1 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:09,480 What's he will have the impossible or whatever remains however improbable must be true. 2 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:15,400 And it is not a question of a little cultism. What a touch of 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,679 mysticism is to dead? It is vampires. There's a host of damned souls 4 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:28,280 and hellipus thy Father's spirit to do it for a certain term, to walk 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,280 the night here. The old gods are to dead and what is the true 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,359 god? He is dead? Can't complain people assume the time is a strict 7 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:45,640 progression of cause to effect that action. From a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:52,039 it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimi stuff. You're 9 00:00:52,119 --> 00:01:00,079 listening to Paranormal UK Radio and good evening everybody. Welcome to another dish and 10 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:04,599 of the Paranormal UK Radio show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK 11 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:11,359 Radio Network. I'm your host for this evening, Mark Johnson. Our regular 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,239 host Irene Allen is a little tied up and unfortunately not able to join us 13 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,000 tonight, so we wish her well, hope things get straightened out and she'll 14 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:30,239 be back with us next time. Just want to mention that for all of 15 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,079 you, those of you who keep tuning into the network. I want to 16 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,799 thank everybody. We have so many great shows. We've got a few new 17 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,879 shows that are coming out soon, so we'll keep you posted. And I'm 18 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:49,079 really looking forward to traveling to the UK and just a little over a week 19 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,159 from now and get to, you know, hang out with Irene in person 20 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,799 and be able to take the piss out of her to her face instead of 21 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:00,439 over Skype for a change. So that should be at out of fun. 22 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,640 And plus a few of our other radio show hosts are going to be joining 23 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,560 us. And while I'm out there, I am definitely bringing my equipment with 24 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,960 me because I plan to do some investigating while I'm out there. Plenty of 25 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:23,520 haunted castles and other locations, including Irene's own house, which which is a 26 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,360 hotspot, let's put it that way. So looking forward to that. We're 27 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,719 going to have a great time. So with that being said, we are 28 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:39,439 going to jump right into tonight's guest. Now, we've had this gentleman on 29 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:45,400 our show a couple of years ago and now he's out with a new book. 30 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:50,639 We're talking with Mike rick Secker. Now. He has written several books 31 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:59,439 and his newest one is called Alaska's Mysterious Triangle. So talking about the Alaska 32 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:05,159 Triangle mystery. So Mike, welcome back to the program. Hey, thanks 33 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:07,280 for having me back, Mark, I really appreciate it. Oh, no 34 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:14,039 problem. You know I'm I'm intrigued by this subject matter for a number of 35 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:20,319 reasons, so definitely looking forward to it. Now, how long ago did 36 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,400 the book come out? That was almost two years ago? Now, actually 37 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,000 have a new one coming out here August first Travels through Time, So yes, 38 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,080 Alaska's Mysterious trigal at the moment is the latest but soon to be supplanted. 39 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:38,240 Well you know what this means, Mike, you just have to have 40 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:43,639 We're gonna have to bring you back in as soon as the new one is 41 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,080 out, because talking about time travel is another one of my favorite subjects and 42 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:53,039 getting we'll get Irene back on for that one. So we'll work out a 43 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,599 date with you and see we needn't come back. It sounds wonderful, but 44 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,759 yeah, it was. It was October twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, 45 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,199 that says here twenty twenty one. Okay, you know the years just kind 46 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:13,400 of all blend together, especially the last few years. Yeah, yeah, 47 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,839 because COVID kind of really gummed up the works there for a while. So 48 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,079 really that that just made the last few years a real blur. But okay, 49 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,040 yeah, October twenty twenty one. That sounds about right. Okay, 50 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:29,519 Now, what made you want to look into the Alaskan Triangle mystery? Yeah, 51 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,240 well, you know, I spent three years up in Alaska's part of 52 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,800 the United States Air Force back in the nineties, nineteen ninety five, and 53 00:04:35,879 --> 00:04:42,040 I did see and witness some strange things up there. But um, you 54 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:48,600 know, really how I got involved with that again was about five years ago, 55 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:59,360 I believe now, and it was a group there in the UK production 56 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,639 comp any Wild Dream Films, and they had reached out to me really about 57 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:14,160 a video I'd done on YouTube about the relationship between portals, energy and paranormal 58 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:17,040 activity, paranormal hotspots, that sort of thing. It was interesting. It 59 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,920 was one of my least viewed videos that I had on the YouTube channel, 60 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,000 but yet they came across it because they were looking for somebody to talk about 61 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,720 that sort of thing. I had no idea it was about Alaska at the 62 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,959 time. We just got together on a Skype call and we're kind of chatting 63 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:35,360 a little bit. They wanted to know, now basically what I knew about 64 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:40,759 that type of phenomena. So we know we're discussing, and then they asked, 65 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:44,680 well, what do you know about those sorts of things in Alaska? 66 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,480 And I told them, well, I was stationed up there for three years 67 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 and people, you know, would talk about the Alaska Triangle. And they 68 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,959 kind of laughed and said, you know, that is the name of our 69 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:58,120 television show. So they flew me up there to Alaska. We did some 70 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:04,199 interviews on the side of Flattop Mountain, and yeah, following that, you 71 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,480 know, being a writer, it just made complete sense to go ahead and 72 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,120 write a book on the topic. Now I know that there was a series 73 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:21,759 that I think it's now available on the streaming Discovery Plus platform on the Alaskan 74 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,360 Triangle. Yeah, yeah, that's the show. It originally aired on Travel 75 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,279 Channel and then it got moved to Discovery Plus. Yeah. Curious because I 76 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:35,199 only really watched one episode of it. But there was a specific reason for 77 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,920 that, which we'll get into a little bit later in the program. Do 78 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:43,639 you know which episode number you were on? That was on four different ones? 79 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:48,519 So yeah, so the Missing Douglas episode, the one on the Alaskan 80 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:56,040 Titanic, the big one that featured me a lot. It was actually the 81 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,519 the Bigfoot episode, but the second half of it was about what portals vortices 82 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,319 energy. They had me on the side of the mountain with a couple of 83 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:09,279 dousing rods doing some tests. And then it was episode one of season two 84 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:15,600 which talked about the Black Pyramid. The pyramid, Okay, then you would 85 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,160 know something. Then I saw you and I'm just not remembering because it's been 86 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:26,480 been at the very end. Yeah, yeah, it um, there's so 87 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,399 much up in Alaska that is so strange, and there are more shows that 88 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:39,800 are coming out focusing on all the high strangeness within Alaska. Now they call 89 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:44,480 it the Triangle, which is a very popular every it seems like everywhere around 90 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,279 the world has a triangle. Um like the Bermuda Triangle, which at least 91 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:54,399 they draw from, you know, Bermuda. I think, what's to Puerto 92 00:07:54,480 --> 00:08:00,399 Rico and over towards Florida. But is it really a triangle or is it 93 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,879 just a generalized area within Alaska? Right? Well, even with the Bermuda 94 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,480 Trial, it's just branding. Really, Uh, It's it's not a perfect 95 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,000 Triangle. You know, it extends outward from that. I mean basically it's 96 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:18,399 more like circular in nature, because you're basically what's happening here is, you 97 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:24,160 know, you have that energy, that magnetism that's welling up from the Earth's 98 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,199 core and as it passes through the you know, the mantle and the crust, 99 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:33,840 it interacts with different metals and minerals and can create some different magnetic anomalies. 