1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:27,960 You're listening to the Parallel UK Reunion work. Hello. My name is Kerrie 2 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:35,280 and I am from Equilibrium Collective and I'm here today to talk to you a 3 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:40,719 little bit about the things that I find interesting. Hopefully you will feel the 4 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:47,399 same way. But I intend to take you on a little journey looking at 5 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:55,359 the UK and some of the pockets of history and story and mystery and in 6 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:00,920 this case, in this particular instance, witchcraft. I hope that I'm able 7 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,920 to do that in a way that you the listener, is able to take 8 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:11,040 some information and have a little bit of food for thought about how far we 9 00:01:11,159 --> 00:01:19,480 have come from the mentality of the years that have come before us, whether 10 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,560 we have or not. But before I do that, I want to talk 11 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,359 to you a little bit about who I am, as this is probably the 12 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:33,519 first time that you might have experienced me or come across me. Maybe not 13 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,879 so, but if it is, this is me. I am Kerry Anne. 14 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:46,280 I am from the self East parts of the UK, in a place 15 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:57,159 called Essex. I consider myself a paranormal researcher investigator. I tend to steer 16 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,439 away from the word hunter, although I will say that many many years ago 17 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:10,479 I would have proudly proclaimed myself as one. But knowledge is power, So 18 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:22,280 a paranormal researcher, I believe that I am a sensitive to energy and I 19 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,319 incorporate that into some of the workings that I do when it comes to the 20 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:32,360 paranormal. And I am also a psychology graduate, So within itself, you 21 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:42,560 can imagine the conundrum that might kind of spearhead within me. So to categorize 22 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,680 myself outside of that, I find it very hard. I like to say 23 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:55,599 that I am a believer in the paranormal. However, I understand the constructs 24 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:01,120 that we have the framework to belief, the influences in our environment and our 25 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:09,960 home and our body that might create susceptibility to believe or interpret. But that 26 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:16,360 doesn't mean that I believe that it doesn't exist. I do very much. 27 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:22,159 So, so what do I like about the paranormal and the things that I've 28 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:27,439 done so far? So I've been very fortunate. I've been within paranormal teams 29 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,000 for the last ten years or so. It's been a I started a long 30 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:40,159 time ago where I would say it wasn't as popular as it is today, 31 00:03:40,639 --> 00:03:46,159 or maybe it was, and I just didn't realize because I hadn't seen it 32 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:49,960 for myself. However, I'm aware now that there's a lot more conversations about 33 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:58,520 it and a lot more a lot more people are interested. I have seen 34 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:02,719 some amazing places, and I've investigated some amazing places, and one thing I 35 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:08,879 have loved about the paranormal as is that I have been fortunate to meet the 36 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:13,599 most fascinating people along the way. And for those that happened within the paranormal 37 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,199 being a year, two years or more will say the same. These people 38 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:25,720 are very unique. And when you have conversations that involve active listening, you 39 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,480 learn a lot about the word world around you that you might not have knowledge 40 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:38,000 of previous. So that's one thing I enjoy the most. That is something 41 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,519 I hope to bring if you enjoy listening to this podcast and you wish to 42 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:47,160 join me on future ones, it is something that I wish to bring to 43 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:54,079 any of the podcasts that I do in the future. I hope to speak 44 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:00,360 about things and speak to people that talk or share in information I had no 45 00:05:00,399 --> 00:05:09,560 prior knowledge of before. I hope that expands my experience and my understanding to 46 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,399 the paranormal world or the world in which I live. And I hope that 47 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,879 I am able to do that for those that listen as well. So I 48 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,079 hope that you stay on this journey with me, and if you feel like 49 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:28,079 you're a person that can enable me to do that, then you're always welcome 50 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,879 to come along and have a chat with me. Please feel free to get 51 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:36,279 in touch with the show, the show's platform, or or with myself. 52 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:47,000 So what am I going to speak about today? I have a real affinity 53 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:59,079 with the history around witchcraft and the women that get lost in he said. 54 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:09,560 She said, you know, narratives looking at what happened and who done it, 55 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:17,879 rather than who were they and what lives are they live in? How 56 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:25,079 did this event happen? That's kind of what I've spent a long time doing 57 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,079 well for the last few years. What I absolutely love about the UK is 58 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:38,000 that there is so many nooks and crannies of history and pockets of people that 59 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:45,439 get lost amongst the everyday life of the conundrum of the area, that if 60 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,879 you just spent a moment and stood still in those places, you can instantly 61 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,680 be taken back in time because that story is still so loud and clear, 62 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:03,480 and it's carried for generational through families of If you want to talk about the 63 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,480 nuclear family, you know, the grandmother looking after the children, who then 64 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:12,199 look after the children, who look after the Children's stories are then shared through 65 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,040 generational and then it gets part of the identity of that community. But