form
factor, like something that would like fit

1815
01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:46.479
in an entertainment center center? Yes, And like I didn't put a big

1816
01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:50.760
video card in it because I wanted
to do like the Steam home streaming thing,

1817
01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:56.960
which I'm also not sure is a
viable thing. I've been I've tried

1818
01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.720
to use that a few times and
it has not been great. Really,

1819
01:53:00.199 --> 01:53:01.239
So what do you do with yours? Like I saw the case you've got,

1820
01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:04.680
and it's huge, and my huge, ridiculous one is hooked up to

1821
01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:10.039
my TV, and then I have
my old computer hooked up to this monitor

1822
01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:12.760
and it's a really good monitor in
my bedroom. And so I figured,

1823
01:53:12.840 --> 01:53:15.600
like, oh, I could stream
the super powerful computer to hear with the

1824
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:17.159
steam and home thing. Okay,
so you could do the reverse of what

1825
01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:19.800
I was gonna do. I guess, yeah, I was gonna stream it

1826
01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:27.439
to your my bedroom monitor thing.
Yeah, and yeah, it's just it

1827
01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:30.680
says low connection a lot of time. We have pretty good internet and it's

1828
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:33.159
it's not great. So I've tried
it and it didn't have any connection issues

1829
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.359
because I mean it's all in the
same land. It shouldn't actually be a

1830
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:38.920
problem. But were you going over
Wi Fi to end minds Wi Fi?

1831
01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.039
Okay, that way, that's probably
the problem. Okay, Well, I

1832
01:53:42.279 --> 01:53:44.600
mean I was going over Wi Fi
with mine as well, and it wasn't.

1833
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:45.920
Well, you're in a house.
I had a surface tablet hooked up

1834
01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:49.840
over Wi Fi San Francisco. Wi
Fi interference is pretty fucking bad in a

1835
01:53:49.880 --> 01:53:55.600
lot of places. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I have to use in

1836
01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:59.600
my house because they're about literally about
thirty other two point four gear hurts networks.

1837
01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:01.399
Anyway, it was doable. It
just you know, like it looks

1838
01:54:01.439 --> 01:54:06.039
like video and there's just a tiny
smidge of latency to that you notice,

1839
01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:10.119
and it just wasn't the way I
want to play games. So it's like

1840
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:14.439
you could do it, but nope, I hear I hear about like like

1841
01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:16.359
a like kind of a common use
case for it from like friends I have

1842
01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:19.199
who are parents. Is that like, oh, the TV isn't use or

1843
01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:26.119
you know, sure, like kind
of weird weird configurations of you know,

1844
01:54:26.119 --> 01:54:28.880
people using different screens in the house
where it's like if I want to play

1845
01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:30.680
this game, I'm gonna have to
stream it right now, or I'm just

1846
01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:32.039
gonna have to wait five hours,
right, Yeah, that kind of thing.

1847
01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:36.239
So it's it's kind of more of
a uh, you know, it's

1848
01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:41.000
kind of a good enough a situation
when when the ideal is not available.

1849
01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:45.920
Uh, Drew, let me know
if you do that. Okay, curious.

1850
01:54:45.479 --> 01:54:48.279
I gave it a shot on my
Mac Minnie, which is plugged into

1851
01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:51.640
my uh TV. That didn't really
work. No, those things are not

1852
01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:55.720
built for cans. No, holy
shit. No, Well, I mean

1853
01:54:55.720 --> 01:55:00.000
it's it's not a game, it's
the Steam streaming thing. But oh right,

1854
01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:02.039
you're just trying to stream. Yeah, okay, okay, so you're

1855
01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:04.720
not gonna run any games, then
I think you can put at least a

1856
01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:09.600
halfway decent video card and even like
a small form factor at this point.

1857
01:55:10.239 --> 01:55:12.680
Oh sure, Yeah, I was
just saying, yeah, my Mac minim's

1858
01:55:12.680 --> 01:55:15.159
not up to the task. But
yeah, I don't know. I'd also

1859
01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:18.800
like a yeah, I might get
a shot. I don't know, or

1860
01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:23.079
I might wait until this GDC stuff. Yeah. See what these news steamchines

1861
01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:26.800
are. See I got that stuff
worked out, all right. Linux.

1862
01:55:27.079 --> 01:55:32.439
Yeah, a Lynx the Future.
It's the year of the Linux desktop for

1863
01:55:32.479 --> 01:55:38.319
the twentieth year running. Ye uh, you got any other breaking news?

1864
01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:41.760
No, man, that's it.
Emails. It's sign for emails animals.

1865
01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:45.640
Yep, all right, something like
that podcast Jabob dot com. Oh where

1866
01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:47.119
it goes? Okay, that's an
email dry all right, let's where you

1867
01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:53.399
sending the emails? All right now? Man, Brian from Virginia says I

1868
01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:59.079
don't believe Dan's Zelda claims. Mhm, what claim? I'll read the email?

1869
01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:02.239
Okay, good morning. A steamed
Giant bomb crew during his quick look

1870
01:56:02.239 --> 01:56:05.680
of Major's mask. Dan claimed that
he has beaten every Zelda game aside from

1871
01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:10.520
Zelda two. Did Dan really mean
that? Do you forget all of the

1872
01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:14.439
mediocre to bad Zelda games that came
out for handheld systems, such as Links

1873
01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.760
Awakening, Oracle of Ages and Seasons, Minish Cap, Phantom our Glass,

1874
01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:21.920
and Spirit Tracks. My respect for
Dan will grow if he actually tackled those

1875
01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:26.279
handheld games. Before you answer no, you don't, go ahead and answer

1876
01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:29.760
and then I'll you know what,
I was just trying to think. I

1877
01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:30.920
yes, all of those he named, like, I really like Oracle of

1878
01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:34.199
Ages and Seasons. YEA Minish Cap
is really underrated. That's a great game.

1879
01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:38.279
I was trying to remember Phantom ower
Glass. I liked the Lita beat

1880
01:56:38.359 --> 01:56:44.920
that Spirit Tracks. I remember really
disliking it, but I think I beat

1881
01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:48.039
it. Uh man. I just
I hated the train stuff and it just

1882
01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:50.399
didn't feel like I had an open
overworld at all. I remember a lot

1883
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:54.920
of complaints about I don't remember hating
Spirit Tracks like I feel like people look

1884
01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.319
back on Spirit Tracks now. I'm
just going, man, fuck that game.

1885
01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:00.359
But I remember playing it the tables, I was kind of okay.

1886
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:03.319
I didn't play Spirit Tracks, but
I freaking love Phantom our Glass. YEA

1887
01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:06.720
Phantom Aeraglass is that one damn puzzle
where you gotta like take the map and

1888
01:57:06.720 --> 01:57:10.720
put it on the other screen.
And the solution is that you shut your

1889
01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:13.920
DS while the map is on the
top screen and you shut it and while

1890
01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:15.520
it's shut it makes the Zelda chime. It's like, holy shit, I

1891
01:57:15.560 --> 01:57:20.439
just imprinted it. That's so cool. Yeah, and it makes the sailing

1892
01:57:20.439 --> 01:57:24.079
stuff so much better with drawing on
the screen everything. Yeah, it was.

1893
01:57:24.159 --> 01:57:26.880
That's a great game. So yes, I have beating all those games.

1894
01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.760
The only one I'm not one hundred
percent on is Spirit Tracks because I

1895
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:31.760
can't remember much of it because that
is one where I definitely just played it

1896
01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:34.680
once, you know, if I
beat it. Giant Bombs. Jeff Gersman

1897
01:57:34.840 --> 01:57:38.239
gave it a four out of five
in two thousand and nine. It said

1898
01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:41.479
Spirit Tracks is filled with good moments, the tweak the series standards an interesting

1899
01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:45.960
way, and I did not like
Spirit Tracks. It's it's my least favorite.

1900
01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:47.600
I always thought about checking it out
because I liked Phantom our Lasts so

1901
01:57:47.680 --> 01:57:51.319
much, but no half the reason
I told thee mature of Link then what

1902
01:57:51.479 --> 01:57:54.760
didn't finish The Adventure of Link.
That's the one I have not beat.

1903
01:57:54.920 --> 01:57:57.840
Why not again? It was when
did that come out? Like eighty eight,

1904
01:57:58.000 --> 01:58:00.760
eighty seven or something like that was
born in eighty four, you know,

1905
01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.520
like, ok, you know the
first one. I grew up watching

1906
01:58:02.600 --> 01:58:05.319
my dad and stepdad playing stuff,
and when I got older, it's like,

1907
01:58:05.359 --> 01:58:08.399
Okay, I'm going to play this. I've seen enough of this game

1908
01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.680
too. Never got really played in
my household. I owned it and I

1909
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:13.840
tried to beat it, but I
was really young and you could have gone

1910
01:58:13.880 --> 01:58:15.680
back to it. I've tried a
couple of times. I've gotten really far

1911
01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:19.000
in it. I just haven't beaten
it. There's this gaping hole in your

1912
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:23.600
Zelda track record. Yeah yeah,
really, it makes all the other games

1913
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:26.479
makes sense. It's kind of the
lynchpin that ties the lore together, right,

1914
01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:30.840
I've heard that in Highlatory yea yeah. Oh man. I became aware

1915
01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:33.800
of the high Rol historia over the
weekend and it almost fell down that stupid

1916
01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:36.840
rabbit hole and like, no,
what am I doing. It's like the

1917
01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:43.800
official lore with the timeline of It's
just a big hardcover like thirty five dollars.

1918
01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:47.840
Zelda book for like lore and characters, it's the thing that supposedly establishes

1919
01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:53.000
the chronology of like here's the order
the Zelda's happened in. There's like actual

1920
01:58:53.039 --> 01:58:56.520
information there. I was watching some
videos over the weekend of Madora's Mask and

1921
01:58:56.600 --> 01:59:00.600
like these theories that he's dead and
I didn't know that, Like the link

1922
01:59:00.720 --> 01:59:03.880
from Okareine of Time shows up as
an enemy and Twilight Princess as this big

1923
01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:09.319
like stalthost Night called Shade or whatever, and he's actually directly talking about how

1924
01:59:09.359 --> 01:59:11.680
like, oh, i used to
be this hero of time and now I'm

1925
01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:15.399
a dude. I'm a skeleton dude. Like I guess that has talked about

1926
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:18.119
and Hiroa story is like yeah,
that Ocaena link is totally this skeleton dude,

1927
01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:21.479
and what Twilight Yeah what Yeah?
There is a pretty interesting, uh

1928
01:59:21.760 --> 01:59:27.479
majora Link is dead video. I
watched It's it's it's pretty cool when it

1929
01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:30.279
comes in the form of fan theory. I think it's fine and kind of

1930
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.319
cool because you can kind of embrace
it or ignore it as you see fit.

1931
01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:36.319
You weren't really dead, were you. But when they went to the

1932
01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:42.359
trouble of putting out this ridiculous book, like arbitrarily kind of putting these things

1933
01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:45.880
in order and stuff, and this
is how they meant it all. Come

1934
01:59:45.920 --> 01:59:47.840
on, just enjoy the games,
like who fucking cares? Yeah, that's

1935
01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:53.680
kind of half the reason that I
pulled this email was this guy's ridiculous assertion

1936
01:59:54.880 --> 01:59:59.479
that the handheld games are quote mediocre, too bad? What those are?

1937
01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:00.880
Good? Game? Like? Those
are shifted those right like a lot of

1938
02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:05.880
Capcom The Capcom ones were Oracle of
Ages, Seasons and minish, the links

1939
02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:09.960
were not. Those were links Awakening
I think was a Nintendo. Yes,

1940
02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:13.359
yes, I've never those were cool
fucking games. I've never I've never played

1941
02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:15.960
links Awakening, but there's like a
huge reverence for that. There is,

1942
02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:17.279
and a lot of some people say
it's better than Lengths of the Past,

1943
02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.239
which is crazy. I man,
I be links Awakening a couple of times

1944
02:00:21.439 --> 02:00:26.159
once, just a couple of years
ago. I don't get the crazy amount

1945
02:00:26.159 --> 02:00:29.399
of reverence it gets. I know
again I was, but it's liked like

1946
02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:30.319
you wouldn't call it, you wouldn't
call it bad. No, it's a

1947
02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:33.640
good game. But I think all
of the other porter ones portable ones,

1948
02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:35.960
besides Spirit tracks, are better than
it. Yeah, the Oracle games,

1949
02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:41.000
Best Cap like those are all really
good, solid, all the games.