100 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,519 And so, yeah, you have a lot of locations like that around 101 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 the world, Bermuda, Alaska, you have the Dragon Triangle out there by 102 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,200 Japan, Bridgewater Triangle in Massachusetts, like Michigan. You know, they're really 103 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,360 all over the place. But yeah, it's not a perfect triangle. It 104 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,519 just kind of helps us to delineate around the area where this strange activity occurs 105 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:03,840 exactly exactly. And that's actually it's a subject matter that I'm extremely interested in 106 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:09,759 these days, are these areas of what I call high strangeness, and they 107 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:16,200 could be smaller locations. One of my favorite shows right now that I think 108 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:22,159 does an excellent job of actually doing research is on History Channel, which is 109 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,960 also on Discovery Plus, is The Secret Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, and that's 110 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,600 a good one. Yeah, it's a great show in that they focus on 111 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:39,759 the one location and the fact that all the different scientific experiments and they keep 112 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,480 the boo boo factor down to a minimum. In fact, they don't have 113 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,799 to really do anything. The ranch does it all for them. Yeah, 114 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,159 exactly. I mean they do have, you know, like the Haunted Homestead 115 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,080 area, but they've kind of briefly touched on it, but they don't focus 116 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:58,639 on that, you know, they do focus on their experiments and trying to 117 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:03,559 figure exactly what's going on there. And I think this is another location because 118 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,840 they've they've talked about, okay, the different electromagnetism that's there. You know, 119 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,720 they've pulled interesting metals out of the mesa and things like that, and 120 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,440 so again I believe this is another one of those cases in which, you 121 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,200 know, the natural magnetism coming out of the earth is interacting with different metals 122 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,399 and minerals that are embedded there in the ground. And it's probably a very 123 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:33,120 large piece or large vein of metals that are there under the ground there at 124 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,840 Skinwalker. That's as the magnetism passes through that's creating all of this strange activity 125 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:48,679 and with the Alaskan location, and there's so much unique about the geography of 126 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:54,080 the whole state, being such a big state in itself, the different stories 127 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,600 that you hear all over the place. Not that I want to sit here 128 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:01,720 and bring up other TV shows all the time, by just another one that 129 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:07,200 really caught my interest when it first came out, and it was more impressive 130 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,840 than I thought it would be based on the title, which is horrible, 131 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:15,600 was Alaskan Killer Bigfoot. I don't know if you saw this show. I 132 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:16,679 have not seen that one. I know, probably because of the title. 133 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,559 Okay, the title is terrible, and yet the show is on par with 134 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Skinwalker Ranch show only because it's not as scientifically based. But the premise is 135 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:43,440 local native fisherman people from this one village gets set back to this location where 136 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:50,320 there used to be a thriving fishing community and they basically got chased out of 137 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,480 there back in the nineteen fifties because all this weird stuff was going on that 138 00:11:54,519 --> 00:12:01,440 they attributed to a local Bigfoot they called Nantinak. Yeah Port Chatham uh port 139 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:09,320 uh not Chatham um because that sounds a lot like that story. Maybe I'm 140 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:15,720 having a brain freeze here. Um. So they sent these people there for 141 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,519 for forty days and with the film crew following them, and they had so 142 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:30,039 much strange activity happening. And while the big Foot Nanetinak was at the center 143 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,759 of all of it, from a Reacher's researchers standpoint, there is a lot 144 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:39,159 of different phenomenon going on there, including what I would consider to be interdimensional 145 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:46,000 types of phenomenon. And some of it's very disturbing. They they say the 146 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:50,960 old stories that you know, people were killed and which is why they they 147 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:56,799 fled. But but a lot of things there and it's very negative. I 148 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,080 got to interview one of the stars of the show, Ash Niederhoff, who 149 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:09,159 was just as he's kind of like a wilderness survivalist type, really really cool 150 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,759 guy, and you know, we talked about some of his experiences on the 151 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:20,480 show when some stuff that didn't make it on the show, and it's clear 152 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,159 that he was scared to death because he's not a paranormal guy. None of 153 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,480 these guys are paranormal researchers. They're like fishermen. They're there to see if 154 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,960 they could resettle the area, and the location was pushing back big time, 155 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:43,440 right And it's just an example of all the different locations around Alaska that has 156 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,480 this real high strangeness. Yeah. Well, it's interesting about Alaska. You 157 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:54,519 know, it's something that was actually measured by the US Department of the Interior 158 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,919 back during the nineteen sixties. They covered, you know, not the entire 159 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,919 state of Alaska. Uh. You know that Alaska's over six hundred thousand square 160 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,600 miles. It's like two and a half times the size of Texas, and 161 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:09,240 people don't really realize how big it is. But they still covered, um, 162 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:11,480 you know, about one hundred thousand square miles, so a sixth of 163 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:18,559 the state. And within that area, they classified what they call five distinct 164 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,080 magnetic characters within this one hundred thousand square miles, some of which they described 165 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,799 as negative anomalies. So you know, this is you know, research that's 166 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,960 been done by the government that is publicly accessible, in which they are describing 167 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:41,639 as negative magnetic activity that's in that area up there. Um, by negative, 168 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:46,639 can you can you clarify that, um, you know, magnetic activity 169 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:54,080 that is going to have a dramatic effect on the area that will create interference 170 00:14:54,080 --> 00:15:00,320 patterns and things of this nature in those areas. So m you know, 171 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,399 although I have not yet been able to confirm it. I believe this is 172 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,279 why they built harp where they did in Gakona, and uh you know it's 173 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,279 and that's one where they were, uh you know, creating artificial auroras in 174 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:22,080 the sky. So they were our government, I know. So yeah, 175 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:26,679 let's mess with nature some more than they wonder why we're having so many problems 176 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:35,320 with nature right now? Exactly? Oh good lord. Um, Now, 177 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:39,039 when you when you were up there, you said you had when you were 178 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,399 in the Air Force, you had some experiences. Could you talk about those? 