1 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:18,039 What is krack Owakin Hardwin knocks listeners, I am Dance Valley coming, yet 2 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,760 you would out my pen appuist co host Adam Bramo. I am, however, 3 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:27,239 super pleased and excited to be joined by fellow Bleacher Report colleague Jake Fisher. 4 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:31,079 Follow him on Twitter at Jake L Fisher. He is also the author 5 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,439 of Bill to Lose How the NBA's tanking error Changed the League Forever. I 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,920 highly recommend that book. Go check it out. You can find it wherever 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,439 books are sold. He is also the host of the Please Don't Aggregate this 8 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:47,159 podcast that is on the Get Collin app so you can also find all that 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,439 stuff on his Twitter again, that's at Jake L. Fisher f I s 10 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,719 h e R. He was nice enough to take some time about a half 11 00:00:55,719 --> 00:00:59,159 an hour, come in and talk about the fallout that we can expect from 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,359 this season and the playoffs leading into the off season. We get into Lakers, 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,560 Nick's, Grizzlies, Pelicans, the Jazz predominantly talk a little bit about 14 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:11,640 what we can expect the trade markets to be this summer since there is limited 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,359 cap space. It was a fun conversation. We hope you enjoy it. 16 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:19,040 Thought it'd be a nice little break from us covering the awards the playoff races. 17 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:23,840 Just something to do a little bit different as we keep talking about the 18 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,200 same thing over and over again. A nice little primer for the off season, 19 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,560 in my opinion. 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That's where we throw 28 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:06,400 our mailbag solicitations as well. First, the link is in our podcast description, 29 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:08,560 so hurry up and go join. With all that out of the way, 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:14,319 though, let's get to talk talking to NBA offseason with Bleacher Reports Jake 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,759 Fisher, Jake, thank you so much for coming back on the Hardwood Knox 32 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,520 podcast for a second time. I really appreciate it. First and foremost, 33 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:28,080 how are you doing. I'm hanging in Man a little a little groggy today. 34 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,479 I'm not gonna lie, but we're here with a br colleague, so 35 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:32,680 trying to bring in as much energy as we can. How are you? 36 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:37,520 I am doing spectacular. How much? Look you're busy. I mean it's 37 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,960 not the trade deadline, but I know you're busy. How much caffeine are 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,280 you consuming on a daily basis? Is this a life doesn't begin before one 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:50,039 Graham situation? Or I don't bring I do not consume caffeine. Actually, 40 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,520 that's been kind of a strong stance of mind dating back to my childhood. 41 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,960 So we'll see how long it continues. I just turned to eight a couple 42 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,199 of weeks ago, so I'm still early in the in the adult world, 43 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,319 but I think I'm going to be a staunch commitment guy to know caffeine. 44 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,479 Yeah, I mean, holy shit, that's impressive. I turned thirty a 45 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,319 couple of years ago, and I don't drink coffee, but if you tapped 46 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,120 my blood, there would just be caffeine in it. That's just how I 47 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:25,039 functioned, So kudos to you. I wanted to start here. We don't 48 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,080 talk about the Lakers a lot on this podcast because they really haven't given us 49 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,919 anything interesting to talk about. But you published a piece recently, a Bleach 50 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,680 report about the future or lack thereof, of Frank Vogel in Los Angeles. 51 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:43,120 They were just eliminated from playing contention of all things, What is the what 52 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,039 do we expect from them this offseason? You already wrote that Frank Vogel has 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,479 probably gone, but is there any other upheaval we should expect? Yeah, 54 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:53,159 you know, on Monday, woke up and was trying to figure out with 55 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,159 our editors what the story for Tuesday should be. And the fact that they're 56 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:04,120 facing elimination and last night we're recording this Wednesday morning, it seems pretty ripe 57 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:10,280 to to spin that ball forward. And you know, the Vogel talk has 58 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:15,400 been out there since January at least maybe even earlier. Memory doesn't serve to 59 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:19,079 be much longer than January. But you know, I talked to people in 60 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:25,920 and around the Lakers this week. They were kind of speaking about Vogel's tender 61 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 there as a fore gone conclusion. You know about the ifs and the winds 62 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:33,480 and you know, spitballing types of candidates and not you know about whether Vocal 63 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:38,920 will be back. So I mean, I do think he's unfairly being scaped 64 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,079 over here, I will say that. And the guy helped them get a 65 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,399 title in twenty twenty and the year after they were number one in defense, 66 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:51,680 and obviously that the injuries have been, you know, not necessarily his fault. 67 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,360 And I think also the Russell westwork traid clearly of course was not something 68 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:01,480 that Frank Vogel went and beat his chest and wanted to have that be completed. 