WEBVTT 1 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:40.960 Welcome to the one hundred and forty seventh episode of the Supernatural Occurrence Studies podcast 2 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.840 So Unusually Paranormal. My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, 3 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:55.920 and with me as always is Sir Oscar Spector. I just got knighted producer, 4 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:03.240 extraordinary podcast co host. Thank you for bequeathing us your presence, Surspector. 5 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:04.680 Yeah, the queen is a bitch though, just sorry. Now, 6 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:08.879 the tea was a little too hot in my opinion. It's just my opinion, 7 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.560 okay, but united me, it was cool, very nice, very 8 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:17.719 nice. Uh. Listeners, If you would like to skip our intros, 9 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.599 please go to the show notes. You'll find a time stamp there waiting for 10 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.879 you to get you right to the topic. Oscar, what has been going 11 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.799 on with you these last two weeks? Nothing too crazy, nothing too much 12 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:36.239 to report. Been preparing for Halloween. Halloween season, guys. That means 13 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.359 it means you start saving on your electric bill by taking down the AC units 14 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:47.519 in my case, three of them and getting ready for the nice pockets of 15 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.519 the cold winter months coming up. I love the winter. I love cold. 16 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:55.840 Give it to me anyway. Other than that, you know, I 17 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.120 have a little pumpkin thing for the girls, the kind of shit you know, 18 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:00.799 car pumpkins and they can hang in them and shed and they love that 19 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:07.520 ship. And in that Halloween aspect, I've been looking online to see if 20 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:13.120 I can get a good a good version, like a solid version of the 21 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:17.159 Squid Game costume two for Halloween, which is an obvious choice, granted, 22 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:23.199 but we're not. You know, it seems like it's easy enough to replicate. 23 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:24.840 And there's a lot of shops out there since the since the show has 24 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:29.439 been popping up. It's in everyone's feeds. It's on TikTok a lot, 25 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.919 it's on Facebook and everything. And it's a fun show and I really like 26 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:37.400 it. I keep hearing about it. I keep hearing about it. I 27 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.639 haven't watched it yet. I have to get it into my queue to watch. 28 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:45.159 Yeah, right exactly. And it's a and it's a it's a very 29 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:50.919 strange concept. It is South Korean the show, but it's a weird concept. 30 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:55.879 But it takes uh the ideas of games that you know, gen gen 31 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.719 xers millennials and older played as kids, like with marbles, so you or 32 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.240 a tug of war or shit like that, and maybe it or tag you 33 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:07.719 know, you think of those games and you put it to its extreme measure, 34 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:12.800 right and too in this situation where people are are forced to play this 35 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.360 game and the losers get killed. Basically it's a real life and death situation 36 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:22.520 and they all do it for for hopefully redemption via money anyway, So it's 37 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:24.080 a it's a fun, fun show. I'm not finished with the yet, 38 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.280 i should say, but I'm almost done with it. It's a lot of 39 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:31.280 fun going back to the old days. Yeah, I definitely want to check 40 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.759 it out. So you're saying it's all over TikTok this show, it's everywhere. 41 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.879 It's quid right now, right now, it's kind of everywhere. Yeah, 42 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:39.960 all right, I'm a little behind, but I will. I will 43 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.240 catch up and let you know what I think. Yeah, I do. 44 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.199 Just not know what about you? What you've been up to? Oh man, 45 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:52.159 just just work. There's there's literally nothing interesting on my front. The 46 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.039 last couple I don't it feels like months. Well, if you listen to 47 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.639 the outtakes, folks, he did see a very particular movie that has taken 48 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.479 up his mental brain capacity lately. But it's a ready in the outtakes, 49 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:08.960 So just wait for that, but yeah, yeah, because my blood pressure 50 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:13.120 just spiked when you mentioned that movie. I don't even mention it. You 51 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.319 don't have to. Yeah, works, and it's it's a really strange thing. 52 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.199 So, I mean, I'm now in in sales. I have a 53 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:26.279 kind of a really high profile sales job, and no one's talking about it. 54 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:32.000 But we are in the middle of a global supply chain crisis that's affecting 55 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:39.920 not only my industry, but so many other countless industries. It is a 56 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:45.319 horizontal problem that's happening in the world right now, and no one's talking about 57 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.879 it. It's not not in mainstream news media, social otherwise, no one's 58 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:56.360 talking about it. But yet it is completely disrupting the global economy. And 59 00:04:56.959 --> 00:05:00.759 so I've just been for the last I don't know, it seems like a 60 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.879 year at this point, if not damn near close to just dealing with the 61 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:09.040 fallout of that day in day out, and it it just beats me to 62 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:13.399 death. It's it's bad. It's bad. I'm doing okay financially, thank 63 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:18.800 god, but hm, it's just it's bad. And as it progresses, 64 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:27.120 I'm really starting to be convinced that there's something greater going on here. Especially 65 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.800 how it's not being covered. So that's that's just been taking up so much 66 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.839 of my time is dealing with the fallout of that at my company. So 67 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:41.680 yeah, I can see that. I can probably see Steven Soderberg make a 68 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.319 movie about it in five years or something. He does that a lot. 69 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:48.680 Yeah, And by the way, it's affected in my industry. For those 70 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.480 who remember, I work at a Starbucks. So like if you frequent Starbucks 71 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.079 and you realize that, hey, they've been out of peppermint or toping not 72 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.759 or very very high biscus for like months now, I consistently this is part 73 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.279 of the same thing, yeah, that we're talking about. Yeah, yep, 74 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.839 I think everywhere. Yeah, because if it's not coming from overseas, 75 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.240 if it's if it's here in the States, there's issues with transportation, be 76 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:18.720 it boats coming here from other countries, to trains, to trucks, to 77 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:26.120 longshoremen, to customs, you name it, it is affected. And yeah, 78 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.120 you'll feel it. And something as silly as a drink, you know, 79 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.519 your favorite drink exactly, syrup in this case or whatever. I vape, 80 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:38.839 right, I quit smoke and I started vaping. I dropped my vape 81 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.480 and I busted the tip that was on the vape. Right, I'm like, 82 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.040 shit, I gotta go to the store by one of these things. 83 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.120 Couldn't find it because they're coming from most of them come from China. Yeah 84 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:55.160 they do, They're not here. Can they find them anywhere? Yeah, 85 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.680 a stupid tip for your vape. This what I'm saying, it's happening. 86 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.600 It's affecting us. Try to order a computer, an appliance, a brand 87 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.279 new car. Cardboard paper is going to become a problem, they're saying, 88 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:13.759 consumer electronics. Try to order it, backlogged, back ordered. You know, 89 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.959 it's it's it's a big, big, big problem. And again, 90 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.920 no one's talking about it. And I'm starting to think there's something more to 91 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.680 it, a conspiracy somewhere, but I'm not going to go down that rabbit 92 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:26.040 hole. Point is that's what's been taking up all my time. So I 93 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.959 don't have anything super cool to report. I'm sorry, No, that is 94 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:30.839 that is a report. That is a good report. You already did it. 95 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.519 You just don't have anything else. But that's well, there you go. 96 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.800 No I don't, I don't have anything else. I'm sorry, I 97 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.360 got it. No, it's good. I like it. Maybe another short 98 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:46.079 intro this time, I don't know no such thing. Now, let's not 99 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:51.480 get people used to the last one. Okay, just saying okay, I 100 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.759 like long interest. So but with that in mind, you should really tell 101 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.680 them how they can get in contact with us. With that in mind, 102 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:05.560 it up. The easiest way to contact the Supernatural occurren Studies Podcast is by 103 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.639 visiting our website. Our brand new website, by the way, Oscar, 104 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:13.319 I don't know if you've checked it out, completely revamped, much more mobile, 105 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:16.680 user friendly. Got a lot of complaints about trying to access the site 106 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:22.959 via smart devices. You could do that now Chicago Ghost Podcast dot com. 107 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.360 That's Chicago Ghost podcast dot com. From the website, you get to all 108 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.560 of our social accounts, be it Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, 109 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.480 and of course Patreon. And in case you didn't know, for just five 110 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:41.039 dollars a month, you could have access to a library of exclusive Patreon audio 111 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.120 and video content. This content that won't appear here in our public feed. 112 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.039 It's just for our patrons. If you go to Patreon dot com, forward 113 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:54.600 slash Supernatural Occurrent Studies Podcast can pledge your support for the show have access to 114 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.399 that library of exclusive content. What do you say, support your favorite podcast, 115 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.960 Yeah to the do something now. Luckily, luckily, you know, 116 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.759 this is the part, you know, the one bad one great thing about 117 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:11.399 not great thing. But the one thing that isn't affected by with the shortages 118 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.279 that Jay we was just talking about is that, you know, websites of 119 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.759 the Internet that's still very much strong. You know, yes, it's like 120 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.960 that's no, there's no shortage of Internet. You know, that's not ever 121 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.600 going to be a problem. But luckily though for all of us involved, 122 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.039 especially for those people who might be I don't know, willing to try their 123 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.120 phone out as a phone, is that the phone lines are down there. 124 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.480 There's less phone lines out there, and we had to we had to mix 125 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:39.120 our phone number. Do you know, I was wondering, where's he going 126 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:45.039 with this? Now? We had to cut back on our very crappy, 127 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:52.000 unprofessional leads to a drug dealer through Idaho Way phone number that we that we 128 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.840 spew here on the show because reasons, you know, reasons, we got 129 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.399 them right, you know, it's you just reminded me that I don't have 130 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.080 the phone number anywhere on the new website. I've got to correct that. 131 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:09.639 Fuck, I can't believe I did that yet take the web designer. So 132 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.919 the number he's talking about that'll get you to a drug dealer via Idaho is 133 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.519 Chicago area code eight seven to two five two nine zero seven six seven. 134 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.159 That Chicago area code eight seven to two five two nine zero seven six seven. 135 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.039 But don't use that until more more phone cables get brought from overseas. 136 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:35.440 There they have to dredge the oceans right with these cables. Yeah, while 137 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:37.919 you're waiting for that to happen, you could watch The Many Saints of nork 138 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:46.200 Oscar. Let's take a break in Yeah, let's take a break. I 139 00:10:46.200 --> 00:11:28.759 hate it so much, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, 140 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:33.879 the lights are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and the 141 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:41.559 drinks are flowing. Let's start this show. So tonight we're gonna be talking 142 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:48.240 about the Shag Harbor Ufo incident. Shag Baby, Yeah, did you just 143 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.279 pull out Austin Powers Dad? I was, yeah, yeah, the Shag 144 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.360 Harbor Ufo incident. And I really believe that after researching you know, this 145 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:05.960 this topic so thorough, I really believe something something happened here. This I 146 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:11.360 think is one of those cases that we could say Yes, this was unidentifiable. 147 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.840 Something really happened here in this tiny, tiny fishing village up in Canada. 148 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.000 It's pretty amazing. And I love that we're covering this incident now because 149 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:31.200 the fifty fourth anniversary of the shag Harbor Ufo incident just passed on October fourth, 150 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.600 so we're recording this on the sixth, so it's timely. Yeah, 151 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.240 it is. So I'm curious to know at the end, once I spell 152 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.799 all this out, what people think. Did something really happen here? Because 153 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:48.399 I think it did, and if it did, the implications are huge. 154 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:54.759 Okay, So the shag Harbor Ufo incident took place on the night of October 155 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.879 fourth, nineteen sixty seven, around eleven pm near, like I said, 156 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:05.639 small fishing village called you guessed it, shag Harbor on Nova Scotia's Atlantic coast. 157 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:11.080 Now, you don't hear a lot about this case, which is kind 158 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.399 of why I wanted to cover it. Maybe because it happened outside the US, 159 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.399 as in case you didn't know, Nova Scotia is part of Canada, 160 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.840 or maybe because it didn't happen in a densely populated city. After all, 161 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:30.600 Nova Scotia is Canada's second smallest province in area, right after Prince Edward Island. 