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The following is a presentation of play
Fly Sports properties. Welcome to this is

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spot On, this special holiday addition
here in the Graduate Hotel in East land

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Sea. I'm your host Jason S. Ray Horn, along with my co

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hosts Otis Wiley. Day is December
fifteenth, A big day, commitments happening,

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a lot of stuff going on,
and but we would be remiss if

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we did not mention the loss of
Mike leach One head coach Mike leach from

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Mississippi State University who was a trailblazer, a very intelligent guy, funny man,

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didn't have a pleasure of meeting in
myself, Otis, what can you

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say about Mike Yeah, coach leach
Man. You know, you think about

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when Michigan State played in Alamo Bowl
against Texas Tech and you know he was

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the head coach and you know in
that state, you know he had something

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that you know transpired where he was
under investigation, but you know that doesn't

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go you know, remiss what he
did and the impact he had on programs

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that he was the head coach for. And also you know, just from

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a standpoint of a coach who you
know played with rugby, yeah or lacrosse,

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rugby. It was one of those
yeah, and so like you didn't

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even play the game of football,
but he was a mastermind offensive guy.

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Uh. You know you credit the
spread and the gun and that the lethal

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non huddle, no huddle offense that
kind of came from that Texas Tech air

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Raider like the Red Raiders, that
air raid that he had with Michael Crabtree.

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And you know, you think about
those those guys he had and then

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the Mississippi State's program. Condolence is
out to that community, his family,

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his friends, staff, coaches and
players that really really loved coach leach Man.

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And you know from every coach has
their their advantages, disadvantages, they're

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good, they're bads, whatever,
but you know, these guys have been

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leaders of men, and so,
uh, I do have one good story

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where you know, Coach de didn't
really go into detail when you know we

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played when they were at Washington State, Coach that's what we were. We

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were playing them in the bowl game
and uh the holiday holiday bow. Yeah,

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Holiday bow and coach Coach d comes
up to me and we're talking,

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and I brought up Mike leach because
when I was working at a previous employer.

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We went out to New York for
the National Football Foundation dinner. All

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the coaches go out there the College
Football Hall of Fame and Mike Leach is

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there in the bar and a bunch
of all the other coaches, and you

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know, he was holding court and
like all the people were just laughing around

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him because like the guy is legitimately
like a natural of like comedian, more

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like quirky smart, like it's you
never know what's coming out of his mouth.

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And I remember Coach d coming and
saying like, hey, have you

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have you ever talked to Coach Leach. I was like, yeah, I

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had a quick pass and he was
like he kind of did this this gesture

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like like he did like he was
like he we started out like talk about

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the matchup and all of a sudden
went to the left field and because he's

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like, yeah, he went on
an another world, another spectrum, another

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layer mentally. But you know,
kudos to coach Leech and what he did

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in his legacy that he did for
college football the football in general. And

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you know, that's that's one that
we lost. One of the greats in

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college football without question. I mean, he talked about what Coach D said,

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and coach Saban was a guy who
talked about him and issued a statement

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and he said, you know,
it was a man who I never really

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knew the direction of our conversations when
we had our conversation, but a guy

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that will be missed nonetheless, definitely
a leader of man, a great man,

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a legendary interview. Just had one
coming off the field. I believe

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it was an ESPN reporter and he
was coming off and she asked him about

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her wedding, and he goes into
depth about what she should do about the

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wedding. You should just alope,
you know, because you're gonna save mom

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and dad a lot of money.
And this is what coming off the field

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after a game. The weddings.
I'm in the middle of planning one right

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now. Do you have any advice
for me? Or are you marrying?

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His name is Trevor. Okay,
yeah, well I'll have to set up

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a meeting and I'll talk to him. Okay, So where's Trevor from.

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He's from Florida. What does Trevor
do for a living? He works in

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sports as well, covers football.
He does what he covers football as well.

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Really well, I don't know,
we'll keep a close eye on it.

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But whatever you and Trevor decide,
I would kind of keep it on

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the down low. What you failed
to do that Trevor was probably planning to

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but you didn't. So go ahead
and don't say anything else about it.

