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We're back with another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily de Shinskey,

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culture editor here at the Federalist.
As always, you can email the

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well. Today we are joined once again

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by Matt Walsh, who is obviously
the host of The Matt Walsh Show over

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at the Daily Wire, but also
the host of a new television show called

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Judged by Matt Walsh. It premieres, it drops on Tuesdays at eight.

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It's streaming everywhere now. It's available
on the Daily Wire Plus, it's available

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on x It's available on YouTube.
Matt, thanks for stopping by the show.

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Hey, thanks for having me.
All right, so tell us about

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Judged by Matt Walsh. I actually
thought that was the name of the Matt

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wall Show day for years now,
it's just been Judged by Matt Walsh.

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Well, that exactly is that's the
that's the whole tie in. I mean,

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that's why the show exists. It's
it's sort of I'm always accused of

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being judgmental, so we figured we
might as well put that to use.

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I don't know if people normally mean
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but we decided to just go with
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you know, the show means that
I am as i've as I have now

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announced myself. I am, at
least in my own eyes, America's foremost

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legal authority and expert. And I
do have It's I do have actual legal

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authority in these cases. These are
real cases, and I have, you

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know, contractual legal authority. It's
it's very limited. I'll admit it's much

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more limited than I than I would
prefer, but I do have the ability

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to settle these disputes that are that
are broad before me. Are you more

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of a judge Judy or a judge
Joe Brown or this is just a totally

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this is just judged by Matt Walsh. You couldn't Matt Walsh can't be compared

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to Judge Judy or Judge Joe Brown, because it's your your own thing.

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Yeah, I think I would say
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because those other judges they're they're fine, they have their nice little shows,

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but you know, they have things
like they have things like legal quote unquote

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legal experience, They have things like
quote unquote law degrees and so forth.

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I have none of that. I
have I have none of that whatsoever.

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And so and I like to think
that that that prepares me even more to

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settle these cases. Because the other
thing, too, is that we are

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we are dealing with cases that would
never be allowed in a real courtroom,

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but I think should be, you
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the show exists. That's one of
our it's kind of one of our marching

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orders that we've imposed on ourselves is
that we don't we don't want any case

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that you might actually find in a
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that's one of the things that Census
part I think, you know, you

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guys were really pioneers in the space
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I mean, this is a full
blown television show. What's that like?

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Is it is it's similar podcasting?
I imagine it's a totally different animal.

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It don't feel like it's all the
different animal. I mean, this is

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it is? It is new for
the Daily Wire. I mean, obviously

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we've we've we've put out pieces of
entertainment in the past, and and uh,

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this is a kind of the marker
we threw down as a company years

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ago. We wanted to get into
the entertainment space, and we have.

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Obviously, we put out films,
we put out different things. Uh,

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plenty of podcasts and audio, you
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sort of thing. We have a
we have our first animated series that's coming

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out in May. But this was
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a a an actual television show,
kind of a traditional genre. It's

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our own spin on it. But
obviously the core genre we didn't We didn't

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invent that. It's been around for
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foray into that. And I personally
enjoyed it quite a bit. It's I

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found it to be. It was
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fun to do. So I'm happy
that the audience seems to like it because

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I'd like to keep doing it.
And how many episodes did you guys tape

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we take? I think we ended
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know that I've got a lot of
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with ten or eleven episodes, I
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That's two cases per episodes. We
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you have a favorite one that you
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tease? You know, It's it's
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Well, one of my favorites is
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you haven't watched the show yet,
you go to Daily wire dot com,

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become a subscriber, you can watch
it. We had a case of a

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and this was I think in our
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an uncle that whose niece had was
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and he asked his niece to go
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recreationally and so that he could try
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so this is what kind of a
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the way home from purchasing the medicine
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it all to her friends and they
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he was suing her to basically get
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face to face with you in a
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as you know, thinking that i'd
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of those cases like it would seem
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based on everything that we know that
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have some great case you must have. And I'm sitting there waiting, like,

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what is you must have some great
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me with this case of all things. And I not to spoil it,

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but he didn't have a great argument, but it was It was funny though

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to hear him try anyway, Does
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out in any of these episodes?
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like you were getting close to maybe
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but no soft spot at all for
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I wouldn't know. There's no soft
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all. I don't. I don't
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I do try to well, I
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do find doing this show in some
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dad, there's the dad part of
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it's younger people in there and their
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I can't help. I can't stop
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I like to think it's one of
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my own kids feel about it,
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a bit. I don't know if
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I do. You know, I
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souls as best I can. It's
just such an interesting concept because, and

