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It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for
getting your pawn on. Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread
the word about the pirate ship. Steve Sercu in the house looking yarp is
always the circu blue. I love it. I love yes, it looks
good, looks good. Now. I was gonna ask, but you said
that you're going back to Florida. I'm gonna take a little break from work
next week and a half. Yeah, okay, because I I didn't know
if you were coming back for the eclipse. I'm going to miss that.
You're not. You don't care, you know you care. For three minutes,
I'll just close my eyes. Tell me what it's going to be.
I'll close my eyes at the beach for three minutes. It's a huge deal.
My mom is coming up from downstate to be here for the closing schools.
They just got a record. You can't go see your clients an email
at the jail. Now this is the thing. And now I'm so glad
you're here because we have a couple of people have emailed in questions or texting
questions, uh, law questions because I put it out that you're going to
be on and uh. But I did see where some inmates are filing a
lawsuit because they're saying that for religious reasons they should be allowed to be outside.
Because I think one was Muslim, and Mohammed's son died during an eclipse,
so this is a time for prayer and reflection. An atheist was told
that he could go, but then there was an edict that came down that
said between two and five no visitors and no yard time. Everybody has to
be in what they call holiday hours. I don't know what holiday holiday hours
do. They make everybody stay in in their stay their cells. Okay,
you put fifty seven inmates out of the yard and it goes totally dark,
You're going to have forty second up. The rest are still going to be
down. Well, I want to go what I was thinking in my head?
What could go wrong? What couldn't go wrong? I mean, there
could be a lot. When you go to jail, there are going to
be restrictions on many of your fundamental rights. So the idea that that's a
religious right or yeah, that's I think that's a ludicrous. Okay, because
the planets are six men various religious backgrounds incarcerated at woo Woodburn Correctional Facility,
once a Baptist, a Muslim, Seventh day Adventists, two practitioners of Santa
Ria, and as well as an atheist. And they say in their their
case, the solar eclipse is a rare natural phenomenon with great religious significance to
many, noting Bible passages, and on and on they go. And I
think that the whoever's in charge of the I guess he's the the acting commissioner
of the I don't know, jail departments or something, but he's In a
memo early March, he said that correctional facilities will operate on a holiday schedule
from two to five. Normally you're outside, you got to be in your
prison cell. Wow, so they're gonna go for seven there? Those seven?
I mean, can I mean, what do you draw the line?
Well, I don't know. We've got an eclipse. It's a harvest moon,
it's a quarter moon or snow moon. I mean, and how how
quickly could you have this lawsuit taken, looked at, appealed multiple times?
Probably if it doesn't go somebody's way. The eclipse is Monday, it's gonna
be over. I mean, those they would hear the initial here's quickly,
and then perhaps a quick appeal to the appellate court. But I mean,
look, I don't know that law. I don't practice that law, but
you would think that there would be some sort of reasonableness to request because I
know, I know we're talking about the Souldar Cliffs. But years ago there
were lawsuits saying that pornography was a religion and that the inmates wanted pornography and
if you denied them that, I mean, so you know, I mean,
man, what a great Yeah, now that happened once in a while.
I don't know, maybe it'd be a good thing. It might save
a few guys, save you guys from I mean, yeah, the the
visitors you would get pornography was a religion. But how about the person who
has to defend that. Oh yeah, because yeah, so with a straight
face, and they take that up they do, Yeah, God, God
bless them. Could you could you say I don't want to be on a
certain case if you worked for the A C. L U. I don't
know if you know that or not. I don't. I think that you
probably could if they're there were some religious some other constitutionally permissible reasons. But
other than that, I think no. I mean, they're generally true believers,
and that it's not it's the cause that they're fighting for. It could
be anything. It's anything government a government back. It's still in some ways
is true. Okay, but I think that's funny with the with the pornography
persons, that would be pretty good. If you do need help with a
defense attorney, you can always reach circul law by going to circul law dot
com or call five A five three eight five twenty five ten. Now,
we I did put out there that you're gonna be on and put a nice
picture of you up. I was in the courthouse today and I put a
picture of you up next to me and did all this. But I said
if you had any questions, So some questions did come in via text,
and we have a text line at five A five two six eighty eight sixty
six. Can I keep my kid? I don't know if this is one
you'll be able to answer. So a lot of these are just kind of
all over the place in terms of law. So I'm gonna have a disclaimer
right now, and that is whatever I give you is not act for a
legal advice, okay, is my opinion, but not as a lawyer necessarily.
Right, Well, I'll give you'll take care of it, Okay.
Can I keep my kids from controlling their entire inheritance at eighteen? Sure you
can, absolutely, And how would you go about doing that? So again,
not as that's not the area of law I practice, but that's a
curguates court matter. And you can establish trusts with in fact, I'm a
trustee for somebody who's who as child right now I think is twenty two,
and if they should pass, all the money will go into a trust and
then that child has to come see me and I have to approve any and
all expenses out of the trust and the true how long does that usually last?
This one's gonna last to the thirty three Okay, that's good. Yeah,
yeah, it gives you a chance to mature. I mean, man,
if someone died and I was twenty five and I got a whole shit
ton of money, it would be good off at the time I was twenty
five through same thing right now with my mother and the kids. Yeah,
we're gonna be putting trust together and all sorts of stuff, and they could
use it for certain things or certain things they can't use it for. They
can't use it for depreciating assets. They can't use it for this. They
can't use it for you know, pornhub subscriptions. I'm easily persuaded, though,
so the twenty two year old, you know, with the maybe a
new car. I'm not going to label what is the longest case, Steve.
It's worked my sisters and landlord and is being counter sued for trying to
evict a tenant who is not paid in months, actually for as long as
the case has been going on, which is currently eighteen months. Oh gosh,
that's a long time. I think that. When I was a prosecutor,
some of my murder investigations lasted a year, a year as it pertains
to the actual commission of the crime and then an ultimate verdict. Yeah,
about a year? About a year? That grinds you. Yeah, feel
bad for her sister. Yeah, I'll tell you what right now. I
mean, although, and I don't know what jurisdiction that is. You know,
I used to and when I was a young prosecutor in the misdemeanor courts,
that's we're often landlord tenant matters are handled, okay, And I would
see these landlords. I mean it would be they owe five six seventy eight
thousand dollars rent. This is back in the nineties, and the landlords would
just basically just start crying and say, listen, judge, I don't want
the money. I'll forgive them. I just want them out. Yeah,
And the judge like, oh, we're gonna let him stand in the thirty
days, and you know, you know that that's what gets lost all these
squatters that are going on. Yeah. See this this is with not being
able to not have to pack COVID did, but the squatting stuff is really
crazy. And I think there was just a case in I saw the press
release from the Gates PD just as the thing. Some guy had come across
the southern border. He was detained in twenty twenty three, but then let
go until his immigration hearing in twenty twenty five. Wow. I went,
oh my gosh, So somehow ends up here and finds a way to builk
a woman through her Netflix account to her bank accounts. Somehow connected it and
uh he called police and as police were arriving, they see this guy come
to collect the money. He would have some scam that he was doing,
and he was coming to collect the money. But I went, I didn't
know that an immigration hearing would be that backed up. Oh yeah, no,
I mean four years, sometimes longer than that. Yeah, And they
usually get phones from the government so they can make the calls and they can
track them. Yeah. Sure. So my brother in law was a US
district attorney in Denver for a number for a number of years and actually left
because there were threats against his family and he would go into the jail.
You get spin on and he's like, no, I'm not doing this.
I had a couple of those experiences, not as bad as that, but
the one I probably told you before, but I'll be brief. I was
once My life was once threatened. When I was a young prosecutor. I
was in No, I don't remember this. Oh yeah, I was in
city court and Judge Valentino Italian, half Italian, and there was a gentleman
who who was in custody for menacing that means he brandished a weapon long stray
short, he brandished a hammer, who was going to hit his mother.
So they bring the man out of custody. He's got the two jail deputies.
We go up to talk about the case with the judge and the guy
can hear me. He's four feet away from him, Like, Judge,
this guy, this guy, he took a hammer, he threatened his mother.
And Judge Valentino very calm, and I could see him getting as red
as your sweater. And he goes step back. So I stepped back and
he goes gives him like nine months in jail. So the defendants right next
to me. We stand right next to each other, and he says,
when I get out, I'm gonna come get you. So I told my
wife that story. She wouldn't perserk. You gotta quit, you can't do
this. But the asterisk to the story was I'm five eight, one hundred
and seventy five pounds. He was a jockey at finger Legs. He was
like five one he was so I just looked down and I go, you
might want to bring a few of your friends. And they whisked them away.
That's a true story. That's awesome. Somebody said, my mother had
a delivery person slip on ice in her front porch a few weeks ago.
Could she be sued for negligence? Absolutely a liability. Now, there are
a couple of issues. First of all, was she unnoticed? Should she
have known there was ice and somebody else slipped there before and she was aware
of it? I mean, premises liability generally means that the homeowner must have
some sort of notice or should have expected that to happen, And that happens
a lot commercial buildings too. Yeah, slip and fall, right, but
that's why that's why you see those yellow cones. Yes, warning, yep,
it's not because I mean, I'm sure the commercial business doesn't want you
to slip, but they also don't want to be sued for a million dollars.
