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Stringy Live. I mean, iHeart
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the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay
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Hey, welcome back to join the
ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

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I'm Steve, he's Jay. Now
we have ship with breaking news. This

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is High on the Ball Breaking news
on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. All right,

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let's get it started with the road
Runners playoff game yesterday. They lost

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to nothing to the Calgary Wranglers.
It's a three game series, so back

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against the wall, yep, back
against the wall. Gotta win the next

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game. Man. You can't be
you know, in a three game series,

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man, you can't be losing that
first game, and especially at home

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at home too. Yeah. That's
a tough that's a tough nut right there.

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That's too bad. Yeah, So
we'll see how it shapes out.

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Obviously there's a lot of off the
ice stuff that's going on with the team

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as well, but yeah, we'll
see how they respond. All right,

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Moving into the news we kind of
mentioned earlier Arizona women's basketball. Uh and

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Gilbert headed to LSU. Hell sho, that's the news. So she obviously

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landed on her feet. Does she
know what she's getting into? Probably if

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it was too tough here or is
she getting into we don't know the circumstances.

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But if it's too tough here,
good luck over there. And I'm

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sure the NIL has something to do
with it. But she can play.

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There's no denying that she can't play. She obviously couldn't deal with the things

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that come with short. Well we
don't know the story, but but yeah,

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there's always more to the story.
So so there's that, and and

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well, what we can't say is
that it didn't work for whatever reason.

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Correct by saying that, I didn't
mean it's one person fall to another person.

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Of all. What I was saying
is that it didn't work. It

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didn't work. And you know,
now, you can you thinking she might

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be going into a tougher spot.
Sure she was already and it could work.

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One of the reason that's why I
wanted Corey and I'll show you his

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meme is kind of like that the
kids say, I'm committed, right,

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I'm committed to you right until my
n L NIL is done, or I

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don't get any n AL or I
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So maybe there's there's always more than
a story. We don't know the complete

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story. I don't, but I
was thinking, Okay, so now you're

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gonna go play for a woman,
a woman or man who's very difficult.

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You're gonna do that. I mean, I'm asking you personally, I'm asking

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you a personally. No, I'm
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I'm I'm gonna pay more attention to
that than anything else, Like, Okay,

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I had a tough time at this
place. Why do I have a

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tough time. I'm gonna go to
a place that's the opposite of that,

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right, right, Instead, you
feel like she's gone deeper into the water.

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Right and we'll see the ones that
have left the program have done very

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well, done well, They've done
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places. So I thought, I
thought that was interesting. Now she's a

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really good player. She was leading
score on tight you know, just you

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just don't know what she not doing
what was expected of her? You know,

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was she not running, you know, on the court, doing what

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was supposed to be what she was
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you know, he got frustrated with
it and just put an end to it.

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I mean, you just don't know. But that's a that's an interesting

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outcome that she's gonna wind up with
LSU. Moving into Arizona football, Scooby

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Wright retires from football. He was
dealing with the neck injury. He kind

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of tweeted about it a little bit, but yeah, he was a legend

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here. His football career is over, but she's gonna be remembered and yeah,

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so that would mean that he's probably
done with wrestling too. He was

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trying to do Yeah, he was
trying to do wrestling as well, so

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I assume yeah, I think he
was saying how anytime that he would lift

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his arm or look a certain way, you would just have a lot of

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pain. So that's yeah, you're
sixty years old, sixty four, whatever

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old you are. But I guess
he's a fireman by trader, I think

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he's gonna yeah, yep. Yeah, So couldn't continue with that two star

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scubah. Yeah, there is what
a time that was when he was here.

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Yeah he had Yeah, it is
almost as great as a single year.

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Yeah, you know it was.
It would have been his junior year

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as anybody's had here. Yeah.
Arizona baseball last night got the win when

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they went they're fourth straight so they
right now, they're up two games in

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the pack twelve as the season kind
of goes towards the end of it,

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but they're gonna have some big series
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Yeah, showed me. Ask you. We've covered them a little, we've

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had chipon. Hasn't been a season
of under the radar, even though they've

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done really well, because no one's
really yeah poo poo. I mean I

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would say it was because I was
looking earlier at some of the stats across

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college baseball and they're pitching is legit. Yeah, it's it's been And that

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was the weak point last year with
last year's team was that the pitching struggled,

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and this year it's probably the strength. What you said yesterday, you

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gave us a ranking because they're all
in all well, well, no,

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yesterday came the D one Baseball.
You know, one of the team,

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one of the publications that does rank
it did a did a mock n cua

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A bracket and had Arizona hosting a
regional as a six the sixteen s in

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the top sixty. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it doesn't feel like you

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know what I'm saying, It's just
kind of a season. We haven't really

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well because they got off to such
a bad start. People just kind of,

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I don't know that they gave up
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Okay, there must not be any
good and then all of a sudden

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they are. And people who have
kind of, you know, stopped paying

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attention to them. You know,
you have to get them back. Well

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you you went. I went to
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four thousand each game. So Washington
State, Yeah, maybe they are,

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just no one really says yeah,
I mean they they It's still kind

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of been low key. I agree
with you as far as that. Same

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with the women, same with the
softball team. Just kind of been low

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key because neither one of them got
off the great start. But they're you

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know, they're both up. They're
both in the running to be, you

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know, in the postseason. And
uh, it's uh, you know,

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I don't know, and you know, Steve, honestly, I mean,

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people's appetite for sports, there's going
to be a general common people's appetite for

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sports is changing because people are still
paying attention to football season because all the

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portal stuff. People are still paying
attention to basketball season because all the portal

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where before it's over, let's move
on to baseball, onto softball or whatever.

