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Hey, welcome back to join the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now we have ship with breaking news. This
is High on the Ball Breaking news on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right,
let's get it started with the road Runners playoff game yesterday. They lost
to nothing to the Calgary Wranglers. It's a three game series, so back
against the wall, yep, back against the wall. Gotta win the next
game. Man. You can't be you know, in a three game series,
man, you can't be losing that first game, and especially at home
at home too. Yeah. That's a tough that's a tough nut right there.
That's too bad. Yeah, So we'll see how it shapes out.
Obviously there's a lot of off the ice stuff that's going on with the team
as well, but yeah, we'll see how they respond. All right,
Moving into the news we kind of mentioned earlier Arizona women's basketball. Uh and
Gilbert headed to LSU. Hell sho, that's the news. So she obviously
landed on her feet. Does she know what she's getting into? Probably if
it was too tough here or is she getting into we don't know the circumstances.
But if it's too tough here, good luck over there. And I'm
sure the NIL has something to do with it. But she can play.
There's no denying that she can't play. She obviously couldn't deal with the things
that come with short. Well we don't know the story, but but yeah,
there's always more to the story. So so there's that, and and
well, what we can't say is that it didn't work for whatever reason.
Correct by saying that, I didn't mean it's one person fall to another person.
Of all. What I was saying is that it didn't work. It
didn't work. And you know, now, you can you thinking she might
be going into a tougher spot. Sure she was already and it could work.
One of the reason that's why I wanted Corey and I'll show you his
meme is kind of like that the kids say, I'm committed, right,
I'm committed to you right until my n L NIL is done, or I
don't get any n AL or I don't get any playing time. Right,
So maybe there's there's always more than a story. We don't know the complete
story. I don't, but I was thinking, Okay, so now you're
gonna go play for a woman, a woman or man who's very difficult.
You're gonna do that. I mean, I'm asking you personally, I'm asking
you a personally. No, I'm not, you know, I mean,
I'm I'm gonna pay more attention to that than anything else, Like, Okay,
I had a tough time at this place. Why do I have a
tough time. I'm gonna go to a place that's the opposite of that,
right, right, Instead, you feel like she's gone deeper into the water.
Right and we'll see the ones that have left the program have done very
well, done well, They've done well, TCU, Colorado, all these
places. So I thought, I thought that was interesting. Now she's a
really good player. She was leading score on tight you know, just you
just don't know what she not doing what was expected of her? You know,
was she not running, you know, on the court, doing what
was supposed to be what she was supposed to be doing. And finally,
you know, he got frustrated with it and just put an end to it.
I mean, you just don't know. But that's a that's an interesting
outcome that she's gonna wind up with LSU. Moving into Arizona football, Scooby
Wright retires from football. He was dealing with the neck injury. He kind
of tweeted about it a little bit, but yeah, he was a legend
here. His football career is over, but she's gonna be remembered and yeah,
so that would mean that he's probably done with wrestling too. He was
trying to do Yeah, he was trying to do wrestling as well, so
I assume yeah, I think he was saying how anytime that he would lift
his arm or look a certain way, you would just have a lot of
pain. So that's yeah, you're sixty years old, sixty four, whatever
old you are. But I guess he's a fireman by trader, I think
he's gonna yeah, yep. Yeah, So couldn't continue with that two star
scubah. Yeah, there is what a time that was when he was here.
Yeah he had Yeah, it is almost as great as a single year.
Yeah, you know it was. It would have been his junior year
as anybody's had here. Yeah. Arizona baseball last night got the win when
they went they're fourth straight so they right now, they're up two games in
the pack twelve as the season kind of goes towards the end of it,
but they're gonna have some big series coming up against pack to twelve opponents.
Yeah, showed me. Ask you. We've covered them a little, we've
had chipon. Hasn't been a season of under the radar, even though they've
done really well, because no one's really yeah poo poo. I mean I
would say it was because I was looking earlier at some of the stats across
college baseball and they're pitching is legit. Yeah, it's it's been And that
was the weak point last year with last year's team was that the pitching struggled,
and this year it's probably the strength. What you said yesterday, you
gave us a ranking because they're all in all well, well, no,
yesterday came the D one Baseball. You know, one of the team,
one of the publications that does rank it did a did a mock n cua
A bracket and had Arizona hosting a regional as a six the sixteen s in
the top sixty. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it doesn't feel like you
know what I'm saying, It's just kind of a season. We haven't really
well because they got off to such a bad start. People just kind of,
I don't know that they gave up out of it. People just like,
Okay, there must not be any good and then all of a sudden
they are. And people who have kind of, you know, stopped paying
attention to them. You know, you have to get them back. Well
you you went. I went to two games. That was a crowd great,
four thousand each game. So Washington State, Yeah, maybe they are,
just no one really says yeah, I mean they they It's still kind
of been low key. I agree with you as far as that. Same
with the women, same with the softball team. Just kind of been low
key because neither one of them got off the great start. But they're you
know, they're both up. They're both in the running to be, you
know, in the postseason. And uh, it's uh, you know,
I don't know, and you know, Steve, honestly, I mean,
people's appetite for sports, there's going to be a general common people's appetite for
sports is changing because people are still paying attention to football season because all the
portal stuff. People are still paying attention to basketball season because all the portal
where before it's over, let's move on to baseball, onto softball or whatever.
