Give it a second. We gotta give it a sec yeah, I mean,
just in case. That's fair. Now they're here in this crap.
Good go strong, Let me juice these numbers real quick, hold on and
hell yeah? All right, all right, I guess we can start the
recording part of it. Welcome to. I was hanging out on the live
UM Welcome to episode. What is this one forty nine of clips and Dip?
We are fully back part of the two and three hoops Umpire Triumphant Return.
I think the Lab of the Jam the pod had an episode yesterday,
so we're just giving it to you from all angles on the Clippers offseason.
I am Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam Auslin Will Updike. We got a
lot of awesome stuff to talk about. We're gonna answering your questions. Michael
Wingers out is the GM. There's rumors to go over, but the people
really want to know. Most importantly, how are you two doing? Will?
I'll start with you. It's been a while since the fans of senior,
How are you doing? Buddy? Hasn't been a while. I feel
like the last time they saw me, he was the last time they saw
everybody well, you know, I'll doing good, doing good man really boring
Western Conference Finals. Yep, you know, would have been nice to be
a part of that. But maybe maybe another time, would it have We
could have helped a boring factor or we would have made it much more exciting.
I mean, if the Clippers were in the Western Conference finals, Denver's
done though. So that's true, That's very true. Adam, have you
been you were in Tennessee. You've been globetrotting. Some people been out and
about a little bit, taking some vacation time, kind of like the Lakers
are now. So it's been good. It's gonna be back with you guys.
I know, I missed the last show or Joseph and Carl were on,
so I missed a lot. But I'm glad we got this one today
and a little bit of breaking news just about a half hour ago. Yeah,
let's get into that before we get into these awesome questions. People sent
us questions over on Twitter at Clippers Pod. Come hang out. It's a
good time over there. Yeah. So, Michael Winger has agreed to become
the president of Monumental Basketball, which delivers him full leadership of the Washington Wizards.
As well as their ge league affiliate, the Go Go and w NBA
team, Like everybody in Washington, it's at the General's Like, I mean
it might like it might include that. But what this means for the Clippers
is a lot of people kind of thought with like there's these Bob Myers rumors
that he's out at Golden State. A lot of Clippers fans now just want
Bob Meyers to come to the Clippers. But will correct me if I'm wrong
in this thinking. We have Lawrence Frank, Like, I don't think Bob
Myers is gonna come be the one, the number two to Lawrence Frank,
Like that doesn't I don't really see that as being like a big move in
terms of changing the Clippers what the Clippers have, um and we've talked about
this. There definitely are some clear issues on the roster. I don't know
that you need Bob Myers to really figure those out. They kind of bring
themselves out like a sore thumb. And I am still of the opinion man
that, Like it's just I don't think GMing is what's gonna save this franchise
really. I mean, I mean, like there are moves and tweets to
be made to be sure. Yeah, but like you know, if you
only have it just still comes back to for me, if if sixty six
percent of your payroll plays thirty three percent of the games, you know,
I don't know. I don't know what Bob Myers is going to do for
that. You have everybody some lemon water. I don't know. Well,
I would say, if you can get Bob Mars while keeping Laurence Frake,
you do that. I don't know if that seems that seems like yeah,
so it's like two head GM guys. I just liked the idea of having
bigger having a bigger brain trust isn't a bad thing. If everyone's thinking the
same thing nobody's thinking. I think it's good to have some checks and balances.
Now, to be clear, Bob Myers didn't draft Steph Curry, he
didn't draft Clay Thompson. He did draft Raymond Green. He brought in Steve
Kerr, Andre Godala, Kevin Durant, Jordan Poole. He's made a lot
of great moves, but he wasn't the GM for the Splash Brothers. He
was the other understudy. Still, I think though, you know, he's
it's not just about the name. It's about what he's been able to accomplish
with the Golden State, the most recent dynasty in the NBA. So I
think if you have a chance to bring him in, you got to look
into that. I don't know if he's the panacea to Will's point, the
cure all for the Clippers. I don't think anyone person is. I could
see the nick name come and now the wheels are turning with Will. Let's
get big started here. You know I can't spell past. Yeah, I
was like, what isn't that? But somebody who's a cure all for this
Clippers team. I don't think it's any one person. I don't think it's
any one player. I think it's more about just a little bit of good
luck, some good fortune, some health. We're seeing that in these playoffs
there are two teams and conference finals appearances, or there was with the Lakers
being a seventh seed and the Miami Heat being the eighth seed. And I
said before the season, you know, no team has won a championship that
was outside the top three in the last thirty years, outside the Houston Rockets
back in ninety five and the Miami Heat are likely going to be in the
NBA Finals taking on the Denver Nuggets as an eighth seed. So the landscape
in the NBA has changed, and I guess my point is you gotta have
some good fortune along the way. Miami was almost bounced in the play in
tournament. They lost the first game to Atlanta and then won against the Chicago
bull So a lot of things have to go right. That's what we're hoping
is on the docket coming up for the Clippers this next season. You gotta
comment on the chat, Alan said, don't think Myers will retain Tye.
I mean it's possible. I just don't think that that's the GM's decision.
And I do think that if you're if you're Steve Bomber or whoever else in
the brain trust is making these decisions, if you're staring at the decision of
either getting rid of Lawrence Frank or getting rid of Tylu. Looking at the
body of work between the two guys so far, I don't know that Bob
Meyers fits into that equation. Yeah. Well, there's also talked too,
like the Tylu thing, which kind of goes into our next like rumor thing,
a little bit like he might be seeking an extension or something like that.