179 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:48,279 Yeah? Absolutely, so, Yeah, I worked primarily in the Alaskan 180 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,399 Command Building a little bit less than a year after because they had away from 181 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:56,240 my security clearance to come in. And once that did, I moved over 182 00:15:56,279 --> 00:15:58,639 to the Alaskan Command Building and spend about two and a half years there. 183 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,879 And I was in a secure facility in the basement of that building. Our 184 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:11,080 department shared space with the base communications center. And you know, we saw 185 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:15,960 you, and not just myself, but many of us down there. We're 186 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,000 experiencing shadow activity where you know, we would see these different what you would 187 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,000 call it a shadow person, you know, moving in and around mostly the 188 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:33,879 back office areas. Sometimes we would see something dart into where we kind of 189 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,320 had the server rats, or there was even another room way in the back 190 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:42,080 behind the com center. You know, something would sometimes dart into there, 191 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:47,320 and you know, we can't really talk about can really be too vocal about 192 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,000 it, because you know, if you started talking about seeing things like that, 193 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:53,919 you might find yourself down at mental health and lose your security clearance. 194 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,080 But you know there are some underlying chatter amongst us about these different things that 195 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,440 we'd see, because sometimes you'd be walking with somebody and all of a sudden, 196 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,039 down a hallway between the cubicles there, you know, this shadow would 197 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:12,039 kind of move past, and so you know what's what was interesting was, 198 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:18,240 you know people would talk about, well, you know this building was originally 199 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,200 a hospital, and where we're set up at is the morgue, and you 200 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,960 know where our server racks where they were saying that's where the coolers had been. 201 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,119 Well, when I was doing my research for Alaska's Mysterious Triangle, of 202 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,240 course, I'm going to write about that story, and I wanted to confirm 203 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:38,480 the details. Come to find out now that the building was never a hospital. 204 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,559 It was only ever used for exactly what it was being used for then, 205 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,240 which is command. So then it got me wondering, Okay, what 206 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:51,599 in the world it were these shadows that we were seeing because I can't say 207 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:53,839 everybody because then talk to everybody down there, but a lot of people were 208 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,880 seeing these things, and so you know that that kind of curtails into a 209 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:04,480 out of the work that I've been doing here lately with the nature of time 210 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,680 and time travel, and you know, I started thinking, well, maybe 211 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,759 some of these were time slips and we were seeing some resident images of you 212 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,480 know, perhaps the past, perhaps the future. Perhaps some of these things 213 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:17,799 that we were seeing were even ourselves of course, you know, charged by 214 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:22,640 the energy of the area. So yeah, there's Oh, there are a 215 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:30,680 lot of bizarre things that happened up there. You know. The one thing 216 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,960 I was going to mention that has to do with the military. There's a 217 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,960 lot of talk of the military having secret basis up there, and one of 218 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:51,559 them involving this supposed underground dark pyramid, which was the basis of your of 219 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:56,880 the show you were on with season two. There's a story that they told 220 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,960 in there that a friend of mine, his father in fact, he went 221 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:11,759 up and they filmed him for the episode back in the eighties. I believe 222 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:17,000 his father used to be in the in the in the Air Force, and 223 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,759 he was a civilian, but he was up in Alaska and he caught a 224 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,279 he hopped a ride on a helicopter that was going close to where he was 225 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:30,880 going to go. And he's of course friends with all the pilots, being 226 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:37,680 a pilot himself, and they told him, look, we have to make 227 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:44,039 a stop. You're to keep your mouth shut, don't say anything, and 228 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:52,200 we're not here, okay. And they flew to this location that there were 229 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,359 some crates I guess on board. They flew to this location that was just 230 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,799 basically a fence and a little building and that was and there were guys in 231 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,160 black military fatigues with no insignia, armed to the teeth, and when the 232 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,079 helticopter came in, it wasn't even allowed to touch on the ground. It 233 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,279 had to hover a foot off the ground while they unloaded the crates. And 234 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:22,200 the second of the crates were done, they took off and as they left, 235 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,279 my friend's father asked them what was that all about? When they confided 236 00:20:27,319 --> 00:20:37,039 in him that supposedly there's this underground pyramid that the government found and it's a 237 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:44,319 secret installation. Now, he went on the show and they had him in 238 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,200 an airplane and flying over roughly you know, where the area was supposed to 239 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,880 be. He couldn't remember. He was never there, so he didn't know 240 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,240 where it was exactly. It was just a story his father told. Well, 241 00:20:56,279 --> 00:21:00,359 he and I used to do a podcast show ourselves for this one several 242 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,279 years ago. And when he first told this story and he went on Coast 243 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:11,519 to Coast with George Nor to tell the story, well, he started getting 244 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:19,960 harassing phone calls basically telling him to shut the f up. And then suddenly 245 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,200 he himself was a member of the Coast Guard for many, many years. 246 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:33,599 All of his records disappeared, everything dealing with his pension, everything vanished, 247 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,759 and it took him months to get it straightened out, to find backups. 