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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is a UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomena. Here're your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Hello,
Alejandro Rojas with Open mind Radio, your

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UFO news authority. And today we
have a superb show. Just the words

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superb today because it is. It's
great. We've got Don Schmidt. You

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may have remembered we had him over
a year ago, and I barely remember

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it because I was really sick and
I felt like I was battling the whole

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time. But I listened to it
and I didn't do as bad as I

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thought. I could tell in my
voice and I can see myself kind of

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being out of it, but I
wasn't so much. And also, oh,

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I should point out for those of
watching, you may notice that we

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already have Jason on the set there. It was by there were a lot

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of women who emailed us and said
you need to have Jason on longer,

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and they wanted to take a look
at him for a longer period on the

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show, including the Raiders cheerleaders.
So we said, okay, you know,

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how can he tell the Raiders cheerleaders
know, so now they can see

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Jason longer. Don Schmidt though,
we're gonna have on the show. Like

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I mentioned earlier, some of the
things, well, he told us a

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little bit about this, but how
his mentor was Jay Allen Heinik, who

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was an astronomer who helped with Close
Encounters. He was an advisor for that

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movie and he had a little cameo
appearance in there, and so he's been

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in this for a long time.
He was a Roswell skeptic, but then

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you know, started researching Roswell and
to his surprise, he've just found tons

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and tons of witnesses and he became
one of the main Roswell researchers. He

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wrote a book in nineteen ninety and
then also helped with Paul David's movie which

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I'm always raving about, the Roswell
movie for Showtime, which you can read

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about all of this, and the
latest issue of Open Minds magazine, which

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should be on the shelves at the
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which is like the big Cheese the
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That's pretty cool, so go check
that out. We're also going to

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talk about some things you might not
have heard about, such as Lewis Ferricon

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had a UFO conference. He had
a UFO portion at a recent conference,

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and it was going at the same
time as the UFO Congress which we held,

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and Don went back and forth to
attend both. So he's going to

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talk about that. We're going to
talk about some other conferences and things that

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have happened in the area, including
a conference that Antonio Juneez and Michael Shratt

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will be speaking at, which is
in Kingman, Arizona. It's the first

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annual Kingmen Conference and that's May sixth
through the ninth this weekend. The website

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is Arizona ufosdings dot com. If
you want to look up more, Don

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and I will talk about that and
I will repeat that you are all again

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later, so have your pens and
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Paranormal RPTR where we put up all
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of the cool stories we put up
on a nearly daily basis are UFO headlines

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from around the world because there's lots
going on when it comes to UFOs on

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a week and it's just mind boggling. And to help us out with that,

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we bring in our news correspondent Jason
McClelland Jason, why didn't you tell

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us about the latest UFO news?
Buddy greeting Zalajandro and hello everyone, This

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is your Open Minds news brief for
Monday, May two, twenty eleven.

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The Sun published an article last week
about Hitler's plan to build a fleet of

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UFOs during World War Two. This
article points to evidence that suggests an SS

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officer by the name of Hans Kamler
achieved significant breakthroughs in anti gravity technology towards

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the end of the war, which
supposedly led to UFO development projects. The

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Sun's article references the German magazine PM, which published a report last year professing

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to have strong evidence supporting the claim
of an advanced Nazi UFO program. The

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magazine reportedly quoted witnesses who saw a
flying saucer marked with the German iron cross

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flying low over the Thames in nineteen
forty four. According to The Sun,

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Joseph Andreas e f, an engineer
who served as a consultant to a not

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the UFO project, claimed fifteen prototypes
were built, but Martin Staide, who

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is an author of a book on
an area where UFO projects supposedly took place,

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claims one hundred and seventy four flying
saucers were developed at the site.

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Wow, that's kind of crazy.
And this is you know, for UFO

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researchers, and of course you and
I this isn't new news. This is

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information that's been out and our own
Michael Schratt has talked about the Nazi involvement

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with UFO research. But The Sun
and some other media outlets have done stories

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on this lately, and I suspect
it's due to and we've talked about it

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on the show, and we've certainly
mentioned it on Openminds dot tv, our

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website. But there's a movie coming
out next year called Iron Sky. They

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supposedly supposedly they've been working on it
forever, but it is a comedy and

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supposedly the premise of the movie is
that the Nazis after World War Two,

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sent UFOs to the Moon to develop
a base there so they could get ready

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to attack us from the Moon.
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is always bombastic and sensationalistic. Antonio
actually went and looked at that story on

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the German magazine. He says they
don't have strong evidence at all. They

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take a skeptical standpoint and they discuss
the issue, but they do not personally

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purport to have strong evidence to show
this. So the Sun definitely blew that

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out of proportion, which is nothing
new for the Sun. Well, and

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a lot of that particular article was
also sort of pushing the guy's book that

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what was his name, Martin stade
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UFO projects, the not the UFO
projects. Yeah, yeah, it seems

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like they were working on step.
I don't know if they actually built something,

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but built something. I said built
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Bell there, That's what I'm saying, And because the Bell project is the

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one that Michael talked about, which
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build. Yeah, he actually talked
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Wait to go, Michael. In
other news, a new book about the

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search for extraterrestrial life was released last
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Kaufman explains on his website Habitable Zones. Scientists by the thousands around the

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world are engaged in a broad and
increasingly successful search for the origins of life

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on Earth and for traces of life
elsewhere in our universe. My book seeks

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to bring out bring to life the
science and some of the scientists at the

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center of the effort. A Washington
Post colleague Joel Achenbach recently interviewed Kaufman about

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his new book titled First Contact Scientific
Breakthroughs in the Hunt for Life Beyond Earth.

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In the interview, Kaufman briefly discussed
the STEADI the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence,

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stating that he has quote never been
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knowledgeable person about SETI. He explains
that after walking through a SETI telescope array,

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he came to the conclusion that,
quote, if we're in fact interested

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in trying to learn whether technologically evolved
life exists out there, we don't have

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many alternative alternatives to Setti's current approach. However, he still feels that the

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SETI approach to searching for extraterrestrial life
is quote mostly a crapshoot. SETI made

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headlines last week following the announcement that, due to budgetary cutbacks, the Institute

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was forced to suspend operations at their
Allan telescope array. Kaufman's book, First

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Contact Scientific Breakthroughs in the Hunt for
Life Beyond Earth was published by Simon and

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Schusler and is in stores now.
Great. Yeah, sounds interesting, sounds

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like an interesting read astrobiological. A
lot of these astrobiology books coming out written

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by these astrobiologists kind of bague on
the et subject. You know, they

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definitely like to have it in the
title and mention it because it's sexy and

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it creates a lot of interest.
But many of them, their point is

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is that they feel strongly about microbes
and things out there, and that's pretty

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much it. Yeah, there's so
many right now possibilities that are presenting themselves

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that a lot of people are taking
different kind of approaches, but usually around

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them. But this book I like
the sound of it because it sounds like

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just an overview, a general overview
of the players right now, the astrobiologists

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out there in what each of them
is doing, the approaches they're taking.

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Oh interesting, Yeah, so that
sounds like a better approach because I know

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you and I every week we talk
about these different astrobiologists and different scientists with

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these far out theories, you know, crazy statements. They're just these leaps

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they're making all for the sake of
a paper, and that's pretty much it.

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Kind of far out there with no
basis. This, however, seems

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a little more safe because it's just
an overview of what others are doing.

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Yeah, I'm more journalistic, right, give exact idea what's going. And

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that's the thing. I don't believe
this guy is a scientist. He is

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a writer, that's what he is. So he's a journalist and I think

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that's the approach of his book,
and I think it's a good way to

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go. Wait to go, buddy. Oh yeah. Well. On April

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twenty first, the National Security Agency
posted documents from their Technical journal, and

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in these documents were actually some articles
about extraterrestrials. One of these articles was

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titled Key to the Extraterrestrial Messages,
which led some to assume that these documents

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were pertaining to messages received from extraterrestrials, when in fact, these documents were

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actually related to exercises the NFA conducted
for practicing deciphering coded messages that extraterrestrials may

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send us in the future. Nalejandra, you wrote an interesting article about this

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on our website. Yeah, a
lot of confusion there. And I go

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back because if you're like, hey, man, you know those documents were

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called extraterrestrial messages. How can they
be just exercises? But if you go

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read our story, I show you
exactly how, because it is very evident

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when you look at the introduction of
these articles, and they all stem back

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to one particular article by a gentleman
named Kalamejos who was a cryptologist, famous

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cryptologist for the NSSAY, and he
started off with his document about kind of

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about the beginning of when they were
thinking about doing STEADI type stuff. He

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talked about Frank Drake and his stuff, and this was in the late sixties

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and it was all brand new then, and it was kind of funny because

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he has this passage in there about
how some of these scientists are because of

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Frank Drake and other people's works,
because there were other people doing this stuff

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trying to figure out how many extraterrestrial
civilizations there are out there, and they

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figured probably a lot. So they
started to bat around the idea of listening

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to signals to listen to extra treasturills. But it's kind of funny because in

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this article, this NSA article that
Kella Mahos wrote, he even wrote how

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the issue is that we have a
little bit of knowledge about a certain type

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of technology, but there's a huge
array of possible technology that may be used

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for communication across the stars, and
we only know a fraction, we've only

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mastered a fraction. So it's probably
might not be the best way, because

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if they're using any of these myriad
of other technologies that we're aware of,

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let alone technologies we're not aware of, it might not be the best approach.