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I think back to the Judge Judies
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types of shows, there's this weird, like almost liminal space between the law

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and just what is being a normal
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we're losing in our culture right now, is just this like shared consensus on

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what good behavior is. Like people
listening to their iPad are giving their kids

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iPads without headphones, and you're like
ad the DMV and you just hear like

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bluey blaring through the drab corridors.
I feel like that's actually part of why

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this concept. And you can correct
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of like a leading sort of question, but it seems like that's why this

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is such a ripe concept right now, at ripe time for this concept,

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because people like genuinely need to be
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it is not being a decent human
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I think that's exactly right. That's
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pitch than anything I've said so far, or anything that I've said in any

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interview about this show. So I'm
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that's exactly right. I mean,
and I joke about on my own show

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all the time, quote unquote joke
half joke about all the very I'm coming

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up with new laws that I think
should be passed, like every day on

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the show. But it does kind
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whole lot of things that you can
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do because they're anti social and wrong
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we've kind of lost we've lost sight
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Like anytime you if you observe any
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well, that's wrong. People shouldn't
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you know, the Internet in the
peanut gallery is always well, but people

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have people can act that way.
They have the right to act that way

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if they want to. But yeah, they might have the right to,

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but you still shouldn't. Like,
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do it even though you can.
And that that connection seems to be lost

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on a lot of people for whatever
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were saying that, it reminds me
in a really weird way of the twenty

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twelve Republican autopsy, at which you
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brains in DC come together and say, you know, the Republican Party,

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the conservative movement, can't you know, infringe on people's the American people sort

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of libertarian sensibilities. You know,
this is the don't tread on me,

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let me do what I want to
do. I won't let you, and

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I'll let you do what you want
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ethos. And we're just going to
be non judgmental. And then here's one

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of the most popular people in conservative
media, one of the most popular people

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in podcasting period, just coming out
of the show called Judged, and I

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really feel like that speaks to again
people realizing that there have to be some

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lines after even like on such a
high political level, there was this movement

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away from judgment The conservative movement,
you remember this ten years ago was sort

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of like we're not going to be
judgmental, We're just going to be open

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to everything. And it just sort
of it flipped quickly. Yeah, that's

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as you say, that's the libertarian
that's back when conservatism had a much more

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prominent libertarian streak. And you hear. I mean, the big slogan for

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people that still hang on to that
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laws anyway, is that you can't
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than I'd like. And my point
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of course you can legislate morality.
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passed anywhere in the world by any
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morality in a sense in that it's
all laws are based in some kind of

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moral code, some sort of moral
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the fundamental reason why it's made illegal
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Now, that doesn't mean that everything
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it does mean that everything that's illegal
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anything that's right that's made illegal.
Like why is it? Why is it

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illegal? Why is a murder illegal? Well, you could say, because

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you're harming another person, Well,
why shouldn't harm another person? Eventually,

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very quickly you get to, well, because it's wrong, it's evil,

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that's why you shouldn't do it.
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Then once we can establish that,
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well, yeah, every law is
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what circumstances should we legislate morality and
what kinds of law should we pass to

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that effect? Like, that's a
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you know, the broader conversation.
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campus protests over the weekend and sort
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treated in the last ten years versus
students just in the last couple of weeks.

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to sort of not been super sympathetic
to the new right and sort of seizing

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laws and using them for a correct
morality when the laws maybe shouldn't exist in

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the first place. So the regulation, the campus regulation shouldn't exist in the

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first place, and you should have
full free speech in this you know,

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school or whatever. But it's like
free speech has always existed from the envision,

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the vision of the founding fathers for
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So there's a difference between outright bigotry
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saying, maybe our policy about trans
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Like the music that was playing,
I think that was at Harvard.