248 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:42,680 But he felt it was retaliation for him coming out speaking publicly about it. 249 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Yeah, I'm familiar with that story. And yeah, when you start poking 250 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,920 around like that, they'll they'll try to make they'll try to make your life 251 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,839 miserable, make things disappear. Your bab blazars kind of face the same thing, 252 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,960 which is which is a shame. But but yeah, I mean I 253 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,640 can't I can't confirm, you know, the black Pyramid story because I was 254 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:10,799 not there. I did not witness the Black period. I am familiar with 255 00:22:10,839 --> 00:22:14,440 some of the stories that have come out of their regarding that, and it 256 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:17,720 is interesting because yeah, on that same episode, they flew up there and 257 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:19,960 you could see, you know, very clearly where you know, there had 258 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,400 been like a small runway in an old road and a clearing where it looks 259 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,000 like a building would have been in that sort of thing, and uh, 260 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,000 you know, there are locations around the country and really around the world where 261 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,519 our government is involved in and they don't want you to know about it. 262 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,160 You know, they are doing uh you know, top secret things there, 263 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:48,920 whether that's hiding a black pyramid or has something to do with um with intelligence 264 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,000 gathering basically spying, uh those sorts of things, or some other testing that 265 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:59,079 they don't want us to know about. So yeah, you know, seeing 266 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:04,559 those those sorts of remains of structures up there is not surprising. And you 267 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:07,680 know, given the stories that have come out of that area, well, 268 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,720 yeah, I would believe it does have something to do with this, uh, 269 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,960 this supposed black pyramid. It's it's an interesting story, and it'd be 270 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:21,920 nice if there would be more people that would come forth with some more significant 271 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,440 evidence, because right now we have are these you know anecdotal stories, you 272 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,440 know, right, it's a little bit different than you know, looking at 273 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,559 the uh, you know, the Great Pyramid of Giza and you know, 274 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,359 coming up with different theories as to what it was actually used for. Well, 275 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,799 we can actually see that particular pyramid, where this one in Alaska's is 276 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,279 underground. We can't see it, and you know, we don't have any 277 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:51,680 photographic evidence of it. So um, so hopefully more people will come forward 278 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,759 on that. Yeah, I mean, if you want to be you know, 279 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,240 brutally honest about that, there's no proof it exists. And being underground 280 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:07,200 itself is strange considering all the pyramids around the world, and not only just 281 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:11,599 in Egypt, but in South America and China, maybe even Eastern Europe, 282 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:21,119 Yugoslavia. These things are above ground and generally pyramid shape, but they all 283 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,759 have their own unique features, especially all throughout Mesoamerica. Well here's why. 284 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,880 I yeah, and actually meso America, South America, that area there in 285 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:36,160 particular, you know a number of these pyramids. Sure, we've cleaned them 286 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,759 off now and we can see them with our eyes these days. But many 287 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:45,960 of them, you know, had to be discovered where there was enough vegetation 288 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,319 and dirt and what have you that had grown up over that just looked like 289 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,960 a hill, and you know, it became discovered that, oh, no, 290 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,119 there's actually a pyramid here. So that's why I don't totally discredit the 291 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,440 possibility that, you know, there could be an underground pyramid there, especially 292 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,839 if it's uh, you know, very very ancient. There would be enough 293 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,799 time for uh, you know, for things to build up around it. 294 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,039 So I don't I don't totally discredit it. It's just we don't have the 295 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,480 physical evidence to you to be able to look at the thing and say, 296 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,480 there's the pyramid, know what it was? What was a use for m 297 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,559 besides the pyramid? Um there? You know, again, there are a 298 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:34,319 lot of stories of Bigfoot throughout Alaska. Uh. In fact, I hate 299 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,200 say it. I hate keep name dropping shows. But there's another show, 300 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:47,079 Expedition Bigfoot on Discovery that's better than most of the other shows. UM and 301 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,759 their new seasons coming out, and they went up to Alaska this time. 302 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:56,880 So I'm very curious to see what they've obtained or what they've experienced up there. 303 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,720 But I like their approach how they have the doctor Marina forget our last 304 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:10,599 name, as the anthropologist, they have the survivalist guy. Um, then 305 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,960 they have your throwing your bigfoot guy for all the for for all the paranormal 306 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,920 stuff. But you know, there are a few shows they've had some really 307 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:26,680 strange experiences, and so many people have reported experiences up there in Alaska. 308 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,279 And let's face it, it's one of the last big frontiers. There's so 309 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,920 much of the state that's not populated. You have thousands of square miles of 310 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,200 emptiness, so anything. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's very, very 311 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:48,119 remote. The entire population of the state is about the population of the city 312 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,599 of San Francisco, and you're talking about an area that is two and a 313 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,640 half times the size of Texas. So yeah, it's very You know, 314 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,880 you have a couple of concentrations of people like Anchorage, Juno, Fairbanks, 315 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,279 that sort of thing, and then everybody else is kind of spread out, 316 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:08,440 and then of course large large swaths of land in which there's just nothing. 317 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,200 There's areas up there they still don't even have the map. They have some 318 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,039 satellite imagery, but nobody's actually been out there to survey the land, so 319 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,799 that leaves a lot of room for you know, some of these different things 320 00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,960 to roam around. So the idea that there may be sasquatch up there, 321 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,720 sure, and that makes sense. Some people believe there may even be pockets 322 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:33,279 of wooly mammoths still they're roaming around, which would be fascinating if that were 323 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:38,920 true. I personally find that idea very cool. Yes, absolutely, I'd 324 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480 love to to run into a wooly mammoth. That'd be great. Uh. 325 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,519 And you hear about you know, they're trying to actually clone wooly mammoth DNA 326 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,240 and create some new wooly mammoths, so um, which it was. It 327 00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:56,079 is interesting because you know, we think of you know, wooly mammoths as 328 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,920 you know, a very ancient type of creature and you long since extinct. 