69 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:06,279 So it is what it is. I think it's also and that's kind 70 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,439 of just where the NBA is right now. When situations don't really go as 71 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:15,839 planned, the coach is typically the one to have the blame be you know, 72 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:18,120 fall on their shoulders, so outside of him, you know, to 73 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,959 answer your question, they're going to definitely look to move Westbrook. I mean, 74 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:26,199 that's something that they obviously look to do at the trade deadline, but 75 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,759 it's gonna be difficult. Well, they have to move both first round picks 76 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:33,360 that they now will have access to. This summer of the twenty twenty seven 77 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,480 and the twenty twenty nine to get off of his contract when it's an expiring 78 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:42,480 contract, that's a that's a you know, precarious situation to me. I 79 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,560 mean, I don't want to give up draft capital through the next the rest 80 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,680 of this decade, you know, just to get off of an expiring contract. 81 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,920 I'd rather try to find a different solution. I'd rather try to maybe 82 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,079 use one pick to get off for us and another pick to try to use 83 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,199 that Taylor Horton Kendrid Nun package that they kind of offered all over the league. 84 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,040 I mean pretty much every team I called before the deadline said that they 85 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,319 got some type of call from the Lakers about Taylor Horton, Tucker, and 86 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,920 Kendrick Nuns. So I mean, i'd imagine that would continue. I can't, 87 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:15,120 you know, I don't know what Kendrick Nun's trade value would be, 88 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,720 being that he hasn't played a game on all this season, so I don't 89 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,519 know what the options are. It's pretty limited. I Mean, the gist 90 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,040 of what the Lakers can do this year to really or this offseason, to 91 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:31,399 really shuffle their deck is to change the coach which we said it's pretty expected 92 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,720 to move Russell Westbrook and then to trade a Taylor Horton Tucker Kendrick Nunpacking. 93 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:42,000 That's really it. That's really where their flexibility lies. I think, you 94 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,240 know, there's like the Frank vocal situation is what they can change just because 95 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,279 the RUSS is the forty seven million dollar player option and as you mentioned, 96 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,959 it's expiring. Conci's such a big salary even in the off season, Like 97 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,920 we're talking about like a one for three or four players swap in most situations 98 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,680 there and like with that, they they're already talking about You mentioned in your 99 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,519 piece that Rambus could technically be a candidate, but you were quick to rebuff 100 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,040 that. I think you scared Lakers. You scared the crap out of me 101 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,519 when I first let that line. Is that one of the least likely outcomes, 102 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:15,040 like we're not going to see Kurt Rambis, like you know, paunting 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,319 the Lakers sidelines next season. You know, from my understanding, the Lakers 104 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:24,120 are not very far along in their head coaching process. I mean, bank 105 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:26,879 Will still employed and they still have a couple of games left here, right, 106 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,319 But even you know, the Kings from what I've been told they haven't 107 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,240 really started making legitimate outreaches yet, even though they're very expected to move on 108 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:39,959 from Alvin Gentry as well. So the names that are being out that are 109 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,920 being whispered out there, even the ones that I've written publicly, the ones 110 00:07:43,959 --> 00:07:48,120 that I did not include in that story, I mean, they're not technically 111 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,759 like quote candidates, right, That's why we put it in potential candidates, 112 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:57,480 excuse me, potential candidates and probable candidates and that type of language, being 113 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:01,439 that those are names that maybe the Lakers want, maybe those names would want 114 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,879 the Lakers, and the fact and fiction will kind of separate themselves once that 115 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:11,480 opening really is available and once the season comes to the conclusion and they actually 116 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,399 start reaching out to Cannon's the rambist thing. I mean, by all accounts, 117 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,560 he's one of the four most powerful people in that franchise, and if 118 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,360 he wants, if he wanted to coach, I think he'd be the coach. 