WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:07.879 Today we head to Egypt and the Sakara Acropolis that has been a real mystery 2 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:12.400 to scientists for the last couple of decades. Each year there seems to be 3 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:17.320 new revelations of mummy or a crypt, or a pit, or an underground 4 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:23.160 tunnel that leads to an opening, and no one knows why this design was 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:27.960 cut into this massive area. Today we're talking about a portion of the Sakara 6 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:33.399 Acropolis known as the Hospital, and my guest is going to detail what he 7 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:40.759 believes is evidence of sacred geometry, wisdom keeping, and also healing techniques that 8 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:49.280 were just beginning to understand using acoustic wave therapy. All this and Jendeo on 9 00:00:50.320 --> 00:01:29.439 Earth Ancients for Saturday, July eighth, twenty twenty three. This is Earth 10 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:40.040 Ancients. I'm your host Cliff Dunning. Hey, how are you welcome to 11 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:45.359 Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. I'm sitting here in my 12 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:49.480 studio in San Francisco Bay Area, just north of Berkeley, a little town 13 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:56.560 called El Sobrante, And welcome to the program. Hey, I am got 14 00:01:56.599 --> 00:02:00.480 some news. We've had doctor Avy Lobe from Harvard Universe City on the program 15 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:08.599 a number of times. Remember he was talking about doing a sweep of the 16 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:16.599 New Guinea Island Ocean or Pacific Ocean to find evidence of particles or a what 17 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:25.159 he believed an alien probe breaking up in our atmosphere and depositing bits and pieces 18 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:31.159 of its hall in the ocean. Well, it was reported just a few 19 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:38.280 days ago that he did a sweep using a very very powerful magnet, and 20 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:46.080 low and behold, he produced fifty, not a couple, fifty different examples 21 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:52.919 of the body or the I guess it's the hull of this probe that was 22 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.719 which I don't know if it orbited the Earth or not, but it entered 23 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:05.000 our atmosphere and broke up, and he and his assistant, who was one 24 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:10.800 of his students, calculated that this was an interplanetary probe that had come from 25 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:20.960 another location into our cosmos, entered our atmosphere, and then dissolved because of 26 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.919 the great heat. Well, he's already done some basic studies and apparently it's 27 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:31.120 a very exotic metal. There's some steel in it, but it is not 28 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:38.319 from Earth. It is not I guess he's saying, it's not any known 29 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.400 combination of metals that would make up the body of this probe. And I 30 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.759 gotta tell you he said this. You know, it's so great to have 31 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.560 a v on the program. He said that he was predicting this, And 32 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:59.840 you gotta love this transparency from a noted astronomer, you know, not trying 33 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:03.080 to cover it up, giving us straight answers. And I love it. 34 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.960 And I just sent him an email. We're gonna try to have him on 35 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.560 the program in the next couple of weeks to talk about this update, this 36 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.480 very very important update. And by the way, if you remember, he 37 00:04:15.600 --> 00:04:19.399 said he was reaching out to get I think a quarter of a million dollars 38 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:25.360 to get a crew together, get a boat and and scan the bottom of 39 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:30.399 the New Guinea area. Well it ended up causing him one costing him one 40 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.800 point five million dollars to do this. But you know, he's got the 41 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:38.959 backing of a couple of billionaires, he's got a lot of he's got deep 42 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:46.000 pockets to do this, and I think he's not necessarily going rogue, but 43 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.680 he's pulling away from the typical institutions that would squelch this kind of information. 44 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:59.920 This is a first contact scenario where you have an ancient probe from another civili 45 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.120 We don't know if the civilization is still with us, or it is sending 46 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:14.040 out these probes to find civilized populated planets like Earth, like Gaya and then 47 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:19.360 sending the material back. I'm really curious to know how far he can go 48 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.680 in terms of analyzing the data, and when we get him on the program, 49 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:30.199 we're going to drill down into this. So really really really exciting news. 50 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:32.560 Hey, we're not the only ones in though cosmos. We've all known 51 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.879 this. For those of you who have been following me for a few years, 52 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:44.800 this has been a huge issue with covering up data, covering up UFOs, 53 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:51.800 covering up alien or et survey. Well, what we think is probably 54 00:05:53.680 --> 00:06:02.399 intelligent archaeologists or anthropologists studying our planet and our government just saying, hey, 55 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.879 there's nothing in the sky but swamp gas. You're looking at satellites, you're 56 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:13.240 looking at reflections and things like that. It's crap. It's complete crap, 57 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:17.120 and we're all tired of it. So Avy Lobe stay tuned for the details. 58 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:23.800 And wow. Wow, by the way, I put an article. 59 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:30.519 I placed an article on this discovery with some of the micro scanned samples that 60 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:35.279 they pulled from the ocean on the Facebook page. Go to Facebook go to 61 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.480 Earth Ancients. You can see it on the fan page and also the group 62 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:46.160 page which automatically populates to earth Ancients dot com and then go to Facebook Feed 63 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:53.439 Fabulous news Fabulous. You gotta love it. I mean, I love this 64 00:06:53.439 --> 00:07:01.240 guy. He's amazing, fantastic. Today's program is on Sakara, and I've 65 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:05.279 been to Sakara four times. It's a fabulous place. It's very very, 66 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:12.360 very old and what we're talking about, and today we're presenting a book called 67 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.879 The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid by Steve Kalman. And this is a 68 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:26.720 computer scientist who went to Sakara and saw some very very advanced design in the 69 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:32.639 buildings in the pyramid. He was able to meet with a number of people, 70 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:40.040 including Jean Philippe Lauer, who was the French archaeologist who spent over fifty 71 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:46.920 years excavating Sakara. And also Steve met with and we're gonna hear about this 72 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.639 today, a wisdom keeper, an indigenous archaeologist, which are very rare. 73 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:58.720 Right now, we've had Paulette Steve's on the program from Canada. But Hakim 74 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.879 Erwin is a he passed away, Oh God in two thousand and eight. 75 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.319 I never got a chance to meet him, but he was a keeper of 76 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:20.120 traditional wisdom and combined it with classical archaeology to really cross over from orthodox thinking, 77 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:26.319 which is very rigid and inflexible, to more details about what we talk 78 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:33.759 about, which are subtle energies and the unseen reality that the Egyptians really embodied 79 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:41.039 in a lot of their buildings. So today's program is revealing, and I'm 80 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.799 gonna I had a chance to speak with Jen Dale or in house archaeologists about 81 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:52.639 this. We both went to Sakara in twenty eighteen and had a chance to 82 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:58.879 see what is known as the hospital and the chapels, which are featured discussion 83 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.240 today. And Jin stopped by just for a few minutes, and here's what 84 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:11.960 she had to say regarding her experience there at Sakara, Egypt. I've been 85 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.159 to Egypt now it's going on four times. We'll be going on our fifth 86 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:22.360 next year, may excuse me. April twenty eighth through me ninth. And 87 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:28.519 I've had the great fortune of visiting Sakara, and I have with me the 88 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.720 wonderful, the lovely Jendo, who also was with actually that she was with 89 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.879 me on the very first tour Jin where are you. Yeah, very The 90 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.440 very first time we had a chance to go to Egypt, Jin was there, 91 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.159 and I mean I was so blown away. I know, Jen was 92 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:52.320 like, what the hell is going on here? Forget it by Ayahuaska. 93 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.720 This is a big enough trip by itself. But I wanted to talk to 94 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:00.840 you Jin just a little bit about her impressions of Sakara because our theme today 95 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.879 is this book The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid, and my guest is 96 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.320 Steve Calaman. We're going to have him on a little bit later, but 97 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.639 I wanted Gin to come on as an archaeologist to give us her impression. 98 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:18.159 And Gin specifically, I mean the Step pyramids kind of rudimentary, it's kind 99 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.559 of like, ah, so what. But the area that I was fascinated 100 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.440 by, and I think you were too, was the area that Mohammad titled 101 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.600 the hospital area. Yeah for sure. Yeah. What was it about that 102 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:35.240 area that was so unique for you? Oh my gosh. There were a 103 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.519 lot of different things, but I'm just going to call out like the big 104 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.159 top of mind things that like just kind of blew my mind. So as 105 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:50.000 you walk through the hospital doing air quotes, the structure itself doesn't look like 106 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:56.200 really anything else that you've seen when you've traveled around Egypt, because the columns 107 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.559 are different, even just the setting and how the building is laid out. 108 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.440 You know, you walk through this long colonnade and then to either side of 109 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:09.960 you there are these small little rooms, and then within these little rooms you've 110 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.399 got a little niche. Not in all of them, but I believe that 111 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.519 there are in some of them. That was astounding to me because you think, 112 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.039 yeah, it's a doctor's office. That makes sense, that makes perfect 113 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.159 sense. Exactly. The other thing, and this might not be something top 114 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.519 of mind for you, but I found it fascinating was that the stain on 115 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:33.120 the stone still existed, that honey mixture that they stained the walls with, 116 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.840 which would have created you know, honey is antibacterial, so it would have 117 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.960 really created a space that you know, was for healing. Yeah, and 118 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.639 then I think that the other big thing about that area again, there's this 119 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:54.879 big open area. It would have been where Im Hopedep did his jubilee celebration, 120 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:00.279 all that good stuff, right, but there was that massive when we 121 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.159 were there, it was a hole. Maybe it's not a hole anymore, 122 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.639 the east side pit. Yeah, yeah, we stuck her head down there, 123 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.960 and you didn't get a chance to come to the following two years later 124 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.600 they made that available to go down. We went down into that pit. 125 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.159 Yeah, was in it. Well, there's supposed to be a sarcophagus, 126 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.080 they kept saying it. But it had huge granite slabs that made up a 127 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:30.720 big box. Oh okay, and it had a plug, this weird plug 128 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.639 in it at the top. And it's like, this is not a sarcophagus. 