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Greetings skeptics, non believers, and
believers alike. This segment explores a book

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that delves into the lasting influence of
Jewish scripture. Despite being rooted in ancient

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tales of loss and defeat, the
Bible remains a powerful and revered text.

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This book suggests that the Bible's resilient
can be attributed to its portrayal of adversity

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and defeat as virtues. Jewish writers
faced with persecution, expulsion, and exile

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reimagine defeat as a spiritual triumph.
The Bible's message shifted from worldly success to

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the spiritual realm, emphasizing that failure
today might promise victory tomorrow. While the

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Bible's influence indoors, rights insights invite
us to reevaluate the timeless text through a

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modern lens. And what America doesn't
love Excuse me, what American does not

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love a good underdog story. However, the cracks and crevices in the Bible

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make it a continually evolving, misinterpreted
text, much like any other human creation.

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Stay curious, skeptics. This article
is from The New Yorker dated August

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twenty first, entitled The Enduring Bible
Legacy of Loss, by Adam Gopnik,

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which reviews authored Jacob l writes book
Why the Bible Began, so kicking it

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off with our resident former Jewish person, and like Phoebe Roses commentary on this

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first, what a boring article,
What a boring article. I had trouble

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getting through the intro. I had
to say, I'm sorry you had to

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sit down. Article that was.
I mean, I read it because you

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know, I want this panel.
But what a load of I mean,

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you had a few good lines in
it. Okay to me crumbling pagan religions

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when abrah Hammick monotheism came along.
It's just badly written. I mean it's

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just badly written. Bad really,
it's long winding, doesn't say anything.

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There's no you calling your teeth into
anything on this. It's so dry.

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I mean, crikey, this is
I feel like I needed to, you

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know, drink from a fire hose
once I finished with this. It was

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so duh. I mean, it's
well meaning, it's based in assuming is

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a fairly sensible, well research book. I don't doubt Guy's thoroughly enjoyed everything

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that he said, but as part
of me, that goes that the editor

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or somebody out the New York has
gone to this guy. You've written stuff

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on religious text. Four, we'd
like you to write about this because we're

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promoting this and payment and all this
stuff. And he's just kind of I

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don't want to do this, and
he's just lost, He's just lost it.

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He just carry on. He's just
gone into like a dictaphone and he's

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just rambling on and on and on
and on and on, and he's forgotten

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one thing here, one major thing. He doesn't mention Judaism properly. He

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doesn't mention the tarach properly. He
doesn't mention the tarrellment properly. He mentions

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exact lamentation or as we call them
today, platitudes or worst astrology. But

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that's as bad as far as he
goes. It's rubbish. I mean,

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I'm uncomfortable with this weird notion of
luzardom Wing in the end, because yeah,

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okay, my ethnicity is basically that
I'm a loser. That's risen to

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the top. I mean, I'm
someone who was raised in Judaism, had

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the mitzvah and the lot, and
I still wear a mother and David.

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But I'm not a practicing religious jew. I wear it because it's an ethnicity

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thing. I wear it for the
history of it and so on, and

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to see my ethnicity, my cultural
heritage boiled down to this article of nonsense.

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I mean, for goodness sakes,
I mean, I've got nothing against

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the guy. It's just made stop. Oh bother, please reinterpret this and

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just reinterpreted into something called b one
n you do us all a favor,

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Cynthia. Help. I'm losing the
will to live the more I talk,

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you know, I just want to
say. It took me two days to

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read this article, and I listened
to articles. I listened to articles.

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I'm doing other work. Yeah,
I was having a fourtmth of zone in

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on epis so dull. Yeah,
I did something in between. Phoebe like

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you listen to it. I've read
it. But like I said, it

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took me two days, and I
got bored and decided to do laundry because

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that was way more fun. But
before I really get into my commentary,

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I'm curious, really actually to hear
what Aaron has to say about it.

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This is the worst book report I've
ever read. Somebody says something nice intellectually

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the book, myself something I kind
of want to New Yorker. I kind

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of want to be the book,
but I want to read the book.

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Just by reading this titled up.
By reading this guy's article, it sounds

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kind of he says, like,
Okay, interesting, the interesting take on

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on the Bible. You know,
I've always heard that history is written by

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the winners, not necessarily the losers. So you know, call me intrigued.

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But this guy, he presented none
of the arguments of the book.

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He did, but he present them
so poorly. I don't under I don't

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understand what the argument of the book
is. I don't understand. I have

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to. I'm gonna have to read
the book to understand what this what this

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review is. Understand his argument was
dead. Jacob l Right, isn't apologist

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A part of our bo A book
about losers is explains why it's popular.