You know, people are still you know, talking about all the stuff
that you're coming out out of a football and that's true. But let me
give you this, whether you agree with me or not, I don't know.
Softball the audience is a different audience. They I'm sure they don't care
as much for football, right because it's old. They're still dry. You
go to those games that are full, yeah, and I think it's part
of the resume that they've built, right also, and those guys are those
guys. I'm one of those guys, the older crowd who want they have
time to spend, so maybe some little extra money, and the tickets are
not very expensive. You think that Also us do a little bit with the
location as to where the baseball stadium is no baseball. I think for softball
that's not a big deal because you know, there's there's plenty of places that
you know to go in your park and it's a small park and stuff like
that. I think it was a bigger issue for baseball because it wasn't a
great facility too. You know, uh, now it's beer now and in
Central Beer exactly, moving into Arizona State news. Actually, I don't know
if you guys saw Jade and Rashada is transferring to Georgia. Oh wow,
So watching the draft tonight, we'll probably see Jade Daniels drafted. Do you
think that this will maybe somehow become another star that that was lost by them?
Who knows? But I tell you what, you know what I saw
of Jade and Rashada last year. This is a very ambitious movies made.
He was going to go to Georgia to play right well, and then Georgia
bringing them in, yeah, you know, and then somebody sees something right,
I mean, they're not going to take him if they don't think he
can play correct correct. That is a big move. It's a huge move.
I got golf news for you. I don't know if you saw Charlie
Woods trying to qualify for the twenty twenty four US Open. Oh wow?
Yeah, and what did he shoot? Right now? He's he's shot in
eighty one. That's what I thought I saw, Oh well, right now,
he just started training. Oh okay, I thought ESPN he shot any
one? Yeah he cargs in eighty one? Was that was that? This
week today today. Yeah, uh, he shot fails to advance in the
US Open with an eighty one shy one, you're not fifteen years old?
Front Night or back night. Well that they're playing either, Okay. NFL
Draft news, there's over the day, there's been a lot of belief that
Michael Pennox is going to go very quickly. A lot of people have I
like him, A lot of people have been talking about how he's been just
creeping up. So we'll see what ended up happening. I like him.
I I've been a big fan of his, you know, all last year,
but I'm still pissing in the heisman, so I'd like to see him,
you know, laying somewhere. I love his release. I love it.
It's like he's throwing a dart. It looks so easier with his left
hand, and lefties are kind of special right and it comes out boom boom,
just a quick release. It's like left handed baseball players they're all,
yeah, pretty much every left handed swing just beautiful, so just smooth.
Yeah, it's just a beautiful swing. Big news for your son. He's
a Niner fan, right, Yes, So over the past I think five
hours or so there's been a lot of calls being made for Ayuk and h
Deebo Samuel, and so I think right now the belief is that the Niners
have been talking to teams that are in the top ten. So if they
can get a trade done for one of those that's in the top ten,
and it looks like they wouldn't mind making that trade, why would they do
that? Exactly? These two guys are really good. I mean, once
Sun Devil, I get it, and you know, I mean you kind
of overlook some things sometimes. But but but Deebo Samuel, Holy com.
I mean, that guy's a difference maker because he does so many different things.
Yes, it's gonna be. This is the one thing with the draft
is that you never know really what trades are gonna be made until even at
the start of the draft. So we're gonna have to be on the lookout
see what happens. Maybe it might even impact Jordan Morgan somehow if they if
they make that trade, yeah, well they're I don't know who somebody,
uh, oh it's Malkac or anything posted that he had he had Jordan Morgan
going to the forty nine Ers with the thirty first pick in the first in
the first round. So you know, look, it's it's weird because you
see these players you think they're really damn good and they're indispensable, and then
they're not. Yeah right, oh yeah right, and then they're not.