162 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.440 Whatever the fact is, the shag Harbor UFO incident, which was really 163 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:41.320 a crash and attempted retrieval of an unknown object, did happen, and it's 164 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.240 often referred to as the Canadian roswell. And at the time, again in 165 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.960 nineteen sixty seven, the UFO case we're about to talk about was huge news, 166 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:58.320 having at the very least sixty eyewitness accounts, one of which we'll hear 167 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.559 later in this episode. Now, Oscar, we have an eyewitness interview made 168 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.759 for us for this episode, conducted by a close friend of the show with 169 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:13.279 ties to Shag Harbor, which is really cool. That is cool. I 170 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.519 have not listened to it yet, folks, by the way, but you 171 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:22.879 will. First. Yeah, not only did the shag Harbor UFO incident have 172 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:28.879 ton of eyewitnesses, including airline pilots, military personnel, and police officers, 173 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:35.480 the case was also investigated by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police the RCMP, the 174 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.840 Canadian Coast Guard, which had only been formed a few years prior to this 175 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:45.240 incident in nineteen sixty two. It was investigated by the Canadian Navy and the 176 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:50.480 Canadian Air Force, and it was even investigated by the United States via the 177 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:56.960 Condon Committee. And of course all the official investigation led to a lot of 178 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:03.559 official documents. And that's the one thing Shag Harbor UFO isn't short on documentation. 179 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.120 This case has a paper trail a mile long. And the attempted UFO 180 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:18.360 recovery was even broadcast across Canada on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's Evening News. That's 181 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.720 something you don't see every day. Wow, Yeah, especially when you compare 182 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:28.559 it to our Rothwell. You know, Nova Scotia and Rothwell are both notable 183 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:33.679 known to be like middle of nowhere areas obviously one really hot and one really 184 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:41.080 cold, but like similar similar, similar kind of like location types and like 185 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.159 you can see where like oh man, it might be hard to get when 186 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:50.200 it says but no, that's that's that's that's crazy that they did. I'll 187 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.799 just say it sounds like a better job of telling people like that hiding at 188 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.080 you know, trying to Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, I 189 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.240 mean what happened after what happened at Roswell, Right. We talked about this 190 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:08.000 in the The Extraterrestrial Extravaganza podcast episodes. A report came out that a disc 191 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.159 was down, and then immediately that was retracted and it was sealed, the 192 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.320 lid put on it right not here, This was on the evening news, 193 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.559 which is which is really pretty interesting. Now, what I think is really 194 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:27.320 interesting is the fact that it was the officials that labeled this thing a UFO, 195 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:33.840 the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Canadian Air Force, the Canadian Navy, 196 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:38.679 NORRAD, the Coast Guard, and not the civilian witnesses. The civilian 197 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:45.440 witnesses all thought a small doomed airplane went down in shad Harbor, but not 198 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:51.120 the Brass. The Brass honestly thought they had seen and were searching for a 199 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:56.320 downed extraterrestrial craft. It said so in their reports, And I think that 200 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.600 leads a lot of credibility to this story. Yeah, it does right. 201 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:07.240 In fact, thirty six hours after the event, several Canadian Defense Department officials 202 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.519 signed off on a memo that made it clear that authorities had no idea what 203 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:18.079 they were dealing with. The memo read, in part quote, A preliminary 204 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:23.000 investigation has been carried out by the Rescue Coordination Center in Halifax, Nova Scotia. 205 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:29.039 It has been determined that this UFO sighting was not caused by a flare, 206 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:36.079 float, aircraft or in fact any known object end quote. Pretty cool, 207 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:40.839 right for the officials to come out and say that, actually, the 208 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.200 Shag Harbor incident is one of the very few instances in which government officials formally 209 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:52.680 declared that an unidentified flying object was involved. In other words, no official 210 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:59.000 explanation was ever given to try and explain away the incredible events that took place 211 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:04.200 on October fourth, nineteen sixty seven at Shack Harbor. Now, I just 212 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.920 want to take a little quick sidestep here and talk briefly about something I mentioned 213 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:15.799 as far as official bodies that investigated this incident, The Condon Committee, Now, 214 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.440 in case you don't know, the Condon Committee was a US Air Force 215 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:25.440 sponsored program that ran from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty eight, headed by 216 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.519 physicist Edward Condon. The purpose of the Condon Committee was to investigate UFO sidings 217 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:38.240 and determine whether UFOs were quote unquote a problem that warranted continued government sponsored research, 218 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:44.599 like the research being conducted by Project Blue Book. Now, the final 219 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:49.960 report published by the Condon Committee, called the Condon Report stated that after investigating 220 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:57.039 hundreds of case files of supposed UFO activity and UFO sightings files mainly provided by 221 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:04.559 Project Blue Book and civilian UFO organizations like the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon 222 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:11.720 or NIGHTCAP, the Condo Report concluded that UFOs were not a problem, that 223 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:17.759 most UFO reports were totally explained, totally explainable, and that studying UFOs would 224 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:22.519 yield no scientific benefit. And that was the Condom Report's determination on what the 225 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:29.160 report called Case number thirty four, the Shag Harbor Incident two. The report 226 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.680 provided absolutely no explanation for the Shag Harbor incident. In other words, move 227 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:40.119 along, nothing to see here, and no reason to explore any further this 228 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.519 particular incident. In other words, the Condo Report really a poo pooed the 229 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.240 idea of UFOs and little green visitors from other worlds. And Project Blue Book 230 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:55.839 was quickly disbanded after the Condom Report was published. Or was it. Listen 231 00:19:55.880 --> 00:20:02.640 to Supernatural Currencities podcast episodes sixteen and one seventeen to find out more about Project 232 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.839 Blue Book. Yeah, and also I mentioned then we talk about Nightcap. 233 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:11.880 When we talked about Skinwalker. I feel like we did. I feel like 234 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.599 I did. Or was it in the extravagance of what we mentioned Nightcap because 235 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.960 I remember researching that and I remember content being one of the names. It 236 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.920 might have been in the Extraterrestrial series, Okay, because I thought it wasn't 237 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.799 the other one. But okay, maybe right, okay, but maybe because 238 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:33.160 you know, the Condon Report basically poo pooed on UFOs and aliens, maybe 239 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:37.279 this is the real reason why shag Harbor incident kind of faded away because the 240 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:42.000 Condon Report basically shot it down. Anyway, this investigative body, the Condon 241 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.200 Committee, was involved in the Shag Harbor UFO incident. So again, big 242 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:52.279 news when it happened, right, This incident captured the attention of high level 243 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:57.079 organizations, right And actually, in twenty nineteen, the World Canadian Mint issued 244 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:03.920 this rectangular glowing and the dark image changing pure silver coin commemorating the Shag Harbor 245 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:10.359 UFO Wow popular. Right again, this coin is awesome. I gotta get 246 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.039 me one. But ye anyway, okay, let's get into it. So 247 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:18.720 what exactly happened on the night of October fourth, nineteen sixty seven that Cord 248 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:25.160 took such a fuss at high level organizations. Well, to begin with, 249 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.200 we must start with the sightings reported all over Eastern Canada before the actual crash 250 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:36.359 in Shag Harbor. A fishing boat stationed off the coast of Sambro, Nova 251 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:41.759 Scotia, called the m V Nickerson, with eighteen people on board, tracked 252 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:48.839 on radar four strange objects or blips in the North Atlantic for over two hours 253 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:53.240 up until about an hour and a half before the Shag Harbor crash. And 254 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.839 so you know, Sambro is about a three hour car ride from Shag Harbor, 255 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:03.319 or about one hundred and forty seven auticle miles. The fishermen also saw 256 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.519 four bright lights in the sky arranged what they described as a rectangular pattern. 257 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:14.680 The captain of m V Nickerson, named Captain Leo Mercy, was so moved 258 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.559 by this incident that he felt compelled to file a report with the harbor Master 259 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:26.640 and the Royal Mounted Police. Numerous civilians witnessed objects in the sky up and 260 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:32.480 down the Nova Scotia coast, prompting them to file panic reports mere hours before 261 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.480 the crash. And we'll get into a few witness testimonies here in a bit, 262 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.079 but like I mentioned earlier, we have an interview with one of those 263 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:44.759 witnesses, a man named Norman Smith, a name mentioned in a lot of 264 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.519 the articles you'll read about the Shag Harbor incident. So we have a fishing 265 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.720 boat with eighteen people on board, witnessing strange things in the sky and in 266 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.559 the ocean on radar, and we're going to talk about civilian sightings. Now, 267 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:02.279 I'd like to talk a little bit about some amazing sightings reported by highly 268 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:07.240 trained pilots who were fortunate enough to find themselves in the air and around Shag 269 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:11.359 Harbor on the night of October third, nineteen sixty seven, and on the 270 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.000 night of October fourth, nineteen sixty seven, the night of the crash. 271 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:19.559 First, I'd like to talk about pan Am Flight one sixty, a Boeing 272 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.400 seven oh seven cargo aircraft that was approaching Yarmouth, Nova, Scotia, about 273 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.519 forty four driving miles or thirty eight nautical miles from Shag Harbor and flying at 274 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:34.599 thirty three thousand feet on the night of October third, nineteen sixty seven. 275 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:41.119 So, the night before the UFO crash, all was routine and going well 276 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:47.359 with Flight one sixty, when Suddenly, co pilot Ralph Lowinger, Captain Kurt 277 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:52.039 Olsen, and flight engineer Mike Littlepage saw what they described as a huge formation 278 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:57.319 of bright lights at their eleven o'clock position as they approached the coast of Nova 279 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:02.799 Scotia over the Gulf of which is really close to Shag Harbor. It's the 280 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.839 same body of water. The pilots described the object as looking like a cruise 281 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:12.759 ship. It's pretty damn big wow. Yeah. Trying to rationalize away what 282 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:18.559 they were seeing, the pilots thought the object could have been another large transport 283 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.599 plane displaying full lights, and Flight one sixty's path was taking them straight towards 284 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:30.359 this object. The pilots felt the immediate need to steer Flight one sixty out 285 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:36.119 of the other object's path to avoid collision, which they did not. Understanding 286 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:41.079 what the hell was going on, The pilots contacted Boston Air Traffic Control and 287 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.559 asked if their flight was still visible on Boston's radar. Boston confirmed that Flight 288 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.880 one sixty was visible on radar, to which the pilots replied, who's up 289 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.920 here with us at our eleven o'clock. Boston went silent for a moment, 290 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.920 then came back and confirmed that Flight one sixty was completely alone. No other 291 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:07.680 aircraft was anywhere near the flight. That must created oh in that moment when 292 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.359 they're like, you're alone out there, but what But yet they're looking at 293 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.160 this massive cruise ship looking thing fully lit. Dude, I hate flying as 294 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.279 it is. I can't even imagine what's going through their minds at this point. 295 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.400 Oh yeah. For me, I'm like excited, you're you're a living 296 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.880 are Yeah. So Boston comes and says, Nope, you're up there alone. 297 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.160 Yet the pilots were watching this cruise ship looking thing hovering up there with 298 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:34.400 them, and eventually the strange lights disappeared. All three men on board Flight 299 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.759 one sixty agreed to not file a report. They wanted to avoid the paperwork 300 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:45.119 and the hassle and the stigma of reporting something like this. And this is 301 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.319 a decision that Ralph Loinger says he regrets to this day. He wished he 302 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.640 would have filed a report. Okay, Now, a few days after this 303 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.200 strange encounter and the sky's over Nova Scotia, Ralph Loinger was listening to the 304 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:03.720 radio and he heard a new report say quote the RCMP or the Royal Canadian 305 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:11.680 Mounted Police has discontinued search operations for the strange light formations reporting falling into the 306 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.039 sea near Yarmouth end quote. Wow, now longer realized immediately that this had 307 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.759 to be the same light formation he and his fellow airman saw in the sky 308 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.359 on the evening of October third, and in the exact same location. To 309 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:32.000 quote Ralph Loinger quote, to this day, I do not know what I 310 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:37.079 saw, but it is clear that it was under intelligent control and coincided as 311 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.160 to time and place with what was seen by at least sixty people on the 312 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.720 ground end quote, referring to, of course, the crash at Shag Harbor. 