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You know, people are still you
know, talking about all the stuff

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that you're coming out out of a
football and that's true. But let me

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give you this, whether you agree
with me or not, I don't know.

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Softball the audience is a different audience. They I'm sure they don't care

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as much for football, right because
it's old. They're still dry. You

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go to those games that are full, yeah, and I think it's part

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of the resume that they've built,
right also, and those guys are those

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guys. I'm one of those guys, the older crowd who want they have

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time to spend, so maybe some
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not very expensive. You think that
Also us do a little bit with the

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location as to where the baseball stadium
is no baseball. I think for softball

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that's not a big deal because you
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you know to go in your park
and it's a small park and stuff like

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that. I think it was a
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great facility too. You know,
uh, now it's beer now and in

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Central Beer exactly, moving into Arizona
State news. Actually, I don't know

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if you guys saw Jade and Rashada
is transferring to Georgia. Oh wow,

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So watching the draft tonight, we'll
probably see Jade Daniels drafted. Do you

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think that this will maybe somehow become
another star that that was lost by them?

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Who knows? But I tell you
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of Jade and Rashada last year.
This is a very ambitious movies made.

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He was going to go to Georgia
to play right well, and then Georgia

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bringing them in, yeah, you
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I mean, they're not going to
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can play correct correct. That is
a big move. It's a huge move.

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I got golf news for you.
I don't know if you saw Charlie

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Woods trying to qualify for the twenty
twenty four US Open. Oh wow?

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Yeah, and what did he shoot? Right now? He's he's shot in

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eighty one. That's what I thought
I saw, Oh well, right now,

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he just started training. Oh okay, I thought ESPN he shot any

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one? Yeah he cargs in eighty
one? Was that was that? This

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week today today. Yeah, uh, he shot fails to advance in the

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US Open with an eighty one shy
one, you're not fifteen years old?

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Front Night or back night. Well
that they're playing either, Okay. NFL

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Draft news, there's over the day, there's been a lot of belief that

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Michael Pennox is going to go very
quickly. A lot of people have I

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like him, A lot of people
have been talking about how he's been just

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creeping up. So we'll see what
ended up happening. I like him.

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I I've been a big fan of
his, you know, all last year,

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but I'm still pissing in the heisman, so I'd like to see him,

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you know, laying somewhere. I
love his release. I love it.

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It's like he's throwing a dart.
It looks so easier with his left

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hand, and lefties are kind of
special right and it comes out boom boom,

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just a quick release. It's like
left handed baseball players they're all,

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yeah, pretty much every left handed
swing just beautiful, so just smooth.

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Yeah, it's just a beautiful swing. Big news for your son. He's

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a Niner fan, right, Yes, So over the past I think five

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hours or so there's been a lot
of calls being made for Ayuk and h

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Deebo Samuel, and so I think
right now the belief is that the Niners

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have been talking to teams that are
in the top ten. So if they

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can get a trade done for one
of those that's in the top ten,

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and it looks like they wouldn't mind
making that trade, why would they do

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that? Exactly? These two guys
are really good. I mean, once

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Sun Devil, I get it,
and you know, I mean you kind

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of overlook some things sometimes. But
but but Deebo Samuel, Holy com.

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I mean, that guy's a difference
maker because he does so many different things.

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Yes, it's gonna be. This
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is that you never know really what
trades are gonna be made until even at

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the start of the draft. So
we're gonna have to be on the lookout

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see what happens. Maybe it might
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they make that trade, yeah,
well they're I don't know who somebody,

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uh, oh it's Malkac or anything
posted that he had he had Jordan Morgan

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going to the forty nine Ers with
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the first round. So you know, look, it's it's weird because you

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see these players you think they're really
damn good and they're indispensable, and then

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they're not. Yeah right, oh
yeah right, and then they're not.

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You know, they trade them off
and you know, well, you know,

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and sometimes you know, you find
out that, yeah, they were

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kind of out of gas where they
they you know, had some injury issues

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or whatever. But it's crazy that
that, you know, these two guys

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who are really sort of a foundation
for their offense. He's too yeah right,

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and they're thinking about sending him off
somewhere one or the other. That's

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some baseball stuff, Dodger stuff.
I don't know if you saw that Bruce

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Ark gradual had his throwing program shut
down. I don't know. So we're

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going to see when he comes back. But for right now, I like

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him. He's my fas, he's
a homie. Yeah. I mean,

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he throws hard. He's a difference
so hard in the bullpen. He's a

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difference in that in that bullpen.
So when when well and their bullpen has

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struggled this year, ye, we'll
see when he resumes that because he was

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rehabbing, you know for most of
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So once, once he can get
through that throwing program, hopefully he can

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start to get into the miners,
get some some start. Unless I heard

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Walker Bueller is on his way.
Yeah, so he's getting close. He

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recently had another start as well,
so we'll see how that goes. But

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show hey yesterday, three doubles.
He's he's he He hit a bomb the

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other day. They said it was
it was the second hardest hit baseball since

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they started keeping track of exsit velocity
or whatever you call it. It was

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the second hardest hit ball. And
I mean he just turned on it and

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it was like the outfielder didn't even
move. It was just I just woke

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up. You guys were finished with
Dodgers. The Bears unveiled a five billion

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dollar proposal for a new domes.
We talked about that, Yeah, came

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up, Uh who's that guy?
Yesterday? Henry Henry asked, you know,

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asked Pat pat Patrick Finley about that
five billion dollars and Lake Jesus Dome

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too, would be interesting with that
Chicago should have a dome, you would

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think, right with all the Yeah, as cold as it gets there right

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there, on the Lake. I
wanted to mention this as well before we

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hit out. There's a new soccer
tournament that's going to be airing on ESPN

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this summer. It's called a TST, so it's like a target score type

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of format. So I believe it's
target scores six goals, and there's a

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forty eighteen men's tournament. It's seventy
seven. The goals are smaller and there's

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been people all over joining. So
celebrities always warmer. It's like the the

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Million Dollar Game, the t TBT. Yeah, so this is anybody can

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play, Yes, so to put
up money for JJ. Watt has a

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team, Chatto, Chosinko has a
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So if you can get college teams
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so there could be you can be
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try to win a million bucks.
So it's gonna be aired on ESPN.