You know, they trade them off and you know, well, you know,
and sometimes you know, you find out that, yeah, they were
kind of out of gas where they they you know, had some injury issues
or whatever. But it's crazy that that, you know, these two guys
who are really sort of a foundation for their offense. He's too yeah right,
and they're thinking about sending him off somewhere one or the other. That's
some baseball stuff, Dodger stuff. I don't know if you saw that Bruce
Ark gradual had his throwing program shut down. I don't know. So we're
going to see when he comes back. But for right now, I like
him. He's my fas, he's a homie. Yeah. I mean,
he throws hard. He's a difference so hard in the bullpen. He's a
difference in that in that bullpen. So when when well and their bullpen has
struggled this year, ye, we'll see when he resumes that because he was
rehabbing, you know for most of the off season going into this season.
So once, once he can get through that throwing program, hopefully he can
start to get into the miners, get some some start. Unless I heard
Walker Bueller is on his way. Yeah, so he's getting close. He
recently had another start as well, so we'll see how that goes. But
show hey yesterday, three doubles. He's he's he He hit a bomb the
other day. They said it was it was the second hardest hit baseball since
they started keeping track of exsit velocity or whatever you call it. It was
the second hardest hit ball. And I mean he just turned on it and
it was like the outfielder didn't even move. It was just I just woke
up. You guys were finished with Dodgers. The Bears unveiled a five billion
dollar proposal for a new domes. We talked about that, Yeah, came
up, Uh who's that guy? Yesterday? Henry Henry asked, you know,
asked Pat pat Patrick Finley about that five billion dollars and Lake Jesus Dome
too, would be interesting with that Chicago should have a dome, you would
think, right with all the Yeah, as cold as it gets there right
there, on the Lake. I wanted to mention this as well before we
hit out. There's a new soccer tournament that's going to be airing on ESPN
this summer. It's called a TST, so it's like a target score type
of format. So I believe it's target scores six goals, and there's a
forty eighteen men's tournament. It's seventy seven. The goals are smaller and there's
been people all over joining. So celebrities always warmer. It's like the the
Million Dollar Game, the t TBT. Yeah, so this is anybody can
play, Yes, so to put up money for JJ. Watt has a
team, Chatto, Chosinko has a team. There's been a much interesting Yeah.
So if you can get college teams to get get together, yep,
so there could be you can be a college kid and go in there and
try to win a million bucks. So it's gonna be aired on ESPN.
So that's cool. Yeah, anything else, Oh that's the big news.
Yeah, let me say this, Uh, you know a issues issue.
Fans really upset about their sanctions right there, and that they paid her and
four point Foard to get Valie and they paid them and they're upset with that.
Right, Okay, Miller got paid what he got paid I think at
one point seven whatever it was, and what happened in Arizona, same thing
or no, not what because because Miller was never found uh implicated, guilty
of any n c double A violations. Never Herm Edwards signed that, he
signed a document, agreed to the to the to the to the punishments,
basically saying, Okay, I did it or I did something. So Herm
Edwards admitted to violating n CUBA rules. So it's not the same thing.
And supposedly in the contract in most contracts are you can be fired for cause
if you violate n cua A rules And instead Ray Anderson gave him his four
million dollars. That's the difference. So sehn Sean Miller never got implicated,
he got implicated, He never was found h that he proven that he did
anything, and they were never he was He never got n cua A violations,
you know, pinned on him. Even they didn't they didn't even have
I guess I guess in the in the I guess in the notice of notice
of violations or whatever they had him, but they never proved anything. Herm
Edwards signed the document saying I did it. That's different. That's why they're
upset because allegedly, you know, if you have a contract, you can
be fired for cause if you get caught violating my thing is And then he
falls forward and gets his old job at Okay, okay, Corey Williams gonna
join us. We're gonna talk talk about some of that basketball stuff. So
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fifty I'm Steve Rivera. He's jago zaus Now in a foe. We have
former Uba basketball star Corey Williams and the private Batavia, Illinois Corey Williams.
How will you? I'm pretty good? Hell about you? We're doing well?
Thank you. I saw this thing you had on your Facebook page and
I said, yeah, that's exactly how I feel too, a guy or
a player who's committed to the program dot dot dot until the coach hurts my
feelings or I don't get enough playtime or you run me. Oh I run
out of nil. It's perfect, and that's probably how you feel. Yeah,
it's just me poking fun at the changing times. You know, nil
is probably here to say, and you just have to accept the new reality
that there's a way that things used to be that's obviously changed. And the
verbiage of recruiting exchange. It's like, always got a commitment from this kid.
You can't use that word anymore. The word commitment is no longer part
of college basketball, and it's a very painful back to acknowledge. Well,
it was always dicey at best. Anyways, you know, you got a
commitment. You never knew if somebody could flip whatever. But what there's so
many factors now that are going into whether or not a player is gonna flip.
