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Now. I know what your reporting. I got a strain of going

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on here. Something just killing my
dog. Something killed your dog, my

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dog. We're flying to or over
the trade. I don't know how it

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did it, okay, dam and
I'm really confused. Also, I thought

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my dog coming over the fence,
and they would have did when you hit

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the growler. I entertaining cards And
although I thought it was my dog coming

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over the fen what are you putting? We gotta some one or something crawling

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around out here? Can you see
what it was? Dand it up.

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I'm out here looking through the window
now and I don't see anything. I

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don't want to go outside. Jesus, point you body, Carol, deal,

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Hello, get somebody out here.
What's point on the outare? That's

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thought up a bit about sixty four
nine? I don't know he seeming the

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out there. Yes, I'm looking
right here, everybody. This is Less

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Striding. Yes, yes I know
aka Surviving Man. Can you listening to

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Hey, Welcome to coffee Time here
on Untold Radio Network Monday morning. I

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hope everybody had a great Easter weekend. We did here, beautiful weather here.

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Finally, all the snow that we've
been buried under for five months straight

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is finally decided to melt, and
we've got attempts for in the mid sixties.

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Today it is supposed to hit in
low seventies, and tomorrow might even

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be in the mid to upper seventies, which is unseasonably warm for the Dakotas

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and Minnesota. But definitely looking forward
to it. Thanks everybody for showing up.

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By all those I see in chat, we've got him pop and on

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from YouTube and from our Facebook feed. Welcome to the show this morning.

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I thought it'd be fun. Every
week I usually get one of the hosts

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from the Untold Radio Network to join
me and kind of gone through most of

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them. I haven't had doctor Rush
Jones on yet from Wide Open Research.

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I did have his co host Brad
on Great show with Brad, but Russ,

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you know, he's still a doctor
who practices throughout the week, and

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the availability gets a little bit tough
there. You know, we've we've kind

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of almost made our way always through
the deal. I think we're going to

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have Alex on next week or the
week after. Doug Hi checks on Alex

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who co hosts the Untold Radio flagship
show, and that'll be fun. But

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this morning I wanted to circle back
and bring back Brian King Sharp. How

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are you doing, Brian? I'm
good, Jeff, how are you?

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Man? I'm hanging in there.
How was your Easter weekend? Oh my

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god, it was amazing. I
did a lot of work, but we

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had beautiful weather. It sounded like
we had very similar to weather to what

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you guys had out there. So
I'm ready for some sunshine, man.

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Yeah, I was. You know, we were in the mid sixties,

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but I was wearing shorts and a
T shirt all day. I mean it

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felt almost tropical compared to what it
has for so long here. Yeah.

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Actually, they when they said that
it might be in the mid to upper

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seventies a row. I might just
take the whole day and just sit outside

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in and adder on that chair out
on the deck. To be honest with

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you, it sounds like a good
time to me soak up some sunshine.

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But yeah, no, it was. It was a great easter weekend.

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And you know, unfortunately that's not
the case everywhere. I know that there's

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been some weather issues. I was
watching a little bit of The Masters over

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the weekend on TV, and I've
seen they had to close for a few

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hours when a they say that storm
damage caused a couple of huge trees to

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fall over one of the fairways.
And I was watching. Did you happen

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to see that video? I did
not. I went back and watch that.

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I'll be honest with maybe maybe it's
different there, but you know,

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here, I know what wind looks
like out here in the Upper Midwest when

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it is windy as windy. But
these two pine trees that fell over are

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about they appear to be about seventy
to eighty foot tall, and they're about

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as round as your chest, you
know, I mean, they're good size,

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right, And as I'm watching the
video of it, I can see

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that the flag on the green is
out, so there must be some ground

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level breeze. But when you look
at the tops of those trees that are

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all around these trees, nothing really
seems to be moving. I mean,

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it didn't look windy for these two
huge trees to just fall over. And

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it's really odd to me, but
the around here, you get enough wind

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to blow a tree like that over, you're probably your hat ain't staying on

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your head. I mean, it
gets windy like that. Now, I'll

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have to check out the video.
I haven't seen it. That was interesting.

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I'm not saying anything weird was going
on. It just it's odd that,

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I know, when you get within
a forest of trees that simply a

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couple of trees they're standing eight ten
foot taller than the rest. Can take

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a lot of that, and it
doesn't appear that there's a lot of wind

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on the ground could just make those
trees top heavy enough to tip. But

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it was interesting. I don't think
they've ever had anything like that happened at

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the Masses before, but just kind
of an example of some of the really

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weird weather we've been having throughout the
country and different different areas of the country,

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tornadoes showing up earlier than they normally
do in the spring. I mean,

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it's not odd to have a tornado
in April rather than May and June.

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But boy, they were showing up
a couple of weeks ago and huge

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numbers and doing a lot of damage. I mean a lot of times when

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you have tornadoes they stay kind of
in rural areas, clipped the edge of

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a town whatever. Boy, it
seems like last you bout to them that

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you've seen on the news have just
absolutely been destroying established areas, so pretty

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devastating. What do you guys normally
get in your area for bad bad weather?

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I mean, is it do you
see a lot of it in the

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spring or I mean, we have
storms typically, But the thing here in

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the area where we live in just
across the road from us is a floodplain,

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so they have lots of flooding.
I mean, we have soccer fields,

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you know, a few miles away
from the house, and they're completely

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into water at times if we get
two or three days of like torrential downpours.

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But we've never had any issues here
on the property. Think goodness,

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we have elevation changes and everything sort
of flows into the two creeks on the

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property, and we fortunately knock on
Wood, have not had too big of

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an issue, but we get a
lot of wind. We had a ton

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of wind over the last week or
so, but not a ton of stuff.

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Somebody's asking where we're at. We're
in North Carolina, in the foothills

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of North Carolina, in the Lenore
area up near Boone and Appalachian State.

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If you're familiar with that area.
Yep, yeah, Well, you know,

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that's another interesting thing about all of
our hosts on the Untold Radio Network

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is kind of the geographic representation that
we have, myself Doug Hichecker in the

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Minnesota area. We've got doctor Dean
Bertram who's over in Wisconsin not too far

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away from us. But then we've
got you know, Jim Myers with Sasquatch

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I'll post over in Colorado. We've
got some representation up in the Northwest.

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And you know, so many of
our viewers that we've gotten to know real

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well in the chats on YouTube and
Facebook, you kind of get to know

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where they're from too, and they
share the weather and the experiences that they're

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having, and it's just it makes
you realize if you talk about a storm

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anywhere in this country right now,
there's usually a few people on chat who

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are in that area and experiencing it. It's pretty interesting to have that kind

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of live interaction and hear that kind
of feedback from people. So I was

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going to pull up a couple of
things that I had ran across in the

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news. Well, I'll tell you
what, Usually when I look at some

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of the new seeds I look at, it's a pretty good mix between the

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typical stuff you're seeing on the networks. You know, the Ukraine and you

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know, different things like that,
and then usually there's a lot of intriguing

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stuff science, whether you know cultural
news. It isn't all politics. And

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one of those articles I ran across
was talking about the Lowland gorilla and its

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population number. I guess the reason
why I found this article so interested.

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It's very short, but the reason
why I found it so interesting is I

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felt like anybody who's going to involve
themselves in an interest in trying to further

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the documentation of the existence of sasquatch
and it's going to be taking parts in

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these conversations that we find ourselves having
in what that would look like and how

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do we get there. It's helpful
to understand different species and how they've dealt

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with population challenges and things like that, especially when you start talking about large

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primates. So let me share this
and pull it up. She probably had

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that ready to go, but let's
see here. I say good morning to

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Darryl and the chat. What's up
man? Had a great show with Darryll.

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I see Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society.
What's up man, Uncle Bones?

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How are y'all doing. I don't
like to miss people, but appreciate you

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guys being here, joining your conversation
of the irregulars, Grasshopper, Texas Jack

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Former everything. It's nice to see
the lot of our people showing up over

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and over all. Right, so
let's pull this up here. This would

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be hard to zoom in, but
I'm just gonna read you what this says.

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Says the Western Lowland gorillas, the
most numerous and widespread of gorilla subspecies.

