1 00:00:39,039 --> 00:01:30,920 Tonight's show is a continuation from last week's episode four seventy three, where Matt 2 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,879 came on and told us about that dolphin an encounter he had in the middle 3 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:38,280 of the night in Oklahoma. Let's bring him on here now, Matt. 4 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:42,120 Thanks so much for coming back. Hey, Vick, it's good to be 5 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,920 back. And thank you againing for and finding me back to the show. 6 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:51,280 And sorry for that going over the time the first time. I was kind 7 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,719 of living in the moment when I was telling the story. Oh no, 8 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,319 please don't apologize. That was great. That's what I wanted you to do 9 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,280 to this as much information about those experiences as possible. So that's a good 10 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 thing. Matt. When you came around that bend and noticed that dog man, 11 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:13,080 how close was it to you? When I came around the bin. 12 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Let's see here, let's see from my right side, I could say I 13 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:30,879 were to count in yards, probably in the twenty to twenty five yard range, 14 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:37,840 enough to see again that it wasn't a tree, and it also wasn't 15 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:45,599 a man. I couldn't really give out any details, you know, like 16 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:53,879 seeing cuts or certain masculine muscle features on it. I could tell that it 17 00:02:53,080 --> 00:03:00,639 was blender and tall. Already, the height that the grass was was around 18 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 that four and a half five foot range, so if I were to walk 19 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:07,800 into it, you know, it would probably be chess mint for me. 20 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,439 I'm about five six, and I could tell this. The grass was about 21 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,000 only half of this thing, you know, maybe up to just above its 22 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:23,039 legs. But I could see it had a very slender look to it, 23 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,240 and that's why my brain I was racking my brain on it. It looked 24 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,919 like a tree. I thought I was seeing tree limbs or maybe a scarecrow. 25 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,479 So yeah, I would say about that twenty to twenty five yard distance 26 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:43,639 from that curve on the road, that's pretty close. Then it's hard to 27 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,680 imagine that you surprised it. He said, it was just standing there in 28 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,319 that field when he came around that curve. Considering the fact that your car 29 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:53,319 was a challenger after all, I'm pretty sure the answer to this question is 30 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,800 no. But I'm going to ask you anyway, was your car quiet? 31 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,639 Uh? No, Vic, it wasn't the reason why I say surprised, 32 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:09,800 or it didn't look like it was surprised or shocked. I feel like I 33 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:15,520 had disturbed something, kind of like you're at home or in the office, 34 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,279 or somebody's asking your question. You're deep in your work and you know they 35 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:24,519 have to say hey Matt, Hey Matt, and then you know, on 36 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,920 that third time, you're like, what is it. I'm not saying that's 37 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:30,079 how I respond to people, but still I got that same thing when you're 38 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:32,519 they call it, you know for gamers too, when you're in the zone. 39 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,600 I think it might have been tracking or looking for something. I can't 40 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:42,439 say what, because it wasn't facing my direction of the road. It was 41 00:04:42,519 --> 00:04:46,360 facing the opposite direction, like it was peering into the tree line. It 42 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:49,040 was looking or scanning for something. At least that's what I assume is what 43 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,680 it was doing. I think it would be kind of weird for them to 44 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:56,519 just stand upright. I've heard some stories where people see them on all four 45 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,839 and then they stand up right. When I came around, it was already 46 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,839 upright, just standing there, staring intently into the tree line until I got 47 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:14,079 close enough and it finally just swiveled and looked right into my soul. Yeah, 48 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,639 I'm sure that's a moment that you're never going to forget. When you 49 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,839 first saw it after coming around that curve, you said you thought it might 50 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:25,240 have just been a tree. But if you would have known about Dogman back 51 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,720 then, what do you think of the odds that you would have thought, 52 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:36,959 oh, dog men instead. If I had thought about Dogman, I believe 53 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,240 I probably wouldn't have been as scared. Granted I've heard some scary stories, 54 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,199 but most of the stories that I hear from you vig. You know, 55 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,920 if somebody's getting hurt by the dog man, let's just be honest, they're 56 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,439 not gonna make it to the show. Unfortunately, we wouldn't know of the 57 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,439 story because the person telling the story wouldn't be around. All the stories that 58 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:04,240 you have, seems like dogmen want to project intense fear and dread, even 59 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:09,240 some of the stories where people are on foot and they're up close and personal 60 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,920 with the dog man unless you seriously provoked them, usually with some kind of 61 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,920 violence or treating them like they're, you know, a domesticated dog. I 62 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,800 see your odds are coming out of it with the al right, so I 63 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:28,000 feel like going into it, I would. I would probably not pay as 64 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,319 much attention. I would probably keep my eyes on the road, although I 65 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:34,439 probably would be fascinated. At the same time, I would have heard the 66 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:39,279 stories and then saying, oh my gosh, since a dog man. I 67 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:44,120 don't believe I would have slowed down by any means, but I wouldn't have 68 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:49,560 had that questioning failing afterwards. Did I see what I just saw? The 69 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,720 nightmares probably still would have occurred. I think it has some kind of supernatural 70 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,240 connection or supernatural as respect to it. I can't explain it, you know, 71 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,240 like I said in the first one that I had nightmares, and like 72 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,160 I said, you know, everybody has nightmares, but these were not normal 73 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,480 nightmares. I've never had anything like that, and I've never had any nightmares 74 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:16,600 like that after that encounter. So I know it was because of the time 75 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:20,600 period when I was around and seeing the dog Man or seeing those other strange 76 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,519 encounters on the road. But I feel like, to answer your question, 77 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:27,160 I feel like I would have been a little bit more prepared, but at 78 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:31,639 the same time still terrified, because I would also know more it's running speed, 79 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 what it can do, it's capabilities, and so in a weird way, 80 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,120 it would have been a little bit warm an excitement, but still relatively 81 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,639 around that same kind of fear. As you know, I think they get 82 00:07:43,639 --> 00:07:47,079 a bad rap for being mindless kill you on site monsters, because the numbers 83 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,000 show that's not what they are and it's not what they're all about in most 84 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,079 cases. But I'll be the first to admit, you've got to have some 85 00:07:54,519 --> 00:07:58,360 dangerous examples of these guys out there that will kill you if they get the 86 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:03,079 chance, so I'll never see these guys were safe to be around. I 87 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,560 think I kind of misrepresented my question though, because basically I was wondering when 88 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,319 you came around that curve and first saw it. You said you thought it 89 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,759 was a tree, but you didn't know about Dogman back then. If you 90 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,120 would have known about Dogman being in existence, did you see enough detail because 91 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,399 of the moonlight out that you could have maybe identified it as being one? 92 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,120 Sorry about that big, Yes, it was enough moonlight. As I stayed 93 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:31,720 in the first show, there was enough moonlights to where I could see, 94 00:08:31,159 --> 00:08:35,480 you know, the tree line at you know, not enough moonlight to see 95 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,919 the leaves are green, but enough to see I could see almost every branch. 96 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,080 It's hard to explain, but it's just like when you're in a dark 97 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,759 enough room but there's certain electronics on there's light, you can see the shadows 98 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,120 and shapes of everything, and you kind of piece that together. Well, 99 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,960 that's just lad lights. The moonlight out on those specific you know, that 100 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,840 week was relatively bright, honestly, and that's why I didn't need to have 101 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:07,679 my high beams on. I had a sufficient moonlight. And then also my 102 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,600 regular low beams were all right to light up the road and just enough off 103 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,559 to my left and right of my prethrow of the road. But it was 104 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,679 still dark enough. Like I said, when I was first approaching it from 105 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,360 a distance, yes, it was harder. As I got closer, I 106 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:28,279 said, Hm, that looks kind of strange that My brain instantly started thinking, 107 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,679 Wait a minute. Too tall for a man. Why would a man 108 00:09:30,759 --> 00:09:31,720 be out in the middle of the field at two am in the morning. 