1950
02:00:41.199 --> 02:00:43.760
Sure. I like the Adventure of
Link. A lot of people do too,

1951
02:00:43.840 --> 02:00:45.119
A lot of people don't know.
I like quite a bit. We

1952
02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:48.199
talked about it during the Quick Look, and I want to clarify I don't

1953
02:00:48.239 --> 02:00:50.399
dislike it. I don't dislike it. I've just never beaten it. I

1954
02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:54.159
think it's cool that it went so
out there with you know, super out

1955
02:00:55.439 --> 02:00:59.039
the side scrolling Zelda game and you
level up, there's experience points like the

1956
02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:01.119
CDI games. Good. Yeah,
yeah, I think it did a lot

1957
02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:04.640
of really cool things. There's a
guy called Horsehead. Yeah, there's a

1958
02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:10.000
guy called Error. Yeah, I
am Error. That's right. He will

1959
02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:14.600
happily tell you his name. That's
right. I've been thinking about that game

1960
02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:16.800
off and on since the Seconds remix
came out, because there, as much

1961
02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:19.000
as all the two challenges and that
thing, there's a lot of weird bullshit

1962
02:01:19.079 --> 02:01:20.760
in that game. I was just
like, how am I supposed to have

1963
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:26.720
figured this out normally? And you're
fucking poorly localized, fucked up game.

1964
02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:31.680
But you know, at a time
when every game was fucked up in that

1965
02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:36.960
way, it was cool. We
should we should check that game out good

1966
02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:40.560
music in some capacity. Yeah,
if only we had a room that could

1967
02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:45.239
play any as games, Yeah that
would be nice. Yeah, uh yeah,

1968
02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:49.520
who knows. Gretchen from Des Moines
writes in about new ways to review.

1969
02:01:51.399 --> 02:01:55.119
She says, recently, it seems
like quite a few video game review

1970
02:01:55.159 --> 02:01:59.720
sites are moving away from giving video
game reviews numbers or stars or letters or

1971
02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:02.199
whatever as a way to gauge how
good something is. This is fine with

1972
02:02:02.279 --> 02:02:05.319
me because I've long ago realized there
isn't really much of a difference between a

1973
02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:09.319
seventy five percent game and an eighty
two percent, or a C plus and

1974
02:02:09.359 --> 02:02:12.279
a B minus. So basically just
a yeah, it's good or not,

1975
02:02:12.479 --> 02:02:15.720
it's not as all I really need. However, I did remember that back

1976
02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:19.159
in the ancient days of writing about
video games on the Internet, a website

1977
02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:23.960
named Old Man Murray put forth probably
the best review metric I've ever seen,

1978
02:02:24.479 --> 02:02:28.880
Time till create, time to create. Basic gist is that creates or barrels

1979
02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:32.319
are basically the game designers saying I
give up, So when you first see

1980
02:02:32.359 --> 02:02:35.920
one, that is when the game
becomes bad. For example, Doom begins

1981
02:02:35.960 --> 02:02:41.039
with you staring right at a barrel
whereas in Blood you actually have to fight

1982
02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.159
a few guys before you see the
first one. So therefore Blood is a

1983
02:02:44.199 --> 02:02:46.840
better game than Doom. So anyway, what I'm getting at here is have

1984
02:02:46.960 --> 02:02:51.880
you all ever considered doing away with
signing stars to your reviews? No?

1985
02:02:54.239 --> 02:02:57.399
All, right, next email?
No, No, that does never really

1986
02:02:57.439 --> 02:03:00.279
seriously come up. But I mean
it's you know, like it doesn't any

1987
02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:02.960
one having it there. And it's
one of those things where like, I'm

1988
02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:08.800
a believer in kind of serving people
with as much information as they want.

1989
02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:12.840
So if someone comes in and they
just they only want a score and a

1990
02:03:13.000 --> 02:03:16.319
deck and then they're out, that's
fine. I'll offer that. Yeah,

1991
02:03:16.680 --> 02:03:19.560
I still think people should read the
full review, but I'm not so precious

1992
02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:23.239
with my words as to say like, oh, you have to read the

1993
02:03:23.279 --> 02:03:27.359
whole thing to get the gist of
what I have to say about this work.

1994
02:03:28.039 --> 02:03:30.600
And people just read the last paragraph, yeah exactly, and they just

1995
02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:32.960
scroll to the bottom read the last
one. So it's worth Yeah, you

1996
02:03:33.039 --> 02:03:39.520
know, that's that's fine. I
still feel strongly that the five star scale

1997
02:03:39.680 --> 02:03:45.359
is the one. Yep, I
feel good about it. It's it's broad

1998
02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:47.920
but but still specific enough to get
the point across. It's broad in a

1999
02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:53.319
way that prevents the old problem of
like when you had one hundred point scale

2000
02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:56.800
and you had games getting eight point
five versus eight point six and trying to

2001
02:03:56.880 --> 02:04:00.600
determine what the fuck does that even
mean? Like, it eliminates that part

2002
02:04:00.640 --> 02:04:04.439
of it, and it prevents people
from reading into those small variances and scores

2003
02:04:04.760 --> 02:04:08.920
and taking it to mean that one
game is better than the other. It

2004
02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:11.720
means that we give a whole lot
of the same score. Yeah, but

2005
02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:15.560
that's fine. Scores are not meant
to be necessarily compared to one another.

2006
02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:19.840
It's just meant to give you an
at a glance look at what the general

2007
02:04:19.960 --> 02:04:24.279
opinion is on this game. Yeah, when we first when we first switched

2008
02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:26.640
to it, when we first came
over here, I found it harder to

2009
02:04:26.720 --> 02:04:29.880
work with, Yeah, because you
had to commit, you know, like

2010
02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:32.239
the gap, the gulf between a
four and a three is huge, Like

2011
02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:36.079
the message that sends is huge.
So it's like, shit, I what

2012
02:04:36.199 --> 02:04:40.439
you're really saying. I'm really making
a statement here with either of these scores,

2013
02:04:40.479 --> 02:04:43.359
Like it's going to dramatically changed the
impression somebody gets from the score.

2014
02:04:43.520 --> 02:04:45.960
Right, it makes you think a
lot harder about that, because yeah,

2015
02:04:45.960 --> 02:04:49.479
I've I've worked places with a hundred
point scales and with I guess forty point

2016
02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:53.560
scales, and with that, you
know, at the last place, I'm

2017
02:04:53.600 --> 02:04:56.880
a seven point zero or a seven
point two five. Ye, not much

2018
02:04:56.920 --> 02:04:59.600
thought needs to go into that,
but like between a two and a three,

2019
02:05:00.039 --> 02:05:01.159
like when I'm doing like Kirby or
something, that's a lot bigger.

2020
02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:08.680
Yeah, it's huge, And we
run a lot into situations where the text

2021
02:05:08.800 --> 02:05:14.000
is there, and then we sort
of assign well, not I haven't written

2022
02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:16.319
so many reviews, but you guys
assigned a star after you've written it,

2023
02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:19.560
right, Yeah, Well, the
reviewer always has like a score in mind.

2024
02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:24.319
It's more about like does the text
match up with the score or does

2025
02:05:24.399 --> 02:05:27.199
it sound more positive or here here's
where I think about this game. Does

2026
02:05:27.199 --> 02:05:30.359
this game sound okay or bad or
okay or good or great? Right?

2027
02:05:30.399 --> 02:05:32.920
You know that's that's that's the whole
rubric for me. Like that's like when

2028
02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:35.880
you want to come up with score, it's just like, how would you

2029
02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:40.119
tell somebody this game is like it's
terrible, it's not that great, it's

2030
02:05:40.159 --> 02:05:43.399
okay, it's pretty good, it's
great. Yeah, Like that's kind of

2031
02:05:43.399 --> 02:05:45.800
it. I imagine when you assigned
the score changes the game the game.

2032
02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:49.560
Is that true? Oh yeah?
Yeah. I mean you can write a

2033
02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:53.840
review thinking it's going to be like
a three star, and then when you're

2034
02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:56.640
done writing all the text, if
you look at it and you realize that,

2035
02:05:56.680 --> 02:05:58.600
like, man, I only had
negative stuff to say about this,

2036
02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:00.760
and this reads more like a two
star. Yeah. So yeah, well,

2037
02:06:00.760 --> 02:06:03.520
I mean I've I've sat down and
started playing a review game and new

2038
02:06:03.560 --> 02:06:05.840
fifteen minutes in, I was like, this feels like three star game,

2039
02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:09.760
and like that ended up being the
score. But you know, you don't

2040
02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.439
know for sure until you get there. Yeah. I've also jumped into games

2041
02:06:12.479 --> 02:06:14.720
and thought like this is this seems
like a four star game, and at

2042
02:06:14.720 --> 02:06:16.520
the end you've been like, this
is a two star game. Wow,

2043
02:06:16.560 --> 02:06:20.000
that's that's a pretty big swing.
Y uh. Like I thought I thought

2044
02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:24.119
Shadow of Mortor was gonna be a
four star game for most of it until

2045
02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:28.520
the last five or six hour Well
maybe not quite that late, but definitely,

2046
02:06:28.600 --> 02:06:30.600
like probably two thirds through it or
something, I just thought it got

2047
02:06:30.640 --> 02:06:36.319
better and better. Anyway. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with offering more options

2048
02:06:36.359 --> 02:06:40.319
to people instead of less. Yeah, you know, and and yeah,

2049
02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:47.079
there's nothing wrong with scores indeed.
Uh don from Camarillo, California. Yeah,

2050
02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:51.560
that ring a bell? Yeah?
Where is that south? Okay,

2051
02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:57.159
camar Rio came rio? I never
know, Yeah, I never know.

2052
02:06:57.319 --> 02:07:00.319
Like some some Spanish words get pronounced
properly around year and some specifically do not.

2053
02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:06.680
Yeah, uh, like like I
almost always hear cabrillo right instead of

2054
02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:13.039
cabrillo. Yeah, so you never
know anyway, don uh. It's going

2055
02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:15.840
to E three for the first time, sure, and want some advice.

2056
02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:18.199
This will be my first year attending
E three as a working man. I

2057
02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:21.279
went. I'm sorry it's not his
first time, but first time with a

2058
02:07:21.359 --> 02:07:25.640
job. I went once about ten
years ago as a student and remember just

2059
02:07:25.760 --> 02:07:29.800
being overwhelmed by everything. I'll be
the only person from my company attending,

2060
02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:31.520
as most of the company is in
full go time when E three happens.

2061
02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:36.000
I just happened to have a break
between projects and I'll probably only have one

2062
02:07:36.119 --> 02:07:40.399
day at the conference before work calls
me back. Drawing on your many years

2063
02:07:40.439 --> 02:07:43.039
of going to E three, do
you have any tips or things I should

2064
02:07:43.079 --> 02:07:45.960
know before going. I mean,
if you have like industry contacts, like

2065
02:07:46.039 --> 02:07:49.199
PR people or whatever, in their
games, you specifically want to see get

2066
02:07:49.239 --> 02:07:51.520
a hold of them and see if
you can set up an appointment, because

2067
02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:54.319
otherwise, you know, if you
don't have appointments, you're just kind of

2068
02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:57.199
wander around the show floor and you're
waiting in line and you've got time to

2069
02:07:57.199 --> 02:07:59.600
see. Like, we don't know
what line of work this, Yeah,

2070
02:07:59.640 --> 02:08:03.319
that's I guess I'm just assuming going
to you three like mostly people doing something.