313 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.720 Pretty amazing. Very Now let's talk about Air Canada Flight three h five. 314 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:59.359 This event happened on the night of October fourth, just about fourish hours 315 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.839 before the crash at Shag Harbor. So at around seven pm on October fourth, 316 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.599 nineteen sixty seven, two pilots aboard Air Canada Flight three oh five were 317 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:15.440 flying westbound over Shearbrook and Saint John, Quebec when suddenly a strange object appeared 318 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.920 to the port side of their aircraft. The pilots claimed the unknown object was 319 00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:23.720 on a parallel course with their flight path, and it was tracking them through 320 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:30.359 the skies. Now, in their official reports, First Officer Robert Ralph and 321 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:37.839 Captain Pierre Charboneau described the object as a brilliantly lit rectangular object with the string 322 00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:44.440 of smaller lights trailing the object. Now keep in mind the rectangular shaped object 323 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.119 witnessed by these pilots. Hearkens back to what the fishermen aboard the m VY 324 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:56.160 Nickerson described a rectangular object. Ralph and Charbonneaux claimed to have noticed a sizeable 325 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.960 silent explosion near the large object, and two minutes later they saw a second 326 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:07.480 explosion which faded into a blue cloud around that same object. It seems whatever 327 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:14.119 the pilots were witnessing was in trouble. Now, these explosions, especially the 328 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.279 bluish color attributed to the second explosion, is going to be really important here 329 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.519 a little later in this story. So we have some incredible events happening in 330 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.640 the sky all around Shag Harbor leading up to the crash. We have similar 331 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:33.079 descriptions of the objects, We have explosions, and we have official reports being 332 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.839 filed by frightened or maybe more like concerned and confused witnesses. Credible witnesses too. 333 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.119 Now it's time to take a look at what's happening on the ground at 334 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:48.079 ground zero, if you will. Now. The initial report came just before 335 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.839 the crash on the night of October fourth, when a witness named Laurie Wickens, 336 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.480 a seventeen year old Shag Harbor resident, along with three or four friends. 337 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.119 Reports differ on how many people were with. Wickens were driving through Shag 338 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.160 Harbor on Highway three when they all saw an object about the size of a 339 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:15.200 bus slowly descending towards Shag Harbor towards the water. Wickens said the object had 340 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.400 four lights arranged in a row, and they were going on and off. 341 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.200 One light would come on, then light number two, then three, and 342 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.880 then four, and then they'd all go off for a second and come back 343 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.559 on again in that one, two, three, four pattern. Wickens and 344 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.279 his friends watched as the object suddenly dipped to a forty five degree angle and 345 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.160 fell below the tree line, and at the same time, the friends heard 346 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.079 a whistling sound and then a loud bang like an explosion, just like the 347 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:52.519 pilots on Air Canada flight three h five reported a few hours earlier. Now, 348 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.359 listeners, please go to the show notes. I have a picture supposedly 349 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:03.599 of this UFO coming in for its watery landing on Shag Harbor. It's in 350 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.440 the notes for you to see. The picture shows the UFO whatever it was, 351 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:14.119 descending or falling towards Shag Harbor, towards that water. Now what's really 352 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:19.319 strange is the object looks like a huge fiery blue orb accompanied by another object 353 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:25.160 that looks like this big red diamond. Now, what I think is really 354 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.160 coincidental with this picture is this blue orb looking looking object. Remember what the 355 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.839 pilots on Air Canada flight three h five said. They said that when they 356 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:41.880 saw two explosions, the second resulted in this big blue cloud. The picture 357 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.279 I have in the show notes shows what certainly could be a big blue cloud 358 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:51.000 heading right towards the water. Is it a damaged aircraft to some kind? 359 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.559 Anyway? Check it out. Let us know what you think. It's pretty 360 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.200 amazing photo. That's that's insane. I haven't seen it either, obviously, 361 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:03.000 but I can't wait to see it. That was very hard to get that 362 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:04.960 photo. Can't find that photo anywhere. What I did is I was watching 363 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:11.240 a documentary about the Shag Harbor UFO incident, and they put the photo in 364 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:18.759 the documentary, so it wouldn't let me. Amazon doesn't let you screenshot movies, 365 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:22.519 so I had to take a picture of my phone and then uploaded that. 366 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.359 It's very difficult to find, but I got it. So listeners check 367 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.559 it out. That's cool. It just lends more credibility to the story. 368 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:36.079 It really does. Okay, back to Lori Wickens, thinking they were witnessing 369 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:41.119 a deadly plane crash. Remember I said in the beginning, civilian witnesses. 370 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:47.359 They didn't claim this was a UFO. They literally thought it was a aircraft, 371 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.720 one of ours of human making coming in for a crash. Something normal, 372 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.240 something normal exactly. So, thinking they were witnessing a deadly plane crash, 373 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.960 Wickens ran to a payphone and called the r CMP right the Royal Canadian 374 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:07.559 Mounted Police the Mounties. At first, the police thought Wickens was drunk and 375 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.279 making a prank call, so they ignored him. But because multiple other reports 376 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.640 were coming in describing an object in the sky close to Shag Harbor, the 377 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.680 police decided to check it out. One of the responding officers, our CMP, 378 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:27.440 Constable Ron Pound, witnessed the strange light himself as he drove down the 379 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:31.559 highway en route to Shag Harbor. Wickens and about a dozen other people, 380 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:38.079 including three Mounties Police Constable Ron Pound being one of them, stood at the 381 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:44.240 water's edge and watched in amazement as an orange sphere with lights on it, 382 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.519 again described as being about the size of a bus or about forty to fifty 383 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.720 forty to sixty feet across, bobbed up and down in Shag Harbor, about 384 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.920 three hundred yards from where they were stationed on shore. Where they stood on 385 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:05.720 shore, and at about eleven twenty pm, the mysterious object slipped soundlessly below 386 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.519 the surface and that was it. The UFO was gone. Now. Another 387 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:16.440 civilian witness named Norman Smith was driving home to his father's house in Shag Harbor 388 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.720 when he too witnessed the lights in the sky that seemed to be heading straight 389 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:28.279 down towards the water, and shortly thereafter Smith passed flashing police cars also heading 390 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:32.039 towards the harbor. Now intrigued, Smith went home, He roused up his 391 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.519 father, and the two men, along with one of Smith's friends, headed 392 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.079 down towards towards the harbor to see what all the commotion was about. Now 393 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.480 here's where I'd like to play the interview we have because ultimately, Norman Smith, 394 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.559 this guy jumps in a boat and head straight out to where the UFO 395 00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.960 submerged. I think his gusta already. Yeah right now, I think that's 396 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:57.000 pretty crazy. I don't know if I would do that. I think I 397 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.480 would be afraid to do that. But you know that if I'm at the 398 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.640 four of us were there, Let's say Dave and Joe, we I mean 399 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.519 you'd stay on the shore, but we would all all three of us will 400 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.599 go go ahead. I'm good, Yeah, text me as you're road away 401 00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.360 right, text me now. My friend, we'll call him, John R. 402 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:22.400 Whose family owns an island north of shad Harbor called Goodwin's Island. They 403 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:27.599 actually own an island up there, interviewed Norman Smith for us for this podcast. 404 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.199 So a huge thank you to John for providing the interview for this episode. 405 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.360 And towards the end of the interview, Norman Swift, Norman Smith actually 406 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.840 gives me a shout out. He uses my real he uses my real name, 407 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.159 so you're gonna hear it. But still, how cool is that? 408 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.719 Now? This is this video, this interview, it's a video interview. 409 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.760 So I think we'll put the video on Patreon so our patrons could see Norman 410 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.039 Smith tell his story. Okay, cool listeners, don't miss out. Join 411 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:58.119 our Patreon so you too could see this first hand account. A link to 412 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.719 our Patreon is in the show notes. Anyway, let's hear Norman Smith describe 413 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.360 what he witnessed that night in nineteenth In October nineteen sixty seven, Oscar, 414 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:13.880 could we play the interview? Yes? So, what's your name, Norman 415 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.719 Smith? Norman Smith? And where were you at nineteen sixty seven when I 416 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:21.119 guess something hit the water? What hit the water? Where were you at? 417 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.360 Well? When I when I first seen it, David Kendrick and I 418 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.239 a friend of mine, was coming from Cape Island and we lived in Shag 419 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:34.119 Arbor at the time, and we see this thing in the over top of 420 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.840 the trees. The lights. The first light looked like a full moon, 421 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:40.639 and the next light was like that, and smaller and smaller till the last 422 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.519 morning on the tail end was like the size of the light bulb, and 423 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.599 it was pointing at the ground and it was stopped, and we thought it 424 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.400 was a plane going away from us, and we could see the lights on 425 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.199 it like going straight away. You couldn't tell whether it was moving or not. 426 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.760 So we pulled over the side the highway and I got out. I 427 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.559 couldn't hear nothing, you couldn't see nothing, like a total quiet. Yeah, 428 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:13.760 total choiet. Got Mosquito wan't afford him. He held my video here. 429 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.400 Anyway, We pulled over the side of the highway and I got out, 430 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.519 and David said, Jesus, get back in the car. Let's go 431 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:24.800 home and get your father and then follow it out on the lawn so they 432 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:29.400 can see it. We we had to drive but another two kilometers from when 433 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.519 we got to my father's place. I ran the house, got him. 434 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.360 He come out, and then Lawrence lived, my uncle lived on the in 435 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.719 the next house, ran next door and got him. We all stood outside 436 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.880 the mountains. Was coming sirens. We could hear the sirens coming from Barrington. 437 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.920 And we followed the mounties up to the crash site there in jery Garboro, 438 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.559 and it came down out of the sky and it landed on the water. 439 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.400 Did land in the water, on top of it on the on the 440 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.639 water on top of the water. Sat there. Well, yeah, you 441 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.440 could still see the lights, and we watched it for Lake well, there 442 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.480 was sixteen of us and two out of the sixteen, two of them were 443 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:15.480 police officers. They seen it, and after we watched it for probably five 444 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.639 minutes, two to five minutes, it was just sayings, you snapped the 445 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.800 switch and the lights went out, and we never said another thing. Did 446 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.239 you see the sun back up in the sky or did it just lights went 447 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.480 out and the thing disappeared. The lights just disappeared. Wow. We didn't 448 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:34.159 see nothing after that. Wow. So we called the coast guard. The 449 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.760 coast guard was on. Clark said, but then and called the coast guard 450 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.920 and they came up. We went got in two fishing boats and we went 451 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:45.239 out. This was like ten thirty at night when it with search lights looking 452 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.679 for wreckage because we figured it was a plane that could come down in the 453 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:54.280 water. And it was between bom Portage Island, which is like two miles 454 00:37:54.320 --> 00:38:01.199 long, and it was between bom Portage Island and the mainland. And we 455 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.039 went in. When we searched all night long, I never found nothing. 456 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:07.679 We owned family, Our family owned Goodwin's Island. It was it right around 457 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.760 Goodwin's Island. Goodwin's Island is above that, a little bit north of that. 458 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.760 Yeah, did you believe in UFOs before that? Never? Do you 459 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.480 believe in UFOs now? Oh? Yeah, I'd love to see one again. 460 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.920 I like to see the same thing that I see that night. How 461 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:28.039 big was the object? Well in the scullion look like the bigness of a 462 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.760 big plane, big jetline? Was it like long or was it like circular? 