119 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,920 Like if it's that, you know, if it's that streamline, like 120 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,519 if Kurt Ramas wanted to be the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers, 121 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,399 I think it would happen. But from my understanding, he's got a pretty 122 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,320 cushy gig and that he's just kind of a senior advisor. I mean, 123 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,279 sure he's got a lot of power, but a lot of this goes back 124 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,320 to Rob and Vogel and Lebron and Clutch. Right, he's kind of shadow 125 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,039 GM is the name that people say for his wife Linda, Like he kind 126 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,440 of is operating in the shadows. To move yourself onto the front lines, 127 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,600 onto the sidelines might be something that is not exactly ideal in terms of, 128 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,399 you know, for a power player. For I always use the word COGNICENTI 129 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,080 for the Lakers, being that kind of how it seems people exist in that 130 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,000 franchise. My final thing on this is and you touched upon this in your 131 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,120 piece of Leacher Report too, so go check that out. That was just 132 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,840 loaded with a ton of information. As always, we should not expect the 133 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,480 more nuclear scenarios. I think a lot of talking heads or you know, 134 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,919 made for clicks or engagement segments have centered around, oh would they trade Lebron 135 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,039 or a D Like. The most nuclear scenario I feel like is what you 136 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,919 outlined. If they're actually willing to give up draft equity to get off Russ's 137 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,720 deal, and that seems like the biggest roster move that they would make. 138 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Agreed. I think, you know, if some very very very beneficial deal 139 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:48,879 for Anton Davis comes along, that's you know, knocks their socks off, 140 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:50,559 that's like, holy shit, this is going to be, you know, 141 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,360 a real thing that moves our needle here. I think they would listen. 142 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:00,679 But honestly, everyone, I've pitched the idea of because when I wrote about 143 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,279 the Lakers a couple of weeks ago, back when they really started to take 144 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:09,639 a tumble and everything seemed to be starting to shift towards this point, like 145 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,200 when it really seemed possible that they could miss the play in Torment altogether. 146 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,879 I think it was like the first week of March I wrote a story about 147 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,360 them, and I did not include the potential of trading Anthony Davis, being 148 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,200 that everyone I talked to them pretty much pushed back immediately on that concept. 149 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,000 But I was surprised how many Lakers fans kind of wanted them to explore that 150 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,759 opportunity, and even still like, at this point, still seems very unlikely 151 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,360 that they would really entertain that. I mean, people in the league want 152 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,759 to whisper about like maybe Lebron and a d aren't on great terms right now, 153 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:45,440 but like at this point though, they want a title together when healthy, 154 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,799 and I think people around that situation still believe when those two guys are 155 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,840 healthy together, they will have as good a shot as anyone to win a 156 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,679 championship as wide open as the league you know, purportedly seemed right now, 157 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:00,799 which isn't an egregious thought to have, like a health of Lebron and ad 158 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,679 Like, I think if you could just build a half competent roster around them, 159 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,519 which is something the Lakers just haven't been able to do this season, 160 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,600 I actually think that that's a fair stance to take, sort of intertwined with 161 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:13,240 this team just because Quinn Snyder was one of the names you mentioned in your 162 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,200 piece that might peak the Lakers interest, and his name's sort of been floating 163 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,559 around the ether. Is maybe is he leaving the Jazz. There's been some 164 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,759 weird stuff in the past with him in the front office. We know that 165 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:28,000 he already won a power struggle there. Is he There's a lot to dig 166 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:33,759 into with the Jazz's future, But is he actually a flight risk in Utah? 167 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,320 It seems so. Mark Stein first reported that a couple of weeks ago 168 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,360 in his sub stack and he wrote some line in there ang the lines of 169 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,600 that the Jazz have been unable to extend his contract. And I don't have 170 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,440 the details one hundred percent confirmed, but my understanding is that, yes, 171 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,919 that there's been efforts to extend his deal or to add an option or to 172 00:11:54,919 --> 00:12:00,000 pick up an option whenever the Again, I don't have the exact specifics, 173 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,279 but he's at least his behavior with his contract has at least given Jazz people 174 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:09,039 an impression that he might potentially leave. And I think, you know Danny 175 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,639 Ainge taking over as CEO, there's certainly a lot of rumblings around the League 176 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,080 of quote unquote big changes coming in Utah. Whether that's I mean, they've 177 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,919 already hired a bunch of people under new OWDA Ryan Smith to the front office 178 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,600 and the coaching staff and what have you to try to support Donovan Mitchell, 179 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,840 and they're never ending quests to make him more comfortable in Salt Lake City. 180 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,679 And I mean Doc Rivers his name comes up a lot too in conversations to 181 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,480 people about a potential candidate to replace Quinn Snyder. So the fact that those 182 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,399 two pieces are out there, like connecting all the data points, it would 183 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,279 seem to be that there's at least some type of expectation that it really is 184 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,919 plausible Quinn Snyder might not be with the Jazz next season. And I know 185 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,960 you say you didn't have like one