109 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,039 At the same time, what could be a tree? Wait a minute, 110 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,120 I know I don't know a lot, but I know some about agriculture. 111 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,720 Why would they just leave one baby tree in the middle of the field. 112 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,320 And as I got closer, I hit that bind and the headlights, like 113 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,519 I said, went out just enough haired with the moonlight. Now this is 114 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,279 brighter than the moonlight. I could see this was not a guy and this 115 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:00,480 was definitely not a tree either. Given the glowing lights after I out my 116 00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:05,159 car, the oranges amber lights looking right at me. Even though it was 117 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,159 a split second that my car is turning right before it straightened out, I 118 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,200 could tell it was black. It was all black. Have you ever thinked 119 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,919 you're lucky stars that your headlights didn't catch it full so that you could see 120 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,039 everything, Because, as you know, sometimes it's best not to know. 121 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,279 Yes, there's a part of me that I'm a very curious guy. I 122 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:33,080 love science, and ever since I saw the dog Men and learned about it, 123 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,120 I've been learning more about other cryptids. My dad, you know, 124 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,960 kind of taught me about and showed me videos of Bigfoot growing up. So 125 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:46,279 I've always been interested in those lurking animal creature types that they're just really good 126 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,879 at hiding. We never see them, but they're there, and you talk 127 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,159 to enough people and they're like, oh, that's not real. They blow 128 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,639 it off, just like I said in the first story, you know, 129 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,960 mom and dad tell the stories or you see on shows of werewolves and big 130 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:03,159 fud and vampires are like, oh, oh that's scary. Thank god those 131 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,080 are not real. Though, well a good amount of those are actually real, 132 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,320 So I feel like seeing it I probably I would have been intrigued, 133 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,799 and I'm still I'm kind of intrigued. For the way some other people describe 134 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:24,159 it, I think the fear would outweigh my ambitions to actually see it fully. 135 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:30,879 I feel like I saw just enough to confirm my suspicions, and I'll 136 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,600 leave that at that. No, I totally understand, and it really is 137 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,759 a shame that you had to live nineteen years and eventually find out that monsters 138 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,399 do exist. I wish you wouldn't have ever had to find out like that. 139 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,960 You said that there weren't any homes or buildings near where your encounter happened, 140 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:52,039 But how far do you think you would have had to go to actually 141 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,600 get to the closest home. So in Oklahoma and especially roads like these, 142 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,600 these pastures, I stated, You know, this isn't just all reserved forests. 143 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,360 There are pastures, which means somebody owns that land. But the houses 144 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,360 aren't typically like you see with the suburbs. You know, you're at your 145 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,120 house and then maybe can feed if you're lucky, depends on how big the 146 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,240 city is of grass or twenty feet of grass, And you could see the 147 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,039 house right from the curve out that far in the country, you would probably 148 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:30,480 have to go maybe a half a mile you know, of a gravel road 149 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,159 to the house, and it depends the entry rate, or that gravel road 150 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,919 may not be onto an off pour of that section of the highway you might 151 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,840 have to go around. Just give an example. Let's see here Cushing would 152 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,759 be north first, it would be south. You might have to enter in 153 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,120 from the west side, or maybe you would enter in the back end of 154 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,600 Cushing and take another back rope to get the houses. And they put their 155 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,080 pastures on the side of the freeway since they know, hey, I'm not 156 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:03,000 driving out that way anyways, that would be the considered that their backyard, 157 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,320 or they're back into the land, so I may have not been anywhere close 158 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,480 to the actual owner's house. There's no you know the pipe pass, you 159 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,720 know our pike roads, who toll roads, there are lights, very big 160 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:18,919 lights, or if you take highways at night, there's lights on regular freeways 161 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,600 as well. Those back roads the closer yard to cities, they might have 162 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:26,519 a few light poles, but once you get into a certain section, there's 163 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:31,799 no lights for miles and you better hope that both of your headlights are in 164 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,240 good working order, and your tires are aired up. Oh definitely, yea. 165 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,799 It sounds like a really removed area. And you mentioned the whole headlights 166 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,240 thing and the tires being aired up. You told us that you didn't have 167 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:48,600 your brights on because you didn't need them. But in a remote area like 168 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:52,159 that, why didn't you still have your brights on anyway? Because there isn't 169 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:58,159 any such things happening? Too much light? I do it now that I've 170 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:03,679 gotten older, I still have twenty twenty vision, but getting to that point 171 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,799 where things are kind of getting a little harder to see, and it's kind 172 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,919 of saddening, disheartening. But when I was younger, you know, like 173 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,600 I'm saying, I've already been on the job for about three years at this 174 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,639 point. I drive at night, all night, every night. I probably 175 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,559 had one day off guaranteeing the other day I was on call. And just 176 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,759 like when we're awake, we're open in the daytime, your eyes kind of 177 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,200 adjust. I had driven so much at night that I had just gotten used 178 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,720 to it. Also courtesy too. Let's say you're in Oklahoma or just any 179 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,919 you know, backcountry part of any state. Your brights are on. You 180 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:50,200 come around and you come around, like I said, one of those quarters, 181 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,000 I don't know there's another driver coming, and now I'm blinding them. 182 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,720 And I just feel like it's rope etiquette to not have your brights on unless 183 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,480 it's a I was always, you know, taught at least for a driving 184 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,840 school, not trying to be a goody two shoes, but I always thought 185 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,919 that you didn't use your brights unless it was heavy rain or like heavy snow, 186 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:13,240 some kind of inclement weather. Now, after that encounter, brights were 187 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,240 on any of those back roads that cars weren't on, you know, down 188 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,159 that road. I had them on during it. Before that encounter, though 189 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 I didn't have them on during the encounter, I turned them on. I 190 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,759 turned them on once I saw it and put my brights on so I could 191 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:30,399 see everything off to my left and right. But before that encounter and all 192 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,240 my routes and trips before that, I just never really did it that often, 193 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:39,120 unless I was on a stretch up highway that was very far out and 194 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:41,679 I could see, let's say, you know, they're you're going up and 195 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,600 down hills and I could see, hey, there's no trucks, there's no 196 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,879 cars. For almost a half a mile to a mile. That way, 197 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,480 I can turn my brights on, nobody's gonna care. But as soon as 198 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:54,200 I see a vehicle come over that hill, I turned my brights off. 199 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,080 That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, when I'm out on windy roads 200 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,480 out in the middle of nowhere, I don't like to have my brights on 201 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,039 either for that exact reason. Yeah, you could come around and bend and 202 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,200 bam there's a truck and you blind them. So unless I'm out on a 203 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:12,320 real long stretch of road where I can see way down the road. So 204 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:18,080 I get it. I understand. After steering you down for a moment, 205 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,279 you said that it ran to the tree line. When it did, that 206 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:26,919 was a running away from you or a paralo to you. It was weird. 