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So in a sense, it's like
we all kind of know that we need

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some you know that that culture is
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of culture, and culture is downstam
of politics. But we got really uncomfortable

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with that for a while, and
there's still some people that are deeply uncomfortable

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with it because they've seen, for
example, like the censorship of the Biden

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administration come down on Federalists and Daily
Wire, like we have a joint lawsuit

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right now going on over that exact
issue. It's just it's not so much

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that these concepts are bad, just
that they're misdirected in horrible like communist ways,

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right now, Yeah, I think
that that we just like we struggle

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with, you know, famously with
the definitions of many basic concepts and words,

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when when you get into more abstract
concepts than the struggle is even is

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even deeper. And so a big
part of the problem is that, you

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know, every every debate in this
country always comes down to competing claims of

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rights and freedoms. But then,
as it's kind of my move, like,

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I like to ask people what does
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you ask most people when they when
they say, oh I have a right,

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I have a right to this or
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If you're asking what do you mean
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does that mean? Human right?
What is that? Where does that come

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from? Why does that matter?
Why should I care? Why should I

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care about your rights? Is?
Why should it matter to me? Why

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should it matter to anybody? These
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I think they they wouldn't be able
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is kind of as far as they
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rights, they can talk about freedom, they recognize vaguely that these are sort

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of good things, but they can't
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know a lot of this goes back
to the education system and all that.

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And that's why conversations about free free
speech, what is free speech, what

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does it cover? What doesn't it
cover? They're almost hopeless because you know,

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we haven't even agreed on It's like
what does free mean, what does

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that mean? And what does that
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other thing about what what what counts
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that's that's what makes it makes it
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think most of the time, now
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most of the time it shouldn't be
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should be allowed and what shouldn't.
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protests, like you're pointing out,
but some of what we're seeing here has

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nothing to do with speech. If
they're setting up in campments and they're setting

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up like refugee homeless encampments in the
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that. That's against the rules.
I mean, that's and and no one

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is allowed to do that. You
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able to go to some campus and
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that. Yeah, they would not
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that at all. They would I
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on the grass and hold a sign
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alone set up in a campment.
So that shouldn't be allowed. If you're

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if you're if you're explicitly trying to
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a certain group people, obviously that
shouldn't be allowed. If you're calling for

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the death of people, obviously that
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on that, like if we just
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be left with. I think most
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Right. But that's like such a good

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example of a fundamental thing we just
don't agree on anymore. Another one is

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marriage, and you've been super outspoken
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the shared consensus on a limiting principles
that marriage is about child rearing and their

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exceptions, but the primary, the
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or the primary purpose of marriage is
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families, and you know, have
citizenship through that, and you practice your

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religion through that and et cetera.
You can go on down the line.

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But we don't agree on that anymore. And now you're having these profiles on

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polyamory everywhere because once we discarded with
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the slippery slope. Yeah, And
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that as a slippery slope, and
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But what we should realize is that
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bit misleading because that gives you it's
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slope, because at least a slope
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and there's a logical progression. You
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might give you a better chance of
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lot of these things, and marriage
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to really the most extreme thing,
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that people of the same sex can
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chance of a family being born naturally
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the way there a lot of this
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that's a little I would say,
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that, if we were going liear
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have done that first, because that's
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supposed to be than the same sex
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way to that, and now we're
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that we skipped. It's sort of
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people say, well, we do
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the silppery slope is transracial. Let's
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that's that's actually less extreme. That's
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be allowed if we're if we're if
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allow transracial because that's a less extreme
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to the most extreme iteration of the
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the things that are less extreme than
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to take us, our simple instincts
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extreme direction because that's what we crave. I mean, why did we go

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from zero to sixty so fast?
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who has an actual lobbying group behind
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there is no there's no real group
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think eventually, eventually they probably will
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were kind of skipped saying for polygamy, you know, there's not there just

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hasn't been. There was no real
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I think we're really starting to see
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few years that's going to be,
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to explicitly embrace that. But they
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part of it too. Did some
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I mean it's sort of a chicken
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people were going to such links that
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that we decided we had to,
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a sense, it seems like we
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was writing about this in Culture of
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the early eighties, there was this
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like what do you think it is? Did we stop judging people and therefore

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we just dropped the pretense and said, well, we can't judge people anymore,

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because we're just accommodating any direction that
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it's you know, full women having
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tilesh their careers, never getting married, and then you know, being unhappy.