129 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.360 Yeah. I mean, even during the time that I was there, 130 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.679 you could look down and see that, which you know, again very very 131 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.240 cool. You could just see the glimpse of it. Remember, the light 132 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.639 was cascading in. It was pretty. It was vague. They get best, 133 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.559 okay. And so the last thing that blew my mind was so you 134 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.919 have the room with the colonnade, you go to the side of it, 135 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.000 and then you have these I guess anti chambers are different. It's a structure, 136 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.879 but I don't even know how to categorize it, because it would have 137 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.200 had some sort of a roof on it to create some level of privacy. 138 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:13.919 But as you go into those, you have the little niches that are very 139 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.960 apparent or obvious, and okay, when you go into them. There is 140 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.480 a vibration that you experience when you put your head in it. Okay, 141 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:26.759 this is what I'm gladating because this is this is like I'm thinking, I'm 142 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.200 looking at it, jin going Okay. Now, I went to Orthodox school 143 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.039 and I was told how to this has to be you know, very you 144 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:41.559 know, linear and understandable. We're told that that is nobody knows what that 145 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.240 thumping is about. Right, Yeah, put your head and that that little 146 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:50.480 niche a Muhammad. Our guy was saying, there's a lot of water going 147 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:56.919 underneath that area, but what's causing that weird thumping sound. Everybody heard it, 148 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.039 Yes they heard it, but they were different variations of the thumping in 149 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:07.720 the various different niches that you put. Yeah, I'm trying to remember what 150 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.039 the gentleman's name on our trip was. Oh, Australian anyway, he was 151 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.360 a Andrew. Yeah, Andrew Andrew. Yes, I can't believe I can't 152 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:22.240 remember his name. But he had a measurement tool where he could measure the 153 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:26.600 hurts and we're coming out right, and he measured them and they were all 154 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.919 different, or the four that he measured were different. He had it on 155 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.840 his phone, So you know that can mean a lot of different things. 156 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:41.360 It can. You know, everything has its own signature energetically, I imagine. 157 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.759 I believe that to be true. We know that through science, so 158 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:52.600 you know who's who's saying what that is. But if sound healing or sound 159 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:58.960 vibration healing was you know in vogue during the Old Kingdom, it was going 160 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.799 on there. God, you know, it's so weird. I keep thinking 161 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.960 of those and I'm always impressed. I haven't been all through Egypt to see 162 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:16.120 all the temples, but that whole hospital area is so unique. It's really 163 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:22.480 out of place. It seems so out of place. It seems like it 164 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.320 does right, and it doesn't seem like it was created by any of the 165 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:33.679 dynastic people. Well here's another interesting thing. So there was just another documentary 166 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.639 that came out on Netflix about Egypt Unknown, and it features your favorite guy 167 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.759 on Mine, Zahi Hawass. I know, I know. One of the 168 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.000 things that I thought was really interesting about it, and I don't think that 169 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.279 this is a new fine, but to see the pictures of them in C 170 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.159 two and the photographs of this discovery, there was a woman that they found 171 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:03.720 who was Old Kingdom, who was she wasn't mummified appropriately, or she maybe 172 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.399 she wasn't mummified at all. They weren't certain. And I didn't really get 173 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.559 the impression that they understood what the conservation of her body was all about in 174 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:15.039 the moment that they found her. And that makes sense, they'll figure that 175 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:22.960 out. But what she did have was just an extraordinary amount of just decoration 176 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.360 and jewelry on her body. She wasn't a you know, she wasn't a 177 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:32.279 pharaoh or a queen or anything that we know of. She was buried in 178 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:41.000 a very nondescript way. It wasn't a very elaborate or a super conspicuous type 179 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.039 of burial. She was buried in a plane limestone sarcophagus, and it was 180 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:49.919 quite large, quite quite big. Where did we find her in one of 181 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.240 the local she was? She was, Yeah, she was. She was 182 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:02.240 in a shared burial pit that was being used during many different versions of you 183 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:04.960 know, the different kingdoms. But I thought it was interesting that they honed 184 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.920 in on this old kingdom burial, you know, amongst all of the other 185 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.319 items that they found in there. It was I mean, it was an 186 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:17.519 amazing discovery regardless. But um, I have a feeling that Sakara has some 187 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.359 It just has tons of secrets yet to be found. I mean, two 188 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.079 years ago they found the Babastion, which is that elaborate cat you know, 189 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:33.799 cat and animal burial that's just yeah, exactly, and you know they're still 190 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:38.240 finding things in that and they're probably going to for you know, the next 191 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:44.119 twenty years. I don't know why. There's why there's such a huge problem 192 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:49.640 about doing some scanning of that area, especially ground penetrating radar. There's such 193 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:56.680 a hesitancy to use it. It would really advance our understanding of what's underground 194 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:02.079 because you know, at the very beginning of our awkward you're bringing up these 195 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.359 thumping sound and how they're different in each one of those chapels or those rooms. 196 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.119 It's like, what is that all about? Yeah, wouldn't they want 197 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:14.480 to know about that? I mean, is it is it a fear of 198 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.200 perhaps learning of some high technology that makes them go, okay, we had 199 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:25.240 to rewrite the books? Well, I mean, rewriting history is definitely daunting. 200 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.119 I'm not going to say that that doesn't play into it, but I 201 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:34.359 would gander or bet that Egypt just simply does not have the money to excavate 202 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:41.279 these sites that you know, ground penetrating radar would find or I just don't 203 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.240 think that. And I'm not saying this to like, you know, bag 204 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:51.000 on Egypt, but the money that they have, they certainly don't use for, 205 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:55.680 you know, upkeep of their sites the way that we might think that 206 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:57.640 they would. I mean, we've been to those sites. They're they're paying 207 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.640 folks and they should that that's great, but you know, the sites are 208 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.640 probably incredibly expensive to repair and keep in good shape and keep tourists in. 209 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.559 So I think they focus on what they have and think that that's enough. 210 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.759 They left me. You think you're saying that if they open they find something 211 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:23.039 that's unusual, it's going to open a can of worms of them having to 212 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:30.440 start digging, digging and revealing what they found, is what you're saying. 213 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.039 Yeah, And I think that that's expensive in multiple ways. It's expensive financially, 214 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:41.480 it's expensive culturally, it's expensive to rewrite history or to say hey, 215 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:47.920 time out. We might have been wrong about this because we know Egyptologists don't 216 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:51.359 like to do that too much, which is kind of sad. I think 217 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:56.240 in many ways, we go to these sites and we see these wonderful temples, 218 00:19:56.319 --> 00:20:00.000 pyramids, buildings, and go, wow, we want to know more 219 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:04.079 or and I think I don't know I personally, maybe it's because I go 220 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:08.839 there every year. I feel a little frustrated. Open the doors to the 221 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.880 pearly gates. Let me see more, let me see more as hell, 222 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:17.240 And I mean an archaeology is incredibly destructive. I mean, by nature, 223 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.720 it's incredibly destructive. What do you mean by that? Once you excavate something, 224 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:25.119 it's done, it's gone. I mean you're not going to find anything 225 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:30.079 else there because you've taken all of the cultural remains away. So you mean 226 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.599 earlier, I mean, so you'll be digging down into a site and you 227 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.200 may unload the temples and stuff on top. Well, I mean you're you're 228 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:42.240 you're digging down through you know, the geology of the area, through the 229 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:48.200 soils. So once you remove that cultural layer, it's gone. You know. 230 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.640 It doesn't mean that people shouldn't go down further, because perhaps they should, 231 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.839 and they choose not to. But it's archaeology is destructive by nature. 232 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:04.960 Okay, Well that's a good segue. You know, it's funny because I've 233 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.480 seen pictures of you out I don't know, if it's the Middle East, 234 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:15.880 diggy in the trenches and looks like you have like really either shovels or hand 235 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:21.440 tools or some kind of you're working on that hill or digging it through, 236 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:29.000 so you know firsthand, I guess that was a twelve foot deep Neolithic trash 237 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:33.279 heap. So that's where potter pottery shards and things were. Um, no 238 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:38.000 pottery, it was pre pottery, Neolithic, pre pottery before they were doing 239 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:41.680 anything like that. So it's some of the earliest stuff and that was in 240 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.799 Jordan. But yes, yes, it's very district, real quickly, and 241 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.759 then we're gonna let you go. Do you think when we see places like 242 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:53.440 Sakara that there is a missing part of their history, perhaps an advanced culture 243 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.799 that came that isn't in the books because the books were destroyed or what. 244 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.839 Well, I'm I mean, do I think that there's something that predates the 245 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:10.559 Old Kingdom? Yes, because when Old Kingdom shows up, it's it's a 246 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.519 full blown culture. That's true. So I mean I feel like there's got 247 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.720 to be something. It needs to have a predecessor of some sort. Now 248 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.519 what that is, I don't really know. I mean I feel that way 249 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:26.519 about the Sumerians as well. They're kind of a fully cooked culture already. 