Hey, listen, Commardics Who Go Podcast Episode four forty four. I'm brand
O home here with Rider and we're gonna take a look at a classic modern
mid range deck now in our theme song at least the second time, the
first time every time. Hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure.
How you doing? We're back? What is going down? A whole
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We got some stories to tell, some people to thank, A really interesting
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podcasting trivia for people. Brando was practicing the intro, practicing the intro,
practicing, and then when he said classic modern mid range deck, he switched
the positions of all the words on the fly, and I was like,
well, is he gonna screw it? Us? Nailed it, got it
in the first take. Kind of yes, yeah, first enough, yeah,
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Check out the pre show because we talk magic, we do giveaways. We
got the we got the booster pack game on there where you can win CCIO
sticker pack. Eh booster pack. Ah. I said it in the wrong
order. CEO sticker pack, Yeah, CEO token pack, Crimonial pack,
a magic cord and we did. We did Junned yesterday. That's what we're
doing today. Yes, the junded Deck, jund Deck. That's what you
hear for today. We've got Modern Horizons, three Commander, Desa, the
the Gufator, Desa, the Restless. I'm gonna get read like Lisa the
Gofator. I want to my wife ta give me a After we reader,
we'll do some podcast business. We'll get straight into the deck tech so we
can get straight the hell outside and drink beer because it's four hundred degrees in
here. Yes, that's the plan. Yes, I got a good plan.
Gifenador Terminator. People have seen the Terminator, including Ryan, Yes,
I have. I actually met somebody who had never seen Terminator before, and
it was it Sam, No, you had two people they never seen two
people have never seen Terminator before. And so he watched it for the first
time, and he said that the thing that stuck out the most to him
about Terminator was like, Ernie has all those iconic lines. You got to
the chop up, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'll be back comes
from Terminator Terminator. Yeah. And he was expecting it to be this like
epic line and this really serious kind of situation in the movie, right yeah,
But no, he just like walks up to the cops and the guy's
like, yeah, wait over there on the bench, he goes, I'll
be back, and he just drives a cop card through the front of the
building, right Like It's almost a throwaway line that became this like huge meme
for decades. Yes, yes, yeah, that was like the big takeaway
that he had from the movie. Thought, so that was that was number
one, right, yeah? And then number two was Austin Leavista baby yep.
And then number three he comes up in an elevator and the elevator opens
or whatever, and he says, I'm back. Hey, here's another piece
of trivia. I've seen four Terminator movies. What was the fourth one?
The number four Terminator Salvation with Christian Bale. It's the one where Christian Bale
goes off on like the camera guy or whatever. Oh that one that's like
the prequel one or whatever where it's set in the future, but like,
no, it's a sequel. I don't even know when it it happened.
He set in the future but before anything happened, so it's technically a prequel.
But in the future. That's like next level shit, right next it's
the Terminator that doesn't always a Terminator? Is what that one's about? Right?
I suppose he's like, I'm human. It's like pro like you're literally
inside out on a table. You're not human? Yeah, just you're you're
lying to yourself. Yeah, okay, well desa the Terminator, Yes,
five six human sculp for Green, Red, Black, two Sick whenever a
lurgwif permanent card is put into your graveyard from anywhere other than the battlefield.
Yeah, put it onto the battlefield. Yeah. Okay, so discard or
mill and we're gonna get it. Correct. Whenever one or more creatures you
control deal combat damage to a player, create a Tarmagoif token. Yes,
and tell the lovely people in the nation what a tarmagoif token is. A
Tarmergo token is a star star plus one. Creature that is green that has
it gets plus one plus one for each type of card in the graveyard Creature,
Sorcery, Instant, plains Walker, Artifact, Enchantment, battle or Siege
or the hell at Siege, Siege, Kindred, whatever they're calling that now,
and plains Walker said, okay, Land, those are the one.
So it could be technically a nine to ten for possibly free. If you
and the other people at the table have jumped through a few hoops, this
deck spoiler alert is capable of jumping through all those hoops. If I love
hoops to get Tara tokenss, we're gonna call it. I love that they
took that the scariest, most powerful creature that just defined formats for so long
and just made it into a shitty creature to reduced him to a token.
Yeah, reduced him to a tt Yeah, he's basically a saperlink. Yes,
and there are times, hypothetically speaking where it might lose a fight to
a sapling. I suppose that is impossible. It probably is, but it
might. Okay, it will happened. That's that's my favorite. That's that's
my favorite. Let's do some podcasting business. Then we're gonna jump into the
deck. If somebody rest in pieces you all the atomaglives suck all of a
sudden, Oh, yes, it becomes zero ones. Yes, somebody cracks
a removes all graveyards from games, all your ttarmogliphs zero ones. That's the
first piece of business. So if you're not into that, if you didn't
if you didn't want me at my legacy defining a fifty dollars price tag,
Yeah, you don't deserve me at my my zero one that you picked up
off the floor store. I think I said that in the wrong order.
It doesn't matter. If you didn't want me at my ten cent common on
the floor, you don't deserve me at my legacy defining fifty dollars nonfoil.
Yes, yeah, there it is there. We got there, We did
it, okay. So if you want to see this deck or decks like
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I mean I probably could. No, I said that wrong too.
This game takes less time that it takes for you to have a crap.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So if you're crapping at work, because why wouldn't
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That's that is I think that's the tagliney watch it while you're taking a crack,
Watch it while you're taking a dump on the curb. Maybe I don't
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we do Patreon, dot com, slash c Sealed Podcast, that's the way
to go. What would be worse sitting on like a pail game and pooping
into the pail, but like the edge is like kind of rubbing and you
can't. You got to like not support yourself while you're squatting down. Yeah,
or like a five gallon bucket because you can sit on those, No,
like a like a a ice, like a like a pail. Yeah,
like a bucket that you get like from a tree, like a milk
bucket that you'd get from like on a dairy farm or something. Yeah,
bro, what year is this fricking eighteen twelve? Listen as modern as I
can get, okay, and then or or pooping on a milk crate because
then you can sit all the way down, but you have to be real
accurate because you got to make it through the holes. It's like a strainer.
Yeah, Like which one do you think would be like more terrifying?
On one hand, you got to do all this difficult physical work and like
everybody's gonna know what you're doing because you're squatting over a bucket. This is
whereas with the milk crate, you are like just maybe you're just sitting there.
They don't know what you're Nobody knows what you're doing, but you run
the risk of if your accuracy is not up to snuff, you could end
up with it like a shitty butt. Is this another slimy or dry question
like with the el drawsis. Yes, it is slimy or dry. I
would rather shit on a bucket because I know physically I can do that,
keeping in mind with very little clean up required. Keep in my mind this
is on the like the curb side you are, you're doing it on a
street corn it's in public, yes, like people might see you. It's
not a busy street, but like it's happening. In the comments below like
yeah, which which would you prefer with you? I think is yeah?