And even if they're successful, the rates go up. Oh yeah,
yeah, I know. Wow. Okay. Uh. Somebody else did ask
what's the best thing for someone to do when being stopped for suspicion of DWI.
Do you blow? Do you not blow? What is the best advice?
I don't know. That is a two hour question. It is because
there's a lot of different variables. But I will tell you this is that
you're under no obligation to speak to the pabation, ask any or answer any
questions. I respect the police. I have many friends that are law enforcement.
My brother, my father, my grandfather DA is considered in some form
of law enforcement. But my advice to people, first of all, don't
do it just uber. Yes, don't drink and drive. It simple,
but you know that's not always feasible, and sometimes knights get away. But
quite frankly, when you get pulled over, I wouldn't answer any questions.
Expect them to take you from the vehicle, don't struggle with them. If
it does come down to a time where they ask you to submit to a
chemical test of your breath. We call it the lay people call it a
breath lieser. We call it a data master. If you don't submit to
it, and you refuse, then the government will in a civil actions for
a minimum of a year. Can't drive. There's a conditional license opportunity,
but that deals with the criminal case. But you know, a lot of
times, the worst, the toughest evidence I have to deal with is a
chemical test because that's going to spit out a number. Now, the science
isn't perfect, and the tests are not always conducted the way they should be,
and it could lead to spiked tests. So I generally tell people it's
your first defense, that you know your body better than anybody else. If
you think you're gonna blow bigger than a one to zero or a one to
one, I would simply refuse. But again, there are many different variables.
If you have priors, you could risk losing your license for life because
three strikes. You're out here in New York for the most part with that.
But it's a loaded question. I generally would say on a first defense,
refusal is more often than not the right way to go. It is,
but That doesn't mean that's appropriate for any particular case, but you can
avoid giving them more evidence in the form of a big BAC right, okay,
which is always something you don't want to do. And then there was
one more if you've been accused, because we say a lot of times your
ads, if you've been wrongly accused or accused of crime you didn't knowing we
commit. What would be the first thing to do and the only thing I'm
thinking, until I get to you or a lawyer, I would think the
right to remain silent on anything. So yeah, I mean, if we're
talking about if you've already been issued a citation, appearance, take at a
felony complaint, been arrested, you know, absolutely seek counsel, call me
and be happy to help you. The other thing is don't talk to people
about it, yeah, because everything that comes out of your mouth is what
we call an admission, right, and you don't you can't police, for
lack of a better term, or understand what your message is being perceived as
right, And so people hear things what they want to hear. And if
somebody committed a heinous crime or some crime and for some reason the police learned
of a witness who spoke to the alleged of the person who was arrested.
That person's perception of what you said could be mischaracterized. And then that person
comes into court says, we told me this, and the only way really
to refute it is if you testify. And that's not all. He's in
a client's best interest because that opens a door to a litany of areas of
cross examination by very skilled prosecutors. You don't want that I cross examined as
a prosecutor. Probably fifty client or fifty defendants and every one of them a
slave. That makes me nervous. I get I'm sweating just hearing that,
you know, I seriously, that would make me sweat. You don't want
to test the fight. Have you ever had to defend the charges we saw
today on the wanted list for Greece police, criminal obstruction of breathing. If
you had to defend choking, I have choking a bitch, Wow, I
would say criminal breathing. Yeah, that's what I would say. Is this
not like a ten second? Don't know what he's doing? All right?
Now? I went down to the courthouse. We ask people random, just
random questions. Things from thicker, thin crust, pizza, that kind of
thing. Out of that, you have to determine what are they doing at
the courthouse. So the first person that I talked to was a guy named
Oscar. Oscar was an online gamer and also as a nine to five.
Here is Oscar? Well, just to me, you're just your first name,
My first name is Oscar? Whatever one do you even use online?
What do you use online for? Carl ja Jay? Yeah? Uh?
What's heavier? Pound of bricks are? Pound of wicks? Bricks are heavier
than? Why will people be looking at the sky in Rochester on Monday because
it clips? How many stars around the American flag? Fifty two? Why
is p Diddy being investigator? All the controversy around it? Yeah, I
couldn't really. I can't really answer that question because all the controversy. Yeah,
there's a lot of Yeah, I don't I don't really know if I
know. And uh, what do you prefer thin or thick crusts? Thick
crust? Thick crust? Final question, what are you doing at the courthouse?
So what do you think Oscar? Who thinks there's fifty two stars on
the American flag? Uh? Is doing it? The at the courthouse.
I'm gonna say, is going on jury duty? Jerry, and I would
pick a thousand Yes, I'm going I would. I would love a thousand
oscars, two stars, love it. I'm going weapons charger, weapons charge
with the call of duty. Well, here we go. What I'm doing
down at the courthouse is not even to make a court visit. I just
came down to visit my baby brother at the county gym. She's in the
county jail. Yeah, you have a hid, yes, I do you
have a four year old voter Friday? Way? Do you have a four
year old daughter and the daughter's mom's in jail? Yes? How long is
she in for? It should be released May third? Okay, So she
was doing and have a party. So there you go. All right,
there's Oscar. Oscar was his baby mom was in jail, and so he
went to visit her. The jail visit was a little bit of a curve
ball because you said, yes, I did, I did, I did
that. That would be my second But that is actually an unfair question.
Is I think we could we could object to that question. Lawyer just got
lawyered because Oscar, by the way, she I didn't I didn't want to
get into anybody. But I think he would have opened up, but I
didn't want to. I didn't want to ask too much. I wouldn't talk
to you. He said that. He uh he she was a probation violation
of some kind, was obstructing his breathing. I don't know what she was
doing. All right, here's one more I got you, Scatina. This
is Skatina. Uh. What's heavier? Pound of bricks or pound of feathers?
They both made the same How excited are you for Monday? For what's
happening in the sky. I'm excited to see it. But everybody keeps making,
you know, a big deal about it, and so you know,
you never know what's going to happen. It's a weird, a little eerie
feeling about it, but that's true. It is. Yeah, I didn't.
I hope I don't get a feeling about it. How many stars are
on the American Flat fifty fifty two? Do you know why fifty? She
did? He is being investigative, He's an idiot. There's a lot of
stories. I really just don't follow it. I just know, you know,
maybe it has something to do with the Tupac and Biggie situation. No
uh thin or thick crush pizza thick and what are you doing at the courthouse?
All right? Now, she was there. She seems very nice.
She's kind of got it on the ball. She knew a pound, but
she didn't know fifty two stars, but to know what the other two are.
But you know, we got to figure that out. Yes, they
were missing something. I think Skatina is down there supporting a friend who has
a case. Okay, all right. I think she could be at an
interview, a clerk of some sort of look for somebody down there. All
right, my grandson, I got to say, you're pretty close on that.
That was really close. I mean, that's definitely support of some guy.
I think you should get that, grandson. That's outstanding. That is
outstanding. Well, you know, those are such emotional things. I would
think, you know, going through there, you see some people. I
mean, there was a guy just melting down, Josh yelling into his phone
the whole way, like all the way, alcohol down the stairs, back
out out that atrium. One last one, Now, this one is interesting
because at the end when he says what he did, I'll have questions for
you, Steve, what's heavier pound of bricks or cound of feathers? Found
bricks? Why would people in Rochester be looking at the sky on Monday.
I don't know, solar eclips? How many stars? Fifty? You got
that right? The investigator over over some house party or whatever he had going
on. Sex traffick ain, what is your favorite sexual position? Favorite sexual
position? Had to throw them across missionary missionary? And final question, what
you're doing at the courthouse? All right, what is he doing at the
courthouse? Interesting guy? M hm m m the fifty stars at the fifty
stars. Didn't know the heavier you know, I'm a missionary guy. Embarrassed
to tell you. Yeah, my first that was of course, it was
the bricks that I took that I had to think about it. That's somebody
else, somebody else who might may have vice president in the title of their
job. Hit me up today, goes, Maybe you got me on that
one because I put it out as a tease with the people that go I
was, I was, I had to stop for sex, wasn't it?
Uh? Well, what is he doing there? He said, kind of
kind of gave a little slip about what he did. Yes, only because
of that. I'm going to segue that he was a person appearing in the
court as a defendant, and I'm gonna say the young man, damn,
that is good. I'm gonna say that he had some sort of appearance on
a larseny charge. Not nothing too serious, no violence, just down there,
maybe ran afoul. That's what I'm gonna say. Okay, I'm saying
appearance too, but I'm thinking more of like a d w I type thing
because he hasn't driven, hasn't seen the nine hundred signs on the through.
That's true. That's true. Okay, here we go. Well, I'm
coming because I got three got three home cases open because I was riding their
bike in the street and I couldn't do that, So now I got to
come to court. They got three cases of cases. Take the ticket it
three times because of the ass meant I wasn't trying to let them comes on
me. Okay, all right, well, good luck with all that.