as 66 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,680 a passer by, as a traveler moving through, just to take a moment 67 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:29,600 to stop and stay still, instantly put in that moment in time, and 68 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,720 you're able to understand and hear those that remain as an imprint along with it. 69 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:40,720 That is my passion, and that is what I've been focusing on for 70 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:45,600 the last city January, and I've been very fortunate that I've been able to 71 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:50,439 travel and see some of these places for myself. What I hope to do 72 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,720 is talk a little bit about those experiences. But as well as that, 73 00:07:55,879 --> 00:08:00,959 I want to talk about take your little journey through the UK. I want 74 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,680 to talk about three cases in particular that I found interesting, and each within 75 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:15,120 their own right, are focused on a individual, but it's the story of 76 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,639 the people that are around them that make up the story of the individual themselves. 77 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,160 That is what I find so fascinating. It's almost like I think, 78 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,399 therefore I am, but in the concept of they are because I say they 79 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,840 are, which is so important when we do investigations. This place is haunted 80 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,240 because I say it's haunted, and sometimes it's not even because we say it's 81 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,039 haunted, it's because we've heard so many times that it is. Therefore we 82 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,279 think, therefore it is. We find what we seek, almost like a 83 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:00,559 self fulfilling prophecy. I always find it's so important to be the open minded 84 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:05,000 to those kind of aspects of investigation because we are influenced in such a way 85 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,879 that could be so slight that we don't realize that we've been influenced by him. 86 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:18,559 This is a whole topic for another show, hopefully, so I won't 87 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,279 go too much into that, but that's kind of what the focus is today. 88 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,799 So I asked, before I carry on, I want you to have 89 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:33,360 a think about your local witch, your story that's associated to your town or 90 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:39,639 a town close buyer of your local witch. What do you know about them? 91 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:45,720 Because it's a he or a she or are they child? What do 92 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:48,600 you know about them? What have you heard about them? Because it's two 93 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,879 different things to know and to hear and to assume. And then what I 94 00:09:54,879 --> 00:10:01,600 would like for you to do is just take a moment and actually research what 95 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:07,159 was happening at the time of the allegation. Who was that person that was 96 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:15,440 accused and what happened to them? And remind yourself that this is a loved 97 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,039 one. This is a grandmother, a grandfather, a mom, and Nan 98 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:28,759 a dad. I repeat myself with Nan or child, a human being, 99 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:39,759 a sentient human being with feelings and faults, and more time than not they 100 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:50,320 give in because I cannot handle or they cannot cannot no longer take the pain 101 00:10:52,840 --> 00:11:00,639 and the torture that they're going through. It Why, I want you to 102 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:05,080 think about that a little bit before I carry on, and if you wish 103 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,279 to share your story with me afterwards, its absolutely if I am, I 104 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:16,039 welcome it. I'm always interested in expanding my knowledge and knowing more about an 105 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:24,679 area. I'd like to feel I have some kind of understanding of so less 106 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:33,159 about me. I'm going to discuss the cases that I feel are good examples 107 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:41,679 in different contexts of the impact misinformation has on a society, the effect that 108 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:50,440 has on the individual, the demonization, the prosecution, and the ill theorized, 109 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,799 and how that still has left a mark in the town that it belongs. 110 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,639 It still affects people today, and the reason why it affects people today 111 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,399 is because those stories still are still alive, very much so, and they 112 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:13,320 are tend to have been passed down and those stories themselves within that narrative, 113 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,559 the fear still remains because a lot of the time these stories that are remembered 114 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,440 are are false. And the reason why there I remember the way they are 115 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,960 is because they're attached to stereotyping, because it's just our natural way to be 116 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,080 able to remember things when we associate things to a stereotype. Because of that, 117 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,440 a lot of the true information it gets left by the wayside, and 118 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,360 the less true information, even if there is scientific evidence to dismiss it, 119 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:50,879 are usually the ones that stay rooted. And it's because of those that the 120 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,399 stories and the injustices still remain today. But what I find so sad, 121 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,919 and the reason why I'm talking about the cases the way that I am, 122 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,919 is because it is the injustice that he is missed that is not where the 123 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:11,200 focus is laid. The focus is laid within the ghost story and the torment 124 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:18,519 and the torture and the pain and the heartache. But the injustice is what 125 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:26,840 is left to one side, in my opinion. So the first case study 126 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,320 I want to speak about is a place that I've visited myself. It is 127 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:39,799 called the Old Oak Tree or the Chained Oak Tree. Is situated in private 128 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:45,720 grounds. You are able to stay there because this private grounds happens to also 129 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:54,039 be a farm that has a Airbnb a place to stay, and it's beautiful 130 00:13:54,080 --> 00:14:01,279 there as well. It is directly opposite Autumn Towers. Autumn Towers has a 