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But as soon as the season's over, or even an off week, go

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elope. Trust me on that,
go a lope because basically every female in

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the family is going to terrorize you
guys until it's over. Once it's over,

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I mean they'll be upset for a
few days, but it'll be over

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and then you know, you cruise
away along. Have a happy marriage,

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I have a happy life. I'll
pass along the message. Thanks coach,

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congrats Trevor, unless he's crazy,
is totally on my side. It trusts

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me on this. If Trevor doesn't
have the sense to do that, tell

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him to call me, because I
mean he needs to do trust I've told

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all my kids, I'll give you
ten thousand dollars extra if you'll lope.

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So far they haven't done it,
but I would too. I'll have him

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call you for sure. He will
be sorely missed and prayers go out to

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the Mississippi State community in the Leech
family for the loss of Mike Leach at

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sixty one years old. Before we
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from Michigan State, the news that
everybody wants to hear about, the inside

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information and OTIS just got a big
commit from Isaiah Johnson, athlete from Virginia.

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Yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting
on you know, at h when

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you see the athlete, the designation
on that, you kind of guess like,

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Okay, what do we have as
a roster and management like what are

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our holes? What do we need
to feel? What do we need an

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immediate impact? And you know,
we have some our seniors in the back

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end of the defensive secondary that obviously
are graduating and going to the pros.

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And and also we have some holes
in a wide receiver standpoint leading our main

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man, Jayden Reid. So it's
gonna be interesting to see how he fits

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into what we need and uh and
want in the Green and White. But

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it's interesting that we finally got you
know, a new commit that you know,

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we've had some guys bow out of
our class coming up, so it's

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good that we're released adding one notch
to class, starting to build a little

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depth there in the recruiting class.
And it seems to be a heavy focus

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on getting speed on this roster.
Speed kills, Yeah, it does kill.

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You can't teach it. I can't
teach it. But you also you

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can teach technique and get you know, get that buttoned up. But speed

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is like that's a natural thing,
man. And uh and the only thing

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that gets better is when you get
to campus or you get to our program.

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Doctor Gas is going to get us
right and get them faster and stronger,

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which is going to be a great
thing to look for forward to Michigon

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State is going after the number one
Juco transfer that's in the portal right now,

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key Sean Blackstock, six eighty pounder
that's in the portal that is coming

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out of the junior college out of
Covington, Georgia. Yeah, uh,

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you know straight, it's an opportunity
to uh get some big ms in there,

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right. You know. You you're
the guy who uh you know,

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played the office of line in Maine
interiors enter center position and so inside you

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gave him, you gave him some
pounds on there and two eighty five he's

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actually sixty five three fifteen. Oh
yeah, yeah, they got a little

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bit more more girth to him,
man, But let's hope he can run

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and can't take that that that weight
with speed. But we definitely need another

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guy. And they are very high
on Keishan Blackstock and sounds like a good

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prize name to be yelled out in
Sparts Stadium. Blackstock when you think about

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it, Yeah, he's an interior
I don't know, it's a two eighty.

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I'm thinking about another player defensive linement
three fifteen is more like it.

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He's the number one interior offensive linement. But he projects more as a right

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tackle with Coach Kap that's what he
thinks that he can play on that outside

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and that's a guy who can protect
Peyton Thorn on the on his front side,

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not necessarily the blind side, but
a guy who's athletic and big enough

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to be able to get it done. A four star product out of Georgia,

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which has a ton of talent down
there. Yeah. I mean,

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if you know anything about playing with
anybody that comes from the juke ranks,

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mainly these guys are one start out
in probably a Power five program. Something

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may have happened or transpired that was
like, you know what, I'm gonna

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go back to the junior college.
I'm gonna get some more experience or get

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more opportunity to get bigger schools to
come look at me. And then you

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think about these guys come ready built, tough, can endure a season,

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but also come with experience where it's
not necessarily like a freshman coming out of

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high school, where you have an
opportunity to truly say, hey, he

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has a great skill set, gets
on the field, will add what we

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have to do with our DNA and
offensively mindset, and we'll see how he

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does. Yeah, I mean,
that's that's something that you know, the

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old Juco way was the old transfer
portal of the past. Now with the

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portal, you get Juco kids and
guys coming from other Power five conferences and

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even Division twos and beyond that are
going to elevate to the Power five.