So you're right because it was sort of a minor infraction. That was a
good man. That is incredible. I'm very impressed. Actually I don't know
why, but I am. Because people go all over the board on this
game when we do it. But yeah, he was just riding dirt bikes,
which we know is you know, the unlicensed bikes on the roads and
how dangerous that can be. But someone something minor compared to some of the
other ship that goes out in the city. And uh yeah, but he
resistant, so that the resisting So the what happens there, so when the
police are authorized to arrest you, and that's not proof going to be as
well, just the reasona believe you did something wrong. If you physically resist,
that's obviously called resisting arrest, but if you interfere with that and otherwise
like run things like that, not only resisting arrest, it can be something
called obstructing governmental administration. Those are misdemeanors. So you know, the ATV
riding is probably just a violation of of the law and maybe just a municipal
law. But once there's some resisting that that leads to become misdemeanor charges.
Got you, Yeah, yeah, it sounds stubborn. Three of them.
Geez, yeah, maybe the first time, Hey buddy, you shouldn't drive
like this. I did. I couldn't tell if it was all three from
one incident where he well, I don't know it was the harassment, the
loud noise something with the police. Yeah, yeah, the police sometimes the
police something. They're very reasonable. Yeah, and if it's nothing too serious.
And the resisting I've seen them do harassment. If you push the police
officer that's still obstructing our administration, still resisting arrest, but rather than bang
you with just to me, we'll charge you with harassment. Okay, So
that's a almost like it's almost a kinder. Absolutely. Look, I've watched
I can't tell you the body one cameras that we get to see now are
amazing. And I've watched thousands of interactions and I got to say ninety nine
point five percent of them, if not more. My experience has been the
police have been at the very least professional and more often than not very polite.
Yeah and nice, and I mean especially I do a lot of intoxicated
drivers and people get arrested or in tusking and the things they too were say
I'm crawling at it, I want to get at the guy, and these
officers just smile and uh and just just handle the situation as in a professional
man, which is very good, Which is very good. We will take
a moment. I don't know. If you want to stick around, we
will have from the athletic Tim Graham talking about the sort of a shocking trade
I'll call it today. I mean a surprise, right for sure? No
one saw this coming, is I think back in February, Brandon being the
GM for the Buffalo Bills, was talking about Stefan Diggs being their number one
receiver for the twenty twenty four season. That will not be the case.
And what has happened to their offense now because they don't have anybody? And
how quickly can you bring a rookie along? And is there enough even cap
space to get somebody with a little veteran experience And I gotta try to figure.
I'm going to look up and see who they have out there in the
free agent Yeah cool, Because you're right, wide receivers routinely do not make
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of them. Yeah, they have West Virginia and Zay Jones. I mean,
ye didn't work. It didn't work? About it? No, I
think it's with the Jags, right, yeah, there, all right,
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the Buffalo Bills. Tim Gram is one of my favorite sports journalists. He
writes for The Athletic. He's written for the Buffalo News ESPN dot com.
If you subscribe to The Athletic, and you should, you can go back
and read his article and interview with OJ. It was one of my It
was just a great read, and I think you'll really like it. Tim,
how are you. I'm doing great, And thank you for remembering me
as being connected to OJ, which is what I would expect. Actually,
you know, when I landed the first interview with OJ for the Buffalo News,
and I think it was the first interview he'd done in fifteen years,
and it was absolutely the first interview he did after being released from prison.
I knew that it was probably one of those things that I will be remembered
for. So it's the bet I made well and I didn't think it was
bad when I read it. It was. I thought it was really well
done because you walked, Oh, I don't think it was bad. I
don't think it was bad either. I mean, I'll defend it. The
decision. It was incredibly newsworthy. But oj is just such. It has
such an his own gravitational pull that and it was its own. It was
a whole thing, you know. I had to defend it and I had
to rationalize it. And the second time I wrote about Ojay, I did
not look at the comments once I posted the story and then you guys have
at it. It was kind of my attitude. Well, but here's the
thing. Anytime that guy shows up in Buffalo, tim it's like there's a
parade for him. People are cheering and hugging him and taking pictures with him.
And even in the article, if I recall, he said to you,
I think a lot of people would love to have my life. That
was Yeah, that was the That was the one in the Athletic. That's
right. We did it over by the way I'm derailed already, but I
love this conversation. But we sat down at breakfast and he'd been out the
night before because it was the day or it was the weekend of his seventieth
birthday, so he had had a part. And I'm interviewing him and he's
not hungover or anything, but he did have I think he'd had a few
drinks the night before. So he decides that at breakfast he's going to have
a bloody Mary. And I'm thinking to myself, how could I couldn't have
keyed this up any better? And then so I think the lead to my
story was something like, you know he was he was well into his second
or third bloody Mary when he started when he started contemplating, you know how
he'll be remembered, and it went from there. Yeah, it's got to
be almost surreal to watch people around. Like I've always said, I'm very
torn about OJ because I am guilty of playing a lot of watch your words
there. But his tweets when he goes out, he goes hello Twitter,
Will I'll play that because I do find first of all, when he's talking
football stuff, it's very knowledgeable that that is you can't dispute that he knows
his football, and I have had I've had conversations with him, and I've
also been in conversations where I've maybe not been a participant in the conversation,
but I'm listening and it is and it's not just what he's seeing. He'll
say something and then a week later or a two weeks or two weeks later,
you're watching the games, and sure enough it's happening. Yeah, he's,
he's he's not just just because he played in the in the double bar
face mask era, a lot of guys lose touch for some reason. He
sees the game. Uh. Now that's not to say that, you know,
you want to start a podcast with it. I don't, but you're
right, he's or me for that matter, which I may or may not
have been offered the opportunity, but well, whoa, you were offered opportunity
to do an OJ podcast. I was years ago. Yeah, I've never
I've never publicly said that, but it is true. Well, and there's
very comfortable with you. Well he did, and that's you know, it's
an interesting it's an interesting thing because it's complicated. But as a journalist,
I take that as an honor, not OJ Simpson or anyone, whether it
would be the President of the United States. But after the first interview,
which is how I got the second interview, and I think I've probably interviewed
him six or seven times since then, is that he felt that I treated
him fairly, uh, and that I earned his trust and so not well
for whatever that means. But that's my job as a journalist, is to
be a listener and to be a conduit and to be able to fairly portray
things. And I'd never pulled up pulled punches. I mean, I wrote
about what he was accused of, the brutality of it. I've interviewed other
people who've said, you know, this guy definitely did it, and how
could you, you know, split your wife's throat, and you know I
didn't. I don't ignore anything. And then to have him, you know,
a two days later, maybe through his manager, I hear, yeah,
OJ thought you treated him pretty fairly. I'm like, okay, yeah,
yeah, I always he's got the same impression, though it was very
just matter if these are the facts, right, these are the facts of
what we know. And that was that, and it's newsworthy whenever somebody with
that type of complicated legacy, whether you love him or hate him, and
probably more people hate him than love him, but it's still fascinating and I
think worthwhile to find out what people like this think. Yes, you don't
have to. I'm not promoting it. I'm not. I'm not saying or
advocating, but it's like, hey, this is what one of the more
diabolical, most infamous people on the planet thinks, and maybe we can learn
something about the human condition and shake our heads and roll our eyes or whatever
you think. But anyways, I had no idea we were going to talk
about ot right, and I can talk about you for the talk about him
for the whole segment, you know, like Tim is also I'm pretty sure
you cover boxing for a number of years. Are you in the Boxing Writers
Association or something you were? I used to be the president the president.
So did you ever sit with Tyson? Because I had an interview with Tyson,
who would be also somebody that people may refer to as diabolical, and
I'm just curious if you ever talked I loved talking to Tyson. I've spoken
to him many times, but I have not had an Muhammad Ali also even
you know, I've been uh, you know, I've had an audience with
Muhammad Ali a couple of times. You don't at the time, you didn't
necessarily have a conversation with him, although there was give and take. But
but with Tyson and Ali both always other people around, you know, too
many other people around for me to say I interviewed him or we had a
meaningful connection like I have had with you know, the other the other guys
of that post prison era, like yeah, de la Joya and Lennox Lewis
and and those guys. Yeah, very interesting, all right. So the
real reason that I bothered you today was this trade that was announced where the
Bills agreed to send Stefan Diggs to the Texans for a twenty twenty five second
round pick, while also sending a twenty twenty five fifth round pick to the
Texans and a twenty twenty four to sixth round pick. Now, from a
roster standpoint, it leaves the Bills pretty thin at wide receiver. To say
the least Diggs was there, I would I think you could call them their
rocket number one for the last four seasons. And from a cap perspective,
I think at tacks on an additional four million onto to the twenty eight million
salary cap already. So the question I keep scratching my head and other people.
We had an attorney in here for the last segment who said, I
don't understand why now, why now trade Digs? Well, I think it
was because the Houston Texans were making an offer that the Bills thought they could
not replicate at the end of another season. And you know, second round
pick, even though it is a twenty twenty five second round pick, which
dilutes the value of it. Of course, you know, a twenty twenty
or a second round pick in twenty twenty four here in three weeks or whenever
the draft is has way more value because of the immediacy of it, the
things you can do with it. It's a player, it's a player who
will be on your roster this year. You don't have to wait, you
know, sixteen months before you see this guy play a game. So there's
that part of it. There was a timing thing in the Bills. They're
seeing a player in decline. This is a declining asset. From a purely
business standpoint. I know it's difficult or maybe you're not supposed to talk about
human beings necessarily, you know, as lines on a spreadsheet. But you
know, maybe in sports more than anything else, you can actually do it
because well, open any stat packet or a you know, a website like
Pro Football Reference, and they all are exactly that. You can take a
look at it. But even with your naked eye as a Bills fan,
second half the last season, he was just not quite invisible, but clearly
not the player that he had been. At the beginning of the season.