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Populations can be found in Cameroon,
Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic

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of Congo, and Equatorial Guinea.
Now, the exact number of Western Lowland

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gorillas is not known, but I
did some research on this and the latest

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kind of agreeable number that mostly scientists
have that are really well funded and studying

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these gorillas is three hundred round three
hundred and sixteen thousand, which kind of

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blew me away. I'm thinking,
that's a lot. That seems like a

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lot as any species goes that's breeding
and healthy. Maybe that doesn't. That's

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not a big number, but you
know, for something like we're tom I'm

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thinking, God, that seems like
a lot. And I really started thinking

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about how easy it is is it
to see these things, Like if you

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go out into these areas, is
it normal to see them? Or do

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they avoid humans? Or do you
walk through the jungle and never even know

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they were there? You know,
that sort of thing. But one of

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the things I learned from the article
is it says significant populations of these creatures

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still exist, including in isolated swamps
and the remote swampy forests of the Republic

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of Congo. Western lowland gorillas can
be distinguished from other gorilla subspecies. They're

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a little bit smaller, their brown
gray coats in auburn chess. They also

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have wider skulls and more pronounced brow
lines and smaller ears. Large numbers have

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not been protected. Now that's an
important part of this have not been protected

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with this species protecting them from decline
because of poaching and disease. The three

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and sixteen thousand number that they're putting
on these is sixty percent lower than what

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it was twenty to twenty five years
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that there used to be seven hundred
thousand of these simply just a couple of

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decades ago, you realize how fragile
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not protected. And it kind of
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you know, if we are successful
in proving to science and the rest

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of the world that there is a
species of sasquatch that exists, what kind

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of protection would need to be in
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trends, you know, because it
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especially in the animal kingdom, you
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only bring all this up because I
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population, and the more that we
understand about what's happened to other species and

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how they've been affected by certain things, it's a little bit easier to have

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us a conversation about what would this
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do? But yeah, you know, you even when you hear people talk

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about the possible populations, how many
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America? I don't know what that
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to put a number on it,
it would be significantly less than three hundred

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and sixteen thousand. But yet you
see the population on these guerrillas and how

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that's declined sixty percent in the last
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you realize whatever number we're putting on
it now could have been twice that or

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more when Patterson Gimlin, let's say, caught the film at Bluff Creak.

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You know, I mean, there's
so many things that change in our cycling

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that we don't really take a lot
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had to have been part of conversations
hearing people talk about what their guesses are

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on them a population size of sasquatch
and the things that would need to be

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done if they were discovered to kind
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any thing notable that you've heard people
talking about. Yeah, it's been a

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conversation recently on the show with a
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with Pat Spain who is a wildlife
biologist, and I just had Niko from

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he works at the North American Bigfoot
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he's also part of the fossil team
and he does paleontology, and that was

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one of the things that came up
on the show with both of them,

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was and other people have even talked
about the conversation around conservation, and you

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know, Grasshopper was saying in the
chat, you know, I believe Bigfoot

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does fine without us getting involved,
honestly, and I think it would be

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the same thing with you talking about
the Lowland Guerrillas, right, They talked

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about two factors that reduce their population
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which means we got involved, right, not necessarily on the disease part of

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it, but the poaching is certainly
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very similar with Bigfoot. I think
the population, in my opinion, is

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way lower than three hundred thousand of
these things across the country. Here in

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just North America. I think they're
doing fine without us, right, because

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the conversation always comes up, well, what do you do if they're recognized

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by science and they say, yes, this is a real species, and

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we know that there's one right here
in this little speck of dutort in Idaho,

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for example, Well, how do
you know it's going to be there

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next week? Like, where do
you start casting the net then and saying,

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Okay, we're going to set aside
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a little bit different in areas where, you know, maybe in Cameroon where

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these guerrillas are at. When you're
talking about across the United States, how

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do you start setting up areas and
cordinging them off for bigfoot? You really

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can't do that. So outside of
maybe passing laws and saying it's illegal to

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kill one of these things, I
think it really stops there as far as

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our involvement and just leaving them the
hell alone, because they're doing just fine.

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If they're out there now, they're
doing fine without us, in my

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opinion, Stay tuned for more sasquatch
Outysea. We'll be right back after these

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messages. Yeah, you know,
I it's you got to be really careful

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in understanding that we're talking about something
that we're probably related to a little bit

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more closely than elk and moos and
bears and things like that, you know,

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and if they have a complex way
of thinking and whatnot, it makes

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you realize there is an open discussion
on possibly even like, you know,

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what type of rights would they have
to be able to enjoy and the respect

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that's given to them as a species. Every other big game animal is really

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regulated by you know, control by
harvest in order to keep population levels healthy.

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However, you know, we don't
have those conversations with gorillas because their

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numbers are so small. We need
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I don't believe that. I do
believe that Grass is absolutely right.

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These things are doing fine on their
own, and probably the you could have

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the argument that the best thing we
could do for them is not proved that

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they exist if they do, you
know, because what comes after that.

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Hell, as human beings, we
have a hard time regulating ourselves, to

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be honest with you, I mean, you see the division there is in

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what's right for humans, what's you
know? And I don't know how if

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humans are really equipped to have an
educated discussion on what would be best for

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something that we don't really understand.
Do you understand what it's like to live

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twenty four hours a day in the
wilderness your whole life? The way that

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we've had these discussions on my show
before, you know, the time that

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I spend teaching my kid to drive
or teaching you know, helping my kid

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with calculus or whatever. All they
do is teach their kids how to be

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elusive and remain unseen. And that
that's every moment they spend is dedicated to

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the culture of remaining elusive and surviving. And yet we're watching football games and

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you know, we don't focus on
that hardly at all, and so would

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we even be able to have a
conversation on what would be best for them?

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You know, I don't have a
lot of faith in that, to

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be honest with you. And you
look at how so many other things are

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affected. You know, when we
look at trying to protect something, how

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different industries are affected by that.
You know, forestry industries, natural gas

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industry, all kinds of industries are
affected by every small, little decision that's

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made to try to help or protect
something. And so the impact that these

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decisions have are quite quite expound,
really, so I think it only strengthens

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the argument they're doing fine on their
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that's my thought, man. I
think every action has an equal and

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opposite reaction. For everything you protect, something is going to fall by the

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wayside or something else is going to
be affected by that. I think the

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best thing we can do sometimes is
nothing at all when it comes to human

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beings. Just my two cents.
Well, one of the one of the

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other interesting articles I ran across who
had to do I was at kind of

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it's funny how the timing of certain
things to happen. I was at my

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eye doctors the other day and it
was talking to my eye doctor about different

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eye colors and whatnot, and he
says, you know, there's an interesting

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article on that he was telling me
about, and I couldn't find it.

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And then now here, just a
couple of weeks later, I find an

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article on this that just seemed kind
of interesting, and that's that every blue

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eyed person on the planet is the
descendant of one single person. Pretty interesting

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articles. Has ever wondered why your
eyes are the color they are? Well,

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wander no more. Every blue eyed
person is a descendant from a single

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European who lived around six thousand and
ten thousand years ago. According to scientists,

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how did they work it out?
Originally, all humans had brown eyes

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in various shades until there was a
specific mutation that made the change. The

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mutation is called is a gene called
h RC two, and it switches off

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OCA two, the gene that determines
how much brown pigment we make. So

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that's why eyes became blue. As
for being descended from the same person,

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the evidence for this is because every
blue eyed person alive today has the same

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exact mutation. Scientists I reckon only
eight to ten percent of the population have

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blue eyes, and eyes don't fully
develop in childhood, meaning the brown pigment

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can kick in later, causing blue
eyed children to end up with brown eyes

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in adulthood. And we've seen that
happen an awful lot. If you have

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blue eyes, now you know your
family is a lot bigger than you might

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have thought previously. Now, one
important thing to consider here is when they

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call brown eyes. If you ask
them what your eye color, most people

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who say their eyes are green,
they're actually brown eyes. They might have

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a hazel or an olive color to
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But the amount percentagewise of people in
the world that actually have what scientists

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determine to be green eyes is only
two to three percent. So if you've

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got green eyes, you're really in
a small crowd. And those are true,