More difficulty And if you want to let everybody else know, Patreon is how
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It's it struck me the other day, like it does every once in a
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show, which is fantastic. Appreciate you. So we're talking about this goyflady,
Yeah, Goyflady. She's the Goyfinator, she's the the what do you
call it? The classic jauhnned Now, if you've ever played against a classic
John deck, traditionally, what they are is it's a red and black and
green deck, yes, that features mostly the most value layden slash best stuff
available to the colors to just kind of grind your opponents into the dirt by
killing off their stuff cheaply and using your value laden creatures like ptarmago if,
which traditionally is like a what you say, four or five for two,
which is pretty good to just like beat them to death. But it's not
like these big swing and hit you for a hundred. It's like hitch you
for seven, hit you for ten, hit you for nine, you know,
like a bunch of times in a row. Yeah, just to just
wear you down while you're not able to get out of the blocks because we're
too busy killing your shit. And that's what we have for you here today.
I've got a little bit of a a summation or a summary of what
Jund is and you you kind of covered it there, like it's very value
driven, right yes, and it's got blacks win it all cost kind of
stratagem where I'll pay life for cards or I'll like sacrifice my stuff to get
more of your stuff, right, I don't care as long as it hurts
you. Right. It's got Green's advantages which is big creatures maniperduction card draw
when we talk about Commander, not Junda of old but in Commander but now,
And it's got reds, speed and immediacy. It can burn you.
It'll hurt you, and if you're at ten, like you could just be
dead. Oh yeah, right, like with any myriad of red things right
and classic Junda of Old really took advantage of I guess value in terms of
like things like tarmargave. It was a four or five for two very important
that it had more toughness because it bounced off of other tarmergives. It was
usually bigger than goblins and mrph folk and other things. In legacy, it
had value in terms of number of cards deployed while taking away your cards,
so it would do like it would do like a bituminous blast, which is
a four damage to a creature spell. With cascade, you'd cascade into a
blood braid, which is a three two with haste, which would skid into
blightning or a lightning bolt or a thought seies, all effectively doing the same
thing, making you discard cards or killing your things, or a ptarmagoif ormaief
which is better than your creature ren and six or what was the other one
that was really good for a while, Oh, yeah there was in six
and legacy. Yeah, there was another of the veil. Yes, was
the other the veil, because that was another one that you could just put
down gain virtual life. If they attacked, it would make them discard right
or make them sack their shit, yeah, make them sack stuff. Yeah.
So it just has all these different ways to like make up card advantage,
virtual advantage, virtual life value. It does all of those things over
and over and over and over again, because guess what, it can also
get stuff out of its graveyard with black and green and cast instance and sorceries
from its graveyard with red. We're switching over to Genden Commander now, of
course, so we're gonna have to look for ways that take advantage of just
generic shitty now tarmagi and see, like, does this still have like the
gravity toss that Junda Old did? And I would say that it does,
and it does a lot of that by taking that new Commander deck, slash
a bunch of Madi ho ho host stuff and replacing all of the traditional value
creatures you'd find in a gen deck with just different iterations of Tarmagif. Yeah,
who is let's let's be if you play one Tarmagif in your deck just
kind of as a creature, it probably sucks. It's probably things. There's
things that I'd rather spend two mana on, like like a heroic intervention or
maybe a rampant growth that's gonna like power me out to cast things that are
gonna be bigger than tarmaguif right, I'd rather play a rampant growth than a
tarmagif. Let that sink in, right, let that sink in. So,
but we're gonna do that by taking Instead of having one, we're going
to make several. Playing a bunch of them. Yeah, yeah, and
one sucks. But if dem goifs are pretty good. And that goes back
to the classic mantra like if you can break the rule of commander, then
you're probably doing something powerful, yes, because the rule is there to limit
people playing multiples of the most powerful card in their deck. That's right,
okay, so big thanks to new patron or returning patron finger blast, mommy
three, mommy sniff. That's who submitted this deck. Funny every time.
I like that one. That's a good one. Funny every time. That's
let's start with the ramp. The ramp section relatively straightforward, but we'll well,
we'll pound through it. There's there's one new card that will stop and
talk about. We have a sol ring Oracto signal. Nature's Lord Ignoble hierarch
of far seeking fanatic co Rona's, a death right shaman, a Bird's of
Paradise, and an arcane signet. Who do you want to talk about there?
Fanatic of Rona's Fanati of Roney. Oh yeah, that's the new one.
I thought that was a different one. It's a one four for two
manadorc that were a green or if you have a creature with power for or
greater, it taps for green green green green, Yes, and then it
also has green green two eternalize, which means if it's in your bin,
you get I think it's a four to four black zombie version of it that
does all that same shit. Yes, that's exactly what it is, which
is very cool. So let's let this just for a second because we've got
a section called jundam out, which is our value. Yes, but let's
just take a look at this and break down what this card means. It's
a one four, so it's a good blocker. Early game, nobody's gonna
get chip ins on you, right. It adds Mana like at the same
clip that Rampant Growth does right to Mana to get one extra manap but late
game it's going to allow you to go over the top by giving you for
MANA or let's call that midgame mid range, but late game, if you've
just got extra MANA kicking und you can get it back and now it's a
four to four like it does all of those things. If you just really
need a four to four, you can tap this thing for four, sack
it to something, and then use the four that you just tapped it for
to get it back as a four to four. Oh that's a good idea.
Like, it's a really good card. And the two times that I
have deployed it in a game, it's always been like, oh, I
can't get it at rando no more. The thing has four toughness, What
the hell? Right, it stops a lot of those value to four is
a lot. Four is a big number when it comes to especially in the
early game. Right. Yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, four on
turn two is good. Yeah. So let's move to removal and we've got
some Let's do protection first, because okay, June Protection has lightning greaves,
heroic intervention and deflecting squad. That is all. Let us move on to
removal. You know what's funny is I would almost say with the amount of
graveyard stuff that we care about, in this deck, I almost feel like
you don't need a bunch of protection because you're like, I don't care if
it dies. It's like, where's the doulph lungern meme? Hey, if
he dies, he does yeh. From Rocky Man Rocky four, the best
Rocky movie. If you asked me, I love that one is one long
montage. It's yes, the whole movie is a montage. Let's do a
montage of removal spells in Gunder Oh my god, do we just want to
hit these real fast and then go back through them or we want to talk
about them individually. I'll hit them fast and then you tell me which ones.
I'll mouse over and we'll go back to. Okay, okay, Doo
Doom, Doom, Terminate, tear, ass under terras Under, Tarfire,
Mailstrom, Pulse, Lightning Bolt Hey in Commander Calligan's Command, Damnation, Chander's
Ignition, one of my personal favorites. Bituminous, Nope, Blast, Femous
Act, Bitter Triumph, Assassin's Trophy, and abrupt decay. Very cool.
Yeah, they all get a guy or they get all the guys correct.
Yeah, so of note, we have a tarfire that's our kindred spell.
That we have. It's it's shock, but it's a kindred spell, so
it makes your wife bigger. Yes, that's the only one we play in
the deck, and it's there for exactly why I just said that, could
we could we tutor for it, cast it, and then make our wives
bigger. Yes, that's not a terrible idea. That's not especially if we
got like five or six wives. You waste a tutor on like a shitty
removal spell for a man odor, but then you get like five or six
more damage in it's pretty good. It's probably fine, and you've probably removed
like a little shitty chump blocker, right yep. I think also have noticed
Coligan's command. I think that that's in here because it's a it's a Jundt
card. It's not here because it's a good card. It's here because it's
a jund card. Bro This card like tore up standard and modern for a
while, like yeah, years ago. But how many times have you seen
it played in a game of dyah. Well, I'll give it a read
and i'll decide. Okay, black red one instant choose two. Okay,
return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand. That's fine. Also,
target player discards a card that could be us, it could be us,
and get a Tarma wife out of that, and we discard a card
that we don't have in our graveyard debt to make our other tarmaglifs bigger too.