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like some of that stuff happened a
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where we just like discarded with the
entire pretense. Yeah, I think it

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was the embracing of tolerance as a
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of all virtues is tolerance, and
that's that's something that's you know, I

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can remember back when I was a
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was being preached about in that way
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a virtue at all. Tolerance is
only tolerance is good depending on what you're

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tolerating. You should tolerate tolerable things. But the thing is you don't need

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to if it's tolerable. You don't
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like of course they will. That's
why it's tolerable. It's not like,

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you know, a real virtue something
like courage. We would never say,

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well, courage is good in certain
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should always be courageous, you should
always be loving. You know, you

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should always be honest. Those are
good in every context. But you know,

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something is not a virtue if it's
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which is what tolerance is. And
I blame. Yeah, there's many different

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factors that played into this, but
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the churches for this. That allowed
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great virtue, talking about judgment as
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as if Jesus in the Gospels had
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which is not. And all of
the Bible verses that are often quoted

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even in churches during sermons, I've
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Jesus never said don't exercise any kind
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saying is judge, judge rightly,
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judgment, not no judgment at all, obviously, And what is your biblical

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sort of in your own mind,
your biblical guideposts or maybe balance injuries or

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definition of proper judgment, especially since
you know you do this every day through

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the Mat Wall show and now you
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know it is there. There are
people in this space that go wildly over

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the line and will you know,
be engaging all kinds of different things in

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their personal life like this is like
megachurch pastor trope at this point. But

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for you, how do you maintain
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the lines of proper judgment? Well, I think you you it's first of

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all, you want to judge people. And I hesitate to this a little

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bit because our standards are so out
of whack. But you want to judge

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people according to the standards that you
know that you would like people to judge

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yourself. Now again that that doesn't
work as well, because you have to

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have proper standards for yourself. But
the most important thing is that you are

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as long as you're you know,
you're focused on yourself first, your whole

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holding yourself to a proper moral code, and then you hold other people to

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the same. And also we recognize, you know, judge the sin,

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not the sinner is not really in
the Bible. That's not a quote in

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the Bible. It's often quoted as
if it is in scripture, but it's

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not. But I think the sentiment
is basically true, that we are judging

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action. We can look at things
that people are doing and saying those are

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the wrong things. We can listen
to what they're saying and say that's the

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wrong thing to say. But we
always have to remember is that we're not

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gods. We can't actually see inside
their soul so to to determine like their

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own personal level of guilt. We
can't do that as individuals. And I

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think as long as you keep that
in mind, then you're on the right

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path. So I'm sort of notorious
among my normal friends, a political friends,

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because every time that they try to
move in together before marriage, I

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send them an article you wrote in
like twenty twelve about why it is a

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disaster and you are just begging for
trouble if you move in before marriage.

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And I really like this article because
I think you did something very well in

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it, which is judged very harshly, but in a way that is,

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you know, communicating clearly that I'm
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Can you talk just a little bit
about striking the right balance. How

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you think about that yourself, you're
judging, but doing it out of love,

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frankly for your fellow Americans, your
fellow man. Yeah, it's tough

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because you know, anytime you're passing
a judgment, even if it's on an

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action you're saying like moving in together, as you are passing a judgment in

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a sence that you're saying that this
is a wrong action. It's going to

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be harmful to you and to your
relationship in the long run and to your

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souls. But anytime you do that, you're automatically going to be accused of

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being a hypocrite, being holier than
now, being cruel, being all of

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these things. And it's sort of
that doesn't do a certain extent for a

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certain portion of the public. It
doesn't matter how you frame it, doesn't

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matter what you say, they're going
to dismiss you that way. So you

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just you kind of know that going
in that's the way it is. But

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I do think so people can always
ignore whatever qualifications you offer, But it

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is important to make clear all the
same to anyone who has ears to listen,

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that you're saying this not because you're
personally annoyed or something, or because

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you're mad that they're not doing what
you want. You know, this is

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not an ego trip. You are
actually concerned for them and for their own

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well being. That's what this is
really about. You know. It's the

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same. It's like this with any
topic. It's like if we're talking about

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going back to the trance topic for
example. And and I've tried to be

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very clear about this, and again
people can always ignore it if they want

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to, but I want people.
I don't want people to fall into this

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trap because I'm I really am worried
about their well being and I know it's

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going to make them miserable. I
don't want people to be miserable and live

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horrible lives. I don't want that
for anybody. I don't want that for

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society. I don't want this stuff
to be promoted, whether it's transgenderism or

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moving in together, any of these
things. I don't want to be promoted

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because I don't want my kids to
fall into it. And that's important.

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That's where also it's always odd to
me when people say, when they're defending

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any of these things, they always
say, well, this doesn't affect you,

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like what, why do you care
so much it doesn't affect you.

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The first answer is that usually whatever
the thing is we're talking about, it

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does affect me, and it's not
hard for me to explain how it does.