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And that's the thing is that we're
listening, you know, using our

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radios and stuff. You know what. Let's say they wouldn't fly over and

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just use a regular radio line or
television signal with a prob or something.

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I mean, if they want to
get a message to us, they're going

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to get a message to us.
Not only that, he pointed out the

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difference that even if at this civilization
is fifty years more technical than we are,

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think of how where we work fifty
years ago. That's a huge difference.

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Let alone it's our five hundred five
thousand or anything like that. So

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it's kind of cool some of the
things he talks about. It's an interesting

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read, and it's a short document, and then he gets into some exercises.

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Because he was a teacher on how
to decipher extraterrestrial messages, and he

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proposes some exercises, and then other
people did, and that's what people thought

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were these message, these extraterrestrial documents. But he does have another one out

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there called UFO Hypothesis, where he
argues why it's really important, given the

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UFO sidings that they're having and the
credible people that are having them. When

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he wrote this document in the late
sixties, why it's real important that science

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and the NSA take UFOs and extraterrestrial
visitations seriously. He was really into the

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topic and he was one of the
founding fathers of cryptology in the NSA.

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So I'm glad you wrote the article
on it, because you're You're absolutely right.

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There was definitely a story there.
It's not the story that many people

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were running with, but it's not
disclosure like some people thought it might be,

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which but it is still some really
interesting staff. Yeah. And I

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know you actively search on Twitter for
extraterrestrial messages. Yeah, and I found,

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in fact, the majority of messages
are difficult to decipher and maybe extraterrestrial

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in origin. That's right, I
can't prove otherwise. It's a lot of

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strange stuff on Twitter. Yeah,
well, Alejandro, I know you and

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I are big fans of the moon. We both really want to go to

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the Moon. Well, the moon
rocks. Every week we seem to get

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more options. This one gets us
a little closer. It doesn't quite get

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us to the moon. But Space
Adventures, a private space exploration company,

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recently announced plans to offer trips around
the Moon to space tourists. Passengers willing

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to pay the one hundred and fifty
million dollar ticket price would launch into space

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aboard a three seat spacecraft. Upon
reaching space, the craft would rendezvous with

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a waiting unmanned rocket that would take
the spacecraft the rest of the way to

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the Moon, where the Moon would
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miles. According to Popular Science,
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around the Moon within the next five
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Within five years. How cool is
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five years after that the price will
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Yeah, fifty dollars special, fifty
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you know Southwest. You can get
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or you know, think as the
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oh yeah, going around the moon. Excellent, that would be so

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awesome. That's amazing. And what
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of space travel actually makes things move
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yet. We've we've got lots of
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NASA, of course, was pretty
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very similar to what they used to
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so they've kind of taken a step
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excited to see all this. It's
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this all the time. It's great. And I think with all these private

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companies taking the lead and doing all
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going to open lots of doors.
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fire around the dark side and maybe
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can wave look at the aliens.
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dark side of the moon. Yeah, not the fake one that they portray

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in the next Transformers movie. Oh
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some strange lights on video over the
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The witness, Michael Lee Hill,
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video provides the first clear images of
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over Lake Erie. The lights vary
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flashing or blinking. At times,
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sky, while at other times the
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in different directions. Hill says he
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long time. According to Fox eight, a group that previously researched the strange

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lights over Lake Erie concluded that they
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Hopkins International Airport told Fox eight that
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off and land over the water.
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to his latest video as evidence.
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the Canadian the US Coast Guard contacted
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Coast Guard came back with a response
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and in just the right light,
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in Canada and they're from radio towers
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for these lights because if you watch
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the sky, too high for a
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at the video, you know,
you just there was a steal from the

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video on the video. If people
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you're not, remember go to Open
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of these stories and there's links to
the video. But you're right. I

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mean, I remember it was move
On. There was a big craze that

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there were UFOs over Eerie. People
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can see them every night. And
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majority of what people were seeing were
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over Lake Erie. And I think
they were right for those people saying they're

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coming every night, and they didn't
say for sure, this is the answer

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for everything. And plus they didn't
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only just released his video this week, even though he's been getting them for

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a while, so I don't know. His video does look a little different.

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It does look like some lights maybe
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it's not going to show much of
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cloudy conditions like they were. They
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So it's hard to say. You'd
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you know, the times of days
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the move On guys were able to
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that, you know, some of
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were in the area. So I
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because I've seen other video that's really
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is going on over Lake Erie,
because there's been I don't think you could

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fool everybody, you know. I
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there looking at these lights who are
like wow, you know, I really

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don't think they would be happy if
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But like you said, a lot
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air planes commercial jets ten thousand feet
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tower on the ground. Kind of
a ridiculous explanation, at least for that

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video. That video obviously is not
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the lights are too high in the
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video, you know, some of
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be unknown, because some appear to
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of people who witness these lights on
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here all our lives. We see
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know the difference between airplane traffic and
these strange lights, right, So something

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strange going on. Yeah, something
eerie over Lake Erie. I'm sure that

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headline has been used. Yeah,
I've read it, but everything all the

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time. I'll give you the credit
eerie light Lake Erie. Let's talk about

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crop circles. The crop circle was
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of oil seed rape near Chepstow in
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of two hundred and twenty feet.
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about the crop circle, however,
and claims the damage to his crops is

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going to cost him more than one
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to the crop circle, this farmer
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to catch any crop circle makers in
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serious. Well, you remember in
Aliens where they had those moved like a

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movement detector laser cannon r FO time. I wonder if they mounted some of

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those babies out there, what would
happen entertainment. Yeah, well they might

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be able to if crop circles were
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You know, that proves there's something
crazy going on. Oh yeah, well

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it's cool. This guy has this
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more of the farmers don't have them, because they would have something interesting on

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you everybody did. They would catch
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but they may catch some more orbs
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a real famous one that's fake,
but people have caught a lot of very

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interesting ORB videos right in that area. And I think, I don't know

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if I talked about this last week, and we're going to have Nancy Talbot

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on in a couple of weeks,
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I don't believe you talked about it
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was able to demonstrate that there was
some actual burning in a crop circle,

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because she says people have claimed there
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case that she's seen, it's turned
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is black and not actual burning.
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show that there was actual burning in
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one in these hauland crop circles having
to do with Robert Vandenbroke, who will

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have on uh, you know,
we'll talk about the details, but they're

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getting more elaborate and very interesting and
extraterrestrials. I don't know if they don't

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know or they don't care, but
it's kind of unfair to these farmers to

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destroy their crops. Yeah, but
what they're doing could be more important if

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they're or if they're interdimensional, whatever
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plus it's not our crops. You
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as I doubt they honor deeds and
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probably think, you know, hey, this crop's mine too, buddy.

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be like a message I love you
message and it's like, but mister farmer,

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I love you awesome, but they
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decipher. Yeah, I know.
Then it would be okay, go oh

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they love me. It's okay.
I don't care about that thousand dollars.

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Yeah pounds, No, it was
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I converted it. Oh okay.
One last bit of news here.

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The Roswell Ufo Museum plans to build
a new home for the museum and it

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hit Their plan hit a snag last
week. A paperwork error has been cited

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for the reason for the delay,
but the museum's board of Director's plans to

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reevaluate things after the upcoming annual Roswell
Ufo Festival. In July, I reported

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twelve thousand people visit the Roswell Ufo
Museum every month. Lots of people,

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Yeah, lots of people. And
hopefully we're going to be manning a table

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there during the Roswell Festival. From
the First to the Forest. Don Schmidt

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will be there to sign his story
in our magazine, Buy our magazine.

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He wrote, a story in there. Sign it. San Friedman wrote a

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story. He can sign it for
you there at the museum, and you

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are just gonna be looking. You're
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Excellent, you have, oh one
hunter. That is it for the

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news. All right, Thank you
sir. You bet adios, Mutaco adios.