131 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:05,600 ride that has been created because of the ghost story that is attached to the 132 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,440 land, and it's called the Hecks. I don't know if anyone's been there 133 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,720 and roade it, but I see it and it looks I'm more scared of 134 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:22,000 that ride than I am about the ghost story. But it is a fascinating 135 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,200 story. So the lad tell you a little bit about the train. The 136 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:35,759 tree is situated in a privately owned wood, and this wood was the road 137 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,480 home for the Earl of Shropshire. And what happened was one day this Earl 138 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:48,519 of Shropshire, who happens to be known as the Good of Shopshire, so 139 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:52,240 he must have been having a really bad day this day he was driving home 140 00:14:52,320 --> 00:15:00,600 and he got stopped by a they referred to as a hag or a gypsy 141 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:05,879 or as a witch. There's lots of different same connotation, different words using 142 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:13,159 a negative way. And she asked for some change, and he kind of 143 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,639 shunned her and went on her way. And with that she cursed him, 144 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:24,360 and she said, for every branch that fell from this tree, this huge 145 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,080 oak tree, for every branch that fell from this tree, a member of 146 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,879 your family would die. To that extent, there will be misfortune, ill 147 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,159 fortune at your doorstep. And with that he just went on his way home. 148 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,559 And that's where it was, to the tower in autumn, that's where 149 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:48,759 he lived. And with that, there's lots of different kind of stories. 150 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:50,200 But whether it was the next day or a couple of weeks, there was 151 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,960 a massive storm and a lightning struck the tree and one of the branches fell, 152 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,879 and with that, within a matter of days, he is six month 153 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:07,360 old son passed away. Now he went or the wife commanded that the tree 154 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:14,840 would be chained up and that would stop any more misfortune, and it is 155 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:19,720 still chained to this day. The reason why I find this story is so 156 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:26,399 fascinating isn't so much the story itself, but the imprint that that has left 157 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,639 within the community. Is a small village, a farming village made up with 158 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:40,279 farms mostly. It's not far from the castle in Alton, which overlooks the 159 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:45,559 land itself where the tree is, and it's very rustic and rural, and 160 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:51,720 it still is today this day, beautifully beautiful village, but a lot of 161 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:56,639 the people that live within Alton still tell the story with a lot of fear. 162 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:02,480 The lady that and the farm, the landowner. When I spoke to 163 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:07,359 her about it, she told me that she once went she studied at Catholic 164 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:15,839 school, and the Mother of Mercy would call that tree the druid tree, 165 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,119 and would say that druids would go there on their sabbaths and create rituals, 166 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,960 and they would perform human sacrifices. There is no documentation of this, there's 167 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,480 no evidence of this is not really I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm not 168 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,720 going to say that none of this is true. However, there is nothing 169 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,960 documented that I was able to find that such things happened at this location. 170 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:48,039 So before it was called the old Oak Tree, it was referred to the 171 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:53,680 locals as Druid tree. Another local I spoke to had actually taken at a 172 00:17:53,839 --> 00:18:02,200 branch sapling was created from this branch, and he has one growing in his 173 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:07,440 own land and he refuses to cut and he had the branches off because of 174 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:14,599 the superstition that's attached to it. So what I want to look at? 175 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:19,880 When I went there, I was very confused what level or aspect of that 176 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:26,200 investigation was I had to focus on. Was I to focus on the story 177 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,279 of the witch or the cunning woman, or the gypsy or the hag, 178 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:41,960 the lady that was had ill fortune and needed help, which is what, 179 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:48,359 if ever this happened. Was more so the case was I had to investigate 180 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:57,839 the death that occurred the earl, the wife who was associated so much with 181 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:04,839 that tree, that that would be a place that I would investigate. When 182 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:15,480 I started communication, I did make contact with a spirit and this wasn't a 183 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:22,920 hag, wasn't a child, It wasn't earl, it wasn't the wife, 184 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:30,720 but someone completely different that had their own story that they were able to tell. 185 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:36,599 From my research of looking this location, I haven't been able to find 186 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:44,480 anyone that has made communication with any of those with sufficient evidence, not suggested 187 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:51,359 sufficient class a communication beyond reasonable doubt, which I know it's hard to ask 188 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,480 for, But how is this story still alive to this day when it happened 189 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:03,039 to the fourteenth century, I could be wrong. How is it still alive 190 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:10,960 today? How is the tree still bound with chains? What would be associated 191 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,559 to that tree? The tree is quite a feet to get to. It 192 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,680 is quite high up on a bank, and there's very steep little steps you 193 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,519 can take to go up there. And I'm not easy on my feet, 194 00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:30,240 and I'm scared of huts, so I didn't have the best time. But 195 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:38,599 even there's lots of aspects of that tree is very omnimous. Without