Or you could get a tarmac gooif back from your graveyard to your hand
and then discard it to put it back into play. Oh that's pretty good.
Okay, okay, destroy target artifact or it deals to damage to target
creature or player. Cool. That card is good in this deck. It's
not bad. It's just I feel like we could probably play something like I
don't know, maybe a tutor Okay, yeah, right, like that would
be maybe. Yes, you could play a vampire tutor to find a goy
from put it on top before you mil one, or you could find something
to get it into scard to play. Just stuff like that. Yeah,
this card, the numbers on it seem wrong for commander, but it works
in this deck. Like this should be like a sorcery for five or six,
and it should be like get a creature onto the battlefield and deal for
damage to target creature only a forty something right Yeah? Anyways, uh Chandra's
ignition. I think you're gonna get a lot of use out of because all
of your creature's power are smaller than their toughness as long as they're a traditional
goyf, so long as they're a traditional GoIF. So your Chadre's ignition will
probably leave. At least your tokens will remain alive because a ptarmagif token targeted
with the schan resignation can't kill itself. So you're doing good there. Yeah,
that's a good catch, ack suit. I didn't think it happens,
So that's pretty cool. I liked it's that's in there, and it'll it's
probably gonna do what four or five maybe six to all creatures and opponents.
That's pretty good man. Yep. And then Bitter Triumph is in here.
Now I'm not sure what the gimmick there is, but it's an instant for
black and one as an additional cost you discard a card or pay three life
discard a card, puts a wife into play, and I guess it's also
an instant that kills a planes walker. That can instant that kills a planes
walker or a creature. Yeah, and gets you a goiy for free.
I guess that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, okay, card draw,
card draw, card draw, because like there's not very many sections in this
deck, because we've got a Junda mount section after this, yep, a
guitterbackers section, which sometimes I like to include in card draw because it's like
I'm getting a card back, but I'm picking which one it is. But
the picking is kind of slim. It's like how I always combine my protection
and my removal sections together because I'm protecting myself by killing you. Oh well,
protection one on one with Uncle Brando. Yeah, because if you're dead,
you can't hurt me. That's just science. Yes, okay, draw
and getterbackers. We'll do them as one. Here. We've got fourteen card
draw spells. First, we've got Bitter Reunion Cathartic Reunion. Yes, those
are like discards to draw multiples, right, So you get a Goay for
free and then draw two cards. We've got Dark Confidant, which is a
jund classic John stapleon Legacy. On your turn, you reveal a card and
you lose life equal to its converted manocostp and then put it in your hand.
Put it into your hand, and this deck doesn't have like the Haymaker
eight ten, twelve mana like Commander cards. It's a lot of like tops
out at four and five. Right yeah, yep, Okay, we've got
elemental bond. Whenever a creature power three or greater entries battlefield draw card.
We've also got along those same lines as Garrick's Uprising. It's the same card
essentially, but it gives your dude's trample and it triggers on a creature with
four or greater. Yep, and we've got a Greater Good, which is
the same thing, but you've got to sacrifice a guy to draw that.
MANI we've got your favorite harmonize get that the gotta here man, Fyrexian Arena,
Sylvan Library Classic Card draw. We've got a vault born Tyrant man.
That guy's cool. I like him. Okay, give him a read.
It's a it's a six six for seven, two of which are green.
It's got trample. Then it has Garrick's Uprising staple to it. Whenever a
creature comes into play that's power forward greater, you gain three life and draw
card. And if that wasn't enough, when this creature eat shit, if
it wasn't a token. You get a token back of it that is an
artifact, a robot dinosaur. So it's like Godzilla goes down and then Meca
Godzilla comes back to take its revenge. So cool. Yeah, I like
that. I like getting this guy back from my graveyard when I have the
token on the battlefield and then use this guy to like draw card off of
when I cast him, play another card, draw two cards, sack this
guy, get another guy, and smack all three of your opponents. Make
three gos, gain eighteen. Yeah, fucking dope. Yeah, what it
is, Yeah, faithless loing Lord Win Graces is the planes walker. His
plus two is discard a card, Hey, then we get a GoIF if
we discard a then draw land. No, sorry, discard a card,
then draw card. Yes, if you discarded a land card, draw two.
Correct, that's what his plus is. His minus three is return up
to two target land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield. Pretty good,
which we might use, but once we get to the GoIF section we find
that we might not use that. We don't typically go into the land section
in our deck tecks on just because they kind of get a little samzy.
But I think that they're printing, especially in these Badi Ho Ho Ho commander
decks. I think there's lots and lots of really cool non basic lands that
do different stuff. Right, There's like the there's the command tower that pays
life, but also you can sack it to draw card. Yeap. There's
the one that blinks opponent or blinks creatures when you put it in an instant
speed for some manna. I think all those have a home here, and
something like a Lord wind Grace could allow you to get like double value out
of stuff like that. So I think that it's worth looking at all those
kinds of cards going forward. We're not gonna but like just when you're looking
at something like Lord wind Grace, make a make good and certainly your land
base is actually there to take advantage of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
for sure. That's why he goes in lands decks, right, That's
why he's the commander of lands deck so often, because he can be okay,
get trog ravenous ride. This has got saddle. I don't think that
anybody cares about that. No, it's a six five for five with Tramplin
haste. When the get trog Ravenous ride deals combat damage to a player.
You may sacrifice a creature that's saddled it this turn. If you do draw
x cards where x and put up to x lands from your hand on a
matfield tap where x is the sacrificed creature's powers outrageous. Maybe we do care
if he's saddled. I guess we saddle him with a tarmo waife and sacrifice
him and just get all our stuff. That thing is an all star in
the necro Bloom. Oh yeah, okay, you're speaking from experience. Yes,
did you get pounded? Well, no, you swing in with them,
right, and then you sacrifice your however big, however big let's say
four to four right, then you dredge eight, putting four lands back into
your hand with your draw, and then you put all those lands into play.
Oh yeah, that's pretty good. It's just it's it's very good.