2071
02:08:03.479 --> 02:08:05.960
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, it sounds like he's probably a

2072
02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:09.319
developer, he says he's or kind
of tangentially Okay, yeah, I guess,

2073
02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:13.920
like you know, there's a lot
of companies that tangentially kind of rub

2074
02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:16.720
up against the game industry. I
went straight to journalism. But yeah,

2075
02:08:16.840 --> 02:08:20.800
I think if you know people at
different publishers and want to see stuff,

2076
02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:22.119
then I would try to, yeah, say like hey let me back,

2077
02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:24.479
let me back there to see what
you got or something like that. But

2078
02:08:24.600 --> 02:08:26.680
you know, generally, yeah,
you're kind of gonna walk and want to

2079
02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:30.800
spend your day walking around the show
floor playing what's out there because you're not

2080
02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:33.960
gonna necessarily be able to get in
the back to Yeah, some of the

2081
02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:37.000
stuff that's only the back, right, My biggest piece of advice is don't

2082
02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:39.760
waste your time waiting in lines.
Well, yeah, specifically like three four

2083
02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:43.039
hour lines, like you know,
blow half your day on seeing one new

2084
02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:46.520
thing. Do you remember zero six? Like the line for the weed,

2085
02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:48.319
there were people waiting in line like
eight or nine hours. Right when the

2086
02:08:48.359 --> 02:08:50.840
doors open, they would run in
the back of the line. Did that.

2087
02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:54.039
Yeah, there were totally people.
That was the worst era of it.

2088
02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:56.720
But there were totally people wasting their
entire day in the line for one

2089
02:08:56.800 --> 02:09:00.199
thing, and then like the show
forward opening, they would just run.

2090
02:09:00.319 --> 02:09:03.079
They were able to barrel through the
doors like a Black Friday. Yeah,

2091
02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:03.920
it was just like what the fuck
is going on? Like it was it

2092
02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:07.439
was borderline industry show, Like what's
how is this? How is this allowed

2093
02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:11.479
to happen? What the fucks on? College student? It was like borderline

2094
02:09:11.479 --> 02:09:13.279
weird, borderline I don't want to
say violent, but like somebody could have

2095
02:09:13.359 --> 02:09:18.520
probably gotten shrimpled. Yeah, then
it just winds were very like running with

2096
02:09:18.079 --> 02:09:20.640
intent toward the thing, and then
they just have to sit on the ground

2097
02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.920
and play d S games for like
eight hours. Like it's just it's just

2098
02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:26.520
not worth your time. Like there's
so many other things you could be out

2099
02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:28.760
there checking out. Yeah, wear
comfortable shoes, yes, yeah, so

2100
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:33.079
that that sucks. The food at
the convention center is expensive. They have

2101
02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:37.720
terrible good Yep, they're good.
I love those. There's a bunch of

2102
02:09:37.760 --> 02:09:41.880
food trucks in there now. It's
usually like emotional stuff that I've seen this

2103
02:09:43.000 --> 02:09:46.680
year storm food. Last year there
was like a well, like food trucks

2104
02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:50.000
have become like a bigger cultural like
phenomenon or whatever. Now, but there

2105
02:09:50.039 --> 02:09:52.359
are food trucks between the two halls
that outdoor walk between the two halls.

2106
02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:54.359
Like, there's a bunch of food
trucks, but they number several of them.

2107
02:09:54.399 --> 02:09:58.039
This year. Is a beer there, Yeah, it's some mid day

2108
02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:01.760
fucking beersty three That sounds like a
great fucking yeah, let's take the edge

2109
02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:07.920
off at this fucking, super loud, nightmarish, awesome fucking mess. If

2110
02:10:07.920 --> 02:10:09.399
I wasn't on the clock, I
would totally have a couple of beers before

2111
02:10:09.439 --> 02:10:16.880
I hit the floor. Now you're
living. Yes, it's a really good

2112
02:10:16.920 --> 02:10:20.199
grilled cheese truck in the middle of
there, and then a surprisingly good considering

2113
02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:24.119
its California barbecue truck that I've seen
the last sever years. All Right,

2114
02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:30.279
then, uh Dustin from Houston,
Houston, Dustin, Yep, Houston.

2115
02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:35.840
Dustin writes in about Sault Caliber beef
all right, uh also delicious? Yeah

2116
02:10:37.560 --> 02:10:41.840
that food truck. Hey, bobcast
crew. I want to know why Jeff

2117
02:10:41.840 --> 02:10:45.520
thinks equating a game to dorm dorm
room fun is a bad thing. He

2118
02:10:45.600 --> 02:10:48.960
did this last week with Saul Caliber
and Golden Eye. No, don't at

2119
02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:50.279
no point that I say that's bad. It just means that it has an

2120
02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:54.800
appeal, like a widespread appeal wider
than it's genre typically. Lets on,

2121
02:10:56.079 --> 02:11:00.600
sure, like fighting games aren't always
super accessible, Saul Caliber is uh yeah,

2122
02:11:00.640 --> 02:11:03.560
like Virtual Fighter five wouldn't have been
a big dorm game exactly. Yeah,

2123
02:11:03.640 --> 02:11:07.279
yeah, I think I think you
just rendered uh like redundant. The

2124
02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:11.880
rest of the email, it's pretty
much just going into detail about answered.

2125
02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:15.920
You know, so Calbert wasn't.
In my opinion, Still, it is

2126
02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:18.920
one of the best finding games around, accessible for newcomers totally as you say,

2127
02:11:20.119 --> 02:11:22.720
yes, like be really good dorm
because anyone can pick it up and

2128
02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:26.399
enjoy it. Yes, all right, then question answered? Hope that helps

2129
02:11:26.600 --> 02:11:33.079
Houston Dusson Jordan from Columbus, Ohio, Columbus Justin yeah, Columbus, Columbus.

2130
02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:39.680
Jordan, Uh, Columbus. Oh
uh. This email is entitled reach

2131
02:11:39.800 --> 02:11:45.880
Quit tear Bugs. In the last
podcast, Dan said he one it Red

2132
02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:48.760
Dead Redemption. This reminded me of
a few a few years ago when my

2133
02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:54.399
friend was doing the last thing necessary, killing the final buffalo. When the

2134
02:11:54.479 --> 02:11:58.479
game bugged, the buffalo disappeared and
the game saved, permanently locking him out

2135
02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:03.359
of the one one hundred percent.
Jesus, have any of the bombers had

2136
02:12:03.399 --> 02:12:05.640
a bug so bad it calls you
to put the game down never to return.

2137
02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:09.840
Well, that game that you know, that would have been one hundred

2138
02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:13.279
percent, So he's gonna put it
down either way. Yeah. Yeah,

2139
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:16.279
but that's like one hundred point achievement. Yeah, like a hundred percent.

2140
02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:18.920
And that thing is a big ass
achievement. I think it is actually one

2141
02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:22.079
hundred points, Like, yeah,
serious achievement. I was close and Red

2142
02:12:22.119 --> 02:12:24.279
Dead actually through my own fault,
but it actually worked out all right.

2143
02:12:24.520 --> 02:12:28.640
I was doing the last side mission
and it was some little thing where I

2144
02:12:28.640 --> 02:12:31.479
had to go do a thing and
then go back to this dude and talk

2145
02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:31.880
to him. And that's when I
would be like, all right, you

2146
02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:35.840
complete with the mission. I rode
up to him on my horse to cash

2147
02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:37.159
on the mission. When I was
done, literally the last thing I had

2148
02:12:37.159 --> 02:12:39.319
to do in the game, and
I got off my horse. My horse

2149
02:12:39.399 --> 02:12:43.039
kept going and ran the dude over
and killed him. And I was terrified

2150
02:12:43.079 --> 02:12:45.920
that I was going to auto save
and stuff, and I was able to

2151
02:12:45.960 --> 02:12:50.159
salvage it. S Over yanked the
power cord. I think I had forced

2152
02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:54.720
Christian Coe and Golden Eye just pulling
out circuit boards exactly. Oh, there's

2153
02:12:54.760 --> 02:12:58.359
there's nothing worse than game logic breaking
in that kind of way. Yeah,

2154
02:12:58.479 --> 02:13:01.159
to the point that you can't you
can't complete some objective you wanted to do.

2155
02:13:01.880 --> 02:13:05.239
Yeah. The only tangentially related thing
I can think of is like when

2156
02:13:05.319 --> 02:13:09.680
they turn off servers for stuff,
Like there was an NBA game where to

2157
02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:13.600
get it, Yeah, you had
to play like play online and you just

2158
02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:16.319
can't anymore. Yeah, Sorr,
there was that. It was an NBL

2159
02:13:16.359 --> 02:13:16.960
I was six, I want to
say, like the first one. It

2160
02:13:18.119 --> 02:13:20.279
was like be online the same time
is like ten thousand other people, right,

2161
02:13:20.439 --> 02:13:24.000
yeah, which, you know,
all the achievement sites had to get

2162
02:13:24.039 --> 02:13:26.800
all their communities together and go,
we're gonna get this one last time.

2163
02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:31.840
Before that they shut the servers off. Yeahs ye. But yeah, as

2164
02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:35.359
far as like quitting a game due
to bugs, is that the actual question?

2165
02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:39.880
Yeah? Basically I kind of had
it with Code Veronica. There's something

2166
02:13:39.920 --> 02:13:41.520
you were so disgusted with that you
kind of never wanted to touch it again.

2167
02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:45.560
I had it with Code Veronica.
I had to fight the tyrant and

2168
02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:50.199
the cargo plane or whatever, and
I didn't like bring the right thing from

2169
02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:52.159
the item box, like you need
a flamethrower or rocket launcher or something to

2170
02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:56.640
like knock the tyrant near the exit
of the cargo plane. And I didn't

2171
02:13:56.680 --> 02:13:58.960
have the right thing with me,
and that was my only save file,

2172
02:13:58.359 --> 02:14:01.960
and so I just I couldn't beat
the tyrant and I just had to stop

2173
02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:03.199
playing that game. And that was
like really far into it. Yeah.

2174
02:14:05.079 --> 02:14:09.680
Yeah. I was messing around on
in Halo one on the sound cartographer,

2175
02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:13.600
blowing up wart hogs and stuff.
How you do yep? And I got

2176
02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:18.680
to a point where the game saved
right as a wart hog was falling onto

2177
02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:20.560
my head. Nice, so it
would just like kill me and then reload

2178
02:14:20.640 --> 02:14:24.520
and kill me and reload and all
that. Yeah, but Halo is how

2179
02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:28.760
long did you leave it running.
I took a video. I watched it

2180
02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:31.359
for like a good you know,
ten or fifteen minutes. Did you ever

2181
02:14:31.439 --> 02:14:37.039
get out of it? I don't
think Halo one. I think every Halo

2182
02:14:37.079 --> 02:14:41.199
after that had rollbacks that have Yeah
they have that now. Well, just

2183
02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:43.720
mean, did you find like a
creative way to position yourself so that it

2184
02:14:43.720 --> 02:14:48.479
wouldn't happen? I think I had
to reload the mission? Okay, yeah,

2185
02:14:48.520 --> 02:14:50.560
because Halo has always been bad about
that, Like I had that.

2186
02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:54.399
It's happened in Halo four, like
right, but if that happens four or

2187
02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:58.000
five, like four or five times, it will reload you to the one

2188
02:14:58.039 --> 02:15:01.800
before. Oh yeah, yeah,
okay, happen just like that unlikely checkpoint

2189
02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:03.399
where you're about to get run over
by a ghost or whatever. A pretty

2190
02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:07.439
good one in Reach where I was
skidding on my wart hog and just skid

2191
02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:09.119
it off a cliff, and so
I just kept skittting off a cliffs.

2192
02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:13.399
That's great. I love when that
happens. I mean now that they have

2193
02:15:13.039 --> 02:15:18.840
the ability to kind of roll it
back, yes, like a great I

2194
02:15:18.920 --> 02:15:20.640
mean that first example, I was
just messing around anyway, Like I don't

2195
02:15:20.640 --> 02:15:24.720
remember ever encountering that when I wasn't
you know, just putting grenades underward hogs

2196
02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:28.600
and blowing them up. I know
I've brought it up a zillion times,

2197
02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:31.520
but that USB stick with all those
three sixty saves on it that I lost

2198
02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:35.359
other than Mass Effect three, I
never went back to any of those games

2199
02:15:35.359 --> 02:15:41.439
again, and it was like a
couple of dozen games at least. Gross.