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And this could say it's doing a
very good job of looking for those diamonds

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in the rough for talent in different
positions of need, and obviously we know

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offensive line is a huge position of
need and also transitioned over to the tight

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end position where Michigan State has landed
a transfer from the University of Wisconsin,

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Jalen Franklin, a guy who's a
native of Michigan down in Brownstown and is

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now back home at Michigan State.
Yeah, Jason it I think the writings

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on the wall. Our strength is
our tight ends. If you see amount

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of movement that we've had in the
past, we've had a movement in the

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tight end position, and if you
can tell that is a focal point on

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if we have strong tight ends who
are versatile, they're not just one dimensional,

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multi dimensional. That opens up the
passing game. But also we need

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guys to be able to block on
the edge. And these defensive ends now,

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you know, back in the day, you know, you have some

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guys coming off the edge that were
you know, still like great, but

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these dns coming off the edge now, I mean they're as fast as linebackers

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are even faster. Oh yeah,
some of them can even play probably outside

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linebacker dB. How quick these guys
are coming off the edge, And so

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you need a tight end to be
able to chip but also get out into

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their route and break off you know, defensive backs who are trying to cover

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them. So, uh, one
thing about tight end. You know in

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Jalen Franklin, he's a guy who
the coaching staff is familiar with, you

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know, with Ted Gilmore and then
Sayeve coming from Wisconsin. They know this

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guy, they've recruited him, they
know that what he is capable of,

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his skill set can fit well with
what we're trying to do in a Jay

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Johnson offense. Right, that's incredible. I think the familiarity with this player

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having recruited him before. It didn't
have a lot of production at Wisconsin,

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but they feel like he is a
great fit for the state program. Jay

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Johnson being able to call plays to
get him involved in the in the in

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the scheme offensively, and that's gonna
be a huge get. So that is

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something in a positive life in Michigan
State when you look at the transfer portal

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on the transfer side of things.
Also when you look at Michigan State losing

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a player linebacker Carson Castile goes into
the portal. He's a freshman, did

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not see much playing time at all
in Michigan State, but now has entered

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the transfer portal. Yeah, and
it's an opportunity. Like we talked about,

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there's gonna be a lot of movement. So like one, I say,

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we're not surprised that we're getting,
you know, the news and the

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opportunities for you know, young kids
that you know, it just didn't pan

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out. You thought it was probably
was something different hitting the field. So

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now is looking for opportunities in the
future and just hopefully praying that he lands

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somewhere that he's able to be utilized
to his capabilities. Yeah, that's the

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name of the game. Now in
the portal, there are some players that

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are gonna be leaving for green or
pastures or other They're gonna be looking for

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playing time because they're just not gonna
be seeing much playing time at the position

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or the current school that they're at. I think that's a situation that carsonican

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Steel is dealing with from Michigan State. So good luck, best of luck

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to him as he continues to find
a place to get playing time in his

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career. Going on to other major
targets from Michigan State. You look at

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from the high school ranks, two
best friends from the West Coast in Jalen

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Barbarian and also Sean Brown. Sean
Brown is a guy who's actually committed right

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now to the University of Arizona,
and then you have his friend who's in

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high school. Both guys out what
I said in California. Now, Jalen

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is a guy who's a ten to
three to one hundred meter guy, extremely

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fast. So that's when you talk
about his ability to stretch the field and

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be that receiver in that deep threat. Yeah, straight down line speed north

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south, that's what we need.
Sticky move straight down north south. You

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got some speed to go sideways,
but it's straight downhill. And you know,

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we saw some of that lack of
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is that they were trying to go
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and then it hit the move to
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move and get to the to an
end zone. But we didn't have the

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big home run touchdowns like we did
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this is a guy that has that
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for the next K nine and so
he's similar built from a standpoint at and

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when he gets here, you know
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but not more so put weight on
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but we're talking about muscle the clean
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ten three is fast in high school
as super fast, and so you know

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Cali got that heat all the time. So it's not like running at in

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the cold Michigan North here. But
you got two friends that are trying to

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like not lobby, but come with
a package. And they're both some athletes.