You know, if somebody comes along with it weighs a little more cash
at him, or you know, you know, you can come and play
over here. And the fact that you can transfer and move around every year
if you want to. Yeah, and I think you know, I talked
to a lot of coaches and they all say the same thing, Like the
work that it takes to recruit a kid, to get to know, to
build a relationship, that's part of coaching. And the talented, skuiled coaches.
You know, you can't fake being genuine, you can't fake being a
leader, you can't think being a person of high character. And all of
those coaches are the severe disadvantage now when it comes to recruiting because now it's
just whoever has the most money and gets the kid. So it's a lot
easier now to recruit than it's ever been. And that's to some coaches detriment
because you don't see situations where coaches get an opportunity to win a kid based
on a relationship and have that be the foundation for everything going forward. Yeah,
we realize that really firsthand. We've known this for a while, but
we had a DA on maybe ten days ago, and she talked about how
difficult it is compared to other schools. They don't have any money. They're
chasing the money, obviously, but is it the first reason you see one
guy ex guy or ex girl jump and you where's the first thing that comes
to mind? Or they're getting more money somewhere else. Well, the biggest
mistake that we make is we evaluate these young people is if they're adults.
Just because we're all adults, I can't imagine being eighteen or nineteen years old
having these sums of money being talked about and bantered about back and forth.
These are sums of money that most of these kids' parents don't earn as adults.
So all of a sudden, this kid is in the crosshairs of being
the breadwinner for the entire family. You've got a million different people in your
ear telling you what to do, including agents from the NBA, trying to
manage your career through college. And it's no surprise that these kids transfer and
move from place to place because they're being heavily influenced by all the people around
them. They're not fully baked adults yet they don't know how to stand on
their own and say this is where I want to play, this is the
coach I want to play for. Those types of personalities are years away in
terms of development. So yeah, the parents and the coaches in the agents
will power over these kids and it's going to be musical chairs. Let me
ask you. I know you can't either confirm or anything with this, but
we talked about this last week. Bobo, Okay, he leaves, he
could stay another year if he wanted to. He can go to the pros
or whatever. He chooses to go to Indiana. The word out in the
internet, the Interweb, believe it or not, says he's making going to
make one point whatever one point eight. Whether that's true or not. How
does that work because we were under the impression that international players are not allowed
to get the money. Well, I think it's a question of how their
visa read. They're on student visas that they're not allowed to work. They're
on the student visa. Now, how that plays with someone paying you to
use your image, which isn't actually work. Giving someone present a provision to
use the your image or your likeness without you actually physically going anywhere or doing
anything. I believe that's the loophole that they thread with a lot of the
international players is okay, you can't physically do any work because I would violate
your visa. But then again, I'm not a immigrants expert, but that's
what I've heard said in terms of them. Where the other guys, you
know, they can go out do autographs, signings, photo shoots, grand
opening, so they can do all kinds of stuff for their nil dollars.
But it just comes down to the legal definition of work as far as immigration
is in terms. You know, we've been having a lot of conversations Corey
about you know, the donor fatigue issue. Where's all this money coming from?
How long can this money keep coming in? You know, at some
point parents are going to find out that there's not as much money out there
as they think. Or do you think that this that this can sustain because
I certainly don't. No, everybody knows. As an adult, you've if
you've been around long enough, you've seen several bubbles pops, whether it's the
housing bubble or at Wall Street. You know that things always love lout And
I was selling some friends earlier today to not be surprised at an increased influx
of international players who are coming from outside the United States willing to play for
lesser sums of money for the opportunity to train and be part of college basketball.
That financial force is going to help pop the bubble on nil. It's
probably a season or two away. But there's a number of college coaches getting
twenty five wins and tournament bids with a predominantly European roster that isn't expensive.
So for the fan banks, what do they want. They want to win.
They want their team to make a deep run if you deliver on that.
The fans don't care the origin the country of origin for the lineup,
They really don't. They just want someone in the school that they love wearing
that jersey out there getting w's. So I think the bubble is near.
I think donors who are predominantly businessmen who function a return on investment. You
know, year two, three, four, you're definitely gonna see donor fatigue
because you can call a bunch of a bunch of money at a team like
Kentucky did and get beating the first round by Oakland is not an exact science.
It is not a business model. Money does not equal chemistry or success
in sports, no question though. I think that's that's really a good answer.