2200
02:15:41.880 --> 02:15:46.199
Uh Walter from la right Son about
the Kanye West video game. Yeah,

2201
02:15:46.840 --> 02:15:50.039
Kanye West is making a video game
to dedicate to his mom. What

2202
02:15:50.119 --> 02:15:54.359
should it look like? Likewise,
if you could pick any artists to make

2203
02:15:54.399 --> 02:15:56.520
a video game, who would it
be and what would it be about?

2204
02:15:58.880 --> 02:16:01.479
Uh? Did he? I mean
did? All I saw was like,

2205
02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:05.039
Kanye West is making a game out
his mom. I think for his mom.

2206
02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:07.319
I think, you know, just
been development for six months or he

2207
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:09.760
said he's been working on it for
about six months, but that's about it.

2208
02:16:09.880 --> 02:16:15.239
Didn't really say he didn't name it
developers. Yeah, yeah, I'd

2209
02:16:15.279 --> 02:16:18.800
say Kanye West. The Kim Kardashian
game was like yep, I mean that

2210
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:22.560
was my first like cynical assumption.
But like, but if it's about his

2211
02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:26.640
mom, Yeah, he's definitely talked
about the loss of his mom. Like

2212
02:16:26.760 --> 02:16:30.039
really fucking him up. Yeah,
so I would like to assume this isn't

2213
02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:31.559
just some kind of crass yeah,
kashion, I think it's techinitely about a

2214
02:16:31.600 --> 02:16:37.120
song that is about only one Yeah. Yeah, I bet Bowie could make

2215
02:16:37.200 --> 02:16:41.280
something cool except for only Crown the
Nomad. He's been out there with that.

2216
02:16:41.520 --> 02:16:43.600
I mean there was you know,
there's a Labyrinth game for the common

2217
02:16:43.680 --> 02:16:46.239
or sixty four. Those pretty sweet. We're talking to his hypothetically. I

2218
02:16:46.280 --> 02:16:48.319
bet Freddy Murker would come up with
something pretty cool. I think someone said

2219
02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:56.879
should make a game based on muses
Knights of Sidonia video huh uh shit,

2220
02:16:58.639 --> 02:17:05.559
Ali Moss, Yeah, Neill never
worked, Yeah, uh fucking I don't

2221
02:17:05.559 --> 02:17:09.799
know. Prince, Yeah, that'd
be pretty cool. Marky, Mark and

2222
02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:13.879
the Funky Bunch, George Clinton,
George Clinton and p funk. What was

2223
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:20.319
the third one music Factory Chriss Cross
Wait in Excess? Wait? Oh I

2224
02:17:20.360 --> 02:17:22.920
thought they were only three? And
yeah, I know this. What was

2225
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:26.680
it called? Make make video?
Make my video? Yeah, if you're

2226
02:17:26.680 --> 02:17:31.600
making your own music video? It
was Marky Mark CNT Music Factory, Chriss

2227
02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:37.000
Cross in Excess, Skins Are Fat
and wait no Prince no, Prince,

2228
02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:39.959
Prince was virtual VCR right, so
it was literally just that's what I was

2229
02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:48.799
locked Prince video, that's what pause
it because it's a virtual VCR, finest

2230
02:17:50.040 --> 02:17:56.000
finest video that'll fit in a postage
stamp. Yeah all right, Johnny I've

2231
02:17:58.920 --> 02:18:03.879
what about her? Oh m?
Yeah, what is a Johnny I video

2232
02:18:03.920 --> 02:18:07.719
game? I don't know, is
that just like inlat just infinnom minor or

2233
02:18:07.760 --> 02:18:15.239
something like something where you make things
hit man go man. I would fuck

2234
02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.920
I would love to get inside Apple's
prototyping laboratory, like, not even to

2235
02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:20.159
see the products they're working on,
just to see all the ship they got

2236
02:18:20.239 --> 02:18:22.840
in there, like all the equipment, like you know, it is like

2237
02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:28.120
literally the finest three D printing Yeah, prototyping equipment that money can buy.

2238
02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:31.920
I just love to see what their
process is for like turning out designs that

2239
02:18:31.959 --> 02:18:41.399
they come up with and stuff.
Oh let's see Galileo. Wow, okay,

2240
02:18:41.040 --> 02:18:46.440
I'll give you that. Oh Man
Sky, there you go. Yeah,

2241
02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:50.600
that game's still coming out. Looking
forward to playing that. Ryan wants

2242
02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:56.040
to know about game journalists a jargon. Listening to last week's bomb cast,

2243
02:18:56.079 --> 02:18:58.440
where Dan used a bunch of crazy
wrestling jargon made me wonder if there is

2244
02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:03.959
jargon you used in the video games
journalism space that might be interesting or interestingly

2245
02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:07.639
dumb. M I think it's probably
a lot of stuff that crosses over into

2246
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:11.360
other journalisms of like you know,
subhead or you know, you know,

2247
02:19:11.440 --> 02:19:15.680
I had actually never heard deck before
I was here. That's what we always

2248
02:19:15.680 --> 02:19:18.120
called it, a game spot.
I don't know what else you'd even call

2249
02:19:18.120 --> 02:19:20.879
it. That would be the description. Was there another name for it on

2250
02:19:20.959 --> 02:19:24.319
an article? Yeah, it's the
little subheading sub yeah, two sentence heads

2251
02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:31.639
and decks thumbnail. I don't know. That's always like I feel like people

2252
02:19:31.639 --> 02:19:35.120
who work in prints refer to it
their magazine as a book that definitely happened

2253
02:19:35.120 --> 02:19:37.600
a game afore. Yeah, it's
right up there with people who make movies

2254
02:19:37.639 --> 02:19:41.760
calling them shows. H CMS is
the content management system, it's what the

2255
02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:45.959
Yeah, A lot of that stuff
is basically just general web stuff at this

2256
02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:48.440
point, it's been so democratized through
like WordPress and stuff like that. Yeah,

2257
02:19:50.200 --> 02:19:52.840
and then game wise, like it's
just the same stuff everybody else says,

2258
02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.799
I guess, yeah, I just
think of anything else. Really.

2259
02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:58.079
It's like wrestling has that because that's
a Carney thing. Like journalism is just

2260
02:19:58.760 --> 02:20:01.840
a normal thing. No, it's
a Carney thing too, and it's game

2261
02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:07.159
journalism. I just can't train wreck. I just can't think of lingo.

2262
02:20:07.799 --> 02:20:11.600
Yeah, there's there's not much.
Yeah, they comes to mind, but

2263
02:20:11.680 --> 02:20:16.959
that's okay. I'm okay with that. Uht's just adopt all of wrestlers lingo

2264
02:20:18.159 --> 02:20:24.280
who not really getting color and gaming. That's more business e But vod Man

2265
02:20:24.399 --> 02:20:33.319
this review went Broadway sixty minute.
Yeah. I actually don't anytime anyone says

2266
02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:37.319
the word, I don't trust him. Same here. So video on demand

2267
02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:41.879
as opposed to a live stream,
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a video,

2268
02:20:41.440 --> 02:20:45.600
or it's a live thing or an
archive. I call it an archive.

2269
02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:48.120
Yeah, if it was a live
thing that you are putting up after

2270
02:20:48.200 --> 02:20:52.000
the fact, it's an archive of
a live stream. Yeah, it's a

2271
02:20:52.079 --> 02:20:54.559
video, it's a video. Yeah, we don't say that video. Does

2272
02:20:54.559 --> 02:20:58.600
anybody say vidio? But not not
until right now. That's when we started

2273
02:20:58.639 --> 02:21:00.840
that. Yeah, we're going a
lot of audio. Is I coined v

2274
02:21:00.840 --> 02:21:07.920
audio? Yeah, Giant Bomb a
vlog about video games Alex Ritson and says

2275
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:11.520
I solved the whole Saints Row thing
for you. Okay, what was our

2276
02:21:11.639 --> 02:21:15.440
what was and reading? I like
what to do with the series, okay,

2277
02:21:15.799 --> 02:21:18.000
and reading his email. Reading his
email, I'm inclined to agree.

2278
02:21:20.520 --> 02:21:24.319
Traveling through time and space, the
Saints crash land on a medieval era planet

2279
02:21:24.879 --> 02:21:28.000
que a Saints Row open world fantasy
RPG. It would be nice to have

2280
02:21:28.200 --> 02:21:33.360
something to Skyrim. What the Saints
Row games are. It's gta. Fantasy

2281
02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:35.879
games are so serious, Jesus Christ. I'll take a small cut of the

2282
02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:41.000
profits. You're welcome. Everyone love
from Alex. I'd totally play that.

2283
02:21:41.040 --> 02:21:43.079
I would be into that. Yeah, yeah, I think you could.

2284
02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:46.040
You know, you could. You
could with with where they left off,

2285
02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:48.440
there's a lot of different stuff like
that you could do, and you do

2286
02:21:48.559 --> 02:21:50.120
some dumb thing where it's like,
oh, traveling through time took away all

2287
02:21:50.159 --> 02:21:52.520
your powers, so you actually have
to be like running around on foot.

2288
02:21:54.159 --> 02:21:58.440
I just can't see that with like
flying around and doing the flying around stuff

2289
02:21:58.440 --> 02:22:00.760
only happened when they were inside a
compute. That's right, that was a

2290
02:22:00.799 --> 02:22:05.079
simulation that never happened in the room. Hell yeah, but you can get

2291
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:07.440
magic and work your way back up
there. Yeah, yeah, you could

2292
02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:09.360
be Like I don't want that anymore
though. That's the thing. I don't

2293
02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:11.079
want to keep flying in those games, like I want those to be a

2294
02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:15.079
little more grounded and also funny.
I don't know what I want. Well,

2295
02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:16.799
yeah, that's the kind of thing
where kind kind of with you.

2296
02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:20.319
But the thought of like going back
to an open world game like that and

2297
02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:26.120
then suddenly having to drive everywhere again
and it doesn't sound that exciting. Travling

2298
02:22:26.159 --> 02:22:28.639
a horse? Yeah, I like. I just the Saints. The Saints

2299
02:22:28.680 --> 02:22:39.280
need some constraints, like they can't
remain superpowers. There you go? Is

2300
02:22:39.280 --> 02:22:43.159
there your title? I like how
Darksiders did that because like you don't have

2301
02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:46.120
to talk about like stealing cars and
having to drive around. It's like,

2302
02:22:46.200 --> 02:22:48.600
no, just have a flaming horse
come out of the ground anytime. You

2303
02:22:48.680 --> 02:22:50.040
went. Okay, I like that. I'm all right with that. I

2304
02:22:50.120 --> 02:22:52.840
just I don't wanted to get into
the Superman problem if they keep getting more

2305
02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:56.440
and more powerful, so it gets
harder to find things for them to face

2306
02:22:56.520 --> 02:23:01.440
off against. Uh, but we
we'll see. Keep the ideas coming.

2307
02:23:03.200 --> 02:23:09.920
Zach from Vancouver wants some NWA and
knowledge bombs. Hello from Canada. I

2308
02:23:09.959 --> 02:23:13.159
have a question for Jeff. I
checked out these straight out of compent trailer

2309
02:23:13.239 --> 02:23:15.719
that was mentioned last week. And
thought it looked great. Admittedly, though,

2310
02:23:15.760 --> 02:23:18.799
I don't know too much about the
history of NWA, so some of

2311
02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:22.920
what was shown went over my head. And you give the folks at home

2312
02:23:22.000 --> 02:23:26.079
a brief NWA history lesson. That's
kind of why why I want to watch

2313
02:23:26.159 --> 02:23:28.239
the movie. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what the movie is there

2314
02:23:28.280 --> 02:23:31.440
for. It is to give you
that industry lesson. I mean, you

2315
02:23:31.520 --> 02:23:35.479
know, presumably you know, like
Drey was doing music before that. The

2316
02:23:35.559 --> 02:23:39.799
story was that Easy had some money
from some things he may have been into

2317
02:23:39.639 --> 02:23:43.559
and use that to start a record
label. Ice Cube wrote the rhymes that

2318
02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:46.799
he said, and the rest is
history. Oh I was. I was

2319
02:23:46.879 --> 02:23:50.680
listening to bow Down over the weekend. I old ice Cube is so good.