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true green eyes. Most of the
people obviously have brown eyes or some

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variation depending on the amount of pigment
that that mutation kicks in to determine how

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brown your eyes are. But for
eight out of ten people, there's enough

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brown pigment in your eyes that you're
considered to be brown eyed. But no,

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I thought that was interesting because I
didn't realize technically everybody with blue eyes

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is a descendant of one single person
who developed this mutation. You've never heard

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that I have green eyes, so
I'm in a smaller minority than than even

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yeah folks, but yeah, you
know, I used to describe mines as

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green. They're they're kind of a
hazily green, you know. But I

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would think science would pisa I have
brown eyes just because there is they aren't

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true that aqua green color you know
that you tend to see in people who

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have green eyes, or that emerald
green color. Remember when I was in

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a lot younger, I had emerald
green contacts and I lost one and I

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had some clear disposable contacts, So
I, as a joke one time,

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wore just one green contact and I
would would go out to the bar that

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night or something with friends and people
would be talking to me and they'd go,

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holy smokes, do you know that
you have one green eye? And

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I'd always act surprised. I'd be
like, what I do? You know,

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Like I've lived my whole life and
never noticed this, you know,

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but yeah, you know, so
you have green green eyes. Yeah,

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it's kind of hard to tell ot
camera, but there they are green.

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The small club, the small club, and be curiously if anybody else,

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Sandra Piper says she has green eyes. I'm wondering how many people in chat

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have green eyes? That's it's because
it's interesting. But how about you?

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Have you seen anything in the news
that's caught your eye lately that seems intriguing

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or something you didn't know before.
I tend to stay away from the news

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quite honestly. I'm immersed in doing
the shows and the research for the shows.

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But I've had a couple of interesting
things come up on just in discussion

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recently on the shows that you know, maybe we can get into and one

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of the things that's happened over there. And I'm sure you've dealt with this,

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Jeff, because you've had people on
that you've interviewed that I've had encounters.

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But a lot of the time when
we have these folks on that are

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sharing their encounters, you get those
people that some of their stuff is out

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there, right, it's a little
bit more in depth, that's a little

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bit more fantastical. And I always
get those comments that come through about people's

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mental health, right, And I
think that's something that frankly, I haven't

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really talked a lot about on the
show, but it's something that I definitely

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want to start getting into because I've
had a couple of interviews over the last

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couple of months that people have reached
out to me and sent me messages and

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said, you know, I'm not
so sure about that person. They seem

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like, you know, and one
guy, even in particular, one listener,

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reached out to me, I think
it was on Instagram and sent me

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a message and he was like,
look, dude, you were a cop

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for sixteen years. You know when
somebody's crazy or not right, and I'm

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like, yeah, you know,
can I go out on a call and

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go face to face with somebody on
a nine one one call and say they

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might have some mental health issues on
board? Sure? Obviously I know what

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mental health issues look like. I
know how some of those manifest But when

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you're talking to somebody about an anecdotal
experience that they had maybe twenty years ago,

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it's a little bit more difficult to
do. And I don't have a

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PhD. I'm not a doctor.
I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist,

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and I don't bring people on my
show to diagnose any mental health issue.

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But I think it's a conversation.
Have you had that come up on your

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show? If you had people on
that you maybe afterwards, maybe in retrospect,

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or maybe they didn't make it on
the show, did you think this

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person might have some mental health issues
on board? Yeah? I have,

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you know. I mean a lot
of it for me is not so much

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on the show. It's more just
listening to people share their encounters. And

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I'm the type of guy that I
don't care if it's something that I tend

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to believe in or not if you
want to. If you told me today

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I've got a dog man encounter,
I want to share with you. I've

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got a u a phone encounter.
I'm cracking a beer and sliding up to

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the edge of my seat, and
I'm ready because I love to hear people.

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Sure, So, one thing I
try to be cognitive of is that

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while there's a couple of things,
one, just because it hasn't happened to

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me doesn't mean that it may not
have happened to them. I have to

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approach things with at least a little
bit of an open mind like that.

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The other is that even if I
don't believe that this happened, that does

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not mean that they don't believe this
happened to them. There are a lot

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of things in life that can lead
someone to be under the perception that something

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happened to them that may not have. But another interesting thing that you may

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find some interest in is I watch
a lot of videos from a couple of

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different sources in the law enforcement background. One of them is Code Bluecam.

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I get all their videos daily.
It's chef cam and dash mountcam footage of

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all these stops throughout the state of
Wisconsin. How I patrol sheriff's departments.

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And it's interesting on how these law
enforcement professionals deal with people because they can't

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make that assumption either, although they
have to analyze what's going on here.

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Right. They'll stop somebody and it's
like, well, they seem like they're

407
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.559
under the influence of something, but
yet they don't smell alcohol. They'll give

408
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:25.960
somebody the first step of a field
sobriety test, and they seem to have

409
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.920
coordination, and yet the way they're
communicating it just doesn't make sense. They're

410
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.960
trying to factor what's going on here, right, because this person doesn't seem

411
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:43.200
like they're safe to drive at this
point, or the way they're comprehending things.

412
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.400
Is this because they're under the influence
of something else? Or is this

413
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.960
a mental glitch they're having. Is
it a temporary one, is it a

414
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:59.200
diagnosed one? What other medications are
they taking? I mean, when you

415
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.440
see the questions and the run through
they go with somebody to try to figure

416
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.079
this out. In the end,
sometimes they just have to land on the

417
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:14.280
most possible options. This person's lost
it, you know, they're not mentally

418
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.119
there to a point where they should
be driving right now, and those health

419
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:23.480
issues will those mental health issues can
progress to get worse or better. So

420
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.199
this may be somebody who a year
ago didn't have any issues, you know,

421
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.360
and it's just gotten to a point
where they're dealing with something that makes

422
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.519
it unsafe for them to be behind
the wheel. But I think it's really

423
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:42.239
interesting to see how law enforcement has
to deal with coming to the determination of

424
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.920
is this person of sound mind or
not? Once you start learning how they

425
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.440
do that, I think some of
that is applicable to when you have these

426
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.960
discussions with people and people are sharing
with you, they're encounters. It's more

427
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:06.519
than just reading body language. It's
understanding the points they're trying to make and

428
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:12.000
the origins that they seem to be
deriving from, and you know how they

429
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.719
communicate them and things like that.
But yeah, I've I've had people on

430
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:22.679
the show that looked just because I
don't agree with them doesn't mean they're crazy,

431
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:25.920
first of all, And second,
I don't have to agree with somebody

432
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.440
to be able to learn something from
them. So I try to just pay

433
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.360
attention to something here that I can
learn from all of this. But that's

434
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.719
sort of my point. When people
reach out and say, you know that

435
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.679
story was just too far out there? Well, what makes it too far

436
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.039
out there? You know, who's
to say that that didn't happen to them.

437
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.320
Maybe it didn't happen exactly the way
they say it did, but it

438
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.840
in their mind it happened that way. They truly believe that they had that

439
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.320
experience, And were you entertained by
it at the end of the day.

440
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.920
Was it an entertaining story? Right? I'm the same way when it comes

441
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.000
to having folks on the show,
because here's the thing. My argument is

442
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.760
this, just because I have a
hunter on and I've got a great episode

443
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.960
that I just interviewed a guy for
the Sasquatch Out to See podcast and it'll

444
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.440
be out soon. He had an
experience like fifteen sixteen years ago while he

445
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.440
was hunting, he come face to
face with a sasquatch, and this dude

446
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.280
is torn up about this. He
admitted on the show that he turned to

447
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.239
alcohol to try to drown out the
issues he was having after his encounter.

448
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:31.400
And he is a very believable witness, one of the best witnesses in my

449
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:36.880
opinion, that I've ever interviewed when
it comes to recounting his story in detail

450
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:38.920
and he had to go through therapy
to get there and write down his story.