329 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,519 But actually, you know, humans and willy mammoths they were, they lived 330 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:08,359 together, they roamed around together, you know up there, you know, 331 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,039 fifteen thousand years ago, so it really was not all that long ago. 332 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,039 So if they were to they were to bring them back, here's my thing, 333 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,119 okay, there to bring them back, you know, the cloning, 334 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,000 which would really be like a hybrid because they would mix it with uh, 335 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,839 you know, a type of elephant. And you know, the opponents to 336 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400 the idea are saying, well, really, you'd have, you know, 337 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,680 a hairy elephant with some additional fat deposits. Well, okay, fine, 338 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,279 but still if they could pull it off and they let the things loose out 339 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,319 there, and let's say they actually found a surviving colony of wooly mammoths, 340 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,000 like, what type of offspring would they make? You know, it would 341 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,319 be interesting to see, you know, and they found an enough um, 342 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:56,279 what's the word I'm looking for here? I want to say a cadaver, 343 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:03,799 because it's certainly not a fossil. They've found dead wooly mammoths, surprisingly preserved 344 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:11,880 yep, with soft tissue. And yeah, I don't remember if they were 345 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,920 able to pull out any viable DNA from that, but I know that I've 346 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,480 heard of the clanning aspect of it. Yeah, yeah, so it's it's 347 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:26,720 not in the problem is is that because it is degraded DNA. You know, 348 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,640 they don't have a full a full wooly mammoth sequence, but they believe 349 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,200 that they have enough to be able to create some sort of clone of it. 350 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,440 But yeah, they do have soft tissue and what have you around that 351 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:42,039 is, you know, remnant there under the ice that they've been able to 352 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,240 pull out. And you know, so there's some old stories of like in 353 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,160 the nineteen fifties the Explorers Club actually served some mammoth meat. There was a 354 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,319 pastor early nineteen hundreds who said that he was out exploring and came across a 355 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,000 mammoth in the ice and as his dogs are hungry, slice off some of 356 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,960 the meat and fed it to his dogs. So there's stories like that that 357 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,319 are floating around about these things. Well, actually, it's funny where I 358 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,599 live here in northern New Jersey, there's just a couple of miles from me, 359 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:23,079 there's an old like pond bog that they even pulled out mastodons. Oh 360 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,200 well, you know, just just a couple of miles away from here from 361 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,920 me. So they're definitely roaming around you in this area. So being up 362 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,799 in a remote area of Alaska, you know, something could be up there 363 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:45,160 very well hidden and out of the public eye. And it's such an unusual 364 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:52,799 state, being that it's so remote, it has its own mythology. I 365 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,319 guess you could say, with everything that people experience up there, from ghosts 366 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,839 to a big foot to as you saw, shadow people, are you dealing 367 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,200 with something that's that's a ghost type of creature or entity, or are you 368 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,799 dealing with something that's more along the lines of a time slip, something interdimensional. 369 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,640 I mean, either one of those are in play. I mean we're 370 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,279 talking shadow people there. They are a variety of different things, and it 371 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,799 really depends on that particular shadow because it's just the way that our eyes are 372 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,720 capturing the light from that being or object. So yeah, some of them 373 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,039 could just be a human spirit that can't fully manifest us, an apparition, 374 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,880 could be a time slip, could be an interdimensional being, could be an 375 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,519 extraterrestrial. There's a lot of different possibilities here, which is why I have 376 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:49,079 a whole book and those beings a walk in the shadows. So yeah, 377 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:56,720 well, what's your thought up there about vortices and portals possibly to other dimensions 378 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:02,640 or times or right? Yeah, so really, I mean we're we're really 379 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,559 talking about two different things. It's that vortex energy that can create a portal, 380 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:14,960 So so yeah, sometimes portals um will spawn up in these areas and 381 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,640 that may be where Alaska. A lot of people go missing up there, 382 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,519 and I understand, you know, some people want to go missing, you 383 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,240 know, some people get kidnapped, some people wander out into the woods, 384 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,759 get eaten by a beare sort of thing. But the the number is very, 385 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,839 very high. When we filmed the television show, the number that we 386 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,720 were giving off was, you know, sixteen thousand people since nineteen eighty eight. 387 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,119 Of course it's been a few years since the show now and that number 388 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:46,400 has just increased. So um, yeah, you have these people and people 389 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,240 that are found, you know, get get lost in the woods and are 390 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,880 found. Many of them will report things like, um, you know, 391 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,240 they were on the path, they had heard something out in the woods, 392 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:06,759 and they took two steps off the path, took a peek around, didn't 393 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,640 see anything, turned around to step back on the path, and the path 394 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,359 was suddenly gone. And what happened to it? You know, did they 395 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,839 when they stepped off the path that they stepped through you know, some sort 396 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,720 of portal that took them to you know, another another point in time, 397 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,400 maybe another place out in the woods. And so, you know, there 398 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,640 are some interesting stories there and a lot of these people don't come back at 399 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 all. One of the things that we talked about on the Alaska Triangle Show 400 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:38,759 was the missing Douglas Skymaster from nineteen fifty, which you know, was en 401 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:44,839 route to Montana, took off from Elmendorf Air Force Base somewhere over Snag in 402 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:51,279 Yukon Territory. It just completely disappeared and never heard from or scene again. 403 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,200 To this day, they have not found it. And at that point in 404 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:59,480 time, it was the biggest search and rescue mission that we had in American 405 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,400 history. At that point, we teamed up with Canada because it was actually 406 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,480 technically just over the border into the into their territory. And like I said, 407 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,960 nothing was ever found. One of the ideas is that it may have 408 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,159 slipped through some sort of portal and that it had found itself maybe in another 409 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:22,639 dimension or perhaps another point in time. And what's fascinating about that is if 410 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,280 it did end up in another point in time going through this portal, and 411 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,079 let's just throughout an arbitrary number, I would just say, what if it 412 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,400 went back like five hundred years in time, Okay, well five hundred years 413 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,000 ago in Alaska with a plane flying overhead, what would that look like to 414 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:45,199 you know, the Native Inuit that live up there, because they would have 415 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,880 no context, no idea of what an airplane is. You know, they 416 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,320 just see this large thing in the sky with the you know, with the 417 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,679 wings making a lot of noise. So is this where we get some of 418 00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:01,199 the thunderbird legends from? Did they actually witness a modern airplane that came into 419 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,320 the into their point in time and that's what they're reporting as a thunderbird? 