And what does it do to the rest of them? If they're bringing
the international players, what does that mean to the locals? They're good enough,
but well, it brings, it brings that puts the furtherest squeeze on
high school seniors. Right now, high school seamers are not even getting looked
at because everybody's worn in the portal first, because a junior from a mid
major is better than any high school senior that's out there. You've got hundreds
and hundreds of players that are actually physically more superior than the eighteen year old
getting ready to come to college. So it damaged high school recruiting. I
mean, yes, he had top one hundred. Are still getting draft are
still getting deals, and still commitments are still going places, but there's not
the in depth recruiting of high school like there used to be. So that's
the first tragedy of this whole nil situation. And then secondly, people have
to realize the doorstrings both ways. If you get an NIL deal and you
underperform, literally your value has changed going into the next season. So hitting
the portal with bad numbers or bad experience or a lack of productivity, these
young men are immediately in the professional ranks. The way that the mechanics work.
Now you've got to live up to the nil deal. You sign,
your play, your stats, your dominance is directly going to be equipped,
you know, equate to how much money you're getting. So, whether these
young men like it or not, or whether they fully understand it or not,
they're in the pro game and that brings all the good and bad right
along with it. Yeah, no, that is and you know what,
and we haven't seen a lot of that, or maybe we are. We
just don't know, you know that, And maybe that's kind of what happened
with the ds T movie. They say, Okay, you're not good enough,
you're getting all this money. You're not gonna I need to get somebody
else in that position. You're out of here, and players are going to
be getting let go like that. Well, you know, because the job
description has changed so much in the past three years. You used to have
to develop talent, be a leader of young men, run a basketball program.
Now you have to be a GM and have to make these decisions.
Is this player worth X amount of money? And the one thing I can
tell you is you're only worth what you played for last So if you come
off a bad year and your team doesn't want to extend you the same MANI
help money, you're back in the portal. Word is going to spread how
much you earned and that you underperformed. So it's a harsh reality that a
lot of guys are gonna have to get used to. Yeah, you can
tell me he's a business guy, So let me explain this to us too.
Cooper Flag is going to do. He just hired a CAA to represent
him. How can you have an agent and still not go pro? You
don't like Caleb, He's gonna go and test the waters, probably not hire
an attorney or an agent, and he's able to come back. How does
the Cooper Flag thing work. I'm not one hundred percent sure of what.
I'm guessing that their hands off in terms of his actual basketball playing, and
they're bringing in districtly endorsements, you know, deals that don't have anything to
do with him going to Douke, Deals that have to do with him probably
media deals, to opportunities like that. He's probably not functioning as a sports
agent in the full effect where they do your contract plus endorsements. That to
me seems like the only way that they'd be able to he'd be able to
quote unquote sign with someone, And who knows, maybe he signed an nil
deal with them. I don't know what their legal status is in terms of
being if an loc or five or one SEA, I have no idea,
but I don't think they're handling his athletic opportunities, more so probably media opportunities
for him. Makes sense. You are thirty years removed from this. I
guarantee you you didn't dream of this moment. No, I didn't dream of
the moment, but I can tell you this. I remember we came back
from the Final four of ME and I was rumored with David Sadamar. We
played in the final four, we lost Arkansas. We flew back to Tucson
and there was a piece of mail. Our electric bill would due, and
the two of us are flat broke. It was like another three or four
days until we got our scholarship set, and we didn't have any money.
And I remember sitting there thinking, how am I a part of this massive
billion dollar machine? I just played on the highest stage in the country in
front of the President, and I'm broke. And I knew at that moment,
as every college student knew, that the system was not going to hold
forever. So you knew you were a part of something that was lockedided and
eventually it was going to change. So I can't say I never saw this
day coming, but now that it's here, it is a little mind boggling.
Yeah, Okay, all our heads are spinning it. Oh sure know
that. And Corey, I'm worried about where we're going to wind up.
Love this, I really am. I'm worried about what the sports are gonna
look like, what is going to be if there is how it's gonna look
you know. I mean, I don't have a lot of time left,
but you know, I don't think we should all be worried because I think
what's gonna happen. I hope it happens sooner than not. If you're gonna
be big boys, you gotta be big boys all the way, and you
have to let the kids unionize. Once the kids unionize, now you can
enter into contracts. Scude, there's no contracts right now. It's just I
want to transfer I'm jumping the portal, give me money or I'm leaving.
Everything is coming go. But if you get some paperwork involved, and you
got unions and cbas between conferences and coaches and players and I mean starry schools
and players, things drastically change because now there's some type of framework in place
that provides stability because you, me and all the other college basketball fans,
we just want stability. You know, we don't want to see a brand
new team every ten months because that's not what we're used to. That's not
something we're going to support. So they've really got to take that final step
and embrace the complete professional model, and then people will begin to understand and
be okay with things. Yeah, I guess that would not be a good
thing for the student for the student athletes, because that'll screw them. But
let's go. Let's move on. We have a couple of minutes. You
already start your your summer league program again for the I can't remember how many
years now, almost twenty probably, Yeah, this is our twentieth seasons.