No one really asked about this and the questions where I thought that was
interesting. Where are you guys at Do you think that's real or do you
think that's maybe more his representation, which it's clutch. I'm not into the
whole like clutch conspiracy thing. They just want the most money for their guys,
which I don't think is that revolutionary an idea. Do you think with
all the openings that's just kind of posturing by them to see if the Clippers
would entertain an extension with Tie because he's got two more years left and then
it's whatever, So do you guys want Tie back? Adam? Do you
think this was just kind of posturing on ty Lou's representation front. I think
when you have a head coach that would have a job tomorrow if he wasn't
with the Clippers, that's someone you need to retain. Everyone else in the
NBA seems to know the worth of coach Lou. I think the Clippers do
as well, but you don't want to see him in a seven game series
on the other side of the court going against you. And for the shortcomings
and a lot of disgruntled members of Clipper Nation this season with how it went,
and there were a lot of negatives and a lot of downsides to how
this season went. I think the biggest strength ty Low has is in a
seven game series, he gives you the best chance to win. And so
I think you got to hold on too that guy no matter what. And
I don't know who you'd replace him with that would be better out there either.
What's your solution if you're moving on from him? Is Nick Nurse a
better coach? He's had a history with Kawhi Leonard, of course, but
I like coach lew in a seven game series over pretty much anyone. Eric
Spoelstra probably regarded as the best coach in the NBA right now. A little
bit of recency bias there, but he's been that good for a while.
Outside of that, Is he available? Are you busy right now? Well?
His understudying Dan Craig is on the coaching staff with the Clippers the defensive.
Do we think it's maybe something where he's got two years left? I'm
thinking the extension comes into play next year, right Like they see what they
can do with Kawai and PG, and you know, at least one more
time and then will You're not like, if that goes well, venue extend
them out because right now it matches up with their contracts. Yeah, I
don't know about this, Like I maybe this is the preamble to setting something
up for a potential extension. I would say, like this offseason, that
seems a little premature really from either side to either expect an extension with two
years remaining or to go ahead and extend one once again with those two years
remaining, just because I don't know how it all works out in a legal
or fiscal sense, like once you get those once they have another job,
blah blah blah blah blah. But it just get perspective in here's got to
do ten things move. I mean, things do move fast in the NBA.
So I but I think that you know, we talked about going in
this off season. I said I would be very surprised if Tylum wasn't on
the bench for this team next season. And I don't really see any of
this changing that. Um, I would be a little surprised if they did
the extension this early. It just doesn't doesn't really seem necessary. And um,
yeah, I don't know, But to Adam's point, I think that
for I know, a lot of people are kind of like over the tylu
sort of experience to a certain extent. Um. I just think like the
question that you have to ask yourself is like when you're looking in the field,
when you're like looking at the field of available people, because it's it's
not just about getting the guy out, you have to replace them with somebody.
Usually, Um, are you taking you know, in a in a
seven game series, are you taking one member of that field over tylu?
Um? Is that something that you would be one hundred percent comfortable with?
And I gotta be honest, I'm not really seeing it right now. And
um, you know, I haven't watched as much Raptors since Kui has been
gone. I mean they've you know, they've had their own issues roster construction
wise, blah blah blah blah blah blah uh and and on down the line.
But I think, I mean, just to make it, you know,
just just for Clippers fans, the doc Rivers firing, which came so
immediate, like, which came pretty both value pretty quickly, and by all
reports, you know, they were ready to announce that even sooner, it
seemed like from conversations than than when they when they did make the official announcement.
I think that was a situation where you could pretty you could, I
mean pretty objectively look at the field and say, I think I would be
fine with, you know, a couple of different candidates versus this guy,
if, if, if it comes to that in a seven game series,
and now the coach might hire Doc, which I hope happens. I hope
the Sun's hired Doc. Hunt. Please hire Doc. Hope you think the
locker rooms bad? Now, buck up, buddy. Yeah, I think
they end up going with Nick Nurse, who I do think is the best
available candidate out there with the least amount of baggage and drawbacks. But every
coach has their blind spot, every coach has their downside. It's just how
fatal is it. Do you want a guy who's better in the regular season
or better in the postseason. I think that's what the conclusion was between Doc
and somebody like ty Lou. You want more strategist in a seven game series.
And even though it was a frustrating regular season and ultimately injuries derailed things
again for them, felt like most of Clipper Nation believed if they were healthy,
they were going to bounce Phoenix in the first round. And I would
have loved have seen this kind against the Denver Nuggets, even with Jess Kawhi
Leonard, I think they were going to take down the Phoenix Suns. Yeah,
a couple more rumors and they'll get some questions. Apparently there's an NBA
insider who thinks that the Clippers would be a landing spot for Chris Paul.
We talked about this a bit on Twitter the other week. No one wants
this from the Clippers side, fandom wise, it seems I don't see how
Personally, I don't see how adding a guy who's gonna be maybe injured during
the regular season helps this particular era of the Clippers. There's I mean,
right, I feel like in the NBA there's like there's two extremes where ways
to read smoke signals, right, Like, in some instances, a lot
of smoke means yeah, there's probably fire, there's probably something to Marcus Morris,
to the Clippers exactly, and then there is the other opposite end where
it's like, oh wow, a lot of smoke must mean that nothing has
happening. Absolutely in this direction, and you know, we saw that as
recently as this season with Fred van Vleet, and you know, we we
kind of thought things were much closer than than maybe they really ever were.
Um, I would be absolutely shocked by this move. I just I'm not
I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing it makes too much money. Yeah,
I don't know how. I don't know how you even justify it contract
wise, To be perfectly honest with you, even if you're like that,
we could get a little bit more out of Chris Paul. I think,
you know, if you if you believe that this could be a better situation,
if you believe that he is, you know, the tone setter,
kind of regular, regular season guy, which maybe you can talk yourself into.