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All right. So some cool stuff. Jason all already mentioned our nssay

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story, which was really fun because
we've got a lot of great responses from

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that, and even some of the
people who had reported this story first,

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thinking that it was a real extraterresterial
message, came over and said, hey,

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thanks man, you know, for
clearing that up, and we're really

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cool about it. So we thank
our UFO colleagues and for their enthusiasm and

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for their thanks. Another story.
Clearing up some misinformation is a way I'll

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put it, and innocently, so
I think just sometimes people, you know,

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it takes a lot of research to
get all the details right. And

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Antonio has been writing his stories on
the royals and UFOs just in time for

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the wedding, so this is kind
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Lord Montbountain, who was actually Prince
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William's great uncle who was into UFOs
and he researched UFOs and there was one

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case where a ufo, according to
someone who worked at his estate, landed

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on his estate and a creature came
out. So Lord mount Bounton looked into

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that. He interviewed the witness and
others who were around, uh to see

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the witnesses reactions, and went out
to go look at the area and stuff

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like that. And this was supposedly
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Prince William. You know is going
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are people who are you know,
high rollers, they're they're high their officers

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in the navy and everything, so
you know, these are very well to

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do, credible people. So it's
kind of cool. So this it's a

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two parter or this first part is
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Lands Aren't Broadlands a state which was
where Lord Montbountain lived, and the details

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and some of the pictures and you
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that were made. I think we're
the first ones to ever post as far

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as I know, the actual files
that were filled out on the reports of

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the UFO where you can see the
witness testimony and you could see Lord mount

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Batten's statement on the whole incident.
So this is kind of exciting, and

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we've got pictures and stuff like that, so you can find out more about

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what the royals really do believe when
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saying he had his own sighting,
but that has not been confirmed, and

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at least mont Boughten never shared with
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although I know there's at least one
claim out there that he said he had

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seen something, but that had never
been confirmed. But Antonio is going to

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write a part too, sometime in
the near future. He's hard at work

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on the next day two of the
magazine, so it may be a few

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days, but we'll have that up
and of course look for that because it's

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going to be exciting, ladies and
gentlemen. Our website always is. And

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speaking of exciting, we've got Don
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to our Don Schmidt interview. This
is great stuff, all right, Don,

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I am here, Alejandro good to
be back with you. Yes,

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it's great to have you again.
It's funny because I just listened to a

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bit of the show I had you
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we got back from Mexico, and
I was so and it's kind of funny

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because I'm stuttering, and it just
reminded me of what I felt like.

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It was a bad burritle you had, I remember, I think, so

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it was scary because what was funny
actually during the show is I had the

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hiccups. It's really bad for like
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that's really dangerous if you have hiccups
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was worried, and I drank a
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for some reason during the show when
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not hiccup. But I mean I'm
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the show was over, I started
hiccuping again, and for like twenty four

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hours, and I had to go
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that work. But you are correct, I recall you were totally composed.

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I did not hear or I know
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feeling well, yeah, we even
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immediately after the show that I'm glad
you took medical action and that, yeah,

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it was pretty serious because you know, there were at least some more

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names and stuff I couldn't recall,
but you were very gracious and he remembered

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the names and it all worked out. Yes, yes, it did all

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right. So we have a lot
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of I guess the first thing I
wanted to talk about is during the and

404
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.000
I'm not sure how you even pulled
this off, if you bilocated or what,

405
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:21.079
but during the UFO Congress, which
you were at and you were wonderful

406
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:26.240
and we're getting comments about the people
there loved it. But somehow the Lewis

407
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.640
ferri Con was also having a conference
and he had a UFO portion, and

408
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.920
you were at both conferences at the
same time at the same time. Can

409
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:44.160
you imagine that? First of all, I expressed reluctance for leaving Phoenix and

410
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:52.440
certainly being part of this other conference
hosted by the Minister Phara Khan almost up

411
00:31:52.480 --> 00:32:00.000
to about four days before I left
for Phoenix, and I kept reminding them

412
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.160
that, I mean, I had
a contract in Phoenix. I was obligated

413
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.799
to speak there. That was certainly
priority one. And they kept assuring me

414
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.279
that, oh no, no,
we're just gonna pull you away for just

415
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:16.000
one afternoon, one afternoon. And
I kept bringing coming back to well,

416
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.759
what if the weather is a factor? I mean we're talking here, you

417
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.680
know, March, right, And
what if I can't get back from Chicago,

418
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.880
what if there's a delay. And
just a week before there had been

419
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:37.559
a shutdown at O'Hare airport. Wow, And we had to wait until we

420
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:45.440
saw that the weather did not appear
or would not be a factor. There

421
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:52.400
was a forecast of some flurries,
possible light snow. But nonetheless it was

422
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.279
a last minute thing. I had
not committed to it until just the week

423
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:04.880
before, and then I had other
conditions that there could be nothing religious about

424
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.839
it and nothing political, that it
was strictly going to be UFOs. And

425
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.160
after I had all of those assurances, what I finally, you know,

426
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:22.039
even agree and true to their word. That's precisely what did help. What

427
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.039
did take place? Well, yeah, I was worried because I knew Himei

428
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:29.599
was gonna be there. We were
going to try to do a live broadcast

429
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.599
of him that didn't work out because
he was so busy, and I was

430
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.039
worried too, because you know,
around a decade ago, I was watching

431
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.079
Nightline what Tech COOPFO Yeah, of
course, and very con was on,

432
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.640
and I watched it because you know, I'm a new town and I get

433
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:52.759
really interested, especially in the U
that race relations type of stuff that's involved

434
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.559
with that kind of thing as a
kid affecting all of us today and rightly.

435
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.759
And he was actually well spoken,
and the interview was very impressive,

436
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:07.079
actually, especially because I've heard some
of the more negative rhetorics that he's had.

437
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.239
But then at the end, he's
like, I got to tell you

438
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.840
one more thing, and he said, Okay, what do you have to

439
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.320
say? And he says, there's
a UFO, a giant mothership over the

440
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:21.320
ocean, and it's about to come
and destroy the White world where all of

441
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.000
their crimes and corruptions. And it
was so I was like, you know,

442
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.239
everybody watching and take couple were all
pretty blown away by that. And

443
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.840
in the UFO community, we're thinking, oh, yes, that's all we

444
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.639
need, I mean, someone to
make such a pronouncement and and and use

445
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:49.159
it mostly as just race s beating
in the sense that well, it's it's

446
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.639
anti Semitic, it's anti gentile,
as far as the idea that you know

447
00:34:53.960 --> 00:35:01.239
that even the Aliens had it in
for us problem. He was most gracious

448
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.159
to us. We met with him
for a full hour and a half wow

449
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:14.280
before that afternoon. Uh, very
soft spoken, totally supportive in our work.

450
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:22.719
He kept referring to us as being
heroic and pioneers in the forefront of

451
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.960
uncovering you know this, this mystery, this phenomenon. He kept referring to

452
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:37.119
the the the wheel, which is
you know the word they use in describing

453
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:43.800
UFOs, you know, flying saucers, that I mean that sort, and

454
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:51.000
explained to us that this is something
that has taught, something that is generally

455
00:35:51.079 --> 00:36:01.000
accepted within the Muslim Committe community.
And so I did feel a bit outnumbered.

456
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:06.280
We spoke in a room of five
thousand people, wow, by an

457
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.519
audience of five thousand people, and
then the overflow room was another four thousand.

458
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:16.519
And I guess what help was the
fact that I had a Jewish individual

459
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:22.440
being being that of doctor Roger Lear
sitting next to me at the d S.

460
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.760
And a couple of times as we
sat there, he said to me

461
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:35.000
he asked me, don do you
think we're safe up here? And again

462
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.639
they treated us like rock stars from
beginning to end. And then go ahead

463
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:51.280
and then uh with with Stan Friedman
and even his name Friedman very Jewish.

464
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:59.920
He provided a pre recorded tape statement
that was used at the close of the

465
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:06.599
Roswell or I should say, the
UFO a portion of the conference that afternoon,

466
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.559
and and and there too, the
audience applauded when I spoke, and

467
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.760
I asked the attending people how many
have heard of Roswell, Well over ninety

468
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:24.599
percent of the people raised their hands
and then applauded. So yeah, we

469
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:30.920
recorded that Friedman teeth on my laptop
in our little office room at the conference

470
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.719
because at the Congress, yes,
and I figured it came down to some

471
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:45.239
of your people, some of your
production people right there assisting the people in

472
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:52.400
Chicago to get that done so they
could actually present it as a final statement.