2320
02:23:52.239 --> 02:23:54.399
Yes, that's not even that's I
feel like that's a good, solid,

2321
02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:58.000
mid period ice Cube. Yeah,
you know, I mean like in

2322
02:23:58.040 --> 02:24:03.159
the nineties. Sure, not like
whatever family films he's been starring in recently.

2323
02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:05.520
Why he's still putting that records?
Like, I got nothing against modern

2324
02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:07.079
day ice Cube. I just mean
like back then that stuff was yep,

2325
02:24:07.520 --> 02:24:13.799
vital stuff was choice. Uh what's
that movie out summer? I think so

2326
02:24:15.000 --> 02:24:20.479
okay? Interesting? Oh, I
want to read this guy's whole name,

2327
02:24:20.680 --> 02:24:26.840
because there's now we'll get to that. It's from Barrett, he asks,

2328
02:24:26.920 --> 02:24:31.520
will we ever see a new Fantasy
Star rpg? I was listening to the

2329
02:24:31.559 --> 02:24:35.799
BombCast last week when Brad had mentioned
Fantasy Star four being more expensive because of

2330
02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:39.600
rom size, and it got me
to thinking about what, in my opinion,

2331
02:24:39.719 --> 02:24:43.000
is the best RPG ever. From
the wicked battle system, to the

2332
02:24:43.040 --> 02:24:46.799
monster and character designs, the super
awesome techno styled tank battle sequences, and

2333
02:24:46.920 --> 02:24:50.200
perhaps the most unexpected death of a
main character in any game I have ever

2334
02:24:50.280 --> 02:24:54.760
played. I was still waiting to
play It's thanks a lot. I could

2335
02:24:54.840 --> 02:24:56.440
knocked up. I could not get
enough. Did you actually play that game?

2336
02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:00.840
Which one? Four? I did
not? Actually I played two.

2337
02:25:01.120 --> 02:25:05.239
Yes, there's shipping that one too, Yeah, that's for sure. I

2338
02:25:05.319 --> 02:25:07.639
remember being so excited when Fantasy Star
Online was announced, However, it was

2339
02:25:07.719 --> 02:25:09.639
just not the same. Don't get
me wrong, I thought it was a

2340
02:25:09.680 --> 02:25:13.719
great game as well, but I
always held out hope that one day we

2341
02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:16.840
would see a Fantasy Star five.
Do you guys think this could ever happen?

2342
02:25:18.040 --> 02:25:20.360
Or our single player Fantasy str RPGs
a thing of a bygone age?

2343
02:25:22.159 --> 02:25:24.159
For that matter is the style of
RPG perhaps also a thing of the past.

2344
02:25:24.280 --> 02:25:28.000
I mean, Sega is a thing
of the past almost. It's lastly,

2345
02:25:28.079 --> 02:25:31.239
you gotta let me fish the email. Lastly does not does any of

2346
02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:35.000
the Bomb crew share my reverence for
the Fantasy Star RPGs of the Genesis Slash

2347
02:25:35.040 --> 02:25:39.440
Master System days. Yes, you're
right, can go ahead, I'll Sega.

2348
02:25:39.959 --> 02:25:43.079
I mean, Sega is not in
a position to think that game.

2349
02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:46.440
Yes, that's for sure, sadly, especially at the scale that we're looking

2350
02:25:46.479 --> 02:25:48.239
for. Like yeah, I mean
the idea. I mean, sure,

2351
02:25:48.479 --> 02:25:52.440
who knows what happens to Sega long
term and what happened. But you know,

2352
02:25:52.559 --> 02:25:54.040
like even if they sold the IPS, it's you know, they tri

2353
02:25:54.159 --> 02:25:56.680
Ace just got picked up by some
mobile developer, like you know, the

2354
02:25:58.200 --> 02:26:03.239
developers responsible for a lot of role
playing games out of Japan, Like they're

2355
02:26:03.280 --> 02:26:09.040
not flourishing in every single case.
So it's it's hard to it's hard to

2356
02:26:09.159 --> 02:26:15.440
envision a world where there's another single
player like story driven Fantasy Star game that

2357
02:26:15.479 --> 02:26:18.280
doesn't draw from the online stuff the
way like Fantasy Star Nova or a lot

2358
02:26:18.360 --> 02:26:24.079
of the other portable Fancy Stars zero
or whatever those ways were. They were

2359
02:26:24.079 --> 02:26:28.799
still kind of online e The fantasy
Star name just got like passed around between

2360
02:26:28.040 --> 02:26:31.319
like from game to games so much
that I'm not even sure what it means

2361
02:26:31.399 --> 02:26:35.040
anymore. Like like there was,
you know the online stuff. There was

2362
02:26:35.120 --> 02:26:39.040
the what was the one that was
the card Battling game that was fantasy Star

2363
02:26:39.079 --> 02:26:43.319
Online episode three? Yes CRD,
Yes that spelled card. It does.

2364
02:26:43.799 --> 02:26:48.200
So it turns out card Battling Game
did it stand for anything? Yeah,

2365
02:26:50.280 --> 02:26:52.479
Like I don't even know what Nova
is when you mentioned that. I want

2366
02:26:52.520 --> 02:26:56.120
to say it's a single player adventure, but it is, like I mean,

2367
02:26:56.159 --> 02:26:58.559
they've made a lot of other Fantasy
Star games, Like there was one

2368
02:26:58.559 --> 02:27:01.239
of the three sixties of the Fancy
Universe, yes, where they had full

2369
02:27:01.319 --> 02:27:05.200
on campaigns, but they were played
like fantasy Star Online. Like they've all

2370
02:27:05.239 --> 02:27:09.520
but kind of they didn't go back
to like the turn based kind of standard

2371
02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:11.159
style. They've all kind of been
made in the image of online since that

2372
02:27:11.239 --> 02:27:16.000
came out. Yeah, so like
the era of the master system in Genesis

2373
02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:18.479
Fantasy Stars is probably over, but
I didn't I didn't play one, and

2374
02:27:18.559 --> 02:27:20.959
it's day I didn't know. I
don't have any real reverence for it,

2375
02:27:22.200 --> 02:27:24.680
and I had by the time four
came out, I'd kind of moved on

2376
02:27:24.479 --> 02:27:28.760
a lot of that stuff, But
two and three, I'm like, I

2377
02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:31.360
like three, really, yeah,
I remember people really fucking I've never played

2378
02:27:31.399 --> 02:27:35.159
three, but man, yeah,
like the response to three was not good.

2379
02:27:35.319 --> 02:27:37.840
Yeah, at the time. I
mean, I'm not gonna sit here

2380
02:27:37.879 --> 02:27:39.920
and say it's my favorite game of
all time or anything weird like that,

2381
02:27:39.040 --> 02:27:43.879
but I remember enjoying it just fine. The ideas sounded fucking amazing at the

2382
02:27:43.920 --> 02:27:45.719
time, like the ads they were
running. It was just like, this

2383
02:27:45.799 --> 02:27:48.680
game spans generations and you like choose
who you marry and then you have kids,

2384
02:27:48.719 --> 02:27:50.879
and it's one of the things where
if you play it multiple times you

2385
02:27:50.920 --> 02:27:52.120
see it for what it really is. But as someone who played at once

2386
02:27:52.239 --> 02:27:56.760
or maybe maybe twice, that's cool. Yeah, that's neat. It felt

2387
02:27:56.799 --> 02:28:01.920
like the decisions mattered. That's cool. You're kind of making me want to

2388
02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:05.079
go look at it. Uh,
Fancy Star two is pretty cool. Yeah,

2389
02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:09.520
I played that one a lot.
Music is fucking awesome, great fucking

2390
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:16.680
music. I'm my girl with purple
hair, she's got claws. Yeah.

2391
02:28:18.120 --> 02:28:20.840
Fancy Star, Yeah, Fancy Star. That's yeah. That's kind of all

2392
02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:22.959
there is to say. About that. I guess it's kind of a bummer.

2393
02:28:24.799 --> 02:28:31.879
Uh, let's see. Speaking of
old games, I'll leave from Brooklyn

2394
02:28:31.959 --> 02:28:37.280
writes in about Sakend and Sets You
Three. What she says is amazing and

2395
02:28:37.360 --> 02:28:41.280
that I should try it. Hey
guys, I'm alive. From Brooklyn.

2396
02:28:41.360 --> 02:28:43.479
I'm a big fan. I've been
listening for a few years now. I

2397
02:28:43.520 --> 02:28:46.799
felt like I had to chime in
after hearing one of your conversations a podcast

2398
02:28:46.799 --> 02:28:50.760
a few podcasts ago, Brad talked
about wanting to try Sakend and Sets You

2399
02:28:50.920 --> 02:28:52.479
Three back in the day but never
getting around too. And it was more

2400
02:28:52.559 --> 02:28:58.719
than it never came out here we're
in English. I just wanted to write

2401
02:28:58.719 --> 02:29:01.920
in saying that you totally should.
Game is amazing and the translation is really

2402
02:29:01.000 --> 02:29:05.000
great. It's beautiful, plays amazingly
and has a few different stories to follow.

2403
02:29:05.120 --> 02:29:07.920
Since you can pick your main character
and their party right at the start.

2404
02:29:07.959 --> 02:29:11.559
I remember thinking that was like super
cool feature of that game, you

2405
02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:15.000
know, Yeah, was that like
you picked your main character and the story

2406
02:29:15.040 --> 02:29:18.200
actually flowed from who you picked,
you know, like everybody had a different

2407
02:29:18.239 --> 02:29:20.639
setting or whatever. You should totally
emulate it and give it a go.

2408
02:29:20.799 --> 02:29:24.840
It quickly became one of my favorite
SINSS games when I stumbled upon it.

2409
02:29:24.399 --> 02:29:26.680
I believe it also has some sort
of co op and I'm not sure how

2410
02:29:26.719 --> 02:29:30.319
it works. It'd be a great
game to do a video on, et

2411
02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:33.600
cetera, et cetera. Uh yeah, I thought about that many times.

2412
02:29:35.079 --> 02:29:37.319
So I'm trying to think, is
this Secret of Mana? Yes, a

2413
02:29:37.399 --> 02:29:39.760
Secret of Manna was Saken Dan Setsu
two, right, okay, Saken Dan

2414
02:29:39.799 --> 02:29:48.360
Setsu one was Final Fantasy Quests,
not Missing Quest. No, because they're

2415
02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:52.000
all action games. They're all oh, they're basically sell the games overhead their

2416
02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:54.520
overhead action or the first game of
game Boy game, Yes, it was

2417
02:29:54.559 --> 02:29:56.120
definitely that was then that would have
been like Final Fantasy Adventure. I think

2418
02:29:56.120 --> 02:29:58.879
it was. What was the first
Final Fantasy on game Boy? Was it

2419
02:29:58.920 --> 02:30:01.639
was? Okay, that's not that
because that was It might have been a

2420
02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:05.159
legend it was. I think it
was rebranded as a Final Fantasy game.

2421
02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:09.399
Yeah, anyway, Uh, The
Secret Amanda was like a huge Can you

2422
02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:11.000
play that one? Three player?
Yes? Yeah, So it was a

2423
02:30:11.040 --> 02:30:13.559
single player game and the other two
characters ran around as Ai, but you

2424
02:30:13.600 --> 02:30:16.239
could just straight up plug in another
control or and take over one of them,

2425
02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:22.479
or I guess if you had whatever
the multiplayer Turbo Tap Turbo taps four

2426
02:30:22.559 --> 02:30:28.479
score. I don't know. There
was an adapter right on the Super News

2427
02:30:28.600 --> 02:30:31.319
Yeah, yeah for four players.
Yeah, there was a way to play

2428
02:30:31.319 --> 02:30:35.559
all three characters. And I guess
it sounds like the next one has that.