hundred percent details on this. I guess 186 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,919 that's the nature of coaching contracts. But is like is he a free agent 187 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,360 this like does he have his own option or do we just not even know 188 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,679 what the terms of his deal right now are because I've not been able to 189 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:09,159 find out anything about what his actual contract looks like at the moment. From 190 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:13,679 my understanding, he could become one. Okay, I guess all I can 191 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,799 say, yeah, that is wild and this is sort of happening in the 192 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,679 backdrop of you know, and Quinn Snyder went on in a passion speech against 193 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,559 this. It was like two parts valid, one part hysterical. I don't 194 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,240 know if you saw that he said, sometimes Rudy and Donovan Mitchell eat lunch 195 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,159 together. And that's not just me like pulling a random quote, like if 196 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,960 you read that entire thing, That's how he closed out this like long, 197 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,600 like winded speech. It was hysterical. The Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell stuff. 198 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,000 I don't want to set a benchmark of Utah has to get here in 199 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,519 the postseason otherwise they're gonna explore major changes. It sounds like, based off 200 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,399 what you said, that anything could just be on the table in general for 201 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:54,879 them. But are the futures of Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell like actually something 202 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:56,519 that is on the table if the Jazz, let's say, flame out in 203 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,480 the second round of the playoffs yet again, people are on the league New 204 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:07,240 York in particular, I've heard a bit of Miami definitely want Dono Mitchell's future 205 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,639 to be on the table. I've been saying all along, and this is 206 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:16,159 more of an educated guest, because you know, teams don't very often candidly 207 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:20,840 talk about their plans to break up a superstar and all star pairing middle of 208 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:24,279 the season. But I've been saying all along, if they do decide to 209 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,720 ultimately move on from one of those guys, my educated guests would be that 210 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:35,200 it would be Rudy Gobert first and not Dono Mitchell, which is kind of 211 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,080 treacherous being that that could in theory put put the Jazz in a position where 212 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,679 they move Rudy for you know, extraturn package, and then by some time 213 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,679 next season or the year after that, Dona Mitchell does request to trade and 214 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,840 then all of a sudden they're left without both of those guys. And you 215 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:54,000 know, there's also a lot of credit to be given to Rudy Gobert as 216 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:58,240 to how successful he's been there and how much he's raised that team ceiling, 217 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,159 especially defense. I mean, he's a three time Defensive Player of the Year, 218 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,200 could would again this year, probably won't, just based off of how 219 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:11,039 the narrative machine works, But I mean, I'm not so sure how moving 220 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,919 Rudy Gobert dramatically changes things there. I think it's mostly the depth around those 221 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:20,879 two guys that's been the big issue. But if they are to go back 222 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,759 and answer your question, if they are looking to quote unquote break up that 223 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:30,279 pairing, my guests at this point would be that Gobert would be the first 224 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,279 name to go rather than Donovan. I think he's just Donovan is a younger, 225 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,639 be more of a piece that is malleable, that can fit certain types 226 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,840 of playing styles and pieces around him that you just don't look to move if 227 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,720 you don't have to until he levies a trade request. Kind of the same 228 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:50,799 thing with Damian Lillard in Portland and Bradley Beale in Washington, Like until he 229 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:56,519 does ultimately say, like I do want out of here, I wouldn't very, 230 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:00,000 very, very I'd be very skeptical of the jazz, even remotely entertainment. 231 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,159 Mcdonovan. I agree with everything you said there, and it's the Rudy 232 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,399 Gobert stuff, especially because I don't know what you actually get when you move 233 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,159 him. He's a generational defender, but you look at the end of his 234 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,320 contract, there's a forty six point seven million dollars player options on that. 235 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,799 I don't know who's going to be pining filming at the mouth to pay Rudy 236 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,840 Gobert in his thirties that type of money. I know this ventures into more 237 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,879 guesswork, but doesn't seem more likely that they would move both of them rather 238 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,200 than just move Donovan and try and continue to build around Rudy Gobert, Because 239 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,799 to me, it almost seems like if you tried to build around Gobert, 240 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,039 that sets an even lower cap on your ceiling, just because of his limitations 241 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,559 on the offensive end. I don't know if I agree with that. I 242 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,440 think, you know, if you have him as a bassline defensively, and 243 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,240 he can be a pretty good pick and roll