That's pretty good. Checkout. Was it last week or the week before where
we did the necro Bloom week before? Check it out? Maybe Joe will
have the thumbnail on the screen so he can like tell people what it looks
like this. Let's talk about this junk for a second. Okay, so
this is the last one, I'm gonna bring up the man. I was
hoping if I brought up the screen of it. I wish that it would
be the right way. But this is a invasion of Mercadia your place,
yep, And it's a siege, and it's sideways. When it comes into
play, you can discard a card if you do draw two cards. That's
fine, that's what it does. It's good in here. And why the
fuck are you playing battles man, because it makes you bigger. This is
the only time it's okay to play this crap. And when and when it
says discard a card on it in this exact deck, now you flip it
over after you defeat the battle. It's got like four battle toughness whatever,
a bunch of shit. You can go red to discard a card, create
two one to one blue and red elementals. Creatures you control, get plus
one plus ozho and gain haste until und to turn. Sure. Yeah,
sure, it also says discard a card on it. And I think that
that's just important because we are going to draw a bunch of cards with the
really recursive type of draw we have in here. Draw when creatures enter mass
draw with greater Good, flashback draw with faithless Looting, win Grace, repeatable
for extit Arena Silver liber We're gonna draw a lot of cards, yes,
so to be able to discard them kind of at will, I think is
going to be very important in this deck. Yes, okay, not too
bad. Let's talk about some gutterbackers, getterbackers, Battle Good Recovery. It's
a gutterbacker and a land on the back. Yes. Another battle, another
fucking battle, battle for Chandelar, not even the good one, which is
battle for a Korea right. Correct. When it comes into play, you
return up to three permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand, so it's
like recycle for recycles mane cost. But then recover recover, Yes, and
then you gotta attack it to do four damage to it to put it in
your bind to make your bigger. I don't mind that balls. What does
it flip over into? Oh? I don't know. Let's let's find out
an enchantment that says, at the beginning of your upkeep, you may put
a permanent card from your graveyard nope, hand onto the battlefield. Oh that's
pretty good. That's pretty good. That's all right, it's pretty good.
I don't hate that, I don't hate that. How many battle toughness for
four it's fine, go will kill it. And then a six this card
from may Ho ho ho actually expensive, very good card. Okay, give
it is a two to four for green two with reach whatever it attacks you
mil three cards. Then you may put a land from among the milled cards
into your hand, and it gives all the permanence that aren't lands in your
graveyard retrace, which means you can discard a land from your hand that six
probably just got you, and then you can pay the mana cost of said
spell and play it cast it from your graveyard. And notably, retrace does
not exile that card from your graveyard after it's cast much important, it goes
back to your graveyard. So like you could change spells over and over again
if you had the land in your hand. Yes, how do you feel
about? Check this out? And this is a very junned way of thinking.
Can you imagine on turn two going fanatic of ronas for four toughness member
right and adds a mana turn three going six for toughness and doing the mill
and stuff, and you have reach now and eight toughness and because you're your
fanatic of Ronas gave you a mana. You're ahead on curve by one turn.
You could go turn four desa the restless six toughness. You could have
fricking like fourteen toughness on turn four and then nobody's getting through that. And
on turn four you might still have some people who have just been ramping up
or like getting themselves set ups. They ain't got no blocks, so you
can get in for value to get goyphs, which will get you even more
toughness, more toughness, because guys have a lot of toughness. Yes,
okay, So the second of the section that everybody's been waiting for, is
it juendam out or is it goephs. It's probably goeyfs. And we can
hit these pretty quick because like we're playing all of them, I think,
except for Tero War for whatever reason. Come on, I'm not sure why
we're not playing Tarovar. That's the best one I know. I know,
so I'm not sure why that one's not here. Uh finger blast, mommy
three, what explain yourself? You're gonna get blast? You're playing Magnavre and
not. Maybe it's a meta thing. I don't know. I don't think
so. You're probably wants lambs in his grave. He's playing six like Terravar
is a three drop star star power and toughness equal to lands in all graveyards.
Trust me that there's a ten to ten like all the freakin it's big.
How many fetches he's playing one, two, three, He's playing all
the fetches, playing lots every fetch that he can play. There's more fetches
that you could play if you want to, just and it doesn't even hurt
you, and it just makes your tarot of war even more better. Let's
go here, Tarmagife, nest. This is a good one. Like that.
I like this one. It's an enchantment for Green two goes on a
land. You pay toma, which is green one, and tap the land
and you make it. Tarmagwife, No way, simple, totally not what
I thought you were gonna say. What did you think I was gonna say?
I don't know it was a joke. Oh well I missed that,
and shut up about it, you fucking guy. I never I'm never sarcastic.
Ever. I can't even tell the I don't understand how sarcasm works.
Yeah, it's not my strong suit. Yeah, like you're not very good
at it. I'm the sarcastic one. Oh yeah, yes, ask anyone.
They'll tell you. Oh yeah, Ryan's the business one who's short.
I'm the sarcastic one who's tall. That's what everybody. I feel like,
you're the one that's the liar. Well, no, look at us on
the internet, I am physically higher up and then at this point, and
it's totally because my body is higher up when standing than yours is. I
suppose you're right right, And if you're watching on YouTube, you'd know that
Tarmagweif is the next card. We've already talked about what it does. Pyro
GoIF is the next one. It has power and toughness equal. It has
tarmagef and whenever it or another lergof creature come into plant to your control,
that creature does damage equal to its power to whatever you want. Oh that's
a good card, that's very good. Whenever pyroguif so itself is gonna like
ETB and deal some amount of damage. So it's gonna flame flame tongue cavlu
them, except it's a better creature probably yep. And whenever any other Lergoife
enters. Yes, because lergoif is the creature type of tarmagweifs. Yes,
that includes the tokens that are made by our commander. Also, that card's
freaking good. Yes, it's a very good That's one of the best cards
in the deck. I think, probably because it just represents how many tarmagoifs
you think you make in a game like lergoifs in general, the tarmagwif tokens
and the creatures that we're playing, which total allah well ten because one of
them is an artifact. Well, this game ain't breaking no land speed records,
so I would suggest I think we're gonna make ten turmags in a game.
We'd probably get around nine or ten. This guy represents like freaking thirty
or forty damage over the course of a game, probably on one card,
and it's all removal spells. Probably. Yeah, Like you're probably just shooting
creatures because I don't really care to shoot you for three and then four.
I can punch you in the face for eight. Why would I shoot you
for three? Yeah, if if I can do that ten times in a
row. But like, we're not trying to combo with the deck, right,
yeah, though with this card we could we probably can. I'm gonna
draw my whole hand or no, oh, I got it, Okay,
I got it, Okay, okay, hit me glimpse the unthinkable, draw
half my deck, glimpstan thinkable as Milton Frick, uh glimpse that's blue.
Uh No, what's the one where I excel half my ship and I draw
half my library? I don't know something. The abyss periandi, the abyss
okay periand abyss yep draw half my library, deal lose half my life?
Absolutely, don't care. No, I got my pyrogif in play yes,
yeah, yeah, okay, past the turn, discard the hand size,
discard like every single boy from my deck, and then Lisa is gonna make
like ten guys. Yeah, and they're all gonna be huge because guess what
I just discarded every single plus you're gonna bet all the incidentalis that are coming
in, so like all your lands and all your creatures and all that other
shit. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Sounds like a cook cook
cook comb. We found it. Found it. Polygif is the next one.
It has ptarmagoif and trample and myriad, so that also works. Really
good with our piral GoIF because you attack two more guys and then they proceed
to rock the socks of your opponents. Yes, and their crocks and there
blocks and there. I couldn't, I couldn't. I couldn't think of another
one that rhymes. Is the next card. This one's expensive. This is
actually a modern card. This one costs dollars. It is one black for
a ptarmagif. And this one also has escape for black and two exile any
number of other cards from your bin with four or more card types among them.