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They're both athletes, and so usually
may have a package deal where you

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know, my friend is he's he's
good, but he's not great. And

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I'm the one that, hey,
I want to help my brother and my

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friend out. But these two guys
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you know I can if I put
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or I'm a safety, right,
and so he's speedy guy to three star

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the stars are just a weird type of

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thing. Like I believe it when
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you see them go against top talent. But uh, three stars like that

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tweener, Like I think three stars
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ay better man way better. So
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news that these guys are able to
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White. Yeah, you talk about
Jalen barbar and the guy who has had

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those thick thighs. If you look
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five nine and ninety pounds, but
extremely fast and low to the ground,

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a guy who could take hits,
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able to get through the tackles,
run through smokers they call it, and

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then be able to, as you
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hurry because you cannot teach ten three
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who you are. So you got
it, you got it, You're blessed

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with it. And let's here's hoping
to those two who were just here last

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weekend on an official visit and they
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And so I know the coaches right
now are on the recruiting trail trying to

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close up some of these deals because
in less than a week, guys signing

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day happens. So stay tuned looking
at more news. When you talk about

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the transfer portal, Terry Roberts out
of the University of Iowa, a cornerback

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from Cathedral Prep School, that Damien
Terry, the guy who was a Michigan

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State quarterback went to. Yeah,
and then you look at you know,

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Cathedral Purpose put out some some guys
all the time, and so when you

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look at the opportunity for a kid
who has played in the Big ten,

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he knows what to expect when you're
playing it against Big ten opponents. And

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so coming over here, it's just
a guy who's gritty. Man. You

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got the Pennsylvania swag from Cothterra Prep. But you know it's good for him

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to come in and let least give
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what we need when we're losing one
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You know, we're young now in
the secondary. So coming from a guy

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who I was all about hardcore,
tough, nitty gritty defense, he will

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be able to come in if he
makes that decision to be an immediate impact

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guy. Because the guy can can
cover, he can hit, and that's

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what we need. And so interesting
to see what he comes about in the

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in the in the recent week.
Yeah, definitely high on defensive back coach

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Harlan Barnett's radar guy that can he
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the country is very tough part nose
defense and they pump out cornerbacks. If

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you think about it, they do
put a lot of defensive backs into the

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NFL. So he would be another
guy that could come into Michigan State and

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do the same thing in the Green
and white. Now, staying with the

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defensive side of the ball, you
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I'm the University of Liberty. Liberty, you say what, yeah, d

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line. Now at this guy,
Dre Butler. He's six y five and

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he's two hundred and eighty pounds.
This is a guy that was on my

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mind early six pounds defensive tackle.
A former four star athlete is at Liberty,

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started off at the JUCO route,
I believe, and at the Independence

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Community College at the Last Chance Hugh, if you can recall that particular university

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is at Liberty and now on the
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would be huge for the Sparks.
Absolutely, Like if you've ever seen Last

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Chance, you, I'm sure because
it's taking the world by storm, and

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especially around that COVID time and pre
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when they go to a JUCO and
the resources that are there that are in

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comparison to when they come to back
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It kind of resets you and real
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you got to do you got to
go back to the daily grind of getting

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film and being productive so that you
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get a full four year degree.
So this guy, Dre Butler six looks

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like he is. We talked about
muscle and muscle with Kan Covid, you

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know, shout out to jay U
out there right now at home doing some

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work right now, but on assignment. Yes he's on assignment. But this

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is a guy that will be able
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more speed and more physicality on that
edge. And we you know, lost

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some guys in the in the transfer
from grad transfers, you know, so

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we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, I know they're I know they got

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all their eggs in that basket too. Yeah, they got to get those

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big boys in the hand in the
dirt off the ball, and I know

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that they all want. That's what
I'm saying. They got the biggest draw

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in the country. And Coach Jordan, you know, we talked about recruit

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from Texas A and M last week. You know, there's there's a lot

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of talent that is swirling around east
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and we're going to bring that news
to you as soon as that happens.