Okay, man, did you think there was a twenty years? Hey?
I mean I dodge all this stuff because all my kids are middle school age
ten to thirteen. We don't have to worry about nil, We don't have
to worry about any of that, no agents. We just scroll out the
ball and let the kids play. It's a joy to be in the gym
with the young people in Tucson and seeing all the smile bases. We look
forward to it every year. We had so much fun down there. Me
and Delvin Ephon, who you know from U of A Football and also played
with me at Arizona. We just really enjoy giving the kids an opportunity in
a place to play where they can have fun, no pressure. Just come
out, play and have a good time in the summer. Don't think you
worry about is a snack bar full? Yeah, keeping the snacks, keeping
the drinks cold, and keeping enough catch up and mustard put the hot right
right. That's probably the smartest move you did, eliminating the older guys,
because yeah, well, why worry about that and why deal with it?
The kids are fun. Well. The thing about the older guys is it
wasn't my ideas. It was a trend. As Arizona began to get more
and more high profile athletes, guys started playing pick up less and less and
less during the summer, so the very high level players would play in the
Drew League or New York City and the Rutgers, but they weren't they were
too good to play in our league, so we lost that fant appeal.
And then all of a sudden, guys just stopped playing summer basketball. I
mean, they just don't. NBA guys are too valuable to play the pickup
in the summer, so we don't get our alums to play the year.
They guys that we had, they usually all scatter and go home to their
hometowns during the summer. So we just had that one window of time where
we had a number of years where we were able to make that happen,
and then the culture changed and we had to change with it, you know.
Okay, so when does it start. We start June first, but
all the kids need to be at our tryout on May eighteenth. Online registration
Tucson sp L dot com. Make sure you sign up for the open run
eighteenth. Unfortunately, if you're not at the open run, we can't have
a space for you in the league. So we just really want people to
come out and show's what you got and we'll have a great time, Tucson
sp L dot com. Right, yes, sir, Okay, thanks Corey,
Thanks Corey. Guys. That a great day, you too, a
little more enlightened from a lot of the things we've been talking about, you
know, at at whatever, and we were talking about the whole when they
become employees. At the point that that happens, and there's contracts in places,
they're like, all this madness will sort of be if you're a student,
be careful what you wish for, right, that's right, Well,
that's what we've been saying, because remember I go back to that that that
congressional hearing where basketball they invited a basketball player, a football player, a
swimmer, and a volleyball player, and the basketball player and FOOTBA player said,
we want to become employees. And the volleyball player, I mean the
volleyball player in the swimer said, you know, we want to become employees,
and the and the football player and the basketball player said no, we
don't because we want to be able to get as much money as possible.
We can't sure true, and if we don't do well, we can be
fired. Right right, yeah, right, okay, let's right, let's
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is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacinzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Hey, welcome back to Iron the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
I'm Steve Rivera, You're Jagan Zalez. We've got our guys sitting thirteen
minutes left. I think today has been a good show because we've become we've
could become smarter, a little smart. Well, we have smarter people than
Jonathan, Jonathan, John John and Corey Williams. I really like talking to
Corey because it's it's a sensible look at things. You know, back in
the day, when he talked about Cobra and paying into the you know,
he's that guy. He's that, he's that guy. And John is too
forward thinking. Uh, I don't know if you talked about thinking that it's
gonna find find its way eventually or he did at least and you feel better
about it. The question is when when? How long do we have to
put up with this? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And who's going
to solve it? It's the who's going to solve it? N C,
double A, the government which God, God help us, the courts?
And then and then how does it get implemented? And two how long does
it take? And well I saw what hell does it take? It's the
win? But I saw who's the guy from Kentucky that has his book,
who's always on Chapman r Rick Chapan. He talks about we got we got
paid. We got paid. Everything was under the table. It'll probably go
back to some of that. Yeah, it doesn't need to. Uh,
well, if you're getting paid, I'm not getting paid enough. Yeah,
I'm not getting paid enough. Where can I come up with more money?
You know what I'm saying. You know, go to Joe Blow and blah
blah blah, and and what's amazing to me, Steve that even you know,
all these times to Reggie Bush, right, he got a house and
all this stuff. It's like that there are people out there who are just
willing to throw their money at that. Yeah, just what are they getting
from? Well, that's the whole thing I was gonna say in two weeks
ago. What price victory? What price success? What costs? I mean,
I want my teams to win, all right. I buy tickets to
go watch them play because I want them to win. Sure, or you
want to watch a good game. Yeah, but if I've got expendable income,
I'm not doing it on that. I don't know that I'm handing it
over total total total alignment, get private. You know, Well, I
might support the program in some way, donations that goes to scholarships or whatever.