451
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.599
That was one of the things that
his therapist, over a course of

452
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.280
time told him to do, is
write your story down. It's one thing

453
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.960
to tell your wife, it's one
thing to tell your dad, it's another

454
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.320
thing to write it down. And
just because you see his interview and you'll

455
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.960
hear it in his voice when you
hear and see the episode, he's a

456
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.079
very credible witness. But if somebody
comes on and says, yeah, I

457
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.679
had this experience with Bigfoot that lasted
ten years, and I gifted them and

458
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.440
they would bring me things and leave
them on the porch, that's a little

459
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.280
out there for people. But here's
the point I try to make. Just

460
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.000
because this guy who tells his story
from fifteen to eighteen years ago seems very

461
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.840
credible, he's one hundred it happened
when he was hunting. Versus somebody over

462
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.599
here who tells another story that sounds
a little too fantastical. Who's the crazy

463
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.840
one here? Because guess what if
Bigfoot doesn't exist and there's a lot of

464
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.199
people out there on the fence about
it, if it doesn't exist at all,

465
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.280
then everybody who's ever told a story
is either a liar or they have

466
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.599
mental health issues and they're making the
things up right. So the point is

467
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.840
it just because somebody's story sounds more
credible than the other one, because in

468
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.719
your subjective mind it just sounds better
or it sounds like it could have happened,

469
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.760
doesn't necessarily mean that the other person's
crazy. So I said all that

470
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.079
to say, I'm putting together a
show and I'm going to get there.

471
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.760
I have a listener who has a
PhD in mental health. She's been in

472
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.920
the mental health field for decade.
As we're putting together a show, hopefully

473
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.920
a live show I'll do on YouTube
with her so people can ask some questions

474
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.199
and we're going to talk about some
of the mental health issues that may play

475
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.119
a factor in some of the stories
that people tell. But overall, in

476
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.920
general, I think probably ninety nine
percent of the people who come forward and

477
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:22.800
tell they're particularly Bigfoot encounter stories are
probably saying and they did have an experience

478
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.760
that's very similar, if not exact, to what they share on the show.

479
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:29.800
Yeah, you know, I did
a show. I've featured them on

480
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.039
my show a couple of times.
I've I've interviewed him, and he's a

481
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:37.079
part of the feature him and part
of the book that I've got coming out

482
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:43.039
Leon Thompson, who is a mental
health professional who really looks at kind of

483
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:50.320
the signs that people display when they've
endured something like PTSD or you know,

484
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:55.199
in duress, how that tends to
correlate, and how they share things,

485
00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:00.239
and how it's affected them, how
they deal with them. And I've an

486
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.000
awful lot from him, just you
know, paying attention to things that maybe

487
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.960
normally I wouldn't have paid attention to. But one thing that I've learned is,

488
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.679
you know, I had an experience
in which for me, whether being

489
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.639
a believer or a nonbeliever, it
feels like by default I don't get to

490
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:22.880
make a choice in it anymore.
But I operate under without understanding how many

491
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.679
of these are out there, Where
are they and where aren't they, and

492
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.039
all these different things that factor into
the likelihood of somebody having an encounter with

493
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.960
one. I don't know where those
parameters exist, really, and so when

494
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:43.800
somebody says they've had an experience and
they share it, I'm trying to not

495
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:47.239
just learn what I can learn about
it, but I don't approach it just

496
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:53.920
because I feel I know that they
exist, that this person's telling the truth.

497
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:59.239
I mean, I would go on
on the record before is saying half

498
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:05.840
tongue in cheat calf serious that you
know the thousand episodes of Bigfoot, Otis

499
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.079
or I'm sorry, Sashquash chronicles that
are out there, you know, maybe

500
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:15.360
half of them aren't troupe right or
are embellished to an extent. I just

501
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.599
I think you'd be naive to go
under the approach that, well, they're

502
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.239
all for real, you know,
they have to be. I don't think

503
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.639
there is anything that says they have
to be. I think there's reasons why

504
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:32.800
people will make up an account or
will embellish and experience. But whatever those

505
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:39.559
reasons are, the last thing that
they probably need if somebody's hurting or somebody's

506
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.400
damaged in a way that they're doing, that last thing they need is me

507
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:53.239
stomping them into nothing because I don't
feel they're being honest. Now, I

508
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.679
say that with the understanding people need
to understand. We're talking about people who

509
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:05.079
are or whether it's loneliness, whether
whatever they're trying to do to develop relationships

510
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:09.719
with other people, they're telling something
that isn't true. In order to develop

511
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:16.400
a relationship or with somebody that they
perceive is they'll understand me, they'll be

512
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:21.800
my friend, this, and that. The last person somebody in those shoes

513
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.840
needs is somebody crushing them. You
know, they're already hurting, so I

514
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.960
want to be careful about that.
Plus, they're really not out trying to

515
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:37.599
defraud people like you know, they're
not out hoaxing something in order to defraud

516
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.159
people or profit from it. One
of the comments that was made in chat,

517
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.559
and I believe let me, I
think it was like Kevin. He

518
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:52.440
said I'd rather be become more developed
or get better than be entertained. I

519
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.320
would agree with that, But I
will say this when somebody sharing an encounter

520
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.199
on the backside of hearing it,
whether I believe them or not, I

521
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.000
really have to look at this and
say, either there was some value there

522
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.719
it was entertaining to listen to them, or I really gleaned and learned something

523
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:15.679
from that that I can apply to
my research or my understanding of something,

524
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:22.360
regardless of where I arrive on it. I don't think the endgame is to

525
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.320
crush somebody or to hurt somebody worse
than they may be hurting. Now,

526
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:30.440
stay tuned for more Sasquatch Out to
See. We'll be right back after these

527
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:37.159
messages. Yeah, I agree,
And that's one of the things that I

528
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.159
set out to do all the time. And I've given my time to people

529
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:43.000
that have never made it on the
show. I've recorded interviews with folks and

530
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.280
they just I don't post it because
I and that's only happened a couple of

531
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.880
times, but I think that there
might have been some mental health issues on

532
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.519
board, and I spent thirty forty
five minutes to an hour on the phone

533
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.599
or on the video chat with them
and I let them tell their story and

534
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.199
they appreciated that. So sometimes if
that's all I have to do to help

535
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.079
somebody get through whatever they're going through, I'm willing to do that. Former

536
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:06.679
everything's asking in the chat. Have
I seen a bigfoot? No? I

537
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.599
have not for those that have,
That's one of the things that it goes

538
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.320
back to the audience of the show, right you kind of know, like

539
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.679
for me, I know, the
tens of thousands of people that listen to

540
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.719
Sasquatch Out to See every single week
come for different reasons. Plenty of people

541
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.239
come up to me. I've been
at conferences recently and they come up and

542
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.199
say, I just love you.
Know. My wife and I put you

543
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.079
on before we go to bed,
and we listen until we both go to

544
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.000
sleep. We like going to sleep
to the stories. And then there are

545
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:36.239
serious researchers who listen to gain in
glean information from encounters. And that's why

546
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:39.320
I do the show. I like
to put together the commonalities and some of

547
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.880
the things that stick out in the
stories from different geographical areas, and I

548
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:47.400
like to sort of catalog those in
my brain and the next time I hear

549
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.000
something like that, I can say, you know, I interviewed somebody last

550
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.760
year who had a very similar experience
to you, and they were miles and

551
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.360
miles and miles apart. One was
on the other side of the country or

552
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:00.559
whatever. That's that's why it's so
it's to me to document those stories.

553
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:05.519
But for some people it is simple
entertainment when it comes to that. You

554
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.840
know, I like to watch documentaries. I like to watch true stories about

555
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.840
true crime and other things. I
like to read things that are based on

556
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.760
true stories. Some people like fantasy, So there's a fine line between the

557
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.400
two. And like you said,
at the end of the day, if

558
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.800
they're not defrauding somebody, if they're
not setting out to make money off their

559
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:28.360
story and they're just telling their story
for whatever reason. I appreciate that because

560
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.920
I think there's something to be gained
and something to be learned from every single

561
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.079
story out there. So that's why
I let them come on the show and

562
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.039
tell their stories. Regardless. I
see Leon's and chat Now, his nose

563
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:43.840
must have been itching because I was
talking about them. But yeah, I

564
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:45.559
want I want Leon to be a
part. I haven't reached out to Leon,

565
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.960
but I definitely want him to be
a part of that discussion when I

566
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.159
bring Emma on and we talk about
the mental health and get some insight and

567
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:58.119
perspective. Obviously, I trust in, I respect Leon's perspective on tons of

568
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.440
different things, and that's one of
the big that he does for a living.