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So that's cool. Yeah, anything
else, Oh that's the big news.

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Yeah, let me say this,
Uh, you know a issues issue.

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Fans really upset about their sanctions right
there, and that they paid her and

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four point Foard to get Valie and
they paid them and they're upset with that.

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Right, Okay, Miller got paid
what he got paid I think at

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one point seven whatever it was,
and what happened in Arizona, same thing

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or no, not what because because
Miller was never found uh implicated, guilty

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of any n c double A violations. Never Herm Edwards signed that, he

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signed a document, agreed to the
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basically saying, Okay, I did
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Edwards admitted to violating n CUBA rules. So it's not the same thing.

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And supposedly in the contract in most
contracts are you can be fired for cause

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if you violate n cua A rules
And instead Ray Anderson gave him his four

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million dollars. That's the difference.
So sehn Sean Miller never got implicated,

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he got implicated, He never was
found h that he proven that he did

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anything, and they were never he
was He never got n cua A violations,

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you know, pinned on him.
Even they didn't they didn't even have

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I guess I guess in the in
the I guess in the notice of notice

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of violations or whatever they had him, but they never proved anything. Herm

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Edwards signed the document saying I did
it. That's different. That's why they're

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upset because allegedly, you know,
if you have a contract, you can

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be fired for cause if you get
caught violating my thing is And then he

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falls forward and gets his old job
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Steve Rivera and Jagen Salvias. This
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fourteenth fifty. Hey, welcome back
to eying the ball here Fox Sports fourteen

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former Uba basketball star Corey Williams and
the private Batavia, Illinois Corey Williams.

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How will you? I'm pretty good? Hell about you? We're doing well?

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Thank you. I saw this thing
you had on your Facebook page and

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I said, yeah, that's exactly
how I feel too, a guy or

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a player who's committed to the program
dot dot dot until the coach hurts my

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feelings or I don't get enough playtime
or you run me. Oh I run

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out of nil. It's perfect,
and that's probably how you feel. Yeah,

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it's just me poking fun at the
changing times. You know, nil

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is probably here to say, and
you just have to accept the new reality

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that there's a way that things used
to be that's obviously changed. And the

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verbiage of recruiting exchange. It's like, always got a commitment from this kid.

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You can't use that word anymore.
The word commitment is no longer part

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of college basketball, and it's a
very painful back to acknowledge. Well,

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it was always dicey at best.
Anyways, you know, you got a

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commitment. You never knew if somebody
could flip whatever. But what there's so

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many factors now that are going into
whether or not a player is gonna flip.

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You know, if somebody comes along
with it weighs a little more cash

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at him, or you know,
you know, you can come and play

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over here. And the fact that
you can transfer and move around every year

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if you want to. Yeah,
and I think you know, I talked

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to a lot of coaches and they
all say the same thing, Like the

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work that it takes to recruit a
kid, to get to know, to

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build a relationship, that's part of
coaching. And the talented, skuiled coaches.

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You know, you can't fake being
genuine, you can't fake being a

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leader, you can't think being a
person of high character. And all of

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those coaches are the severe disadvantage now
when it comes to recruiting because now it's

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just whoever has the most money and
gets the kid. So it's a lot

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easier now to recruit than it's ever
been. And that's to some coaches detriment

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because you don't see situations where coaches
get an opportunity to win a kid based

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on a relationship and have that be
the foundation for everything going forward. Yeah,

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we realize that really firsthand. We've
known this for a while, but

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we had a DA on maybe ten
days ago, and she talked about how

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difficult it is compared to other schools. They don't have any money. They're

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chasing the money, obviously, but
is it the first reason you see one

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guy ex guy or ex girl jump
and you where's the first thing that comes

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to mind? Or they're getting more
money somewhere else. Well, the biggest

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mistake that we make is we evaluate
these young people is if they're adults.

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Just because we're all adults, I
can't imagine being eighteen or nineteen years old

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having these sums of money being talked
about and bantered about back and forth.

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These are sums of money that most
of these kids' parents don't earn as adults.