473
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:59.960
But again, after all was said
and done, we were also informed

474
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:06.320
that it was viewed, as it
was streamed online by almost one hundred million

475
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.239
people, holy only, probably all
around the world. I know he act

476
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.079
around the world, the world,
And that's what it finally came down to.

477
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:21.400
The fact that for about three hours, we had an opportunity to present

478
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:28.559
our best case, our day in
court, as far as our UFO research,

479
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:34.960
to one hundred million people who wouldn't
have had such an opportunity before,

480
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:45.159
and given the stakes, given the
idea that we're all hoping that disclosure someday

481
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:51.239
will be at hand, that we
may have influenced at least some world leaders

482
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.960
into accepting and believing the fact that, yes, maybe we're not being told

483
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.360
the truth about this phenomenon. Maybe
there is something more to it than what

484
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:09.039
the the heads of state in such
countries as our own United States are withholding

485
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:17.480
the truth, are not disclosing the
true nature of the phenomenon. So any

486
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:23.079
time I have an opportunity to speak
before someone else beyond the choir, So

487
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:32.360
yeah, I feel that if we
are true to our own nature, that

488
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.239
we're going to we're going to present
it to the skeptics. We're going to

489
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.719
present it to other religions, We're
going to present it to other peoples because

490
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.159
if they provide us with the opportunity, right, then what do we prove

491
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:52.039
by only sharing it with like minded
individuals? Yeah, those are all good

492
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.920
points, because I thought you know, wow, because it's such a controversial

493
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.159
figure and things like that. What
would I do? But when you have

494
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.559
the opportunity to reach so many people, Uh, yeah, you kind of

495
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.480
got to take it. And it's
a bit of a gamble because you don't

496
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.440
know if he'll maybe take what you're
saying and spin it. But that didn't

497
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.960
happen, which is which is great. And I had back in Phoenix the

498
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:23.119
next afternoon after I had presented as
far as my paper, well, how

499
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:30.920
did you do that? You presented? So you went to Chicago Saturday afternoon

500
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:37.519
and right from there I missed their
their evening evening banquet. I didn't have

501
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.599
a thing to eat, and I
had a rush right back to Old Farm

502
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:46.840
and at the gate in a light
snow, and I'm wondering, why aren't

503
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.760
we backing off? Come on,
don't tell me they're going to delay this

504
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:57.840
flight or because of snow and without
an announcement, and a flight attendant finally

505
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.280
walked by and I asked, I
said, is there a problem? And

506
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.760
she said, well, we haven't
been given the okay to back off from

507
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.880
the gate. Finally, the pilot
comes on and says, ladies and gentlemen,

508
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.599
sorry for the delay, but we're
gonna have to de ice and we

509
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.800
hope to you know, take off
within an hour. Wow, I'm thinking,

510
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.559
is even if it takes till tomorrow
morning, just get me back to

511
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:30.360
Phoenix. What happens when I ride
back in Phoenix, it's a cold,

512
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:37.119
blustery rain, and it's like,
can I get away from this stuff?

513
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.199
Yeah? Well, it was a
beautiful morning that Sunday. It was a

514
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:49.440
beautiful morning. And then I had
two sisters of the Islam faith come up

515
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.239
to my table after my talk and
they informed me that they had seen the

516
00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:01.079
Chicago conference on time and that was
the reason they came the conference in Phoenix,

517
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:09.360
Hollie Molly. So we attracted again
some additional people, some people who

518
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:15.559
would not have even given it a
second thought, but because they were so

519
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:22.320
impressed that there was and they weren't
even aware that there was a legitimate UFO

520
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.519
investigation, you know, ongoing at
that very time, and that there was

521
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:32.519
a conference right in their very city. Wow. And they assured me that

522
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:38.800
next year they were going to spread
the word and that it may generate the

523
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:44.239
generate the one hundred extra people for
all you know. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.519
how cool, that's great. And
you how that works. We see how

525
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.480
that works. So yeah, there's
a testament. It was the right decision.

526
00:42:52.519 --> 00:43:00.559
So who was there? You were
there? Friedman had the videosan Roger

527
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:07.599
Lear AJ, oh yeah, he
was that. He flew out there too.

528
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:13.960
And there was the couple from Italy
I can't think of their name right

529
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:20.159
now, has a multiple ongoing experience, yes, yes, Antonio Zy.

530
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:30.400
And there was a doctor who works
with Roger Lear who was also there to

531
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.679
confirm at least some of the testing
on some of the alleged implants that he

532
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:44.480
has retrieved through some of the surgeries. And that was basically it. Wow,

533
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.639
yeah, how funny because we also
were contending with that weekend. Well,

534
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.880
some of our speakers were there was
an event for Battle La the movie,

535
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.960
Yes, and I don't know if
they asked you to be a part

536
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.239
of that, but some of our
speakers weren't in La part of this panel

537
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.679
and opening for their movie, and
they were flying back and forth between Phoenix

538
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.480
and La for that. I think
Friedman was part of that too, and

539
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.039
Colonel Halt was part of that.
I know Charles Halt right. Well,

540
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.039
it does demonstrate though that we've had
some very lean years in the past,

541
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:28.639
where if there were just two or
three conferences anywhere, that was about it.

542
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.840
But just imagine the thoughts that you're
conflicting. I mean, just one

543
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:37.159
weekend there are three different you know
events going on, you know, all

544
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.880
touching, all, you know,
spreading the information. Yeah, about the

545
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:49.519
very phenomenon that you know, we
keep crying out. Just listen to the

546
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.840
information. Just examine the record,
look at the testimony, look at the

547
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.320
documentation. It's there if one just
takes the time to look at it.

548
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.760
Yeah, that's all we're asked,
anyone. Yeah. And then just a

549
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.440
few weeks before this gigantic Saudi Arabian
Business Forum which had some of our speakers

550
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:15.719
there too, they had Nick Pope
and Freedman and again and absolutely Yeah.

551
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:21.679
So the company of you know,
the President Bill Clinton, for example,

552
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:29.280
who as we know himself, has
a very definitive interest in the subject of

553
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.000
UFOs and most specifically Roswell. You
know what, that's a great topic and

554
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.119
I haven't asked you about that.
So maybe let's segue into that into sure

555
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:45.000
Clinton had an interest in Roswell,
And it seems like possibly and we'll see

556
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.159
if you agree with this that because
of Clinton's inquiries and interest. We got

557
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:55.960
these Air Force reports too, which
were to try to qualm or Quelsh's growth

558
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:07.159
his interest. Well, when we
came out with our first book in nineteen

559
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.679
ninety, Kevin Randall and IUFO crash
at Roswell, and we had already been

560
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:21.039
approached by producer writer Paul Davis for
purchasing or optioning the rights to the book.

561
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.719
And as I'm sure most of the
audience knows, it then would lead

562
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:35.239
to the Golden Globe nominated Best TV
Motion Picture Roswell, which we're still very

563
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:39.360
proud of. Well, anyway,
we were hoping to have a private screening

564
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.440
of the movie at the White House, just as Spielberg had with the movie

565
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:52.960
et during the Reagae administration, and
up until about a week before that is

566
00:46:52.079 --> 00:47:05.079
exactly what was scheduled, until someone
else, someone outside of the Oloval office,

567
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.519
decided that it was not about to
happen. That someone either at the

568
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:15.519
Pentagon or someone else felt that it
was too controversial. Well, it didn't

569
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:22.320
stop us from providing something else for
the President, at least on the subject.