420 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,480 So so yeah, it's fascinating. Some of the rabbit holes we could go 421 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:17,000 down with that, well, definitely a lot of different rabbit holes. I 422 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:24,480 mean again not just with Alaska, but you know, so many different locations 423 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:30,679 just in America alone. I mean, look at David Politi's books on missing 424 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,599 for one, one, people who just vanish. You get a line of 425 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:38,000 people walking, one person right behind another and they turn around and that person 426 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,239 is just suddenly gone. They just saw him a few seconds ago, never 427 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:51,079 to be found again. Or even the one child who disappeared and then they 428 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,639 searched for days, couldn't find him, and then they found him on top 429 00:35:53,679 --> 00:36:00,079 of a mountain a couple of miles away up up in a location well and 430 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,119 he was deceased, but up on a location where there's no way in hell 431 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,800 was five year old could have climbed up this mountain? Right, So how 432 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,119 did you get there? Yeah, there's a There's another interesting one, and 433 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,639 this was reported in the Anchors Daily News in the two thousand and five, 434 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,079 two thousand and six something like that, where, um, there are these 435 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,920 hunters out near Piltre Mountain And it was it was early May. There's still 436 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:29,519 snow in the ground, and all of a sudden, this kid appears out 437 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:31,800 of nowhere. There's no footprints around him at all in the snow. It's 438 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,639 just boof there he is. And they had no idea how he got out 439 00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,880 there, and you know, they you know, brought him to safety and 440 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,159 then you know they're asking how did you get out here? You know, 441 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,679 where did you come from? And he had a very very interesting story about 442 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:54,159 how he had been taken inside the mountain by these by these small beans and 443 00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:00,280 the natives call them their arching hot and he had spent some time inside the 444 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,840 mountain with these beings, and you know, he did not know how much 445 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,880 time had passed or anything like that, but he had met a little girl 446 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:15,199 there and this little girl supposedly had been there with these beings for forty years, 447 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,119 but she still appeared as a little girl, and at some point in 448 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,079 time the urching hot said okay, well we're going to take you back and 449 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,920 this basically, you know, dump the boy out there right outside the mountain. 450 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,079 So um, yeah, there's some you know, fascinating stories like that 451 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,039 to come out of that area. And that's a modern story. It almost 452 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,719 sounds like, you know, one of the stories from you know, ancient 453 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,719 fairy lure exactly. I was just thinking that, yeah, yeah, and 454 00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:49,639 here it is modern day Alaska. Well, you know, almost every culture 455 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,239 and different continents have stories very similar to creatures like that. You like, 456 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,039 you just mentioned the modern fairy lore over in the UK and Ireland, and 457 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,880 then you have Middle Eastern Gin, you have Icelandic elves. In North Carolina, 458 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:17,079 they have what they call the little brown people. Just there's these stories 459 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:29,320 everywhere about these underground dwelling creatures and that seem to work on paranormal slash interdimensional 460 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:36,440 level. I've done some investigations in some locations and this is another thing that 461 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,840 fascinates me. And I don't know if you would have any stories about it 462 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:46,360 in terms of Alaska, but dealing with let's say miners in mining or cave 463 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,039 systems where people are deep down in these mines or these caves and they suddenly 464 00:38:52,079 --> 00:39:01,400 start hearing voices or they witness lights or activity where there's nobody there. Nobody 465 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:09,400 should be there. I investigated a cave system. It's open for the public, 466 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,679 but I got access to it in Colorado, and they confirmed nobody's ever 467 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,159 died in that cave. The Indians never went in there, they never went 468 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,880 as far back in because they were kind of afraid of it. And this 469 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,119 section that I went back into was sterile and so far in a couple of 470 00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:37,079 thousand feet that there's no insects, there's no bugs, there's no rodents, 471 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:44,360 there's nothing, and nobody died there. And yet we had all of this 472 00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:52,239 paranormal activity happening that just baffled me, from lights appearing in the rocks and 473 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:58,280 then disappearing on me, to EVPs, intelligent EVPs, one of them saying 474 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,519 get out, um to certain light anomalies. To I mean, it was 475 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:13,719 just the activity was insane. And yet we're talking about a location where nobody 476 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:22,320 died. Nobody went in there before the twentieth century. What would be causing 477 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:29,400 this activity? Another another guy I follow on YouTube and he's just a spelunker. 478 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,400 He's not a paranormal guy. He has a YouTube channel exploring abandoned minds 479 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,760 and mainly in California and Nevada. He goes into these old mines splunking and 480 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,599 he films it. And there were a couple of occasions where he's deep within 481 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,840 these minds that have been abandoned for a hundred years. Nobody's in there but 482 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:52,239 him, and he catches his like voices talking right next to him. There 483 00:40:52,599 --> 00:41:00,280 just strange activity. So going back to Alaska, since we've been talking about 484 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:06,400 an underground pyramids and and these little people people disappearing, have you heard stories 485 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:13,599 of miners or people going into splunking into caves that have experienced similar activity. 486 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:15,880 Yeah, Alaska has places like that. There's you know, like the old 487 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,639 copper mines and and things like that. Um, you know, even the 488 00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,239 Yukon Territory, which is kind of like the edge of the Alaska Triangle. 489 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,400 Uh, you know, they have the old gold mines there. But you 490 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,719 do hear stories like that up there, and um, one of the old 491 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,519 copper mines I forget the exact name of it. Um. You know that 492 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,159 the abandoned buildings, they were supposed to be haunt the minds themselves again kind 493 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:44,639 of the same thing is um. You know, the miners would hear you 494 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,920 know, strange voices and things like that down inside the mines. But even 495 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:55,559 you know, above ground in that area, there's a little cemetery that's outside 496 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,519 the town that you know, people will pass by it because there's a there's 497 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,400 a park over there. These days, they'll pass by it to head into 498 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,840 the park. You know, notice it there. They come back out of 499 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,519 the park later and the cemetery's gone. You know, it just disappears. 500 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,400 There's a lot of strange activity. You know, there's there's something to be 501 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,360 said for uh, you know, things that happen underground. And you know, 502 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,800 I think there's you know, ancients, there's ancient energy that we're tapping 503 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:29,079 into when we dig into these deeper places of the world. Well, when 504 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:34,280 you mentioned that, the like the cemetery disappearing, and I've heard a lot 505 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:39,599 of different stories about people driving and then suddenly finding themselves in a completely different 506 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,000 location. There's a town there's um, you know, maybe a gas station 507 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:52,440 or something and later on they try to go back to the area and there's 508 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:58,360 nothing there and it's gone. So are we talking about a time slip or 509 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:04,800 are we talking about parallel realities? You know, are we slipping from one 510 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:10,519 dimension into another? And it makes me think that these like these minds and 511 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:16,639 these cave systems or whatever, when you're dealing with something that's intelligent, seems 512 00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:22,880 to have a paranormal quality to it deep underground. I'm not convinced that what 513 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,519 we're dealing with is ghosts or spirits or anything like that. I think we're 514 00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:31,920 dealing with something a very real phenomenon that we don't fully understand. But if 515 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,320 you want to put a term to it, I almost all use the term 516 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:44,719 interdimensional as a very generic term of what things are coming from. Yeah, 517 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,719 now I agree with you there. You know, whether it's a time slip 518 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,880 or some sort of you're getting a glimpse of another dimension or alternate timeline. 