250 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.279 Just rive. Yeah, it kind of seems like it, doesn't it amazing 251 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:36.440 where from Jendo. Always great to see you. We'll get you back here 252 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:41.960 real soon. Sounds good, see a cliff. Always good to speak to 253 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:48.880 Jen, And she's very insightful and of course a traditional archaeologist who has done 254 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.680 a great deal of field research on her own. So, by the way, 255 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:59.440 our program next week is with Professor Robert Temple, who wrote this amazing 256 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:06.680 book called All the Serious Mystery based on his research of the Dugon people of 257 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.000 Africa. And I've been I'm studying preparing for that interview, which will be 258 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.519 early next week. This is not a program to be missed because this book, 259 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.960 The Serious Mystery is really quite an amazing study. It was such a 260 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:29.839 riveting report in this book that people like Carl Sagan and many of the Orthodox 261 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.880 just had a cow and said it was all bs and stuff like this and 262 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:41.000 this. And Temple doesn't screw around. His research is the epitome of good 263 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.680 research. And he's got references and statements all through it. But anyhow, 264 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.400 that's next week. Jen's gonna join me real quickly to talk about the Dugon, 265 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:55.759 so we can expect to hear from her again in next week's program. 266 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.759 All right, today's program is the Secret Code of the Step Pyramid of Dozier 267 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:07.119 at Sakara. Ancient wisdom revealed. And my guest today is Steve Kalman. 268 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.759 Hey, this is Cliff Dunning and Ed Barnhart inviting you to join us November 269 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.240 tenth to the seventeenth as we visit and explore Mexico. This is your opportunity 270 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:34.480 to come and join us for a week of exploration, fun and sites that 271 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:40.960 you will not typically go. What's unique about Polenki ed Polenk is a beautiful 272 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:45.519 site, but what people normally see is just a fraction. I know where 273 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.519 all the hidden temples are out there in the jungle, and I'm gonna bring 274 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.119 us there amazing. All right. For more information, go to Earth Ancients 275 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.880 dot com, forward slash Tours t O U r S. Come out and 276 00:24:56.960 --> 00:26:00.519 join editing myself for one week of fun, adventure and exploration. Every year 277 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.720 we do an amazing tour. We call it the Grand Egyptian Tour, and 278 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:08.440 we've been doing it for We're coming up on our fifth year and one of 279 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:15.559 the great sites that we visit is Sakara, and Sakara is considered very, 280 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:22.640 very old. It includes a pyramid, the Dojoor Pyramid, the Step Pyramid, 281 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:29.240 which many archaeologists, many Egyptologists, believe is older than most of the 282 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:34.000 pyramids on the Giza Plateau. I have an issue with that, But other 283 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:41.480 than that, it is Sakara is a wonderful place. They keep finding more 284 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:48.720 and more evidence of early early people there and it's fascinating to go in the 285 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.680 tunnels into the crypts, and every time we visit it is an eye opener. 286 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:59.240 My guest today has written a book called The Secret Code of the Step 287 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:06.519 Pyramid of Dojer at Sakara, Ancient Wisdom Revealed. And he takes a good 288 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:12.640 look not only at the Step Pyramid, but at the surrounding necropolis of Sakara, 289 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:18.839 which are the buildings and temples and surrounding pyramids in the area. And 290 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:26.279 he also looks at the architect behind that entire area. In Hope Tep. 291 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:33.039 He is an old Kingdom physician. We're going to talk a great deal about 292 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:37.680 him, as well as King Dojer himself. And I gotta tell you this 293 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:41.279 is a book to get He just came out with it a couple of years 294 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:47.680 ago, and it is filled with wonderful photographs of his own making, as 295 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:53.640 well as a number of unusual photographs of the excavation of Dojor Pyramid. My 296 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.319 guest today is Steve Kalman. He's coming to us from Ohio. Steve, 297 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:03.160 Welcome to Earth Ancients. It's great to have you on the program. Pleasure 298 00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:07.319 to be here. Thank you for having me talk about the title. The 299 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:14.680 secret code of the Step Pyramid is the code what you uncovered in the design. 300 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.119 Why would you say secret code, just the whole what you discovered after 301 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:26.759 visiting the site many times. It's more the architectural not so much a secret 302 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.240 because it's all out there in the open. But if you look at it 303 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:34.000 with a different pair of eyes, you can see some of the things that 304 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:42.079 Imotep tried to impart as far as the design of it. The thing is 305 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:49.400 it was a project that was went through five or six different building projects, 306 00:28:51.000 --> 00:29:00.400 so he was able to evolve his original intention towards providing a burial place for 307 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:06.720 his king. But then he went up more a bit farther and he added 308 00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:12.000 something called the heaven Said Court, which in those days was a temporary facility 309 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:21.200 made of wood or other materials that could easily be dismantled and taken throughout the 310 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:29.240 country to celebrate the king's continued reign through the head he said festival. So 311 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:37.279 he is an interesting individual, and by studying the architecture, the almost get 312 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:44.960 a sense of the man himself. It's it's very different from every other pyramid 313 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:52.480 or temple complex. It was never added onto like other temples, like said 314 00:29:52.599 --> 00:30:00.119 karnak Or in Memphis at the Temple of Toss that there was always ongoing as 315 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:10.480 to these temple complexes. But this thing seems to have survived in its pristine 316 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.039 architecture, even though it was dismantled. The limestone was carted off and reused 317 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:23.000 for other projects. So it was a kind of a labor of love for 318 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:32.519 me just to dove into what he was attempting to do and for what he 319 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:40.559 was giving us in the future and teaching us through this architecture and what he 320 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:48.599 was focusing on. I think it's important to realize that this particular step pyramid 321 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.440 is by far. I think now that I've studied it so long, that 322 00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.839 it's far more interesting than say that all the Pyramids at Geezer because yeah, 323 00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.599 it's got so much going on, it really does. Yeah, you know, 324 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.200 I want to say that it must have been a real thrill to meet 325 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:12.119 the architect, the archaeologist who worked on Gene Philippe Lauer. You had a 326 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.640 chance to meet with him. Did he give you a sense that through interpreter, 327 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:23.880 that it was a constant discovery in his excavation or was it just a 328 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.119 job? I mean he was there for what fifty years? Wasn't he almost 329 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.880 like seventy years? Wow? Yeah, almost up until the day he died. 330 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.599 I think, except for the last year. He worked on that project 331 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:42.480 for over seventy years. It's amazing just to see video of him working with 332 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:52.039 the Egyptian artisans rebuilding things, putting things back together, you know, replacing 333 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.000 stonework that was missing. He was an interesting fellow. I mean we didn't 334 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.880 talk to him all that long, but even though it was brief, I 335 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:07.000 was really impressed by his acumen and his stick duitiveness. It's just to stay 336 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.839 there for many years. Now I understand why he was so obsessed with it. 337 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.960 It's been so funny because when when whenever we're there, Muhammad mentions when 338 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.759 we're on Elephantine Island, that there's a German group that's been there for over 339 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.680 fifty years continually excavating that one little bit lot. So it must be just 340 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:32.119 so amazing to uncover ancient relics and artifacts that you just can't leave it. 341 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:40.079 Yeah, and it's even the smaller things that they discovered, just inscriptions, 342 00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:45.599 that sends them down a different path than they thought they were going to go 343 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:51.400 on. So it Yeah, I gotta I gotta give them credit. It's 344 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.519 it was worth it the effort. And yea, his efforts, I was 345 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.920 able to glean a lot more. Yeah, it's a gorgeous place. I 346 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:04.680 want to mention that you are a retired computer systems engineer hailing in Cleveland, 347 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:09.400 Ohio, also a musician, and so you have an analytic brain. It's 348 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.960 just that that's your makeup. And so what we're going to start talking about 349 00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.839 today does get a little not too technical, but you do get into some 350 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.279 sacred geometry that I do want to bring up, which is very very important. 351 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.160 What do we know? Oh and by the way, not only did 352 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:32.480 you meet Jean Philippe Lauer, the archaeologist who was in charge of excavating Sakara 353 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:38.079 one of your influences and your dedication of the book is Hakim Erwin, who 354 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.720 is an I call him an esoteric archaeologist. I've known about him quite a 355 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.720 long time. Talk about his influence on you and what he felt was an 356 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:54.160 important contribution of Sakara. Well, the two trips I took there, we 357 00:33:54.279 --> 00:34:00.519 had Hakim as our tour guide. Yeah, and he would always give us 358 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.360 a greater understanding of what lay behind just these blocks of stone, you know, 359 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:13.559 the reason for these things. And when we got to Sakara, he 360 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:19.039 was talking about it as being a temple of healing, a sacred place for 361 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:25.280 healing with sound, which kind of rather profound when you think about it, 362 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:32.199 because recently are they starting to use ultra high frequencies for healing. And it's 363 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:40.960 his influence I think just opened up my eyes to greater possibilities. There's more 364 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.719 than just a pile of rocks sitting here. There's something but else going on. 365 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.400 Yeah. So he was quite an interesting fellow in and of itself. 366 00:34:52.480 --> 00:35:00.960 I think the people who were given the opportunity to have him as his tour 367 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:07.000 guide were probably given the best treat I think, because I thought he was 368 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.519 unique of all the tour guides. You talk to other people who have gone 369 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.599 to Egypt, and you get this canned yeah speach and it's like, yeah, 370 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.000 okay, what else is going on here? And they're just, you 371 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.719 know, give you a blank stare. But yeah, what he's talking about 372 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:30.440 esoteric knowledge, that's like some of the sacred texts and sacred data that was 373 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.639 handed down by his teachers. I guess right, yes, quite. And 374 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:43.800 more than that, his um families, the family of his uncle, gave 375 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:51.320 him a greater understanding. And these these wisdom keepers are rather amazing in African 376 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:58.519 cultures. These well call them basically walking history books. Just the amount of 377 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:05.920 day that they're able to remember. And then part And I think he he 378 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:12.480 was very unique and I truly respected him. Yeah, very cool. Let's 379 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.280 talk about Imhotep. He is a visier, which is a prime minister. 