570
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:29.199
And it's a topic and you probably
have heard me mentioned this before,

571
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:35.880
but the fact that Roswell was mentioned
in the ken Star report on the Harmonica

572
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:43.199
Lewinsky scandal, and when the grand
jury subpoenaed the book that Lewinsky had given

573
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:49.000
Clinton as a Christmas present, when
they retreated from his private study, they

574
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.280
found the book Sandwich between two other
books. One was a book on Winston

575
00:47:53.360 --> 00:48:00.679
Churchill and the other was an autographed
copy to the President of our book you

576
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:08.880
opulcress at Roswell. So therein began, I like to believe his interest or

577
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:15.360
increased or intensified his interest in the
subject. And then as the late Congressman

578
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:22.159
Stephen Shift also made inquiries to the
White House and to the then Secretary of

579
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:30.559
Defense, Less aspen As to the
opening of the Roswell files, and as

580
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:37.599
Newsweek magazine very aptly described as the
preemptive strike on the part of the Air

581
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:45.880
Force when they came out in September
of nineteen ninety four with their third official

582
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.559
explanation, that being their new theory, that being the same type of weather

583
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.280
balloon device, but that it was
part of a top secret project back in

584
00:48:54.360 --> 00:49:00.320
nineteen forty seven called Mogul, the
theory being that if the Soviets were to

585
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.719
detonate their own atomic bomb, that
we would pick up the shockwave. Well,

586
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.599
I understand right now that the mogulists
are now taking credit once again that

587
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:17.079
it was also Mogul that even picked
up that first detonation of an atomic bomb

588
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:22.599
by the Soviet Union in August of
nineteen forty nine. Well, if you

589
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:28.039
look at the historic record, well, sorry, Mogil friends, it was

590
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:35.719
not because if Mogul would have been
successful, we should have picked up the

591
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:44.119
shockwave within hours or at least a
day or two. Nonetheless, according to

592
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:49.320
the Air Force, we didn't even
know the Soviets had detonated an atomic bomb

593
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:55.880
until almost three weeks later, because
we picked up a higher reading of radiation

594
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.880
in the upper atmosphere. Mogil had
nothing to do with it. So sorry,

595
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:09.320
Mogil failed miserably. So not only
wasn't it the explanation of what happened

596
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.960
at Roswell, it couldn't even do
the job it was assigned to do.

597
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:22.280
But nonetheless, getting back to even
President Clinton, we believe, and as

598
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.800
you mentioned, that one of the
reasons that they so quickly skirted the issue,

599
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:34.400
that being the Air Force, and
they tried to downplay the president's growing

600
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.599
curiosity on the subject, was by
coming out with this new theory, this

601
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:46.360
new explanation, and that being Project
Mogul, and most people within the media

602
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.159
to this day, Well, wasn't
it Project mobil. Didn't the Air Force

603
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:57.199
come out with the official explanation back
in the nineties explaining this all the way,

604
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.199
Well, yeah, they tried to, but they are still unable to

605
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:08.000
provide a single witness to that effect. It still remains a theory. None

606
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:15.880
of the witnesses support that theory.
None of the witnesses described a balloon of

607
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:22.599
any sort, and as of April
two thousand and eleven, they are still

608
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:28.239
betting zero. And we today have
spoken to over six hundred people that claim

609
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:37.480
that the flying saucer explanation was the
correct one. Well, I always like

610
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:43.880
to is Clinton's comments, because He's
commented a couple of times on this whole

611
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.159
affair and that Oh I asked the
Air Force about that whole Rothwell thing and

612
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.320
they told me it was just a
balloone. But he always has the caveat

613
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:59.599
and I know in Hong Kong it
was. But I wouldn't be the first

614
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:04.280
president than that. Creer, Burt
Bery Kraft have probably held information from Marlay

615
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:09.880
to that's correct. I've seen that
very interview that he did. It's probably

616
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:15.559
one of the more recent, probably
the most recent comment. And the thing

617
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.639
is, if you think back to
it, he appeared to be a bit

618
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:28.239
blindsided, that he was caught off
guard when the reporter even brought up the

619
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.840
subject, and he was a bit
exasperated by it, like you can ask

620
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:38.239
me anything but that. But then
it was also Clinton, who you know,

621
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:44.679
working the crowd in Dublin, Ireland
as you remember, actually brought up

622
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:50.679
a letter he had received from a
young boy from Ireland about when are they

623
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:57.480
going to tell us the truth about
Roswell and he lamented that the problem then

624
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:02.000
as well, that they tell me
it was a weather balloon, but frankly,

625
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.920
I don't know what it was.
They won't tell me. Yeah.

626
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.760
So, and that, as we
know, has been the case with I

627
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:19.679
believe all the presidents from Truman who
served in that capacity back at the time

628
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.840
of the end of nineteen forty seven, right off, for the president president

629
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:31.360
that the president is not albeit commander
in chief, is not looked at as

630
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:38.039
being within the military loop and they're
walking the street. They're a civilian in

631
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:44.920
four to eight years, so they
they obviously under position of need to know,

632
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:52.119
and for whatever reason, the subject
of UFOs is not considered within their

633
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:59.679
purview. Another amazing thing during this
period of time was when the fifty eight

634
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.559
Versary happened for Roswell and the parade
and everything out in Roswell, and Time

635
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.119
magazine had a special issue on Roswell
with that famous alien picture on the cover

636
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:16.440
cover. Steve Yes, this is
amazing a poll that they did at the

637
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:24.159
time, and their poll said eighty
percent of Americans think that the government at

638
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:29.840
that time was hiding knowledge of eighteen
life. And I don't know that that

639
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.840
number has ever reached its high on
some of these bigger official polls as it

640
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.960
did at that time. Well,
and you had mentioned ABC Nightline with Ted

641
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:49.480
Compell on the fiftieth anniversary when they
focused on a topic of Roswell and they'd

642
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:57.320
had a call in survey which they
announced results the very next evening. It

643
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.960
was eighty three percent. Wow.
So it was in that same ballpark.

644
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:09.480
So as we've been discussing, you
know, President Bill Clinton, we could

645
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:15.840
also add former President Jimmy Carter.
We've mentioned the late Congressman Stephen Schiff.

646
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:24.559
We could also mention the late Senator
former presidential candidate, former Brigadier General Barry

647
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:30.960
Goldwater. And we could also mention
the former governor of New Mexico, Bill

648
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:38.719
Richardson. And I feel I'm a
very good company because they would all voice

649
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:46.239
and express their concern that they could
not get the answers about what really happened

650
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.840
in Roswell in nineteen forty seven,
that none of them were able to get

651
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:59.360
to the bottom of what actually crashed
back at that time. So we're talking

652
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:04.280
right up to the Oval office.
So for any reporter to be so smug

653
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.920
as to say, well, the
government, well, the government is speaking

654
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.880
out of both sides of their mouths. The Pentagon tells us one thing,

655
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.239
but then the president says, well
I can't get the answers. Well doesn't

656
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:20.559
that, you know, define the
very term cover up? Right? If

657
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:25.519
the president can't get the answers,
well, I guess it is still being

658
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:30.159
covered up. That's all we have, that's all we are acknowledging. And

659
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:37.599
if that's the case, our investigation
continues until we come to a final resolution.

660
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:44.360
Yeah. Lately, probably just because
I've been talking with people about various

661
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:49.119
crash cases and stuff like that.
You know, the Frank Scully has come

662
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.119
up quite a bit. Who was
then a memo? Yes, right,

663
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.840
well, and he was the genesis
of a lot of different Yeah, and

664
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:01.920
with the Hottle memo of a lot
of crash cases and crash rumors. But

665
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:07.239
that's what's great about Roswell because there's
a lot of doubt shed on on Frank

666
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.519
Scoli, which I've reviewed on that
the show I had James Moseley on.

667
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:15.320
We talked about that, yeah,
last week. But Roswell not like that.

668
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.599
Roswell came became popular much later.
And the guy who really the first

669
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:27.559
witness to come forward was the military
intelligence Air Force intelligence officer who saw the

670
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:35.440
material precisely, precisely, Major Jesse
Marcel. And if we're talking about another

671
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:44.519
important factor about Roswell is this was
the first atomic strike or bomb wing in

672
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:49.519
the world at that time. It
was a composite squadron, the Fible ninth

673
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.800
Bomb Group. They were selected as
this composite squadron. They were the best

674
00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:01.920
officers, the best pilots, best
crewmen, doctors, nurses, and Jesse

675
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:08.440
Marcel being the head of intelligence made
him the number one intelligence officer in the

676
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:15.000
United States military at that time and
for him thirty years after the fact.

677
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:21.400
He was dying up in physema at
the time and having been the Patsy,

678
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:25.880
the fall guy who was ordered to
pose with the substituted weather balloon wreckage in

679
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:32.800
General Ramie's office as they were coming
up with explanation number two. And as

680
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:36.880
Jess was always told, you know, just be a good soldier, Jesse,

681
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.480
it's all going to come out in
five years, ten years, fifteen

682
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.400
years, twenty years, thirty years
later. And at the time he's finally

683
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:49.840
you know, his days are dwindling, as he's dying of his disease,

684
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:55.159
and he finally breaks his oath of
secrecy, and as you mentioned, he

685
00:58:55.320 --> 00:59:01.159
describes how I held it right in
my hand, and being familiar with all

686
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:08.320
materials, both domestic and foreign,
this was nothing made on this earth.