207 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:32,679 It was I know, these things have to be professional stalkers. It 208 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:36,279 ran away from me. I thought it was gonna You know, when you're 209 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,799 riding a bike and as a kid and the dog gets off the leaves or 210 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,720 hops a fence in it, it's either running right behind you or right off 211 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,679 to your left. Right, you can see the dog. You're like, 212 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,440 oh God, please don't bite my ankles. This thing did the opposite, 213 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:55,320 like it it knew it was dark, but it got to camouflage. It 214 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:02,519 ran bee line straight to the tree line. It was so fast it was 215 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:06,960 That's why I think it was supernatural. But I mean, we don't, 216 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,960 you know, live around cheetahs. But I'm pretty sure if I sat and 217 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,200 watched a cheetah, right, I probably think that's unnatural too. But it 218 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,359 was fluid. It wasn't like it had a gallop or a hop to it, 219 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,000 or like when you see a long distance runners or athlete runners, you 220 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,559 know, they have that locomotion that that I'm gonna say that that sprinter's run. 221 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,279 This thing almost it moves so fast it almost looked like it was floating, 222 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,720 how fast it was moving like nothing in front of its feet were an 223 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,440 obstacle, rocks, uneven, terrain, it didn't matter. It just made 224 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,920 a bee line to the tree line. And then then it followed parallel from 225 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,759 within the tree line so that I couldn't see it, which added to the 226 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,000 fear because now I don't have eyes on, I can't tell it. Is 227 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,599 it, you know, on the right back inside of my fender? Is 228 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,880 it in front of my car? But I at the same time, once 229 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:07,559 it went to the tree, line. I could still feel it. I 230 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,119 know that doesn't make sense, but I could feel it. I knew, 231 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,960 for instance, I could loved or you know, I didn't feel any any 232 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,960 weird feelings off to my leap. It was all on the right. It's 233 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,279 on the right side. It stayed on the right side. And at one 234 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,440 point when I floored it out, like I said, that the ben had 235 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,920 straightened out. This is why I think they're a lot faster. We don't 236 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,559 know how fast these things really can go. It had sped up, it 237 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,759 just a little bit in front of my my right inside of my finger on 238 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,960 the front, and then it slowed down just a tadbitt to keep pace. 239 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,920 And I don't know if it did that on purpose or didn't know if I 240 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,440 was going to keep accelerating, but that let me know in my mind. 241 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,799 You know, one of those red flags I was able to sit and think 242 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:53,920 about later. I wasn't think about that at the time, was that if 243 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,839 I went faster it still could have kept pace. Or was that a warning 244 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,640 that it doesn't matter how fast you go, I'm gonna be able to catch 245 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,880 up to you with ease. That's not a thought that's going to give you 246 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,960 the warm and fuzzies, is it? No, absolutely not, Vick, 247 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,960 No, definitely not. For some reason, I can't remember what you said 248 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,920 about this. When all this was going on, were your windows down or 249 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,960 up? At the time my windows were rolled up. I was kind of 250 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,599 one of those silent wake up riders. Eventually, I couldna put it. 251 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,160 If I listen to music all night. It's just like if you keep drinking 252 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,039 coffee, that caffeine kind of you get used to it. It doesn't wake 253 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:41,960 you up as much. You kind of need to taste your stuff you drink 254 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,640 coffee. Same for music. If I get in my car and blast the 255 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,240 radio or blast any music, my ears are just gonna get used to it 256 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:51,359 and I'm gonna get tired again. If I kind of saved my music for 257 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:56,599 later to wake me up. And also I prefer my AC my car's AC. 258 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,920 So I had the windows up this night, so I couldn't necessarily like 259 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,039 hear it or any thumping or any any sorts of that. Can you imagine 260 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,680 how freaked out you'd be if you would have had trewindows down? Wow? 261 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Yes, hearing what some people describe, you know, a smell. I 262 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,480 think that would have added to that fear, and I would have been even 263 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:25,000 more freaked out because I was already on edge just by seeing that. And 264 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,880 I'm saying this all verbally. You know, at the time, you know, 265 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:33,960 panicking, you know, like I said, I was sweating. Some 266 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,200 parts of my skin were stinging. Not in a supernatural I'm like, oh, 267 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,160 it's putting a spell on me or whatever. It was like the anxiety 268 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,480 and fear were coming through my pores. Literally, I've never felt any kind 269 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,680 of biological reaction to fear like that. You know, the most biological people 270 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,720 would think from fears trembles or jinners or anything like that. I did have 271 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,240 that, but it got to a point where my inner arms were stinging. 272 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,319 Parts of my you know, shoulders were stinging there. You know, maybe 273 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,240 that was just some kind of SENSEO lock to that. You know, I 274 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,359 was in imminent danger at that time. Yeah, that might be what was 275 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,480 behind that, but it's pretty hard to know for sure what was going on. 276 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:18,480 That's strange. Nonetheless, at any time in your life. Man, 277 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:25,319 if you've ever played with the Wigi board, no, I've always seen the 278 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,079 movies. I'm a very I didn't mention that first story, but I actually 279 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,119 well up into that encounter. I love creepy movies, horror movies. I've 280 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,559 seen The Grudge, Ali, Freddy Krueger's that I'm around Elm Street, the 281 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,640 Exercise. And my household growing up was a Christian household. There were certain 282 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,079 even just cartoons or other movies that were you don't watch this into your house 283 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,039 because you're inviting things to your chouse. So no, and you know, 284 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,640 friends were like, hey, we got a Weigi board. My parents were 285 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,839 like, you know, they weren't with us every second of every day, 286 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,319 but they said, you know, if anybody ever brings this game to you, 287 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,319 you don't play it. And I never played it, and you know 288 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,240 there was a time, well this was way later in my life, so 289 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,200 this is after that encounter, and so that that's probably neither here nor there. 290 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,319 But again even that point, I didn't play it, but I did 291 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,359 watch it, So I'll leave that at that. But I think they're just 292 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,759 pushing to plant chet around. I was wondering what you're going to say about 293 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,960 that, that whole thing with Uigi board, and the reason why is I 294 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 also knew that you had a very religious upbringing. Well with people who have 295 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:33,720 a very religious upbringing, it can go to one of two ways. You've 296 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:37,440 got the crowd over here who you can trust with your life. I mean, 297 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,480 they're just the most straightforward people. On is wholesome, and then on 298 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:45,079 the other hand, you've got people were as soon as they come into the 299 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,119 room, you better tuck your necklace into your shirt because you can't trust them 300 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,799 for a second. So I didn't really know which way that went. You're 301 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,160 trustworthy, but when you were younger, I didn't know if you tried some 302 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:02,079 things that had been off limits when you're even younger than that or not. 303 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,119 So that's why I was asking about that. No, I've nothing like that. 304 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:14,319 I just had a high affinity or or I don't want to say I'm 305 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,799 exactly like that, because thank god I couldn't. But once I saw that 306 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,839 dog man and things started to wake up. But I feel like I just 307 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,359 had a high affinity on the on the spiritual side, I don't like mentioning 308 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,400 it because I don't want to seem like I'm full of myself or I can 309 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,640 do this, I can do that. It's something. It's actually I kind 310 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,519 of wish I was more like normal people. You know. I've always seen 311 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:37,880 things, felt things like I said the thing in the window, and that 312 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:41,039 was really weird. Growing up, I've had times where I was hiking and 313 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,680 because my mom told me and keeping earpiece out, I was able to hear 314 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,720 certain things. I was hiking and there are three trails, and the way 315 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,200 that it