463 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:36.280 Could you tell where the lights or circular? And then when it was 464 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.719 in the water all you could see was lights. You couldn't see no object 465 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:45.440 gift below you see. Wow, that's a freaking incredible story. But I 466 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.000 can't believe you're extra there to see it. So this is going to Randy 467 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:53.559 Talker and say hello to Randy and Jason. Are you Randy and Jason and 468 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.199 tell him you're not nuts? And I'm not nuts, So you guys to 469 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:04.719 say that. Thanks Norman. Yeah, what a cool story by Norman. 470 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.599 And I love his accent. And I'll tell you, Norman Smith, he 471 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.840 looks just like how you would expect a kind, tough, old Canadian raised 472 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.440 by the sea to look like. And what do I mean by that? 473 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.719 Don't know? Join our Patreon to find out. And I know before we 474 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.320 played the interview, I said he mentioned my last name, and we're going 475 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.719 to hear it, but I think Oscar and Post we decided to bleep out 476 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:32.159 that that last name correct, correct, and you just had a chance magic 477 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:36.320 of editing to watch that video. Finally, what did you think? What 478 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.760 did you think of Norman Smith's story? It's a cool story at it feels 479 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:44.599 like I've both an all timer's story, and because it's about his youth, 480 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.800 and you know, it tells a story about seeing the lights and then and 481 00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.320 then deciding to go to get his father back and then to see the lights 482 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.559 with him, It's like becomes like a moment, like a family moment to 483 00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.400 share, you know. And I like how he I guess a lot of 484 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.559 that time of him seeing the lights and trying to intercept the lights, you 485 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.920 know, when they landed on the water, that he wanted to to maybe 486 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.519 help because he thought it was like human, like a human aircraft. He 487 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.599 thought that maybe something crashed and wanted to see if there's wreckage and whatnot. 488 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.719 And obviously he never found anything, like he said, but like it was 489 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.800 dark. It must have been really pitch black out there. I can't imagine 490 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.599 doing that in a searchlight. But man, it was such a cool story, 491 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:35.039 and I like how he described it and some of the words. He 492 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.239 mentioned something before I didn't know what that word meant, but you know, 493 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.639 some colloquialism, I'm sure. Yeah, it was a cool story, nice, 494 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.039 very unique to have that for the show. I'm very grateful for that. 495 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.360 Now, getting back to the to the overall story, one of the 496 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.199 Mounties the police who witnessed the UFO bobbing in the water. He called for 497 00:40:55.239 --> 00:41:00.679 a coastguard cutter, a rescue shit in other words, and so that cutter 498 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.639 was on site, along with a few fishing boats that were already in the 499 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.719 area, and a search began. What was described as a thick, sulfurous 500 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:16.159 yellow foam drifted up from the harbor's depths and created this large slick on the 501 00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:21.639 surface of the water, described as being about eighty feet wide and a half 502 00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.159 mile long, kind of like the gas and oil slick that floats on top 503 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.239 of the ocean when God forbid, an airliner goes down. Same thing. 504 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.920 The yellow foam was the only evidence that something was there in the water somewhere 505 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:43.840 deep below these search vessels. As the story goes, no wreckage and no 506 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:49.280 bodies were ever recovered from this Shag Harbor incident. By the next morning, 507 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:55.840 RCC Halifax or the Joint Rescue Coordination Center in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and 508 00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:04.079 the local NORAD station determined that all commercial, private, and military aircraft were 509 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:09.719 accounted for along the entire Eastern Seaboard. It was looking less and less likely 510 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:16.519 that whatever crashed in Shag Harbor originated from Earth. Right. For three days, 511 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.400 divers searched the harbor's icy depths for any evidence of a downcraft, and 512 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.599 officially nothing was ever found. It's like it never happened, although there are 513 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:35.360 people that swear this isn't true. Some locals are convinced artifacts were recovered but 514 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.880 kept secret. Isn't this always the case with stories like this? Right, 515 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:46.159 a local fisherman claimed he saw maybe divers bring up aluminum colored metal from the 516 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:52.239 harbor's depths. No word on whether or not this actually happened, or if 517 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.000 the debris recovered had anything to do with an actual UFO. I can tell 518 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.360 you no official documents exist that detail anything being recovered from the crash at Shag 519 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.360 Harbor, but who knows? And really this is where the official story of 520 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:12.719 the Shag Harbor UFO crashed ends. But according to legend, this is not 521 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.960 where the shag Harbor UFO incident ends. You see, there was a supposed 522 00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:23.159 second recovery effort off the coast of Shelbourne, Nova Scotia, about a thirty 523 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:29.719 seven minute car ride from Shag Harbor. According to a military witness, he 524 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.559 was allegedly briefed that the UFO that crashed in the water at Shag Harbor had 525 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.840 originally been picked up on radar coming out of Siberia. After crashing in Shag 526 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:45.840 Harbor, the UFO traveled underwater to the coast, up to the coast and 527 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:51.599 came to rest on top of a submarine magnetic detection grid reportedly off of Shelburne, 528 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.199 where it was supposedly joined by a second vehicle, a second UFO or 529 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:04.599 maybe in this case, a USO an unidentified submersible object. In his book 530 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.119 called Dark Object, the World's Only Government documented UFO Crash, a book about 531 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:16.159 the Shag Harbor incident, author and UFO researcher Chris Stiles describes a remarkably tantalizing 532 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:22.920 incident that took place immediately after the crash at Shag Harbor. In Dark Object, 533 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:30.280 styles claims to have interviewed former military insiders and members of the Canadian Navy's 534 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.639 Fleet diving Unit, who told him that the unidentified object spotted in Shag Harbor 535 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:40.800 had submerged under its own power. Didn't sink because it crashed. It submerged 536 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.000 on its own and traveled to a spot on the seabed off of Shelbourne, 537 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:51.639 Nova, Scotia. Styles sources told them that a secret flotilla was dispatched, 538 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:58.400 a secret fleet of ships, in this case six American and Canadian destroyers. 539 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.079 They were dispatched and ordered to sit on the water and hold station over two 540 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:10.039 UFOs that were sitting on the seabed. Just picture that, six huge, 541 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:16.440 fully manned destroyer ships sitting out on the sea keeping an eye on two UFOs 542 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:23.239 directly underneath them. These weren't scientific research boats or civilian boats. These were 543 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:27.880 the big guns, the biggest guns in fact, why do you think that 544 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:34.039 is? According to Styles as insiders, the flotilla observed one of the UFOs 545 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.199 giving assistance to the other giving it repair, and that the flotilla was ordered 546 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.800 as a recovery mission to get a hold of that sweet sweet alien technology. 547 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.440 But when divers went down to determine what would be needed for the recovery mission 548 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.360 to ascertain what they were dealing with and how to deal with it. The 549 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.840 divers saw that they were active. There was activity taking place on the seafloor 550 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.440 between the two UFOs, like one UFO was lending assistance to the other. 551 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:09.239 The divers even claimed to have seen biological activity like actual physical aliens. That's 552 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:15.960 when top military brass decided to change the mission from recovery to observation only. 553 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:22.519 The destroyer flotilla sat over the submerged UFOs observing them for a week, when, 554 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:28.440 as the story goes, a Soviet submarine decided to violate the then twelve 555 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.840 mile international limit between the two countries Russia and Canada in an attempt to make 556 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:38.280 contact with the UFOs. The powerful US and Canadian flotilla were ordered to show 557 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:45.639 challenge to these Soviet intruders, and as this confrontation was unfolding, both UFOs 558 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.239 leave the seabed where they'd been sitting and move quickly toward the Gulf of Maine, 559 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.880 where they shoot up from the seafloor, break the surface, and fly 560 00:46:52.960 --> 00:47:00.039 away. Now, as crazy as all this sounds, this departure from the 561 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.360 coincides with the second major UFO siding on October eleventh, nineteen sixty seven, 562 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:12.199 so seven days after the crash at shag Harbor of two UFOs sited in the 563 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.199 Gulf of Maine area by multiple witnesses from Shag Harbor to Yarmouth, Nova, 564 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:22.480 Scotia. Now, possibly even more amazing is at the time in the Shelbourn 565 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.760 area where the secret Destroyer flotilla was stationed. Above the two UFOs, there 566 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:35.800 was a top secret Canadian military base disguised as an oceanographic institute. The name 567 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:42.639 of this secret facility was the Canadian Forces Stationed Shelburn or CFS Shellburn, and 568 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:50.039 its purpose was to use underwater microphones and magnetic detection devices to listen for Soviet 569 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:55.599 submarines in the Atlantic, and this secret base, CFS Shellburn, could listen 570 00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:02.559 to the entire Atlantic Ocean. It said that their microphones belonging to CFS Shelburn 571 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:09.519 heard everything they heard the initial crash and submerging at shag Harbor. They heard 572 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:15.559 the two UFOs leave Shag Harbor and situate themselves on the seabed off of Shelburn, 573 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.440 which is how they knew to get the secret Destroyer flotilla out over to 574 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.440 the UFO's exact resting spot. The microphones heard the UFOs leave the Shelburn area 575 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.760 and head to the Gulf of Maine, and they likely even heard the two 576 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.639 UFOs break the surface at the Gulf of Maine as they headed off into the 577 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:37.639 sky towards god knows where. Now, if this is true, this is 578 00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:43.280 just amazing. But that's the thing, no one knows if this is true 579 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.280 or not. I mean, yes, something did land or crash in Shag 580 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.960 Harbor on the night of October fourth, nineteen sixty seven, There's no question 581 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.280 about that. And yes, tons of people saw this thing, including civilians, 582 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.519 a boat captain and his crew, the police, and pilots. Can't 583 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.280 forget that. We also heard a first hand account in this episode, So 584 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.320 yes, something did happen, and there's even a photograph of something. Just 585 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.800 check the show notes. And that something coincides with the story told by Air 586 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:16.639 Canada flight three h five, the Blue Explosion. And there really was a 587 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:22.760 secret submarine detection facility a short distance from Shag Harbor. And yes, official 588 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:29.760 records do state that this was an actual unidentified flying object a UFO, and 589 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:35.159 exactly what that UFO was a plane, a satellite, space debris or an 590 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:39.039 alien craft is anyone's guess. But the rest of it, the flotilla of 591 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.079 destroyers, two UFOs, alien beings, a Russian sub All that is hearsay 592 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.159 with no documentation to back any of it up. But man, I hope 593 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:54.039 it's true. What a story. Right now? Before we close this episode, 594 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.960 I just want to mention that over the years, decades more like, 595 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:02.880 people have searched the seab at Shag Harbor numerous times looking for that one piece 596 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:08.000 of evidence that proved the world that this really was an alien craft that crashed. 597 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:15.679 Divers claimed to have found circular indentations in the seafloor on top of which, 598 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.559 for some reason, no vegetation would grow and no crustacean would crawl. 599 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.119 In Around nineteen eighty eight, a man named Gordon Fader, a local marine 600 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.840 geologist, scanned the seafloor with a certain type of radar can't remember what it 601 00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:36.960 was called, and found a series of four circles or four round depressions in 602 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:43.079 the seafloor, an inconsistency for the sea bottom in Shag Harbor when compared to 603 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.960 the rest of the environment, and each depression was roughly twenty one feet around. 604 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:52.480 They reminded Faighter of the markings left by a drilling station, even though 605 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:59.480 no drilling station ever existed in Shag Harbor. Now. In twenty nineteen, 606 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:07.840 Celine and Fabian Cousteau Cousteau, grandchildren of the late great oceanographer and conservationalist Jacques 607 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:13.519 Cousteau, one of my heroes, brought their television series Legends of the Deep 608 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.360 to Shag Harbor in hopes of finding evidence of a UFO on the seafloor, 609 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:23.079 or at the very least the four mysterious circular impressions mapped by Gordon Fader in 610 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:30.559 nineteen eighty eight. Unfortunately, the Cousteau's they didn't find either. The Cousteaus 611 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.880 believed that if the markings left by a UFO crash were there, or the 612 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.599 weird circular impressions were there, at some time in the past, decades of 613 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:47.199 ocean currents eroded any evidence away and now it's lost forever. But they don't 614 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:54.559 completely deny that a UFO could have crashed there. It's a very interesting story. 