without the 196 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,400 which thinking wherever I pronounced like creeping, without the other elements to it, 197 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,559 It's huge, absolutely huge, and blocks out a lot of light with the 198 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:56,720 chain, the huge iron chains hanging off of it, quite high up on 199 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:00,279 a hill. When you stand at the base looking up it tower was over 200 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,480 you. What is that going to do for your flight of fight? There 201 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,880 are so many people that won't go near that tree. There's so many people 202 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,160 that won't go on the land. I did whilst I was there, order 203 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:21,039 food, and when the local delivery person come onto the grounds, he said, 204 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:22,240 is this named after the tree? I said, oh, yeah, 205 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,359 it's just over there is oh I'm staying here. I'm going You're actually staying 206 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,960 here. I'm like, yeah, I am, You're like now, I'm 207 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:38,559 going. So even to this day, it causes so much fear. The 208 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:44,160 farm itself is absolutely stunning, and not one part of it even made me 209 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:49,160 for uneasy. I will say being presented and standing at the foot of the 210 00:21:49,200 --> 00:22:00,920 tree will obviously awaken a fear of or an overwhelming sense of dominance. I 211 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:07,240 think all these things need to be considered, and its perpetuation of stories that's 212 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:14,440 added to it with no clear understanding what really happened. Who really are we 213 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:19,559 to be afraid of? What should we be investigating? What part of the 214 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,960 story is fact? Could it be that the farmers there could have been something 215 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,880 that was around that tree that if it felt it would harm or break or 216 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,240 damage, and it was done so that it wouldn't cause any more any further 217 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:42,000 damage to it. It also is sitting opposite a beautiful little stream, And 218 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,440 when I was there at eight o'clock in the morning, with no one us 219 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,200 around, the sound of the water and the tree whistling in the wind, 220 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:56,960 and the birds, that's the moment that I wanted to remember. The communication 221 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:03,680 had nothing to do with any of oursociation to tree. That's what I wanted 222 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:11,119 to remember. Non real idea of who the woman hag the witch was. 223 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:18,440 That is something to remember. So if you have any information about the old 224 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:26,000 chained oak tree or the Juria tree that's situated on private land in autumn in 225 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,359 the UK, then I really do encourage to get in touch. I would 226 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,279 love to know more. Tell me about this story, help me understand why 227 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:41,960 this fear is carried through the years and who should we be investigating there? 228 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,319 Who is it that we need to make contact with? That's my question. 229 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,480 So the next case that I wish to talk about I find quite interesting on 230 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:59,319 a personal level because it looks at the person who is accused of witchcraft and 231 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:08,319 then explain the environmental, sociological, and economical factors that influence the people behind 232 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:18,480 the accusing, the perpetrators, the abusers, the tortures. It explores how 233 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:26,519 does someone have the capability to turn someone or think about them in an inhuman 234 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:33,599 way to perform inhuman acts upon them. We explore this in so many different 235 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,759 contexts. How is an individual able to sit at a table with their family 236 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:48,200 and then go out and harm someone and then just return like nothing's happened, 237 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:56,119 and it's an occurring theme that people are a bit able to dehumanize someone. 238 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:06,960 So we're going to look at that massive area that produced this mentality. So 239 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,519 we're starting at Suffolk and the witch trials of Suffolk, but more so we're 240 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:18,279 going to look at the Ipswich witch trials. Happened in the sixteen hundreds and 241 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:25,880 it was conducted and led by the witch Finder General Matthew Hopkins. Now this 242 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,039 was at a time where there was a lot happening. We had the Cold 243 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:37,039 War. We had people's ships, so Ipswich at that time was a coal 244 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,200 merchant, so people were coming from Europe and coming back out and traveling all 245 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,839 over bringing coal over. So we had a time where there was a Cold 246 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:52,440 War, so these these ships that belonged to people were being taken and taking 247 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,720 people out to war, and the ships wouldn't come back or the people wouldn't 248 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:02,400 come back. We had a king who was ruling without parliament at the time, 249 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,720 who believed that he was going to be overruled by Catholics. It was 250 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,400 very paranoid. We had the Black Plague at the same time as this, 251 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,720 so what we had was a lot of things happening to a group of people 252 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:25,599 for a good food few years and what was happening amongst these people was this. 253 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:32,240 What did we do to deserve this? What did we do? What 254 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:38,279 can we do to fix it? There was a lot of harsh oppression of 255 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:45,720 women and children. Poverty was at his peak. It was a time of 256 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:52,759 rising of the church, and you would find that the everyday living life was 257 00:26:52,880 --> 00:27:04,240 very much conformed to the churches understanding of how life should be structured. There 258 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,759 would be three hour lectures that would happen twice a week and during these times 259 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,759 life would stop for the people that lived in this area and for a lot 260 