Ah what Yeah, that's a weird escape. So you kind of have
to make your GoIF smaller to play it from the bin. I'm not sure
if that's the straps really, but it's here, but it allows you to
get them back. And it's a GoIF for one. And if I've got
two lands, two sorceries, two creatures, and two instances or whatever in
my graveyard, sure I'll just sacrifice one of these, one of these,
one of these, one of these, and the GoIF will be the exact
same size, and I have a back. That's true, And I guess
you can anything that your opponents have you can remove from yourself to like,
if they have a svetch Land in their band, you can take one of
your Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's not just your graveyard that these
things care about. Yes, oh man, And look at his badass self
hate. Look at all you must lead. That's a big face. He
looks like the Predator kind of but with bigger teeth. Yeah, like from
Predator, bigger teeth than have a name the Predators, the alien from Predator?
Does it have a name? I feel like they do. If you
know in the comments, let me know, because I I really do feel
like they've probably named those, either in the comics or in the book somewhere.
I think they're called Sure, they've gone a name. I think they're
called Slivers from M fourteen. Yeah, I got there, damn. Okay.
So we have NECROI uh, it's it's power and toughness. We go
to the number of creatures in all graveyards, so a little bit different.
And at the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card so
we can be discarding ours into play, which is or discarding cards that makes
ours bigger. He also has madness black black one. So if you discard
this and you don't have your commander. You can go black black one and
put it into play. Yeah, that's like an insurance this this guy comes
with like an insurance policy, correct, and for toughness like static four doesn't
have like star plus one, which I'm not sure how I feel about that.
As as like a completionist or like a goyf acomology, I don't.
I don't know. Advocate there it is, Ah, sure, yeah,
it's weird. I don't know. He probably still beats ass. He's from
a modern Horizon set. He's probably good. Moti mortiv War Magnavore, they
are both the same. They cost Black Black two or Red Red two and
their power and toughness. Mortiv War is creatures in all graveyards. Magnavore is
instance in sorceries in all graveyards, and he has haste and I think you
can. Can you regenerate mortiv War or does it have Oh no, Magnavore
is number of sorcery cards in all greats or it's just sorceries. Maybe the
blue one must be instance. Then hey, is there a blue one?
I think there is. I'm sure there is blue. I don't think there
is. I think there is well, editor, Joel, make us look
like dummies and put it on the screen. If there is, well,
that'll make me look smart though I think there is. Oh but you're not
just smart enough to know that there is one, not smart enough to confirm
or know what it's called. Correct. Okay, good, Yes, well
those are two mores. Then we've got like Classic from Ice Age, Yes,
straight up, yes, and this guy's a star star plus one like
Classic, Power and Toughness, each equal to the number of cards in all
graveyards. Nope, creature cards, Creature cards and toughness, Oh plus one.
Yeah, yes, so it's got the star, yeah, plus one,
and then it has creature equals the Yeah. And of course Mortivor is
creatures and graveyards, the red one is sorceries, the green one is creatures.
Yeah, barrel goief. This is a death touch life linking GoIF for
three one that makes it bigger, and then whenever it deals combat damage to
a player, you may mill that many cards. If you do, you
may put a creature card from among them into your hand. You may,
you may, so instead of doing that, Yes, we'll put it into
play. If we got disa correct, that's pretty good. Or if it's
a Bob, you'll put it in your hand. Bob is dark conspt.
Yeah, so that's a pretty good card. Look at his big stupid face.
Yeah, he has a really ridiculous We just talked about how bad ass
looking like necro gooy for another, go for more and more. All those
were cool, and then Baragueys is like, hey guys. He's like,
hey, guys, on here too. I have this huge mouth. Hey
guys, I just got my braces taken off. You should buy me a
beer. Like no, barrow, go get out of here. Get out
of here. Man, you're weirding me out. You ain't got no whyeballs,
and your teeth are too big, even though they're straight and very clean.
We're gonna need you to leave. He looks like he looks like a
tarmagoif wearing a set of fake teeth, like novelty teeth, and he's gonna
them up and they're just gonna go like pincers of power on the goonies.
The last goil is alter of the go. If it's an artifact for five,
whenever a creature you control the tax alone, it gets plus x plus
x and let him turn or x is the number of card types among cards
in all the graveyards and lure GoIF creatures you control have trample h and and
and it is a typal card Kindred Kindred cards. So if you mill this
with decent play, it will come into play. And oh that's cool.
So Tarfire isn't the only one. I didn't. I actually forgot that this
was one of them. Yeah, that's interesting. If we mill or discard
this, I get it. I feel like terror w would probably be better
than this, but it doesn't. Do you know what the answer is?
Bood, you got it? Yeah, we got there. So that's all
the goys, honest. The one that shocking to me Terra Warson in here.
But whatever, I gotta throw back for it is something that we haven't
seen or said in a long, a long while. Okay, of these
Tarmago creature sweet, I would say, sweet, sweet, sweet sweet of
creatures. Yes, sweet sweet, sweet sweet of creature, our last sweet
jundamount. There's some classics in here. We've got twelve cards, and I
kind of want to go from least powerful the most powerful, but I can't
order that in my head. Very good, So I'm gonna start with Braun
and this is just if you have a forest and it's in your graveyard because
you discarded it. Your creatures have tramples sick. So we can attack with
it, we can chump with it, we can do whatever we want with
it because we want it to die. We can discard it to get a
GIF, we can like whatever, right, and then our guys have trample,
so it's kind of like a finisher enabler. Yes, yeah, okay,
makes us go. We have a day youthy void walker. I think
that's a seed each card at this point. I think it's probably in modern
versions of this. It's pretty good. It's for black black straight up.
It is just black black for a three to two with shadow, which means
it can only be blocked or block things with shadow. If a card will
be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, exile it with the counter on
it. Now that's a little bit of a non boo, but it's still
pretty dope. And then you can tap and sacket choose an exiled card and
opponent controls with a void counter on it. You can play at this turn
for free. I got it, cut this card, put a terrivor in
boom. There it is deck is much more powerful. Yeah, and that
one was her free okay, inquisition of Casala very bad card in Commander,
but it says target player reveals their hand. Yes, we could pick ourselves
and this is sort of like a Elvish piper for tarmarguiy I suppose yes,
or if we top deck it and like our opponent's got one card in hand,
sure, ah, well mind you If they have one card in hand,
it's probably like it's probably like, uh, it's probably a land.
No, it's probably like a frickin' expropriator time stretch or something. If it's
turned, and this has to be a card that they discard with converted amount
of cost three or less. Yeah, I wonder why this isn't like a
thought sis. There is also thoughts. Oh oh yeah, because there is
also playing thought seas. Okay. These are like classic Jund cards, which
is pretty cool. Yeah, this one's in here because it has target player
and it's a classic gum cards Khalitas Kleitus Ye trader of Get this Foil version
that we're playing in this deck is approximately fifty percent of what it would have
cost to play this not three months ago. But it got a cool reprinting
a secret Layer and now it's a more affordable card. There you go.
It's a three to four withth lifelink for Black Black two. It also has
kind of a non vokes. When your bros creatures eat shit, you will
make a zombie by removing their creature from the game instead of putting it into
the bin. You can also pay Black two sack another vampire or a zombie
put two plus one plus one counters on him. Kleatus, Kleatus. Do
you think that's why they reprinted them in the Cowboy set? It's Kletus is
coming in in a Cowboy I'll bet you that's what it was. I hope.
So I'll bet that's why. I hope that that's the reason me too.