380 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:25.199 He lived around twenty six hundred BC. He was the chief architect for King 381 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.039 Dozier. Talk a little bit about this guy. He is truly a renaissance 382 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.960 man. You actually call him a polymath, which is a genius in a 383 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.119 number of different fields. But what's what's uh, what's this guy all about? 384 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.480 He comes out of nowhere and later he becomes a god. I guess 385 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:52.039 yes he was. I think the men like triad was the god Pata sex 386 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.800 and effort m, and he replaced an effort Um as one of the gods 387 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:06.159 of men. This he People think he came out of nowhere, but I 388 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:12.320 don't think that's actually actually true. His father was Conos, who was himself 389 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:19.920 a royal architect, and his mother was Karduwak. And it's interesting that not 390 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:25.480 only was Imhotep deified as a god, but so was his mother. It's 391 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:36.119 relatively recent discovery, and she was It's difficult to know anything about him because 392 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.519 we don't have their tomb to look at, and usually they'll inscribe something about 393 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:45.719 their life in the tomb. But the fact is most of the history of 394 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:52.559 ancient Egypt, a son followed his father in his profession, so he inherited 395 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.519 the title of royal architect from his father. But the interesting thing is he 396 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.920 was also the royal physician, so we don't really know where that is. 397 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:10.519 My intuition tells me that maybe some person in his mother's family was a physician 398 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:17.360 and that's why he had sort of had a dual occupation, and maybe even 399 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:24.519 his mother was a physician, because some of the earliest mentions of doctors and 400 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:31.199 physicians in ancient Egypt included female physicians. I think the earliest mention of a 401 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:39.639 physician was a woman named Marit Pata. She was actually the king's physician, 402 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.559 and I think it was of a king prior to Jose or just after, 403 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:52.000 but it was. It's important to realize that women were part of the medical 404 00:38:52.039 --> 00:39:00.480 profession. So it's entirely possible on his mother's side that she was a product 405 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:07.159 of this vast family that were architects on one side and doctors on the other 406 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:17.679 side, and he was. You know, it are the intriguing issue, 407 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.840 if it's an issue at all with m. Hotel, is that he was 408 00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:30.519 considered to be a commoner who was raised up to this exalted position and based 409 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.760 on all of his titles, especially one called hereditary Lord. This also leads 410 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:45.559 into the common practice of inheriting your father's title and profession and position, in 411 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:52.199 this case within the court. So he wasn't really somebody from out of nowhere. 412 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.480 He was part of the Egyptian elite and a courtier, and he was 413 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.400 It's hard to describe this guy because his mind must have gone all over. 414 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.440 He's kind of like a da Vinci, you know, Leonardo da Vinci more 415 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:15.840 so than that. Yeah, he was the chief carpenter and sculptor, vizier, 416 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.760 which is a prime minister of Egypt, Royal physician, royal architect, 417 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.719 the what were some of the other titles he had. I mean, he 418 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:35.840 had like sixteen titles that he accumulated over the central and he was the man 419 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:44.159 was just must have had a totally expansive mind. I can't imagine anybody in 420 00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:50.440 recent history, even going back to the Italian Renaissance, who could even come 421 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.800 close to this guy. Yeah. Now, one of the things I want 422 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:59.719 to mention is that you bring up a civilization, very very early civilization called 423 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:07.199 Msue Horror, who's prior to the first dynasty. They go back as far 424 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:16.320 as recommended or suggested thirty thousand years, and you hint that m Hotep may 425 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:22.679 have had documents from earlier civilizations. And I have to ask you this. 426 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.440 The architectural design of this area known as the hospital, which we're going to 427 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.440 talk about in a second, is so different from anything else I've ever seen 428 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.239 in Egypt. It's it's almost like it comes out of another period. Talk 429 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:43.079 a little bit about your impression of that. They're called the chapels. Yeah, 430 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:51.280 they're called chapels because that's the only archaeologists have for those. Yeah, 431 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:57.119 it didn't initially. The he said court, which are where these chapels are, 432 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:04.000 served as a festival site for It's called the Festival of the Bull's Tail, 433 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:09.000 where the pharaoh would go around a circuit kind of like a race track 434 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:20.159 with two large monolithic pieces of stonework on either side of this track. He 435 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:27.239 would run this course and it solidified his reign as a pharaoh, so he 436 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:32.079 would basically continue on being a pharaoh. Supposedly they were given on the thirtieth 437 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:37.639 anniversary of his assigning the throne, but most pharaohs didn't live that long, 438 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:44.719 so they would often do this sooner. The thing about the heab said court 439 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:51.079 is that it has features which are part of the heab said ceremonies. For 440 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.320 example, the daists that's at the south end of the court, and a 441 00:42:54.360 --> 00:43:02.920 couple of chapels which may have served to have royal effigies in I believe would 442 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:14.679 or similar similar makeup. But then after the said's over and after all the 443 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:21.800 people have left, what would this he said court function as now, maybe 444 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.519 other pharaohs used the he said court or the Great South Court to the south 445 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:32.039 of the step pot imperiments for their he said festivals, but have said buildings 446 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.760 as such were temporary structures, and they were meant to be broken down and 447 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:45.519 taken down the Nile to other major interesting and they would perform the ceremonies at 448 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.639 that point and then break them down and take them further south. And this 449 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:59.800 is how the pharaoh interacted, which is people and they kind of instead of 450 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.840 because this the civilization is on Nile rivers like seven hundred miles long, and 451 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:12.400 even though traversing the Nile is considerably faster than traveling overland, people may have 452 00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:19.440 felt distant from their pharaoh. And so the heb said went a long way 453 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:27.960 and solidifying his relationship with people and also legitimizing his reign. But the odd 454 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.760 thing is it wasn't until the eighteenth dynasty, about thirteen hundred years later, 455 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:39.000 when permanent stone built he said sites were constructed. I'm going to hope that 456 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:45.599 the third had two heab said festivals and a site that was constructed of stone. 457 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:52.440 So this one was in the third dynasty of the Old Kingdom is extremely 458 00:44:52.480 --> 00:45:00.559 different. I can't emphasize more that the fact that it's an anomaly le lends 459 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.920 itself to being interpreted in more than just being a festival site. For ye. 460 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.599 And this is what you spend most of your book on. Is this 461 00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:21.400 area known as the heapset Court right? And not only is it arch architecturally 462 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:28.119 amazing and unique, and it seems totally out of place there, uh we 463 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:32.679 we learned later that uh it is a healing center, it's a hospital. 464 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:44.840 And you hypothesize that the design is based on the human skeletal system. Talk 465 00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:51.320 about this and this is this is actually a brilliant theory simply because when I 466 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:58.519 go there, I we go to the chapel Uh one and two which are 467 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.719 the ones. Part of zero is still around, but one and two is 468 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.840 there. Now you can hear a very faint thump if you stick your head 469 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.719 in one of these cubicles. But I want you to explain a little bit 470 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.360 of what your theory is. And in the minute here we're going to talk 471 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:20.000 about the healing process which is very very unusual that was taking place at this 472 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:28.639 at these chapels. Well, the first place you approach when you go to 473 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:37.239 the step pyramid enclosure is the entrance hall. The entrance hall is has is 474 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:44.199 a unique architecture. The pillars or the columns down the hall are attached to 475 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:50.760 the side walls right and archaeologists said, well, m. Hotel wasn't very 476 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:57.239 confident that these pillars, which resemble read bundles used in domestic architecture, would 477 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:02.159 stand on their own. The problem with that is at the end of the 478 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:08.960 entrance fall there are four standalone columns ranted they look like double columns in the 479 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:15.159 Eggit vestibule. And then when you go out to the Great South Court they 480 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.119 are standalone. I mean they're not attached to walls or anything like that. 481 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:27.280 So I looked at at this entrance fall and for many many times I intuitively 482 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.199 I said, there's a human spine in this. So if you take a 483 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.159 ground plan out of the hall and reverse the colors black to white and white 484 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.880 to black, something that resembles the human spine pops out. There are things 485 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:51.280 in our spine called traverses or transverses. There are bony growth that are on 486 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.320 the sides, some of which are attached to our rib cage. But I 487 00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.119 felt it was the one thing that was really just stood out. Is the 488 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:07.760 entrance vestibule when you walk right in, it is trapezoid in shape, which 489 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:12.599 is very reminiscent of the human satrum, which is the pelvis. Yeah, 490 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.400 and that sort of led me like, this can't be a coincidence. But 491 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.800 as I went further on, it was more and more apparent that the spaces 492 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:28.840 between the columns were meant to resemble the human spine. But I was running 493 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.719 up a problem. We have twenty four bones in our spine, but we're 494 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.320 only twenty two spaces. Now, what's going on here? I goes right 495 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:42.360 hand, and I couldn't figure out what the heck. So I kept looking 496 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.719 at this and friends of mine, who are a couple of them were nurses, 497 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:46.679 and I said, and one of them, I said, oh yeah, 498 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.679 at T three, you've got the bones of the arm attached there. 499 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:57.519 So instead of being a space for a T three and L five, which 500 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:04.760 is where the appended the legs and arms are attached him, Hotel changed the 501 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.239 sense. So you really have to pay pay attention to get that. I 502 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.000 mean, you're gonna say twenty two spaces and so what. But there's twenty 503 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:21.199 two spaces and two sets of columns that are meant to point you towards the 504 00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.719 spots or the places on the spine where the legs and the arms are attached. 