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:19,279 of people that followed this religion at that time. There isn't a real understanding 261 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:25,039 of how many people lived in Ipswich at this time. The way that they 262 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,519 would do it was since this would be that there would be a head of 263 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:33,519 the household, and each head of the household would be counted the assumption that 264 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,240 there would be a typical amount of people living in a house, so for 265 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,000 example, of parents and children, two parents two children. So there was 266 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:49,079 a guestimation based upon how many heads of households there were, and so there's 267 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,880 no real understanding of how many people were living in this one area, but 268 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,759 they do believe it's the low thousands. You can imagine this had a very 269 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:06,920 kind of like small village mentality and the fact that everyone knew everyone, everyone 270 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,359 was aware or had made contact of other people that lived in that village. 271 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,839 So there was a lot of this why what is the message God is trying 272 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,880 to give me? And then projecting that because obviously it's with the outside of 273 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,240 their means of fixing. There's greater forces that are playing a hand here, 274 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:41,359 So who is to blame? Why is this happening? This meant that many 275 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:48,720 would project and blame on people that didn't fit within the societal norms of what 276 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:57,559 they accepted within that community. And what did it mean to fit within those 277 00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:03,640 societal norms. Well, it mean that you were married, you wasn't widowed, 278 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,160 you had children, if you was a woman, didn't read, you 279 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,319 didn't attend church without your husband, you stayed at home looking after the children 280 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,400 whilst your husband worked, and you took very good care of your husband. 281 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:25,599 So for those that lived or outlived without their husband, who never got married, 282 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,039 the Wenches or the Crones, well they didn't quite fit within that subtle 283 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,839 norm. So if you didn't fit into the solution of the way how life 284 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:44,720 should be lived, then we're all being punished for your misdoing. And that's 285 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:51,480 what created this us and them dehumanization. It's either you or it's even my 286 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:57,720 family. And that's kind of what you can identify here. What they did 287 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:07,000 do for widows who couldn't attend church because their husbands had passed away, was 288 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,839 that they found a really old piece of land within Ipswich and he had been 289 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,799 passed down from company to company, governing body to governing body and council, 290 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880 and he had really poor house on there. And they decided that what they 291 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 were going to do was they were going to take all the widows and they 292 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,039 were going to move them onto this area of land, and each widow, 293 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,920 just to keep them out of trouble, would be given a spinning wheel to 294 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:40,400 keep them proactivity. Devil makes use for idle hands apparently, So all this 295 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:48,680 was happening at the same time Mary Luckland or Widow, finding her voice and 296 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:56,519 her path into being her true authentic self. Now, as far as the 297 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:06,519 documentation goes with understanding who Mary Luckland was, she was a very confident, 298 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:15,559 spoken woman who lived intos seventies so exceeded life expectancy. She outlived lived sorry 299 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:23,720 her husband John Luckland, and she would often read the Bible to other women 300 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:32,640 who were unable to attend church because they didn't have an husband to take them. 301 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,440 Mary Mary Luckland, got accused of witchcraft, and because of the timing, 302 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,200 there was a bishop that was in power that wasn't pushing these cases forward 303 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:51,960 the way that well, the which finer general would like. At this time, 304 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,400 there was a change of bishop which meant that a lot of these cases 305 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:04,880 were pushed forward quite quickly, and there was eight mass hearing for those that 306 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,920 were accused of witchcraft. Now, out of the many that was accused, 307 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,680 there was only two people that were found guilty, and that was Mary herself 308 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:23,079 and a lady called Alice Desim is my understanding her last name. Now Mary 309 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:31,000 had been found guilty of petty treason. It was believed that Mary had killed 310 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:38,039 her husband twenty years prior with witchcraft, and not even that the main focus 311 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:44,160 there was that she had allegedly killed her husband. Why was she put to 312 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,640 stand to court in the first place? Well, I shall tell you the 313 00:32:49,720 --> 00:33:00,160 other allegations. Should I say was that she fed her familiars, numerous familiars, 314 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:12,440 and more importantly, she confronted and upset William Lawrence and son. Now 315 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,960 William was a lecturer. What does she do to upset him? I hear 316 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,839 you say. Will she accuse William of oppressing the poor, faining to support 317 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:30,039 orphans and widows, stealing the spirit of children through abuse, through putting them 318 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:37,599 into work too early and not allowing them to enjoy their childhood, giving poor 319 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:47,160 provisions including food and support to orphans and widows, and profiting offered them both. 320 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:57,200 It is alleged that a week after this happened, his son fell ill 321 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,880 and soon after that passed away. So that is really what she had been 322 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,559 accused of witchcraft four. But the interesting fact about Mary Luckland was this, 323 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,719 that is not what she was found guilty of. Essentially, she was found 324 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:19,079 guilty of petty treason, which meant that she was accused of killing her husband. 