He was a mushroom cloud. When the season began, he was all galaxy,
he was, and then about halfway through the season the production just dropped
off and the Bills said he wasn't hurt. He never appeared on the injury
report. You know, he was playing sometimes less snaps in a game than
Trent Sherfield. But the Bills were winning. They won without him. They
went six and one down the home stretch, and so I think they saw,
like I said, a declining asset that they can win in spite of,
and so why not move from him? And really it's a combo,
though, Bill, It's not just the decline, the declining asset part.
It is all the little microaggressions that happened with Stefon Diggs, the tweets from
not only him but his brother that take shots at Buffalo, that take shots
at Josh Allen, the sideline blow ups that happen on occasion, and you're
willing to put up with that when Stefan Diggs is an all Pro caliber player,
but when he is catching three passes for thirty eight yards or dropping a
pinpoint bomb from fifty five yards away, when it matters the most. I
think the Bills can get to a point where, you know what, that
second round pick sounds pretty good. Let's just go ahead and take it.
Move on. We're going to eat this thirty one million dollar cap hit,
which I think really illustrates how willing they were to move on from Stefan Diggs.
I think that they were just tired of the act and they were tired
of just the little things, the drama. And as a fan, you
can look behind, you can look past it, you can rationalize it,
but you also get to unplug from it from usually six days a week and
tune in the game watch Stefon Diggs perform. But throughout the course of the
week and especially during the off seasons, we still don't know what the big
blow up was last year between me and the organization, in which Sean McDermott
said he was very concerned that Stefan Diggs wasn't there for the first day of
mandatory mini camp, or I should say it not on the field anyway.
There are a lot of things that we still just don't know the answers to.
And I think the Bills were just tired of trying to come up with
excuses and come up with reasons that this is just, you know, a
guy being competitive and wants to win so badly. And I think here's another
thing of rambling now because hell, it's all fresh in my mind. But
during the season, or heading into the regular season finale against the Dolphins,
I interviewed Devin mccorty, who's an analyst for NBC Sports. The game was
going to be on NBC Sports. Devin McCarty's the former safety of the New
England Patriots, won three Super Bowls and a great player, good guy.
There's another guy in here who's a fan of the Patriots, just to let
you know, but yeah, again, fantastic player. And he said,
and the point was, he said he thinks after watching the film, and
it's an educated guy who breaks down receiver play for his career and played against
had he game plans, specifically against Stefan Diggs a number of times while playing
for the New England Patriots. He was watching the film of the Bills in
the second half of the season and said, and I quoted him, he
said it on the record, this looks like a team with a serious issue
in which they're trying to and I'm paraphrasing, but said they they look like
are trying to prove that they can they can win without it. They were
trying. The Bills are actively telling Stefan Diggs during the season last year,
go ahead and be Stefan Diggs. You be you, but we're going to
do things differently and we don't need you. And sure enough, they went
six and one or seven and two if you want to include the playoffs,
and you could say, yeah, but boy, seven and two in the
playoffs, they didn't win that Super Bowl. Well, they sure gave him
an opportunity to help out in that game against the Chiefs. And not only
do we have that drop at the end first two snaps of the game where
Stefan Digs fumble on the first play and a drop on the second play.
I think the Bills are just fed up. Has Diggs or Alan, either
one of them got on Twitter yet to acknowledge the trade. I know they
hadn't as an earlier this afternoon. You know, I don't believe so.
And I just left the facility about forty five minutes ago, and I've been
so maybe within the you know, the past a little bit, it's happened.
You know, Josh Allen isn't much of a social media guy. Maybe
he would take the social media in this instance. But Stefan Diggs, you
know, just last night, he was tweeting a shot at Josh Allen,
you know, a passive aggressive response to a fan who was saying, which
I think it's accurate, the Bill Josh Allen doesn't need a top tier wide
receiver to be a successful quarterback, meaning it's not it wasn't mandatory or necessary
that Josh Allen can do well. Uh And actually I think the Bills prove
that at the end of last season. Yeah, but Stefan Diggs replied to
this random fan, are you sure? And and when I saw that,
I started writing, because you know, so people may wonder Gee, Tim,
how did you get your column out so fast? Yeah? After the
Bills announced that trade. And it's not to say that it was just that
one thing. Yeah, but based on what I had been hearing, I
thought, this is a guy who knows he's done. You know, you
don't take shots at the franchise quarterback unless you know it's over. God,
I have I have so many questions I have so I could talk to you
forever, because I just real quick the we can get to a player's pocket
now with social media, and I've always thought that this would be a real
problem for some guys who are super competitive and very protective and just take it
so personally right. This is their identity, this is what they've done since
they were six, seven, eight years old, and they are the best
in the world at it. And you the you know, the guy with
the the garbage plate stains down his front. Shir are gonna tell me?
You know what I'm saying. I mean somethings of the guys, Yeah,
they're well right, you could write what's your name? That was? That's
Mary de Verlander? Was he what he was doing? Was? I guess
he was? I don't think he was obviously Stefan Digs felt insulted, but
I think the guys. What the guy was trying to do is say,
Josh Allen's so good. Yes, and he is because he can run the
ball, because he can do all these things. He made Khalil Shakir work
as a second year receiver, he made Dalton Kincaid work as a rookie tight
end. He makes things happen, and he clearly did not need Steffan because
they won in spite of him, well without him as a superstar talent.
And so this fan was accurate. Yeah, you've changed my perspective on the
twenty twenty four season because a lot of things that I am reading is this
has decimated the offense. And I would say that I feel like Stefan Diggs
can be given some credit for helping Josh find himself at the NFL level.
But Josh has gone on to be able to do all the things that we've
seen. Right, it's clearly one of the top two, if not top
or top three, if not top two quarterbacks in the NFL. Right.
Yeah, it's not like filling out your fantasy lineup and just adding up the
stats. You know, there are people who are going to take over.
Who are going to fill this vacuum. There are players like Shakir who started
out the first half of the season playing twenty percent of the snaps. Now
by the end of the season he was playing eighty But so get a full
season of Khalil Shakir playing eighty percent of the snaps, Curtis Samuel joining the
team, whatever they do in the draft, Dalton Kin Kate is an extra
year more experienced. I'm not saying that it's going to be perfectly fine,
but I think that a lot of the that the void will be filled.
I mean that the vacuum will just you know, stuff's going to happen.
People are going to get the ball. But yeah, it's uh, it's
interesting. Uh, it's interesting to think about the team without Stefan Diggs,
who, as you mentioned, his greatness cannot be understated for the four years
that he was great. And I think that even though the Bills have two
receivers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Andre Reid and James Lofton,
and you can name other receivers like Eric Moles and Elbert k Benyon and uh
and even Stevie Johnson and Lee Evans I mean there are they've had Frank Lewis.
I mean, they've had guys with great seasons. You can argue,
and I think you'd have a strong case to say that Stefan Diggs is the
greatest receiver in Bill's history, longevity notwithstanding, you know, the four years,
but what he did in those four years was better than any other Bills
receiver has done in his four years. Uh, in any four years.
Uh. It'd be interesting actually to see and maybe I'll maybe it's a good
piece if you were to even take any any of Andre Reid's four best years
and stack him up against Stefan Diggs is four consecutive years or his entire career,
and it might be tough. It might be tough for Andre Reek.
Uh. Again, I'm doing it off the top of my head. He's
a great He's great. And there's not going to be a wall. The
Hall of Fame will not exist in the new stadium. They're going to remove
it. They're going to have something out in the in a plazasy. But
get that, you know what, and that's that we've come full circle.
You're exactly right, it's exactly where. But were whatever they do that replaces
this wall of fame, Stefan Diggs will be in at something and yeah,
and he and he helped the Bills go from perennial laughing stock to perennial Super
Bowl contender. Absolutely, and I think he really did help. Josh.
I would say, find your voice is something that's often said. I don't
think it's the same thing, but find your I don't know your arm,
your your style in the NFL and what's going to work? And boy,
you know, with a guy with that strong an arm and everybody's saying accuracy
problems when he came into the NFL, and once Stefan joined the team,
that seemed to all go away, or at least that talk seemed to be
less and less. Yeah, I did a piece. I wish I had
it in front of me. I could probably rattle off some better stats for
you. But during Stefan Diggs's dip at the end of last season, not
only was he producing less, he was being thrown to. He wasn't running
deeper routes anymore. Everything was close to the Lion of Screw image, so
they could try to get him more involved more quickly. I don't know if
that was because like you say, he wasn't injured. And with the way
that the NFL legislates its injury reports now due to gambling concerns, the Bills
wouldn't just not put Stefon Diggs on an injury report like they might have in
the past because it's nobody said. They might think, well, it's nobody's
business. We don't want people to know that he's got a bad hamstring or
whatever. But with gambling the way it is, and the and the punishments
that teams are levied through fines uh and whatever else. Uh, they they
they are diligent in putting everything on the on the injury report these days.