2429
02:30:35.600 --> 02:30:37.479
But yeah, like Secret Manna was
huge among like everybody I knew that

2430
02:30:37.559 --> 02:30:41.040
was into Super Nintendo games at the
time. Yeah, I thought Secret Amanda

2431
02:30:41.120 --> 02:30:45.600
was fantastic. So it always blew
my mind that the one after that never

2432
02:30:45.680 --> 02:30:48.399
came out here. It might have
been a timing thing. Maybe I think

2433
02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:52.360
it was ROM size cost of all
that. Yeah, maybe I think it

2434
02:30:52.479 --> 02:30:56.280
was pretty late period. Super Nintendo
Square has been pretty good about fucking up

2435
02:30:56.319 --> 02:31:01.959
shit like that. Or I don't
guess so, but yeah, you know

2436
02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:05.920
it's it's it's a weird issue of
like cramming a fan translation into this game

2437
02:31:05.000 --> 02:31:09.760
to play it. But it's something
the retron will do. Yeah, you

2438
02:31:09.840 --> 02:31:11.799
plug the cartridge in, it'll take
an IPS patch without even having to like

2439
02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:15.559
integrate it into the ROM. Yeah, that's that's cool. I don't know

2440
02:31:15.719 --> 02:31:20.360
that that makes me want to give
that thing a look somehow, right,

2441
02:31:20.399 --> 02:31:22.639
the Wrongs of the Past. Yeah, I think I have a copy of

2442
02:31:22.680 --> 02:31:26.440
that, The Ms of the Past. Yep, there you go. Yep,

2443
02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:28.799
there's the super verbose title of this
feature right there, right, the

2444
02:31:28.879 --> 02:31:33.079
ROMs of the Past. I've been
looking for a good name for an old

2445
02:31:33.159 --> 02:31:41.360
game show for some time, and
that's the worst one. So by default,

2446
02:31:41.639 --> 02:31:46.760
there you go. Uh, let's
see, you've got like two more

2447
02:31:46.879 --> 02:31:50.959
emails. Two more Two more emails
are both really long. How are we

2448
02:31:52.040 --> 02:31:56.600
doing on time we have? Since
we're talking about old games. I guess

2449
02:31:56.639 --> 02:32:03.239
you're right. Uh, Andre wrote
in after the Majorer's Mask Quick Look about

2450
02:32:03.719 --> 02:32:09.440
saves on game cartridges, just like
this is this is pretty a lot of

2451
02:32:09.479 --> 02:32:11.399
technical infos. That's something that came
up. Yes, okay, yeah,

2452
02:32:11.440 --> 02:32:13.959
so we we did the Majorer's Mask
Quick Look, and I was talking about

2453
02:32:13.959 --> 02:32:18.639
how I had effectively put in Majora's
mask once and played it, which got

2454
02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:22.040
me to wondering if my save was
still there the right number of times.

2455
02:32:22.200 --> 02:32:24.959
Yeah, that's what I found to
be the case at the time. But

2456
02:32:26.600 --> 02:32:28.280
it got me thinking, like,
you know, a lot of cartridge games

2457
02:32:28.360 --> 02:32:31.360
from the era and especially before that, like the Game of the Saves just

2458
02:32:31.440 --> 02:32:37.159
start disappearing after time, Yeah,
when all the batteries die. So it

2459
02:32:37.200 --> 02:32:41.680
made me wonder if in sixty four
games had used that kind of battery backup

2460
02:32:41.840 --> 02:32:43.120
or you know what the deal was, right, the e proms of the

2461
02:32:43.200 --> 02:32:48.079
past. Yeah, Andre wrote in
about that very thing. Games of the

2462
02:32:48.120 --> 02:32:52.680
eighties and nineties used batteries to keep
saves on. In sixty four, specifically,

2463
02:32:52.719 --> 02:32:54.920
there are twelve games that use a
battery, which seems crazy to me

2464
02:32:54.920 --> 02:32:58.360
because you would think they would have
one standard and stick to it. That's

2465
02:32:58.399 --> 02:33:00.680
probably one of the things where it's
just to cast the goods thing where it

2466
02:33:00.719 --> 02:33:03.360
might be cheaper to use batteries,
or early on in the System five span

2467
02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:07.000
they use batteries and then switch.
Yeah, that might be the case.

2468
02:33:07.079 --> 02:33:09.680
Here. The battery used is your
standard CR twenty thirty two, which I

2469
02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:13.239
think is just basically a watch battery. Yeah, which by the way means

2470
02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:18.680
it's it's a manganese oxide based bought
die dioxide dioxide based. Jesus, easy

2471
02:33:18.719 --> 02:33:22.840
for you to say. There's also
a lot of parentheticals here. I'm not

2472
02:33:22.879 --> 02:33:26.840
gonna go into a lot of the
detail here. The bad news is that,

2473
02:33:26.920 --> 02:33:28.200
like any battery will die. The
good news is that it has a

2474
02:33:28.280 --> 02:33:31.639
very slow discharge rate and will usually
last seven to ten years, with some

2475
02:33:31.840 --> 02:33:37.000
lasting up to twenty. So that
drives with like, you know, as

2476
02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:39.120
time passed, like you knew a
bunch of people with any S games,

2477
02:33:39.120 --> 02:33:41.000
they're like, oh, those saves
are all gone, but then yours might

2478
02:33:41.079 --> 02:33:43.719
still be around for a while.
Yeah, like my s Nest carts still

2479
02:33:43.479 --> 02:33:46.639
like Super Mario World still has my
save on. Yeah, it was a

2480
02:33:46.719 --> 02:33:48.479
very imprecise thing. I was meaning
to like dump all the saves from my

2481
02:33:48.680 --> 02:33:52.959
like squared RPGs from that era,
but I haven't gotten around to it,

2482
02:33:52.000 --> 02:33:56.639
and they're probably all gone now.
There are some cases of old Innys games

2483
02:33:56.680 --> 02:34:00.639
still holding their saves thirty years later. The other good news four in sixty

2484
02:34:00.680 --> 02:34:05.440
four cartridge specifically is that it's fairly
easy to replace the battery. Some soldering

2485
02:34:05.520 --> 02:34:07.600
is involved, but nothing a novice
can't do. It's basically a dab sadder,

2486
02:34:09.399 --> 02:34:11.719
So if you want to keep the
ability to save on those games,

2487
02:34:11.799 --> 02:34:15.520
you'll need to swap the battery every
ten years or so. The twelve games

2488
02:34:15.559 --> 02:34:18.360
that use a battery on in sixty
four are because I know you were dying,

2489
02:34:18.440 --> 02:34:22.000
Snow, I was that I was
opening my laptop over find that out.

2490
02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:24.959
Well, you're actually so fucking excited
that's in the mail. You're actually

2491
02:34:24.079 --> 02:34:28.559
dying to know. Most people are
like, I'm curious. Ten eighties Snowboarding

2492
02:34:28.120 --> 02:34:33.399
F zero X, Harvest Moon sixty
four, Legend of Zelda, Akerino of

2493
02:34:33.479 --> 02:34:37.879
Time, Mario Golf, Major League
Baseball featuring Ken Griffey Junior, New Tetris

2494
02:34:39.440 --> 02:34:45.159
Over Battle sixty four, Resident Evil
two Super Smash Brothers. That's kind of

2495
02:34:45.200 --> 02:34:48.959
a big one with unlocks and stuff, right, the first one didn't have

2496
02:34:48.040 --> 02:34:54.879
a ton Oh yeah, uh WCW
nWo Revenge WrestleMania two thousand. Are either

2497
02:34:54.920 --> 02:34:58.360
of those games they were looking to
cut corners? Are either of those?

2498
02:35:00.040 --> 02:35:03.360
The Rumble Game? Or no?
Is it that's the one? Are they're

2499
02:35:03.440 --> 02:35:07.440
using a card for that? Right? Yep? But I mean it stores

2500
02:35:07.479 --> 02:35:11.760
your It doesn't store ship that you
you care about, unless you care about

2501
02:35:11.760 --> 02:35:15.120
your created wrestlers. They don't need
to save for that thing, yea.

2502
02:35:15.959 --> 02:35:20.120
While Acarina of Time uses a battery, Majora's Mask does not. That uses

2503
02:35:20.159 --> 02:35:22.159
flash, so you're saved. Games
from in sixty four days should still be

2504
02:35:22.239 --> 02:35:26.959
there unless they were zapped by static
or something. While sitting in the closet

2505
02:35:26.000 --> 02:35:30.799
for a decade and a half.
Flash eprom is not forever either. It

2506
02:35:30.879 --> 02:35:35.639
has about ten thousand cycles, with
modern good quality ones getting up to one

2507
02:35:35.680 --> 02:35:39.879
hundred thousand cycles. But it's much
longer lasting than the battery save system at

2508
02:35:39.959 --> 02:35:43.000
ten thousand cycles. If you play
every day and save once at the end

2509
02:35:43.040 --> 02:35:46.360
of your play session, it'll last
you about thirty years. But since that

2510
02:35:46.440 --> 02:35:48.680
Stan Reichert level of obsession and most
of us only play games a few times,

2511
02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:52.239
utilizing the save feature twenty to thirty
times per play through, we can

2512
02:35:52.319 --> 02:35:56.959
say that those saves will outlast all
of us. That's, of course,

2513
02:35:56.000 --> 02:36:01.879
if external factors like static or bit
rot component degradation doesn't kick in at some

2514
02:36:01.959 --> 02:36:07.079
point. Yeah so yeah, A
little uh, a little dump unsaved games

2515
02:36:07.159 --> 02:36:11.719
courtesy of Andrey kind of makes me
want to go fish out that Majora's card

2516
02:36:11.760 --> 02:36:13.959
and see where the hell I was. Yeah. I could bring in my

2517
02:36:15.040 --> 02:36:16.680
retro with all the weird adapters and
stuff. If you want to dump you

2518
02:36:16.799 --> 02:36:24.040
Majora's save I think I'm good.
Uh. One final email. It's very

2519
02:36:24.120 --> 02:36:28.799
lengthy. It's about the red dead
endings you. I'm gonna go into it.

2520
02:36:30.239 --> 02:36:33.959
Jeff I don't care. I know
you've been saving yourself. I'm not

2521
02:36:33.040 --> 02:36:35.719
gonna spoil anything, are you.
Well? All yeah, like all the

2522
02:36:35.840 --> 02:36:41.159
endings and the game came out five
years the game is five years old,

2523
02:36:41.239 --> 02:36:48.159
dude, leave the room. Hello, bomb cast posse is Yeah, this

2524
02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:56.040
is from matt Royal Tunbridge, Wells, England's quite a town name. Yeah.

2525
02:36:56.520 --> 02:37:01.159
Indeed, it was great hearing dand
reminiscing over Reddead Redemption on the last

2526
02:37:01.200 --> 02:37:05.120
show. For me, it is
definitely the game of the generation. So

2527
02:37:05.360 --> 02:37:07.719
for once I agree with Dan.
Sorry day all right, he did say

2528
02:37:07.760 --> 02:37:11.959
sorry. What prompted me to write
in was Brad's comments that the final hour

2529
02:37:13.040 --> 02:37:15.920
of the game are a masterpiece and
storytelling. I totally agree, but my

2530
02:37:16.040 --> 02:37:20.280
question is which final hour? The
way I see it, the game actually

2531
02:37:20.360 --> 02:37:24.280
has three endings, and herein lies
my only criticism of the game. My

2532
02:37:24.399 --> 02:37:26.920
question to Brad and Dan is which
ending or are you talking about? Here

2533
02:37:26.959 --> 02:37:30.680
are my thoughts, and I haven't
finished the game since it came out,

2534
02:37:30.760 --> 02:37:33.920
so this is a little bit fuzzy
for me. But ending one Mountain shootout,

2535
02:37:35.440 --> 02:37:37.959
this for me, was when the
game should have ended. I strongly

2536
02:37:37.000 --> 02:37:41.879
disagree for the story element of the
games who have been perfect. I loved

2537
02:37:41.920 --> 02:37:45.200
every second of the main story and
felt John Marston had become a part of

2538
02:37:45.280 --> 02:37:50.719
me. Everything had perfectly, Everything
had perfectly built up to the final mission

2539
02:37:50.719 --> 02:37:52.840
when you track down Dutch and have
that final showdown and then it's over.