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So all of a sudden, this
kid is in the crosshairs of being

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the breadwinner for the entire family.
You've got a million different people in your

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ear telling you what to do,
including agents from the NBA, trying to

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manage your career through college. And
it's no surprise that these kids transfer and

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move from place to place because they're
being heavily influenced by all the people around

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them. They're not fully baked adults
yet they don't know how to stand on

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their own and say this is where
I want to play, this is the

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coach I want to play for.
Those types of personalities are years away in

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terms of development. So yeah,
the parents and the coaches in the agents

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will power over these kids and it's
going to be musical chairs. Let me

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ask you. I know you can't
either confirm or anything with this, but

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we talked about this last week.
Bobo, Okay, he leaves, he

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could stay another year if he wanted
to. He can go to the pros

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or whatever. He chooses to go
to Indiana. The word out in the

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internet, the Interweb, believe it
or not, says he's making going to

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make one point whatever one point eight. Whether that's true or not. How

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does that work because we were under
the impression that international players are not allowed

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to get the money. Well,
I think it's a question of how their

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visa read. They're on student visas
that they're not allowed to work. They're

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on the student visa. Now,
how that plays with someone paying you to

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use your image, which isn't actually
work. Giving someone present a provision to

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use the your image or your likeness
without you actually physically going anywhere or doing

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anything. I believe that's the loophole
that they thread with a lot of the

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international players is okay, you can't
physically do any work because I would violate

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your visa. But then again,
I'm not a immigrants expert, but that's

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what I've heard said in terms of
them. Where the other guys, you

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know, they can go out do
autographs, signings, photo shoots, grand

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opening, so they can do all
kinds of stuff for their nil dollars.

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But it just comes down to the
legal definition of work as far as immigration

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is in terms. You know,
we've been having a lot of conversations Corey

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about you know, the donor fatigue
issue. Where's all this money coming from?

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How long can this money keep coming
in? You know, at some

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point parents are going to find out
that there's not as much money out there

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as they think. Or do you
think that this that this can sustain because

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I certainly don't. No, everybody
knows. As an adult, you've if

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you've been around long enough, you've
seen several bubbles pops, whether it's the

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housing bubble or at Wall Street.
You know that things always love lout And

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I was selling some friends earlier today
to not be surprised at an increased influx

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of international players who are coming from
outside the United States willing to play for

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lesser sums of money for the opportunity
to train and be part of college basketball.

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That financial force is going to help
pop the bubble on nil. It's

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probably a season or two away.
But there's a number of college coaches getting

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twenty five wins and tournament bids with
a predominantly European roster that isn't expensive.

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So for the fan banks, what
do they want. They want to win.

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They want their team to make a
deep run if you deliver on that.

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The fans don't care the origin the
country of origin for the lineup,

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They really don't. They just want
someone in the school that they love wearing

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that jersey out there getting w's.
So I think the bubble is near.

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I think donors who are predominantly businessmen
who function a return on investment. You

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know, year two, three,
four, you're definitely gonna see donor fatigue

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because you can call a bunch of
a bunch of money at a team like

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Kentucky did and get beating the first
round by Oakland is not an exact science.

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It is not a business model.
Money does not equal chemistry or success

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in sports, no question though.
I think that's that's really a good answer.

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And what does it do to the
rest of them? If they're bringing

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the international players, what does that
mean to the locals? They're good enough,

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but well, it brings, it
brings that puts the furtherest squeeze on

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high school seniors. Right now,
high school seamers are not even getting looked

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at because everybody's worn in the portal
first, because a junior from a mid

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major is better than any high school
senior that's out there. You've got hundreds

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and hundreds of players that are actually
physically more superior than the eighteen year old

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getting ready to come to college.
So it damaged high school recruiting. I

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mean, yes, he had top
one hundred. Are still getting draft are

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still getting deals, and still commitments
are still going places, but there's not

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the in depth recruiting of high school
like there used to be. So that's

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the first tragedy of this whole nil
situation. And then secondly, people have

406
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.519
to realize the doorstrings both ways.
If you get an NIL deal and you

407
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.000
underperform, literally your value has changed
going into the next season. So hitting

408
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:26.039
the portal with bad numbers or bad
experience or a lack of productivity, these

409
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.680
young men are immediately in the professional
ranks. The way that the mechanics work.

410
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.200
Now you've got to live up to
the nil deal. You sign,

411
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.640
your play, your stats, your
dominance is directly going to be equipped,

412
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.359
you know, equate to how much
money you're getting. So, whether these

413
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.039
young men like it or not,
or whether they fully understand it or not,

414
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.799
they're in the pro game and that
brings all the good and bad right

415
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.359
along with it. Yeah, no, that is and you know what,

416
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.200
and we haven't seen a lot of
that, or maybe we are. We

417
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:02.039
just don't know, you know that, And maybe that's kind of what happened

418
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:03.240
with the ds T movie. They
say, Okay, you're not good enough,

419
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.680
you're getting all this money. You're
not gonna I need to get somebody

420
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.880
else in that position. You're out
of here, and players are going to

421
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.759
be getting let go like that.
Well, you know, because the job

422
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.640
description has changed so much in the
past three years. You used to have

423
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:21.200
to develop talent, be a leader
of young men, run a basketball program.

424
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.799
Now you have to be a GM
and have to make these decisions.

425
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.680
Is this player worth X amount of
money? And the one thing I can

426
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:33.880
tell you is you're only worth what
you played for last So if you come

427
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.079
off a bad year and your team
doesn't want to extend you the same MANI

428
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.079
help money, you're back in the
portal. Word is going to spread how

429
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.720
much you earned and that you underperformed. So it's a harsh reality that a

430
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.319
lot of guys are gonna have to
get used to. Yeah, you can

431
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.559
tell me he's a business guy,
So let me explain this to us too.

432
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.279
Cooper Flag is going to do.
He just hired a CAA to represent

433
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.880
him. How can you have an
agent and still not go pro? You

434
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.519
don't like Caleb, He's gonna go
and test the waters, probably not hire

435
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.839
an attorney or an agent, and
he's able to come back. How does

436
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.839
the Cooper Flag thing work. I'm
not one hundred percent sure of what.