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Gosh, that's you know. I
was raised LDS Mormon, and we never

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saw we were never taught that Jews
were losers. We taught that they were

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disobedient and so God kept punishing them. You know, there's they're saying kind

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of similar stories in the Book of
Mormon where people were disobedient and God would

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punish them or withdraw blessings, not
that they were losers. And if if

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Right's book has to reinterpret the Bible
with the modern lens, you've already lost.

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If you have to reinterpret supposedly the
word of God, the creator of

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the universe, the moral center,
the moral fiber of all that is good,

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right, and holy, if you
have to reinterpret his word with a

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modern lens, that means his word
is crap. And he didn't he didn't

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quite get his point across, right, You mean God didn't show up to

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clear things up. I'm stunned,
not that I've heard. I mean,

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you know, when I was in
eighth grade Sunday School, our teacher told

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us that all Jews go to Hell, and that's where my religion began to

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crumble. I just want to point
that out. I was like, what

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did he just say? But I
want to go to Hell? Oh you're

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not. You're not Jewish anymore.
If the four of us put our heads

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together and we wanted to come up
with a system to teach people about God

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and that God is good, we
could come up with about five minutes.

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We could come up with a better
system than what's in the Bible. And

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then what history has teacher has taught
us, and that's just four talking heads

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on the internet, because that's how
all this works. That's what makes us

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the experts. We are four talking
heads, but we could come up with

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the better system. Just trying to
drag this back to the Ash article itself,

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it was something that was really quite
disturbing that was mentioned in this at

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the beginning. I'm very uncomfortable with
beatification of anybody or any action for somebody

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does. But what it did raise
was that there's this movement in some parts

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of some Jewish communities in areas of
New York that they're going and turning men

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messianically, and they're looking at these
men messianically. And that's a very disturbing

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take because if we're starting to Messiah
people, we're going beyond just beatification.

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I mean, I'm going to get
some backlash here, but Gretta Tumberg has

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been be actified by far too many
people, and I don't particularly like the

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fact that that's happened. And that's
a level of doing something. But what

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we're doing here is where going to
some men who they genuinely are the second

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coming of Jesus Christ and people are
buying into this, so they go there

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creating messiic creatures in front of the
human beings. And that's really dangerous.

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That's really dangerous because when that happens, what you're doing is you're abandoning reason,

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you're abandoning skepticism, And when you
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it's worse than a cult. It's
worse than religious cults, because what

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you're doing is you're going beyond someone
being a leader to someone being the embodiment

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itself. And when somebody is the
embodiment itself, it's unchallengeable. And because

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it's unchallengeable, that is really a
problem because it means that that person has

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can't blosh to do en block what
they can well feel like. And that

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was the most disturbing take from me. Yeah, absolutely, So Yeah,

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what I tell people when I come
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they're willing to kind of give this, uh, this empowerment to somebody,

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well, then that's exactly what they're
doing. They're giving up any power that

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they have to kind of be their
own person. And that's like incredibly dangerous

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and so it's it's always a risky
move to kind of just make make God

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figures out of out of ordinary people. But you know, we've been dealing

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with it for a long time,
which kind of brings me to what I

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wanted to talk about a little bit, which is like the history of the

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Jewish people or the ancient Hebrews.
I should say, first of all,

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I think this article is incredibly difficult
because it's it's a review of a review,

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which is like, I don't I
don't know how Yeah, it's just

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boring by default. But anyway,
the thewing a review of the review.

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I'm reviewing a review, yeah,
and I don't even know. And then

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people who called in on this are
going to be reviewing the review of the

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review of the review. Yeah yeah, and they're gonna be just, you

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know, worse. I'm not leading
them into anywhere good, so uh,

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you know, don't listen alive.
But look, judging judging from this article,

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something that I think I do want
to talk about is the history of

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the Bible. Ascribing the Jewish people
to being a persecuted and victimized people and

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making that the cause of the of
the Biblical popularity is such an oxymoron in

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a way, because the only reason
the Bible is popular is because people were

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slaughtered and destroyed, Jews being among
them. Yes, but uh, you

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know, the the author of this
article owes Christianity a great deal of gratitude

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for making the Bible popular in the
first place. You say the Bible is

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popular, but I haven't yet met
many Christians who read it. Well,

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it's popular among those of us who
used to be Christians. So that's why

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you don't meet Christians that read it, because they're all atheists now. But

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uh, you know, I think
that there's so much controversy about who the

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hebrew people were, like five thousand, six thousand years ago. There's there's

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competing theories. We don't know if
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they were the same people, if
they kind of merged, or if one