615 00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:59.800 That's what I got on the Shag Harbor UFO incident. I really do 616 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.280 you know if any of them films or anything like that has been made from 617 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.960 it, you know, I didn't. I honestly, tons of documentaries. 618 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.159 I feel sensationalized enough for like it might be. I mean, that's sensationalized. 619 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.920 I mean I feel like it can be sensationalized into like a film or 620 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.480 a TV series. Yeah, I don't. I don't know if an actual 621 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.280 movie, you know, Hollywood movie was made about this, I don't think 622 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:27.039 so. I didn't look for that in particular. But plenty of documentaries, 623 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.000 some good, some terrible. Yeah, no, I bet a good I 624 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:36.360 would say, A good fountain of information out there. Some of it you 625 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.000 have to dig for, especially that that second half when when the UFO submerged 626 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:46.000 and then went off to another resting location. Not a lot of information on 627 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.639 that, you really have to search for that. But lots of lots of 628 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.719 information about the actual Shag Harbor crash itself out there, but no one talks 629 00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:59.239 about it. I don't know why. Fascinating story, great story. I 630 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:05.079 wonder if that's because the people of Nova Scotia and maybe therefore the country, 631 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.159 they're like, well, they did talk about it that that that decade, 632 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.000 that year. It was talked about, and now we're over it where they're 633 00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.880 over it. And I mean it's not like this goes on periodically or anything. 634 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:22.320 It's not like that location is a hotbed for this activity. It was 635 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.800 that time, that day, right that night, right that night, right 636 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:31.880 October third, fourth, and but but yeah, these these incidents not gonna 637 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.599 force you force you like forget them, honestly, which happens a lot with 638 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:43.920 other incidents too, because they happen, what what whatever it is and we 639 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.519 have to move on, Like what are you gonna do? Wait for the 640 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:51.119 next one? Not live a life while you do that? Not you know 641 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.440 what do you? Yeah, we can't track them. We don't know what 642 00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.960 they are. We don't know. We just don't know enough. All we 643 00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.159 can do is marvel at the incidents and just track them and log them as 644 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.320 we can. Yeah, but it's a great story. I definitely didn't hear 645 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.559 of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great story. I can tell 646 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:15.800 you. Shag Harbor is a lot like Roswell in that this fantastic incident completely 647 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:22.599 shaped the community, you know, the town. Yeah, you know, 648 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.760 they have their UFO festivals, they embrace it. I wonder do they do 649 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.800 they have that landing platform there. Landing platform, No, they probably don't 650 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:38.119 you ever heard of a landing platform being made there for potentially other UFOs? 651 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.960 Oh, I know what you talk about. No, nothing that I found 652 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.400 like that. No, no, no, I don't think Norm Smith would 653 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.039 deal with that. Well, I'm sure it's not just up to him. 654 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:57.199 But yeah, so yeah, I don't know. That's shag Harbor UFO incident. 655 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.400 Pretty amazing. Yeah, guys, let us not I you've heard of 656 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:04.280 it before. We'd like to know. And then what kind of like maybe 657 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.159 misconceptions you had on the story that we may be cleared up here, or 658 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.400 maybe you have additional information that we just don't know. That would be interesting, 659 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.760 That would be cool. But obviously I'm less likely for that to happen. 660 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:20.920 But if it does happen, obviously we're welcoming. Otherwise, I don't 661 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.079 I don't have a lot else something. And then I just mean, I 662 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:30.119 don't have any questions or anything other than it is. There's not a question, 663 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.960 I guess as a remark, But like the difference in the countries respond 664 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:39.280 our next door neighbors write their responses, is that kind of gets to me. 665 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:45.119 It's just as surprising as seeing you know, you're telling the story about 666 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.400 all these witnesses and accounts and pictures, and you know it's just as amazing, 667 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.320 just as amazing as the way their government or responding officers or whatever you 668 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.599 want to call it, air people responding to this and compared to two hours, 669 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:06.719 Yeah, oh yeah, to this day even more so, it is 670 00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:12.039 astounding and it sucks, it does. But hopefully disclosures on the horizon, 671 00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.719 right, we'll get it all. Who knows, But Canadon's a big place, 672 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:21.280 though it is. Yeah, yeah, they seem to be a lot 673 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:27.159 more lax or loose with their UFO reports and things. H they seemingly are. 674 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.280 I wonder if there are many others So there are not that you maybe 675 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:37.719 you may not know the number, but I wonder what other incidents have they 676 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:43.079 encountered. Oh there's tons, There's tons. I can't think of one off 677 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.159 the top of my head. But canad has had its line share of UFO 678 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.400 sightings for sure. Right, I imagine they would have to not because of 679 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.159 the land they all, but they're also next two hours and we get a 680 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.079 lot, so understands the reason that they should get a lot too, right, 681 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.000 Yeah, I mean just within wrapped in this Shag Harbor incident. A 682 00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:05.000 week later, seven days later, off the Gulf of Maine, there was 683 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:13.039 another dual UFO sighting, which supposedly coincides to them leaving the seabed right like 684 00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:15.360 I mentioned in the in the story here. But so yeah, they've definitely 685 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.960 had their their fair share. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe one day we'll 686 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.599 research more. Yeah, and let us know what you thought of the Norman 687 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.159 Smith interview. That was the first place, Yes, that was, and 688 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.519 that cow it's uniquely tailored for our show. Yeah yeah. And he also 689 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.760 mentioned Randy Tucker, who's of Somewhere out There Radio. He's been on the 690 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.679 show before. So yeah, super super cool, something very unique for this 691 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:44.719 show. Yeah, man, good job, I love it. Awesome. 692 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.800 Well, if that's it, Oscar, will you fly us home? Yes, 693 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:52.079 but you hate flying I do. I hate UFOs too. I'll take 694 00:57:52.119 --> 00:58:31.480 you on a ship. There we go. Mm hm h there we go. 695 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:45.239 Yeah. Week and a half ish week week mm hmmm mm yeah. 696 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.679 Uh yeah. No. Today my brother and my nephew came by to visit, 697 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:54.239 which has been a long time since. It was good, Like, 698 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.599 you know, he did his homework here and stuff. We say pizza and 699 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.679 they saw the girls. Yeah, and they're great. I just cracked open. 700 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.119 I carved the punkin for them because they love pumpkins. Oh m hm, 701 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:12.480 so you carve like a jackal entern Yeah, I mean, no shapes. 702 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.920 I just carved like ins and outs in the pumpkin, and so they 703 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:22.159 can climb around in there. Oh that's stupid adorable. It is really ridiculously 704 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.639 adorable. And they love to eat the seeds. So what I do is 705 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:28.840 I just like toast the seats a bit and then give it to them. 706 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:34.039 Oh wow, and it's all over and that is cool. Yeah, it's 707 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:45.079 cool. Nice. Then containers shipping containers quadrupled or whatever the number after quadruple 708 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.119 is, I don't know, and dimpled yeah, quin oh good, quintupled 709 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:54.480 in price. If not more containers are coming over half half full, you 710 00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:59.960 get them to the US ports, there's problems getting the products off the ships 711 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:07.800 because of shortage of longshoreman, problems at customs. Then there's shortage of train, 712 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:13.280 cars, trucks, truck drivers, you name it. So it's it's 713 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:17.519 a real domino effect of it's there's a problem in every sort of process between 714 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.800 someone clicking to order and getting that to them. Yes, like from that 715 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:30.320 point to this point, it's a real fucking trial. Yeah, and there's 716 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.480 no end in sight. There's no end in sight. We're not going to 717 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:39.679 have product until probably March April May of twenty twenty two. Yeah, no, 718 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.119 wow, and no one's talking about it. Drive by a use a 719 01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:51.519 car lot an auto dealership. Half the lot is empty because they can't get 720 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.239 cars in because there's no computer chips to put in the cars. Like there 721 01:00:55.280 --> 01:01:00.760 is a four dealership like a block away all right for me, the one 722 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.360 with the funny commercial, the golf Mill forward. Oh, I remember, 723 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:07.159 it's right there. Yeah, it's like a block away. What does that 724 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:12.480 look like? It does look emptier, But I never really look at it 725 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.880 anymore. I don't come from that direction anymore. That's why I don't look 726 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.639 at it as much. But the few times that I have, I have 727 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:21.039 You're right, I have noticed that they have lesser cars. They usually put 728 01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:25.800 their overflow across the street into the empty parking lots that no one uses in 729 01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.639 the golf Mill center, the mall, because they have so much parking spaces 730 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.280 in the far edges that no one uses except for like drug dealers. And 731 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:39.440 cops looking for speeders it so they use their overflow. I haven't seen overflow 732 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:45.159 there and since COVID, yeah see, you know, yeah, yeah, 733 01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:51.119 it's it's a very real thing, and it's it's getting worse and I don't 734 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:54.880 know, I don't know. It's it's I'm starting to think there's more to 735 01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:02.119 it, there's some concerted effort to do something. But mm hmm. Yeah, 736 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.800 this is the kind of thing that makes us, that makes our I 737 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:12.159 don't want say profession, but our podcasts or our beliefs in or not believes 738 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.480 in conspiracies, but our talks about conspiracies a little more legit because it's like, 739 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:20.119 no one's gonna I'm not gonna blame anyone for saying they don't believe all 740 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.440 these conspiracies. Obviously, it's it's kind of unbelievable some of this stuff, 741 01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:29.239 and I get it, but I can't imagine. But what's even more unbelievable 742 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.480 is if someone comes to me and says, there's no there is absolutely no 743 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:36.480 conspiracies out there ever, Right, Yeah, I agree, that's a good 744 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.480 point. Right, No such thing, no way you believe in, you 745 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:43.480 believe in none of them. None of them are true. None of them 746 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.960 whatsoever are true. No way, no way, impossible. That's way more. 747 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:52.599 That's way less likely than believing in five or something or a few of 748 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.960 them. You're right, especially the world we're living in today, right, 749 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.199 Yeah, it's it's a strange place, strange time. Man. Yeah, 750 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.199 it is more and more every day, it seems, or at least more 751 01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:12.119 is shown. Right. Yeah. So that's what's been up with me a 752 01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.559 lot. And it's been it's been rough. It's been rough. Okay, 753 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.159 we obviously it's not gonna be part of the main show. But I'm gonna 754 01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.480 start with asking you. Oh no, yeah, I'm gonna start by asking 755 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:27.960 you before I ask about the movie, what blood pressure it's already going on. 756 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.840 How do you feel today about the ending of the show? I know 757 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:36.519 we've talked about it before. Yeah, yeah, and I think I remember, 758 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:39.320 if I remember correctly, is that you have either calmed down from that 759 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:45.079 ending or have retrofittedly, like think something else about it, you know. 760 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:49.599 I mean, I'm not angry about it anymore. I was at the time 761 01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.360 for sure, just like everybody else, you were so invested in this show 762 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:58.159 and these characters, and you know, became a ritual to watch and then 763 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:01.519 to have it end like that was just it felt like a slap in the 764 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:06.119 face at the time, right, And I still think it's a it's a 765 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:11.039 shitty way to end the show. It's a piss poor way. Oh we're 766 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:15.599 gonna leave it up to the audience. No, fuck you, you're lazy. 767 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:16.639 That's that's the way I feel about it. But yeah, I'm over 768 01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:20.760 it. I would never watch it again. But oh I want to watch 769 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:28.199 it again. Okay, So I said, because I wasn't sure, because 770 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:29.800 I thought, I don't know if you change your mind or not. But 771 01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:31.079 you haven't. But you're still not, Like you're not mad anymore, but 772 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.599 like you haven't changed your mind about the ending, correct. I mean, 773 01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:36.519 I think I have an opinion on what happened, Like I do believe he 774 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.599 got killed, you know. I mean, I don't think it's an opinion 775 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.199 at all. I don't think it leaves anything ambiguous. I think they'll die. 776 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.280 It's one hundred percent for sure. I don't see why people have were 777 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.239 confused by it in my opinion. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I 778 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.880 was with you on that day too, because I think we saw it together, 779 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:56.800 did did we We were at we were at our place in oak Park. 780 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.360 Yeah, I went to the oak Park place a lot. I think 781 01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:01.559 we saw it together, did we? Okay, I don't remember, but 782 01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.760 I remember that we thought the same thing, Like the I remember thinking the 783 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:06.519 same thing. I know you did too. So again, maybe that's why 784 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:14.800 I'm confusing it, but that the fucking cable went out or absolutely I literally 785 01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:18.239 got up and checked the back of the television. Right, but then and 786 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.039 that was the same way. But you know, there's there's two to two 787 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:26.639 things with that, and one of them is that culturally, you know, 788 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.800 everyone claims a lot of people, critics, mainly critics and filmmakers, claim 789 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.960 that The Sopranos is the is when the golden age of cinema TV started, 790 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:40.239 Right, golden age of TV shows started and came out, and before that 791 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:44.880 TV shows were ship compared until the Sopranos came. Right, That's how good 792 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.800 it was, right, And I agree, it's a great fucking show. 793 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.199 Yeah, you know, I've since we watched the show once more and I 794 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:57.559 have the Blu rays. I'm gonna watch it again that maybe maybe next year 795 01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.400 or this year. I don't know when I'll start because I have the race 796 01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:04.199 and and when I we watched it years later, but now it's been years 797 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:08.920 since then with a friend that was showing it to the for for the first 798 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:11.840 time. To her, I was like noticing how much funny it was. 799 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.280 I'm like, oh my god, this is really funny and great and it's 800 01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.559 fucking awesome. I found out that my second rewatched that the show is very 801 01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:25.119 obvious. It's super obvious. There's nothing ambiguous as far as what's going to 802 01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.800 happen at the end. Yeah, exactly, exactly, nothing ambiguous about it. 803 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:30.280 I saw it again, I was like, it was so painfully obvious 804 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:38.000 that Jay Jay's eyes today will notice it immediately. Really, yes, if 805 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.159 you've seen it for the first time today, you would still like, oh, 806 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.519 yeah, they're all dead. It's a for Metal who's parking in the 807 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:51.239 front right, so A J two yeah and yah yeah. So here's why 808 01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.960 it's obvious. One And I don't know if you remember this, because again 809 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.000 we saw a lot of these episodes together in that last season. There's a 810 01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.880 deal that Tony does with Colombians. I think I don't remember some South American 811 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:10.000 cartel or group of criminals, and they're talking like being not behind his back, 812 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:12.840 but they're talking in Spanish in front of him in order for him not 813 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.840 to understand them, and I translated it for you that day. I said, 814 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.440 holy shit. He said something about bumping him off, about doing some 815 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:26.199 hit on him or something. He said something like that, you say it 816 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.639 like that, But he said, are we going to do that thing with 817 01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.119 Tony soon? But he said it to his partner in Spanish, as Tony's 818 01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:34.519 looking puzzly at him, like what did you say? I don't understand you, 819 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:39.119 you know, as they're finishing this deal, and I remember, and 820 01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:42.320 again I have do we watch it again because I don't remember the details anymore, 821 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:48.880 But I know that that involved Pauli and involved like that's Paullie's scheme or 822 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:56.719 plan or not or whatever. And that my my hypothesis, again not knowing 823 01:07:56.719 --> 01:08:00.719 the details anymore, is that was at the time that Pauli these guys to 824 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.840 kill Tony after this deal was made with with whoever the big bad was at 825 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:09.159 the time, and that Paulie was taking over because he was the only remaining 826 01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:14.360 crew member. Oh my god, because still was dead. Everyone else is 827 01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:18.359 dead, everyone's dead. By that point, Bill was dead, so they 828 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.720 still got killed. When he got shot. Remember, I don't, I 829 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:26.039 honestly don't. He got shot in the last episode or the second to last 830 01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:29.800 episode, I don't want to say. And then Paulie was the only remaining 831 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.960 one. He was having a lot of troubles with Tony and his leadership and 832 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.960 his bullshit, you know, the whole thing with the mom, with the 833 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.239 whole thing with the church. He was constantly like fucking hating everyone and hating 834 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.880 how his life was in the shitty house and shit and kind of I think 835 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:44.720 he wanted more and I think he planned this thing. That was my idea 836 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.359 anyway, but that's not you know, that's just a hypothesis. Now to 837 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:53.800 the ending, the second to the last episode, Tony literally or was this 838 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.279 like, yeah, it was second to the last episode. Uh, Tony 839 01:08:56.319 --> 01:09:00.880 literally They do a flashback on earlier that season where Tony and some guy talks 840 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.680 about how it feels, how how when you die it all goes to black? 841 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:10.800 Did they really they really said it? They literally they not only put 842 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:13.720 it in the season, but they also flashed back to it. And this 843 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:17.399 in the episode before the ending. Holy shit. Well, Tony mentions that 844 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.039 how it goes to black when nothing happens just goes to black and you're just 845 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.560 gone, and then and then the movie and then the show ends that way. 846 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.920 It's so obvious that what makes Yeah, I don't remember any of that, 847 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:33.119 man, because we were watching it. We were just watching it too 848 01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:36.000 closely. We were just watching it too closely in week by week, and 849 01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:40.439 we were just not paying attention. I wasn't either back then. Wow, 850 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:47.960 I missed it. I completely missed it. Yeah. Well then if if 851 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:50.479 all that is true, then all of a sudden, the ending is completely 852 01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.800 different. Yeah. Right, that's what I'm saying. You know, it's 853 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.600 pretty obvious too. And you know which are the two goons that come in 854 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.920 after Tony into the restaurant? Y, You know that those two of the 855 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.680 once they're just waiting for them to all sit down ship. Maybe they're waiting 856 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:04.600 for Meadow and she takes too long and the just do it. You know. 857 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:10.880 Wow mm hmmm. So I wasn't sure about the whole family. I 858 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:14.560 just thought Tony maybe, But that's horrible, no, because I think you 859 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.439 were only one guy. I think is more obvious that it would be all 860 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:21.880 of them if if there were more than one. Yeah. Yeah, And 861 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:28.159 I love the poly theory, like I really had whenever we watch it. 862 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:32.079 But I've been having conversations with people. I wasn't just you that hated the 863 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:36.520 movie and then maybe you know, made them talk about the show and how 864 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.600 they hated the ending. I'm like, I'm like, it wasn't that bad, 865 01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:43.640 guys. But anyway, so the movie, Oh God, what did 866 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:45.199 you want from the movie? I have asked my question to you, what 867 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.199 did you expect when before you hit play? What did you I really thought 868 01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:54.279 it was. I really thought it was going to be the New Jersey crew 869 01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:58.560 that we loved, right with the with the series. I thought it was 870 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.079 going to be a New Jersey crew or origin story, seeing them all grow 871 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:05.039 up getting involved in That's also what I wanted. That's what we all wanted. 872 01:11:05.239 --> 01:11:10.079 You're right. I also did not expect that. Yeah, and for 873 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.720 people to say, oh, well you should have known by many Saints Malta 874 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:18.000 Sante fuck off. No one expected that's what it was gonna be. I'm 875 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:26.399 sorry, some character that was randomly mentioned throughout the Soprano series, it was 876 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:29.920 gonna doesn't make sense, you know? They did? They did a dead 877 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.520 Wood movie right that were from the show that never got finished. They did 878 01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.600 a Deadwood movie. Years later, ten years, I think then the tenth 879 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:41.640 year anniversary of the show ending, they did a movie to like to put 880 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:48.000 to make a finale right now. If that movie involved like some father's side 881 01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:51.039 character version of that, I would have been pissed. But it wasn't. 882 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:56.199 They They included every motherfucker from the show. It was about them, you 883 01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:00.239 know, so like I get it, and I was with you, and 884 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.640 I think what I should have done is that I should have read or seen 885 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:08.560 it. I should have read the plot synopsis before, or I should have 886 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:13.039 seen the trailer before, because then I wouldn't have been And then I would 887 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.840 go into that movie knowing that it's not about the crew, the loved crew 888 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:17.880 that we know. I mean, it's about some of them a little bit, 889 01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.600 but not really a little bit, like they're like in the background. 890 01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:25.359 Like I mean, it was fucked up seeing Tony's mom, like, oh 891 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.439 my god, like, oh my, this is the beginning of the of 892 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:30.920 the headaches with the mother, you know, and I she did a good 893 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:35.359 job over here for me. You reminded me so much of that old oh 894 01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:40.399 my, oh my gosh, shut up, Like I'm like, it's so 895 01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.600 bullshit. I'm I can see why Tony needs fucking therapy. Yeah, yeah, 896 01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:47.079 right, And they do a couple of scenes with Tony, but like 897 01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:49.239 it wasn't enough. You're right, I wanted more. And the thing is 898 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:53.640 that I don't know what they thought they were trying to do with this, 899 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:58.640 because this movie, like it depends on the knowledge, It depends on you 900 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.640 knowing the Sopranos the show to work because they do a lot of shorthand they 901 01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.239 don't have to explain. They linger on characters that if this movie wasn't about 902 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.760 Sopranos, let's say it was just a period gangster movie in New Jersey, 903 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.439 Like they would have to explain a lot more, or they wouldn't linger on 904 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.159 a character that we don't give a shit about because we don't know who Tony 905 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:21.039 or Paudier still is. Right, But like the fact that they did both 906 01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:25.079 of those is like, you're right. It is like the worst version of 907 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.399 both worlds. Like you need the show to watch the movie, but you 908 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:31.319 want a different movie in order to appreciate the show more. Yeah, good 909 01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.600 way to put it. That's exactly right. Yeah, So I ultimately I 910 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:38.359 ultimately agree with you. I don't think it was as bad as your text 911 01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:43.399 threat. I wasn't that wasn't like that me. My biggest problem was that 912 01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.159 what in the fuck? I mean, forget Polish stroy Okay, forget Polish 913 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:55.840 story. There's nobody better like Okay, John Burenthal is Italian, he's not 914 01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.520 Italian. But why the fuck is that white guy June? Uncle June is 915 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.600 not that guy? Who? Who is that guy? You mean? Like, 916 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.960 what was the guy's name? Name? He's in like some Dominicchianese Genese 917 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:11.199 I think is who played Uncle June? Dominicanese? Oh no, I'm saying 918 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.039 in the in them and this movie? Oh yeah, no, no, 919 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:17.439 no, played him with some white guy? What it? What he was 920 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.279 in that vampire TV shows? What I know him from? Uh? Yes, 921 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:26.039 yes, with the boy he's also from the House of Cards. Oh 922 01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.199 okay, yeah, But like dominic Chianese, he didn't have a son or 923 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.239 a grandson that could have played him. They they had to pull in this 924 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:38.960 guy they pulled in? Did they pulled in? Uh? You know Tony's 925 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:43.399 real son or whatever what's the name? Oh, to be him, right, 926 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:45.640 Michael or whatever? That worked and he was a good actor. I 927 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.960 think he did a good job. But like there was forget sons, like, 928 01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:54.920 there's really no Italian of them, Jesus Christ, there's so many. 929 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.880 They built bridges here. They can't act. Of course, they can't act. 930 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:00.720 So I was thinking like that bothered me way more. I'm like, 931 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:04.159 what are you doing? Movie? Like, what is this? Yeah? 932 01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:08.640 I didn't know