I don't know, but like just getting to the number I think is
going to prove to be just too difficult. The only way I'd see it
being feasible is it would include some combination of Marcus Morris Rocco and Eric Gordon
something like that, And Phoenix just wanted to unload CP three because they're having
a lot of turnover there, and DeAndre Ayton could get moved as well.
Maybe we'll talk about that in a little bit, but I wouldn't hate it
for the right price. But he's making thirty million dollars and he just turned
thirty eight, and he just had another injury riddled season, And guys who
are injury prone in their prime aren't magically getting healthier as they get older,
regardless of your diet and switching over to eating vegan style like CP three Iran.
I know a lot of people have soured over him since he took off
a Clipper jersey, with how things ended with some of the antics on the
court, with them going up against him in the twenty twenty one Western Conference
Finals and how that ended. But I think if he was on the Clippers
roster in a different role, in the right spot, and they're not able
to bring back Russell Westbrooks. See, this is how you talk yourself into
really bad brandy listeners or viewers. This is uh, this is this is
textbook gaslighting yourself. I'm just saying, there's there's always a certain amount of
conditions there that make a situation seem a little bit more. He's not that
he's not that bad. He'll be he'll be healthy with us, he'll be
addicted, he's addicted to go into the finals. Bro, Look, if
you're not giving up much at all to get Chris Paul, I think you'd
do it. If you're not really giving up anything, which that's impossible.
That's the trade that I put out there. If they're willing to just dump
them for salary, if they don't think highly of them anymore. I don't
think it's that crazy. I don't know. We'll see when we Man.
I hope we don't get Chris Paul so for this. This next rumor,
this also goes to my first question. There's a rumor that the Blazers want
in Elite small forward and are willing to move the number three pick and Anthony
Simons for it, noted one of will Updike's favorite guys, Anthony Simons.
Jesse Beer asked us, do you think the Clippers should explore Paul George to
Portland for the number three pick and Simons? Maybe the Clips then flip the
number three picks somewhere for another player. Let's start with the first part.
Do we think the Clippers should explore Paul George to Portland for the number three
pick? No? And Anthony Simons? No thinking no, No, Man
they'd have to add also, they also have to add had nerk it right
because of salary, Like it'd be nerk Simons and the number three picks.
So I mean, I guess, I guess I get the availability. Um,
these are just both two players that they don't align with where the like
where the Clippers are at right now. I mean, if if it's to
set up another move wherein you move Kawhi as well, then sure, I
mean that's a great that's a great start, that's a great base. Um,
you know, you still have to make salaries work, which his Simmons,
his Simmons extension kicked in, I'm not sure, but anyways, I
like, if everything else stays largely the same and that's the move, I
don't really see that that that in no way closers the like gets the Clippers
any closer to their coal. Yeah, he's at twenty four, So he's
at twenty four than twenty five point okay? And then yeah, so it
has kicked in, all right? Cool? Cool? Cool? Um,
so you still got to come up with another twelve yeah in salary with unless
it's a precursor to bigger move where they blow the whole thing up. It
doesn't make a lot of sense because if that's what happened gets you closer to
a championship, having Anfrey Simmons and whoever the number three pick becomes. The
number three pick is just not getting reps on this on this team as currently
constructed, Like they're not Google would, they can't find playing time for them,
Like there's just it's it doesn't make any damn sense to me, unless
unless it's unless it's the precursor to another move. Yeah, so what about
the idea that you move three for another player? But we don't have any
concu So you're just downrading and downgrading is what I'm saying. You're getting PG
and I'm taking the weird value. The worst player who's like younger is going
to have a lot of issues, you know, in their first real postseason
run, assuming the Clippers can even get that far with a with a nucleus
of that, and then you're gonna flip the number three pick, which is
worthless essentially after you've drafted it. I just ye, once again, it
just doesn't get us any closer. I like Anthony Simons a lot in the
right situation, but you mentioned his playoff experience. He's been in fifteen games
total, averaging five points per games. As good as he has looked offensively,
I think he averaged around twenty last year in efficient twenty, but he
doesn't offer a lot on the defensive end. You're going to have a steep
drop off there. Giving up Paul George on that side of the ball,
you're creating new problems and you're not getting any closer. You're getting further away
from winning a championship this season. As much as you want to say,
well, Paul George's injury prone, Kawhi's injury prone, and those are the
facts at this point. But at least with them, if they're available,
you have a chance. Anthony Simons could be available for all eighty two and
all the playoff games, and you're not winning. That's the truth. If
you're giving up Paul George to get him, you already know what your ceiling
is. So that's the difference right there to me, and I think he's
one of the better young players. He is has a ton of talent offensively,
but it's mostly one dimensional right now with just his scoring ability. He's
not a great playmaker and he can't do much on the defensive end. Yeah,
it's a it's a swing that I like you guys said, if we
if I guess we did this straight and then moved Kauai, then we're just
in full like rebuild Bode. Basically, we've just instituted like a really quick
rebuild boat with a coach who called me crazy. I don't think tylu wants
to coach a team that just traded away the guys that haven't really been available
since he's been there anyway for rookies. And what does this mean for Kauai
who wanted to play with Paul George If you're keeping Kawa is heartless. So
I don't and I don't mean that been a bad way. It's just how
big hear me out on this one. But his normal Powell an elite small
forward some set you could you could skew that you could do norm to norm
for fucking silence and the three. Yeah, call it in if it works
per the rules, call it in right now. I know Portland's had a
lot of turnover with the front office, but I think they're pretty familiar with
Norman Powell, and maybe that one gets lost in the shuffle. They're just
so busy. They're like, ah, sure, yeah, no, that
seems good. Who's this Robert Cummington guys, Yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, then they make an happen. I like that idea. Will Um
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Charles so thoughtfully put into the rundown, Thank you, Charles. X Mongo
Project wants to know if Boston falls, is anyone there a realistic if Boston
falls. X Mongo still believes, I don't know. Do you think I
think they're firing their coach before they trade anybody I agree they don't like for
the right price. It seems like Jalen Brown could be dangled at this point
if they lose in Game five at home, or lose poorly. Even that
just them extending in the series isn't gonna mask anything that's going on there.