2540
02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:56.760
The relief that flooded over me almost
felt real. I genuinely had to stop

2541
02:37:56.799 --> 02:38:00.879
for five minutes staring out over the
mountains just take it all in. It

2542
02:38:00.959 --> 02:38:03.840
was finally over. I made my
way slowly down to my horse, had

2543
02:38:03.920 --> 02:38:07.040
my final cut scene with the Law, and then climbed on my horse to

2544
02:38:07.079 --> 02:38:11.840
head back to my family. And
then it started this wonderful, haunting Wanderer's

2545
02:38:11.879 --> 02:38:15.200
Ballad. And as you make your
way down the mountain and the snow starts

2546
02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:18.079
to thaw and the sun breaks through
the trees, warming your cold and tired

2547
02:38:18.120 --> 02:38:22.280
body, so the song rises and
warms your heart. It's very poetic,

2548
02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:28.079
ending two family life. Whilst I
was disappointed that the game didn't end there,

2549
02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:31.159
I did enjoy the next section looking
after the farm and your family and

2550
02:38:31.239 --> 02:38:33.879
trying to sort out your affairs.
I could see the shootout with the Law

2551
02:38:35.040 --> 02:38:37.639
from a mile off, but didn't
expect the final outcome. When the game

2552
02:38:37.760 --> 02:38:41.719
ended with my wife and son looking
out over the graveyard, I was happy

2553
02:38:41.799 --> 02:38:46.680
they had surprised me and that was
brilliant. It's such a shame that Rockstar

2554
02:38:46.799 --> 02:38:48.360
did not have the balls to end
the game here, like so many of

2555
02:38:48.399 --> 02:38:52.040
the great Cohen Brothers films, where
the story hasn't reached a clichde ending and

2556
02:38:52.120 --> 02:38:54.520
some of the bad guys have gotten
away with it and some of the good

2557
02:38:54.559 --> 02:39:01.159
guys have been shafted. Ending three
Hollywood ending. This was my only disappointment

2558
02:39:01.200 --> 02:39:03.879
with this otherwise perfect game. They
carried the game on with an epilogue after

2559
02:39:03.920 --> 02:39:07.360
the credits where all the loose ends
were tied up, and that spoiled the

2560
02:39:07.399 --> 02:39:11.120
feelings I left the game with.
Time has lessened to this, and I

2561
02:39:11.200 --> 02:39:16.159
remember the game fondly, but this
still niggles so thoughts. Having had the

2562
02:39:16.520 --> 02:39:22.639
that ending described to me before,
that sounded amazing, like that final part

2563
02:39:22.760 --> 02:39:24.399
that he is the last part.
Yeah, so do you know what happens?

2564
02:39:24.639 --> 02:39:28.399
How play is his son and go
full murder the people that kill So

2565
02:39:28.920 --> 02:39:33.040
it's actually way more subtle than that, because so, yeah, you you

2566
02:39:33.120 --> 02:39:35.959
track down your old your old boss
crime boss like partner Guy who screwed you

2567
02:39:37.040 --> 02:39:39.159
over and sold you out. Kill
him at the behest of the law because

2568
02:39:39.159 --> 02:39:43.399
you're an outlaw and they're going to
lock you up and take away take you

2569
02:39:43.399 --> 02:39:45.680
away from your family if you don't
do what they say. Yeah, so

2570
02:39:45.760 --> 02:39:48.280
you kill him. You basically do
the law's dirty work. And then you

2571
02:39:48.399 --> 02:39:50.760
go back to the farm and try
to settle down with your wife and son,

2572
02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:54.680
and you actually do several missions of
like teaching your son to hunt and

2573
02:39:54.840 --> 02:39:58.840
like other farm shit, and then
like the day comes and it's like there's

2574
02:39:58.840 --> 02:40:03.520
a heavy cloud hanging over everything,
and the law comes for you and it's

2575
02:40:03.559 --> 02:40:05.319
basically you and a dozen law men
facing off in front of the barn and

2576
02:40:05.319 --> 02:40:07.559
they just shoot you down. You
come out of the barn and you just

2577
02:40:07.600 --> 02:40:09.879
see them all there with their guns
drawn, and it's like, oh shit.

2578
02:40:09.920 --> 02:40:13.200
It goes into the SlowMo thing,
right, and you're trying to like

2579
02:40:13.399 --> 02:40:15.879
tag as many of them as you
can, and it gives you the opportunity

2580
02:40:15.920 --> 02:40:18.360
in the slow mode to like pop
off a bunch of headshots, but there's

2581
02:40:18.360 --> 02:40:20.200
just no way to do it.
Yeah, you realize during the actual SlowMo

2582
02:40:20.319 --> 02:40:22.680
thing that like this is not gonna
end up, right, Like I don't

2583
02:40:22.719 --> 02:40:24.840
have this many bullets. I don't
have this much time on my slow moo.

2584
02:40:26.000 --> 02:40:30.040
Like you spent the entire game like
slow motion headshotting thousands of people,

2585
02:40:30.239 --> 02:40:33.280
but you can't shoot your way out
of this, and they take you down

2586
02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:35.719
and you realize, you know,
it's it's a noble sacrifice for the sake

2587
02:40:35.719 --> 02:40:39.159
of your family and everything. Yeah. The reason the third, the final

2588
02:40:39.239 --> 02:40:41.959
thing is so subtle is because they
jump forward in time. They put you

2589
02:40:43.040 --> 02:40:45.120
in the roll of your kid,
grown up and like ready to go out

2590
02:40:45.239 --> 02:40:48.520
on the prairie or whatever. But
it is kind of don't necessarily know that

2591
02:40:48.719 --> 02:40:52.520
when it starts. Ostensibly it's just
now you can go do the other side

2592
02:40:52.559 --> 02:40:54.200
stuff you missed. Here's a character
to keep playing as. Because the main

2593
02:40:54.319 --> 02:41:00.239
characters dead right, the mission that
you go on to find the guy who

2594
02:41:00.399 --> 02:41:03.639
the lawman who ran this whole thing
and take him down just shows up as

2595
02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:05.680
every other side quest on the map, like what was it a question mark

2596
02:41:05.799 --> 02:41:07.879
or something? Or maybe it might
have been a letter. Actually no,

2597
02:41:07.959 --> 02:41:09.520
I think it was a question mark. It might have been a letter.

2598
02:41:09.559 --> 02:41:13.479
But the point is, like they
they call no attention to this final epilogue

2599
02:41:13.520 --> 02:41:18.040
mission. It's after the credits.
It's after it's like after is it after

2600
02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:20.159
the credits? I can't remember.
Actually, you made it sound like it

2601
02:41:20.200 --> 02:41:24.799
was the credits roll when you when
Marston John Marston. I think that might

2602
02:41:24.879 --> 02:41:28.760
be the case. But anyway,
you hunt this guy down and he's basically

2603
02:41:28.840 --> 02:41:31.719
retired and trying to live the good
life. He's fishing or something like the

2604
02:41:31.840 --> 02:41:33.360
river. You find him like fishing
basically, and you just walk up to

2605
02:41:33.479 --> 02:41:37.879
him and fucking like it's just you
know, I dynamited him into the river

2606
02:41:37.959 --> 02:41:41.559
and watched his corpse float away.
Just I was all in movie mode.

2607
02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:43.840
I just shot him down. I
think I might have shot him down and

2608
02:41:43.920 --> 02:41:46.840
then actually laid dynamite and stuff to
blow him into the river. But at

2609
02:41:46.879 --> 02:41:48.319
this point, like you fully accepted
that the game's over, there's no more

2610
02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:52.040
story to occur, right, It's
almost like they're dumping you back into the

2611
02:41:52.040 --> 02:41:54.600
world so you can keep going,
right, You wouldn't expect there to be

2612
02:41:54.680 --> 02:41:56.399
anything else. So it's a huge
surprise, ye yeah, yeah, when

2613
02:41:56.440 --> 02:42:01.200
you fallow up on this little side
mission and realized that what it actually is

2614
02:42:01.319 --> 02:42:03.200
is vengeance for your father. Yeah. I think those elements, those elements

2615
02:42:03.280 --> 02:42:07.799
like made me want to go back
to it again. And then because I

2616
02:42:07.840 --> 02:42:11.319
think that stuff sounds fucking really cool. It's it's incredible, and like even

2617
02:42:11.440 --> 02:42:13.280
like even the presentation of it when
it like you shoot the guy and your

2618
02:42:13.399 --> 02:42:16.159
turn and walk away and then it
just slams to red and like red Dead

2619
02:42:16.200 --> 02:42:22.079
Redemptions like the latest title card.
Yeah, it's it's it's handled incredibly well.

2620
02:42:22.200 --> 02:42:26.079
Yeah, I think calling that like
the Hollywood ending is like Hollywood by

2621
02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:30.879
way of Italy or you know,
yeah, like sure that sort of stuff.

2622
02:42:30.959 --> 02:42:33.920
It's probably like consistent with the kind
of cinematic inspirations of the game.

2623
02:42:33.079 --> 02:42:37.159
Yeah, like I thought that stuff
sounded pretty fun, Like I saw ended

2624
02:42:37.200 --> 02:42:39.399
up seeing it that someone kind of
walked way through that stuff and like,

2625
02:42:39.520 --> 02:42:43.479
yeah, this is fucking that's a
really fucking cool idea. Yeah, it's

2626
02:42:43.559 --> 02:42:46.520
it's like one of the best endings
to a game I think I've ever seen.

2627
02:42:46.639 --> 02:42:48.559
And I think you get your Cohen
Brothers in the fact that Marson dies

2628
02:42:48.639 --> 02:42:52.120
right, Like it's not a happy
ending because he's not just allowed to live

2629
02:42:52.159 --> 02:42:54.799
out his life tending the farm or
whatever, you know, like he ultimately

2630
02:42:54.879 --> 02:42:58.360
pays for the sins of his past. Well, and then there's that sad,

2631
02:42:58.639 --> 02:43:03.000
really good scene where I can't remember
you're in a carriage or something with

2632
02:43:03.840 --> 02:43:05.440
that girl. There's that girl you
talked to a lot, and she's clearly

2633
02:43:05.479 --> 02:43:09.360
got a thing for you, and
Marston just kind of has to begredgingly be

2634
02:43:09.440 --> 02:43:11.840
like, oh sorry, man,
you know I'm a married man. Yeah,

2635
02:43:11.879 --> 02:43:13.120
you know, he's you could tell
that they would like really like they're

2636
02:43:13.200 --> 02:43:16.719
hitting it off really well. Oh
you know, he's trying to clean up

2637
02:43:16.760 --> 02:43:20.200
his act. Yeah, he tries
to go straight, but past just catches

2638
02:43:20.239 --> 02:43:22.559
up with him. Yeah. Yeah, uh yeah, I'm I'm I'm with

2639
02:43:22.639 --> 02:43:26.360
you guys. Yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily agree with what this

2640
02:43:26.440 --> 02:43:30.159
guy has to say, but you
know, it's the kind of a sign

2641
02:43:30.200 --> 02:43:31.280
of a well executed thing is that, you know, there's a lot of

2642
02:43:31.360 --> 02:43:37.559
room for interpretation and personal preference and
stuff. So there you have it.

2643
02:43:37.559 --> 02:43:43.639
There's our five years late, uh
discussion on the ending of Red Dead.