I don't know I don't know that. I'm and Ray wellser probably hate
us for saying this, me for saying this. I just don't know that
I want to sit there and and my money to an eighteen year old kid
who may be gone next year because somebody else is going to give him more
money. No. Corey talked about that, Yeah, you's a rent a
player, rent player, and that it seems incredibly unappealing to me, me
being somebody who I don't have that money to give out right now. If
I had one hundred thousand dollars sitting over here in my couch cushions, and
you know my team is going to be benefit from that, and then I
might have a different attitude. You know, my money, I think is
a little more valuable to me right now, sure than if I had a
billion dollars or if I was a multimillionaire. Sure. No, you're realistic,
and I think the people who listen to us are that way too.
We don't do we have extra income to be buying tickets and and and and
there's all these ends. I'm sitting here coming up on the at the end
of the month that I got to get my season tickets paid for. I
have something to say to after that. Go ahead, right, let's take
this call high you're on the air and iron the ball. I said it
before. The solution is you buy a ticket, you support the program,
not necessarily the kid. Then you bet against the team as insurance so that
you walk away happy. No matter what I think, you live a happy
life in you called last week said the same thing. Okay, you had
your head in your bed. That's what you're doing exactly exactly. Okay.
But you know what, I've done that before. I bet on the team
that I hate. I bet on the team that I hate so that if
they win, I win money. But if they lose, I'm happy they
lost, you know, just I've done that. Just enjoy the game for
good. So here's a funny thing. So Corey is telling us money about
you know, we just got back from the Final four in this big line
that I paid for and we got we have to pay our electric. He
didn't say he paid for that electric being broke. No, I know.
But you know it's funny because that that makes me think of a story that
I did when I was covering football. There was the summer between football seasons
that that I covered and I went, you know, I just went over
to Michael to see who was around. You know, David Eldridge was there.
There were a couple of linemen. They were, you know, working
out in the weight room, and I did just an interview. I said,
okay, what are you guys doing in the summer. And it got
into a conversation about work, that they have no money things right, said,
you know, we can't work. You know, we we get we
get our checks from our our scholarships. Said, and you know, I
told you they've got four you know, linemen living in a two bedroom apartment
because that's the only way they can afford to do that and pay utilities and
pay and you know, pay h and get food in the whole bay said,
I don't have twenty bucks a week to go do something if I wanted
to go do something. And that's how it was. So I I understand
why the players are saying we should have been getting ours for a long time
and they weren't. And what all these other people were. I get that.
I'm I don't have a problem with that. It's just that it got
out of hand and now now that everything's at risk, I think, yeah,
well, look at Okay, let's assume a second the ballow number is
correct one one or one point eight whatever something like that. What's he doing
not working? You're getting paid that to not work because he can't write.
That's what I can't work. He can he can lend his face to the
thing or whatever. Hey I need that. Who doesn't need that? Yeah?
No, I know, I know. It's again and universally people are
saying that it was n C double A who messed this up. Not shocked,
shocked. It wasn't the players, you know, because they want it.
No, No, you can't fault the players. This is this is
a Kitten Clark situation. How do you blame her? Yeah, she's just
what you're gonna say. No, exactly, No, Nike, I don't
want your twenty eight million dollars for a right. I don't want that right
because I'm I don't believe in it or whatever. Right, I'm sorry.
I don't need the money. Yeah okay, or not even need the money.
It's it's about that. I mean, you're gonna say what's best for
you and your family. Yeah, okay, that was good, This is
great, This is a good. About noon, we were like, what
are we gonna do it stood out to be a good day. It's stressful
sometimes. Yeah, I'm with you, I'm heard the show. I'm just
the magic or kicking the crap out of the Cleveland Cavaliers by sixteen first quarter,
second quarter. If you haven't learned anything about the NBA, nothing happens
to the fourth that that is true. I went to bed with the Lakers
up by twenty the other day when I when I covered the Suns in ninety
three, I found that out in ninety three and then ninety seven I covered
law and then Shane Dale, who's you know Shanedale? Right two three years
ago he followed the Sons and says, Wow, I didn't realize. I
said, it's been happening forever. You could have a twenty point lead with
ten minutes left. It could go in a heartbeat. And that's just the
way it is. Because guys are good enough to, yeah, to do
that, and they don't. They don't play defense pretty much. Yeah.
So here we are tonights. There's three games, right, Lakers the next
and the Sixers just started. It's thirteen to ten early that one. That
should be pretty good. Interesting, Yeah, the Sixers or six and a
half point favorite. Yeah, the Magic are ten and a half point favorite.