325 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,199 Now, at this time King Henry the Eighth for little Paranoid decided that 326 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,559 he was going to put in a law that basically said, therefore a woman 327 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,360 was to be found to plus against killing her husband or killing her husband, 328 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,480 she is to be boiled in a vat of oil or be burnt at stake 329 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,920 to ash, and that is what happened to Mary Luckland. She got burnt 330 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,679 to the stake to ash. She was the last woman to be accused of 331 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,400 witchcraft in Ipswich and she was the last woman to stand trial in that area. 332 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239 And she's one of two women in the UK to be burnt at the 333 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,599 steak for witchcraft. As witchcraft, burning at steak is an American thing. 334 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:14,000 For the UK, they would either hunk and then burn afterwards just to being 335 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,599 sure that they had passed away, or they would be swum. And to 336 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:25,119 be swam means that you have your thumb tired to your opposing from to your 337 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:31,480 opposing toe, and you are then placed into water with ropes holding your either 338 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:37,519 side and dunked continuously. And it is said that if you reject the water, 339 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:45,760 then that is the devil rejecting the body of Christ, your Holy Baptist 340 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:52,800 commune, and you are a witch. However, if you die from being 341 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:59,239 swamp and sink, then you're not a witch and you die a noble death. 342 00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:04,280 A lot of these women were men and children were tortured to the point 343 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,119 that they begged for this to happen because they needed the suffering to stop. 344 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:15,679 So there is a story of Mary Luckland and I hope this highlights some of 345 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:24,800 the ingredients needed for such an accusation to take place. And to this day 346 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:31,199 you can find where this happened in Ips which there was a shop that situates 347 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:37,400 where Mary Luckland was burnt at stake. I haven't been yet, and I 348 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:47,760 hope to go and visit, but I hope this shines a light on the 349 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:57,519 fundamental aspects of the accusing and the impact that has an individual who is already 350 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:06,679 suffering at the hands of the tea of lack of social resource, just already 351 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,199 having a really hard time. It's just such an easy escapegoat. When fear 352 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,000 has no place to be put, they always finds somewhere else to go as 353 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:27,639 soon as what it's felt is done is dumb. It's very sad. And 354 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,679 now for the third case study, I have chose this case study. I've 355 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,760 chose it to go last as well because although it is about witchcraft, that 356 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:47,159 isn't the focal point of the story. However, the common theme that can 357 00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:59,320 be found in all three of the stories is that fear unexplained phenomena unresolved conflict 358 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:07,880 that can't be analyzed or equated to something that is within human realm, human 359 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:15,000 means of understanding. All paths lead to witchcraft, and that is what's happened 360 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:23,599 here. So there's been a murder in the Scottish accent. This particular case 361 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:34,000 is set in nineteen forty five in Warrickshire in the UK. Now this is 362 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:38,960 in a village and this case is called the Witchcraft murders. Now the reason 363 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,960 why it's called murders is because there was two similar murders that had taken place 364 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,840 not far from one another, but with a large amount of time, a 365 00:38:49,920 --> 00:39:00,800 significant amount of years in between, and they were allegedly conduct by two different 366 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,199 people. But the one that we're going to talk about happened in nineteen forty 367 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:10,679 five. It happened to Charles Walton. He lived in Lower Quintin and he 368 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,280 worked on a farm that was and I think i've I'm pronounced this correct me 369 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,000 on Hill. He worked on a farm there and he worked as a hedge 370 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,679 cook, a hedgecutter, that's what he would do. And he has been 371 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:30,480 there for about nine months. He lived in this village all his life and 372 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,000 he'd lived there with his wife, who sadly passed away, so he's now 373 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,760 a widow. And he lived there with his adopted niece, so should I 374 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:45,519 say she lived there with him as they addopted their niece around the age of 375 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:52,119 three because her mother passed away. So when looking at this case, there's 376 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:57,679 lots of media attention. This was really thrown in the limelight when it comes 377 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,760 to the media. Was a really essential sensational peace which made it a very 378 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,320 high profile case. So it meant the way that it was investigated attracted a 379 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:15,440 lot of people of notoriety within the police force, within forensic science and also 380 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:21,760 within discovery. To Charles Wharton, he was murdered on the fourteenth of February. 381 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,320 Now this particular fourteenth of February, on Valentine's Day or nineteen forty five, 382 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:34,280 landed on ash Wednesday. He went to work. He was seen by 383 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,719 two witnesses at nine am walking to the walking through the churchyard towards his work 384 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:47,039 place of work, and he was seen by his employer at twelve pm working 385 00:40:49,159 --> 00:41:01,719 on the hedges, and that would be the last anyone saw Charles water alive. 