437
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:18.200
I'm guessing that their hands off in
terms of his actual basketball playing, and

438
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.000
they're bringing in districtly endorsements, you
know, deals that don't have anything to

439
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.680
do with him going to Douke,
Deals that have to do with him probably

440
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:32.319
media deals, to opportunities like that. He's probably not functioning as a sports

441
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.519
agent in the full effect where they
do your contract plus endorsements. That to

442
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.400
me seems like the only way that
they'd be able to he'd be able to

443
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.680
quote unquote sign with someone, And
who knows, maybe he signed an nil

444
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.559
deal with them. I don't know
what their legal status is in terms of

445
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.000
being if an loc or five or
one SEA, I have no idea,

446
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:56.680
but I don't think they're handling his
athletic opportunities, more so probably media opportunities

447
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.160
for him. Makes sense. You
are thirty years removed from this. I

448
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.000
guarantee you you didn't dream of this
moment. No, I didn't dream of

449
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.279
the moment, but I can tell
you this. I remember we came back

450
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.920
from the Final four of ME and
I was rumored with David Sadamar. We

451
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.960
played in the final four, we
lost Arkansas. We flew back to Tucson

452
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.640
and there was a piece of mail. Our electric bill would due, and

453
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.279
the two of us are flat broke. It was like another three or four

454
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:22.240
days until we got our scholarship set, and we didn't have any money.

455
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.799
And I remember sitting there thinking,
how am I a part of this massive

456
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.599
billion dollar machine? I just played
on the highest stage in the country in

457
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:36.440
front of the President, and I'm
broke. And I knew at that moment,

458
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.519
as every college student knew, that
the system was not going to hold

459
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.359
forever. So you knew you were
a part of something that was lockedided and

460
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.400
eventually it was going to change.
So I can't say I never saw this

461
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.119
day coming, but now that it's
here, it is a little mind boggling.

462
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.400
Yeah, Okay, all our heads
are spinning it. Oh sure know

463
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.920
that. And Corey, I'm worried
about where we're going to wind up.

464
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.640
Love this, I really am.
I'm worried about what the sports are gonna

465
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.160
look like, what is going to
be if there is how it's gonna look

466
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.799
you know. I mean, I
don't have a lot of time left,

467
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:15.400
but you know, I don't think
we should all be worried because I think

468
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.640
what's gonna happen. I hope it
happens sooner than not. If you're gonna

469
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.240
be big boys, you gotta be
big boys all the way, and you

470
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.480
have to let the kids unionize.
Once the kids unionize, now you can

471
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.279
enter into contracts. Scude, there's
no contracts right now. It's just I

472
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.880
want to transfer I'm jumping the portal, give me money or I'm leaving.

473
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.000
Everything is coming go. But if
you get some paperwork involved, and you

474
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.759
got unions and cbas between conferences and
coaches and players and I mean starry schools

475
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:51.720
and players, things drastically change because
now there's some type of framework in place

476
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.559
that provides stability because you, me
and all the other college basketball fans,

477
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.000
we just want stability. You know, we don't want to see a brand

478
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.200
new team every ten months because that's
not what we're used to. That's not

479
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.000
something we're going to support. So
they've really got to take that final step

480
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:13.680
and embrace the complete professional model,
and then people will begin to understand and

481
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.359
be okay with things. Yeah,
I guess that would not be a good

482
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.319
thing for the student for the student
athletes, because that'll screw them. But

483
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.559
let's go. Let's move on.
We have a couple of minutes. You

484
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.200
already start your your summer league program
again for the I can't remember how many

485
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.799
years now, almost twenty probably,
Yeah, this is our twentieth seasons.

486
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:37.400
Okay, man, did you think
there was a twenty years? Hey?

487
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.799
I mean I dodge all this stuff
because all my kids are middle school age

488
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:45.480
ten to thirteen. We don't have
to worry about nil, We don't have

489
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.079
to worry about any of that,
no agents. We just scroll out the

490
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.839
ball and let the kids play.
It's a joy to be in the gym

491
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:57.440
with the young people in Tucson and
seeing all the smile bases. We look

492
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.599
forward to it every year. We
had so much fun down there. Me

493
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.400
and Delvin Ephon, who you know
from U of A Football and also played

494
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.239
with me at Arizona. We just
really enjoy giving the kids an opportunity in

495
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:12.079
a place to play where they can
have fun, no pressure. Just come

496
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.239
out, play and have a good
time in the summer. Don't think you

497
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.320
worry about is a snack bar full? Yeah, keeping the snacks, keeping

498
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.920
the drinks cold, and keeping enough
catch up and mustard put the hot right

499
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.679
right. That's probably the smartest move
you did, eliminating the older guys,

500
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.840
because yeah, well, why worry
about that and why deal with it?

501
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.440
The kids are fun. Well.
The thing about the older guys is it

502
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.440
wasn't my ideas. It was a
trend. As Arizona began to get more

503
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.599
and more high profile athletes, guys
started playing pick up less and less and

504
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.079
less during the summer, so the
very high level players would play in the

505
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.320
Drew League or New York City and
the Rutgers, but they weren't they were

506
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.679
too good to play in our league, so we lost that fant appeal.

507
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.480
And then all of a sudden,
guys just stopped playing summer basketball. I

508
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.960
mean, they just don't. NBA
guys are too valuable to play the pickup

509
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.039
in the summer, so we don't
get our alums to play the year.

510
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.880
They guys that we had, they
usually all scatter and go home to their

511
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:14.519
hometowns during the summer. So we
just had that one window of time where

512
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:15.960
we had a number of years where
we were able to make that happen,

513
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.639
and then the culture changed and we
had to change with it, you know.