Okay, Oh another junk classic. Oh yeah, okay. Liliana of
the Veil my not my favorite Liliana ar and everybody's like, oh this one
so hot. Yeah, Liliana sip. It's the flip Walker. That is,
if you're looking at just straight up sexy Liliana's it's the back half of
the flip over one but from Commander Black. Yeah. Did we just agree
on something? Yeah? Okay, plus one, each player discards a card
boom that gets us a quife. Great. Minus two target player sacks a
creature. We sacrifice the worthless token. They probably sacrifice something good. No,
that's target player sacrifices a creature. Oh well yes, not even mind
you. It could be if there was no creatures in any graveyards and we
just needed our terma grave. If we desperately need that brawn in the bin.
Yeah yeah, ooh yeah, that's actually good. Yeah yeah, okay,
and then minus six is like separate all permanence and destroy a bunch of
shit. But choice of we don't care about that. Yeah, Ragavan nimble
pilfer. Hell yeah, this is a jun guy. Like he attacks,
he makes a treasure token. You can cast their top card of their library.
This could kind of go in the manor rock section or the ramp section,
probably because that treasure like it's pretty important, don't you think, Yes,
yeah, it helps is such a good card he pays off like late
game two, right, Like that's why people are like, no he's value,
No, he's card draw I no, he's this or that, But
really, like I look at him as a ramp because if I see him
on turn one I want to get like my chip ins and I want to
make the treasure token yep, yeah, okay, rhythm of the while.
You like this one. I love this card. It's an enchantment for red
green one. Creatures you control can't be countered, pretty good. Ah and
non token creatures you control have riots. When they come into play. You
can either put a plus one plus one counter on them or you can give
them haste. You know what I like about that card? Everything is the
card itself is great. But you know what if I'm disc if I'm making
myself discard and just active or triggering an ability on my commander, my gifes
can't be countered anyways, And that feels very junded to me, doesn't it
right. It's just like another way that I'm shutting off cards in your deck,
another way for me to gain virtual card advantage on you, because everything
that says counter target spell in your hand just doesn't work and make you feel
like this. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to see,
but you feel like this playing against a John deck. That's ugh, That's
that's how you feel. It's it's demoralizing. Schooze Scavenging news is it two
to two for two? You can pay and green and move a card from
a from a graveyard. If it's a creature, it gets plus one plus
one and you gain a life. Yeah, cool ass card. Say see
this foil scavenging goose. See the price of it? Yep, sixty nine
cents. That's right. Nice. In I don't know twenty eleven, twenty
eleven, was it in Commander twenty eleven? I think it was maybe.
I think that's where it was first printed. It was a it's like a
real card. I had a Japanese card. I had a Japanese version of
this card on eBay when it was first printed whenever that was. And I
was like, I gotta sell this on eBay. It's brand new. It's
like this hot card, right yeah. And it was like at I don't
know, four dollars, five dollars, I was like, this is bullshit.
Wow, I hate eBay. And then like people got their eBay bots
or whatever that like, when it's at three seconds left, it'll just bid
bad, bad, bad, bid right up to your max in the last
three seconds. Jump at the forty three dollars and look at it now.
Hashtag MTG finance look at it now. And this card was like the budget
ptarmagi because it made goifs smaller and then became bigger than goifs and gained you
life. Yes, yes, put you out of reach of GoIF so this
used. This card used to be a pretty big deal if I like no
excitement. I like how the anti GOEIF tech has now just been like encapsulated
into the Jung strategy just been ingested into the tech. Terror of the Peaks,
Steve the Pea baby, here we go. Okay, Dragon five four
flyer for five. That's already a good deal. Spells your opponents cast that
target. Terror of the Pee cost an additional three life to cast sick.
It's pretty good. Also, whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control,
I don't know, like a tarmaguif TV, the p deals damage equal
to that creature's power to any target. It's pretty good. It's kind of
like pyrol This is Pyroguy two. Yes, this is exactly Pyroguif two.
Yep. Okay. I wonder if when we were reading Pyroguiy people are like,
oh, it's just Terror of the Peaks, guys, it's not that
good. Well, it turns out Terror of the Peaks is in this deck,
and Terror the Peaks is fucking good. Yeah, it's strange that,
hey, hey, can't say I've never lost on that card. We have
the thought sees that we were talking about earlier that discards a card. We
have another classic junned card. I appreciate this one so much. I knew
you'd like this, both because I have like a fun the funny instagram one
that I could play if I ever wanted to build this deck, and because
this was the card that got junned, like on even footing with whatever the
control deck was in the meta, John first happened and thrown the Last Troll
as a four to four for four two of which you are green. Can't
be countered, can't be the targets of spells or abilities our opponents controls.
That's hexproof before hexproof was a thing, and you can regenerate it for green
one. And that thing just used to beat the shit out of control decks.
Just beat him to death. Yes, and that's why he's still seventeen
dollars us. That's a thirty eight Canadian man thrown the last troll. Hey,
and he looks so cool to look at him. Look at that fucking
guy. He's sitting there and he's like a fuck around and find out.
Oh yeah, he's gonna take that stick and just implant it in you somewhere,
and he doesn't even care where. Yeah doesn't. Yeah it doesn't.
You're gonna have a splinter. And the last card in the deck is Ren
and six another. What do you this is? John Staple? Hey,
I think I think it was a modern cardag John Staple, Girl Staple,
Legacy Staple until it was banned. I think Commander Staple. This card is
all around good. So this is a plains walker Wren. It's funny.
We got six and we got Ren and six Neat, neat and uh green
red is the cost three loyalty plus one return target land card from your graveyard
to your hand. So that's pretty good with fetched lands, I hear minus
one is it deals one damage to any target? Sure it gets more things
than you think. Oh yeah, get the bird, get the land warl
get put a lot of commanders. Somebody is gonna let's say somebody is playing
the same deck as you and your GoIF has bounced off of their goaf.
Now you can kill it with the Ren and six like it. It gets
stuff like the old mog fanatic. Right. It's surprising the number of times
you're gonna get something with this guy. You know, you know, Okay,
So I go ceeh one time, I go h ding ding turn one
anamar okay, and I'm like fuck yeah, I'm set up to like turn
two combo if like with with fierce Gardian ship like backup man because I got
my commander and stuff right Red and six guy beside me goes ren and kill
your animal. I'm like, shit, damn it. Now, I wasted
all my manor rocks. Like I used a light pedal, I used the
lotus pedal, and I used like the green the green fairy that you exile
to get a green or whatever spirit guy, yeah, fairy spirit guye or
whatever. And I got the Fierce Guardianship in my hand back up for free
animar blah blah blah. Yeah, and uh got shit. I don't have
any manna, I don't have my commander. Am a fierce guardian GYP doesn't
so good? And then the minus seven is you get an emblem with instance
and sorcery cards in your graveyards have retrace not I've gotten that emblem twice in
Commander, and honestly, I've always kind of been unimpressed with it. But
that's me personally as a brando, and I don't play the most instantly sorceries
in my deck. Yeah, you play that card for the land and because
it incidentally gets stuff. Yes, yeah, okay, so that's the deck
and that's that's why it's four thousand dollars if you want the ugliest fucking card
I've ever seen. And six yep, because remember they had that secret layer,
ugly as hell with the red borders. Some of them in very rare
versions had a ren and six that had this red border and this just,
in my opinion, really ugly art on it. And that card is many
dollars if you can, if you can find them, ye, Like,
look at that hurts my brain, right, it just it's so gross.