works is there's one that's higher. This is a one big sloped 316 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,400 kind of mountain. You got a trail that's up here, and you know, 317 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,359 a couple of yards down you have another trail, and then way at 318 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,480 the bottom, which is not two way at the bottom, probably twice as 319 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,440 many yards to the bottom, there's a trail down there. I was on 320 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,440 the middle trail and I was listening to music, and you know, you're 321 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,279 walking and I'm walking pretty slow. I'm just a kid. I'm not doing 322 00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:17,599 this for athletics. I'm just kind of exploring, liking the trees, looking 323 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,119 at bugs, you know, stopping looking that's a pretty cool looking rock. 324 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,960 You don't just keep going. And I'm hearing my footsteps and it's it's mostly 325 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,759 dirt and rocks, so you know, you kind of have that powdered footsteps 326 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,519 sound. It's not it's not very loud. Now, if you go up 327 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:41,079 there to the higher trail. There is more powder, but it's more harder 328 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,559 rocks, more gravel type of rocks, and a lot of leaves. And 329 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:51,279 I was walking and I noticed something. You know, usually I could I 330 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:59,119 have excellent hearing, excellent eyesight. I could hear and tell based off of 331 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,880 weight. You know, I'm not a h I'd love to know more about 332 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,920 these things. I just like I'm gonna say, knowing. I may not 333 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,640 ever do anything with the information, but I like knowing, And I could 334 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,720 tell if the way or how it hops, Oh that's a rabbit or more 335 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,480 skittish, unpredicted. And then I hear scratching. She just scratch it because 336 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,079 it's going up a tree. Oh that's a squirrel. Usually anything other than 337 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:25,119 that big footsteps, big trotting where their foot goes into the leaves and it 338 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,920 kind of sounds like the leaves shuffle up and then re you know, hit 339 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,839 the ground. It's probably somebody's dog and they got off the leaves or they 340 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,599 let them, you know, they let them go for a second ago do 341 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,799 their business and then they return to their owner. Well, I was walking 342 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:42,400 and I was hearing something and just it was in sync with my steps. 343 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,359 Broad daylight, probably noon about this time, right now noon, and I'm 344 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,759 walking and I'm hearing with my footsteps. So I was stepping one, two, 345 00:25:52,839 --> 00:26:00,240 three, and then I stopped, I stopping to hear one additional that's 346 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,799 kind of weird. Well, squirrels do that sometimes, and maybe it's skittish, 347 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:07,319 and maybe I'm a little too close to squirrel and is now it is 348 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,039 hiding from me because it thinks I'm a predator. So keep walking again. 349 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,039 As soon as I start walking, I stop again. This time that last 350 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:21,599 one. It stopped when I stopped my last footstep. So I look up 351 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,279 to my left and I take my other ear about out and I'm looking at 352 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,839 that upper trail. I don't see anything. I don't feel like I'm being 353 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,559 lurked on. But it was that quiet. But then again, it's noon, 354 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,799 and this hike trail isn't like it's always filled with bird singing and bunny 355 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,680 rabbits hopping around. It's it's not like that you can be there could be 356 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,759 some quiet periods that you know. It's it's that quiet and there's nothing bad 357 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:49,599 going on. There's no predators around, so I didn't think anything of it. 358 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,559 I keep walking again. Now I'm a little freaked out because this thing 359 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:03,039 is only taking steps when I look. So I looked up again. I 360 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,759 looked for it, and now I'm kind of feeling that fear and like, 361 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,720 okay, run and so I took off a little bit. You know, 362 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,160 again a kid, I'm not athletic. I couldn't even run maybe a solid 363 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,279 mile if I tried, or maybe extreme danger or maybe I could have. 364 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,880 But I ran until I got tired enough. And when I took off, 365 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,359 I heard a few footsteps and then it stopped. I think it just stopped 366 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,119 pursuing. I think whatever it was, I think it was more of an 367 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,000 animal. I don't want to chopped up anything, but I thought that was 368 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,720 pretty strange that I might add. You know, there was some things that 369 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:41,799 wilderness said I would go out, and my parents were trustworthier enough, And 370 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,000 looking back at it now, I'm like, if I ever have kids, 371 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,759 I might not let them do that, but you know, they'd let me 372 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,960 go, and I'd get up to this hiking trail and there's no Carson parking 373 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,200 lot, and so that means to me, woo, I got the whole 374 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000 mountain to myself. But then now I'm thinking, as an adult, I'm 375 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,119 like, huh, that's probably not too same. And I was hiking, 376 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,640 and you know, I'm a little bit older. I'm in my late teens 377 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,079 at this point, so it was, you know, I know all about 378 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,680 being aware of my surroundings being saved. At this point, I'm carrying, 379 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,599 you know, pocket knife's nothing crazy, but just something, a little bit 380 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,519 of something for self defense. And I was hiking, and I was doing 381 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:25,039 one of those weight training and I'm hiking up and let me put this clear. 382 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,839 This we call it a mountain. It's by no means a mountain. 383 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,000 It's just a very large oh I mean, I guess for the area he 384 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:33,279 has a mountain. But everybody in my city we make it a joke to 385 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:38,119 say that's that's a hill. And so because it's a it's on the other 386 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,119 side of the mountain, it's a freeway. There's houses on that end. 387 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,599 On this side of the river, there's houses. On the other end, 388 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,839 there's uh you're kind of going towards the city, and on the other end 389 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,519 again more residential area. All this is spaced off. It's not like you 390 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:59,160 can just walk out of your house into these woods. But still there's no 391 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:04,720 there shouldn't be bears. There shouldn't be wolves up here, keyword should it. 392 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,920 Now it is big enough that if they're quiet, knew how to maintain 393 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,160 themselves, maybe out of bear, a wolf or two might be able to 394 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,279 get away. I've seen boxes up there, you know, not too uncommon. 395 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,039 But to be back on track, I'm hiking and I hear crunching, 396 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,880 big crunching. So I crouched down, and I'm in this tall grass and 397 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,039 I just crouched down. I was kind of on this rays area. Like 398 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,640 I said, there's part as I dip and they go down, they go 399 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,480 up, they go down, they go up. So I'm on one of 400 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,279 these upper areas and I'm hearing something lower where I would be walking down tours 401 00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,559 coming out of the tree line from my left, there's a different section. 402 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,279 So the first section I said, where I was being fucked at, that's 403 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,720 more inner woods, not even considered canopy. I mean, you're just all 404 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,079 under trees at this point. This area is more open. It's a rockier, 405 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,599 harder kind of terrain. And I like to just kind of like stability 406 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,279 training, and you know, I just like and join the name nature. 