I don't think they should if you have two guys that are still I think
both under twenty eight years of age, with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum at
the wings, like sixteen right, yeah, sixteen plus three he gets nineteen,
he's only nineteen. Yeah. If when you have two elite players at
that position, I would keep them together and stay the course and run it
back. But I could see them being in Boston in that big market.
They've won one championship I think over the last about forty years now in two
thousand and eight, they're growing impatient there. Would I would make a call
and see what's going on with Jalen Brown, the other guys. Grant Williams,
I know he fired up Jimmy Butler because that's the only way Jimmy Butler
would play really hard out there, because if he had some guy talking as
to him. But Grant Williams. I think we talked about him before.
He's gonna be an unrestricted free agent, so he's very much attainable this summer.
I don't know what price he's gonna be at, but he's someone who
plays bigger than his size. You know, he plays a wind. Lawrence
Frank or l Frank talk about it as a size up, can defend a
size up or a position up. He's someone that can do that. I
like him. Yeah. His so his qualifying offer would be eight point four
million, and I bet he can get a lot more than that. So
I wonder if the Clips can afford him. Um? Yeah, Jaylen Brown,
I think Marcus Smart would never come. I don't think we could get
Marcus Smart, but I would love him in a Clippers uniform. Um,
he'd be a nice clip to have. Will Do you think there's anyone from
Boston that's a realistic get Blake? Uh? If we got Al Horford,
I would get the jersey immediately. I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Horford goes, what does he bring? Yeah? Um? Uh like
as a realistic that those aren't parts that I'm really that interested in picking picking.
Uh, to be honest. Graham Williams. I think there's something there.
I think it's a little out of what we can afford to pay.
Yeah, I think that's fair. I agree with you there. Yeah.
How do you feel about Jaylen Brown if there was some type of trade available
with Paul George, A young Brown, a younger more beata Paul George,
I'll pass. Thanks, thanks, though that came out where god, oh
wow, even an even worse handle. You think turnovers are bad, Let's
tell you got Jalen Brown handling the ball, hurling the ball. I like
Jaylen Brown as a human being, and I like him as a piece like
I think that he you know, if Boston doesn't decide to move on to
him, which I think is maybe a knee jerk reaction to a team that
you know, you're just meeting a team that's really hitting their stride and went
through Yeah really really, They're like teams sometimes catch fire at the right time,
and that is happening right now for for the heat um and I you
know, I think that it would be maybe a little premature to make that
move. I think for where the Clippers are at right now and looking at
you know, hey, if they need to keep if they're going to try
to keep this nucleus intact. You know, there's obviously no way to get
Jalen Um, to get Jalen Brown moving, Paul George, I mean,
you're still gonna have to give up assets to make that work because the age
discrepancy. You're locked into a long term contract that's even more dollars per year.
I believe so. I yeah, that would be a that would be
a pass for me. I think he's due for an extension which could bring
him up to three hundred million dollar player. That's something he's been angling for
over this past season, and he's looked a little bit disgruntled over that.
Uh. I don't know. It's it's interesting. At least I like him
a lot as a player, and it just it increases your window because he's
the younger version. I guess if Paul George, if you want to put
it like that, that's true. M drift two to music asks should the
Clippers run it back by resigning Russ and Plum, make a big swing trade
at the draft, or tear it down assets why you can and start over
Cough, trade the third pick in Simon's Cough and then West choate had a
similar question, would it be so bad if we just ran it back?
Morris is the only question mark since he wasn't getting much run in the playoffs.
I'm gonna say, for the Drift t to Music thing, I don't
know if we can resign Russ. I don't know what a big swing trade
at the draft looks like. If I'm being honest, I don't know what
that looks like for the Clippers. So I think we have to do a
combination of a and then what West Choke said, which is run it back.
Morris isn't the only question mark. Though. We need to move Morris,
we need to move Roco, we need to move the tomb. Other
than that, hopefully we can resign Plumb. But the way that this front
office works, I think we're Clippers fan should be more prepared for that scenario
than for some draft night heroics, you know what I mean? Or like
messiness. I just don't see it becoming as mad because people maybe want it
to be this off season. Yeah, I don't think so. To Drift
to the Music's question, I like the b option of making a big swing
at the draft, I just don't I don't know that the same option because
I don't actually think that the last and so be like make a big,
big swing at the draft. I don't know that the Clippers are there yet.
I think if they're going to keep one of the superstars, I would
assume at least until the trade deadline that they keep both of them. I
think, once again, you can talk yourself into you know, haven't had
enough time healthy together, had like they've had one healthy postseason together UM and
circumstances beyond their control UM really sort of eroded that whole thing. So I
think I think that we're like the most realistic outcome is probably the run it
back. But I don't know that we can resign Russ and plum Um,
right. I like the idea of a big swing UM, you know,
I like the idea of shopping Paul George. I don't I don't supersede the
move right now that like a team is actually like willing to take on Um
for a player of the same caliber Um. I think that that's going to
be really difficult. So I think that so my version of running back doesn't
necessarily have to involve Russ and plum Um. I think it's just hard to
do. We just can't and I don't know. The thing that I keep
coming back to is the talent is still there. You just need to consolidate
and upgrade at a couple of things. So that to me is still basically
a run it back with just changing the supporting cast um, which is definitely
something that needs to happen. Uh, you know it's not gonna happen.