687
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:14.719
Well, what else do we need
to hear? It's no different than the

688
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:21.559
late Brigadier General Thomas Jefferson de Bos
who was also part of that press conference,

689
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.800
who was also photographed with his boss, General Rainey in two of the

690
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:32.599
shots, testifying and signing an affidavit
before he died that they were the ones

691
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:42.000
who substituted the weather balloon for the
actual material the bows stated the balloon part

692
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:47.280
of it was a hoax. Yeah, so we have two high ranking officers

693
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:54.559
who were party to the official cover
up, and it doesn't matter that they

694
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.159
become whistleblowers, that they come clean, that they sign as the Davids,

695
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:06.760
that they go on camera, and
they stayed in front of the entire world.

696
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.079
It was not a weather balloon.
It was something not made on this

697
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:15.039
planet. And it still isn't enough. It still isn't enough for the press

698
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:21.480
to say, maybe we need to
look into this, because if we're wrong,

699
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.159
if these witnesses are right, we're
talking about the biggest story of the

700
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:31.280
millennium and we can hardly go wrong
trying to at least get to the bottom

701
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.280
of it. Yeah. One question
I don't think i've asked you about Roswell,

702
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.360
which I find fascinating, is and
not a lot of people realize this

703
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.880
these days, and I touched on
it earlier, was that even though Roswell

704
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.480
happened in forty seven, a press
release went out, new stories went out.

705
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.920
Of course, then within a day
another press release comes out saying,

706
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.840
oh, it was a mistake,
it wasn't real, and then it goes

707
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:02.440
quiet. Nobody after you know,
intensive UFO investigations in the fifties and the

708
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:07.760
sixties, especially with my CAP and
APRO and all of these people looking into

709
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:12.280
UFOs, they never touched on Roswell. It didn't come out until the eighties

710
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:21.519
because, as just described in the
situation of Jesse Marcel, for all of

711
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:27.119
the military involved as well as the
civilians involved. The military De Bos told

712
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:30.760
us, for example, that right
after the balloon press conference that his boss,

713
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:36.519
General Raimie took him aside and said, I don't want to hear you

714
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:44.679
ever bring this up again. And
that was the common scenario described to us

715
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.559
over and over again, that they
were told it was a non event,

716
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.679
they were told it didn't happen,
they were told not to ever bring it

717
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:58.000
up again, and they were sworn
to secrecy and within the military when you

718
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:02.599
sign a non disclosure as you complete
your tenure of service, or as we've

719
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:07.719
had described that, they were taken
into rooms and they were in groups of

720
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:14.280
eight to twelve people, and they
were told verbally that if you want to

721
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.280
wind up in Leavenworth, if you
want to lose your pensions, if you

722
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.320
want to wind up in jail for
the rest of your life, you better

723
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:28.760
never bring this up again and with
civilians, as you know, they had

724
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:34.000
to resort to physical threats, They
had to threaten parents, They had to

725
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:38.719
threaten parents with the deaths of their
children if they should ever speak about this

726
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:46.880
again and again, demonstrating the extreme
measures that were resorted to by the authorities

727
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:53.519
just to ensure the cooperation of the
witnesses. And that is what becomes so

728
01:02:53.840 --> 01:03:00.440
silly that now, after going on
sixty four years, that we still have

729
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:07.599
civilian people tell us that they still
feel threatened, they still feel intimidated,

730
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:15.920
that they still get late night phone
calls reminding them about maintaining their silence about

731
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:21.400
again, as something as mundane,
as conventional as a weather balloon. I

732
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.159
don't care if it was top secret
back in nineteen forty seven. Officially it

733
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:30.320
was declassified in the seventies, but
it was the project. The materials,

734
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:37.079
I can't emphasize this enough, were
still very conventional. It was still neoprene

735
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:45.320
rubber weather balloons and reflective foil and
wooden sticks and masking tape and strings,

736
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:49.920
that's all it was. And the
notion that the very people in charge of

737
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:57.079
the atomic bomb would not have been
able to identify something that prosaic, something

738
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:02.280
that conventional, and to the very
deathbeds that they still swear that it was

739
01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:08.199
the very first press release which you
mentioned, the actual acknowledgement that they had

740
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:13.920
captured a flying saucer was still the
correct one. And that's what makes Roswell

741
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.440
so important and to me it's what
still makes it the granddaddy of all UFO

742
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:26.119
cases. Yeah, because it is
a matter of historic fact. It was

743
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:31.000
reported to the press. They put
out that press release that they had indeed

744
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.559
captured a flying saucer, which they
wouldn't put out lightly. I mean they

745
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:40.360
would not. I mean, that's
a very serious thing. And they realized

746
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:44.239
that at the time that this is
the air Force thing. We captured a

747
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.599
fine disk. So you know,
it wasn't a flip type of oh yeah,

748
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.639
put out you know, fun thing. It was they believed that they

749
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:56.880
may had captured something. That's correct, that is correct, and it was

750
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:01.800
all pre arranged. It was all
stage in the sense that they had the

751
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:06.960
material in hand. In fact,
Washington even had the material for a full

752
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:14.800
day and a half before they put
out the press release and they needed they

753
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.559
in fact, they were forced to
put out that very pronouncement because it had

754
01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:27.400
leaked out to the press that you
had so many people already speaking about the

755
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.599
reality of the nature that they had
to they had to admit it. They

756
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.119
had to create the straw man,
and then they had to tear it down.

757
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:42.519
They had to first acknowledge that they
had captured something of an unusual nature,

758
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:48.119
and then within five hours, well, we're sorry for all the misunderstanding,

759
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:54.079
but it is nothing more than this
weather balloon with this radar reflector kite.

760
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:59.320
That's what confused the very people who
were in charge of the atomic bomb,

761
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.280
as you did. For weeks leading
up to Roswell, the skies were

762
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:09.320
full of flying saucers. The modern
age of youthology had started. And then

763
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:16.159
immediately after Roswell the reports dropped down, depressedically nothing They not only had screelched

764
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:21.679
Roswell, but the very phenomenon itself. Yeah, you get it. Real

765
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:27.239
sports continue. The sightings continued.
Yeah, when you listen to the radio

766
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:32.519
broadcast back then, because the guy
said, now maybe we finally have an

767
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:38.320
answer to this Sasser question that has
been you know, plaguing as far as

768
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.199
the airwaves for weeks. Right,
So you can tell from those radio broadcasts

769
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.559
because some people make the assumption that
it wasn't a big deal back then.

770
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:49.480
But people were seeing a lot of
stuff back then. Oh, any one

771
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:57.039
of your listeners can go to the
public libraries and pull out all the microfilms

772
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.760
and pull out all the newspapers from
that last week of June, that first

773
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:06.440
week of July, and I think
any one of them would be amazed at

774
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:13.639
the banner headlines day after day about
the flying dish, the flying saucers,

775
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:18.559
and all the attempt that scrambles,
and all the attempts by our own military

776
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:25.800
in trying to come to answers as
to what was invading our airspace. Back

777
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:30.719
then, we were clearly dealing with
someone else's hardware. This wasn't being treated

778
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:36.760
as mass hysteria, or as astronomical
or as meteorological in nature. We were

779
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:43.800
clearly dealing with someone else's aircraft.
Why else were we trying to bring one

780
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:48.760
down? Why else were pilots mounting
cameras, for example, on their aircraft,

781
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:53.760
their P fifty one Mustangs, for
example, trying to at least capture

782
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:59.159
something on film. They were taking
it very seriously, and as you mentioned,

783
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:04.119
after Roswell, they went into a
full scale effort to not only explain

784
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:10.360
away Roswell, but all of the
UFO reports at that time. They attempted

785
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:16.399
to demonstrate that they were all nothing
more than weather balloons. And the problem

786
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:23.359
with that is yes, many UFO
sightings, even in Project blue Book for

787
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:29.319
the twenty years after Roswell, were
explained as weather balloons. But that's at

788
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:36.279
ten thousand feet. There are a
lot of conventional aircraft that at high altitude

789
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:42.960
can look unusual at that distance,
but when it's on the ground in front

790
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.960
of you, as in the case
of Roswell, when as Major Jesse Marcel

791
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:51.800
said, I held it in my
hands. If you can't recognize rubber and

792
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:58.239
wood and foil at that point,
I guess you need a different job.