partner as a lob threat, 244 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,320 which we don't really see him used too much as I think, I think 245 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,639 there's a way to build a team not around Rudy Gobert is like your focal 246 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,159 point, but to build a team around him being he's a forty six million 247 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,680 dollar contract on your books and he is what he is, like, you 248 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,440 know what you're getting for to go there pretty much every night. But I 249 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:12,440 just think, you know, this is a superstars league, and especially if 250 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,799 superstars league of guys who can score and create their own shot on their own, 251 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,160 and when you have a guy that in Donovan, he is the piece 252 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,440 that just across the board. Anyone he talked to in the NBA would say, 253 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,680 like, you keep this guy as long as possible until he says, 254 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:32,519 I don't want to be here anymore. So I don't think they would move 255 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,519 both those guys to summer unless Danny A just wants to come in off the 256 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:37,559 top rope and say, screw it, let's let's build this thing over from 257 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:41,359 the from scratch and you know, I mean, starting a rebuild is the 258 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:47,319 easiest way to give a front office longevity, right, So maybe that's what 259 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,559 they ultimately try to do from that perspective, but at this point, I 260 00:17:51,559 --> 00:17:55,000 don't think that's very likely. I think I think we'll see Donovan Mitchell and 261 00:17:55,079 --> 00:17:59,400 a Utah Jazz uniform on opening day in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three. 262 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:03,240 Yea three are players like him on like their second contracts that they just 263 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,640 don't get moved That just rarely ever happens in this league jumping to another Western 264 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,680 Conference team. And I know you touched upon this in your latest podcast episode. 265 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,839 I don't really like giving it credence, but I know it's like a 266 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,640 topic Zion Williamson's future in New Orleans, the debate over it. Has it 267 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:26,000 actually been overblown? I don't think it's been overblown, being that there's been 268 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:30,839 so much tension down there and the fact that his father is going on local 269 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,000 radio kind of, you know, saying that Zion wants to play and he's 270 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:38,839 posting that Instagram dunk and the Pelicans clearly don't want him to play. You 271 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,839 know, there's enough there where, I mean look at to bring us back 272 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,359 to Utah. I always come back to this example when talking about superstars. 273 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,519 Are all stars in their their franchise, you know, longevity when the Jazz 274 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,799 will ultimately, when the Jazz went out and said that Gordon Hayward could just 275 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,200 go find an offer sheet back and I think it was twenty fourteen and he 276 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:03,119 signed that deal with Charlotte, Like I think Gordon Hayber remembered that when he 277 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,880 became, you know, the top free agent on the market in twenty eighteen 278 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,440 and left for Boston. So like the way it just like it just like 279 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:17,000 any relationship. You know, if someone you know said something to you, 280 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:18,960 that can stick in your craw for a while. So if someone's actions, 281 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,960 you know, reveal something that maybe isn't what you want them to be, 282 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,559 you know that that that can stick with you. So it hasn't been you 283 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:30,519 know, ceremonious and Austin pats to go down there from the jump right right 284 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,480 back to Zion's rookie year where he came back from that injury and there were 285 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,759 those burst limits that he didn't like. And you know, I think when 286 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:47,000 David Griffin went out and publicly criticized the referees for the injury that ended zion 287 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,720 season in twenty twenty, which was like a finger injury. Like I was 288 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:55,680 told, there were some eye rolls from people around Zion about like Griffin trying 289 00:19:55,759 --> 00:20:00,079 to kind of win favor with him and do stuff like through the media to 290 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,000 you know, go to bat for him. That that wasn't necessarily taken as 291 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,400 intended. So and I don't know if that necessarily means that work. This 292 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,839 is trending towards you know, Zion gets traded this summer, blah blah blah. 293 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,119 But to say that it's overblown, like the fact that that relationship hasn't 294 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,440 been komed by ya is something that could ultimately rear its ugly head at a 295 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,519 certain point. Would you expect it given Zion's injury history, and then how 296 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:29,359 important a healthy's line actually is the Pelicans franchise that he would sign and they 297 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,039 would offer an extension this summer, and that this becomes if it ever blows 298 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,880 up the situation of the player just wants to get his long term money and 299 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,400 then maybe he'll try and orchestrate a trade later until something otherwise happens. I 300 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,519 expect him to sign a contract very similar to what joelmbe did in Philadelphia a 301 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:51,200 very injury incentive late in type deal where it is a full max, but 302 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:53,599 there's a lot of benchmarks he has to hit to actually get that number. 