I've seen them a few times at Magic. I was like, man,
this was like fifty bucks. I'd totally buy it because it's so ugly.
Right, It's like a dog that has like its eyeballs are arranged vertically on
its face instead of horizontal. Right, It's just it's so homely. But
I can't justify the price tag for just a funny card. Well, we're
going to talk about the price tag of this deck in a second. But
yeah, strengths and weaknesses first, strength and weaknesses, and Joe's got this
fits the animation strength and weaknesses. New hotness, yes, yeah, and
I'll lump the new hotness in because you know, I like I like talking
about the new commanders. The interesting the hot topics is we're getting value.
We're getting value monetarily because we can afford goifs. Now, there's a GoIF
deck. Now we've been waiting for the luregoifs and the mortivores and the terovares
and all the stuff. Right, sure the black one is like thirty five
bucks. Sure, but we can do it now. And we counted up
the other day when we did the Maudi Ho Ho Ho commander review. Yep,
there's like we're playing eleven of them in this deck. There's a couple
that we're missing. We could play changelings and we could have like fifteen sixteen,
maybe twenty goifs. Pretty good, and that's good, and that's like
not including the creature type changing cards. And keep in mindly in a deck
like this, you can just play cards that are good and just make your
own goifs with your Commander, because that's what the Commander does. Yeah,
and this being the at one point, I'm not sure if it still is,
this was like the least desirable of the four decks. So if your
lgs got him in the Modern Horizons three decks, I mean, you're probably
gonna find that the old Drassi one is sold out, the Global one is
all gone, and you're gonna find energy in this thing and that deck has
lots and lots of the stuff from this list to day. There we go.
Yeah, I like that so okay value in that you can do a
few upgrades to the pre con and have like a perfectly serviceable kindred deck.
There we go, And I like that. I like that Goeif finally gets
his day. Now. I've played terra War, I've played Teravar and Commander,
but that's the only one. And I famously traded off my playset oft
tarmogiks when I finished playing Legacy for a twenty twelve Commander's Arsenal to get like
the foil Kalias and the foil Command Towers and the foil Ristic study, the
click down Life Counters before those were everywhere, right, I traded away Goifs
to get that because I was like, I'm never gonna play these, and
they the playset of them was over two hundred dollars. And I'm happy I
made that trade, but I'm also happy that finally gets his day because it
is a card where like, if you're a Commander player, you would trade
them away because what are you gonna do with them? And now if you
kept one or if you find one, no one can play it again.
I didn't even keep a Commander play set. Didn't you keep one? I'm
sure some people did, Like I'm sure we could if I went out today,
I'll bet you I could source locally a go I bet I could,
Oh yeah for sure. And that's pretty cool. And you finally get to
play. We'll go to fu Joel and he'll be like, uh, yeah,
you want foiler non foil? Yeah? Do you want foil Japanese Time
Spiral ones or foil with the Future site frame future site, the first Madi
hole, Yeah, the Ultimate Masters printing with the extended art like what do
you want? Hey, guys, got some cards? Hey, d jes
me Japanese foil Future tarmergifs like freaking thousands of lots of Still there are lots
of money that's for collector purposes. Yes, okay, weaknesses. I wanted
to ask you, oh, Junda player, Oh that's me John player guy.
Yeah. Does this stack of one hundred cards have enough jam for the
late game? I think it does. You think because you've disrupted there may
they're early and mid game enough chander's ignitions, damnations, lots of removal,
all the while progressing our own game plan. So I think once, if
this deck has done its job by the time you've got to the late game,
your opponents are probably running alan resources, have a subpar board presence compared
to yours, and they're just feeling like we talked about earlier, kind of
demoralized and beat up. And then you're just gonna just keep on that pressure.
The deck is consistent enough that it's gonna be able to apply pressure to
people and just break them. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna like wrap the
board enough that they're gonna be you know, hellbend or maybe one or two
cards per turn right, and you're gonna be like, oh, I guess
I'll make another six five or five six. I guess I'll make another six
seven like each turn, right, yep? Okay, so late game six
seven doesn't sound very good. But if nobody has anything, six to seven
is gonna, over a few turns when I still have lots of removal in
my hand, gonna get you there because six is a bigger number than one,
so might not be a lot of weakness though it doesn't have a ton
of top end, like there's no Ula Mogus, there's no twenty twenties,
there's no huge stuff like that. If it hasn't performed the way that you
want it to and hasn't, like if there's one guy who just hasn't had
their game plan disrupted to a degree, they're probably gonna their top end is
gonna be way higher than okay, so watch out for that. Yes,
and that would be my next question. Or potential weakness are goifs as a
creature type or this deck is it strong enough for modern commander I'm gonna or
do you have to play the mid range Jund deck of old? Do you
have to play it more like a control deck that just incrementally gains value until
you see an opening and then alpha strike Yes, that's what you gotta do,
because no, they're not, and that's not a play style that everybody
likes, even if they're bigger than the other creatures on the field. The
fact is there's other types of creatures that are more plentiful or bigger, or
more value laden or have better abilities. Like if you were to hold the
goifs up to dinosaurs, the dinosaurs are gonna stomp them flat in one attack
period, right, So you've got to have that kind of grinding mindset.
The rest of the deck backing the goifs up are what make goifs good.
Yes, And the value that you can glean over the course of a game
with your commander and all of those incremental advantages. Yeah, okay, okay,
So I guess the weakness there is the top end might not be there,
and to account for that top end, you have to play closer to
the control side of that spectrum. And not everybody likes that. And I'm
gonna I'm gonna throw this out there. I've been thinking about this over the
time i've been looking at this deck list. People don't like playing against stacks.
No, that's the that's the truth. But here the most part here's
here's a thing to put in your cross shoe. It a little bit.
Stax is very upfront with what it's doing. Oh yeah, it's like listen
here, fucker, no one tapping for you, no drawing cards for you.
You don't do nothing. You sit there and you shut up. Junned
kind of does that too, but very kind of behind the veil where it's
like Okay, I'm gonna do this and this and this. It's like,
yeah, fuck you, I'm gonna kill that, kill that, discard a
card, eat my shit, your hell band, I'm gonna attack you for
six right. And I think that that can put off certain people who are
there for a particular experience. I got it, I got you, I
got you. It's like playing it. It's like playing a mono blue deck,
except cooler because it's Junned. It's like your rookie season in the NHL.
You get drafted, you get called up, you're playing in the show
now yeap, and it's like I was the best hockey player in my draft
class, right, I was the first rounder. Yeah, and then you
just get pounded in the NHL. Everybody's bigger, everybody's faster, everybody's tougher.
Everybody shoots harder, right, everybody's you. Yeah, except they have
more experience than you. Right, that's jund. And you play a whole
season and you're like, okay, okay, I made it. I think
I got this, I got this. I beat Jund, right, my
team made the playoffs. Then you get to the playoffs and you only play
the best teams and then it's fricking just pound City again, and Junda is
like, yeah, fuck you, this is the playoffs, right, and
then you think, oh man, we made it to the last round.