569
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.400
He's pretty good at that, so
I'd like him to be a part

570
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.760
of that discussion. Yeah, and
it's also you know, I mean,

571
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.800
i'd become friends with Leon for a
while now and to see what himself.

572
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:15.280
I mean, not that he really
cares that I'm here saying this, but

573
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.719
I want him to know that he
is an inspiring individual to understand what he

574
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:25.400
went through healthwise, he is a
cat who has exhausted all nine lives and

575
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:32.239
is still moving. It is incredible
the movement that he's made in the recovery

576
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.800
of where he was a year ago
and where he is now. And people

577
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.039
can go to his channel and learn
more about what he endured and what he

578
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:44.039
went through. But you know,
he was basically found on his floor to

579
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.639
a point to where he had to
learn to walk all over again. He

580
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.159
just the other day, and I
hope he doesn't mind me mentioning this.

581
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.719
I was talking to him on cam
with a friend and he said hold on.

582
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.239
He says, I'll be right back, And he turned around and stood

583
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.960
up and walked off of camera and
walked back on without having to use any

584
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.920
aid or a walker. And this
was something that I'd never and he was

585
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.440
wearing blue jeans, and this is
something that I hadn't seen in a year

586
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:20.519
from him, and it was just
amazing. I was like, wow,

587
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.840
you know, so you know to
talk about it, to not only spend

588
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.880
your life in a career where you
help others understand the things that they're dealing

589
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:36.039
with and help them overcome things,
but to actually be a walking testimony like

590
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.639
he is. It's really quite something. So but no, I you know,

591
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:45.320
last Monday night I had Joe Snyder
on who we had talked a little

592
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:50.800
bit about kind of how they classify
encounters. You know, the BFR has

593
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.920
been doing this for a long time
now, you know, and perhaps when

594
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.400
they started it was the right thing
to do, where they made it very

595
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:05.320
simple class in class B visual and
in the presence of but not surely right.

596
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.039
And you look at the differences.
I mean, seeing something three hundred

597
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.920
yards in front of out in the
edge of your headlights at four am,

598
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:17.039
where you're going seventy miles an hour
for one point two seconds is the same

599
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:23.960
classified encounter Class A as somebody like
Joe, or the encounter that I had

600
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.719
when I was eighteen, where you're
standing in front of one for a little

601
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.639
bit. I mean, it's it
seems like there's a gap there. There

602
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.159
should be an A plus A in
an A. Mine is as far as

603
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.079
you know, how those are classified. And one of the things that was

604
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:45.800
in our discussion was the source and
the integrity of the source. When you

605
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:53.400
start talking about a law enforcement sheriff's
deputy who is standing in somebody's backyard investigating

606
00:47:54.400 --> 00:48:01.400
something, and there it is standing
fifty feet from him in a versus somebody

607
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.960
who says, yeah, we'd been
drinking that night, and I looked out

608
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.599
the window of my house and I
could see it standing two hundred yards away.

609
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:15.079
You know, I mean, I
don't know that just the source itself

610
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:21.400
lends more credibility to one over the
other, you know. But I'm not

611
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:27.519
trying to discourage anybody from sharing any
encounter, despite what the parameters are around.

612
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.559
I'm just saying how it's going to
be digested and perceived. It's going

613
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.679
to be different in some cases and
others based on where it's coming from.

614
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:37.800
I think it's going to be with
everything. And I had this conversation I

615
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.880
had Scott from the Bigfoot Mapping Project
on the show about a week or so

616
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.559
ago, and that's one of the
things that came up with Scott was vetting

617
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.760
and considering the source. And again, you know, it's like Scott said,

618
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.000
with the vetting, it's almost impossible
to vet an anecdotal story, you

619
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:57.639
know, you just sort of have
to take it at face value, and

620
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.119
comes in he reads every single one
of them. So if you if you

621
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.679
go to the Bigfootmapping Project, on
there's an app you can get for like

622
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.039
two bucks for the year. It's
one time two bucks and you get to

623
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.400
see the full map. Or you
can go to the Bigfootmap project website and

624
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.000
take a look at all the stuff. I think he's amasked about five hundred

625
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.679
or so reports over the last two
years. But that's what he said.

626
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.880
You know, I have to take
it when it comes in if it's clearly

627
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.199
not somebody just trying to spoof for
hoax or I think that's the main thing

628
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.920
for him, just being able to
identify that if you if you don't have

629
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:36.599
any indicators there to suspect that,
then it is what it is. You

630
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.360
know, somebody who says I grew
up hunting my whole life, or I

631
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.320
was in the military for fourteen years
as a scout, or with a ranger

632
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.559
metallion, or you know people who
are in the outdoors, somebody who is

633
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.599
a forest ranger, work for the
Forestry Service for ten years. You look

634
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:58.679
at these some of these different backgrounds
versus somebody who says I've spent my whole

635
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.079
life growing up in Metro Chicago and
last year on vacation when we drove through

636
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.840
Yellowstone Park, two hundred and fifty
yards away, I saw an upright standing

637
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.800
in a field, and I know
for a fact it wasn't a bear.

638
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.159
Now, when they say I know
for a fact it wasn't a bear,

639
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:22.400
they're comparing that to their reference,
their library of reference of experience in that

640
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:29.880
lifetime, against somebody who's maybe a
hunter or a forestry official saying I know

641
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.960
for a fact it wasn't a bear. I'll tell you what. Those are

642
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.360
two different statement. They sound the
same, but when you consider the source,

643
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.079
they are two different statements. Yeah, exactly, and you always have

644
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:43.920
to consider the source, right.
But again, you know, I'm not

645
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.280
out, Like I said, I'm
not out to discourage anybody from sharing their

646
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:52.280
encounter because I can guarantee you this
right now. I don't care what you're,

647
00:50:53.199 --> 00:51:00.559
what your background is, whatever.
Understand that you don't have a burden

648
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:06.440
to get somebody to believe you or
not believe you if you share your encounter

649
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.599
story. When I shared my encounter
that I had when I was younger,

650
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:14.840
I certainly understood that there'd be people
who wouldn't believe it. I'm fine with

651
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.119
that, doesn't you know the reason
why I shared is I think there are

652
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:24.320
other people who have had significant experiences
in their life that feel like it's too

653
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.480
taboo to talk about. I'm going
to lose my job, I'm gonna lose

654
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.199
my family, I'm gonna lose friends. But not everybody's gonna believe me.

655
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:36.039
They're gonna think I'm crazy. You
know. That's the way I kind of

656
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.800
felt on the front side of sharing
it. But now that I have shared,

657
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:45.159
I've come to grips with the fact
that I don't have some burden to

658
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:51.199
get somebody to believe me. Everybody
out there is on their own journey,

659
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.400
and they all require a different level
of data and proof for them to believe

660
00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.480
in anything, whether it's God,
money, religion, ever, what's better

661
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:05.599
Chevy or Ford. They have data
they look at and come to their own

662
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.840
conclusion. I would say, tell
y'all is better. But your story came

663
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.119
up when I had Scott on the
show. We talked about yours because Scott

664
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:19.280
said we were talking about close up
encounters and how he believed he was talking

665
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.039
about pro kill or kill, and
he was talking about nobody had really he

666
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.480
had never documented an actual encounter where
somebody was injured or one of the things

667
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.480
really threatened. And I said,
well, Jeff had a pretty harrowing experience

668
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.320
with this thing through chunked a log
at him that it was holding and hit

669
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.639
you in the chest with it,
and he was like, holy shit.

670
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.199
Really, I was like, yeah, that happened. So I think those

671
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.719
stories in and of themselves, there's
a lot of people out there who may

672
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.400
have a misconception that it's all coomed
by yah and everybody who sees one of

673
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.719
these things is skipping through the woods
holding hands, and that's not entirely accurate.

674
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.159
So for people like you who have
had an experience where it did get

675
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.880
physical, and I think that's important
for people to hear. Well, you

676
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:06.559
know, I shared my encounter in
depth on a show one time larger channel.