505 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.599 And then in the egit vegetable view where you have these four rectangular shape 506 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:37.320 pillars, there's other things going on. The spaces equal bone and in those 507 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:44.280 spaces you have the eight primary bones of the skull, the two sides, 508 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.719 the front and the back, the jaw, and the nasal bones. And 509 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:53.079 it's get You can't walk away from this and saying it's all a coincident because 510 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:59.480 it's anatomically correct. Let me stop you. Right, there is their course 511 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:05.840 stuff corresponding buildings that are close to those areas of the spine, like there's 512 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.280 Chapel zero, one, two, three, four and so forth. Do 513 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:15.519 those correspond with a pathway that connects to an area that may have been a 514 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.679 treatment center for various parts of the body. Not in the entrance hall itself, 515 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:27.599 however, there is a doorway that goes out and eventually goes into the 516 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.480 headset cord. How that is at a space which was at L three, 517 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:36.639 And a nurse friend of ours said, oh, that's L three is where 518 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:42.360 the spinal cord exits. The spine, the interior core of a spine and 519 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:47.119 goes out to the parasympathetic nervous system. And she was told a story that 520 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:52.760 they had to be sure when they give spinal injections that they miss they get 521 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:58.280 it lower than L three, so that the L three goes out to the 522 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.480 L three doorway, I should say, goes out to the head set cord. 523 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.800 And the east chapels there are twelve of them. Are have a unique 524 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:12.480 design and for some reason I just picked up on the thing. If you 525 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:19.320 look at a human brain, we have these folds and very undulating pattern on 526 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.679 the brain. And the east chapels, they're twelve of them have that same 527 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:30.679 undulating type of architect you know, architecture. For your answer, and you 528 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.440 have to go around the corner in such a and those correspond to the twelve 529 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.760 cranial nerves. Yeah, this is brilliant. Now. Of course, this 530 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:45.000 parallels the work of Schwaller Delubich in his book The Temple of Man, where 531 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.719 he looks at looks our Temple. And this is what John Anthony West used 532 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:57.440 for his book The Striping in the Sky. The study of de Lubich's skeletal 533 00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:02.760 frame within the so Or temple and the energetics. Now, I don't think 534 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:10.559 John Anthony West goes far enough and understanding this, and I don't think he 535 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:17.599 possibly knew it. But it's possible that these temples sit on geomagnetic lay lines 536 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:23.599 underneath them that are pumping up to lyric energy into the atmosphere. What is 537 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:30.320 your sense. Did Hakim talk to you at all about geomagnetic energy coming up 538 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:36.119 through these temples to assist healing? Now? I don't think delus His idea 539 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:43.599 was more that this is a something to consider in how the Egyptians designed their 540 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:51.719 temples. But what do you say in this healing area at Sakara that is 541 00:52:51.760 --> 00:53:00.920 a possibility for energetics. Well, Hakim mentioned that he thought there were how 542 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:10.199 many in states, like twenty two underground springs or underground vaults, and until 543 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.800 recently there hasn't been any confirmation on that. And then they've got those three 544 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:22.599 large they're called masses or magazines or storage magazines, which have a lot of 545 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:30.960 underground tunnels, and there are several other tombs which have very elaborate tunnel systems 546 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.960 in there. But recently they did a ground penning trading radar and they found 547 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:44.400 a tunnel going from the south to against the south wall to the main burial 548 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:49.639 chambers within the step pyramid, and there's there's like three other ones that go 549 00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:58.360 from the eastern side that go into those burial chambers. So there's a lot 550 00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:02.239 of things going on there. And if you have to also remember that during 551 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:08.119 the time period when this temple complex was built, Egypt was a far more 552 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:15.760 green and verdant environment. What we see nowadays occurred about one hundred and fifty 553 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.480 to two hundred years later when it became the desert in in hope, that's 554 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.719 time there were trees, plants, flowers, when in fact, in the 555 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:30.599 book there's a wonderful illustation by a guy named Sandro Vanini who had a before 556 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:37.280 and after picture of paintings of what it looked like, and it's hard to 557 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:45.480 imagine that were there were trees, almost like forests in that area. So 558 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:52.920 it's it's quite an interesting conundrum that we don't understand what was the area was 559 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:59.440 like, and it's I think incumbent on us to look at things with a 560 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.679 little bit of more of an open mine. Yeah, you definitely have to 561 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:07.480 when it comes to these early dynastic periods, Yeah, there's probably a lot 562 00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:15.039 more underground water systems because the Nile River was like half a mile closer to 563 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:21.239 the Sakara plateau and it just migrated over the centuries due west, I should 564 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:27.440 say, And so there could be a lot of underground springs. And this 565 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:34.320 is water. Sound energy travels something like five times faster in water. It 566 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:39.559 wouldn't be surprising at all that there are remnants of underground springs and rivers. 567 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:47.760 Did this um underground survey the scans that were done, did they detect anything 568 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.960 in the chapel area, which is what our concentration is, I mean, 569 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.599 because we do know there's a great deal of canals that run water up and 570 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.840 through the whole Giza plateau. I don't think they actually did that they I 571 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:14.159 think it's the Latvian scientific mission, or the Tutelage, or the supervision of 572 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:22.559 a French archaeologist what's his name, Bruno descends or something like that. Anyway, 573 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:28.320 they really concentrated on the Step Pyramid and the Great South Court to the 574 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:35.079 south. I don't think they ever went into the area of the heb said 575 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:42.159 court. They underground tunnels they found went from the east side of the Great 576 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:49.280 Period out to something called the Great Ditch lack of a better name, and 577 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:53.079 that's what they found so far. But I suspect if they did some more 578 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.760 work in the heab said court, which at that time when they did the 579 00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.639 survey, was filled with rubble and large locks of stone, they would have 580 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:07.599 to have that all clear it out and then run the ground penetrating right over 581 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.480 it in order to discover anything. Yeah, we're gonna take a short commercial 582 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:19.119 break to give our sponsors a chance to identify themselves, and we will be 583 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:24.320 right back with my guests today, Steve Calaman and his book The Secret Code 584 00:57:24.559 --> 00:58:07.559 of the Step Pyramid, will be right back. My guest today is Steve 585 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.440 Kelleman, who has written a new book called The Secret Code of the Step 586 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:16.280 Pyramid. Of Doze are at Sakara. Ancient Wisdom Revealed, And this is 587 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.079 a look at a specific area of Sakara known as the Hospital and it's unusual 588 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:31.760 underground system likely waterways, and his belief that the ancient Egyptians used acoustic wave 589 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:40.840 therapy as a form of healing. Let's talk a little bit about this discovery 590 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:46.519 that you made in these chapels, these buildings. Again, they look out 591 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.760 of place. There are very anomalous buildings. They look like they could be 592 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:57.679 nineteen thirties, something you know that you would see in the Americas or in 593 00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:02.559 Europe, very modern style for supposedly being built during the Old Kingdom period, 594 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:07.480 which is almost five thousand years ago. Again, when I was there, 595 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:15.360 we were told to put our head and listen to whatever we could hear. 596 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:19.840 And there was a subtle thump that we kept hearing, like there was some 597 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:27.320 machinery under their or water being dropped into into storage tanks or something very very 598 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:31.920 very very odd. But your belief is and you were told that these are 599 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:39.440 these chapels are resonators and that they were using harmonics for healing. So talk 600 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:46.639 about this discovery, how the patient was interacting with the physician and how the 601 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:54.880 healing was taking place. According to Hakim, the two niches that are in 602 00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:01.639 Chapels one and two, the patient and would sit in there and below the 603 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:14.280 physician would create audible sounds or humming or chanting into Yeah, I think that's 604 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:20.960 what it's called, and it's um. I suspect that when these things were 605 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.719 fully built, and we may not be able to prove it now, that 606 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:34.960 when they were complete the harmonic residences went up to the patient and it may 607 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:44.199 have induced like a trance state through which I think the physician priest would in 608 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:50.800 tone, uh harmonies or sounds. And it's just I mean, our voices 609 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:55.639 only have a very limited range. But they're finding out now that frequencies in 610 01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:02.960 the above the audible range and like one hundred thousand hurts are capable of producing 611 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:10.559 healing of major diseases. So something in the design of these chapels must have 612 01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:20.159 resonated and created a higher frequency, which in turn aided the physician and healing 613 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:25.079 patients. It's difficult to know. I mean, they're so incomplete right now, 614 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:32.400 it's difficult to even guess and to how the whole mechanism worked, but 615 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.880 it'd be interesting to find out. I'm curious, did you ever get an 616 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:44.719 explanation for what is inside the buildings of these chapels. I was always wondering 617 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:54.199 if there was like special stones that were great for resonating or perhaps carrying geomagnetic 618 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:59.119 charge or so forth and so on. Do we know? Did M Well? 619 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:07.079 They were ically filled with limestone bricks or very rough. It would have 620 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:14.199 been about two feet wide, about maybe five inches tall, ten or twelve 621 01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:20.039 inches deep, and they were stacked up and it's loose packed stone in there. 622 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.519 If you go, you can go on top of there, if you're 623 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.719 adventurous enough, you can see the infill material that hit up the inside. 