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But let's just say that it doesn't
for a second. Well, so

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you're saying I should only care about
the things that affect me directly. That

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isn't that the definition of selfishness?
Like if I walk past a homeless guy

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on the street and I don't care, and I say it doesn't affect me

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like that is that is that how
we're supposed to live, where if it

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doesn't affect us, we don't care
at all. I would have thought that,

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you know, caring about something when
it doesn't affect you is That's that's

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what selflessness is. That's that's virtuous
you're supposed to So really, when someone

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says that, what I want to
say is, well, thank you,

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you're right, Like, it doesn't
affect me that much, but I still

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care because I actually care about other
people other than myself. So if you

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want to move in together before marriage, and I think it's going to harm

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your relationship and it's going to increase
your likely of divorce and all these things.

408
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Yeah, it doesn't affect me like
I could just say, hey,

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I washed my hands of it.
I don't care. But I do care

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because I want you to be happy, you know. And obviously all of

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these things do affect us because we
live in the same country. But I

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mean for the most part. Now, if we do a little bit of

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a teaser of the show, Matt, I want to ask you to judge

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someone, and of course this is
out of compassion and only having their best

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interest at heart. I want to
just start with the good Governor of South

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Dakota, Christinome, who has I
don't want to say bragged, but written

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enthusiastically about shooting your dog cricket fourteen
months old, the puppy cricket and a

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gravel pit after he chased some chickens
and then sought to bite her. I

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think they were on a hunt.
Matt. I don't even want to try

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to lead in one direction or the
other on this. Christinoam comes before the

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judge by Matt Walsh Small Claims Court, how do you judge Christinome? Well,

422
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,440
this is it's an interesting case because
there are so many parties here that

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I would love to that I think
need to be judged that. I wouldn't

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00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,839
want it to be just her.
I'd want to haul I want to haul

425
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,680
like everybody involved into the courtroom,
and none of them. I don't have

426
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,920
kind words for any of them.
But you can't catch a cricket though right

427
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640
unfortunately, poor cricket is no longer
with us. I can't. I can't

428
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,079
get her take on it, his
or her or whatever. I think it

429
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:55,440
was a girl dog. I don't
know why you name a girl dog cricket.

430
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,400
I think that sounds like a male
name. It's a different get that's

431
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,079
a separate case, I guess.
But anyway, I so Christy Dome.

432
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I think first there's two things here. There's like the politics of it,

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and then there's the actual thing itself, the act of killing the dog.

434
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:15,559
Just on the politics, this is
one of the most bewildering unforced errors in

435
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:22,480
politics I think I've seen in my
lifetime. Why would you volunteer this information

436
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,559
about yourself in a book? Knowing
again, putting aside like whether it was

437
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,480
the right thing to do it,
just just knowing how our culture and the

438
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,000
fact that we live in a culture
where people worship their dogs, I mean

439
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people people see their dogs as children, and so this is not the context

440
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,880
where people are going to be very
you know, forgiving of that kind of

441
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thing. I mean, I could
have if I had been, if she

442
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:47,839
had told me, if she'd come
to me and said, I got the

443
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,079
story that I'm gonna write, and
I'm gonna put it in my book and

444
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publish it. What do you think
I was. No, Absolutely, do

445
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,920
not put that in the book if
you want, if you want to tell

446
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,119
if the whole point here, which
I guess was the point that she's trying

447
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,839
to communicate that she makes tough decisions
and she's not afraid to make tough decisions.

448
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,279
Find any other, literally, any
other example from your life other than

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that, anything else that doesn't involve
killing a dog. Would be better if

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you killed an actual person, like
if you killed your neighbor rather than read

451
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,559
than a dog, that would be
better to put in your book. Politically,

452
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,440
in this environment than this. That's
the worst thing you could confess to

453
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in the minds of so many people
in our culture, So politically it's incredibly

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stupid. I don't know why she
thought to do that, to put that

455
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,559
as a book, especially because she's
so ambitious, and I think that's what

456
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,839
makes it. You know ten times
dumbers that this is a woman who desperately

457
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,559
wants higher office exactly, is trying
very hard. And that's that's the only

458
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,519
reason these books exist. Like this
is if you have if you have ambitions

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00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,799
for national office, you put a
book out. That's what every politician does.