407 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,599 It wasn't all about work. I just like enjoying nature, and it was 408 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,279 kind of snowing. It was cold during this period, and there's snow laid 409 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,599 everywhere, so I thought, man, this is a beautiful scenery. You 410 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,759 know, most of the year you see green or in the fall you see 411 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:17,079 brown, but in Oklahomas sometimes you get snow, and maybe two or three 412 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,880 years we won't get snow. So it was really nice to hike during this 413 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,640 I'm hearing loud crunching, so I'm looking into the tree lines. No vegetation, 414 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,279 so there's nothing really blocking me from kind of looking a little bit into 415 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:33,880 the tree line. A big deer comes running out and it is It was 416 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,200 fascinating to see that. Also, to be that close to a deer. 417 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160 I know hunters sometimes have trouble getting close to them, and they're well trained, 418 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,039 a professional and you know, tracking and stalking deer. And here I 419 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,960 am, I'm so close to it. I would say, let's see here. 420 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,359 I won't say that that close, but if I had a rifle and 421 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,039 if I was hunting, I would have been in a perfect position. I 422 00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:03,960 will say maybe m forty fifty yards maybe a little more give or take, 423 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:12,440 and it's right thigh or back, right leg was it injured. Now most 424 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,119 of the area is open. There shouldn't be there very very rarely. There's 425 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,079 also something that is up there. Not to talk about it too much, 426 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,440 but there is some like a military engineer stuff. I'll just leave that at 427 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,599 that. Nothing super duper top secret, but there. I know there's bob 428 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,880 where probably around that. I'm a guy that tries to stay a glass half 429 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,400 fool or leave some kind of leniency and not just dumped to the worst possible 430 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,039 conclusion. But I am looking at it's leg. I'm trying to identify, 431 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,160 like what kind of would is that, And it's bleeding. It's not like 432 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,000 it's gonna die of bleeding out, but it's a good amount of blood to 433 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:56,680 where whatever hurt it, or however it got hurt, maybe the reason it's 434 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,279 running. But then my head starts to think, you know, I'm we're 435 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,920 in deer. I'm like, wait a minute, we don't have predators at 436 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,759 this area. We don't have predators out here, and what shouldn't be wolves? 437 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,880 And then even if it was, you know, I'm pretty sure I 438 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,759 can make out a dog bite, but I don't know what a bear wolf 439 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,920 bite looks like. I'm pretty sure if I saw it, I could gather 440 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,200 at together. But it wasn't like a big you were, oval shape on 441 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,039 its thigh. It was like a maybe a long scratch And so that's why 442 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,920 my head went to maybe it got stuck or caught onto bobwire and couldn't get 443 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,920 out. But it knows bobwires in animate, it would have moved away from 444 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,440 it. I don't see it full buck running through the woods because I know 445 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,119 deers are also trying to evade predators, so they are very quiet most times. 446 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,240 When they moved. This thing was barreling out of the tree like just 447 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:53,319 any twigs, any branches, thick snapping, And that's why I ducked down. 448 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,319 Was wait a minute, what is that. That's not a dog. 449 00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,400 I've heard dogs that got off the leash and you know Pete that you know, 450 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,000 just excited to be out in the woods, and what is that why? 451 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240 And then it came out and it was you know, it's cold, 452 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,640 it's letting that that thick cloud of its exhale carbon oxide is just exhaling, 453 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,519 and I'm like, it was just so much going on. I was like, 454 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:14,200 wow, beautiful. At the same time, wait a minute, his 455 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:15,160 leg is injured. Wait a minute, what could have energed it? We 456 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,880 don't have predators out here. And you know, I sat there and I 457 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:28,079 started to stand up slowly, and whatever this thing was looking for, whatever 458 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,160 scared up it was so freaked out. I know deers are extremely attentive, 459 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,920 even more than squirrels. It didn't even notice me. It only noticed me 460 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,119 when I moved my foot just a little bit and the gravel made it sound. 461 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,079 It swiveled his head over the right and ran it. It went back 462 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:45,200 in the same tree life, but not where it just went down. It 463 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,519 went further down into the woods, down the direction I would have been walking, 464 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,599 and then way in the back of that. Then it hopped back into 465 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,000 that side of the tree line. Wow, it really makes you wonder what 466 00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,000 had done that to it? Talking about that wound on the tip on its 467 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,920 leg, could you tell for sure if it was just one scratch or a 468 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,920 series of scratches. Trying to bring that out best, I'm closing my eyes, 469 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,679 you're trying to remember as best as I can. I was still. 470 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,440 I was close enough to see, you know, it's coat, the different 471 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,360 patterns and its coat. It was a buck and had it learnest it wasn't 472 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:31,119 a dope, and I can't you know the way the blood was on it 473 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,360 and how s ruffled up that section of its thigh. Look, I couldn't 474 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,679 tell, you know, when you got blood and at all, not to 475 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,199 get too much into you know, detailed and discuss people, but you know, 476 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,800 blood and plasma kind of mixed together, you know sometimes, or you 477 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,159 might have gotten injured and you really don't know until you wipe the blood away 478 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,159 and you're like, oh that scratch wasn't that bad, Or you're bleeding a 479 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,000 lot, you're like, oh boy, this is bad. You wipe away 480 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,400 and it's just a little cut. You really can't tell. But this service 481 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,119 area, and from where I was standing, I could tell it wasn't a 482 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,800 gun For one, there is a residential area and even though it's it's a 483 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,599 wooded forced it area, but no hunting is permitted, whether you know licensed 484 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,960 or not, or you got the hunters had you know a hunting pass, 485 00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,440 or this is not a land you can hunt on. And even if I 486 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,559 would have heard a gunshot, like I said, nobody's here, it's snowing, 487 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,079 it's quiet enough to hear anything go on, So I would say, 488 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,000 I really can't tell. But it was pretty big. It was pretty big, 489 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,440 So that's why I thought maybe it wrestled with a bob wire fence. 490 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,519 I mean, you know, you scratched yourself from the bob wire, it 491 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,800 can make you leave, but I would think I would know, get away 492 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,119 from it or I keep doing damage. I don't know if it it was 493 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,920 so now that I'm thinking it's it's legs is not. You know, deers 494 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,320 aren't are anatomy, so they stand taller, and you know, a bob 495 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,719 wire fence to me would probably you know, depends on how how the person 496 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000 built the fence, but you know it could come up to any level almost 497 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,000 of mean chest and below. But for a deer, you know, it 498 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,079 wasn't this ankle, It wasn't its hoofs area, It wasn't a little bend 499 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,760 on its leg area. No, it was right in the back right part 500 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,679 of its thigh kind of you know, not really even closer to we're in 501 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,079 because it was just right dead center of it. I don't know if it 502 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:29,519 was multiple scratches big. I could not answer that thoroughly and or answer it 503 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,159 confidently. I'll say that, but it was it was a big wound. 504 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,719 I will say that and it was running and it made no You know, 505 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,000 I know these animals are hiding hide and seek type of animals. They were 506 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,559 trying to avoid predators, and for them to make that kind of noise, 507 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,000 you know, run trying to get away from whatever. I'm thinking in my 508 00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,800 head. I've been up here almost all day. I haven't heard anything but 509 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,360 this deer. So what has been up here to freak this deer out like 510 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,199 this? Let alone? Best case scenario. I'm hoping the deer just freaked 511 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:05,280 out and hurt itself. Worst case scenarios. Something hurt that deer bad enough 512 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239 to where it ran like that. It does make you wonder what gave it 513 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,280 that wound. I'll give you that. And I'm sure you understand why I 514 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,440 was asking about if it was one scratch versus several scratches, don't you? 515 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:24,400 Yes? Yes, probably Hopefully, like I said, one of those worst 516 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,840 case scenarios, Hopefully it wasn't a dog man or I'd have to say dog 517 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,199 man, because again, we do not have bears in Oklahoma. Maybe very 518 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,199 far outskirts of Oklahoma, but the town or city I should say, it's 519 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:42,559 not a town in the city I'm in. We don't have any bears other 520 00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,440 than if you go to the zoo. Same for wolves. We do not 521 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:51,360 have any wolves out here. Maybe if I could see if you're leaning towards 522 00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:57,599 a bobcat or something like that, a mountain lion, they're extremely rare. 523 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:05,320 I've seen them one time in the twenty something odd years that I've been to 524 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,119 this hiking area. They usually I don't know if they just migrate or they 525 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:16,679 just kind of come and go like passing kyots. I honestly that's a possibility. 