677
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.920
It's gotten you know, seventy eighty
thousand views in a couple of months

678
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.719
since I shared it. They you
know, I don't make up the titles

679
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.880
to other people's shows. They had
wrote down attacked by a sasska, right,

680
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.360
And I'm thinking, you know,
I never really thought about that as

681
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:28.760
me being attacked. I mean,
certainly, if it wanted to kill me,

682
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:34.119
it could have killed me immediately.
I was I kind of feel like

683
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.880
the number one objective of any of
these in any time it comes into contact

684
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.800
with humans as I want you to
leave. I don't want you to be

685
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.719
here. That is the number one
objective in order for them to survive,

686
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:58.360
remain elusive, remain unbothered. There
may be a few small cases or stories

687
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.239
that are out there that maybe don't
seem to follow that mode, but I

688
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.760
think for the most part, they
just don't want you there. And my

689
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.599
problem was, at eighteen years old, even though I'd been in the outdoors

690
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.679
an awful lot, you know,
the son of a hunting guide, things

691
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:17.199
like that, I was kind of
oblivious to maybe some of the things that

692
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:21.280
would make a lot of people say, I need to get out of here.

693
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:27.400
When it broke the log and that
crack was like like thunder, you

694
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.840
know. I mean, it was
just so still, and the air was

695
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:35.880
wet and echoe and and yet I
walked up the trail anyways. And then

696
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:39.760
when I thought there was a black
I really believe that this is going to

697
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.440
be a black bear, and I
didn't want to run away from it,

698
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:49.880
and kind of invoked this kind of
a chase mode or a mechanism. Plus

699
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.559
it was the first week of June. This thing could be with cubs.

700
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.400
I definitely don't want to run away
here. I'd like to at least understand

701
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.199
where it's at before I start retreating. And I was pretty convinced this thing

702
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.719
was forty to fifty yards away from
me. So when I was standing there

703
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.320
watching the dead vall, watching the
timber, waiting to see that black movement

704
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:15.079
in the cedar scrubs, and I
just wasn't seen. I think that the

705
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.239
reason why I share this is I
think that they have this kind of escalated

706
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.159
tear of response. They want you
to leave. I'm gonna break something.

707
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.559
A lot of people they hear that, they're gonna be like, I don't

708
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:29.360
know what the hendic that was,
but we're getting out of here, right.

709
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:31.960
Maybe it'll throw something at your rock
or something. They're like, well,

710
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.360
I don't know where that came from. I'm getting out of here.

711
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.800
Maybe it gets to a point where
you're oblivious or you're ignoring these things and

712
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:45.320
it needs to make a vocalization or
something, and still if you don't get

713
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.400
out of there, maybe it resorts
that I have to show myself now or

714
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.079
in this case, I don't think
that I wouldn't even describe it as it

715
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.360
threw it at me. It was
it had its hands underneath about a six

716
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:04.159
five to six foot long section of
birch branch that was about five six inches

717
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:09.920
round, and it almost effortlessly just
kind of shucked it forward from its waist

718
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.800
level and hit me in the stomach
and hips and knocked me off my feet.

719
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.920
I don't really feel like it attacked
me. It was just saying,

720
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.320
look, dude, what do I
gotta do to get you to leap right?

721
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.599
Because I think if it wanted to
attack me, it could have swung

722
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:29.039
a thing like a basil back and
killed me the first second I was standing

723
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.519
there looking for a bear, you
know. But I get what you're saying.

724
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:37.079
I mean this idea that this is
all rainbows and bubble gum and the

725
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:44.239
human nature. One thing Leon helped
me understand is like if you're walking down

726
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:49.039
a trail and you see some forest
language or whether a structure or something,

727
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.119
and you find a little woven thing
out of straw and say, oh,

728
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:58.039
it made this for me. I
mean, why does the world volve be

729
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:01.119
around us? Why do we think
the thing made this for me? Right?

730
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:06.719
I mean, this is so human
for us to look at stuff like

731
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.360
that could have made it out of
reverence for another one of its species that

732
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.960
it lost or something. Who knows
why it would have made something like that.

733
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.840
But this assumption that did it for
me, It makes me realize the

734
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.960
way we perceive stuff. I leave
at this. It left me that it

735
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:29.320
loves me and it gets along with
me. I'm not saying that's crazy.

736
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:35.079
I'm saying I think i'd be careful
on not really being able to put yourself

737
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.480
in this place and understand its reasonings
for doing things and don't just perceive it

738
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:45.000
from our human side and think it
does this for me or whatever. I

739
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.239
think that gets done way too often. I don't know that it's really applicable.

740
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.320
You know. Yeah, our perception
is what it is, obviously,

741
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.920
And like I said, I interviewed
Daniel from Idaho a couple of days ago

742
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.880
that she'll be out soon. He
was the hunter that I was talking about,

743
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.960
and he had a very interesting encounter
where it went on for almost an

744
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.760
hour before he actually ended up seeing
this thing, and it was a bunch

745
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.239
of knocks and at the end of
it, instead of you know, like

746
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.639
you said, most people perceive what's
going on with the knocks and the vocalizations

747
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:17.440
as things of you know, you
need to get the helllla here, you

748
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.320
need to leave. I don't want
you getting any closer. Daniel's experience to

749
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:27.760
him his perception afterwards, knowing what
he knows about stalking prey and prey animals

750
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.840
in general, he said he believes
that this thing was luring him in because

751
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:36.000
it only did the knocks when he
stopped moving. It never while he was

752
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.000
walking through the woods. He was
camoed out. He had I think he

753
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:42.199
had a three o eight on him. He was hunting elk, and this

754
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.079
thing would only knock when he stopped, and it kept drawing him closer.

755
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.000
And then it finally stepped out and
he got to see it, and it

756
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.840
culminated in a pretty interesting encounter.
But it was very interesting. I never

757
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.440
heard anybody say that they felt like
they were being drawn in like a prey

758
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:59.320
animal. And maybe this thing might
have seen his weapon and said, oh,

759
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.280
well, it's possible I can get
hurt again. It's all subjective,

760
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.719
it is all from his point of
view. But I thought it was very

761
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.440
interesting. It's the opposite of get
the hell out of here. He felt

762
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.639
like this thing was drawn him in, So kid, you Ninja asked if

763
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:14.760
I ever had an experience that I
can't explain in the woods. Absolutely,

764
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.599
I've talked about it several times on
Sasquatch Outsee and other shows. I've never

765
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:22.039
seen a big foot, but I've
had experiences that I think could be related

766
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.840
to, including some gifting stuff that's
happened on the property here. I love

767
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:29.440
the way he asked that too,
because that's something that we've talked about in

768
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.159
the past. Is. You know, I'm part of a network of hunting

769
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:36.280
GUIDs, and I always wanted to
pick their brains and see if any of

770
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.000
them has had an experience, you
know, quite honestly, as close to

771
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.880
some of them as I am.
If I would have asked them, have

772
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:49.559
any guys ever had any experience for
sasquatch. These are guys that all of

773
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:54.400
them spend probably over seventy days a
year and very very remote places of northern

774
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:00.679
Idaho, Montana, Saskatchewan. I
don't know that anybody would have said anything.

775
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.760
They would have all probably nobody would
have replied to the email, To

776
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.079
be honest with you, but if
I said, have any of you ever

777
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:13.840
had anything happening out there that you
couldn't find a natural explanation for and left

778
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:19.000
it at that. All of them
may have replied and shared something, and

779
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:24.320
in those discussions they get comfortable enough
to tell you about the time that they

780
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.440
saw something through a spotting scope on
the other side of a ridge that was

781
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:34.039
walking up right that didn't make any
sense to them, you know, But

782
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:36.880
they don't lead off with that story. They're not going to come out and

783
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.000
just tell you right out of the
gate. For whatever reason. Our human

784
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:45.440
nature, that fear of being judged, that fear of not being believed,

785
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:50.320
is going to make people very apprehensive. And how they'd lead the end of

786
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.159
these conversations. And I love how
Kyu said, have you ever seen anything

787
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:59.119
you couldn't find a natural explanation for? And I think that's a great way

788
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:02.920
to begin those conversation. Yeah,
it's a different question altogether, because if

789
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:06.559
you narrow the scope and you say, have you ever seen a big foot?