And I I like the idea of a teardown. I still think that maybe
it's premature just because of sort of like the bad taste if you're a GM
in your mouth like that you get of that you had from this season of
Kaway and Paul George. Like, I think people are a little less.
I don't think you're selling there at at your most leverage or advantageous position.
Yeah, if you're committed to still trying to win a championship in the two
one three era, then making a big swing, even if you're sacrificing more
draft picks the thirtieth this year, the twenty thirty first round pick, and
maybe Terrence Man to make the trade work that I can buy that that makes
sense to me if you're going after Bradley Beale or Karl Anthony Towns or Zach
Levine or Damian Lillard, even though it looks like they're doubling down and trying
to get him a better supporting cast, that those would be the guys that
I would guess are most available, that you know, realistically, big trades
and big moves could be made for But I like what Will said about consolidating
talent. I was against that coming into this season because I thought they would
use their depth more, but after seeing them not play Robert Covington and not
play some guys heavier minutes that could have used them, if they're not going
to do that, then you mind as well try to upgrade at positions and
death be damned, because the other situation with that is if you take away
some of their more veteran depth, then it forces you to have to play
younger guys and to get younger and Brandon Boston to get some minutes in a
mere coffee to get some minutes, and they hardly played at all last season,
And I think with the new cap restrictions that are out there, it's
more important than ever to have somewhat of a youth movement, to have guys
on cheaper contracts who are playable who you're able to get out there on the
court and get reps with and not have the wheels come off. Because you
know, Brandon Boston's one of the best G League players. There's something there
with him. I think at some point Rubbers gonna meet Road and they're gonna
have to play some of these young guys. But it would certainly expedite the
process if they traded away as some of the more veteran talent on this team
that adds that depth. I'm down for consolidating. I think it makes a
lot more sense. Now. We got asked kind of about consolidating resist ninety
respect offered up two options, Eton and Karl Anthony. Town's stock is low,
he said, for good reason. But we need a big man who
fits our team better after a consolidation trade. He also said that Jonathan Isaac
looks elite. He gets the injury risk, but he's young. He's one
of few who shown he can guard Yannis. Should we target him. I
think we all kind of feel the same way about Cat, don't we?
Or wait, Adam, do you like do you want Cat on the team?
Between Cat or Eton, who would you want the Clippers to make a
play for I guess I think Eton makes less money right now and probably is
a better fit overall. If you're not keeping a Vitza Zoobots and you're just
bringing in Carl Anthony Towns, I think that changes your team pretty dramatically because
he's not a great defender. Could he get better in that area? I
don't know what he's twenty seven years of age. He probably this is who
he is at this point. Deans are at eight and though his value is
so down expiring, Cat's on the last year of a five for one fifty
eight. So then you've got to make decision. If you trade for Kat,
you're gonna give him the max, which you wouldn't call it. If
we're giving Karl Athony Towns a max after like that, we're not gonna win
anything. And look, he's another good friend of PG thirteens. They brought
in Reggie Jackson, they brought in who else, John Wall, guys who
are friends with him. But probably that contract situation you just mentioned it makes
the decision a lot easier for me. DeAndre eight is more of a need.
We saw in that playoff series of Eats Zoobos just he didn't have a
good round. Yeah, yes, he's signed. I forgot. He signed
the four year, two hundred and twenty four million dollar contract that kicks in
twenty four, twenty five, So you're paying him fifty fifty four fifty eight
sixty two. If you were to sign trade for Karl Anthony Towns, that
just upbands the dynamic of your team so much too. Aside from the cap
situation, he's a stretch five type, a stretch four. Maybe he's a
stretch five who doesn't defend. Yeah, he's not a rent protector. That's
not who he's been. DeAndre Aighton would be the more seamless fit. And
I think whoever gets him next after his time emphasis on time in Phoenix with
kind of how he's been treated there and how things haven't worked out. Of
course, Molly Williams is on now, so maybe the next head coach gets
a better opportunity with DeAndre eten to see what he hid and bring out of
him. But he's eighteen and ten already without I think, being fully realized
and optimized and is someone who could be a great innings eater during the regular
season. You know when one of your stars or both of your stars are
out DeAndre Ayton could be eaten. He could be getting twenty five and twelve
type of games out there and just be really reliable in that way, as
much as we like to think about it, eats the zoobots and his potential
offensively, DeAndre Ayten's kind of there in a lot of different ways. For
his shortcomings and not playing up to his physicality level that he's capable of a
lot of the times, I do think there's more to him as a player,
and whoever gets him after Phoenix, he may light the world on fire
for a little bit because he's just away from the Suns and whatever is going
on there with conflicts and personality differences. Yeah, eight and on the clips
wouldn't be bad. I mean, you put him if we creep in Kawai
and pg NU scenario, the defense is pretty nice. Um for that for
those three. Um Any thoughts on Jonathan Isaac Oh, I didn't get my
thoughts thoughts. We know you hate Karl Anthony town which is totally Yeah.
We we talked to we we took we talked a bunch about Karl Anthony Towns.
After he was on the podcast P podcast by Paul George um and Uh,
yeah, that's just not he's not my he's not my kind of guy.
I don't think that that really, I don't think that that really helps
helps the team. Um. I guess maybe if you in a scenario where
you still keep PG and Kawhi, like I still I don't know. I'm
just not seeing that as a fit. It's so much money. I'm just
not um for eight in in the a world where a cap doesn't exist and
we don't have to give up either one of Paul George or Kauai. I
kind of love it. I kind of like, right, I love it,
Um, I love but that's just not the situation. There's no way
we can get to that fifty million dollars a year or whatever number. And
like, looking at it, for fifty million dollars a year, is he
five times better than a Vitza zubots. I mean, he's kind of been
benched in the playoffs now in back to in back to back runs for his
team, So I don't know. He also like demands the ball a lot.