He never appeared on the injury report, so I believe all that that he
was not hurt, but it seemed like they were dealing with the player who
had lost a step. Almost overnight, he went from like we said,
all world, all galaxy to just another guy uh in uh in a.
You can take a look. It's almost exactly halfway through the season. It
just went away. It's fascinating, it is, Tim. I I really
appreciate your time. I don't want to take up any more time, but
I'd love to have you back. On if you're ever in Rochester in the
studio, I think it'd be fun. I would enjoy that very much.
I don't get to Rochester a bunch, but over the phone until we get
to training camp, and whenever, or maybe i'm passing through, I'll give
your heads up. Yeah, I would love that because there's so many things,
because i'd love to hear about your boxing side of things. I on
the exercise. I don't want to overstate what I do, but on the
exercise and on the exercise, I struct boxing and I love it. I
love it as a sport and it hurts some times to see where the sport's
at these days. Well, I don't watch it anymore because of that.
But I think that that is that is a topic in and of itself that
I can speak on. But I don't know the guys anymore. And I
did story, and I mean, I know you need to move on to
other things too, But years ago, heading into the Mayweather Paquiow fight,
I did a story for the Buffalo News in which the theme was this is
the last great fight for America. And I granted Paquiao is not an American
fighter, but I was saying this is going to be the last fight that
matters to the American audience. I got to tell you. I remember I
went, I sought out a restaurant and we went down to a private room
with a bunch of people, and I remember watching that and just thinking,
I think it held up to be true, that it got irrelevant. But
I stopped through. I did a tour. I went around the country to
some hot spots and talked to people, and I went to Philly, and
on my way to Philly, I stopped in Easton to interview Larry Holmes,
and we sat in his office, his business office, and we went down
the list of the top fifteen WBC which was which was the title that he
held and at the time was considered be the most prominent of the major world
heavyweight title belts OLLI had it, and he could. He recognized I think
two of the fifteen names, and this is Larry Holmes, let alone Joe
Schmoe. I went to the Rocky Statue and there was a busload of kids
from Kentucky on a school field trip. They were eighth and ninth graders.
You know this should be you know, future sports fans and whatever. And
I asked them who the heavyweight champ? They're all posing at the Rocky Statue.
They knew what the Rocky Statue was and that it was famous and that
it was iconic, and so I asked them who. I got them all
together with their teacher's permission. I said, okay, everybody who can tell
me who the heavyweight champion was? And one kid was like, I don't
know Floyd Mayweather. And it's like, nope, obviously not all the teachers
they got the adult nobody knew it was. Yeah, nobody knows anymore.
And that's the champion is. I don't either, Oh, Tyson Fury.
I'm getting it is Fury, But uh, you're right because there's no names,
and and I don't know about Buffalo so much. But Rochester had,
you know, Carmen Basilio, great history, great history in Rochester, great
history. And for a while Big Baby was training here, he was supposed
to be somebody who was going to go for the title fight. And I
don't know what ever happened to that guy. Seem Rock Mount of Fordeve Melton
as a as a manager is great. The bank with it you guys used
to put on every year was was just fabulous you'd get you know, one
of the majors, you know, Bernard Hopkins and you know whomever, Lennox
Lou I mean, you were Hall of famers were coming in. Of course
Canistoa being close, but anyway, yeah, yeah, I'm always envious of
Rochester's boxing. Did you pick the Tyson Jake Paul fight? Jake Paul?
I think Jake Paul is going to kick his at really? Uh? Yes,
and no, I do what I absolutely do. I'm watching. I'll
tell you why. I'll tell you why. It's because I saw Mike Tyson
at the in Louisville lose to Corey Sanders. This a long long time ago.
I saw this. He was shot then that was heck. I'm trying
to remember fifteen twenty years ago, probably fifteen years ago. I mean,
you have to look it up. But when he fought in Louisville. I
saw that fight, and this was a guy who was shot and he's a
lot older. Now he hasn't been training. He presumably was training for that
fight, and now he's up against the guy who's younger. I think this
is my prediction. We can revisit. I think Mike Tyson will I think
it's going to be an embarrassing day for Mike tysonbox. I hope you're wrong.
I've been watching and I don't know where they're going if I'm wrong to
Yeah, I'm sarge, but I don't think it's gonna happ I said,
not just get out. I watched the little clips of Tyson training and the
granted, I mean, Tim, there are two minutes maybe less, but
it looks fierce. I mean he's practicing also. But I've also heard that
those are old clips. Well they could be. They very well could be.
I was just thinking that as you were saying what you were saying,
because I thought and the other thing is they're a clip. Anybody can look
great and you know, giving a quick combo with no real resistance. It's
just a guy with the body armor and the and the mints, so there's
nothing coming at you really like bell on a Monday. Yeah, that's exactly
right. Well, I had a lot of fun with this. I'm sorry,
I we I derailed it twice in the beginning. It's been a pleasure.
I always enjoy talking to you, so thank you and love to do
it again anytime. Bill. All right, thank you, Tim. Tim
Graham from the Athletic. Make sure you subscribe to the Athletic. And I'm
sure that, But that's interesting that he picked up on that tweet. I
wanted to ask him, though, I'm sorry, with the ring of fame
being gone, if there's any true to the rumor that the in house drunk
tank at the new stadium was gonna be the O. J. Simpson room
that could plaque that would be very funny. Uh, we're gonna take a
moment when we come back. Uh. There was somebody we talked about in
a previous episode, and we had reached out to this person. Then we
tried to talk and today, like just this evening, just as I sat
down here, I got a heart emoji. Yes, and I've been going
back and forth. We will Uh, yeah, I gotta see you if
I still have this person's number. But the uh, we'll give you.
We'll get you caught up on the whole story, and we'll see if we
can try to persuade the person to come on with us. Uh, but
it probably wouldn't be in their best interest to do that, but we'll see
if we can do it anyway. We'll get to all that next, but
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know this just reminds me because I'm looking at the video of this song and
we're gonna talk about Alison Shardon. And if you don't remember Alison Shardon,
we will certainly he will certainly get you caught up. But I went to
the gym this morning and I was winding down my workout and I'm over on
the side and I'm on these pads doing an ab thing because I got flabs,
not abs in my life. And this woman comes walking out and she
had to be I'm gonna say, on the young end, seventy two.
But she was in a tennis skirt and had long gray hair, and she
you could tell at some point in her life she either was hot or certainly
thought of herself as hot. And she didn't look bad. I mean,
for the age, she looked pretty good. She looked like she tanned,
but no. What I observed though, was a white haired guy who keeps
the tips of his mustache rolled up in wax. At the end, okay,
I was like a friend of mine. He comes walking by, older
guy. He's got to be her age. She's on a treadmill. Just
take it walking. And I, of course, I don't know why I
hate it, because I notice all this shit, like I notice a lot
of things. And when I don't notice things then and somebody goes hated to
see that and I missed it. It bothers me because I usually notice everything.
And I'm watching this and he stops, turns around and kind of does
something with his phone, goes back it's drink water comes back like this,
back and forth, and I think she picked up on it. And I
saw her starting to smile a little bit because he certainly picture I know.
No, I don't think he was trying to take a picture. I think
he was trying to see if there was he could get her attention in some
way. I think it's one of these things where well, granted at that
age, maybe, but it's also the the uh body language, right,
you know when someone is going to be receptive and probably when they're not.
We all know what's a good gamble and a bad gamble in terms of that
thing. And I think a heart attack that would be terrible. That would
be absolutely Would you ever try to shoot your shot again if that happened,
Uh, just retire? If that if if if I attack had a heart
attack on the spot, no, I think that I was the fucking man.
I would think that you gotta fluttering soul, got it. I'm like,
I got your heart rate up, baby. That's so what I would
think, which is awful, But it would it would make me feel pretty
damn good about myself, which is terrible. Alison Shardan was the mom that
was in a Minnesota hotel and allegedly on a staycation with her family when some
kids from Colorado had a top hockey tournament in Minnesota. They were staying at
the same hotel. Something happened and transpired down in the hot tub, and
then later on she came to the room and allegedly, according to reports,
had sex with two of them while the third one in the room just observed.
They were, as we like to call it on the Billified show,
helming it, hilmeining it, soldering, soultering on, hilmaning, and soltering
on. So Alison Shardon, we had all taken various shots at trying to
contact her. I think I had called her and I have found the number,
but you all of a sudden, Kevin comes in today and he goes,
I've got a bunch of different feelers out for different people, for mystery
guests. So when the messager goes off, I'm like, oh, let's
see, and it was just a heart emoji. Yeah. Kevin goes,
all of a sudden, I'm here and he starts laughing. I go,
what's so funny? He goes, I just got a heart. I go
what And then he said, Alison Shardon just now was responding to whatever message
you sent her back on February fifth. Yeah, just we want you to
come on tell your side of the story. And here's my number, here's
my email address if you're interested. What did and we we just I got
the heart emogia and then I I was like, would you taking a shot?