526 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,239 But I mean, this is a big buck, and I feel like 527 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,519 if it was a pack of kyots, I would have seen multiple scratches and 528 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:30,760 multiple areas of the deer, and again I would have heard them. It 529 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,239 was one targeted area. This, Like I said, it was a pretty 530 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480 decent sized buck. I'm not saying it was super massive, you know, 531 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,480 all if I have my rifle taking it down. I'm not a hunter anyways, 532 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,159 but it was something for me to admire. But at the same time, 533 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,840 I'm not I can't say for certain vig if it was multiple, but 534 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,840 there's it's a good chance. With as much blood as that was, I 535 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,599 don't know if it could have came from one scratch. One thing to keep 536 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,719 in mind is if it would have been coyotes, you have seen bite wounds, 537 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,400 not scratches or a scratch, So I think you can take them off 538 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,159 the table as being potential suspects. I agree back, No, I definitely 539 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:15,159 agree. I would take kyles, bears definitely, and wolves off the table. 540 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,440 For then they get this so closer to I mean, it's it's on 541 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,320 the other side of the river, but I mean I would not say that 542 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,960 side of it is the boonies. You know, it's not like where a 543 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,440 dogman could necessarily be. But at the same time, if now thinking about 544 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,119 it, lining up, if the dogman were to travel at night, if 545 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,639 I would have put thought into it, just go riot in between the few 546 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,880 acreage where there's not houses and somehow cross this highway where there's not lights on 547 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,320 this section of highway there's not there's no lights. If it was able to 548 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,039 avoid all that, yeah, I get entered it in through the back end 549 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:58,920 of this hiking trail and it would have a very large acreage of no lights, 550 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,679 no communications, no cars, no roads, no houses, and some 551 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:07,519 pretty decent amount of game there. So I would say a dog men before 552 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,960 I would say a wolf or a bear or kyles if anything, well, 553 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,760 for the reasons you just outlined, there just might be a or several dog 554 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,599 men or dog men in that area hanging around. You never know. You 555 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,920 gave us some details about how that dog me and you saw that night looked 556 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,039 mad. But is there anything else you can tell us about its appearance that 557 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:35,519 you didn't share with this on last week's show. I'll just list what I 558 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,400 remember, and if I remember anything else, I don't not to be too 559 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,800 repetitive, just to kind of help myself rejog my memory. But I know 560 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,400 when I came around the bed, it was black, but the light I 561 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,920 won't say it was had a super shiny coat, but it was just enough 562 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,079 to reflect. It wasn't like my lights going through into the void of dark, 563 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,719 you know at night where there's a point where your headlights just don't light 564 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,880 it up. No, this kind of reflected a little bit of light, 565 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,360 so I knew it was a solid its eyes amber gold color, bright pointed 566 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,599 ears, slender. It wasn't like I hear some of the other dogment stories 567 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,159 where they're super jacked, super ripped. It was on the slender side, 568 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:29,840 like kind of thinner. Let's see your kept pace. And when it got 569 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,719 in, you know, up to my window during the driving section I'm trying 570 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:39,800 to floor it. It came up without any any restraints. It wasn't worried 571 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,480 about hitting trees or weaving in and out of the tree lines to get to 572 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:52,000 my car, and it looked so vicious. Now again, I didn't turn 573 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,480 my head to the right because one I'm trying to keep my hands on the 574 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,039 wheel, eyes on the rope, and but I was able to lean my 575 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,039 head just just teeny bit. I mean, it wasn't in fear, like 576 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,320 my neck was locked. I couldn't look right even if I wanted to. 577 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,039 And I could kind of look while still look at the road, look at 578 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,000 my peripheral and I could still see these Now I see the even bigger but 579 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:28,039 amber orange eyes black. But I feel like when it got closer, I 580 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,159 don't know, it sounds weird. I feel like when it got closer, 581 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:37,400 maybe like not black and brown, maybe a tinger brown. I don't know 582 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,119 how to explain it, but I'm just gonna go with black, amber eyes, 583 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,159 extremely sharp white teeth. That thing that part breaked me out more than 584 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:53,039 just the coat of fur. Or seeing the dog Man. It was long 585 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:59,920 sharp teeth, yeah, And it was the way it curled its lips up 586 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,760 black gums, and it it just like I said, when it flewly went 587 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,400 into the bee line into the tree line, it did the same thing even 588 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,760 off the road. It just almost like it vanished right back into the tree 589 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,719 line. It paced me until I got to Bristol, or the until I 590 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,119 got to like the border of Bristol. Those are the only details that I 591 00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:25,079 could come up with. And you know, to kind of give leeway there, 592 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,400 you know, I know, listener or listening to you know, or 593 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,159 kind of giving leeway to me too as I'm driving. Also I'm driving at 594 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,239 higher speed. It wasn't really like I had a whole lot of time like 595 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,559 with the Hitchhiker shape Shifter people, where I kind of slowed down. I 596 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:47,119 didn't feel feel like I was in as imminent danger or death coming for me, 597 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,719 so I kind of slowed down. I could just dribe more details about 598 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,760 them because I was doing roughly between thirty thirty five and forty as I'm approaching 599 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,360 those people. But for the Dogman, it was strictly get out alive, 600 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,920 get out of here right now, and so the details I had gathered for 601 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:10,079 the quick few glances that either looked after the room in the beginning encounter and 602 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:14,639 somewhere in the middle towards the end when it approached and kind of got up 603 00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:20,039 close to my passenger side window before it went off into the tree line again. 604 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,400 After that it stayed all within the dark of the tree line, and 605 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,960 then I hit the border of Bristol. All that just dissipated, just just 606 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,039 went away. And after that I've never seen where or got that kind of 607 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,840 scary sits failing that, Oh my god, I'm going through it again. 608 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,960 The dogment is back. I've never Those are the only details I got from 609 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,239 that occurrence. I'm so glad you haven't had an experience like that or a 610 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,840 feeling like that since it happened. Yeah, thank goodness for that. You 611 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,360 were religious before that experience happened. Did having it draw you closer to God? 612 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:06,000 Yes? Absolutely? Surprise you actually ask that, yes, mostly because 613 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,760 there are scriptures that say that there are principalities. You don't know that evil 614 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:19,840 things, evil spirits, evil doers, and high places. Meaning I can 615 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,920 walk, I can talk, I can breathe, I can get a water, 616 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,840 I can swim. I'm not water. Well, we're made of water, 617 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,519 yes, but I can't just say okay, I'm gonna go in to 618 00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,639 water. I don't have to breathe. There are things that don't have limitations, 619 00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:34,360 that mean to do you harm. And so you know, as a 620 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,320 kid growing up, like you know you're sitting in church, you know you're 621 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,039 like, oh, okay, yeah, I don't know what that means, 622 00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:44,039 but okay, you know you're a little kid. As I got older to 623 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:50,960 really read and understand as it hits different, I've always protected during anything. 