He kind of you know, he gets pouty when he's not involved in
the Yeah, he's not a quiet center. Yeah, And I think I
think that that could present issues. Um, and just that's just an astronomical
amount of money, if you may, if you still have like Paul George
and Kauhi, like I, how much is Aton making? How much?
How much longer is his deal? They just gave it to him this last
summer. He just got on that, but just below max deal. It's
like thirty two mil next year, thirty four the year after, thirty five
and a half the year after that. Okay, so less than I said,
so three three of zasz basses, Yeah, not five. I just
got a feeling with him as much as he could seem like a malcontent.
Now there's been a lot of issues there in Phoenix. I think, well,
you're you're absolutely right, and they and they drug their feed on that
extension. They really handled that. Yeah, they had the absolute poorest of
ways. Um And I think, you know, I think part of that
was just the discontent from you know, he's never gonna be able to shake
off the stink with that franchise, from that draft and knowing you know what
was right there for you. Um. And that's not his fault, that's
not on him. There's there's nothing he can do about that. But I
I mean that that kind of thing stays with a guy I think, and
I think that that does kind of perm and um, I mean, you
know, I'm sure he's heard stuff from fans and all sorts of stuff talking
about Jonathan Isaac though, man, the guy has played forty five games in
the last four years. Yeah, I don't. And I also don't know
if he's looked elite. I also know Jonathan Isaaki is a good player.
Yeah he I don't know if he looks elite. He's a great defender.
But I also like he's one of the few who shown he can guardian Us.
I don't care who can guard Yannis when it comes to adding guys to
the Clippers, I don't Why would I care about that? Yeah, if
he can, well sure, But like I don't, and I get Jonathan
Isaac. He's also Jonathan Isaac off court brings your team some annoying stuff.
For those of you who have kept up with it, he's not. He's
a guy who brings stuff to the team outside of the court that I don't
think the Clippers want. Yeah, maybe he'll convert to the Church of Scientology
and become like a huge movie star. That would be sick. Good for
him, he had a lot of commercials lately. Yeah, if you think
you know about scientology, I'm pretty sure, But yeah I don't. I
don't think they want a Fox News pundit on the team. Timmy Kang asks,
do you think the answer to our athleticism at the four is putting Kawai
there? Since our defense is so switch heavy, you wouldn't have to always
guard the four and give me switched onto a three for possessions to ease the
load. We've talked about this a little bit. Um. Yeah, I
don't think it matters. I don't think it matters. Theoretically we should be
switching a bunch of stuff anyway, But in crunch time, he's gonna guard
whoever's the best player that night for the other team. I think it matters
to a point. I'm just not sure which position actually would be more beneficial
when it comes to keeping Kawhi healthy. Is it less physical to move less
but have to bang in the post versus being on the perimeter and moving a
little bit more play against smaller guys. I'm not sure you had the stat.
I think thirty percent of the time last season was it around there?
Chuck that he played Yeah, yeah, for the position tracking data, which
which is weird, Yeah, could be a little bit skewed. I heard
big shot Bob Plum Robert Flum on the Lab the Jam the Pod made a
good point that one of the advantages the Clippers have had with Kawai at the
two and Paul George at the three is that they're big for those positions.
That the difference is when he's at the four, now he's small for that
position, Like they're they're taking away some of those advantages of having them being
bigger players at the two and the three. If all of a sudden thing,
Kawhi is playing the four more and she's just kind of like Lebron,
you know, like Lebron essentially shifted down in position, like as you get
older and a little less mobile. I mean, I'm of the opinion that
I I think it's a little bit just a number. I think you just
need to have the most quality, unless, of course we're talking about three,
four, five guards um. But I yeah, I also think that
that's one of those easy adjustments. Like you cansolidate talent, you get us,
you still have to trade those guys out too, Like It's not like
if COWI moved to the four that like Yoko, Morris and Nico all of
a sudden become totally fine and playable in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah,
So, I mean, if you can trim some of the fat, get
your best players on the floor as often as possible, you know, insert
Terrence at the two. If Russ stays um, you know, kind of
shift a little bit. I think that that is one of those things that
if you're looking at not making a big swing, that has to be on
your mind. You have to say, you know, like, how can
we tweak this around the margins? How can we um, you know,
better utilize what we've already got, because it seems like, for whatever reason,
in year what next year will be year five, they're still kind of
at the drawing board with it a little bit. Yeah, they got to
improve internally, regardless of who the you know, if the big pieces are
still there on the roster, regardless of what little moves they make this summer,
they have to get better clips or die. Says Moosa at the floors.
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We got a couple more questions here. DJF Primal shout out. DJF
Primal, longtime listener wants to note, very bluntly, how are the Clippers
going to screw up their draft pick this year? The Clippers have the thirtieth
and forty eighth pick. It is not even possible, man, not exactly
lighting it up. Well, the fact that they already traded back to that
count is I don't know, man. So for those of you who don't
know, I did fifteen minutes of draft research and the Clippers and who they've
talked to us. Light star Yamie Jack has has been mocked to the Clippers
a bunch of times. People. That's kind of where he's gonna get drafted.
They think he's in La Chimie Hawk is right? Yeah, sorry,
why did not take Himie Hawk? As that makes sense. They've also have
plans to work out or have talked to Craig Porter Junior, a multi year
point guard out of which Tas State who's a streaky shooter. But does the
little things well, very very much a Clippers draft pick. It feels like
Jordan Hawkins from Yukon met with the Clippers. This was from the draft profile
I read. He's one of the better three point shooters in this draft class
and is the best movement shooter. He's eliteic coming off streams, catching and
firing lasers from deep. He can handle his own defensively. Projected to be
a lottery to mid round first pick, though I'm not sure he'd be there.