Would you be interested in coming on the show tonight? And she said,
definitely want to tell my side badly, but I'm sure my lawyer won't
approve. Mister Shirke agreed with that statement very very whole hardly. But you
guys definitely now that on ahead when you said things don't totally add up.
First of all, no one had sex, and they were highly willing before
and during the interaction, So I don't that kind of yeah, well,
I mean it could be making out feeling, coping and feel as they used
to call it, petting. So then if something changed overnight, clearly yeah,
And then I asked again, you know, would you like to be
on the show. We'd love to have you, especially me as a hockey
parent. I know hockey tournament playing to her strengths, and I know what
can go on. She says, I'll think about it. I think it's
hilarious that you called my work the hand like a boss, So I question
this is oh you listen, Yeah, she said, My coworkers said management
never said a word, so apparently she just figured that out on her own.
But she said she's read and listened to everything and every comment. She's
kind of petty like that. So I just threw back in her said,
Hey, if you're interested, this is when we typically tape. You know,
Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need anything, and please keep
listening. We are entertaining as healthy. You've reached this cell zone of Alison
Starden. Oh please leave your name, number and a brief staff and I
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how many people sing that song to you? And do you even know what
Kevin? I do not? Yeah, it is Uh, it is one
of my favorites. John Hyatt, it is not. But we will bump
with it and then we'll tell you more about the song. Allison, it's
bilified the podcast. Uh, we would love to have you on because I
clearly think there's more to this story than than we were told and I know
you've contacted Kevin through social media, so I would love to just talk to
you about facts. We don't even have to get into the case, but
things that have happened to you since then, things that have been said about
you behind your back, what's happening with your family, your kids, all
those kinds of things. I just think it's very, very interesting, and
if you have time, we will be kind. I think you know that
already and we would love to talk to you. I hope you're doing well.
Bye bye, listen there you go with you. It's a song.
It's just a song speaking of that something interesting that I will ask you and
I because I never had this, never had this, I've never had got
ready there Life three sixty or any kind of tracking device with your family.
Well, my wife does use it for the boys. Okay, she bitches
that I don't accept the Ah, I fucking but love it is. I
will go either out with her, yes, or she knows where I'm going
to be, Okay, right, Okay, So I never had it.
I think we I don't know that Life three sixty might have been available until
the boys were older, the older guys, certainly for Jamison, but I
think that we there was some kind of Verizon thing where you could track them
through Verizon. Yes, so there was that. I don't know if it
was on my phone or not. I never really cared enough. But I'm
checking our text messages, which I've been a little bit negligent on at five
A five two of sixty eighty eight sixty six, and there was one there
Hate Billifi Crew question. I'm a divorce mom of two teenage girls. We
all follow each other on Life three sixty, so you can get an invite
to Life three sixty Kevin, Yeah, okay. I started dating a guy
recently and suggested we follow each other on Life three sixty. He said no,
he doesn't want to be followed by me. I then found out he
follows his kids but will not allow them to follow him. Is that possible?
Yeah, okay. I find the whole situation sketchy or am I overthinking
it? So? I was like if someone I was dating all of a
sudden said to me, hey a Life three sixty, I would find that
in someone invasive. Now I know people who do this, and I know
a story recently. Also, the same people that share a Facebook account probably
too right when those aren't. I don't know, Tim Smith on Facebook,
I don't know, but I will tell you this. So recently I was
talking to a relative and they went out to eat, and one with somebody,
and one place was too slow, so they laughed. They waited there.
They were there for twenty minutes or so, and they left and they
went to another restaurant. And when they got home, the wife asked,
how was dinner, and they said, ah, you know, they gave
it. And then why did you leave? Such and such a place never
had come up but other than she could see it on the phone, And
I go, I don't. I mean, I guess we shouldn't be bothered
by it, but boy, that would bother me. And I can't even
I can't express why, because I think if someone came to me with an
argument and goes, well, you weren't doing anything, so what's the big
deal? And I go, it's not that it's a big deal. But
what happened to the days where I could just disappear into a happy hour to
blow off a little steam And I come home and yeah, you can tell
me this is a lie? And I'm not married anymore, And maybe this
is part of the reason but I would basically go, I guess stuck could
work. I would be home maybe a half hour later than normal, right,
because you went to happy hour. Maybe you left work a little early
and hung out, you blow off some steam, You go home, and
you walk in and go, I just working a little late tonight. I
want to catch up on some stuff. And you don't say anything. But
if you had the Life three sixties, she'd know exactly where you went from
the office the distillery. Yeah, exactly. And I'm not sure that I
like that. We use it more for just kind of tracking what the boys,
not what they're doing, but like when when he stands on the train,
we can kind of see where he is, yes time we can plan
it out to pick him up. Or h Tyler had a night practice for
hockey. Off the record, kind of might practice and some of the boys,
older boys the team, We're gonna drive some of the other kids home,
right, And some of the parents were a little, you know,
less than thrilled with that. But watching Life three sixty, you could see
the kid was driving the speed limit. He was doing exactly. He wasn't
right, he wasn't doing ninety five on three ninety. He was driving sixty
to sixty miles an hour, and he went from where he said he was
going to right to where there was No It's amazing these things, right,
Yeah, it's amazing, but you won't accept your wife's invitation to Life three
six. The only thing I do GPS, really, I've turned all that
location stuff off. Yeah. The only thing I use my phone for GPS
is is way is okay. That's I think the only GPS A I use
Google Maps. I like it better than Ways only because instead of saying,
you know, a left and three hundred feet, it'll go at the second
stop light turned left, and I'm so dumb I could rather I go.
I can't judge three hundred feet in the car sometimes, especially with all the
stuff going on around you that you're paying I go. I'm like, I
like Ways because it alerts the alerts caps. Yes, because I maybe sometimes
you might potentially like the speed possibly maybe I don't know, allegedly now if
you cheat it because to me it feels like you want to charge it.
But if you cheated, and this was part of the thing, now that
you know the husband or wife who cheated is going to put the Life three
sixty on the phone, the phone off. Weird, look there gonna go
cheating the phone, phone blow up. I knew a kid who I know
of a kid I know of a kid who recently his mom allowed him to
stay over on a weeknight at a friend's house recently. And she can check
the phones. Now. I don't know if I would assume it's Life three
sixty. It seems to be the most popular one. I don't know.
But she could see that he was not at school and her other kid was
at school. So she called him up and he said, yeah, we're
heading out in just a couple of minutes. And then she checks about ten
minutes later and he's at school. And about fifteen minutes after that, she
gets a call from the school, Hey, we saw your son walk up,
throw his phone in the bushes out in front of the school and leave.
Awesome, And I go, that would have been me. That would
have been me, absolutely, like I would just leave my fuck fuck it,
I don't need it, fuck it, none of this shit I want
to post anyway, you know what I'm saying. So, but it's somebody
at the school snitch. They saw it happen. They saw it happen.
This is a true story. I gotta be careful because I don't want to
identify anybody. But I'm not sure how I feel about the life three sixty.
But from your standpoint, look, I know somebody else who has nieces,
and the nieces had it on and when they arrived, the person's sister
said, I can tell that you drove the speed limit. I can see
where you were, and all that stuff is good. I always figure this,
if there's something bad that's gonna happen, I'm gonna hear about it.
I'll hear about it, probably sooner than later. But I don't know.
I would say to this woman, if you're that, if you feel it's
sketchy, there's something with you. Not for the new guy to not put
it on his phone. There there's something with you. The thing though,
was how many dates are they gone? It's a new guy, so have
they got on or dates? No, I think like new boyfriend, Like
we've gotten into, we've gone on they we've passed that, we're past that,
but you're not married. I agree. Hey, man, I don't
even I don't want it on at all, and I'm not doing anything.
I don't do shit. I'm sure Cam's got you tracked very well, and
you could have me track. But I mean, I'm just saying like I
don't do. Sure knows exactly what you're doing. He knows exactly how fast
you're doing the drags, tripp in the trucks. He knows it all the
like I'm at mault Connery's. I haven't been there in a while. Well,
I don't think I've been there since uh our Saint Patrick's day. See
back at Thirsties changing it up. No, I haven't been to I haven't
been to Thirsties. I've been thinking of going to. Uh. You know,
we got a new sponsor with Trotta and Jojo. I forget about Jojo.
I always liked Jojo. He's got that aspen chic. I like it.
They got one in Webster, you know, going there, get a
wood fire pizza, hang out, hey, and as Jameson always goes,
hey, ladies. It's just very funny, all right. So you I'm
so happy. I'm so proud that you turn it down. Not so proud
because that could become a real fight for some couples. I got nothing to
hype. Well, I under I understand that, but but do you also
know exactly where I'm going. I'm just not like, I'm not telling you
no. But sometimes sometimes there's a detour. Sometimes there's a detour, Like
you get a call and you swing over to somebody's house and you have a
couple of beers and then you head then you finish up your at home.