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Weaking a jau Culchrid who's on assignment
right now. We wanted to bring up

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something for him who he always just
talking really negatively about the Kickers, right

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and you know, we're going to
bring up this statement right here from one

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Tyreek Hill, who says very similar
statement that jay U says. He said

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the reason the kickers are no damn
goodness because they only practiced for like five

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minutes and then go play thing bomb
jay You's point. You know, he

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might be onto something, maybe be
on something he witnessed personally, like what

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they do on a day to day
basis. But I mean when you have

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to go kick man, like I
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Oh you like, ah, we
could be bowling right now. But you

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know, I'm not putting that pressure
on just one guy because clearly the game

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should have been one in different other
aspects of the game. But to sell

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the deal, you got to have
a trust and the confidence and the kicker

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in that leg and so uh yeah, all the way through all the wackernap

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holder, Yeah, all of them. You know, you're losing Bearinger who

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was the holder from Michigan State and
then obviously had some issues with injuries on

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with a long snapper. And I'm
hearing rumblings I think they've offered a long

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snapper from from Rutgers. So there's
there's there's activity going on right now,

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and what's going off with Michigan State
and Mail Tucker right now being on the

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road. If you look at his
travel his flight plan, it's ridiculous.

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He's all over the country, literally
zig zagging all over the nation. Making

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those last home visits in home business
are very important as a sales job,

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if you will, and showing that
you do care, that you do love

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these recruits and means a lot.
Do you remember your home visit from Coach

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Antonio? Oh no, it was
John L. Jell. Yeah, I

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remember Johnelle came incognito, but you
can you can tell when he's in in

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the building because he got cowboy boots
in Flint, Michigan. You know,

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it's very rare, very rare,
especially cowboys rolling around the States of Flint,

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Okay, especially you know, this
is a basketball season, so you

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know we're playing one of our rivals
in Grand Blanc and on the court and

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uh, I don't to recall.
I think we think we won that game,

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but he was up in the stands
and and it was crazy because it

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was the same type of timing where
Ron Zuck had got let go from Florida

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and we I talked about this,
and Ron Sook's back in my house,

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sitting on the couch and my mom's
cooking some dinner, and you know,

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he's like, hey, you know
I'm gonna turn this program around and go

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to a Rosebow. He's like,
I need you to I need you to

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join us. So are you gonna
come visit? And I was, I

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was very conflicted, but I got
a call immediately, like there was like

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I don't know if there was a
speaker, a camera hidding somewhere in my

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house, but I got an immediate
call from coach John Hill, like why

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do you want to do that?
Why do you want to do that?

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A little birdie told me. So
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I mean, I remember being at
Windy's like getting ready for a basketball game,

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and then like you know one of
our local guys. It's like,

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hey, Ohio States high on your
USC is about to go call. It

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was like the last something similar to
this timeframe of you know, we need

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to figure out some of our guys
flipped. They didn't They said they were

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here for the entire eighty percent of
the recruiting process, but then flipped them

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between the twenty percent mark or the
midnight hour. And so like I,

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once you get those last requests,
you're like, well, I'm back up.

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So like, you know, you
kind of think about it's like,

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well, I'm gonna go. Where've
they've been after me? They've been wanting

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me. They are pushing me to
be, you know, one of the

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up the guys to help change things
around. And so, uh, it

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was a no brainer. I could
have went back down to be down with

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the hook them Horns in Texas and
I was born in Austin Hook them Horns,

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man, and that would have been
a dream. But also you got

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the flint connection right, and so
I remember Matt Tranning, Greg Cooper,

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uh, Clifton Ryan from Saginaw.
Those guys took care of me man.