790
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.800
Well no, But if you asked
an open ended question about have you

791
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.039
ever had things that happened that you
can't explain, you start walking down a

792
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.360
different path and it could lead to
that obviously. But yeah, it's definitely

793
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:21.679
a better way to ask the question. For sure, Well you know,

794
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.320
and it's always the room that you're
in. I'd jokingly say I could probably

795
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:29.519
walk into the bait shop on the
lake that my leg comes on in northern

796
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.920
Minnesota. There's usually a bunch of
old fellas in there playing cards. You

797
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.599
know. I could walk in there
just about any damn day and say if

798
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:39.880
any guys ever seen a big foot
in half of them and just raise their

799
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.480
head. You know, you walk
into a cafe and Saint Louis and asking,

800
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.039
and everybody looks at you like they're
grabbing their smartphones rady to down nine

801
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:52.000
one one, you know, stay
tuned for more. Sasquatch out to see

802
01:01:52.039 --> 01:02:01.440
movie right back after these messages.
It's funny how those discussions are different in

803
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:06.639
certainly is I've talked to people who
live up in the Pacific Northwest and in

804
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:13.519
Alaska, and it's very easy to
have conversations about this subject with people that

805
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:17.280
you don't know. It's those discussions
are even if they haven't had one,

806
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.239
they don't feel like you're crazy for
asking, you know. It's more common

807
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.079
in a discussion whereas you know,
maybe different parts of the country that just

808
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:34.320
is like the level of taboo it
feels exists on it differently, you know,

809
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:39.159
is just looking to see here and
chat if anybody else had any questions.

810
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:44.199
But so, what do you got
coming up this week on your shows?

811
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:46.599
We all, I've got tons of
stuff coming up. I've got a

812
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:50.960
couple of different things in the works. But the one thing I definitely wanted

813
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.760
to mention that's coming up and I'm
sure it'll air on Weird Encounters, and

814
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.760
I'm certainly going to do a live
Sasquatch Outessee show on YouTube and it'll be

815
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.639
out on the regular podcast. I've
been trying to wrangle the cats and do

816
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:08.760
a Freeman big Foot Files episode sort
of roundtable. Right, So for those

817
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.719
that know Michael Paul Freeman, Paul
Freeman's son wrote a book recently, and

818
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.840
if you've got that book, you've
got an access, exclusive access to the

819
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:24.239
stabilized, non interlaced version, slowed
down beautiful footage that Doug and Alex worked

820
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:29.360
on, and you got to see
the Freeman footage in a way that nobody

821
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.280
else really has. But I reached
out to Michael a couple of what's been

822
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:35.679
almost a month ago now, and
I started talking about, you know,

823
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:38.400
I want to do a round table
and bring some folks on and show some

824
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:44.119
of that non interlaced footage because it
is much better than the original, and

825
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.519
for those basically in a nutshell,
interlaced footage video is just basically filling in

826
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:52.119
the gaps. Is a simplified version
of interlaced. It's sort of a way

827
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.559
to fill in the gaps and it
reduces flicker, and it's supposed to be

828
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:59.719
a better film. But ninety nine
percent of what you guys see if you

829
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.280
go google big Foot Freeman footage right
now, you're going to see a interlaced,

830
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:09.920
usually digital version of this. But
Michael has the original non interlaced footage,

831
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.320
so we want to release a little
bit of that on the show and

832
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.079
then have a roundtable. So I'm
trying to get Cliff Barrackman has said he's

833
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.320
going to be a part of it, doctor Rush Jones, Doug high Check,

834
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.679
of course, Michael Freeman. I'm
gonna have Wayne who is the host

835
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.159
of my Paranormal Odyssey show on there
as well. So I'm trying to get

836
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.880
like five people schedules together. So
it's been quite different, and every time,

837
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:32.800
you know how hard it is to
schedule one person for a live show,

838
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:36.280
and I'm trying to wrangle like six
kids along with my own schedule,

839
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.679
which is pretty demanding. So we're
gonna make that happen, and I think

840
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.440
it would be interesting for everybody to
be there because you are going to see

841
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.440
something that most people have never seen, which is a non interlaced version of

842
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.719
at least a portion of the film. And then we're going to talk about

843
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:53.360
it. Obviously, have Cliffs sort
of breakdown what he thinks about it.

844
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.119
Rush Jones, doctor Rush Jones is
going to talk a little bit about it.

845
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.880
Obviously, Doug who's seen tons of
videos and he can talk a little

846
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:02.360
bit about the process of how they
did what they did with the film that

847
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:06.440
you see in the book. So
yeah, it's interesting to hear Doug talk

848
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:13.639
about how you know, there's a
lot of people out there who believe the

849
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:17.119
PG film is real and yet when
they look at the Freeman film what they

850
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:23.159
had different concerns about it. And
I don't know that Doug would say that

851
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:29.239
he went into it one hundred percent
hips down all in that this is real.

852
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.599
But I think through the process of
this is that's where he's at,

853
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:38.639
you know, And so it obviously
does have a different perspective with it compared

854
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.559
to what most people have seen,
and I think that will be a really

855
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:45.599
interesting show. I think that would
be a great conversation for people to listen

856
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:48.599
to. Cliff Brackman was on the
show recently and we had a conversation about

857
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:53.079
that, and for him, you
know, the video is still inconclusive.

858
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.199
Video is always going to be inconclusive
no matter what you do to enhance it.

859
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.639
There's always going to be people naysayers
who say one way or the other.

860
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:01.760
But for him, it was the
footprints. It was the castings that

861
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:05.920
were made there. Because that same
sample, that same individual has been cast

862
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:11.599
hundreds of miles away by other researchers, including doctor Jeff Meldrum to name a

863
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:15.320
few, right, so it's a
known specimen in the database, which I

864
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.639
didn't know before talking to Cliff about
it. When you put all of that

865
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:21.000
stuff together and you take a look
at the film and you see that version

866
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:26.360
that's non interlaced, and you can
see this thing a lot clearer than you

867
01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:29.639
ever have been able to before,
and then you talk about the foot castings

868
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:31.920
that were taken that day. I
think for me, I came away from

869
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.800
I've seen that version. You know, Michael sent it to me a while

870
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:42.719
back, and it's definitely convincing as
far as I'm concerned. Yeah, well,

871
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:46.880
I've got a show tonight where I'm
going to have Steve Calls and Thomas

872
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:54.159
Steinberg and Eric from Media Palace is
going to join, and Joe is going

873
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.519
to be on. We've got a
little bit of a panel. We're gonna

874
01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:01.280
have a discussion on the future of
sash Watch research and maybe some of the

875
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:09.320
challenges that will be there based on
how liquid fast the technology of AI is

876
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:14.400
moving. We've kind of gotten to
a point where anything you film in real

877
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:20.159
life in forty five minutes, I
could recreate with AI, and I could

878
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:27.159
actually even write artificial metadata that you
would not be able to determine is not

879
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:31.280
valid. I mean it has gotten
to a point to where short of a

880
01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:39.920
body and short of a lab giving
an accredited, respectable lab giving DNA results

881
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:45.119
to substance tested, what are we
going to have video wise that we're going

882
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:50.199
to imagine shooting a drone footage of
two or three of them walking along or

883
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:57.719
and saying this is I captured this, and knowing that AI could write that

884
01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:02.639
and write the metadata and there's nothing
to determine that what you've filmed is actually

885
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:08.000
real, and what does that leave
us with? Where do those question marks

886
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:12.280
get drawn? Now, you know, it's not a discussion to where I

887
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:15.840
want to make it all about,
you know, technology. I think this

888
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:21.199
technology is great. I think the
advancement of technology. I support that the

889
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:27.119
way it will be used and other
is is unbelievably helpful to humans. But

890
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:33.079
this is one area where when it
comes to trying to document the existence of

891
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.720
an unknown species, certain areas that
could be helpful and a lot of areas

892
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:43.680
it could really be a detriment if
we don't understand how to analyze what we're

893
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.960
looking at. I think a lot
of that responsibility lies on the influencers and

894
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:53.920
the podcast host and the people working
in research and the people speaking at these

895
01:08:54.239 --> 01:09:00.520
different events to really respect the word
evidence versus data. If I were to

896
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:06.600
come up with footage of something that's
still data to be considered, I mean,

897
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:12.920
you may look and tell you can
show me that that is not AI

898
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:17.520
derived and that this is an authentic
video. Now, all of a sudden,

899
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:21.720
maybe that data could become evidence,
But I don't know that it starts

900
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:27.039
there by default anymore. You know, you know, we're not out to

901
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:31.560
portray it. You know, the
race to get AI advanced. You know,

902
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.720
we see it in pictures anybody could
download on their smartphone. I can

903
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:41.239
take fifty pictures of myself and then
say, hey, show me standing next

904
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:46.840
to a train in the eighteen eighties
and give it fifty seconds, and there's

905
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.760
a picture of me standing next to
a train. That's advancing to video.