that was Uncle June. Until you'll find them as racist when 933 01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:13.000 they're just differently they're themselves or miscast. It's just so, I can't. 934 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.720 I just all I felt wrong, Yeah, exactly wrong. Paulie looked like 935 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:20.840 a fucking I don't even know what he looked like. Oh Paulie, Oh 936 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:24.720 no, I think that was he looked almost like exactly like paul did you 937 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.560 think? So make a younger Pouli with the suit, him giving a ship 938 01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.560 about the suit and when they tortured that guy and he still explores blood on 939 01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.079 him. That's such a poly scene. I can see like an older Polly 940 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:35.159 going, yeah, I can see that. Okay, how about good? 941 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.119 How about pussy? Yeah, pussy was bad. I don't know what that 942 01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:47.439 was in two radiotas, What is it with the what is it with that? 943 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:53.319 I don't, I don't, I don't. I mean, I feel 944 01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:56.479 like maybe if I watched the show, are they gonna mention some twins in 945 01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:00.479 the show? Right and there? I don't know what they did they mind 946 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:02.399 the show to get that information and they're like, oh, well we mentioned 947 01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:05.840 twins. Either there are hardcore fans out there, we gotta we gotta put 948 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:11.479 them in. Is that what they did or because it's so it's a very 949 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:15.119 obscure fact because I didn't know, right, yes, Like it's a deep 950 01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:17.399 cut, like the cut of a fifteen year old show. You know, 951 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:20.680 I don't know if it works. I don't know. I was with you 952 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:23.359 on that. I don't get it. I mean, I like Realioda, 953 01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:28.159 but like he's dead, like kill fuck cast someone else. I don't know, 954 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:33.319 yeah, catch someone else. I literally thought something. I thought like 955 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:39.520 my stream skipped or you know, oh really something happened with the stream and 956 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:44.159 it just skipped ahead. Yeah uh, and I missed all the explanation. 957 01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:46.479 But no, no, no, twin raaliotas. Yeah, I feel like 958 01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:51.039 this, you know it would this movie. I would have appreciated this movie 959 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:56.840 had we had already that movie of the crew going up and if we go 960 01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.560 back more in time, like a second one from after all that, like 961 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.039 what got them going what led to them being the New Jersey Crew that would 962 01:17:04.039 --> 01:17:09.399 eventually lead them into two thousands. Like that, that would have been cool, 963 01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.760 But to start with this no, no, yeah, or maybe a 964 01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.920 part two to this the many New Saints of Newark more Saints of Newark, 965 01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.600 I don't know. Yeah, take it up from when when he did that 966 01:17:19.720 --> 01:17:24.159 stupid pinky thing in the casket. Take it from there in the next movie. 967 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:29.800 Okay, I'm in okay, all right, yeah, yeah, I 968 01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:31.800 don't know how don't feel about that. Actually, I don't like the I 969 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:36.640 don't know if I like their story device at all, because is Chris talking 970 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.880 to us beyond the great? What's going on here? Like, I don't 971 01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:42.920 know if I like their there they got the actor to do it, but 972 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.399 like, yes, yeah, that's the way I took it. Chris is 973 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:49.920 talking to us from the future. Yeah, and he keeps from the future 974 01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:54.640 I guess so, yeah, but he's from a future where he's dead, 975 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:58.560 so yes, because he keeps talking about this guy who's gonna kill him and 976 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:01.560 he's like a teenager right now. He's like the ghost of Christmas future. 977 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:05.479 What the fuck is happening? I don't know. Italian Christmas Future. I 978 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:09.119 don't know how I feel about that. And also, like one of the 979 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:13.640 best things about the show that they did so good was the dream sequences. 980 01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:16.840 Then we had no no dream sequences in this one. It would have been 981 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.319 cool to see something like stick to the bones of what made the show awesome, 982 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:25.640 you know, and make us revisit that by putting a dream sequence, 983 01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:28.640 and it would have been cool. Yeah. True, Again, it's more 984 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.079 of my opinion than that, I guess, But yeah, man, I 985 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:36.560 don't know or or even give me the story of John Bernhal's character. He 986 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.640 was a maniac, a lunatic. That would have been a great story. 987 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:43.520 He did seem like a maniac, and every time he left the screen to 988 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:47.399 do some crazy thing, we just got stuck in somehouse somewhere or something else, 989 01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.439 you know. Yeah, yeah, you're right, I don't know. 990 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:57.840 And then just the way the movie was put together, it was I think 991 01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:00.920 I said this in my text, like it just seemed like in them scenes 992 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.159 forced together. It was. It was very strange, the way it just 993 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:10.640 flowed and moved, and I don't know, it was it was. It 994 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:15.239 was bad. Twenty minutes into it, I text Verio because he was watching 995 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:17.880 it like an hour before I did. He was like an hour ahead of 996 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:21.239 me when I started, So twenty minutes into it, I text him like 997 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:25.479 when does this thing get good? And he just rolle back. It doesn't 998 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:31.720 like oh no, and the whole listen. You know New Jersey Riots. 999 01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.600 I'm sure they were terrible. Maybe that's something we, you know, people 1000 01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:41.720 should be talking about and exploring and whatever. But maybe nine as a pranos 1001 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:45.039 fucking a movie. Yeah, I'm not trying to be insensitive, but again, 1002 01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:53.039 it would have been awesome if it was part of this larger scale like 1003 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:55.560 sequels. Maybe like this, he'd be this. This. This feels like 1004 01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:59.840 a Part two or another Part one movie. It feels like we yeah, 1005 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.199 they did the wrong background check. Yeah yeah. And maybe maybe Chase started 1006 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:09.199 it and realized that it's saying like, tell me, tell me about al 1007 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.000 Capone. I'm like, for that, we're gonna have to start with the 1008 01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:15.800 Romans. I'm like, what, No, No, tell me when he 1009 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:18.119 was born? What do you what tho? How do you get to Chicago 1010 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:26.039 first when the Indians had No? No, it's so you're so right, 1011 01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:29.960 No, I don't want to go that far back. Just tell me about 1012 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.640 al Capone so his mother. No, no, right, that's exactly what 1013 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:39.680 it is. It. Yeah, you're right, I love it. Tell 1014 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:44.640 me about al Capone. Well, the Indians. No, it was a 1015 01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:46.920 garbage dump. I don't give a ship. Yeah about that? Do you 1016 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:51.239 think do you think David Chase started and then realized ship, I don't have 1017 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:57.520 anything, and then just it was he had to finish. Well, here's 1018 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.920 I don't know much about David Chase. I know that he is considered to 1019 01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.680 be extremely I mean, he's a very well writer. He's a great writer 1020 01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:10.000 obviously, but like and director and all that. But I don't know what's 1021 01:21:10.039 --> 01:21:11.840 up his thing. I don't know what he thinks. I don't know if 1022 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:18.239 he's if this is like immense pressure coming out. But if he waited this 1023 01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:23.920 long and felt like he had a story and this was his story, then 1024 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:28.880 he didn't really know his audience. Because I feel like a guy like that 1025 01:21:29.079 --> 01:21:32.079 who doesn't have to really make anything. I'm not saying he's super rich or 1026 01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.880 anything. I'm not sure. I'm sure he's fine, but you know, 1027 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:41.359 he's definitely not as prominent as he used to be. But like, it's 1028 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:45.279 so so long time, it's such a long time ago that people have let 1029 01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:48.159 go like you have with the Sopranos ending, or have forgotten it, or 1030 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.560 you know, saw it and loved it, maybe whatever. But it's been 1031 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:56.319 so long that I can't see why he would feel the need to make one 1032 01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:59.680 and make this. I don't know, was he getting pressure. I have 1033 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:02.520 no idea the background in this movie, but I would love to find out 1034 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.800 what what that is though. Yeah. One thing that I read in a 1035 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:12.000 few different articles was that he wanted he really wanted to do a movie about 1036 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.520 the New Jersey Riots, the Newark Riots. That that was that's what he 1037 01:22:15.640 --> 01:22:20.439 really wanted to do. Yeah, so it seems like he just kind of 1038 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:27.880 spun in the Sopranos too, maybe help fund his little passion project of the 1039 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:31.800 Newark Riots. That I can see. I mean, that's that I can 1040 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:35.479 see. You know. There's a great example of this. Have you seen 1041 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:40.840 ten Cloverfield Lane, Yes, game movie. I don't know, I feel 1042 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.520 loved it, but I loved it. That's one with John Goodman in the 1043 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:46.439 basement right in the Yes, Yeah, I liked it, and Mary Elizabeth 1044 01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:53.359 Wins said, And the movie's great. It's it's it's an actual sequel or 1045 01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:58.239 prequel whatever you want to call it to the Cloverfield you know, found footage, 1046 01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:03.880 horror movie whatever. That was Godzilla movie, right, And it wasn't 1047 01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:09.680 that. For the longest time, that script wasn't written to be a clover 1048 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:15.119 Field movie. It was written as something else, entirely, completely original, 1049 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:21.159 different thing. They retrofitted a clover Field plot in there or whatever with the 1050 01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:28.319 ending in order to get funding to make the movie. Oh see, famously. 1051 01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.119 So it was like a famous little success story. That's how they were 1052 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:38.439 able to make the movie. But that was like a passion ending movie. 1053 01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:45.560 Really that got turned into a bigger head huh. So I wonder if that's 1054 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:47.640 what happened here. It must have. That's the only thing I can think 1055 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:49.960 of. They go up to David Chase and like, man, I want 1056 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:53.520 to make the New York Riots. I'm like, no, it's a fucking 1057 01:23:53.560 --> 01:24:03.479 shit about the New Ork Riot. You may have it, right, we 1058 01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:06.439 have this month or you know, like you know the Python that and like 1059 01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:10.760 but like we know, but we love the Sopranos. You want to do 1060 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.520 once you include them into the New York Riots, see what they were up 1061 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.399 to at the time. We do that you cause they have your new work 1062 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:19.279 riots thing, and then he may look at it and like, well, 1063 01:24:19.319 --> 01:24:24.239 I really want to do new new work rights, right, but the history 1064 01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:29.640 goes too far back to actually include the characters from the Sopranos in a meaningful 1065 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.840 way, right, which is what we wanted like then. But they clearly 1066 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.760 dominated the eighties more right, eighties nineties. Yeah, and they're like, 1067 01:24:36.760 --> 01:24:41.039 oh, it's too far back. So I guess I could go further back 1068 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:45.159 and talk about the Maltis Anti cu and all this shit, and that's where 1069 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:50.840 that makes so much sense. Yeah, I can see that sad sad. 1070 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:56.239 Yeah, and you know it sounds like I was like you, you know, 1071 01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:00.479 you didn't watch any trailers, you didn't read synopsis or any think I 1072 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:03.399 stared purposely away from it. I didn't want to say pretty cleaning on that. 1073 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:06.560 Yeah, I had faith, if I had faith that I was going 1074 01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:11.000 to go in and love this, right, and then they have that shit 1075 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:15.279 happened? Oh my lord? Nothing. Yeah, And I think I said 1076 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.159 this in the text too, But I think my favorite favorite part of the 1077 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:23.479 movie was the foreshadowing with Christopher as a baby. All Right. I remember 1078 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:28.039 mentioning that, Yeah, I actually hated that, did you really? I 1079 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.079 was so on the nose. I'm like, it was just like it's like 1080 01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.439 as dark Rader just says, you know your father right, Like it just 1081 01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:40.640 felt so weird, Like I felt too on the nows. I felt preachy. 1082 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.880 I felt like, look, we're part of that Soprano series. I 1083 01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.159 can totally see. I can see that for sure. I felt off, 1084 01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:48.800 especially when that old lady, the grandma wherever she was, she's like, 1085 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:51.640 you know when babies. I'm like, bitch, you don't need to explain 1086 01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:56.079 it. Yeah, if they just drop that part out, I would. 1087 01:25:56.159 --> 01:25:58.119 I would have been with you and like, okay, that was cool, 1088 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:01.279 Like the baby doesn't want to get near to me, but you don't explain 1089 01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.000 it. What the fuck is wrong with the old bag? So some fucking 1090 01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:08.840 old country shit. Well, what's interesting you mentioned the lady, the grandma 1091 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:12.680 or whatever she was. Another because I read a lot about this movie, 1092 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.199 I wanted to see what people were thinking, and one of the things I 1093 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:21.920 said is that in Soprantic, I vaguely remember this Tony would talk to doctor 1094 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.720 Melfie about having a nightmare about a shadow woman, this shadowy woman who would 1095 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.840 be in his dreams or nightmares. It would scare the ship, and everyone 1096 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:36.920 assumed it was his mother, but they're saying, in actuality, it was 1097 01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:44.000 that woman, that superstitious grandmother figure, whoever she was, that Tony was 1098 01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:47.039 really afraid of, and that's who it was in his dreams. So maybe 1099 01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:54.159 that's why she actually had a speaking part. You know. That's thumb tight. 