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When I came in and during my
recruiting process. But I do remember Matt

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Training saying, listen, man,
if you do anything else, if you

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ball out here, you'll be a
king in state of Michigan. And I

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kind of ring screw man, where
like you just ball out and you played

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the game the right way. Uh, people know you, they'll know your

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name for for for for your legacy, so that I don't regret any of

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the decision. I would have loved
to play in the Rose Bowl, but

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like I mean, I'll be a
lot align Like I mean, I you

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know, I mean no not to
it, but I just I look better

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in Green, no question about that. You know, you think about your

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recruiting process and ye other schools,
like you said, like the University of

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Texas and Austin like being having the
same career there. What would it be

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now for your if you're at Ohio
State and like you get washed out with

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all the names. There's so many
I know, guys that were third and

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fourth round draft picks that don't even
be People don't know who they are at

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Ohio State. You do that here? You know, yeah, people know

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who you are. And I didn't
even have like luxurious or you know,

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pro career, right, and so
like I enjoyed the college aspecting that that

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that age there for me. So
you know, I was just a decent

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defensive bag, Like I don't even
outstanding, you know, like did you

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have social media issues when you were
coming out high school or was that kind

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of like where were you at?
I think it was uh, I think

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it was black playet Rivals. Rivals
was just kind of like it was there,

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but like it was it was,
I mean new, But I don't

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I feel like my era like even
yours, Like yes, you got the

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notoriety through like word of mouth and
like, hey, I got to go

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see this kid, like I need
to go versus like the social media hype

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films and like I feel like we're
in that age like yes, social media

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and you can put your highlight out
there. It shows you are a great

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player. But you know, I
feel like we wasn't really about the stars

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piece of it. It was like
I want to be able to dominate my

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lane, dominate where I'm at,
And when you're a great player, that

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comes they come to you right like
they come to you. So people kind

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of failed to realize that, like
you put in the work. I mean

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what Oberrow says, like all these
highlight, just do the work. Do

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the work. You ain't got to
capture you working out. And I think

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that was the mentality of like,
man, I was a three sport athlete,

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Like I'm trying to ball out and
I'm trying to be successful on every

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competitive space that I was on track, and so I wasn't really worried about

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it. I had a lot of
guys come out of Flint that were as

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better, way better than me,
and so we were just, like I

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said, just trying to get to
the next level, get a degree,

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a full rise, so my parents
have to pay for nothing, right.

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That was like that was the basic
priority goes of, like I just want

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my parents have to pay for it, right Exactly. When you look about

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those times versus now, it seems
like now if it's not on Instagram,

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then it didn't happen. So so
people are it's a whole yeah. Yeah,

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And I think that there are coaches
and recruiters who are doing the same

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thing. They're guilty of that now, like you're seeing the recruiting coordinators or

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assistants that are recruiting through what's going
on and who's hot, what the stars

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are, what the the highlight video
show versus like doing the actual work,

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which is something that I'm happy that
Michigan State is doing now. Like with

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Coach Ducker and his staff, they're
they're doing the work and finding these diamonds

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in the row. That's not easy
to do. It's easy to look at

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the five stars and say, let's
go after those guys, because they've done

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all the marketing themselves, their own
branding, so to speak. But to

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go after these guys who are the
six three one and ninety five pounds transfer

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out of Arizona and you're looking at
himself and seeing where he could fit and

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his friend happens to be a ten
three hundred meters, that's difficult. That's

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a harder route to go than your
status quote. And yeah, social media

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has completely changed the game. You
got nil? Why would you like to

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be a coach right now? I
would not want to be a coach?

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Oh, I means are ruined?
R How Yeah, ain't no regular?

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Like hey, you know a little
gift here, you know, like I

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feel like recruits don't care about those
riding cards no more. Man I used

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to love like, oh I got
a written, handwritten card. Let me

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go ahead and store all this in
shoe box and all the letters and like

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oh, that's like throw out the
window. Now it's like, hey,

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where's the check. Let's talk money. Let's talk money first, which this

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is the business now, So like
you have to now be very business acumen.