386 00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,719 Now, his niece, who is known as Miss good, she had 387 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,920 gone to work as her uncle had done that morning. When she returned from 388 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,480 work at four o'clock and realized that he hadn't returned, she began to panic. 389 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,320 He was a creature of habit, quite a solid solitude gentleman, didn't 390 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:30,360 really socialize with anyone. There wouldn't have been any reason for him to illogical 391 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:37,320 explanation for his lateness, so she naturally panicked. She went to a neighbor 392 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:46,280 and they traveled to Newham Hill where he was working. They managed to find 393 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:52,480 the employer and together with the employer who had last seen him at twelve pm 394 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,239 working Hedges, had gone to the last location that he had been seeing and 395 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:07,079 they found a gruesome discovery. Charles Walton had been murdered hit. They're due 396 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:15,760 to its own gardening tools to kill him. The pitchfork that he used had 397 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,199 pinned him to the ground through an either side of his neck. He'd been 398 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:29,400 beaten to death using his walking stick, and this has not been proven. 399 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,079 It's not really in his report. However, there has been stories that this 400 00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,800 has happened. A cross had been etched into his chest using his gardening tools, 401 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,800 and there were such deep lacerations that it is said that the tool that 402 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,280 was used to make these lacerations were so deep that he'd dug into the ground 403 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,960 underneath him and the handwood bent. Miss Good, obviously overcome with grief, 404 00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:02,039 was scorted and the police recalled him Professor James Webb so was forensics and he 405 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,800 was the one who established that a time of passing was between noon and two 406 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,119 PM, which made sense because the last time he had been seen was at 407 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:20,199 twelve. Now there was a number of stories of how this come about. 408 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:28,000 Who killed Charles Walton. One story was that he was killed by two local 409 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:32,239 men and this was due to money being owed. However, the identity of 410 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,440 these people had not been confirmed. Another was not so far from this location, 411 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,159 was a prisoner of war camp. During this time, there was lots 412 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:47,880 of different category of prisoners in this location. It was often that some of 413 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,920 these prisoners were allowed to leave the camp and they would either go and watch 414 00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:57,880 the go to a theater, or go to the movies and watch the show. 415 00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,480 And it just so happened that a bus had taken some of the prisoners 416 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:07,239 into town that day. However, after the police had done some investigations and 417 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,960 questioning, they felt that the suspects were not viable, but it would be 418 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,239 the alleged link to witchcraft that made it such a high profile case, and 419 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:28,719 it was the most serious theory that police took. It was investigated by the 420 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:37,360 infamous Robert Fabian, Fabian of this yacht of Fabian of the yard Fame apologies. 421 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,880 He was against the witchcraft at the angle, so much so that he 422 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,480 was trying to look for other explanations. However, what he did say was 423 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:59,760 that he found that the members of the community within that village were so quiet 424 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,440 about the situation that he really felt there was more to this case and that 425 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:13,800 something was being hidden from him. Margaret Murray, the archeologist, also come 426 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:20,199 to the village to stay and to investigate the murder herself. She was about 427 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,760 ninety at this point and she was about nine sure witchcraft was the reason for 428 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:32,360 the killings. Now, the reason for this is numerous. Ash Wednesday is 429 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,599 obviously linked to Christians beliefs. However, there isn't a link to Juadism, 430 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:46,000 and ash Wednesday is meant to be observed as a sabbath that that is held 431 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:52,280 quite high within that community. Within that belief system. It is alleged that 432 00:45:53,199 --> 00:46:00,239 ash Wednesdays are often the time human sacrifice happens. Now, I say edge 433 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,760 because I hear this a lot when I talk about witchcraft, and people that 434 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:10,000 are uneducated about such belief systems come to conclusions like this without really understanding. 435 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:15,960 It's fear driven. So I'm aware of this. However, the argument here 436 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:22,519 is that the less orations were so deep that the blood would have drained from 437 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,840 Charles Walton's body. Now I hear you ask why why is this? Very 438 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,079 Well, it is believed that Charles Walton is a witch, and they argue 439 00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:40,760 that Charles Walton cast a spell hex on the land on the village and it 440 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,000 made the fields barren. Now, I will say they is documented that that 441 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:52,679 particular season was really unfruitful when it comes to the fields and lands producing produce. 