She knows that. All right, Well, there you go. She knows
all my asshole friends, she knows, she knows you, she knows my
neighbors, she knows the hockey parents, she knows all the people are wrong
with. Nobody else can tolerate me. Well, I don't know. For
me, it would be it would feel invasive. I don't know. It's
almost like having a tracking device on your car, Yeah, you know,
on your person. I get it for the kids. I'm not even sure
if I like the fact that my phone now, because my mother was showing
me, uh, tracks your steps, It tells you how long you've slept.
It's done all this, Yet I go, I'm not sure like any
of that. Mine's always tracked my steps. It's just I haven't set up
any of the other stuff, whether it like the sleeping and stuff. I
don't know how it's gonna track my sleep because I think it's I don't either,
because it's like how long you're no. I think it's where it's resting
next to you in a nose at this time. Intuitively, I guess at
all you don't have to take a shit and want to get some feet.
Now I'm starting to rethink this. Fucking put the three sixty on your phone.
You're tracked everywhere you go. You have no choice. It's everywhere.
You're walking your neighborhood as people are watching you on their little cameras. You
have no idea who's watching you. Don't pick your nose anywhere because everybody to
see it scratched your ass. It's if it becomes a meme. It's everywhere.
So I guess in a way, but there is something to think that
I can say no to something. Does there's some satisfaction in me saying no
to the life three sixty. There's some satisfaction with a bottle of Jameson.
You'd say, hell, yeah, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
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Ain't no sunshine? Oh I did say I would I would have done that.
Elvis Costella song Alison. I we got talking to night, but Elvis
Costella's names Alison. Next time we get Alison on if we do get or
any Allison or any Allison, we'll see. I thought, ain't no sunshine
because the eclipse is coming Monday, and uh, it's a big deal for
some not such a big deal for others, but big deals. To the
point where you were saying that the Wayne County has declared a state of emergency,
and I think that's top with the funding of overtime for police. I
don't think it's for anything. I think it's just to be able to get
more people and public service out there to you assessed with. And I don't
know what to expect, because you know we're gonna do the podcast out somewhere,
but I don't know what what to expect in terms of timing and traffic
and all that. Kind of glasses. Have you got glasses? I have
not got I guess some glasses what I figured. Yeah, they're like two
bucks everywhere, right, I don't know do you have glasses? I think
my wife buck glasses es well, I know Brady got some from school,
so worst comestoris, I'll still has. We're gonna call the four ninety motel
to find out if there's any vacancy for the week. Everything's booked him.
I'm coming from out of town for the eclipse, and I wanted to know
everything seems to be booked. Do you have any rooms available? How Uh?
While I'll be coming into town on Sunday. Uh, how long do
I have to stay? Look? Coming on Sunday, coming into town Sunday,
how long do I have to stay? Where? Can we get it
for about three hours? On Tuesday or Monday? Do you want to see
on Monday? Wait? You do it by the hour? Yeah? Ah?
Yes, we can rent by the hour, yeah, by the hub
and a one night and my overnight? Is there a minimum stay or a
minimum hours? Two hours? Is forty dollars? How much for overnight?
Ninety dollars? Okay? To a hot tub room? Yeah you have hot
tubs? No you don't have hot tubs? Uh? Okay? And there
is a room available if I wanted to say, at the four ninety motel
for the eclipse? Yes, okay? Uh? Are you going to be
watching the eclipse? Okay? Thank you? Bye? By the hour,
catch a little catch the clipse ketch, little napping on the road, God,
God like forty two hours? Bring your own seats. I want to
go in. I want someone to your own. Someone needs to go in
with a black light and just go over everything. It might be worth it
for the forty dollars. I may you know what that would be a great
video. We go to the four ninety motel with a black light. We
pay for the two hours we rent through them. We just together, what
oh, who cares? It's just you're the cameraman. What they're calling?
Yeah, yeah, he's the cameraman. All right, let's see. Should
we try the Gates Motel? Sure? Why not? Now? I don't
know the Gates Motel? Is it? We're tell me more about it?
Do you know anything about it? I just know what Cecilia is, the
fore ninety from what I've been told. Okay, you should try to hide
it afterwards and just see what they what they're charging. Okay, yeah,
the ninety we have ninety five me at number for that forty dollars for two
hours. Hotel? How many help you? Hi? How are you good?
How are you good? I'm coming from out of town for the eclipse?
Huh? And I'm wondering if you know nobody has any rooms available.
I'm wondering if you have anything available Sunday in the month. Yeah, as
far as I know, we do. But we don't take reservations over the
phone and just walk in. I mean all the wait a minute, make
a reservation is coming to person? Pantful. Okay? How much is an
overnight on Sunday and Monday? Would you be doing cash er card? What?
What do you prefer if I if I know I'm advanced, I just
make because you know today nobody has any cash home. So if I know
thirty seven on the cart, it's ninety okay? And uh, what if
I just wanted to do a few hours? Do you do hourly? Oh?
Yeah, it starts at two hours for thirty seven or three hours for
forty five. Wow, it's a deal. All right, thank you,
you're welcome. How good night? Thanks? Three hours for forty five.
They don't take reservations. You have to walk in you so you got two
hours for forty At the four ninety is gates in a better line for the
eclipse. You get a better show for forty five. Absolutely. Have you
seen where the four ninety is? The fort ninety motel? It is it
turn passes every night going home. It's nearing the little speed shop, isn't
it? No? Four nineties right on the corner. It's right on four
ninety. Yeah, at mault Reid, Like yeah, right right, it's
right. You can see it from four ninety right down the road. From
the little speed shop. They're on Emerson and they're Emerson's. Yeah, but
I mean if I'm home, if I was going home to catch four ninety,
and I leave a little speech shop, I turn left and I go
down to Mount Red and I get out of four ninety and I passed the
four ninety hotel. Oh god, I just can't imagine ever in my life
being tempted to just pay by the hour. And you know why it's paid
by the hour. But it's like, and then who else I don't have
live three six phone? Baby? Who has to go in there and clean
that shit? After that? Oh? They're not. They're they're making the
bed at at most and maybe emptying the rubber wrapper out of the garbage cat.
That's where COVID started, maybe wipe mopping up the mirror with the cocaine
residence. Oh my god, do you want to try call on the Hiatt?
Yeah, give me a high number. I just said it. So
now we've got ninety at the at the four ninety eighty seven cash at the
Gates motel, forty five for three hours or forty for two hours? Yeah,
did you give me? Did you write the number down? No?
You have my paper. I can't so this is the Highest Regency? Yes?
Uh, now the highest Regency. I'm trying to think where the one
downtown isn't. Yeah, it is downtown, which might have like a little
rooftop bar or something. Thank you for calling Highest Regency Rochester your place to
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reach a guest on floor nine and below, please dial seven plus the room
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You cheatings out of a bitch? What are you doing in there? Select
from the phollowing oceans. Please press one if you were calling to make a
new reservation Chris, two if you were needing her so you can't even get
through to the desk. Four ninety gates, I get customer service. I'm
customer wondering if that was if that was an actual person. At the four
ninety he had a Hello Hier, Hello morning, good morning. Uh,
well, yes we are. I'm looking for a room at the High Regency
downtown Rochester, and I'm just looking for Sunday to Monday for the eclipse.
Is there anything available Sunday that will be a pro seven? Right? Sure?
April seventh to April eighth. I want to see the eclipse. Are
you excited about the eclipse? Yes? And for this is for how many
persons two two adults, one night, Sunday to Monday, downtown Rochester?
Are do you know are you going to have a Sunday, Monday and Tuesday?
Leave Tuesday, I'll leave Tuesday, all right, Sunday, Monday,
Tuesday. Well, I just want to know what the overnight rate is and
then yes, So for the for the seventh to eight bait, there are
no rooms available, no rooms available. Do you know if they have a
an event on the roof for anything? You're let me chuck. If it's
for two nights. Oh, if it's for two nights, okay, let's
see, two nights might come up? Two nice, mister, it's still
unavailable, still unavailable? Okay? If it were available, how much would
we be looking at? Sure? Can I ask if you're a high member
for a what number? Can I ask if you're a highest member? No,
I'm not a high member, are you? I think I might?
Unfortunately, well, hanging on a second, my partner. My partner may
be a high member. He's looking up his highest number. Hang on,
don't hang up on us yet. This is very exciting. Did you buy
a powerball ticket, ma'am? Did you fortunately on this hotel for this?
There are no rooms available even if I have a high number. If I
have a high preferred High Member Platinum card, yes, sure, any rooms
available? All right, Well, I appreciate your time, Thank you,
good bye. I bet you all the decent places are sold out. Yeah.
I don't have I don't have high I have holiday and iron in bonvoys.
Should I call my mom and tell her I got a room at the
Gates Motel for eighty seven dollars a day? Oh shit, Oh shit,
I just thought of the greatest thing. My father loves to stay at the
shittiest hotels he can all the time. He does it on purpose, like
the guy my father loves to I don't get into this, but he has
means and he doesn't need to do this, but he loves to do it.
So he's coming up for my son's college graduation. Maybe I set him
up at the Gates Motel. Dude, he might die, and that's that's
no bullshit. He might die in that hotel about the four ninety. Either
one. He's either gonna die or get chlemydiot, one of the jills.