514
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.559
Okay, so when does it start. We start June first, but

515
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.880
all the kids need to be at
our tryout on May eighteenth. Online registration

516
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:36.320
Tucson sp L dot com. Make
sure you sign up for the open run

517
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.519
eighteenth. Unfortunately, if you're not
at the open run, we can't have

518
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.480
a space for you in the league. So we just really want people to

519
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.599
come out and show's what you got
and we'll have a great time, Tucson

520
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:50.840
sp L dot com. Right,
yes, sir, Okay, thanks Corey,

521
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.119
Thanks Corey. Guys. That a
great day, you too, a

522
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:58.599
little more enlightened from a lot of
the things we've been talking about, you

523
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.199
know, at at whatever, and
we were talking about the whole when they

524
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:06.360
become employees. At the point that
that happens, and there's contracts in places,

525
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.079
they're like, all this madness will
sort of be if you're a student,

526
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.199
be careful what you wish for,
right, that's right, Well,

527
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.679
that's what we've been saying, because
remember I go back to that that that

528
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:22.519
congressional hearing where basketball they invited a
basketball player, a football player, a

529
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.960
swimmer, and a volleyball player,
and the basketball player and FOOTBA player said,

530
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:28.480
we want to become employees. And
the volleyball player, I mean the

531
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.000
volleyball player in the swimer said,
you know, we want to become employees,

532
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.800
and the and the football player and
the basketball player said no, we

533
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.519
don't because we want to be able
to get as much money as possible.

534
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.360
We can't sure true, and if
we don't do well, we can be

535
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.199
fired. Right right, yeah,
right, okay, let's right, let's

536
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.599
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Hey, welcome back to Iron the
Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.

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I'm Steve Rivera, You're Jagan Zalez. We've got our guys sitting thirteen

579
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minutes left. I think today has
been a good show because we've become we've

580
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could become smarter, a little smart. Well, we have smarter people than

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Jonathan, Jonathan, John John and
Corey Williams. I really like talking to

582
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Corey because it's it's a sensible look
at things. You know, back in

583
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the day, when he talked about
Cobra and paying into the you know,

584
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.000
he's that guy. He's that,
he's that guy. And John is too

585
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.599
forward thinking. Uh, I don't
know if you talked about thinking that it's

586
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gonna find find its way eventually or
he did at least and you feel better

587
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.519
about it. The question is when
when? How long do we have to

588
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:35.920
put up with this? Yeah,
that's what I'm thinking. And who's going

589
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.320
to solve it? It's the who's
going to solve it? N C,

590
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:43.480
double A, the government which God, God help us, the courts?

591
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.360
And then and then how does it
get implemented? And two how long does

592
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:51.000
it take? And well I saw
what hell does it take? It's the

593
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:53.119
win? But I saw who's the
guy from Kentucky that has his book,

594
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.639
who's always on Chapman r Rick Chapan. He talks about we got we got

595
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.719
paid. We got paid. Everything
was under the table. It'll probably go

596
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.519
back to some of that. Yeah, it doesn't need to. Uh,

597
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.519
well, if you're getting paid,
I'm not getting paid enough. Yeah,

598
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.000
I'm not getting paid enough. Where
can I come up with more money?

599
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.920
You know what I'm saying. You
know, go to Joe Blow and blah

600
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.960
blah blah, and and what's amazing
to me, Steve that even you know,

601
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.719
all these times to Reggie Bush,
right, he got a house and

602
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.800
all this stuff. It's like that
there are people out there who are just

603
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:28.119
willing to throw their money at that. Yeah, just what are they getting

604
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:29.880
from? Well, that's the whole
thing I was gonna say in two weeks

605
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.039
ago. What price victory? What
price success? What costs? I mean,

606
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.880
I want my teams to win,
all right. I buy tickets to

607
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.320
go watch them play because I want
them to win. Sure, or you

608
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:44.079
want to watch a good game.
Yeah, but if I've got expendable income,

609
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:45.920
I'm not doing it on that.
I don't know that I'm handing it

610
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.320
over total total total alignment, get
private. You know, Well, I

611
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:58.119
might support the program in some way, donations that goes to scholarships or whatever.

612
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.000
I don't know I don't know that. I'm and Ray wellser probably hate

613
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.239
us for saying this, me for
saying this. I just don't know that

614
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.519
I want to sit there and and
my money to an eighteen year old kid

615
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:12.280
who may be gone next year because
somebody else is going to give him more

616
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.880
money. No. Corey talked about
that, Yeah, you's a rent a

617
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.880
player, rent player, and that
it seems incredibly unappealing to me, me

618
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.719
being somebody who I don't have that
money to give out right now. If

619
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.480
I had one hundred thousand dollars sitting
over here in my couch cushions, and

620
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.519
you know my team is going to
be benefit from that, and then I

621
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.440
might have a different attitude. You
know, my money, I think is

622
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.639
a little more valuable to me right
now, sure than if I had a

623
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.760
billion dollars or if I was a
multimillionaire. Sure. No, you're realistic,

624
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.719
and I think the people who listen
to us are that way too.

625
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.719
We don't do we have extra income
to be buying tickets and and and and

626
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.039
there's all these ends. I'm sitting
here coming up on the at the end

627
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.119
of the month that I got to
get my season tickets paid for. I

628
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.119
have something to say to after that. Go ahead, right, let's take

629
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.440
this call high you're on the air
and iron the ball. I said it

630
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.079
before. The solution is you buy
a ticket, you support the program,

631
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.679
not necessarily the kid. Then you
bet against the team as insurance so that

632
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:20.599
you walk away happy. No matter
what I think, you live a happy

633
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.760
life in you called last week said
the same thing. Okay, you had

634
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:28.920
your head in your bed. That's
what you're doing exactly exactly. Okay.