519 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,960 I mean, even our science these days is they're they're showing with different experiments 520 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,239 down in Antarctica that uh, paraviewed scientific paper you know, Annals of Physics. 521 00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,639 Uh, and you know they're saying, well, we have a parallel 522 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,400 universe running in reverse time, which is you know, quite fascinating, but 523 00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,119 you have to think everything is operating, you know, frequency, resonance, 524 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:22,719 vibration, and you know time, time doesn't really exist. It's you. 525 00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:28,039 We've we've invented time to describe our reality and to be able to do things 526 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,000 like, um, you know, plant the crops at the right time, 527 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,239 you know, get to uh, you know, get to our job at 528 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,360 the right moment, so our supervisors don't get upset with us any of that 529 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,480 sort of thing. You know, we use it as a tool. But 530 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,800 you know we are as humans. Our consciousness is trapped into the fourth dimension, 531 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,719 but above us the fifth dimension. Well they're able to anybody that is 532 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,400 within that particular dimension is able to uh see time. It's basically like a 533 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,440 physical object, you know, at any moment within what we call the river 534 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,679 of time, I call it stack time. I have my stack time theory, 535 00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,480 which is what my latest book is about travels through time. And so 536 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,480 you take a location where you're at, where you're sitting right now, every 537 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,679 moment that has happened is happening and it will happen. Are all happening concurrently 538 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:23,760 right now, And there are times in which your moment where you're at will 539 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:30,840 vibrate at the same frequency as another moment in time, and we'll get a 540 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,000 glimpse of the future, the past, you know, maybe some other dimension, 541 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,239 that sort of thing for just a moment, because they happen to be 542 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,679 vibrating on the same frequency for just a moment. And so that I believe 543 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,000 a lot of not all, but you know, a lot of our hauntings 544 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:52,480 and things like this. Strange things that we see are these where we call 545 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,840 it a time slip or a glimpse into another dimension sort of thing, because 546 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,760 we have all kinds of things that are happening around us that we can see 547 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,039 with our own eyes, as human eye only sees into a very very narrow 548 00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,840 band of the light spectrum. So there's so many other things going on around 549 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,599 us that we don't normally see, but the conditions can become right for a 550 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,639 moment in which we do get a glimpse. I totally agree. That's right 551 00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:22,239 in line with my thoughts on a lot of different phenomena, even from like 552 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:30,559 a ghostly phenomenon. Somebody sees somebody like in Victorian era clothing and they're going 553 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,679 about doing whatever, and people think, Oh, what's the ghost of someone 554 00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:37,199 who's died, they don't know they've died. YadA, yadda, yadda. 555 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:45,039 What's repeated at nauseum by most of these ghost shows and groups, and which 556 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,519 I really feel is you're dealing with the type of time slip. Whereas you 557 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:52,519 mentioned, the conditions are right, two different points in time, which, 558 00:46:52,639 --> 00:47:00,480 since they're both happening simultaneously, overlap. If Irene, we're here, she 559 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,400 had a great story of in London, they were looking at a house. 560 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,639 Irene is very sensitive anyway, which would make her more in tune to these 561 00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:15,159 types of things. But she went upstairs and she went to go check out 562 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:20,719 one of the bedrooms, opened a door and there's an apparition of a woman 563 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:27,880 in an Aedwardian era maid's clothing. What was significant about it is they both 564 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:34,119 looked at each other and both of their jaws dropped open in shock they saw 565 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,679 each other, and then the woman vanished. And you know, she and 566 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,840 I have talked about this incident, and she's had a few other incidents very 567 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,159 similar to this many times over the years. I'm just convinced that no, 568 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:54,079 you're not seeing a ghost, you're seeing another very living breathing person who's just 569 00:47:54,159 --> 00:48:00,079 happens to be occupying a different time period than you, but the conditions were 570 00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,960 right, you happen to see each other. Yeah, those moments where you 571 00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,159 have, you know, the apparition looking at you as if you are the 572 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:13,039 ghost. I love those types of stories. And my good friend Andrea Parrin, 573 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,760 who everybody knows from you know, what they call the Conjuring House and 574 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:22,960 in the first Conjuring movie, which is nothing like what really happened there. 575 00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,840 Yeah, but she will say, and We've talked about this many times, 576 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,199 and I've had her on my show and she will say the exact same thing. 577 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,000 And on my Shadow to Mention docuseries she says the same thing, that 578 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,840 the most significant thing that ever happened there was a time slip that was witnessed 579 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,599 where you know, they were looking into the dining room there from the parlor 580 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,880 and all of a sudden morphed into existence. Was you know, a family 581 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,760 from like the seventeen hundreds. There's a woman, you know, cooking over 582 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,199 the hearth, a couple of kids running around. There's two gentlemen sitting at 583 00:48:55,199 --> 00:49:00,719 the table with Peter Stein's and they turn and they look at carol in and 584 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,440 the one says the other where you look at that as if she was the 585 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,320 ghost. So yeah, those moments like that are just absolutely fascinating, And 586 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,360 like you said, I think just adheres to the idea that, yeah, 587 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,880 a lot of a lot of these things are actually time slips. And what's 588 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,320 fascinating. Okay, woman in a Victoria address, you know, looking at 589 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,800 or I guess maybe you said it was Edwardian looking at Irene. Well, 590 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,559 that woman is getting a glimpse of the future in that moment. Well, 591 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,880 not to get too far off off topic, but there was an investigation that 592 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:40,320 Irene did once over in the UK where cutting to the chase, they were 593 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,239 doing this investigation. They were walking around, she was taking photos. She 594 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,840 walked into the bathroom, which was a small little bathroom, and she took 595 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:57,119 a photo. Now there was a mirror on the wall that her her flash 596 00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,360 went off and she can and you could