624 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:36.000 They're not hollow um. But being as it's mostly used limestone um, there's 625 01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:40.719 part probably a lot of crystalline material in the stones, like crystal. Yeah, 626 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:49.199 and it just helped amplify the toning that the priests will do interesting talk 627 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.519 a little bit about and you write a good deal about water as an important 628 01:02:52.599 --> 01:03:00.440 conductor of sound. Uh. And this would go into the thinking that perhaps 629 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:10.519 m hopep designed these chapels underneath a waterway or canal carrying water, and perhaps 630 01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:15.400 they would pool underneath each each chapel, so that each chapel was used for 631 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.320 a specific part of the body. But talk a little bit about how water 632 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:28.679 is incorporated. That is highly speculative. But Aquin thought that there were water 633 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:35.760 channels underneath the head, said court. Now how they were used, where 634 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.159 they were located, we just don't know. But water is a conductor of 635 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:50.559 sound electricity more so than for example, like I mentioned, sounded frequencies traveled 636 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.000 through water about four and a half to five times faster than through the air, 637 01:03:53.800 --> 01:04:03.760 so you can rapidly develop a healing I can put a frequency in water 638 01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:18.639 more so than in air. So if there were provable columns or these, 639 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:26.159 if there was some sort of channels of water which have since dried up because 640 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:30.559 of the climate change, then we'd go a long way and try to figure 641 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:35.800 out how these things were used. Hopefully one day we'll we'll actually be able 642 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:44.440 to get into the tunnels that did Latvian scientific mission discovered and see what's going 643 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.079 on there. It's interesting that there's a tunnel going from the south to to 644 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:54.920 the underground chambers in this step pyramid itself. Yeah, I mean that. 645 01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:00.719 I mean I don't know if any other temple or burial site that uses that 646 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.119 kind of underground structure, unless you're talking about Giza and some of the things 647 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:09.480 that might exist there. Yeah, you know, it's funny we mentioned in 648 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:15.400 Hoptep as the architect behind it. But I'm suspicious, and you kind of 649 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.960 give me this suspicion in your writing that he may have found an existing temple 650 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:25.760 and added to it, not not that does your pyramid, but some of 651 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:33.559 these advanced buildings and using his thinking and enhancing that, because this is what 652 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:41.320 a lot of these ancient civilizations do. They'll build on earlier temples. And 653 01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:45.559 we know that the Great Pyramid was modified many times. It's likely. Don't 654 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:54.199 you think that Sakara could have been modified from an earlier people? You know, 655 01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:00.880 yes, it probably was, now depending on your perspective. How far 656 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.719 back in time were these earlier people. Were they relatively recently, within a 657 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:11.519 hundred years of jose building his step pyramid or were they thousands of years? 658 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:17.320 You just don't know. I suspect though, that when Josiah wanted to build 659 01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:24.480 a permanent monster liam for himself and perhaps his family, that they went to 660 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:30.519 Sakaran and they discovered a few unfinished buildings, like what is known as the 661 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:38.320 North and South pavilion. So these I think were mustabas that for some reason 662 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:43.960 they stopped the building, but he took them over and started to renovate them 663 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:50.440 and create these rather ornate looking pavilions, as well as the original Mstaba that 664 01:06:50.639 --> 01:07:00.800 had the two this tomb shaft that originally was to the surface that hadn't finished. 665 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.679 And it's kind of funny if did you get have a chance to go 666 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.519 inside this pyramid this time. Yeah, we will. I've gone twice. 667 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.119 The last two times we visited. We got to go into the heart of 668 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:16.480 the pyramid. Right. Here's the interesting thing that I when I'm looking at 669 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:26.039 all the old photographs from the original excavations, the sarcophagus in the main tumb 670 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:32.960 chamber is the largest one in Egypt. It's bigger than even the bull sarcopha 671 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:43.960 guy at Sarapeum, and the other sarcophagus in the south tomb is a smaller 672 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:48.159 version of it. And it's the only ones in all of Egypt that we're 673 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:55.519 built out of blocks of I think it's grantite if I'm a yeah, And 674 01:07:56.519 --> 01:08:01.639 other sarcopha guy are solid piece of granite that are carved out and then hoisted 675 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:09.760 into position into the tomb. These are the only ones made out of tinker 676 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:15.000 toys. The big strips like big blocks of granite that they've stacked. Yes, 677 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.359 they don't look like SARCOPHAICI at all. They look more exactly And and 678 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:24.199 there's no lid. There's this big giant plug. And the funny thing you 679 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.920 watch other programs on television and they have illustrations and they show a couple of 680 01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.640 guys trying to lift this plug out of the tomb so that they could put 681 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:35.079 in the pharaoh's body. But this thing is two and a half tons. 682 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.119 And that's the suspicion that a lot of people have, especially with the Eastern 683 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:44.000 sarcophagus, is that it's not a resting place for body at all. It 684 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.199 was another some other purpose exactly. And so when if you look at what 685 01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:56.319 the one photograph that was taken when they were first excavating in the interiors that 686 01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:03.880 pyramid, there's a there's about was it seven meters of rocks and rubble that 687 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:10.840 are even with the top of the sarcophagist. My suspicion is imputs have found 688 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:15.600 it that way twenty six hundred BC, and he said, this ain't gonna 689 01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:23.960 work. See that your suspicion is My suspicion is that that he found a 690 01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.720 series of buildings and just just enhanced them. Yeah, I mean, when 691 01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:32.720 you're taking to the fact that Joseph's reign was only nineteen years. Yeah. 692 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:41.279 And there's a egyptologist, an Egyptian egyptologist who I saw him on a program. 693 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:48.199 He took some Stonemasons and they took a wall of limestone and they chipped 694 01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:51.640 away for about an hour and they got in like an inch deep, and 695 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.720 it's a pretty large, you know, entrance size. And what he did 696 01:09:55.760 --> 01:09:59.000 and literally back at the alvelope calculation, he said, well, it would 697 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.000 have taken twenty years, twenty four hours a day with a large expansive crew 698 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:08.439 to kind of dig out all of these tunnels and two and chambers underneath the 699 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:13.680 step pyramid. But Joe's here's ragin only lasted nineteen years, yeah, which 700 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.159 which shows that he probably discovered it when oh yeah, and all the things 701 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:24.119 like there are forty thousand vases and let's talk about that for a minute, 702 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:30.640 Steve this because because you talk about these uh forty thousand and you also write 703 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:35.760 that and some of the vases and stoneware it's marked with kings of the first 704 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:40.800 and second dynasty. Yes, but one of the big questions that have been 705 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:48.199 coming up with these forty thousand pots is that engineers and people in uh ceramic 706 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:54.920 arts have shown that they are of a high skill level. Oh yeah, 707 01:10:54.960 --> 01:11:01.880 and they're not common for any dynastic period simply because the ones that are great 708 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:06.840 elegance and that are in museums must have been cut on a lathe, which 709 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:12.560 is a machine that spins a block of stone very very fast and then it 710 01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:16.439 has to be cut. But some of the stones are quartz hard door, 711 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.760 right, that's very hard to cut. So how in the hell do they 712 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:26.560 cut them so well? They had a technology that we don't understand and have 713 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.720 yet to replicate exactly. You maybe have a simpler way of doing things without 714 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:36.000 the use of a diamond lathe or laser cuts or whatever. Yeah, you 715 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:42.560 just don't know. Now. These vases are, like you said, very 716 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:46.760 very beautiful, very intricately cut. There's one called from the First Dynasty that's 717 01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:50.840 in the Chiro Museum. It's called the disc of Sabu, very very usual. 718 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:57.800 Yeah, it's got three it's a three parts of it are overhanging the 719 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:03.479 interior bowl and it's cut way, it's it's made out of What is this? 720 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.319 What are they doing? How do they do this? And this is 721 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:15.039 why I'm thinking that the High Period, the Classic period of the Old Kingdom 722 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:18.880 is actually greater than say, even the New king because there's a lot of 723 01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:28.279 things going on that we're commonplace. But a rather sad period of time called 724 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:31.399 the First Intermediate Period, when the climate of the whole planet and especially the 725 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:40.720 Nile Valley changed from a green, verdant savannah to a desert that takes up 726 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:46.399 the entire north half of Africa, and whatever reason happened, yet that skill 727 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:54.439 set was lost as well as the esoteric knowledge was lost, and we can't 728 01:12:55.199 --> 01:13:00.439 we could speculate as to what happened there. But the documentation we do have, 729 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:05.039 the first in media period was major civil war. People said said the 730 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:11.119 Pharaoh has failed us, the gods have vailed us, and things just went 731 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:17.159 to hell. Yeah, things got destroyed, Memories were forgotten, esoteric knowledge 732 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:24.640 was destroyed, you know all that, and a lot of this information is 733 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:32.520 um how can I say it? It's it was an oral tradition, right, 734 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:40.000 and when the priests were vacated, had vacated all these temples, things 735 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:46.600 just got lost and they never really were able to reconstructed. Kind of a 736 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:54.159 dark kind of a dark age, very dark. Yeah, stories of cannibalism, 737 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.680 I mean, things got that bad. I'm curious though, I want 738 01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:00.319 you to I'm going to bring up something else that you bring up in the 739 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:09.920 book. Doesn't it feel like in Hotep might have inherited a lot of the 740 01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:14.960 science from a previous people. Perhaps there there are books their texts there, 741 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:17.399 and maybe it was handed down. He was higher up, and he had 742 01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:24.840 access to a sacred library that doesn't exist anymore that had this healing technology and 743 01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:30.239 perhaps other technology. It's entirely possible. Yeah, there's something called the Edwin 744 01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:35.960 Smith Papyrus, which the author of which in ancient Egypt claimed that it came 745 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:43.000 from im Hotep. So having a larger library of eso arret and medical knowledge 746 01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:47.239 is not impossible. It's sad to say, we just don't have any proof 747 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.479 of it, but it seems logical that he did. And again there the 748 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:56.079 oral traditions that were passed down through the temples, and he was a high 749 01:14:56.079 --> 01:15:01.920 priest in the temple in Heliopolis, so that there it's most likely that there 750 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:11.560 was an esoteric tradition that was handed down to him. Given the from an 751 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:21.119 architectural standpoint, using the sacred geometry, the enclosure of what's the fellow's name 752 01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:28.359 up writing about it was a second dynasty. The actually the predecessor to Joser 753 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:40.319 had a very large enclosure in Avendos, and I discovered I thought that Imotep 754 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:45.359 was not operating in a vacuate he had to have some sort of tradition of 755 01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:50.319 sacred geometry that was given through his father and his grandfather, who may have 756 01:15:50.680 --> 01:16:00.760 been architects themselves. So I went and examined this. It's fascinating to see 757 01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:08.039 that the sacred geometry, which even Egyptologists and said, well, that was 758 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:13.039 something that the Greeks invented and carried forward to the Romans, etc. But 759 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:19.439 when the Greeks came and invaded and took over Egypt, they brought back the 760 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:25.000 knowledge of sacred geometry. It's kind of like taking coals back to Newcastle. 