906
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.359
Now. It's doing it so fast
that it will be possible to say,

907
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:03.720
show a set of large footprints walking
through foot deep snow parallel to a tree

908
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:09.000
line, and give it two minutes
and it will pop out a video of

909
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:15.840
that. And if you can utilize
today's technology or write the metadata that makes

910
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:20.800
that appear to be valid. We're
kind of having a hard point in getting

911
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:27.560
to the bottom of what's real and
what's artificial anymore. And that's going to

912
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:30.039
get harder and harder and harder,
and so I just want to have a

913
01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:36.399
realistic discussion how that might affect where
we go from here. It's gonna be

914
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:41.479
in all areas of life. I
mean, I use as an example,

915
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:45.840
if you had a car that did
twelve seconds in the quarter mile, you

916
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.920
can make AI data and show your
car doing a ten second quarter mile and

917
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:51.399
send me the video. And now, as far as I'm concerned, I

918
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:55.960
have to recognize your car as being
a ten second quarter mile car. I

919
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.920
can't prove that it's not. And
you said it comes down to the response

920
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:04.159
ability of the influencers in the community
and people who have the ear of lots

921
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.439
of people, And it comes down
to the conferences and the people who speak

922
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.479
there and what they present as evidence
as well. Because tons of people are

923
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.880
going to conferences and I think they're
great. I'm going to several. I'm

924
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.159
going to be at the East Tennessee
Para Coon April twenty eighth and twenty ninth.

925
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:23.920
I'm going to be at the Marrying
Bigfoot Festival May the twentieth, and

926
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.479
I'll be up at the Smoky Mountain
Bigfoot Conference in July. I think that's

927
01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.520
July twenty second or twenty third.
And I think it's important for people who

928
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.399
put those conferences on and the people
that they bring in to speak have some

929
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.399
sort of a responsibility as well to
call things what they are. If it's

930
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:42.000
data, it's data. If it's
evidence, it's evidence, and don't enter

931
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:45.520
because people take that as the gospel. They hear somebody like me or you,

932
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.720
or somebody on stage at a conference
say this is absolutely real or this

933
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:54.680
is absolutely this evidence, and it
may not necessarily be accurate. So I

934
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.840
think you have to be responsible in
what you say and what you do.

935
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:03.720
I think so many of the instances
that we've seen in the past year in

936
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:12.479
this community where there's disagreements amongst people
who have following of a lot of people

937
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.279
who look to them as being a
resource. Right, and you'll have one

938
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:21.880
butting heads with another so many times, is because something's represented as being factual

939
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:27.680
or truthful. It may be just
simply a hypothesis. You may have multiple

940
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.399
sets of data that make you feel
that in your area there's something here,

941
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:40.239
but until you can understand the parameters
of presenting that as factual. A good

942
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:45.560
representation of that was somebody who was
talking about knock theory would knock theory three

943
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:49.359
knocks followed by four knocks means this. You know, they may have came

944
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:56.640
to understand that in their area that
was something that they were leaning to discover,

945
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.600
was that there seemed to be a
pattern there. Now does that apply

946
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:06.039
geographically all over? No? I
don't know how to speak Chinese, you

947
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:11.920
know, I mean it's communication.
It could simply be something that's happening in

948
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:16.520
your area. Not to mention you
may be just simply wrong about but to

949
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.720
come out and faccy say if you
ever hear this, you better run because

950
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:25.640
this is what it means. You
are not doing this community of service by

951
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.880
presenting that information that way. I
definitely agree, and people who have that

952
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.359
approach and take that approach I tend
to stay away from on my show honestly

953
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.560
because I don't like that kind of
stuff. I think it's a disservice and

954
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:42.600
it's not accurate because unless you can
prove it, you're just hypothesizing and you're

955
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.000
just speculating like everybody else. So
and if that's fine, if that's what

956
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:47.560
you want to do, as long
as you preface it by that and understand

957
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.840
that you'll never hear me ever say
anything definitive on my show. Outside of

958
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:58.880
definitively, we know the sasquatch phenomenon
itself exists. Outside of that, everything

959
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.079
else is up for interpretation. And
you know, we have a lot of

960
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:04.239
subjective opinions. I have mine,
and everybody who comes on the show certainly

961
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.600
has theirs and it's fun to talk
about. It's entertaining, but it is

962
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.680
what it is at the end of
the day. Here's a comment, would

963
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.479
you present something you experience as factual? Did it not, in fact happen

964
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:19.359
to you? Too much attention on
how people seek. I would disagree a

965
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:24.319
little bit there. And here's why. As much as my encounter leads me

966
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.720
to believe that I don't have a
choice in the matter anymore, that these

967
01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:31.520
things exist in my mind, my
encounter are simply data for somebody else to

968
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:36.239
consider, and that's it. It
will never be proved to anybody but me,

969
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:43.680
ever, And that's a fact that, yeah, I what happened to

970
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:45.960
me happening, But it's only a
fact to me because I'm the only one

971
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.560
who was there other than my two
friends. It's facts to them, but

972
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:56.920
it's not a fact to Brian.
It's data to be considered. It's anecdotal

973
01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.199
evidence for everybody who hears your story
to process and take away from what they

974
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.039
want and believe or not. You
know, I get it. There's that

975
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:09.640
I love when our chat is interacting
with us in the show, we get

976
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.760
great questions from the chat. I
invite everybody to share their opinions, and

977
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:16.800
even if it's an opinion that I
don't necessarily agree upon. My number one

978
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:21.279
rule of our show has always been
just be respectful to each other. We

979
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:26.800
can we can stand on complete opposite
ends of the field when it comes to

980
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.720
agree on something, there's no reason
to not be respectful. So I appreciate

981
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:34.720
you conveying your thoughts and being respectful
about it. I love that. But

982
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:38.560
yeah, so that's what I've got
coming up tonight. So it sounds like

983
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:43.119
we both got some interest in shows
coming up. All the shows that people

984
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:47.560
some people may have missed last week
on the Untold network are now posted.

985
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:51.439
There were a few of them that
were just broadcasting to Facebook and YouTube and

986
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:58.560
not on or Facebook and Twitter and
not on YouTube live. But they have

987
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.359
all been up loaded and updated.
So if you missed any of those shows

988
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:06.520
last week and can go catch those
otherwise, Hey, Brian, I appreciate

989
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:11.039
you joining us this morning. It
was always fun having you here again.

990
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:15.359
Absolutely, man, I always loved
this. It's kind of different doing a

991
01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:16.920
show in the morning for me.
For you, I know, you do

992
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:23.159
interviews with people all through the day. I mean you set days aside and

993
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:26.800
then it's like blocked out. I
suppose like every thirty minute you're talking to

994
01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:29.960
somebody else, you know. Yeah, I think I have one in about

995
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.399
an hour, and I've got another
one at five pm today and then this,

996
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:36.319
so just the three today. Awesome, awesome, Well, thank you

997
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:41.960
so much for showing up and doing
this, and we will see you soon.

998
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:46.439
Absolutely, man, all right things
they say, you don't gotta go

999
01:16:46.960 --> 01:17:24.279
home, but your cast I don't
want to try this job. That chime

1000
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:30.840
everything, calling right back, ride
back my joy for me to stay right

1001
01:17:31.119 --> 01:18:38.079
now. I'm calling right away.
US became buss to us, to us,

1002
01:18:39.039 --> 01:18:46.920
uses us, to us, to
use us