2644
02:43:43.040 --> 02:43:46.399
That's cool. Yeah, I was
never gonna play it again, all right,

2645
02:43:46.399 --> 02:43:48.239
I kind of want to go back
and play it again. I've always

2646
02:43:48.280 --> 02:43:50.159
wanted to play it too, but
it's so good I don't want to go

2647
02:43:50.200 --> 02:43:52.959
back and play it on old consoles
again. Yeah, like I would three

2648
02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:56.680
six, like I would in a
heartbeat, would play through it again on

2649
02:43:56.719 --> 02:43:58.799
a PC or the new consoles or
something, just like to see it looking

2650
02:43:58.799 --> 02:44:03.120
back and everything, because that landscapes
are great and stuff. But you know,

2651
02:44:03.200 --> 02:44:05.079
I don't want to go back and
play through it again on the same

2652
02:44:05.120 --> 02:44:07.719
platform. I mean, like,
how excited would you be by the notion

2653
02:44:07.760 --> 02:44:09.920
of another one? Oh my god, they made a new because of I

2654
02:44:09.959 --> 02:44:13.959
can't think. Well, when you
think about like where the story of this

2655
02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:16.040
left off, like you know,
like gtaing it and saying like now you're

2656
02:44:16.040 --> 02:44:20.360
another cowboy, Like is that interesting? I think yes, yes, I

2657
02:44:20.399 --> 02:44:24.040
mean maybe different locations or whatever.
But I mean it's the West. It's

2658
02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.559
gonna look it's dusty and horsey,
right, you know, But yeah,

2659
02:44:26.639 --> 02:44:28.879
I would just give me more of
that. That's like I want, like

2660
02:44:28.959 --> 02:44:31.239
if you know, it's hard to
say ahead of time, Like if they

2661
02:44:31.280 --> 02:44:33.520
were to come out and say like
it's better than the last one, then

2662
02:44:33.639 --> 02:44:35.959
like that would be a really fucking
high bar and I would totally check it

2663
02:44:37.000 --> 02:44:39.120
out. But yes, I'm with
you that like it was kind of a

2664
02:44:39.159 --> 02:44:43.239
singular thing and doesn't necessarily need to
accept that it was a sequel. Yeah,

2665
02:44:43.360 --> 02:44:46.079
but come on, what was that
First Dead Revolver? I know,

2666
02:44:46.200 --> 02:44:48.399
but what was it? Like?
It wasn't it just a shitty kind of

2667
02:44:48.479 --> 02:44:54.440
level based action game Capcom Yeah,
Socom Capcom it was before it was like

2668
02:44:54.520 --> 02:44:58.000
Angel Studios or whatever. It wasn't
right, It wasn't it. Wait was

2669
02:44:58.040 --> 02:45:03.600
it the same studio? Thought?
Oh, maybe you're right. M Yeah,

2670
02:45:03.600 --> 02:45:05.520
I don't know. Yeah, you
know, there's I could look it

2671
02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:09.360
up and that's who cares. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's always rumors

2672
02:45:09.680 --> 02:45:13.600
up later, always rumors about what
rock stars working on and stuff. But

2673
02:45:13.000 --> 02:45:16.799
yeah, I mean, I would
absolutely be interested to see what they do

2674
02:45:16.879 --> 02:45:18.280
with it, but I'm not necessarily
clamoring for a new Red Dud. What

2675
02:45:18.319 --> 02:45:24.239
if instead of doing another spaghetti western
inspired game, they did something similar but

2676
02:45:24.399 --> 02:45:33.799
like made it like Kirasawa Samurai movie
style. Yeah, like applying their sensibilities

2677
02:45:33.799 --> 02:45:37.360
to another setting and another story.
Absolute. I think that would work with

2678
02:45:37.559 --> 02:45:45.239
their their similar sort of cinematic uh
prowess. What if they made a game

2679
02:45:45.399 --> 02:45:50.000
that was based on Muses Knights of
Sidonia. Yeah, am I gonna get

2680
02:45:50.040 --> 02:45:52.680
a gunned down the man who killed
my father and at the end of you

2681
02:45:52.760 --> 02:45:56.399
know the band is playing on a
hologram. Uh yeah, I don't know.

2682
02:45:56.520 --> 02:46:01.639
The older and more curmudgeonly I get
about things the less I want things

2683
02:46:01.680 --> 02:46:03.520
that I used to like to be
beaten into the ground, you know.

2684
02:46:03.680 --> 02:46:07.120
Like I see these rumors of Neil
bl bloom Camp doing a new alien movie,

2685
02:46:07.159 --> 02:46:09.879
and I'm just like, fucking let
it go. Yeah, Like we've

2686
02:46:09.920 --> 02:46:13.280
been down this road too many times. Like I don't need to see have

2687
02:46:13.360 --> 02:46:16.040
the same thing sold to me over
and over for the rest of my life.

2688
02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:18.840
I don't know that's necessarily old and
curmudgeonly. I think that's you know,

2689
02:46:18.040 --> 02:46:22.639
like when typically people get said in
their ways and just go like I

2690
02:46:22.760 --> 02:46:26.559
want more, right right? Well
yeah yeah. If anything, it's like

2691
02:46:26.680 --> 02:46:30.000
the the like blanket acceptance of anything
that's got the same name as the old

2692
02:46:30.040 --> 02:46:31.719
thing on it. You know.
It's like, right, it was like

2693
02:46:31.079 --> 02:46:33.920
what's changed, you know, think
about what's you know, Yeah, the

2694
02:46:35.040 --> 02:46:37.520
idea of a new alien movie at
this point, it's right, fucking pretty

2695
02:46:37.559 --> 02:46:39.280
ridiculous, you know. Like in
more recent contexts, I was reading a

2696
02:46:39.319 --> 02:46:43.440
discussion of True Detective the other day, and a lot of people were lamenting

2697
02:46:43.440 --> 02:46:45.319
the fact that like, oh,
they're not you know, it's totally new

2698
02:46:45.399 --> 02:46:48.200
characters in the second season. Who
cares. But it's like they told a

2699
02:46:48.239 --> 02:46:50.360
story in that first season, like
yeah, and how we're beginning to end.

2700
02:46:50.399 --> 02:46:54.440
There was an arc there and there
was a resolution at the end,

2701
02:46:54.559 --> 02:46:56.840
and like that's done. Yeah,
and the way that show works, where

2702
02:46:56.840 --> 02:46:58.399
are they going to pull them in
again and be like, Okay, so

2703
02:46:58.559 --> 02:47:01.079
we finished up that one case,
let's talk this crazy thing that happened in

2704
02:47:01.120 --> 02:47:03.520
ninety seven and with you two,
right, like you gotta do a new

2705
02:47:03.600 --> 02:47:05.879
character. But yeah, but you
know, it's more about the emotional arc

2706
02:47:05.920 --> 02:47:07.719
of the whole thing. You know, it's like where did the characters start?

2707
02:47:07.760 --> 02:47:09.360
Where did they end? Like there's
not really anywhere interesting to go with

2708
02:47:09.479 --> 02:47:11.920
them after that. Yeah, So
I either you trust the quality of the

2709
02:47:11.959 --> 02:47:16.840
storytellers to tell you a different story
with different characters or you don't. You

2710
02:47:16.879 --> 02:47:20.280
know, I think that that's a
way more interesting approach in a lot of

2711
02:47:20.319 --> 02:47:24.719
ways. But yeah, I don't
know. People people like sequels. They

2712
02:47:24.799 --> 02:47:26.360
like this church, and I'm I
do too. Yeah, yeah, you

2713
02:47:26.399 --> 02:47:28.639
know, I mean they're perfectly natural. A lot a lot of cases of

2714
02:47:28.680 --> 02:47:33.280
sequels, like far surpassing the game
that oh yeah, and the game of

2715
02:47:33.399 --> 02:47:37.280
games is the one medium where that's
often true. Yeah, you know,

2716
02:47:37.440 --> 02:47:43.200
and for like or like consistently and
Terminator two, yeah, and like then

2717
02:47:43.360 --> 02:47:48.559
Terminator three and on and that's not
even there, that's that's no. Yeah.

2718
02:47:48.680 --> 02:47:52.840
Yeah. Last generation is full of
games that were kind of okay in

2719
02:47:52.920 --> 02:47:56.639
their first outing, yeah, and
then got great and their first or second

2720
02:47:56.680 --> 02:48:03.040
sequel. Anyway, some wordy emails
this week BombCast of Janet bomb dot com.

2721
02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:07.239
Man is the address more new stuff? What's that? More new?

2722
02:48:07.399 --> 02:48:11.399
Yeah, it doesn't always make new
stuff. Well that's the scary thing though,

2723
02:48:11.399 --> 02:48:13.200
of course, you know, they
made the order and let's see what

2724
02:48:13.280 --> 02:48:16.000
happens. But yeah, yeah,
there's no guarantee that new stuff is going

2725
02:48:16.040 --> 02:48:18.399
to be but that that that's a
risk that I can feel better about,

2726
02:48:18.440 --> 02:48:22.000
oh absolutely, like, you know, because because it's not my money going

2727
02:48:22.040 --> 02:48:26.000
into funding it, so of course
I feel better about it. But yeah,

2728
02:48:26.600 --> 02:48:28.719
yeah, it's a you know,
this is a risk averse, hit

2729
02:48:28.879 --> 02:48:31.159
driven business. Yeah, which it's
kind of scary when it's more and more

2730
02:48:31.239 --> 02:48:35.239
like movies every day. Yep,
at that level, at that at that

2731
02:48:35.360 --> 02:48:39.120
big budget level, you know,
that's a that's a grim outlook. Yeah,

2732
02:48:39.639 --> 02:48:43.920
But you're not wrong. Uh,
bomdcast Giant Bomb dot com. In

2733
02:48:43.000 --> 02:48:46.399
case you forgot what I said ninety
seconds ago. That will do it for

2734
02:48:46.440 --> 02:48:52.719
the podcast this week. What is
happening on the website? Uh? What

2735
02:48:52.879 --> 02:48:56.920
are we? What are we doing? We're looking at some games. Yeah,

2736
02:48:56.959 --> 02:48:58.920
I feel like I had the answer
to this question and then you actually

2737
02:49:00.000 --> 02:49:01.040
asked it. I'm gonna fuck man, I don't know. I don't want

2738
02:49:01.079 --> 02:49:07.600
things. Episode one of Revelations,
right. Yeah, yeah, there's not

2739
02:49:07.719 --> 02:49:11.600
of games or things to look at
this new new installment of the Advice podcast

2740
02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:20.559
Dancers with Dan and Danny sites look
Giant Blom, Giant Blom, Fine Blomiant,

2741
02:49:20.639 --> 02:49:28.159
Giant Bomb Unplugged. I mean,
you guys are gonna actually start playing

2742
02:49:28.200 --> 02:49:30.959
this time. I've hopefully heard tell
of this. Yeah, we still need

2743
02:49:31.040 --> 02:49:33.719
to we still need to finish off
the end of the character creation from Lastica.

2744
02:49:33.799 --> 02:49:37.040
I'd like to do that off camera. If your character roles of four,

2745
02:49:37.120 --> 02:49:39.479
does he automatically win? I don't
know, probably lobby for that.

2746
02:49:39.600 --> 02:49:43.520
There's Oh, there's still a fair
fair amount of dice rolling and math to

2747
02:49:43.559 --> 02:49:48.840
do. I think fun for those
characters are roadworthy. That sounds like a

2748
02:49:48.920 --> 02:49:50.920
great time. Yeah, if we
want to check it up. Somebody did

2749
02:49:52.000 --> 02:49:56.079
send me know your role the two
thousand three or two thousand and four w

2750
02:49:56.200 --> 02:50:01.760
a role playing D and D type
game. Okay, maybe once this campaign

2751
02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:05.639
is complete you can look take a
look at that for sure. Yeah,

2752
02:50:05.680 --> 02:50:07.760
there's there's some stuff out. I
got that new Shadow of Mortal or DLC.

2753
02:50:07.879 --> 02:50:11.959
Take a look that bright Lord,
the bright Lord. Yes, yeah,

2754
02:50:11.000 --> 02:50:15.799
I'm gonna play that. Yes.
Uh, whole World is out this

2755
02:50:15.879 --> 02:50:18.520
week, right, yeah, total
War? Total War is that last week.

2756
02:50:18.799 --> 02:50:22.920
Have a quick video games continuing to
release. It's good news for everybody,

2757
02:50:24.360 --> 02:50:28.159
all right, Well that will do
it then, yeah, unless anybody

2758
02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:35.639
has anything to add. Breaking pause, No, see next week