1100 01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.520 No's okay again, it's like before with that other thing, you know, 1101 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.720 like it's too obscure twin raeliotas if it is a reference to something in 1102 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.279 the show, Like you just referenced part of the show from one of the 1103 01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:10.680 mouthy sessions. It stoops here. I don't remember that too, You're right, 1104 01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:13.039 Yeah, I didn't know it until I read it. You know, 1105 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.479 Yeah, I don't remember that, but hm, I'm vague vaguely, I 1106 01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:24.960 kind of remember the shadow lady. But anyway, that's what it was supposed 1107 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:30.199 to be. Yeah, it just overall didn't make sense. Nope, Nope. 1108 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:33.359 I didn't know it was uncle June until someone actually called him June. 1109 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:36.920 Yeah, until he fell, until he slipped on this on the on the 1110 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:41.920 front of the funeral thing. Oh, I didn't know that because they mentioned 1111 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.359 his name more at that point, and I was like, Oh that's him. 1112 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.319 That was him the whole time, Like, okay, sure they probably 1113 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:53.520 they've been calling him by his full name or something, and I just fucking 1114 01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:57.159 missed it every time. Now, But oh that's him, and like the 1115 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.720 little petty bitch just because he's laughing at you, gonna shoot him, like 1116 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:02.039 I, I mean, that's that's true though, that's a lot of that's 1117 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:06.000 that happened a lot in Surpranos. All little slights get you killed. Yeah, 1118 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:10.960 but that's also true in the Scorsese movie. Basically mob movies happened a 1119 01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:13.800 lot. Yeah, I guess you're right. What are my fucking clown? 1120 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:18.279 I'm here to amuse you exactly. Yeah, Okay, I thought when he 1121 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:23.279 did dress, like towards the end when he's in the pay payphone booth, 1122 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:28.000 when he's in the thick glasses, the black glasses, got the little hat 1123 01:28:28.039 --> 01:28:30.880 on, he's wearing that kind of comfy looking overcoat, you know, he 1124 01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.479 did look I thought he kind of looked like Uncle June at that point. 1125 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:41.319 Hm. But all throughout terrible most of that now he wasn't. Yeah, 1126 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.680 yeah, it looks like the number two right or something. Well, he 1127 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:57.199 was in Sopranos wasn't Uncle June technically the leader of the New Jersey Crew. 1128 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:00.359 Well he must have been a later after to kill Montetante. But like in 1129 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:03.479 the movie, he's like, multi, it's not the number two. Oh 1130 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.720 sorry, yes, yes, but now in Sopranos, was he number one? 1131 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:10.159 Or was he number two? He wasn't number one at the start of 1132 01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:13.039 the show. He was too old already. But yeah, okay, it 1133 01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:16.239 was someone else that someone dies and then something from happens in New York that 1134 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:21.439 leads Tony to be the number one. If I remember, I'm getting remember 1135 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:26.680 why I watch it? So yeah, I really should. They're good. 1136 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.720 It's a good show. Saverio binged it before the movie came out. Oh 1137 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:34.319 he did, he did. Yeah, he watched all six seasons. Okay, 1138 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:40.239 he doesn't have a hobbist huh yeah, Like, don't you work every 1139 01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:45.439 morning? It was like, I'm watching Sopranos, don't you work? Okay, 1140 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:47.279 So what do you think that he liked the show? Still? No, 1141 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.960 he fucking hated it. Oh the show. Yes, he liked the 1142 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:57.960 show. Yeah, movie. No, hated it the movie. I get 1143 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.479 what was her name, Filipina? She was she was cool? Oh the 1144 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:10.720 Chris's girl or yeah, his father's the one that his father brought over from 1145 01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:15.439 Italy. Yeah she was pretty good. Yeah she was good. I liked 1146 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:20.000 her. I didn't like how she got fucking drowned that way, but also 1147 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:24.880 like the mass pitch, don't tell him anything. No, oh my god, 1148 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:28.079 I do that. He knew the second. I knew the second when 1149 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.279 she wiped before she said it. I'm like, good, dad, that's 1150 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:32.920 your last speach right there. Yeah, like that, you're dad. This 1151 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.000 fucking guy has too much to prove as he's like old school Italian bullshit. 1152 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:40.920 He's gonna kill you, oh your dad. Yeah, he's like, no 1153 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:43.199 matter what it is, we'll get through it. I love you, I 1154 01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:48.399 love you. I slept with a harold you motherfucker. Yeah no, I 1155 01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:56.840 wasn't gonna let her get away with that. Yeah yeah, just shem. 1156 01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:01.239 She must be from Sicily. Sorry, I know, I'm trying to be 1157 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:05.840 good in case who use it for out takes? No, I know. 1158 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:10.199 But they also mentioned the joke in the movie too. They Yeah, they 1159 01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:15.239 do. They say something. They're in a barbershop or some like group of 1160 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:20.880 people and someone mentions like, I he aren't you from Sicily? Aren't you 1161 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:24.319 an, I know they don't say that that aren't you part black or something 1162 01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:26.760 like that, and they going no, no, those are only from Sicily. 1163 01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:30.000 I'm from northern He mentioned it like, oh, I think he's like, 1164 01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:34.119 yeah, I'm not done or something. Yeah. Yeah, Like even 1165 01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:39.800 when they used Italian words, it seemed just terribly forced or not enough. 1166 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:46.159 No. Uh yeah, it's either terribly forced or just over emphasized that they 1167 01:31:46.239 --> 01:31:53.600 said it. I don't it was no, didn't work. I agree, 1168 01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:59.680 and here in Raliota speak, Italian just cut it out. Uh yeah, 1169 01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:00.760 was that. I don't know, I don't have a good bad year. 1170 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:06.960 It was pretty bad. Yeah yeah, I mean he got I don't understand 1171 01:32:08.079 --> 01:32:12.920 some of this, Like Raalioda is famous for being in in gangster movies, 1172 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.920 particularly Good Fellas Right, Like, nearly all of his success comes from Gothellas 1173 01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:21.800 Right. Everything that he's enjoyed today in jobs in movies has been from the 1174 01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:26.199 strength of Cathellos. Sure, And I don't know why people forget this. 1175 01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:30.960 He's not Italian in that movie. He's half Italian at best, Irish. 1176 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:32.960 He's mainly like he will never be a made guy, and he was always 1177 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:36.279 a guy who had never killed either like, why are everyone trying to force 1178 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:42.800 feed leioda is something that he isn't. He was famous for something that he 1179 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.000 isn't. Another great point. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with 1180 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:54.720 that. Yeah, I couldn't wait to talk to you about it. Thanks 1181 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:57.680 to this show. Now they're going to make a Dickie multa Sante part two, 1182 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:08.439 Dickie Lives. No, no, it's called Dicky's Revenge. Dicky's Revenge. 1183 01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:15.760 Oh god. And they're like, oh, oh, Uncle June said 1184 01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:17.319 that Tony doesn't have what it takes to be a football player. Oh my 1185 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:20.000 god. It's such a throwback to the Sopranos. I can't take it. 1186 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:24.239 Or the beehive. Oh they did the beehive scene. I don't give a 1187 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:28.560 fuck. I don't give a fuck if he couldn't play football, or then 1188 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.039 she got shot through the beehive, I don't care. I don't think it 1189 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:33.279 was Uncle June that really deterred him. It was many the mother. Let's 1190 01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:38.039 face it, it was the mother. The mother was playing everything with him 1191 01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:42.920 with the football, even before we even saw Tony. Like, my god, 1192 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:45.680 this woman is so horrible. You see this in football, Tony. 1193 01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:50.720 Yeah, Ma, it's not for you. Yeah, okay, ma, 1194 01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:58.760 he says, Oh, my mom is fucking Mary Poppins compared to that one. 1195 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:04.079 Every worst nightmare is Mary Poppins compared to what that woman turns into. 1196 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:13.640 Yes, that's true. And when when Vera, when when my girl Vera 1197 01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:17.279 went to talk to the principal of the school, and the principal was telling 1198 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:21.119 the story of what Tony told her. M M, did you think that 1199 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:30.840 was going to take another turn? Didn't She set it up almost like the 1200 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:34.039 mother did something wrong with Tony while she was in both with them. They 1201 01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:38.960 really set it up to almost seem like it was going to go molestation, 1202 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:44.399 but it didn't. So Loki high key, I thought that that's still on 1203 01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:49.159 the table. But he's what I thought of that, saying a good thing 1204 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:55.600 you reminded me. I thought that it is bringing that up. And I 1205 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:59.159 don't know if it's because the times right that people weren't aware of this kind 1206 01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:01.640 of thing generally or right away. When the teacher was talking about it, 1207 01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.560 she was talking about it of the principle. She was talking about it in 1208 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:11.720 terms of a great memory that they both had. But with her face those 1209 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:16.760 reactions, it felt like she was worried about maybe being seen as someone that 1210 01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:21.039 did something wrong in that moment, which maybe makes me think that she did 1211 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:27.800 do something. But the principal doesn't know what this memory is actually about. 1212 01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.520 You know, like they both misinterpreted what each other started. You know, 1213 01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.800 it felt it really felt weird and scene, and they never bring it back. 1214 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:38.039 Really. I mean, she tries to be nice to Tony based on 1215 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:43.760 that conversation, and obviously that fails immediately because she's paranor asked she's fucking psychotic. 1216 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.079 She's psychotic. Yeah, she needs that medicine. Oh my god. 1217 01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:54.239 And oh, actually this scene I did like when Dicky was killed and they're 1218 01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:57.880 at the funeral. This is like the last scene she goes to one of 1219 01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:00.960 her friends. I guess the fear for maker. She goes through one of 1220 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:04.159 her friends and you know, they found a bottle of that drug and Dicky's 1221 01:36:04.199 --> 01:36:08.000 pocket. I'm like, ba, that was for you, but that's right, 1222 01:36:08.479 --> 01:36:10.479 and they're like, oh man, you never know about people. I'm 1223 01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:13.479 like, oh my god, that was cool. That was a cool little 1224 01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:15.800 touch. I like that. Oh, good point taken. You're right, 1225 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:24.079 my base, that wasn't for him. Ah okay, I'm glad I wasn't 1226 01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:27.119 the only one that got that feel, that icky feel from that snow. 1227 01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.880 I got it, Okay. I just don't know how on purpose David Chase 1228 01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:35.039 wanted it to be, but it felt like on purpose because again vera for 1229 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:38.199 me, I had very strange reactions to that, like, oh my god, 1230 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:40.800 am I getting caught to something? You're you're absolutely right, and the 1231 01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:42.960 principle is like, oh no, it's like it's fair memory. Oh so 1232 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:48.159 it wasn't about that, like okay, you know, wow wow. So 1233 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:54.720 then I guess that would add a whole other layer to Tony's neurosis and whatever 1234 01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:58.920 condition he was his adiple complex. Yeah, oh there you go. Mm 1235 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:06.199 hmm yeah, hmm Okay. I like the movie now, no, no, 1236 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:13.960 no, no, but the movie is not like completely irredeewable. Yeah, 1237 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:19.279 because the show runners when Sopranos was going on, they really wanted to 1238 01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:25.880 keep the mother character the whole time, all seven seasons or six seasons whatever 1239 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:29.960 it is. But they you know, she died in between seasons two and 1240 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:33.560 three or three and four, the actors died, Yeah, and they didn't 1241 01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:36.760 want to recast her because she did such a great job. They killed her 1242 01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:41.159 off halfway, you know, in the in the seasons. But like they 1243 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:45.359 wanted their the initial plan was to always have or be like the key and 1244 01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:50.039 the problem, right, the key problem for for Tony and psychosis and everything 1245 01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:54.840 that makes him that makes Tony Tony. They really wanted to leave that her, 1246 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:57.319 leave her in it. I was glad when she died because she's just 1247 01:37:57.359 --> 01:38:01.279 so odious that I just but in retrospect, yes, that is the best 1248 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:06.399 foil for that character. It is literally every yeah, everything that makes them 1249 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:10.640 a bad person and all this and you can see how it you know, 1250 01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:14.560 started with her, a lot of it, so wow. Yeah, yeah, 1251 01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:16.920 they had to drop that, I would think. But yeah, that 1252 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.039 was the thing. We should We should go on forever about this, can't 1253 01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:26.720 we very nearly can mm h Yeah yeah, okay,