Oh man, we're going with the Stanley Cup. And then the last team
just fucking takes it to you again, right, And then you're the Edmonton
Oilers and JUND is holding up the Stanley Cup. Correct, Yes, exactly.
You've been jundered at that point because at the end of the whole year,
because at the end of the day, John still got there. It
just took a while. And that's how these decks work. Yeah, So
last question in the weakness section, Okay, after you get jundered out and
this deck quite expense of can you make jund for cheap or is this a
weakness that not everybody gets to play with jund because the cards that make it
really good, like some of the planes Walkers, some of the removals,
and some of the mannabase that you need is quite expensive. This deck specifically,
I think it teeters on that because it is the version I assume finger
Blast, Mommy three, Mommy Sniff actually plays. So it's lots of foils,
it's lots of primo editions. The Lightning Bolt is four hundred dollars five
hundred, which is a which is a free cent card, right, So
there's lots of that going on in here. The sol Ring is also very
expensive. I'll let the nation know this deck as entered is twenty eight hundred
and sixty five dollars stack of one hundred cards. And I'll bet you if
you cut all of the just superfluous expense out of it, you could probably
do this deck for I'm gonna say between one thousand and twelve hundred. I
got you, I got you, okay, Judge Foyl Soul Ring two fifty
Alpha Bolt or baita Bolt whatever, I don't. I can't tell the difference
between like the digital image that Architects shows sure five hundred. Just the foil
fetches are almost four hundred foil Fyrexiine Arena and Bob three hundred and twenty other
foils. I just said three hundred. So let's cut all that out and
just play regular versions of those things like sol Rings two bucks, right,
fetch Lands all time low, like thirteen bucks. This deck is still eleven
hundred dollars. I was close. I was you making like disguising that you're
really smart. No, I was actually thinking. I was trying what I
think this card, this deck would be built for. But keep in mind
we talked about it. Maybe it was yesterday, maybe it was today.
I can't remember. It's very hot in here, and my brain isn't functioning
properly. But John to plays good stuff. It's a good stuff deck.
It plays the best things in its colors. So when you look at a
number like eleven hundred dollars, you're gonna buy eleven hundred dollars worth of cards,
and all of that stuff, with very few exceptions, are gonna find
homes somewhere else. I play virtually this entire list, amongst other decks.
Yeah, I bet you. I play every card in here, minus the
goifs and even some of the goyfs in my decks. And the funny part
of the funny part about hashtag emptyg finance is this is an eleven hundred dollars
deck with those cuts that I said, But what I mean is the swaps
to non foil versions. Yes, And you wouldn't go around and say,
hey, amongst these six decks that I play in my bag, there's eleven
hundred dollars worth of cards. And you wouldn't say, I'm gonna go out
and spend eleven hundred dollars of dollars on these cards, right, but especially
not when you can say five percent of fusion with CEO save you. No,
certainly not you. You just acquire those overtime. Hey, I picked
up a damnation at this command fest. Oh hey, I crack this Chander's
ignition like back in the day when it was into fourteen dollars card. I
know got reprinted. It's cheaper than that now. But fetch lands all time
low and you know you crack somewhere you had them from onslaught like I played
in a Maudi Ho Ho Ho pre release and opened three of them. There
you go. I opened up my first ever booster box ever, ever,
ever in the basement of my mom's work at the bank, and me and
my buddy Adam and Clayton, and we split it three ways, one of
those stacks each, and I got three fetch lanes in it from like pack
fresh onslaught fetch lanes. Can you imagine what they'll smell like? I'm smelling
it right now. I'm smelling I having I can't Yeah, I can't tell.
So anyways, it's not gonna be eleven hundred dollars. It's gonna be
what you have to build with over time, with good stuffs, and a
lot of that stuff actually actually over the years has been printed into pre cons,
not the bobs and all the goeifs and the fetchlanes and stuff. But
I mean you can just get those. Most of the goifs are in the
pre con. They're in the goaf precon. Right, tomagwef is probably the
only one that you really are gonna shell out for you, like O G
timersix six bucks. Six bucks is six bucks, and you're looking at shitty
creatures like goyef. I suppose Mortivor's like fifty cents, Magna Wars like thirteen
cents. There you go. I think Terra war might still be a few
bucks, yeah, nine or ten bucks here, I think, but maybe
that maybe it's not in here because he couldn't find a foil one and he
wanted his whole deck to be foiled. Oh yeah, because I think foil
terra wars are Oh yeah, odysty that's an expensive that's a lot of that's
a lot of dollars you're going to ask him for there, But you know
what you mentioned it get the pre con. That's that's where I would start.
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If you're gonna spend maybe a enough money to get two precons, there you
go. Well, I mean the Maudi Ho Ho Ho Ho precons are pretty
expensive, so if you buy that in a couple upgrades for the deck,
you probably hit one hundred Canadian dollars. That's like sixty five cents us right,
like you play fine that in your couch, yes, sir man.
Final thought of the day, John de Goeif's Ccio Nation. What It's great
to see a deck that I used to have a very affectionate part of my
heart for that got away from me and became a cultural phenomena kind of you
know, it's a mainstay in so many formats. It's nice to see it
brought back in classic John format right here in Commander. This is a deck
that I think if somebody else built this, I would ask to Bora wouldn't
play it? Oh, I really would like. I don't think I'll go
out and build this myself, but damned if I don't want to shuffle these
cards together and play them or see them played in an LGS. I like
this deck a lot. And I think anybody who's kind of played in a
format where junda is very prevalent, I think you're gonna you're gonna dig this.
Of course, you're somebody that is, you know, totally traumatized by
playing. Oh yeah, and you never want to see it again because this
will give you flashback. You're gonna be like the dog with the helicopter flying
over, like right, the guy at the grocery store trying to get toilet
paper, but the frickin' aisle is barren. Right, Yeah, you're gonna
have that going on. But this deck is really cool and I'm really glad
we got to talk about it on the show today. Yeah, if you
have Maudi Ho Ho lists, keep in coming. We're gonna kind of ignore
Assassin's screen as far as deck goes. And we got a jam in some
more sweet decks before Bloomberol, the crazier, the better fuck high Powerless,
just some crazy ass. Okay here, I'm gonna put a call out here
for anybody who's still listening, is give us like the weirdest deck, and
not your pet deck and not your funny like ladies looking left deck. Like
I'm talking about like arkslagger exiling stuff and using rift sweeper to give it back,
get it back, like weird combos, mdfcs, no lands. I'm
talking about like the weirdest thing where it takes ninety nine cards in your deck
to make a combo. Like give us the weirdest, craziest, kookiest things
you've ever seen, like Questingbeast allfog dot deck, Like, give us those
yes, give us some true CEO fucking stinkers. Yeah, because we haven't
done a stinker in a good long we haven't stunk up the joint in a
good long while. As we're talking about John, like the most consistent deck,
right, yeah, give us some garbage. Yeah, Like, let's
let's just play some piles of trash until we start going to talk about fucking
cartoon mice stabbing each other with fucking pins. Yep, God damn it.
Yeah, I can't wait. The set's gonna be great and I'm excited for
it's like everybody else. But god damn it, let's go down swinging before
we go back into spoiler season next week. Yeah all right, yeah,
let's do that. So thank you very much for being here, thanks to
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