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00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:47,279
Nobody reads the book, No one
cares about the book. The book

461
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,160
sells twelve thousand copies in the first
month, and then it disappears. Nobody

462
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,200
hears about it again. It only
exists just to give you some legitimacy and

463
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:59,440
to get a little bit of to
give you easy softball promotion for a few

464
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weeks. That's the book exists.
You don't put anything in the book that's

465
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,119
actually like interesting. You don't want
people if your book, as a politician,

466
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,119
makes news, it's always a bad
sign. You don't want it to

467
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,839
make news. So that was dumb. Now, as far as killing the

468
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,880
dog itself, I look, I
do think that first of all, on

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00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,920
a farm, these kinds of things
happen. I think many people are judging

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00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,880
this from their kind of suburban bubble. On farms, it's different. Dogs

471
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,799
have utility and if they no longer
have a utility there or animals in general

472
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,119
have a utility, and if they
never have no longer have utility, then

473
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:33,319
they're killed. That's the way it
works on a farm. That's how we

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00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,400
all eat. Unless you're a vegetarian. You eat because animals are defenseless.

475
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,680
Animals are brought to the gravel pit
or somewhere else and they're killed and you

476
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,240
eat them, and that's how it
works. However, I do think that

477
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:49,200
in this case, the dog was
fourteen months old. It sounds like it

478
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:55,640
had not been properly trained. From
what I've heard from actual dog trainers and

479
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,759
people who train hunting dogs, they
say takes longer than fourteen months to train

480
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,680
a So you know, you don't
just give up on the dog after fourteen

481
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,480
months and kill it. That's not
generally all these things have done, even

482
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:14,039
on a farm. So I think
that, you know, I think she

483
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,720
made the wrong choice. I don't
think that the dog should have been killed.

484
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,359
But then there's the whole other part
of this, which is the public

485
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,319
and the public reaction today. Even
though I agree that she shouldn't have killed

486
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:30,599
the dog, the fact that it's
this level of outrage from all corners of

487
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:38,039
the political world it's way overblown.
And then when you can when you when

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00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:45,200
you consider that there are politicians who
have confessed publicly to killing their own children

489
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:51,680
and have not experienced even a fraction
of the outrage that, to me is

490
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,799
is that's the sickest thing of all. That's much more sick than the killing

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00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,160
of the dog itself. It's the
fact that for a lot of people in

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our country, honest to God,
they they think it's more outrageous for a

493
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,559
woman to kill her dog than to
kill her own child. That is an

494
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,279
actual position that millions of people hold. I'm not making a straw man of

495
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,759
them, and I find that,
to me is the thing I can't I

496
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,839
can't get past that, that,
to me, is the real evil here.

497
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,920
It would actually be fascinating to ask
someone like Alexandri Kasio Kortez on the

498
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:28,079
left to rank the sort of important
the dignity level of a baby in the

499
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640
womb and a grown dog a puppy. I actually think they would struggle with

500
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,400
that quite much. That's a great
question. That's why I will never ever

501
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,000
be asked of any of them.
Uh, And they would, I mean,

502
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,519
they wouldn't struggle with it in reality, because for them, it's an

503
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,279
easy answer, the dog. They
take the dog first, one hundred percent

504
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,400
and they don't have to think about
it. But I think they would also

505
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,519
recognize that you don't want to say
that out loud. I mean, when

506
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:52,720
it comes to the pro abortion side, there are many many things you don't

507
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,759
want to say out loud, and
that's one of them. So I'd loved

508
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,599
how would they handle that publicly?
Very interesting to hear. Yeah, just

509
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:06,039
a scale of a fertilized embryo and
a dog and just see what they do.

510
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,280
Before we wrap, Matt, I
wanted to ask your opinion on I

511
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,360
wanted to ask you to judge another
scenario, and that would be the California

512
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:21,840
Highway Patrol actually flaming a Californian on
Instagram for using a dummy in a carpool

513
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,519
lane. So there's a couple layers
here, first using a dummy to use

514
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:30,559
the carpool lane, and then secondly
the California Highway Patrol blasting whoever this is

515
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,519
for putting their mannequin and like a
black hoodie and sunglasses, putting that on

516
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,679
social media for everyone to see.
Judge this one map, Well, you

517
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:45,239
know this is where you say why
I'm not an actual judge because I take

518
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,719
into account factors that have no real
legal bearing, and so for something like

519
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,320
this, I think, yeah,
look, it's against the law, it's

520
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,440
against the rules. I think the
law is important, rules are important.