761 01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:30.920 It's something that they they returned with it, and it was what I discovered. 762 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:34.560 It was kind of a simplified version of sacred geometry, but it was 763 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:44.079 very prevalent after the rough period of the First Intermediate Period. That doesn't seem 764 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:49.439 to be very widely spread. I haven't done a wide range of looking at 765 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:56.239 plans of other temples from the middle of late New Kingdoms, but they don't 766 01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:02.439 seem to have that level of aherence to sacred geometry. It's something something very 767 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:06.680 close, but it's it's not quite the same. Let's talk about that sacred 768 01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:16.760 geometry you suggest in the South entrance that there is a design that is similar 769 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:21.199 to the human geome. Right now, I want you to talk about that, 770 01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:28.119 because that's that is a very very sophisticated statement number one. Number two. 771 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:34.479 If the Old Kingdom, the Old dynasty had that knowledge, that would 772 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:42.800 be extremely extremely advanced, a very um. It's entirely possible that they inherited 773 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:47.359 this information from an earlier civilization like the Shemsu Bore. Yeah, however they 774 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:53.119 may not have understood it. It's kind of like you're you've got a blueprint 775 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:59.640 for a Boeing seven forty seven and you give it to a very relatively simple 776 01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.159 people and he said, this is a great thing. That's a really great 777 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.039 Steve, that's a great I didn't even think about that. You give somebody 778 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:12.000 the schematics for a machine and say build it, and they're like, well, 779 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.119 I don't know what the hell you're talking about, because I can't. 780 01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:19.159 I'm not I didn't, I don't have the tools. But will worship the 781 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:23.439 gods who created this blue print. Well that's what that's what happens. It 782 01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:29.119 did. Yeah, so the eggs and vestibule uh just pop. If you 783 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:36.000 look at it, it's like two semicircular columns with a central um bunch of 784 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:46.640 stones between them, and to me it looked like the terry telamaries. Um 785 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:57.920 uh, losing my headache. It's telomaries part of the A when like for 786 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:04.319 example, when A when this sperm injects itself into the female egg, it 787 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:15.800 goes through a gene splitting or cell reproduction, cell reproduction at some point it 788 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:20.319 has when it before it becomes two separate cells. It resembles the columns in 789 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:27.359 the eggs and vestibule. Think yeah, so it's at the moment of separation 790 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:32.760 of the one cell into two cells that's called the telomeras and then separates. 791 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:39.159 It comes two separate cells, and nose cells separate, and on and on. 792 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:46.199 Now, the interesting thing is in the entrance hall itself is a replication 793 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:53.560 in the stone. If you go on and take take that further, the 794 01:19:53.720 --> 01:20:03.039 twenty two columns in the entrance hall correspond twenty two of our genes. There 795 01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:09.279 is a twenty Yeah, the DNA that the twenty third is what differentiates male 796 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:14.159 from feldmale. You got two sets for female and two sets for male, 797 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.560 two X chromosomes for female and an X and y. So that makes twenty 798 01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:25.199 three. So if you're going to replicate the human genome, you have the 799 01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:30.800 twenty two columns of the um entrance hall. You go into the exit vestibule 800 01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:35.880 and you have two different sets of columns. Yeah, you still mention twenty 801 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:41.640 third. You're mentioning that. And when you go through that entrance, there's 802 01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:48.600 little rooms between the pillars, and perhaps those rooms were a little examination rooms 803 01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:55.279 or healing rooms or something's going I don't know if that's the case. There 804 01:20:55.399 --> 01:21:01.920 is one there's a pair of of or a chamber which is kind of a 805 01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:09.359 U shaped chamber, and as you go up the spine, the two lungs 806 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.000 are roughly at that position right further up, and you have another chamber off 807 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:20.319 to the north. I call it the heart chamber. This one is a 808 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:29.560 little different in that it's at the position of the let's see the fourth thoracic 809 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:40.439 m spine, spinal bone. Yeah, right around in that area is the 810 01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:46.760 human heart. Right, So you have a number of different parts of the 811 01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:56.039 human body that are relevant to the canopic storage of the bone. The internal 812 01:21:56.159 --> 01:22:01.560 organs when they are put in the anopic jars and stored with the person, 813 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:08.439 the mummy, right, and it's kind of interesting that that still holds true, 814 01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:15.560 you know, with their burial practices. So does in hope that suggest 815 01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:20.840 any of this theory in any of his writings that we have left. We 816 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:25.520 have nothing from him. He has written nothing. Well, if he did, 817 01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:30.000 it was probably lost during the first Intermediate period, like I discussed. 818 01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:35.359 And the other one is the Edwin Smith papyrus, which was written by a 819 01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:42.760 person of Bath thirteen hundred years later. Yeah, well, accredited to im 820 01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.079 Hotep. So it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy 821 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:49.960 of a copy, And so we really don't have anything. But if you 822 01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:56.199 look at the architecture of the Step period enclosure, in a sense he has 823 01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:03.680 written instructions in a sense of how to approach the architecture and how that relates 824 01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:08.760 to the esoteric knowledge. Right, you just have to put on a different 825 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:13.159 set of glass. So tell me what your feeling is when you read um 826 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:18.119 the Temple of Man by Schwallow Dlubitch. Do you feel that it's the same 827 01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:26.039 conveyance in the dot design because it looks our temple. He's telling us that 828 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:33.399 the structure of the temple is the human skeletal body. Yeah, this cranium, 829 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:39.479 the spinal column, the chest, the ribs, the legs, the 830 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.239 bones, the feet are the temple. Now are you? Are you suggesting 831 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:51.159 that the design in um uh, this medical area, that is the chapels 832 01:23:51.199 --> 01:24:00.920 and the hipset is a your suggestion as to human body, right in a 833 01:24:00.000 --> 01:24:05.319 sense, yes, the human The thing is it's different than the temple of 834 01:24:05.439 --> 01:24:13.000 look sort, where the entire temple is an analogous to the human body and 835 01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:23.119 its totality. The entrance hall is strictly the human spine from the sacrum to 836 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:29.279 the base of the skull well includes the skull. Actually, okay, here's 837 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:36.279 the interesting thing. The god of healing was the god Pata. He was 838 01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:43.560 also the creator of the universe, okay, and his The symbol for Pata 839 01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:48.239 is the gen pillar. The gen pillar is supposed to represent Pata's spine, 840 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:57.640 and the our spine is also analogous to supports the structure of our body, 841 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.560 while the jed pillar supports the structure of the universe. Now, the interesting 842 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:09.119 thing is the number forty two pops up in Egyptian culture in many different ways. 843 01:25:09.399 --> 01:25:14.960 There were forty two gnomes or states along the Nile River were governed by 844 01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:26.760 no marks. There are forty two pillars in the entrance hall. Number forty 845 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:31.880 two is very in there's forty two judges that judge a person after they died, 846 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:36.680 before they can enter into the field of reeds. So the number forty 847 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:45.800 two is quite constant in ancient Egyptian culture. But if you reverse that forty 848 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:55.479 two, it becomes twenty four. So that the interesting thing is the entrance 849 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:59.319 hall includes the number forty two, which is the number of the gods, 850 01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:03.640 I would and the number twenty four, which is the number of man with 851 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:11.760 their spine. So if you look at it that way, the gods are 852 01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.279 forty two. If let's say your four fingers on your right hand are forty 853 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:20.680 and then your thumbis number two. Is that human beings were created in the 854 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:27.359 image of God. So forty two is the mirror image of twenty four, 855 01:26:27.439 --> 01:26:31.960 or rather twenty four is the mirror image of the gods number forty two. 856 01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:39.960 So that esotericism, I think was really passed down and continued on until say 857 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:46.600 Moses, who was living with the royal family and probably had esoteric knowledge available 858 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:50.680 to him. So when your genesis says man was made in the image of 859 01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:56.720 God, that's where it began. So the Book of Genesis in a sense 860 01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:02.640 was written in stone and the entrance hall for the step Pyramid. It's it's 861 01:27:02.800 --> 01:27:08.880 it's really fascinating. It has both the stone is the number of gods and 862 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:14.119 the spaces between the stone is the number of man's part of the same architectural 863 01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:18.159 reference. Wow. The book's called the Secret Code of the Step Pyramid of 864 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:25.479 dojor At Sakara, Ancient wisdom revealed. My guest today has been Steve Kalman. 