see her reflect in the mirror, 597 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:09,519 and yet right behind her where there was no space to move, she captured 598 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,880 this man in what I would refer to it. It almost looked like tactical 599 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:27,039 style clothing. It looked almost futuristic, but you could relate to it as 600 00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:32,199 being very like a tactical police would wear a military black helmet with a chin 601 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:39,360 strap, black type fitting top, and he's walking forward with purpose, like 602 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,719 he's walking through a long hallway or something. But it's a tiny, little 603 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,840 five by six bathroom, and he's holding a device in his hand like he's 604 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,639 taking measurements or he's doing something not what you would think of as a typical 605 00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:05,440 ghost. Definitely seems like something that is either parallel universe, similar time period 606 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,039 of ours, or maybe even futuristic, maybe something twenty to fifty years from 607 00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:16,639 now. Right. Yeah, there was a similar vein Jeezus is probably good 608 00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:22,480 twelve years ago. And you know, we were out in a cemetery late 609 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:27,280 one night, you know, investigators kind of you know, roaming. We 610 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:35,159 had permission to do. This is Earlsborough, Oklahoma, and one woman there 611 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,199 had captured a photo and she was just getting there's a headstone there and a 612 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:45,039 big bush kind of encompassing the headstone. And the photo was really really strange 613 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,079 and unusual because in the middle you had it was like this band of electricity 614 00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:54,199 and it kind of stretched out across the right hand side of the photo and 615 00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:02,159 through this kind of stretching stretched out area you could see beyond like some sort 616 00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,280 of sitting room, you know, which was really fascinating. Now, this 617 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:07,920 is a place, it's always been a cemetery. You know, there's nothing 618 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,920 there before, but you know, just land. So yeah, was it 619 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000 getting a glimpse of another dimension? Was another point in time, like maybe 620 00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:22,559 somewhere in the future, you know, they'll uforego of the cemetery and you 621 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,440 build a house. I have no idea, but it looked like we were 622 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,639 getting at a glimpse through, you know, some sort of portal or dimensional 623 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,679 rift. As the late Douglas Adams once said, time is an illusion, 624 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:45,000 lunchtime doubly. So yeah, um yeah. The whole thing with time and 625 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,679 our view of it, how our monkey brains are trained to look at everything 626 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,519 just literally literally I can't even talking, you know what I mean. And 627 00:52:55,559 --> 00:53:02,199 it was really thank you, you know, from beginning to end, and 628 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:09,159 where everything else is just so much more fluid and walky, and you know, 629 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,519 we've got a few minutes left. The one other topic I wanted to 630 00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:20,159 talk about in regards to Alaska is the idea of UFOs, or people having 631 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:30,480 encounters with extraterrestrial beings. Yeah, yeah, Alaska's pretty rife with the UFO 632 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,639 activity. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's a pretty remote 633 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:38,679 area, so if the ETS wanted to set up bases or things like that 634 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,119 up there, it would be pretty easy. So there's a lot of speculation 635 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:51,800 about bases under the water there, which would be like USOS Mount Hayes in 636 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:57,440 Alaska, which has a lot of reports of UFO activity around it. The 637 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:07,599 famous remote viewer Pat Price had had few basically a installation in which the military 638 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:13,039 and ETS were working together. But yeah, I mean you have reports there, 639 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,440 you know, not just civilian reports, but military reports. You have 640 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:28,719 one of the most significant UFO reports with commercial airlines up there, the JA 641 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,199 the Japanese Airlines flight in nineteen eighty six. So yeah, there's a lot 642 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:43,400 going on up there concerning UFOs and ETS. It's uh, it's fascinating, 643 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,159 and I mean there's so many reports from all over the US. But again, 644 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:55,000 Alaska just seems to be a special place, being such a mountainous region, 645 00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:59,719 being all the different valleys, as you said, all the different g 646 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:08,039 magnetical UM anomalies that have been categorized there. Um, if there was one 647 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,679 story that impressed you the most, about Alaska. What would you say it 648 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:21,239 was that you've heard of. Oh my gosh, Uh, that one's that 649 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:27,039 one's hard because there's a lot of really interesting stories up there. Again, 650 00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,280 I think a lot of it is that the disappearances, you know, even 651 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:36,159 the really famous one nineteen seventy two with Hail Boggs and Nick Baggitch. You 652 00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,840 know, Hail Boggs was a House Majority leader at the time. You have 653 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,800 a very very high profile politician, uh, you know, somewhere between Anchorage 654 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,840 and Juno completely disappeared. To this day, have no nothing in regards to 655 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,559 it. Um. You know, they even because of how profile it was. 656 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,559 Uh, you utilize spy planes and in all kinds of things to try 657 00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:02,039 to find out what happened to them. Yeah, that's over fifty years ago 658 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,559 now and they still have not found like even one shred of evidence of it 659 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:16,159 even going down and crashing, not a thing. Incredible. Well, the 660 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:24,119 book is Alaska's Mysterious Triangle. And we've been talking with Mike Ricksecker. And 661 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,239 now your newest book, you say, is coming out when August first. 662 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,840 It's Travels Through Time. It's available for preorder right now. So if you 663 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,280 got to Amazon Barnes and Noble what have you that is available for pre order 664 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,400 at this time, so jump on it. Well, that one. I'm 665 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,559 very interested because this whole idea you just mentioned was called stacked time, really 666 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:52,320 intrigues me. So we'll definitely have you back on sounds good. Like you 667 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,320 said, I think we just scratched the surface of talking about the differences in 668 00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,800 time, So looking forward to that. Where else can people find you? 669 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,519 Yeah, you can find me Mike Ricksecker dot com. That's my personal website, 670 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:13,159 and then I have an online learning portal called Connected Universe Portal dot com 671 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,440 which people can find me out there as well. We have a lot of 672 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,679 things going on besides the books. Who also have like tours to Egypt and 673 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,280 things like that, which that information is available out there as well. Fantastic 674 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:27,960 Well, Mike, thank you very much for coming on the show today and 675 00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,639 this has been fascinating and can't wait to talk to you again soon. Absolutely 676 00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:36,920 can't wait. And I want to thank everybody for tuning into another edition of 677 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:42,760 the Paranormal UK Radio Show, the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio 678 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,679 Network. We'll be back in a couple of weeks with the brand new show, 679 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,480 so everyone take care, be good humans. I will talk with you 680 00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:51,960 all soon. I have a good but