So against the Cavaliers that's too old as well, and that's it.
That's it. So they took. Yeah, Cleveland is up to nothing.
Orlando's Orlando's the six and a half point favorite, and they're up by sixteen.
That's why if you were thinking about the Lakers, they got to do
it tonight. Otherwise they're done and the Lakers are. The Lakers are giving
one. It's basically an even money money line back the Lakers slightly slightly more
of a favorite on the money line. But I'm hoping. Vick sent me
a note he said he forget to tell us something. I'm hoping. Yeah,
we've got a couple of minutes left. But yeah, so yeah,
there's three games tonight tomorrow. You've got the Bucks and the Pacers. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, t J McConnell and and uh and Ben's not playing.
He's hurt? Oh is he? Okay? You got that, You
got the Mavericks and the and the Clippers. That's one. That one's won
one. And then you got Phoenix down to nothing taken on Minnesota. The
Suns are four point favorites. The MAVs all the home teams are favorite,
the Pacers that are favored by six, the MAVs by four and a half,
and the Sun's by four. So that's what we got going on over
there. Good stuff. You know. I'm I'm I'm watching some of this
stuff. I'm having fun. You know. The Doctor game is over.
I'll go home and I'll i'll put one of these games on. I've got
the I've got the the the nixt game on here on my on my iPad
right now. And there's a great Jennifer Garner commercial. Gabby, I hope
you're not listening. She's in. She's Oh, no, surprise, you're
not out and about. You know, I didn't even go to the casino
once this week. Oh she's back soon tomorrow. Oh you you ruined your
your free time. Yeah, I can't wait for her to get back.
Oh I'm doing I'm gonna do some yardwork. This is probably not gonna like
we'll get to go back. And what the hell were you doing? You
never did, you never do this, and now you're doing this. No,
you messed up the tree. I got a trim a tree in the
backyard. Okay, okay, anybody we have last minutes calls. We got
a last meeting. We got a three minutes left. If you guys want
to call, please do uh five two four one six seven. Tomorrow I'll
talk about We're gonna have Lacy nay Meyer NIGHTMYR. John. She was at
an event over the week. Over the week in California with Coach from Coach
tell me I just lost it coach with other kind of women's empowerment type of
thing. I asked her to come on tomorrow. She has a great story
about her I asked her to talk about nil. She gave me a good
story about her time many years ago, and I thought I didn't know this
story. So I hope she talks talks about it tomorrow. It's it's just
a changing time. Corey talked about it thirty years ago. I think she's
about twenty years ago, fifteen years ago. Who would have ever thought?
And then how they screwed it up. And it's happened so fast, right,
yeah, but that's what happened. All this happened so fast and so
out of control. It's like somebody speeding down down the freeway and going into
the ditch and coming back out. Well that it should change it to nil,
because then it doesn't make sense. You're not paying for the nil name
age. And like you're paying, you're paying the players. You're paying the
players to pay play, paying a play. That's the name of it right
there. Yeah. Yeah, and and and let's let's just call them employees
and end it right and end all this crap and move on so that we
can get some control of what's happening out there. Yeah, the player,
the players wouldn't want that. They just wouldn't want that. Who would not
want that? In Arizona basketball team because they didn't perform well, the guys
were transferred, they didn't play enough, saying sorry, you're not making it
here. So and seeing some of those guys, Steve, like those two
guys, Okay, they're going somewhere so they can play sure, like Morosco
or those guys, because they were you know, they're not starting, they're
not demanding, you know, commanding all this money. They're those guys are
looking to play. But then somebody like Caleb Love, you know, you
think he's looking around, thinking about the NBA. He's looking around, you
know, if somebody comes along and offers him a bunch of money to go
to Michigan or wherever. Oh, he couldn't get into Michigan wherever. You
know, he's gonna take that, and and it's just it's just so so
messy. It's so messy, and it's you. I'm tired of it,
are you? It doesn't make you less of a fan though, no,
m HM doesn't make me less of a fan. But there are some that
it is making them less of a fan because they're just there's the the I
don't know if the innocence of college athletics is gone, whatever there was left
of it. You know, it's just kind of like, it's not it's
not amateur athletics anymore. It's not. Yes, it's not you know,
it's not college kids playing a college sport. It's professional. Well that's the
whole thing. You're paying X amount of money whatever, thousands of dollars,
and you get to the sweet sixteen, you're saying they underperformed? What what
what's gonna happen next year? Yeah? I give X amount of money and
you get eliminated. It's like he said to Kentucky, you buy these players,
and that's what that's what we get out of it. So we got
we got a loss to Oakland, we get welcome to the NC Tournament in
goodbye yeah yeah, okay, okay, all right, this was This is
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