793
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:01.680
You need to get out of the
military in a hurry. Letlone be in

794
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:06.039
charge of these tomic bob. Yeah. What I found interesting too, when

795
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.359
you talked about the secrecy and just
telling the Air Force officers to shut up,

796
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:15.560
how effective that was. When I
first interviewed Marcell Junior, I asked

797
01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:17.279
him about the movie. You talked
about the Showtime movie and how in the

798
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:21.880
movie, you know the main character
Jessein Marcel's really upset that they're setting him

799
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:26.279
up and everything, and he said
his dad really wasn't upset. His dad

800
01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:29.880
followed orders. If they said,
we got to tell people it's a balloon,

801
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:31.479
we got to tell people it's a
balloon. It's just day, that's

802
01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.920
business. I do what I'm told. And it wasn't until later, and

803
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:41.279
it's like, that's just like you
had mentioned that. He was finally,

804
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:44.399
Hey, you know, you guys
told us to shut up and that the

805
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.560
secret would come out eventually. And
I'm almost you know, I'm in my

806
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:50.399
last days and nobody's told anybody anything, and I think people got to know.

807
01:09:51.039 --> 01:10:01.880
The only two people that expressed Marcel's
frustration on returning back to Roswell after

808
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:08.920
the weather balloon press conference were two
other people who shared an adjoining office in

809
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:15.800
intelligence, and that was Captain shared
In Cabot and his non commissioned officer Master

810
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:20.880
Sergeant Lewis Rickett, who were both
counterintelligence at that time, and both of

811
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:30.319
them described how Marcel came into Cabot's
office the very next morning, demanding to

812
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:36.279
see the report what had transpired during
his absence from Roswell while he was away

813
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:45.399
at Fort Worth for this weather balloon
press conference and Rickett offered to leave the

814
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:49.159
room and Cabot said, no,
you can stay. So he observed the

815
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:59.359
exact exchange that I'm about to relate, and Cabot responded to Marcel, I

816
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.800
don't know what you're talking about.
Nothing happened while you were gone, and

817
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:08.199
Marcel said, you know exactly what
I'm talking about. You were out at

818
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:15.439
that ranch with me. And Marcell
was then told by Cavot, if you

819
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:20.960
don't like what I'm saying, you
can take it up with Washington. I'm

820
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:29.079
taking my orders from Washington. And
Marcel reminded Kavat, my god, man,

821
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:34.239
I outrank you. I'm ordering you
to tell me what happened. And

822
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:40.560
Cavit again said, I'm sorry,
Jess, take it up with Washington.

823
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:45.359
I take my orders from them.
Wow, and Cabot was I think the

824
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.600
only person in the movie who didn't
allow you to use his name. I

825
01:11:48.680 --> 01:11:53.039
guess, huh, that is well. We changed his name, and we

826
01:11:53.199 --> 01:12:00.439
also changed the name of the mortician, Glenn Dennis from the Home and we

827
01:12:00.680 --> 01:12:09.760
changed it as a variation on the
executive producer Paul David's name. We changed

828
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:20.479
it to Paul Davies Ah who is
now a famous as astrobiologist that is correct

829
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:27.439
who at the time we weren't aware
of that, but so we changed two

830
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:32.039
names, so you had Cabot was
changed the Carson in the movie, and

831
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:38.359
Glenn Dennis was changed the Davies now
one aspect of the movie. Just because

832
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.279
we're a runn out of time,
I want to get to this because in

833
01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:44.680
the magazine that should be out on
the bookstores, I think right now or

834
01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:48.760
very soon. It's our special Rosbell
issue for June and July. You wrote

835
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:54.720
an article on the surviving alien,
and in the movie, of course that's

836
01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:59.640
portrayed that. You have a lot
of witnesses that have told you that one

837
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:05.039
of the beings from the crash survived. Yes, and in some accounts they

838
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:15.880
describe that it was lying on the
ground when they first arrived. Others describe

839
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:21.319
when arriving later that they saw it
walking. We have eyewitnesses who describe it

840
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:29.720
being carried on a stretcher into P
three Building eighty four, the B twenty

841
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:34.960
nine hangar at the base at Roswell. We have others describing it, describing

842
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:41.560
it on a gurney in the base
hospital where it moved. And we also

843
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:50.520
in this article I describe first hand
eyewitness testimony who describe taking the bodies over

844
01:13:50.800 --> 01:14:00.439
from the hangar to the hospital and
then a sheet being pulled accidentally away and

845
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:05.279
seeing that one of them indeed was
alive, that the head turned and the

846
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:13.039
eyes opened, and that particular witness
who we describe in the article is still

847
01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:18.119
emotionally affected by what he saw.
It's still something that creates nightmares. He's

848
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:24.239
still according to his wife, that
he'll bolt up during the middle of the

849
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:29.159
night and he still can't get the
face out of his mind after all these

850
01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:33.119
years, and he becomes very emotional
when he talks about it. So it

851
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:39.359
had a profound effect on not only
him, but the other people because so

852
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:46.560
many described the childlike characteristics of Are
the descriptions all similar, like the shape

853
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.399
and size is that they describe?
What is it that they describe? The

854
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:54.159
color of welkin stuff like that?
And are they similar? The ashen gray

855
01:14:54.439 --> 01:15:00.800
color of the skin, the larger, disproportionate head to the rest of the

856
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:06.920
body, the diminutive features, the
slight nose, slight ears, the thin

857
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:15.439
slit opening for the mouth, the
larger almond shaped eyes but three and a

858
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:21.359
half to four feet in height,
the smaller, more spinly body, but

859
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:29.239
again the childlike qualities that even for
those in depth, that they seem so

860
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:38.840
serene, so peaceful, even in
depth. So the alien in the movie

861
01:15:39.439 --> 01:15:43.720
is that pretty accurate? No?
No. In fact, we insisted that

862
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:50.600
even with the special effects people,
that the depiction of the bodies would not

863
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:57.520
be as described by the witnesses.
He did not want to lead or potentially

864
01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:03.359
contaminate any possible This is, any
witness that would come forward thereafter and describe

865
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:10.439
the appearance from the movie, we'd
know them not to be legitimate as a

866
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:19.319
result. Gotcha, that makes sense. That's interesting. So in the movie

867
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:25.279
the alien has taken and then you
know exact just when it goes into this

868
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:30.319
kind of the speculation, parts of
the possible I'm J twelve type of meeting

869
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.880
responding committee, Yes, forrestall and
all of that. Do you have any

870
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:42.840
witness testimony that tells you what happened
to that creature? Well, the latest

871
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:54.680
observation of a survivor beyond Roswell would
be the account of Miriam Recruiter, who

872
01:16:55.359 --> 01:17:00.680
was a full Bird colonel and before
he died in nineteen ninety five, he

873
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:05.119
described while he was part of the
War College, the class of forty seven

874
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:12.159
forty eight, that they were on
assignment in April, and in fact,

875
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:16.119
we have the documents that proved he
was at Wright Patterson Air Force Base for

876
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:24.039
an undisclosed mission April nineteen forty eight, and before he would pass away,

877
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:30.720
he would describe independently to his five
sons that he as well as the other

878
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:36.399
members of the classmates, all high
ranking officers, all lieutenant colonels and colonels

879
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:43.760
present in the room when they were
allowed to witness the survivor, they were

880
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:48.520
told, was recovered from Roswell just
that July of nineteen forty seven, just

881
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:56.680
that summer before. That's the last
account we have of a survivor. Beyond

882
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.600
that, we have rumors, we
have speculation, roll counts describe how we've

883
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:05.840
died shortly thereafter others that had lived
into the fifties, some beyond that.

884
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:13.479
But the actual last eye witness testimony
we have is April of nineteen forty eight.

885
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:17.800
Gotcha. Wow? Interesting? Now, just so people know, and

886
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:23.760
we'll start to talk about the conference
in Kingman in a minute, but also

887
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:29.720
at Roswell, the famous Roswell Anniversary
event that happens every year at least into

888
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:35.039
the fiftieth I think is July first
to the fourth. There's a Roswell Museum

889
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.560
downtown, a lot going on.
They can see you and others speak.

890
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.920
So people have to book their hotel
rooms right now if they want to check

891
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.199
this out, because they go quickly. But you'll be there once again at

892
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:51.279
the UFO Museum, which you're part
of the board. Is that correct?

893
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:56.159
Well, I'm actually an advisor to
the board. I was obviousally on the

894
01:18:56.279 --> 01:19:00.439
board, and I guess I had
a promotion because I now tell the board

895
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:04.840
what to do nice. In fact, Stanton Friedman and I serve in that

896
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:11.640
capacity. There was one time where
we even requested the board to ask for

897
01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:15.520
the resignation of their own president.
Wow, and they did comply. Wow.