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Your acumen has to be at the
very least subpart and even more,

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like you got to have people that
are in your camp that you trust and

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aren't trying to not nickel and dime
or like put you in situations where you're

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the one have to go out there
and do the work, like you know,

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I know, not to any parents, but like you still got to

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go and do the work. And
so the expectations coming in is more pressure.

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It's more pressure to perform and be
a success versus like you gotta understand

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this is going to be a grind. I get it your five star,

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it's still gonna be a grind.
And so so I think that's the point

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of like as coaches, you're competing
with other coaches who may have bigger and

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more resources, and so how do
you get how do you get strategic?

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How do you be become attractive?
It's like it's all about the development,

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it's all aball figuring out. Okay, what we offer from a school compared

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to the school Dollar Road or another
school like the Miami's and Alabama's just like

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one. They're winning championships. They're
putting in the league, so like we

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got to, we're putting guys in
the league. But they're consistently time and

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time every year. They're not taking
drops down. That's right. I mean,

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that's interesting. Brought up Alabama in
Miami, right. I think those

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are two. That's that's the dichotomy
of the culture. Right now. You

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have Alabama, who is a brand. Everybody knows Alabama that's twelve years old

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to one hundred. They understand what
Alabama is seven hundred, yeah, and

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that right. But for like Miami
football, if you're under thirty thirty five

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is you really don't know Miami to
be that good? You know that the

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places back in the day, Yeah, yeah, they don't remember. They

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don't remember the you, They don't
remember Ray Lewis and you know, Anny

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Testa, Verdie, Michael Irvan,
they don't remember Jimmy Johnson, and they

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definitely don't remember Howard Snellenberger. For
those out does anybody know who Howard Snellingberger

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is? Right, that's what we
get. Asked a thousand recruits. I

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guarantee you not one it's gonna come
back with, Oh yeah, the guy

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I supposed to pipe. You know, that's not gonna happen. So Dawayne,

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Rock Johnson. You know, so
look at how they're each of those

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schools of recruiting. You know,
Alabama is not throwing bags at people.

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They're throwing the brand at people.
They're saying, you come here and you

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step on the field and play,
the money's gonna follow. And that was

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coach D's philosophy, like and I'm
sure that he probably when you got to

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bring them on obviously, but I'm
sure he can attest to like, what

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are you have to deal with where
Coach D, you're coming? Yep,

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yep, you're coming. Coach D
before nil, it was like all right,

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those facilities. It was let's let's
shop this dream of all right,

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here's what we're going to get.
So come here and you're gonna get it

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in two or three years and be
the first to you know, we're talking

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about competitive landscape in college sports is
you know what it's Scott not say timper

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tap, but keeping up with the
Joneses arms racings, like Okay, what

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do you have on your campus that
can get me to the next level?

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And so, like coach he talked
about that. He said that he thought

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that one of his biggest regrets was
after winning the Rose Ball was not going

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all in on facilities like Clemson did. Clemson at that same time they went

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in and has this massive facility at
Clemson now and that brought in the recruits.

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It really didn't, and people didn't
think of that. I can remember

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those days that era you talk about
mid twenty ten, so they get twelve

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through twenty fifteen. It wasn't known
Neil this arm raised idea. It was

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pretty new, definitely, But I
mean Mel Tucker, Coach Tucker talks about

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it when he talks publicly on what
coach d before he you know, left

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in the transition meetings, was like, if you're going to be successful here

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and win here, you got to
get facilities. And you talked about that

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was as big as regret. And
as you see now we're putting up right

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now is the tome Iso Football Performance
Center. And you know, I opened

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up the scandalarious building in two thousand
and eight. I was like, this

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is nice, but the opportunity to
to truly get into this knowing that it'll

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be ready, and we're putting all
the resources in there to make sure our

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student athletes have the best It's something
that should be attractive to student athletes that

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are coming here. So yeah,
and once that building's up, we're going

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to take everybody on a tour,
a brand new, fresh tour that building.

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Once it's ready for public consumption.
It's going to be coming pretty soon.

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But that's going to wrap up our
holiday edition of This is Sparta for

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Oldest Wileland. Jason Strayhorn, have
a good knight, God bless and go green.