635
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:30.800
But you know what, I've done
that before. I bet on the team

636
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.239
that I hate. I bet on
the team that I hate so that if

637
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.440
they win, I win money.
But if they lose, I'm happy they

638
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.440
lost, you know, just I've
done that. Just enjoy the game for

639
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.800
good. So here's a funny thing. So Corey is telling us money about

640
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.719
you know, we just got back
from the Final four in this big line

641
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.599
that I paid for and we got
we have to pay our electric. He

642
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.400
didn't say he paid for that electric
being broke. No, I know.

643
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.320
But you know it's funny because that
that makes me think of a story that

644
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.880
I did when I was covering football. There was the summer between football seasons

645
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:07.880
that that I covered and I went, you know, I just went over

646
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.480
to Michael to see who was around. You know, David Eldridge was there.

647
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.280
There were a couple of linemen.
They were, you know, working

648
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:15.599
out in the weight room, and
I did just an interview. I said,

649
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.639
okay, what are you guys doing
in the summer. And it got

650
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.559
into a conversation about work, that
they have no money things right, said,

651
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.119
you know, we can't work.
You know, we we get we

652
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.239
get our checks from our our scholarships. Said, and you know, I

653
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.320
told you they've got four you know, linemen living in a two bedroom apartment

654
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.400
because that's the only way they can
afford to do that and pay utilities and

655
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.760
pay and you know, pay h
and get food in the whole bay said,

656
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.840
I don't have twenty bucks a week
to go do something if I wanted

657
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.639
to go do something. And that's
how it was. So I I understand

658
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.039
why the players are saying we should
have been getting ours for a long time

659
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:59.639
and they weren't. And what all
these other people were. I get that.

660
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.880
I'm I don't have a problem with
that. It's just that it got

661
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.760
out of hand and now now that
everything's at risk, I think, yeah,

662
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.440
well, look at Okay, let's
assume a second the ballow number is

663
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.199
correct one one or one point eight
whatever something like that. What's he doing

664
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.039
not working? You're getting paid that
to not work because he can't write.

665
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.960
That's what I can't work. He
can he can lend his face to the

666
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:29.000
thing or whatever. Hey I need
that. Who doesn't need that? Yeah?

667
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.760
No, I know, I know. It's again and universally people are

668
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.960
saying that it was n C double
A who messed this up. Not shocked,

669
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.480
shocked. It wasn't the players,
you know, because they want it.

670
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.039
No, No, you can't fault
the players. This is this is

671
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.760
a Kitten Clark situation. How do
you blame her? Yeah, she's just

672
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.199
what you're gonna say. No,
exactly, No, Nike, I don't

673
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.559
want your twenty eight million dollars for
a right. I don't want that right

674
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.960
because I'm I don't believe in it
or whatever. Right, I'm sorry.

675
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:01.800
I don't need the money. Yeah
okay, or not even need the money.

676
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.920
It's it's about that. I mean, you're gonna say what's best for

677
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.840
you and your family. Yeah,
okay, that was good, This is

678
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:13.639
great, This is a good.
About noon, we were like, what

679
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:17.880
are we gonna do it stood out
to be a good day. It's stressful

680
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.480
sometimes. Yeah, I'm with you, I'm heard the show. I'm just

681
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:29.679
the magic or kicking the crap out
of the Cleveland Cavaliers by sixteen first quarter,

682
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.760
second quarter. If you haven't learned
anything about the NBA, nothing happens

683
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.880
to the fourth that that is true. I went to bed with the Lakers

684
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.000
up by twenty the other day when
I when I covered the Suns in ninety

685
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.199
three, I found that out in
ninety three and then ninety seven I covered

686
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.559
law and then Shane Dale, who's
you know Shanedale? Right two three years

687
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.840
ago he followed the Sons and says, Wow, I didn't realize. I

688
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.199
said, it's been happening forever.
You could have a twenty point lead with

689
00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.360
ten minutes left. It could go
in a heartbeat. And that's just the

690
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.880
way it is. Because guys are
good enough to, yeah, to do

691
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.639
that, and they don't. They
don't play defense pretty much. Yeah.

692
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:12.719
So here we are tonights. There's
three games, right, Lakers the next

693
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.199
and the Sixers just started. It's
thirteen to ten early that one. That

694
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:20.280
should be pretty good. Interesting,
Yeah, the Sixers or six and a

695
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.719
half point favorite. Yeah, the
Magic are ten and a half point favorite.

696
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:29.199
So against the Cavaliers that's too old
as well, and that's it.

697
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.440
That's it. So they took.
Yeah, Cleveland is up to nothing.

698
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.159
Orlando's Orlando's the six and a half
point favorite, and they're up by sixteen.

699
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:39.599
That's why if you were thinking about
the Lakers, they got to do

700
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.880
it tonight. Otherwise they're done and
the Lakers are. The Lakers are giving

701
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.719
one. It's basically an even money
money line back the Lakers slightly slightly more

702
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.480
of a favorite on the money line. But I'm hoping. Vick sent me

703
00:47:54.519 --> 00:48:00.599
a note he said he forget to
tell us something. I'm hoping. Yeah,

704
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.960
we've got a couple of minutes left. But yeah, so yeah,

705
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:09.679
there's three games tonight tomorrow. You've
got the Bucks and the Pacers. Yeah,

706
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.880
yeah, yeah, t J McConnell
and and uh and Ben's not playing.