898
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:21.560
I guess that's wielding a pretty big
sword. But more importantly, the

899
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:28.800
festival so often serves as an opportunity
for not only the public, but also

900
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:33.479
for witnesses to provide us with leads, with information that we're able to follow

901
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:41.960
up on and continue our proactive investigation
of the Roswell case. And the same

902
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:49.800
opportunity will present itself next weekend in
Kingmen, Arizona, when I've already with

903
01:19:50.600 --> 01:20:00.159
numerous media outlets, I've asked for
any potential witnesses with any information, with

904
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:06.439
any rumors, any little tidbits of
information pertaining to the alleged crash of a

905
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:14.680
UFO in Kingman, Arizona in nineteen
fifty three, that with this conference,

906
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:19.439
that with my being in town presenting
a paper, that they may possibly come

907
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:26.359
forward, and I in turn would
turn it over to people in Arizona,

908
01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:31.800
such as the good people at Open
Minds magazine for example, to follow up

909
01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:39.760
by I'm in Wisconsin. So it
would be something that others would have to

910
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:48.399
follow any such potential leads. But
the conference next weekend hopefully might provide such

911
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:58.800
new eyewitness testimonies and some further follow
up to continue a renewed investigation on this

912
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:02.479
alleged craft. And back in nineteen
fifty three, now this is one that

913
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:11.520
this is a skully one also right, no, it isn't. It has

914
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:15.640
it's GENESSI I can't remember right now
where Kingmen. It actually started with the

915
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:26.840
anonymous testimony to research or investigator longtime
Muphon in that stagetter Ray Fowler right and

916
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:32.199
his anonymous witness who went by the
name of the Fritz Warner and sur By

917
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:39.560
at firsthand testimony of an alleged crash
that happened outside of Kingmen in August of

918
01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:45.520
nineteen fifty three. Now, the
last time I was in Kingman was in

919
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:56.600
nineteen ninety five, and albeit I
was only there for a weekend, no

920
01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:00.520
no witnesses. I was unable to
find or have anyone come up with so

921
01:22:00.720 --> 01:22:06.680
much as a third hand witness.
But in recent years the story now,

922
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:10.800
and I call it a story because
at the moment, that's all it is,

923
01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:16.239
that a few other civilian witnesses have
come forward. In fact, supposedly

924
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:25.880
there's even eyewitness testimony as to the
possible ranch the property that this took place.

925
01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:34.000
So my hope is that enough new
information may be pieced together to provide

926
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:44.640
some new information for follow up and
something may develop. The one the great

927
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:47.439
thing about Roswell is again we come
back to the fact that they put out

928
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:54.119
that press release that there are names, that there were photographs, that there

929
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:59.960
were people names associated with the incident
back in the newspapers at that time.

930
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:05.279
So we had a paper trail to
follow up on with Kingmen. There is

931
01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:12.479
no paper trail. It's going to
require people to actually step forward and to

932
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:23.000
provide even again the slightest rumor of
information that may initiate some follow up investigation.

933
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.840
Yeah, I know, last time
I went to write on this story,

934
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.079
I kind of gave up because I
couldn't come up with that very much,

935
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:36.960
even right about so far on Kingmen. But it's something that is still

936
01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:43.560
so kind of pervasive. People talk
about king Men a lot, and yet

937
01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:47.800
if one except Roswell, as I
am ninety nine percent convinced that it did

938
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:54.520
happen, I then have to accept
the possibility that there were other Roswell's right,

939
01:23:54.720 --> 01:24:00.439
that there were other crashes. I
just can't otherwise it becomes so serving.

940
01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.159
And I have colleagues who, well, yes, Roswell, I accept

941
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:08.279
Roswell, but nothing else happened.
Well, that's faulty reasoning. That's a

942
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:13.079
false, false premise on the face
of it. It's no different that I've

943
01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:18.600
had the colleagues who are very pro
UFO when it comes to abduction research.

944
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:24.640
But they will then say, but
I can't accept that Roswell, you know,

945
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:27.920
was a legitimate case. Well,
I wouldn't remind them, as I

946
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:31.000
have in the past, you can
accept the egg, but you can't accept

947
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:36.720
the chicken. That's false. That
it's false, that's a faulty scientific approach

948
01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:42.600
to this, and I do not
accept that. Yeah, what ought to

949
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.439
be a fun conference at May sixth
to May ninth. People can go to

950
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:53.520
Arizona UFO Signings dot com. At
Arizona UFO Signings dot com that's where you

951
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:57.000
can go to register sixth to the
ninth. That ought to be fun.

952
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:03.479
You'll be there some very interesting speakers
that I'm know fairly well. Michael Stratton,

953
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:10.399
Antonio hune Is from Open Minds will
be there and seeing them personally.

954
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.239
Yes, strong presidence there. If
if you have any issues with the way

955
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.760
that we laid out your story on
Roswell, you can bring that up with

956
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:27.199
Antonio, take that out all on
him. And then yeah, Lang Caston,

957
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:30.640
who's a local author, a really
nice guy, he'll be there.

958
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:35.640
Atlantis Rising is what he writes for. Yes, Yes, so that ought

959
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:40.399
to be a lot of fun.
Looking forward to it, and again especially

960
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:45.600
looking forward to the possibility that being
right there in the heart of one of

961
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:53.520
the legendary UFO stories that supposedly took
place, Let's again see if there's some

962
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:59.640
actually witness information still available. Just
like Roswell, we race with the undertaker

963
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:06.640
and is just five years younger that
regard. So let's hope someone comes forward.

964
01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.439
Cool, So you're going to have
a busy and fun summer, it

965
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:17.720
sounds like. And again, continuing
every day we work on the Roswell incident,

966
01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:24.960
we have more and more testimony.
We have a long list of witnesses

967
01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:30.520
that we still have in our active
files that we need to conduct further in

968
01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:39.199
future interviews with And again I assure
your listeners, no one is testifying that

969
01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:44.920
this was a balloon or anything else
conventional. The deathbed testimonies, as they

970
01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:50.159
continue to grow in intensity, are
all talking about the recovery of the flying

971
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:55.520
saucer, of the little men,
of the little people. And as one

972
01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:58.439
of them, and I keep pointing
this out said to us, and I'm

973
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:02.800
ended my talk in Phoenix just a
month ago, as he stated, they

974
01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:08.800
sure weren't from Texas, right,
And if there are any Roswell skeptics out

975
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:14.319
there who have not read your books, then really you can't finish basing your

976
01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:21.119
opinion until you do that. Roswellinvestigator
dot com is your website that is Correctswell?

977
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:26.119
Yes, yeah, great, Well
I think that's everything. Thank you

978
01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:29.800
so much for being on the show
again. Of course it's been fun as

979
01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:32.800
always my pleasure. Alehandraw. Look
forward to seeing you soon. Hope you're

980
01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:39.439
going to be in Roswell with us
again, and uh look forward to the

981
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:47.079
conference and Kingman as well. Roswell. I've been I usually sometimes dreed going

982
01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:51.439
out there because it's so hot on
the fourth of July weekend when they have

983
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:56.640
their festival. But now that I
live in Arizona, that's nothing, so

984
01:27:56.840 --> 01:27:59.359
it's no big deal. But it
is a lot of fun, so you

985
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:01.520
guys can check out. You've got
to remember though, there's a lot of

986
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:08.720
of course fun and silliness at Roswell. It's not all completely serious stuff.

987
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:12.039
But when you come into the UFO
Museum you meet Don, you can tell

988
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:16.479
Don it's a very serious Stan Friedman, very serious people there. Now they're

989
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:20.399
witty and fun too, but of
course they're very serious about their research and

990
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:26.760
they're always in the museum twenty four
to seven and doing multiple talks a day

991
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.880
there. So come check us out
at the UFO Museum in Roswell next week,

992
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:33.039
ladies and gentlemen, we have a
special guest, and that is David

993
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:39.840
Eckhart. I'm ninety five percent sure
that will have him. But if you

994
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:43.319
watch Factor Fake, you know him. He's the guy who had some alleged

995
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:48.000
videos of aliens in his house and
says him and his wife have visitations.

996
01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:51.680
And so this is gonna be a
lot of fun talking to him because just

997
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:55.760
like with Factor Fake, you know, it was more about him being a

998
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.520
credible person, and they thought,
man, I don't know that this guy

999
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.079
is making this stuff up. He
seems like he's a real delio. So

1000
01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:08.800
we will talk to him about his
videos and his experiences and that will be

1001
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:12.920
a lot of fun. I'm very
interested in speaking with him, and he

1002
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.000
seems like a really nice guy,
so this should be a great show.

1003
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:21.399
Send us any messages or questions you
may have. Anyway, we are out

1004
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:26.039
of time. Thank you for listening
to Open Minds Radio, and don't forget

1005
01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:30.439
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