442 00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,639 So it was argued that they did this to soak his blood into the 443 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,480 land to release the hex. Now, I will say, I have done 444 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:09,239 research around this area before, and I did a little bit of a I've 445 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:15,800 done some studying on how people would back in the Many Many seventeen hundred and 446 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:22,119 sixteen hundredth century when there was witchcraft and the trials wasn't going to trial quick 447 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,639 enough. So what people would do if they feel like they've been hexed upon, 448 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,360 they themselves would make witches bottles and it would be a stone cup with 449 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,840 items it's sharper items like folks and owls and stuff, and they would urinate 450 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,800 in them and they'll boil it. And it's alleged that if a witch had 451 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,559 hexed them, it would make him feel feel so uncomfortable that they would have 452 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:53,320 to reveal themselves to this person, and then this person would have the opportunity 453 00:47:53,480 --> 00:48:01,199 to release the hex by bartering or receiving a little bit of blood to break 454 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:09,280 the curse. So there is this link, this familiar I won't say theme, 455 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:20,400 but it comes from historical, deep rooted belief systems that are scare mongering 456 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,800 and built on fear. Is still carried on throughout the generation a generation. 457 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,239 You can still see it. They're hiding and lurking. So this is what 458 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,239 they believed had happened. Now, one a reckoned one source said that he 459 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:40,000 had cast the plague of toads across the land to barron the fields. But 460 00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,960 the most favorable one that I come across so far is that he had a 461 00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:52,559 pet toad who he tied a I can't remember what they're called. Now, 462 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:59,079 a rake of some sort tied and he and this toad went up and down 463 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:04,400 the fields and polluted the soils. That's one of my favorite ones that I've 464 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:12,440 read so far. Nevertheless, there is a link so that I said, 465 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:19,280 before the witchcraft murders, there was a lady who was murdered many many many 466 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,559 years before that. Her name was an tenant, and she was murdered by 467 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:32,199 a man called James Hayward. Now James Hayward is recognized as being or believed 468 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:42,840 to be disturbed an alcoholic as well, and he had killed he had attempted 469 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,639 to kill an tenant, which he did in the end three days later she 470 00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:52,599 passed away from her injuries. However, he had actually attempted or a plan 471 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:59,280 to kill up to sixteen different women that he believed or witchcraft. Witch is 472 00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:05,000 sorry, sixteen different women who believed to be witches in his area. And 473 00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,760 when he went to court, because he went to court for the murder, 474 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:10,079 he said he did it to rid the area of witchcraft. So this is 475 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,119 why it's called the witchcraft murders. Even then, they've linked the murder I 476 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,400 suppose to be fair. The only difference between the two murders. Actually thinking 477 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:27,519 about it was the pitchfork. Everything else was very similar and how she was 478 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,719 murdered and how he was murdered. So, to be fair, I can 479 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,320 understand why they've made that link and why they call it the witchcraft murders. 480 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,760 Hmm, that's fair. But yeah, so here we are. Here's the 481 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:45,280 story of Charles Wolton. Now you can the good thing, will say the 482 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,800 good thing. I take that back. The thing about this particular story is 483 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,159 that you can actually go back and see how the media constructed this into creating 484 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,960 this fear mongering. They really went for this angle, and honestly the police 485 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,599 were before it as well. They were going for it as well. Maybe 486 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:05,760 it kind of helped them a little bit because it put ease the pressure off 487 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:15,320 them somewhat too. I have an unseen force as a reason. Who you 488 00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:21,639 in prison? Unseen force like police, I mean, so maybe that's why 489 00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:28,280 they did it. You can trace the story yourself from news paper articles to 490 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:36,719 TV interviews, the news interviews with Miss Good herself, and Miss Good disputes 491 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:42,440 any link to witchcraft, any link to witchcraft, her uncle taking part in 492 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:47,039 it, participating in or even having witchcraft as part of the history of the 493 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,800 area. In fact, she even goes as far as then, I had 494 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,480 no knowledge of witchcraft until we having this, until the conversation we're having right 495 00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:02,239 now, which I find very interesting. So those are my free stories that 496 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,840 I've shared this evening, and I hope that you've enjoyed them. I know 497 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:15,599 it's not it's not an easy topic, and I find that sometimes a topic 498 00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:20,079 can be quite a motive. But it's something that I feel if we speak 499 00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:24,639 about enough, helps raise awareness, helps educate, and it also allows people 500 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:31,920 that are around us to have the opportunity to look deeper into beliefs. I 501 00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:40,400 know that there was a time where I undoubtedly believed in a story because my 502 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:50,320 teacher told me it. I truly believe that an infamous spiritualist medium has come 503 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:57,960 to her own demise, or come to her demise because she was disrupted giving 504 00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:04,639 evidence to entrance. I later found out that she was the last last woman 505 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,840 in Scotland to be found guilty onto the Witchcraft Act and was very much alive. 506 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,920 So I think education is always good. We get to expand our borders, 507 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,400 and we move our walls, and we are able to look at things 508 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,760 with new eyes. And that's the most important thing for me. Education is 509 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:31,239 power, so his knowledge. I hope that you've enjoyed listening to things that 510 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,960 I've spoken about this evening. I look forward to being back next month, 511 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,760 and I really do hope that you'd like to join me. So until then, 512 00:53:42,400 --> 00:54:00,239 take care, I ha