624 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,360 You know, I should walk through the battle. Excuse me, I shall 625 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,320 walk through the valley of shadow and death, and I shall fear no evil. 626 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,199 Very powerful, and you know most people thinks, you know, where 627 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,599 could you apply that at anything? I mean, you could live in a 628 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,679 rough neighborhood and say I gotta go to gig groceries. But there's a dangerous 629 00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,360 area. You know, they robbed people here at this store almost every other 630 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,760 Tuesday. Every other day. You could walk at that store, store might 631 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,840 get robbed. You'll be all right. And I feel like that took that 632 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:30,760 a level further because I could have been one of the very few just maybe 633 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,800 the one percenter of Dogman that actually had it caught me, could have hurt 634 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,480 me. It never caught me. The hitchhikers never, I did not let 635 00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:44,119 them in the car. I feel like those are the senses that snapped me 636 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:45,639 back into reality because, like I said, with one of them, I 637 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:51,559 was about to open the door and that overwhelming stop, like you could hear 638 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,880 verbaling your ina. I was like, wait a minute. You know, 639 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,880 I am one of those people. I try to stay humble. I don't 640 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,920 give myself all the credit world. I'm a superpower, superhuman pertine. I 641 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,840 mean, we do have sense this, we do have common sense, yes, 642 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,440 but I feel like there's something that guides me in the right direction and 643 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,119 always protecting me. So when I encounter that, you know, I'm not 644 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,199 even gonna lie. You know, when I first said, was that a 645 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,000 demon? You know, I didn't, you know, I'm thinking werewolf, 646 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,280 But I was like, no, any monsters, anything that is unhuman or 647 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,360 you know, unclean abomination. So that has to be a demon that's demonic. 648 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:35,599 And so you know, it's really weird because they got aliens and big 649 00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:42,559 Foot and maybe they're just some kind of evolution of you know, I don't 650 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,199 like, it's very hard. That's where it gets into the gray area of 651 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,360 the history of these things. What are they? Like you say, did 652 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,199 they come straight from the ether? Are they coming from somewhere? I was 653 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:58,000 listening to another episode yesterday actually from a lady and they you know, we 654 00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,119 might have a few fossil kords of Thickfoot, so it's a little bit more 655 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:07,480 easier to approved we have no fossil records of dogment. Are they coming from 656 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:14,079 somewhere else? Where are they coming from? And so that's kind of very 657 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,679 not But to answer your question, yes, I feel like that has brought 658 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,559 me a lot more closer to God. And when I quote those things in 659 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,159 time of fear or even when I'm not in fear, to just hey, 660 00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:28,480 sometimes you have to be You might not be scared, but the person next 661 00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:30,800 to you, whatever they're going through, and it doesn't have to be a 662 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,639 dogment and karter might be scared of something. By you being brave helps them 663 00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,800 be brave, even if there wasn't a moment for you to chest up and 664 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:45,039 feel like you need to be brave because you knew God had you. It's 665 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,119 that, Hey, if I exude this bravery, this person will know it's 666 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,760 okay and they can be brave too if they don't have it in them. 667 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,360 And so that's just kind of you know where I stand. You know, 668 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,920 I just always about helping people. But yes, I don't say that as 669 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,159 definitely brought me closer closer to guide in that aspect. As you know, 670 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,920 if you can answer yes to that question, then I guess that encounter wasn't 671 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,760 all bad. So that's a great thing having so much faith as you do, 672 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,199 Matt, were you surprised by how that experience affected you? Yes, 673 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:25,840 I would say. There's a verse about joke, and there's a guy who 674 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,920 he suffered a lot, and he didn't necessarily do anything to deserve it, 675 00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:36,400 and he even asked God at one point he said, I know I was 676 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,280 not created to be born and to die and to suffer. You know, 677 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,639 he prayed for more, prayed for a better life. And you know, 678 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,159 at the time I'm going through these things, I'm like, why is this 679 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,480 allowed to be happening? Why is this happening to me? But I feel 680 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,239 like overall it made me a stronger character. Like you said, it made 681 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,800 have been all bad. I prayed, you know, there might have been 682 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,280 some other things going on in my life. But it wasn't really anything. 683 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,400 I don't feel significant. But see, some of the things we do we 684 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,519 feel aren't significant, are actually great, you know, and it's value and 685 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:14,039 it's told that we do. And so I mean, I wasn't doing anything 686 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,400 bad, was hurting anybody, wasn't doing anything all. It was all I 687 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:22,079 had the energy to do during this time with go to work, go home, 688 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,159 pay the bills, and the kind of a repetitive cycle. I'm in 689 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:29,039 a better career standpoint right now, so I'm not kind of going through that. 690 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,400 You know, I'm not just in a rat race. But that's neither 691 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,840 here nor there. I don't really feel like I did anything that warranted or 692 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,719 deserved that kind of level of evilness projected towards me. But then see, 693 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:44,320 then again, evil doesn't really care if you're a good or bad person. 694 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,440 Evil doesn't hurt evil people. Evil hurts good people, hurts anybody that it 695 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,320 can possibly get its evil hands on. So to saying there is something that 696 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,639 when you ask that I do want to bring up, I've never done. 697 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,239 You asked this question earlier. I've never done a Wuiji boar, and I 698 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,519 forgot about it. I wasn't skipping it or hiding it. This is these 699 00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:07,880 questions you've asked kind of prompt today. I did something called lucid dreaming a 700 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,920 long time ago. I was a younger teenager and I'm an older teenager. 701 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,960 You're a younger teenager. And I didn't know a whole lot about it. 702 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,480 I just thought it sound cool, and I said, oh man, that'd 703 00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,920 be awesome to try it out. And you know, I did the whole 704 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,519 sit still thing, and I felt really weird, and I felt like a 705 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:32,239 mind you and my belief system, you don't do that. That's not you 706 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,039 know, if these things happen to you, Okay, then they happen to 707 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:42,159 you, but you don't, like I said, like with the dog man, 708 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,280 I don't go to accent a row. I don't welcome it in. 709 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,159 If it, like I said, it happened, it happened. But I 710 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,880 don't go calling out for the dog men to come at me, because then 711 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,159 now now you're kind of a bad situation. So I wasn't really supposed to 712 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,559 do this, at least from far of my belief system. If anybody believes 713 00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,599 anything else, that's perfectly fine. It might work for you, just doesn't 714 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:09,599 work for me. But when I did this, I later on figured out 715 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:14,840 that people were telling me like, oh, you should have did more research. 716 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,000 That's the way to open your third eye. And people were saying, 717 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,719 no, you didn't, you didn't lose it dream you astro projected, And 718 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,679 I was like, I kind of was sad because there's levels to it, 719 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,400 and I didn't want to do any of that. None of that sound cool 720 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,000 to me. I just wanted to be able to control my dreams and maybe 721 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,559 like driver Lamborghini and actually have control and not beer off the road into like 722 00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:38,800 a cookie factory. Just something dumb. I was like, I just wanted 723 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,639 to try and test out, saying can I control my dreams? And for 724 00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,599 the most part, I had three dreams I could. He said, I 725 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:50,679 wanted to see a beach. I woke up on the other side of this 726 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,880 wooden fence and I clamed the fence and right on the other side fence with 727 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,199 Sam and a beach. I can hear the water, I can see it, 728 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,760 I can smell desault, and I've seen all these little holes and set 729 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,440 what is that kind of you know, not freaked than or what the world 730 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,079 was a baby sea turtles coming out of it and all going towards the water, 731 00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:16,039 and I said, and I'm in the dream and I'm thinking it's almost 732 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,719 if you've ever seen the movie Inception, I said, wow, I really 733 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,280 can't do it. And there was a point where I don't know why or 734 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,519 how, because I again I was a teenager, but I was driving a 735 00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,079 car, got pulled over. I'm gonna see if this is gonna work. 736 00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:37,800 No, she's about to get me a ticket. I forgot what I said 737 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,599 or how I did it. I told her something. She's like, oh, 738 00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,079 okay, well carry on. Didn't get me a ticket. No warning, 739 00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:45,039 Just I mean, well, yeah, warning. I'm not like a 740 00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:51,119 written citation. And I said, I really can't control because the first one 741 00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,000 was urban. I guess you could say control control the environment. I wanted 742 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,400 to see what was my interaction with people in a dream, and I didn't 743 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,000 get a ticket. Well, when I woke up, you know, started 744 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:07,920 doing more research, I was like, that's a no no in the Christianity 745 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,119 world, I shouldn't have done that. So I hadn't encountered anything scary. 