303 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,319 And the Pelicans overall, they've been We know they went after Lowery and CP 304 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,240 three over the sum or they traded for CJ. McCollum at the deadline, 305 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,799 a deal that I actually thought it was a home run for them when people 306 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:08,519 were panning it. Do you think they'll still be aggressive as we go into 307 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:11,319 the off season or are they sort of looking at this as a situation of 308 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,799 let's add a healthy zion and allow this cour to marinate and see what we 309 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:19,200 actually have here. You know, at this point they're probably going to get 310 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,440 a top ten pick thanks to the Lakers pick falling falling, falling, falling 311 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,160 down the standings. I mean, for a while everyone in the league was 312 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,160 talking about how the Grizzlies are going to have three first round picks this year, 313 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,240 and they can't take three first rounds on this roster. They're gonna make 314 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:36,920 a big move. Now. One of those picks is a Pelicans pick, 315 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,920 and it's top ten and based off of where they stand, like I can't 316 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,240 imagine adding, especially where this draft is kind of being considered that there's supposed 317 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,960 to be a lot of good players from you know, five to fourteen. 318 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,079 But I don't think there's anyone that's going to come in that the Pelicans right 319 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,920 now are going to look at and that this guy can be a massive piece 320 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,759 for our court. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this point I'd expect them 321 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:03,440 to try to look at that pick to go trade and upgrade and make a 322 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,359 move to push this team sealing closer to the legitimate playoff picture rather than the 323 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,680 plan. Yeah, I think they're going to continue to try to win. 324 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,480 I mean, it's been three years since that front since that front office has 325 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:17,119 taken over, and they're on their third coach now. They seem to have 326 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,240 gotten it right with Willy Green. The seed they trade, to your point, 327 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,680 was pretty much a home run. Adding and Larry Nance as like another 328 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,720 huge bonus. Like they've got pieces here where you see things seem to think, 329 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000 you know, add Zion Williamson and one more piece, could they be 330 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,319 right in the mix with the Minnesota's and the Denver's of the world, of 331 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:40,759 that middle tier of the pack right now, Like I think that's very possible. 332 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:42,960 And the other thing I come back to just how hard Willy Green has 333 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,000 them defending and transition. Like even with c J and Brandon Ingram on the 334 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,519 court, this team feels the West is gonna be wild next year of Qui's 335 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:53,160 back in Denver's of full strength. But the Pelicans feel closer I think than 336 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:57,319 nationally. They get credit forward to being something special if Zion is healthy, 337 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,440 of course, Yeah, I think the whole league is just trying to a 338 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:07,200 point where I don't think we're ever going to see a situation where the Calves 339 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,920 and the Warriors met in four straight finals ever. Again, I think there's 340 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,519 just so much talent in the NBA right now. Coaching is better than it's 341 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:18,039 ever been, Skill development's better than it's ever been. The way that the 342 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,960 way that scoring has opened up with pace and officiating and the amount of three 343 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,839 points shots that are being taken, and the quality of the shooters that we 344 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,480 see from top to bottom. I just think I think the West and the 345 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,319 East are both going to be blood bass for you know, many many years 346 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,599 to come. I really do. Another team that was eliminated from playoff contention 347 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,839 a while ago, you would report it on that the Knicks are planning on 348 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,559 keeping Tom Thibodeau beyond this season. Is that still what you expect and do 349 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:55,119 you see there being any like measurable fallout from the disappointment that was this season? 350 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:59,279 I think when you specifically look at do we expect to hear Julius Randall's 351 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,799 name throwing about the trade market all off season? Yeah? I reported that 352 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,599 a little while ago, and then someone said it on a show last night, 353 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,039 and then it is taken as news. So now I'm just I'm just 354 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,039 I'm just making an uncessary shot. Yeah, I do think I do. 355 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:19,039 I mean, nothing has changed. I think he's got the ultimate support of 356 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Leon Rose there, and I mean he won coach of the Year. It 357 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:26,640 took them to the first round, you know, home court advantage in the 358 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:33,359 postseason just a year ago. As much as there's I think credence to Knicks 359 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,799 fans wanting to have it change there, He's going to be the coach there, 360 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,759 at least for next season. The changes will come. I don't know 