And then Grant, how's this guy falling to the Clippers. He's thirty
yeah, yeah, And then Grant Nelson had a meeting with the Clippers.
How if you guys saw this guy? He went kind of viral. He
goes to NDSU. He's like six eleven and just has like crazy handle and
can score it all three levels. Like you watch these highlights and it's like
a guy who you're like, you maybe could have gone to a better school.
Um feels like a projected late first or early second round pick. It
feels kind of like a guy the Clippers would take. He's a six eleven
guy who can handle. His highlights are pretty I'm fine with it, dude,
bring more. Uh yeah, people from the middle, you know,
from Montana and North Kota states like that. Um well, I don't know
about that, but how are they going, Well, not North Dakota,
but how are they going to screw it up at him by not trading the
pick. If you're in win now mode, that is an asset. Use
it to get a guy who's more ready to play. Now. I understand
the thought of you want to take advantage when you do have first round picks
currently, but they already correct me if I'm wrong. This was gonna be
pick eighteen, but after the three way trade with Memphis and Houston to get
Eric Gordon in a couple of second round picks, they got bumped back to
pick number thirty. So I don't think they necessarily value picks is much now
in the two one three era because it's a championship or bus season every single
year, and this is gonna be year five. So if somebody else really
covers that thirtieth pick and they're trying to get a young player, they can
mold when it's such a craft shoot in the draft. And I have looked
this up and done the research before, but from two thousand and six to
twenty sixteen, you had about a five percent chance of drafting an All Star.
That's a ten year period. Six hundred players drafted, about five percent
of them became All Stars. Even if you're taking a top ten guy,
less than twenty five percent of them became All Stars in a ten year period.
It's so difficult to draft. So whenever people go after the Clippers and
how many guys they have missed on, it's like everybody is missing all the
time. Again, if you're hitting three hundred, like at the plate in
baseball, that's pretty good in the draft, you would sign up for that.
And we just mentioned a guy who we all like in Musadiabat, And
then you bring up Terrence Man who was drafted late, or a mere coffee
Brandon Boston like they've they've gotten some some value later in draft before, so
those second round picks could be put to use. Here's four guys they get,
the second coming to Terrence Man, they get, they get Terrence Man
too, T two the best terminator and he sits on the bench. He
sits on the bench. Kawai and Paul George both go down for extended stretches.
He sees no increase in minutes. That's just how they do a nightmare
of that. I that I'm all too familiar with the blueprint many they got,
they know how to do it. They drafted the guy. They don't
know how Polly was. Um, all right, everyone go watch those highlights.
Watch the Grant Nelson highlights I put in the chat. If you're watching
us on YouTube, it's fun to watch. Um. Then Chenny John Nelson
celebration. That's pretty funny. Yeah, there's a clipping him grabbing the wrap
and going, oh, it's a tech. Oh, it's a tech And
it's just kind of in the full Nelson. All right, last serious question
before a break, and then we talk about some disturbing activity on the Clippers
subreddit. Um, Chenny John wants to know with so many front office available
talent um, former Finals head coaches, even Bob Myers, do we want
to add anyone to the front office or should we just chill? As right
now, it's Lawrence Frank, Trent Redden, and Mark Hughes. Trent Redden's
a talent guy. Mark Hughes came up from coaching. Should we just be
funny at like, let's just chill for a second, right If it's not
an either or situation. I don't think there's any harm in adding someone to
the front office. They bring their rolodex, they have all these contacts,
they have relationships with. I assume they bring over a physical role of dad
because they're old old How old is this GM that we're adding? Are we
adding like Bob Myers is young? Yeah, so it's not Bob Meyers,
it's his dad and his work with Jerry West already. Oh yeah, I
think that it could. I think that it could work out. I still
think there probably needs to be a clear pecking order, but that's for that's
for the ORG chart to decide, not for me. The ORG chart.
God, I hate the ORG chart. Adam. We know you. You.
Adam wants to add any uh person with a pulse who has seen a
basketball court to the front office because I think Bob Meyers would be a good
ad. That means that at just anybody, No mom off the street?
Yeah, who's the old Nets and Sixers guy, Billy King? Was it?
No, I don't want anybody. I don't know. There's been a
lot of bad gm z of the years, but Bob retirement, yeah,
you know what was onto some things? Guys. Yeah, I really had
it all figured out, all right? Coming up? Oh go ahead,
Adam, Sorry, No, I'm interested in Bob Myers. They can get
him and there's not much downside. Like Will was saying, if nobody else
has taken out because of it, great, If not, you promote Trent
Reddin or Mark Hughson GM love it. Nothing wrong with that bringing Trent Resin,
great soundtrack. I'm in what dude? What if? How? What
about this idea? This is a stupid idea? Uh you high? Why
don't teams hire like a producer night like a producer to be like, all
right, you pick the sound for the nights like Tonight's game, like the
soundscape, so like Trent Resin around the keys, like doing the like uh
like the let's go a clip or what with like really dark tones or something
like that. I'm into this idea. This is a good idea. DJ
Mustard night at the clip from track from Gone Girl. Yeah, that would
rip, dude. All right, Coming up, we have a lot of
drone, Yeah, a lot of drone coming up. We have one more
bonus question than we're talking a Clippers subread up behavior which has been all over
the place lately. But first there's some ads. If they've been too loud
for you, go ahead and turn it down. We're talking a goofy question
and then disturbing behavior coming up in three two one Welcome back in Clips and
DIMP episode one forty nine. Is that what I heard earlier? Is it
one ninety nine? I'm Adam Oslin. We got Chuck Mochler will up deck
and hopefully you guys are watching us live YouTube live. We do them all
the time now during the off season, we try try to figure out how
to expand our platform and use different ways to reach out to you guys if
you want to get to us at Clippers pod later on on Twitter and at
Clippers podcast on the YouTube. Before we get to a question and that was
directed at me, what's this more serious one here? Chuck? Oh yeah,
So someone on the Clippers subredd at clippers dot com, slash r slash
La Clippers is catching birds and naming them after Clippers players. They've caught three
small birds. They've named them kawhipg in uh Terrence man, very weird.