746 00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:17,440 Immediately after that, no, unwanted astro projections all being pulled out of my 747 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,239 body and then something weird is trying to talk to me or nothing. Actually 748 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,519 I let it go because it's a practice kind of thing. I stopped practicing 749 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,639 and stop trying to do lucid dreaming. I just went to sleep. Whatever 750 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,039 dream I have, I haven't and so I don't know. You know, 751 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:36,800 maybe I don't know if that correlates to her. If I've ever used a 752 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,800 Weiji board thing, but I've prayed about it. If it is open, 753 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,360 I prayed for it to be closed. Some people say, well, maybe 754 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:45,639 it was halfway open. I don't. I don't know if there's a half 755 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:50,360 I think it either is or it isn't open. But that's neither here nor 756 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,880 there. But I just wanted to throw that out because I've never used a 757 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,039 Weiji board. But that was one spiritual thing you could say that I did 758 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,719 that. I thought it was a cool mind trick you're doing for your dreams, 759 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,239 like in rim. No, this was you know, like I said, 760 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,639 When I first was doing it, I felt like I was leaving my 761 00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:15,199 body and I was like, yes, it was a very weak. I 762 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,039 can't describe it. Now you're getting, like you said, the ether stuff. 763 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,480 You're getting into some that isn't just the laws of physics. If I 764 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:27,039 dropped this apple, it will hit the ground. It's I can't explain those 765 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,719 kind of physics in that aspect. But yeah, I wanted to answer that 766 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,239 previous custry when I said, no, I've never used a Weiji word, 767 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,199 but I have done lucid dreaming, which it turns out it goes hand in 768 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,559 hell with astral projection, which is a spiritual, a self spiritual kind of 769 00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:49,079 thing. Well, I can understand your concerns and you wondering about that possibly 770 00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,000 predisposing you to having that dog me An encounter and maybe some of the other 771 00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,920 experiences. But I'd be awfully surprised if it had anything to do with it. 772 00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,679 I really would. From what I hear. You're Matt, you've got 773 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:06,599 a trip plan. I'm working to tell us about that. Yeah, yeah, 774 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,400 that's hold Thick. In the beginning of the show, I'm going camping. 775 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:15,079 I hope I don't call back. I haven't went camping in years. 776 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:21,000 Half of it due to the Dogmen, other half of it doing too well, 777 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,360 I should say, one third of it from the dog Men, and 778 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,920 one third is just not having the time, and the other third is just 779 00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,440 not having the money. So I mean, those two thirds are now out 780 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,199 of the way, So I mean, I'm not too worried, but at 781 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:43,000 the same time, I'm going to stay vigilant. It's just a three day 782 00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,039 camp trips. I'm nothing too bad, you know, I won't be out 783 00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:50,639 too far. But I think it'll be pretty fun. I'm trying to do 784 00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:54,039 it before it gets too cold, and so, you know, just enjoyed 785 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:59,280 this last bit of summer because all this summer I've mostly just been working. 786 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,719 You know, I'm workaholic. You know, it's not like I feel like 787 00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:05,079 when I tell these stories, I'm slave to work. You know, I 788 00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,159 like working, don't get wrong. I want to be able to afford things 789 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:14,159 that I like and also have a good retirement in the future down the road. 790 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:16,199 But I'm at a point to where I'm now. I'm a little bit 791 00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:20,880 in the middle, Like you can't be just all work and not enjoy the 792 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,440 life where you aren't here right now at this current second end day. So 793 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,800 I've planned this and I think it's gonna be pretty fun. Hopefully no no 794 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,639 cryptid sightings. And if I do, I have a telescope, maybe i'll 795 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:38,719 see it way far away. Yes, hopefully, that's not going to happen. 796 00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,800 I just hope you focus on having a great time out there. I'm 797 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,199 so glad to hear that you're gonna do this. That's great, Thank you, 798 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,840 Vick. Yes, no, I'm really excited. I haven't went camping, 799 00:57:50,880 --> 00:58:00,039 like I said, a year let's see here probably you know what strange 800 00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,440 as I said, probably a little bit before after that document encounter. So 801 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,000 yeah, probably five six plus years since then. So yeah, it'll be 802 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:13,519 fun. I think it'll be cool. So you're long ever do that? 803 00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:20,719 Yes, absolutely, It's been nothing but work since January first, So yeah, 804 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,400 I'm really excited. Not really too big on fishing. I can do 805 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,159 it. I can actually, you know, gut and cook them. But 806 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,480 you know the area that I'm going, I think it's mostly bass and I 807 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,840 don't want need bass, and also I don't have any poles or any stuff 808 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,119 to fish. But I think my main thing is sticking what I do best, 809 00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:43,039 and I'll be observing the terrain, the scenery and hiking on some of 810 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:45,000 the trails they have there. Well, like I said, I hope you 811 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:50,079 have a great time. I really do. We're about out of time, 812 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,760 man, But before we get out of here, do you have any clothes 813 00:58:52,800 --> 00:59:00,239 and comments you like to share? Always be respectful two people. Other people 814 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,760 help encourage other people. If you're down on a hard time, whether you 815 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,119 know you believe it or not, God is always there for you as yours. 816 00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:13,639 For this, you know some of the stories that I had. It 817 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,239 costs nothing to be kind to other people. Not be rude. You don't 818 00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:22,119 need to be native to respect the land and respect creatures and animals. You 819 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:25,800 don't have to go and trash these places up. You do happen to have 820 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:31,679 an encounter, do not be disrespectful. Don't full horn them and try to 821 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:37,519 cause any trumpe of violence altercation with them, whether they're spiritual or real beings. 822 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,639 I mean, the word is in their name, dog man. Don't 823 00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:46,199 disrespect these creatures and they'll leave you alone. You'll be just fine. You 824 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,159 might be scared out of your wits if you're too close, but yeah, 825 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,760 those would be my closing comments. Mad I hope you never change your top 826 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,679 notch. I just love your personality and you're an all I'm great guy, 827 01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,880 so that's why I see that. But having said that, I can't thank 828 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,280 you enough for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences with us. 829 01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:13,159 I really appreciate it, no problem, It's been a pleasure. Thank you 830 01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,320 again for your encouraging words, Vic, and I really appreciate you inviting me 831 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,880 out into the show. Even though it's been long passes. These encounters happen 832 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,159 risedly believe it or not, as much as I've bottled up, and I 833 01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:29,280 sound like I'm okay. This actually kind of helped me a lot to get 834 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,599 this encounters off. The only person I had back then was my ex our 835 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:37,199 well girlfriend at the time, but x now. So it's really good to 836 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,320 hear somebody like minded that actually does research and knows of these things. And 837 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,599 I'm actually really glad that I came across your channel a few months ago. 838 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,320 One of the best things I happened this summer. So thank you again, 839 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,960 Vick. Well you know you're welcome. I'm just so glad to hear that 840 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,280 this process has helped. So yeah, that's music to my ears. But 841 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,639 having said that, thanks against much for coming on and have a great night.