361 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,799 if it's going to be Randall, but I mean they pretty much put everyone 362 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,319 on the table at the deadline from my understanding, I mean, even the 363 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,759 even Mayo quickly was I think being discussed in certain scenarios. So there's gonna 364 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:56,759 be a lot of efforts to have a roster overhaul. Will Randall be one 365 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,640 of them, I mean, good luck moving contracts. It could be one 366 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:07,880 of the more difficult contracts behind Russell Westbrook and Rudy Gobert. So maybe it's 367 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,000 in a package for one of those guys. But I mean, every time 368 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,240 I've talked to Knicks people about a rusteel, they've kind of laughed me off 369 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:18,720 the phone. So I don't know if that's going to change. And I 370 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,920 don't really see a clear trade partner for anyone, you know, wanting Julius 371 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,359 Randall right now. So we'll see, we'll see what they can do it. 372 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,079 But I would expect most of their trade opportunities to be more on the 373 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,440 periphery. The Alec burks Is, the neurons, the wells. They're gonna 374 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:40,279 have Robertson's contract to address. I think it'll be more of that stuff, 375 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,359 but then than a big Randall trade, but who knows. It certainly could 376 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,519 be on the table from from everything I've heard, and if they're going to 377 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,359 keep tips, then the sort of implication there is that this team is not 378 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,839 actually looking at the conventional rebuild that I think some fans have been pining for, 379 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,400 where it's going to be all about the youngsters. If you have tips 380 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,799 there, my assumption would be that you're going to still try and be aggressive 381 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,680 to make moves that make you a win now candidate next season. I think 382 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,440 in the Knicks for an office is pie in the sky best case scenario. 383 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:14,279 Offseason, they're they're trading for Zion and Donovan Mitchell's that's their goal, right, 384 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:18,279 Like they want to get stars back there in the garden and the playoff 385 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,880 picture and blah blah blah, Like they really did think they had Kad and 386 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,359 Kyrie e Ben coming, you know. Like, I think that's still the 387 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,599 type of long term aspirations that they do have. Short term, long term 388 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,920 I think that's overall what their goal is, to get at least one star 389 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,640 first, who will hopefully try to attract another. So no, I think 390 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,519 any any any type of concept of moving towards a rebuild, I don't expect 391 00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:47,319 that to happen at all. And it's been since roughly the dawn of time 392 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,039 that the Knicks have extended one of their own first round picks. Does R. 393 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,119 J. Barrett have a chance to break that trend or is this a 394 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,039 situation where he might Actually, you know, he's really good, but there's 395 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,279 still a lot of questions about his game. If he's coming and asking for 396 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:03,640 the MAX, I don't think that's a no brainer decision from an organizational perspective. 397 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,319 So it feels like there's actually a pretty good chance he won't sign an 398 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,559 extension this offseason. Well, if he doesn't sign on this off season, 399 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:17,799 that doesn't mean he won't next year. But I'm not I'm optimistic they'll find 400 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,279 a deal, I think. I mean, obviously he's gonna want as much 401 00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,839 as he can get, but I don't think there's any really credience to him 402 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,039 having a MAX, right, So is there a number they can find that 403 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,240 makes both sides happy? I think so. From early conversations I've had about 404 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,400 that, I think there's at least optimism that a deal will get done. 405 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,279 He has played really well late, you know, he had a really strong 406 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:48,000 second half of half of the season. I think he I think he's turned 407 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,599 his way into a Timms player. I mean, I think he's played well 408 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,720 over thirty five minutes again or well over thirty most nights he's played in authorities, 409 00:27:53,839 --> 00:28:00,599 right, so I think he's someone who's going to be at least around 410 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,880 in the near term. However, he is probably the best player they have 411 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359 to put on the table for a package to go get a superstar type player 412 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,039 that theoretically would become available. So that could also be, you know, 413 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,599 the biggest monkey wrench of all in this scenario. You know, you only 414 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,880 have a couple of minutes. I'll wrap up with a couple quick questions here, 415 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,400 is there a team that we should be watching. It's maybe not being 416 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,359 talked about enough as we head into the off season, whether it's a playoff 417 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,200 team with a ton at stake that isn't the Jazz, or just a team 418 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,960 that you expect to be older, aggressive or make some serious waves once we 419 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,079 get into the NBA off season. Grizzlies, we'll do something. To my 420 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480 point earlier, I mean, there's just there's not much room for them to 421 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,839 take two first round picks onto their books right now. I mean, how 422 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:48,799 valuable the picks they have are that's to be debated elsewhere. But because I 423 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:52,000 think the off top of my head, they have to they have the Jazzes 424 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,480 pick and their own picks, so that'll be somewhere between like eighteen, and 425 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,640 they'll two picks from summer between eighteen and thirty, which aren't you know, 426 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,720 the most valuable commodities. But they can go get something. So plus they've 427 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:06,240 got some other young pieces that they could maybe throw in a sweet nurse. 