707
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:16.440
He's hurt? Oh is he?
Okay? You got that, You

708
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.000
got the Mavericks and the and the
Clippers. That's one. That one's won

709
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.960
one. And then you got Phoenix
down to nothing taken on Minnesota. The

710
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.400
Suns are four point favorites. The
MAVs all the home teams are favorite,

711
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.559
the Pacers that are favored by six, the MAVs by four and a half,

712
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.159
and the Sun's by four. So
that's what we got going on over

713
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.280
there. Good stuff. You know. I'm I'm I'm watching some of this

714
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.599
stuff. I'm having fun. You
know. The Doctor game is over.

715
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.000
I'll go home and I'll i'll put
one of these games on. I've got

716
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.559
the I've got the the the nixt
game on here on my on my iPad

717
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:58.559
right now. And there's a great
Jennifer Garner commercial. Gabby, I hope

718
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.440
you're not listening. She's in.
She's Oh, no, surprise, you're

719
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:05.400
not out and about. You know, I didn't even go to the casino

720
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.360
once this week. Oh she's back
soon tomorrow. Oh you you ruined your

721
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.960
your free time. Yeah, I
can't wait for her to get back.

722
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.000
Oh I'm doing I'm gonna do some
yardwork. This is probably not gonna like

723
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.599
we'll get to go back. And
what the hell were you doing? You

724
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.280
never did, you never do this, and now you're doing this. No,

725
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.280
you messed up the tree. I
got a trim a tree in the

726
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.239
backyard. Okay, okay, anybody
we have last minutes calls. We got

727
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.480
a last meeting. We got a
three minutes left. If you guys want

728
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.079
to call, please do uh five
two four one six seven. Tomorrow I'll

729
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:43.440
talk about We're gonna have Lacy nay
Meyer NIGHTMYR. John. She was at

730
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:49.400
an event over the week. Over
the week in California with Coach from Coach

731
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.760
tell me I just lost it coach
with other kind of women's empowerment type of

732
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.639
thing. I asked her to come
on tomorrow. She has a great story

733
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.679
about her I asked her to talk
about nil. She gave me a good

734
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.280
story about her time many years ago, and I thought I didn't know this

735
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.480
story. So I hope she talks
talks about it tomorrow. It's it's just

736
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.199
a changing time. Corey talked about
it thirty years ago. I think she's

737
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.760
about twenty years ago, fifteen years
ago. Who would have ever thought?

738
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.199
And then how they screwed it up. And it's happened so fast, right,

739
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.920
yeah, but that's what happened.
All this happened so fast and so

740
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.320
out of control. It's like somebody
speeding down down the freeway and going into

741
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.280
the ditch and coming back out.
Well that it should change it to nil,

742
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:36.480
because then it doesn't make sense.
You're not paying for the nil name

743
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.079
age. And like you're paying,
you're paying the players. You're paying the

744
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.239
players to pay play, paying a
play. That's the name of it right

745
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:47.239
there. Yeah. Yeah, and
and and let's let's just call them employees

746
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:52.119
and end it right and end all
this crap and move on so that we

747
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.280
can get some control of what's happening
out there. Yeah, the player,

748
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:59.039
the players wouldn't want that. They
just wouldn't want that. Who would not

749
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:01.320
want that? In Arizona basketball team
because they didn't perform well, the guys

750
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:06.679
were transferred, they didn't play enough, saying sorry, you're not making it

751
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.360
here. So and seeing some of
those guys, Steve, like those two

752
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:14.159
guys, Okay, they're going somewhere
so they can play sure, like Morosco

753
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.320
or those guys, because they were
you know, they're not starting, they're

754
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.840
not demanding, you know, commanding
all this money. They're those guys are

755
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.880
looking to play. But then somebody
like Caleb Love, you know, you

756
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.199
think he's looking around, thinking about
the NBA. He's looking around, you

757
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.519
know, if somebody comes along and
offers him a bunch of money to go

758
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.960
to Michigan or wherever. Oh,
he couldn't get into Michigan wherever. You

759
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.199
know, he's gonna take that,
and and it's just it's just so so

760
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.400
messy. It's so messy, and
it's you. I'm tired of it,

761
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.880
are you? It doesn't make you
less of a fan though, no,

762
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.079
m HM doesn't make me less of
a fan. But there are some that

763
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:57.840
it is making them less of a
fan because they're just there's the the I

764
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.840
don't know if the innocence of college
athletics is gone, whatever there was left

765
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.960
of it. You know, it's
just kind of like, it's not it's

766
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:07.920
not amateur athletics anymore. It's not. Yes, it's not you know,

767
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.360
it's not college kids playing a college
sport. It's professional. Well that's the

768
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.519
whole thing. You're paying X amount
of money whatever, thousands of dollars,

769
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:21.079
and you get to the sweet sixteen, you're saying they underperformed? What what

770
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:22.840
what's gonna happen next year? Yeah? I give X amount of money and

771
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.320
you get eliminated. It's like he
said to Kentucky, you buy these players,

772
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.639
and that's what that's what we get
out of it. So we got

773
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.760
we got a loss to Oakland,
we get welcome to the NC Tournament in

774
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.320
goodbye yeah yeah, okay, okay, all right, this was This is

775
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.400
fun or not be fun, So
thanks for being here. Everybody follow the

776
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.679
podcast. We'll be putting it up
again tonight and we'll be back tomorrow,

777
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:45.880
so be sure to be here.