521
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,639
I'm a law and order guy,
but I don't know. It's pretty funny.

522
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,679
So that has to count for something. And in my court, if

523
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:07,199
you come in and you've got a
funny excuse and it makes me laugh that

524
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,880
I give you time off for that, and also the creativity, like the

525
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,480
creativity that goes into to that,
like I look, I know that I

526
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:23,119
have disobeyed. I'll confess carpool rules
many many times, right to jail,

527
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360
like basically every time. I mean, if there's a carpool lane, I'll

528
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,400
just be honest me, I should
be admitting this. If there's a carpolane,

529
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,119
I'm taking it. I don't.
I don't because it's the fastest lane

530
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,880
and I got to get where I'm
going. And I don't care if I

531
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,000
have doesn't matter who else I've been. If I have no one else in

532
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,519
my car, I'm still taking it. And I've never thought to go through

533
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,400
the effort of actually getting a mannequin
and putting it in there. So I

534
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,920
don't know. I respect the effort, I mean, but it's never been

535
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,440
a problem for you. Then maybe
the judgment is on somebody actually going to

536
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,320
the effort because you're fine, they're
not going to pull you over. Yeah,

537
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,039
you probably call it you You're right. I guess I'm talking myself out

538
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:58,800
of giving them credit because you can
probably call more attention to yourself than you

539
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,400
need too. So yeah, anyway, I guess I guess it was dumb,

540
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,400
So they should go to jail.
You convince me. Tens Joe death

541
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,159
penalty. Even so, before we
wrap, Matt, actually, I do

542
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,000
have one more question. Jerry Seinfeld
came out recently, and I think this

543
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,079
is sort of surprising to people because
he's definitely on the left. He has

544
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,199
been very critical of political correctness for
a long time and he said that PC

545
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,920
crap that was his quote, is
like ruining TV. Again, not surprising

546
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,239
here from a comedian. There's been
a lot of comedians, even on the

547
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,880
left that has said something similar for
a long time. But just looking back,

548
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,599
even like Dailly Weier has been working
really hard at this, do you

549
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,599
feel like there's been a shift that
you know, when you have mainstream comedians

550
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:39,480
like Jerry Seinfeld, you have like
Shane Gillis now being super Pott gets canceled

551
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,760
from SNL and is now more popular
than he was way before that, more

552
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880
popular than most of the actual cast
members of SNL. Has there been a

553
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,280
culture shift? Is there something that's
actually really you know, you look back

554
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,519
and say this is this is healthier
than it was a few years before,

555
00:36:54,639 --> 00:37:00,679
or is it just so mixed that
it's hard to say. I think it's

556
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:07,199
probably slowly shifting in the right direction. I think people are I think it's

557
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,079
probably a slightly better environment for comedy
now than it was, say, three

558
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,360
four years ago, but it's still
not great. And I think that,

559
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:16,920
and you know, his analysis,
of course, is one hundred percent correct.

560
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,639
I think there's more that goes into
the death of comedy than just that,

561
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,800
but Wolken, this is a big
part of it. I also think

562
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,639
that there are there are certain people
who have just sort of been granted and

563
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,119
I think he talked about this in
the interview too, that some people have

564
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:36,119
just been grandfathered in that they're allowed
like he brought a Chappelle, even though

565
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:37,840
obviously he gets plenty of grief.
But still he gets the Netflix specials.

566
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:43,360
He can say what he wants,
Larry David Curby Enthusiasm. There are some

567
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,119
shows like Family Guy that have been
on the air forever, and so it's

568
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:50,679
just like you're kind of allowed to. But I guess the question is,

569
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,599
once all that goes away and all
of these people that have been grandfathered in

570
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:58,199
are no longer with us, are
no longer making comedy, what about this

571
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,519
next generation? Like who's in the
next general making really funny stuff? And

572
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:07,280
there are some people out there,
But I guess that's the worry. Well,

573
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,559
everyone can tune into Judge by Mount
Walsh. It's streaming everywhere Dailly Wire

574
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:17,280
plus YouTube x right now for a
dose of some real comedy. Mott Walsh,

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host of The Matt Walsh Show,
thank you so much for stopping by

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00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,840
a Federalist Radio Hour. Thanks a
lot, I appreciate it. You've been

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listening to another edition of the Federalist
Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinski, culture

578
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,880
editor here at The Federalist. We'll
be back soon with more. Until then,

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be the lovers of freedom and anxious
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