865 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:30.600 What is the what do you want to what do you want to leave 866 01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.600 us with on this book? Steve? Uh, there's so much in your 867 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:39.319 book, And yeah, I mean we didn't even get into sacred geometry, 868 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:44.840 which is a huge part of this this entire place. Um, what are 869 01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:51.920 we left with in terms of a evidence of advanced uh culture medicine. I 870 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:57.960 mean you're hinting at a sound vibration for healing. That's the tip of the 871 01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:03.840 iceberg, right right right. In fact, Imhotep even had a birthing center 872 01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:13.560 built in this complex for women to give birth, so it was far far 873 01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:15.239 ahead of our time. In fact, most of the medical paprietary we have 874 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:20.960 about forty percent of them are related to women's gynecological issues, so they took 875 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:29.199 care of their female population far more than than he was previously thought. Yeah, 876 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:33.520 this whole complex was probably added working as a hospital for a while one 877 01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:41.119 hundred and fifty years until the bad times of the First Intermediate Period. But 878 01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:48.560 time frame, the idea of having a hospital in your local temple translated down 879 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:55.479 into to other temples like Temple at Ludsore, other temples like the Temple of 880 01:28:55.560 --> 01:29:00.880 Karnak. They probably had a physician priests on their staff. The local temple 881 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:12.600 was also the local hospital, so in hotel created a greater probability of better 882 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:16.319 healthcare. I mean, physicians in those times basically worked out of their homes 883 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:23.159 individually. But in this case, I think there's also a teaching hospital like 884 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:29.600 we have now today. Very efficient physician priests were trained by older priests and 885 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:35.359 there that knowledge kept being improved and written down and passed along to future generation. 886 01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:40.199 So it's much more than just a healing place. I think it inspired 887 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:45.920 other healing sites throughout Egypt. Fascinating. You know, it'd probably make a 888 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:50.960 great deal of difference if they the antiquities would allow more scans ground penetrating radar. 889 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:57.560 We just had a couple of people on the show that revealed the satellite, 890 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:01.600 new satellite that's using a stick sound ways to pierce the Great Pyramid and 891 01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:08.399 discovered all kinds of new rooms and channels and shafts. We sure could use 892 01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:12.880 another scan of this Sakara, couldn't we? Yeah, I think that may 893 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:16.760 well happen. The last one was in two thousand and seven. However, 894 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:23.079 the situation in the Middle East is a little dicey for you know, that 895 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:30.359 kind of exploration. Plus there might be some of agiatologists who are reticent to 896 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:38.560 allow future or other expeditions to do even more. Why why why do they 897 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:43.520 allow that? Why don't they allow that? It's kind of the not invented 898 01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:46.760 here syndrome. Yeah, that's because I didn't discover it, nobody else is 899 01:30:46.760 --> 01:30:51.319 allowed to discover it. Yeah, yeah, so's They're very territorial. No 900 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:56.560 matter where you go, Archaeologists are very territorial. Right, They're funding is 901 01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.079 dependent on them producing the goods. Yeah, exactly. Uh, Steve, 902 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.039 where can we get the book? I think it's on Amazon, right, 903 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:08.359 It's Amazon, Barnes and Noble. It's also on my website. Stevecoalman dot 904 01:31:08.359 --> 01:31:14.239 com it's k A L L M A N. Steve Steve e Commen dot 905 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:19.039 Stevecoalmen dot com. Um. And you have a website Steve Stevecomen dot com. 906 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:27.239 Uh uh which has other information. Uh okay, it's a site for 907 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:30.600 purchasing the book, right right, So what's coming up for you anything in 908 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:34.560 the future, anymore work? You're gonna get over that Egypt again, I 909 01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:42.640 hope. So I'm in a contact with Patricia a Lion, and I hope 910 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:45.880 to go over there and beat up with her and do some more work on 911 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:53.000 the step pyramid enclosure and see what else is going on there. Maybe you 912 01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:55.520 can get down in there. Like I said, every time we get into 913 01:31:55.560 --> 01:32:00.600 the interior the Dozier Pyramid, we have another shaft to explore. They open 914 01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:03.880 it up to people. So yeah, well kind of great. Yeah that 915 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:09.239 when I was there, it was totally closed off. Yeah, I couldn't 916 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.439 get inside, which is probably just as well. Yeah, but I hope 917 01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.600 they clean up the north court, which is, you know, almost like 918 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:23.279 a spoils dump unfortunately, which which I think was originally going to be used 919 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:27.960 as a small farm from growing the herbs and vegetables and food for the staff. 920 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.600 Healing herbs, and I think that's what the intention of that was. 921 01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:35.880 I mean there are granaries there. I mean, yeah, kind of store 922 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:40.159 stuff, you know. You know, the real sad thing is that it's 923 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:45.239 so dry and humid and not human but just very dry and windy. Nothing 924 01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:50.199 can grow there. Now. Yeah, it's sad, but you know that's 925 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:56.399 what happens. You know, global environmental changes exactly ruined it for the rest 926 01:32:56.439 --> 01:33:00.239 of us. Steve, real pleasure to have you much success on this book, 927 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:10.239 and thanks for joining me. Thank you very much, Cliff Steve presented 928 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:14.880 is just one of the many aspects of Sakara that are coming to light. 929 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:17.840 I mean, the indigenous people of that area have known about this so called 930 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:28.520 hospital for centuries. And you may have remembered Muhammad speaking on how different locations, 931 01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:32.399 different temples were used and during the different seasons of the year they were 932 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:36.920 sanctified in terms of ceremony. You went there for healing, you went there 933 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:45.439 for blessing. I think that in the ancient times, perhaps even before the 934 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:53.079 Old Kingdom, the previous civilization would use intention to intend on having a successful, 935 01:33:53.600 --> 01:34:00.640 healthy, happy existence or period of time or and I have a sense 936 01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.479 of that we don't have any writings on that, and this is something that's 937 01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:12.760 totally foreign to Egyptological communities or Egyptologists, and I think it's a sad statement 938 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:19.760 that they're unable to use or consider other forms of information that have been handed 939 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:26.279 down. And this is not something that is widely accepted. It's in some 940 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:30.079 of the doctrine, it's in some of the writing about subtle energy, and 941 01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:36.680 it's just overlooked by orthodox archaeologists because it doesn't fit into their mode of education 942 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:43.239 or thinking. Huge loss, huge loss. We see this in Mexico with 943 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:47.279 the Maya and the fact that they do not speak with the indigenous people who 944 01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:54.279 are still there, and including scientists where they're known as day keepers. These 945 01:34:54.319 --> 01:35:00.800 are the calendar ocal scientists who keep the calendars up to date. And I 946 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:08.840 mean this is a terrible loss, and hopefully up and coming generations of archaeologists 947 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:15.079 anthropologists begin to open their minds a little bit for the possibilities that indigenous wisdom 948 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:21.439 has an important part, It is an important part, it has an important 949 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:27.399 contribution and isn't very important in our community and needs to be looked at a 950 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:32.680 more open mind. So I got to say this too, this is The 951 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.279 real problem we have with our history right now, with our current crop of 952 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:47.079 archaeologists and egyptologist is the fact that they are not open to these wisdom traditions, 953 01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:54.920 these oral traditions, and we are losing tons of historical data because they 954 01:35:54.920 --> 01:36:00.720 will not consider oral traditions. And even I think the bigger problem is that 955 01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:08.840 they're using carbon dating as the be all determining factor for age and it's looking 956 01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:15.479 more and more, especially in the pottery that we find now. Sakara has 957 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:19.199 just you know, sixty thousand plus pieces of pottery. No one talks about 958 01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:24.600 that because they don't know how to explain it. They're all cut on machines. 959 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:28.000 It's all not all of it, but a good portion of it that 960 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:31.399 you can see, and it's in the local museums is cut on a lathe 961 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:36.159 or some form of machinery, and that's not a dialogue that they want to 962 01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:41.600 tackle because they can't explain it. So a lot of a lot of things 963 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:44.359 go by the wayside, and we just need to get a new crop of 964 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:53.439 are more open minded and transparent scientists who are working on our history. And 965 01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:57.800 as Jen said, you know, it's a real pain in the butt to 966 01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:01.520 start writing re writing the books. But they're gonna have to, They're really 967 01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:05.000 gonna have to. So good to have steal on the program again. That 968 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:13.079 book's Secret Code, The Secret Code of the Step Pyramid is available on Amazon. 969 01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:18.319 It's got a ton of wonderful photographs, and he really gets into the 970 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:23.359 sacred geometry. We could spend another hour on the sacred geometry that he goes 971 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:29.640 into and how the different sections of this hospital relate to the health of the 972 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.319 body, the physical body itself. And you know, one of the things 973 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:39.520 that he didn't talk about is that there were what they call surgical ward areas 974 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:46.880 that sat on top of very interesting stone casines and stone floors. And I 975 01:37:47.000 --> 01:37:53.000 have a feeling that those floors were resonating because if they're granite floors, there's 976 01:37:53.000 --> 01:38:01.319 a lot of crystal crystalline aspects of that stone that can help in vibration. 977 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:08.000 So perhaps, I don't know, we don't know. We have no idea 978 01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:12.079 what kind of healing properties and are healing techniques they were using, but they're 979 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:16.279 sure advanced. Real fun to hear. Hey, I do want to mention 980 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:20.399 we just released our new dates for Egypt in twenty twenty four. It's going 981 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:27.319 to be April twenty eight through May ninth. We all meet in Cairo. 982 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:31.880 This is and by the way, this fills up really fast, so if 983 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:35.359 you have any inclination to want to come with us, it is a world 984 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:41.920 class tour. Everything is covered. All you gotta do is fly yourself out 985 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:47.000 to Cairo. Everything else is covered, and it is twelve days of discovery 986 01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:55.399 of just amazing temples, buildings, pyramids, lots of it is private, 987 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.840 meaning that we go out on our own bus, we enter and we explore 988 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:04.119 on our own and the food, the beverages, the hotels from the start 989 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:10.239 to finish are just world class. In fact, we jokingly say that this 990 01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:14.520 is a diplomatic tour and everyone who comes is a diplomat, and it starts 991 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:16.439 as soon as you and as soon as you show up at the airport, 992 01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:24.079 you are treated like royalty, like a diplomat, and everything's handled and you 993 01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:29.760 are skirted away. So if you have any inclination on coming, it is 994 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:35.239 again April twenty eighth through May nine. 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