I'm not entirely sure how they're getting the birds. Um, where are we
at on? This behavior is this normal offseason behaviors would be concerned for Clippers
fans. What are we thinking? A little unhinged? I think I think
birds are more meant to be observed and enjoyed. I'm with it. One
of them is real small, one of them is pretty, like a nice
blue one. But they have the caption paint in the ass to catch.
Don't don't catch the bird. The bird doesn't want to be caught. Yeah,
like, what are we also? You could get sick? You're just
catching birds, guys. I caught this huge condor. It's the real chuck
the condor. Yeah when when? When? If they got if I see
him with a metal sheath and then a condor on it, I'll be on
board with this. What insane hobbies are you guys gonna pick up this offseason
to compare with catching live birds? This is so weird, Adam, what
are you gonna start doing? Um? Yeah, I already had weird hobbies
before its Clippers season. I think I've kicked that to the curve. Finally.
Uh eat healthier that that's gonna be a weird hobby. It's not as
easy as you would think. I stopped drinking to be healthier, but all
it's given me was a damn sweet tooth. And I'm ordering Ben and Jerry's
Nightly off a door dash. It costs like twenty five bucks for that little
pipe. God, thank god you don't smoke weed. That'd be a nightmare.
Will what is your what is your terror fine behavior? I don't know.
I keep I keep threatening that I'm gonna grow mushrooms in my house,
like mushrooms, not even psych delic mushrooms, like just food mushrooms. It's
like, I don't know how that's weird. I don't know how familiar you
are. But they're like pretty expensive at the farmer's market, Like a little
container is like twenty bucks, and they're delightful. I love them so much.
But uh, I think that'd be it's it's that's kind of an unhandished
behavior to cultivate a bunch of mushrooms. I think in your in your apartment.
Would it make your apartment smell a bit? I don't know. I
would assume it would have smell kind of earthy. Yeah, not a bad
smell. Um No, that's a good one. I was threatening to get
um a goat the other day. I think getting a goat makes a lot
of sense for my life. Right now, we have some green space.
They eat trash. Oh why not? Every year? I threatened to get
horrifyingly into Gundams like just I haven't quite pulled the trigger on it yet,
but hey man, another another Clipper season like this last one? This might
be a gumpa pod. Oh another Clipper season like this one. I'm posting
the birds that I've caught on this Clipper subreddit is what I'm doing. And
I'm naming them after old gms is what I want to do. I am
dangerously close to collecting Transformers figurines because I follow people who collect them on Twitter
and envious at times. I want to rot him as Prime. I don't
even know. Is that different from Optimus Prime. Yeah, he's the one
in the movie where they swear from nineteen eighty six and children ran out screaming
because they killed Offtimus Prime in it. Oh shit, well that sounds pretty
rad actually, all right. Shout out to the person who's been catching those
birds, please wash your hands. Bonus question This is from Chenny John.
Shout out Jenny John. He said, how does follow Adam a keep an
off season radio voice? Shape karaoke, Pee League commentary, organic gargo Wash,
Adam. The people want to know, how do you stay it in
such good radio voice shape? I don't think I do. Honestly, I
can lose my voice pretty easily. Maybe I should start gargling glass like the
lead singer from Cannibal Corps or something like that. I should hang weights from
my uh from my throat or something. I don't know. I like where
this is going. I'll tell you one thing. I'm not the throatgoat,
Guys, I'm not okay, hardly am able to keep a voice throughout the
entire Clipper of season. What what else could that mean? I don't stop
what throat means? When I'm happy you don't identify as the throat goat?
Um? Will do you have any off? Yep? If you're on my
if you're you're learning a lot right now. Maybe if we had patron,
we do a bonus of a episode explaining why Adam's name is not Nancy,
Um anything else we want to get out before we uh send these Clipper Faithful
on their way not Nancy or Will. Is there a way to celebrate the
Lakers getting swept without having a bunch of fans saying rent free, rent free.
It's like, look at that. You come after me all the time,
Like, of course I'm thinking about you guys. Hey man, they
won that state championship. They played against the Warriors. You know that's a
good point. They cut the nets and everything. Yeah, that was such
a bad omen. That was like it was so bad, Like, oh,
let's do a T shirt idea that no team has ever done before.
That t shirt has never existed a professionals team at any league to be like
we're the state champs. Like, that's not how this ship. I mean,
you talk about the Pack Div champs all the time. They'll chop its.
Got that far off. Pac Div makes a whole lot of sense.
Don't come at me about the Pac Div. Don't come at me about the
Pac Div. I will die for this division play. Austin's asking me how
they can make the regular season adamore, and I was like, let's make
divisional play me in something you said, sir, can I block out forty
five minutes at the end of the day to go over this. We should
make a power point that we can just send to people on Twitter when they
ask how to make it, just like a twelve slide thing of why division
play should be more important. Do we want to say, all right,
well, where can these people find us? We're on YouTube right now at
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You could be catching birds and you're gonna want to stay in for that.
You could be growing mushrooms. We don't know. We're gonna be back next
week, maybe with a guest. We'll get it figured out, probably on
Wednesday, something like that. Um oh yeah, RPT to Turner, shout
out ta Turner, Yeah, Turner. We'll be back next week for y'all
as always. Hey, let's go clips, Let's go Clips.