I can't do that. I can't do that. Power Ball is up to
over a one billion. Again. You get your tickets, three of them
today, all right? I got mine on my jack pocket, which sounds
awful. That's such a stupid name. Uh, but if you won the
other night, I won four dollars. No, that's it's it's like reins,
reinvest. Uh. If you lend a friend ten bucks and they spend
it on Powerball and they hit, how much do they owe you? In
a perfect world, they owe you ten dollars. Yeah, that's what I
say. I say the same thing. I'm sure any good friend's going to
throw you a little bit more. I would say. A friend asks if
they can borrow ten dollars, you hand them the ten. Uh. So
they asked a bunch of different people that people vote on this, and the
four options were just the original ten, half the winnings, all the winnings,
nothing, The top votegeter vote getter was just the original ten half or
all no way. Uh. If you want to give more, great,
and maybe they should, but they're not obligated. I would say this,
how many people voted for all? Seventy two percent? Yes, let's see
half the winnings was fifteen percent, then nothing at twelve percent. Two percent
that think they should give you the full one billion. Two percent of the
people who responded obviously just people, because I mean theoretically, if if I
go out and buy my own tickets and I give you ten to buy your
ticket, yeah, give me back to ten. If I don't buy a
ticket, then it's on me to not ask for anything because I didn't even
buy a ticket myself. I gave you ten. So if the roles were
reversed, sixty four percent of people say they'd only feel obligated to pay back
the original ten. Twenty seven claimed they'd split the winnings, and nine percent
say scream, I'm a billion are bitch, goh find me? I would
give I would give the ten plus a little extra kick, and probably we're
probably going to depending on who it is. Hang on, if it was
a billion dollars, Let's say you let me ten bucks and I hit for
a billion, I'm I think I'm giving you, like, I don't know,
ten grand. You cheap, motherfucker, I don't know. I don't
know. If you let me the ten and I want a billion, i've
given you more than ten grand, Well, I probably get Okay, you're
right, that's a good point. Maybe like one hundred grand, I'd probably
be in the one to two fifty range. And then yeah, you know,
we're probably gonna take a trip somewhere. We're probably gonna go to the
Guinness factory. Oh yeah, you're gonna be invited to whatever blowout party I
have. Would recovered, like one hundred grand would be It would be pretty
nice. It's not life changing, but it's pretty nice. You cover the
tax too, Do you give one hundred like twelve to cover the tax?
Uh? Great point, Yes, yes, don't think that if you're just
a dick, if you don't give you tax too? Yeah, what if
what if I don't tell anybody where it went? Well, if you just
can't find me, live three sixty can't find me. You ain't gonna find
me. The government's got LIVEE three sixty to track it down. I did
buy three tickets on Jackpocket, and I'm sure I'll get from nothing. I
always love it because Jackpocket. The next day, like if you win,
there's a like a little alert to let you know to check your thing,
and you check and it's usually at seven o'clock in the morning. If you
didn't win, they do the little check your winnings and it's at ten and
you know, you're like, yeah, fuck, I got fox. I
find this fascinating. I want now, I want to go to the four
ninety motel. People kill two bits of one stone? What do you mean?
Ask a stripper? At you get then the black light at the four
ninety kill two birds of one stone? I think the black light at the
four ninety. Now I'd want to go with a police officer. Maybe I
can get the share an off duty sheriff to come with me. I bet
you get early to go. Yeah, yes, but early is out that
way. He made no people at the Gates Hotel just from his copy days.
Oh I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure they get called there a
ton. I mean, you're wrinten by the room by the hour, and
it's that cheap. It's what would she say, thirty seven for two,
forty five for three yeah, forty five dollars. Oh god, it's so
sad. Sometimes you gotta go a pound forty five dollars for three hours and
a hooker for twenty bucks for under one hundred dollars, that's great at me,
you can't even get you can't go to you're under seventy five. If
you can't go to dinner for that, that's what you'd give me for your
How long as the ten in the power Block huer in three hours at the
Gates Hotel? Hell yeah, maybe let's go. I wonder I think that
we should get Gates Motel gifts or two it gets to give away out there
on the podcast. You wouldn't mega millions, you wouldn't scratch off. You
could probably buy the Gates Hotel. Put something decent there. I don't know,
some people may need that in their life. There's a purpose for those
things there, you know what I mean, it's called Poundtown. Well probably,
I'm sure there's hookers and things that need a place, and that's what
they do. As long as someone's getting killed, what do I care?
No, it's getting hurt. And because the money's green and it ain't fake,
right, I mean it's look at money's green and the card don't decline
and there's a cash I'm sure I would almost bet my life there's at least
one hundred or one hundred and fifty dollars cash DEPOSITI if you're paying cash for
security for security deposits for security at the Gates motelity either one of them.
I oh, I guarantee there are you going in a second go in there
on a cocaine thing, blow the place to hang and destroy the room.
They want their one hundred and fifty Hang on, I'm calling back to the
Gates Motel. I don't believe you. I would bet that you cannot be
completed on the cash, and I bet you on your card they still authorize
the security deposit. How many help you? You have a lovely voice?
You know that, And I know that sounds kind of creepy because it like
this is the first thing that somebody's saying to you, But when he is,
it's so pleasant. All right, So here's my question, because we
called you just a few minutes ago, and you said it was forty five
dollars for three hours, thirty seven for two or something like that, and
eighty seven overnight if you paid cash. But is there a room deposit in
addition? Like do you need a deposit in case? Because I got to
think if you're renting by the hour, sometimes there's some people that come in
there that probably do bad things in the room, like hurt, but you
know, destroy things. Most of our people are local regular so we don't
really have too many problems because we know them. But the thirty seven and
forty five includes a two dollars key deposit which you would get back when you
check out. Look at that, so really it's thirty five and forty three.
Yeah, but no deposit for any sort of damages or incidentals or anything
like that. No, what the Jacuzzi suites there is a twenty five dollars
deposit. How much is well not hang on a second, you needn't tell
me about the Jacuzzi suitees. How much are the Jacuzi suites? Let's see
one up to on a car to be one fifteen total mode deposit if you
pay cash, it's one ten, So it's a positively one thirty five.
Do you need it? Do you need a deposit? With cash? But
not with credit? That's right? Credit? Gotcha? All right? Yeah?
Do you guys do give certificates? Now? Have you ever been too?
But no? Did you ever have you ever been in the jacuzi rooms?
Oh? Yeah, we clean them. Have you ever been in the
jacuzzi? No? Would you get into one of the jacuzzis? Well?
Not here? I work here and then you know, I'll be there in
an hour. We'll get it. How long have you? How long have
you been played it to Keate's Motel thirteen? What's the craziest ship you've ever
seen? There? Yeah? You to your imagination? Really is that?
Does it really get that wild? I don't know, Okay, not generally
now it's usually just pretty quiet. Yeah, I gotta think that. I
mean, you know, the hourly stuff. There's people discreet, well,
just pull off the side of the road, take a little napkin back on
the road. There's that. There's also people who might be going, you
know, working a certain profession and they need that room. That's right.
I'm not on the radio, am I. Why would you even ask that
question? You guys sound like like a radio. We are a podcast.
Oh well, it's no big deal. Oh no, am I being recorded?
Yeah, but it's no big deal. It's a podcast. You're fine.
No one listens. What's the name of the podcast? Billified Villified?
We'll look you up later. Okay, it's Billified, the Bill Moran podcast.
M anywhere you find podcasts. Did you ever listen to the radio in
town? I listened to it in the car. Yeah, do you ever
listen? I was on the radio for a long time. Sound like it?
Okay, this is fun. This is the stuff I like. Now
I want to go out and go What you doing? That's the next bit
for that with his Bible tracks. Oh god, I would love it if
Dandy did in my own radio. She's a very pleasant woman. Yeah what
I said, putting up with our bullshit. I just want to know if
she also bought a Powerball ticket, and if she did, would she buy
the Gates motel. I wonder if she'll come ask her if she if we
lend her tend to buy tickets, how much she'd have to give us back?
Okay? I wonder if she'll come back to us or she'll just leave
us hanging here. They have Dakouzzi sweets. Why am I intrigued by this?
Do you think swingers going? Now? Swingers usually go to their homes?
Right, all right, well I should get way. Hang on,
I have I have two more questions for you. Okay, no, no,
no, good questions. One did you buy your powerball tickets? No?
I never played the lottery? Okay, if if you loaned someone ten
dollars, they bought a powerball ticket and they hit for the billion, how
much should they give you? I don't know whatever they're conscious? Six page?
Yeah, okay, very very pleasant. Yeah, you're you're like you're
you're pretty solid, aren't you as a human being? No, you are
like you're very nice, You're very patient. And that was a great answer.
That was the right answer. I think I want to We're gonna come
down someday. We want to interview you in person. Oh no, why
can we could we play a game there? What you're doing at the Gates
Hotel? No? No, I gotta go though, I'm sorry. All
right, right, all right, thanks. See, even even when she
had to go, she was pleasant. Yeah, she jacuzzi sweets. Man,
there ain't enough climbing in the count. No, no, no,
no, somebody loses a bet. They gotta get in the tub at the
Gates Motel. Suit or no suit, No suit for Kevin Mura and Bill
Moran, We'll see you tomorrow unless we win the billion