428 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,079 I don't know what that they can get back, but people are on the 429 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:12,920 league are definitely keeping an eye on them to make a move, and I 430 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,440 mean Miami as well. Like the Heat did a little thing with the thunder 431 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,720 at the deadline right to free up a future first round pick from I was 432 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,400 talking to a cap guy earlier this week who said they could trade it up 433 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,799 to four first round picks, you know, Tyler Hero and Duncan Robinson and 434 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,839 go get anybody, right, So I mean, is that Bradley Beal, 435 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,680 is that Dona Mitchell? You know they're gonna try to get somebody. That's 436 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,680 People on the league are definitely bracing for the Heat to go make another big 437 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,319 splash, and earliest in a temph to go make another big splash. Yeah, 438 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:45,200 that deal with the thunder. When it happened, I was like, 439 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,880 oh, they're clearly going to do something before the actual buzzard to the deadline, 440 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400 and when they didn't, it just felt like they were setting themselves up 441 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,440 to do something seismic over the offseason, which would be extremely typical for the 442 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,240 Heat. I guess at this point it would be. Yeah, I mean, 443 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,799 they went out and got Jimmy Butler, they went out and got Kyle 444 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,599 Lowry, always never having cap space like that, when that they had no 445 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,279 cap space, got Jimmy Butler. I'm like, all right, this isn't 446 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:11,880 the NFL level. The salary cap is a myth, but when it comes 447 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160 to the Heat, you just have to trust that they could probably pretty much 448 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,400 do anything much. Yeah, And looking at this off season, when I 449 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,319 do find so fascinating is the cap climate is just like there are maybe what 450 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,359 a half a dozen teams that might have like semi serious cap space and even 451 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,079 fewer than that that will actually have ready access to max space. Do you 452 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:34,960 think that that will increase the sign and trade or general trade markets in general 453 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:41,599 or will should we just maybe expect sort of a quiet, uneventful offseason at 454 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,720 this point where the NBA stands, I am no longer ever expecting a quiet 455 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,839 transaction window. So I do think there will be a lot of sign trades. 456 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,240 I think the draft will have plenty of trade opportunities. It's gonna be 457 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:00,400 I think the summer will be hectic. I do. I just to agree 458 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,680 with you because I feel like every year it's especially on the trade deadline. 459 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,519 Oh not much is going to happen at the trade deadline, and then all 460 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,359 hell just breaks loose. Yeah. I mean, last year we were saying 461 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:11,599 it was the Summer of sign and trade. It's a summer of sign and 462 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,200 trade, And now I think I think just every summer it's going to be 463 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,359 the summer of sign and trade, being that the league is just so centered 464 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,279 around stacking multiple superstars who make these gargantuan salaries and just limits a lot of 465 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,440 flexibility on the books. Jake, thank you so much for taking the time 466 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,359 to speak with me. You're able just to tell our listeners where they can 467 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,519 find you and all the great work that you do. Thank you man, 468 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,480 Thank you for having me. The book is still out there, Built to 469 00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,480 Lose, how the NBA's tanking are change the league forever. Please buy that 470 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:47,480 so I can make my advance back. And the podcast is coming out twice 471 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,240 a week on the calling app. Please don't aggregate this and yeah we're writing 472 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,640 up Leach to report once a week. So thank you again man for having 473 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,440 me and for giving the platforms alls and I echo the sentiments on the book. 474 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400 It's one of that I can't see if it's one of the three books 475 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,440 I have on my basketball A little thing right there. It was a great 476 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,279 book your information, I Leach for your articles. You were, you're you're 477 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,039 one of the best newsbreakers in the game right now. So thank you once 478 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,359 again for having the time, and I hope you allowed me to ask you 479 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:15,680 to come back on in the future. Sure. Thanks Jarn