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disappeared and the other took over and
the like. It's there's so much nuanced

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theoretical discussion about how this even all
came about that there's there can't be a

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whole lot of agreement on how the
Bible became popular. I mean, we

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just don't know what the timeline looked
like for the Bible to become what it

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was today except for when the Christians
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And so I think we can we
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the popularity to this Bible, not
because the Jews were persecuted, although we

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know of many times in history they
were. We also know the Bible even

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says it, if these people would
actually read the Bible, they'd know that

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the Jewish people committed great atrocities.
And so I can't I can't just call

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them losers, but that those are
out of my thoughts on that. I

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definitely want to read this book for
myself, like Aaron said, because who

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knows. I mean maybe maybe this
uh, this whole review is just lost

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in translation. So those are my
points. I'll kick it back over to

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Cynthia. Yeah, you have kicked
and I've received. You know, guys,

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but that was a punt, not
a kick. I don't know.

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Did we make a feel, goes, did we I don't know, No,

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no, no, no, we
haven't to go a touchdown yet.

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So third down Aaron is looking at
what are they talking about? But yeah,

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real quick, before Cynthia goes,
I just want to say I don't

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I don't think I haven't read the
book. But I don't think you can

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ascribe the popular of the Bible to
just one thing. There's gonna be it's

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it's a complicated issue. Sure that
the Messianic message probably is part of it.

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Uh, the power of the priests
and early Christianity, the power of

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the Catholic Church. Uh, don't
forget it all cause a team. It

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all comes into play on why the
Bible, excuse me, is so popular

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and what what caused christian to spread
It's couldn't because the Jews were losers,

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as this guy says. Maybe,
but if it's it's not just the one

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thing, it's not. It's not
gonna be one thing. There's it's way

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too complicated, you know, five
thousand years of history. It's way too

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complicated to ascribe to one one thing. Blame Gideons. Everywhere they keep they

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keep printing them and buying them.
Okay, I ran to over Cynthia your

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turn. Well, guys, like
I said, I this, it took

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me two days to re actually read
this article, and and I'm not gonna

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lie. I was straw rug going. So instead of actually coming up with

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commentary that's thoughtful and well informed and
intellectually basis a base. Rather, I

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actually asked chat gpt to come up
with a funny commentary for this article.

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So here go. We're taking a
hilarious roller coaster ride through the twist and

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turns of Jacob L. Rights take
on why the Bible? Just one quick?

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So buckle up because I'm going it's
gonna be a wild one people.

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So picture this. You're strolling down
Madison Avenue and suddenly you're hit with posters.

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They're declaring that Luba the Luba Vic
Carrabba Shanierson, Yes, thank you,

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thank you. Resident former Jew on
this panel is the internal messiah in

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twenty twenty three. That's like finding
a poster for a nineties bands boys band

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for a reunion tour. I mean, come on, the guy passed away

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in nineteen ninety four? Can you
say eternal life goal? But I'm home

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now. North Korea does a total
president, but I think they were doing

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it in New York. I think
you're doing in New York. Why not?

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Now, let's talk about messiahs.
The home psia concept originates from ancient

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Judea's dream of a warrior leader defeating
Persians, Greeks, and Romans. It's

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like once in your local high school
high school quarterback to become an NFL MVP.

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So when someone suggests new Jewish Messiah
in twenty twenty three, you can't

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help but chuck on an ass.
Is this guy going to take on the

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entire New York City traffic next?
And then if he does, can he

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come to Chicago? But wait,
there's more so maybe or even the outside.

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But I got more because Wright tells
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It's it's obsession with loser's ruling.
Forget about success stories. We want the

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underdog narrative. It's like Hollywood making
a movie where the villain wins. So

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who remembers the pennant winning the sixty
the nineteen sixty two Yankees when you could

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talk about the record losing nineteen sixty
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I right now now? I feel
attacked. Man, I'm attack you some

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more now. Right argues that the
Bible endurance is all thanks to Jewish people

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turning to feed into a virtue.
It's like saying that falling failing a math

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test actually made you a better person. Honey, I didn't fail. I

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just practiced being a virtuous scholar.
If only my teachers had brought that into

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play, but they didn't. And
let's not forget the Bible's division and entanglement

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of narratives. It's like watching a
soap opera with so many plots and twist

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turns that you need a flow chart
just to keep up. Is that King

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David's illegentleman Cousin's half sister or just
that just a neighbor who just wandered into

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the story? Am I right?
But the best part is when Wright suggests

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that Jewish stories have a special virtue
because they were forged and suffering. Oh

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the poe Attics suffering. It's like
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because we had worst luck than everybody
else. Sorry, but I prefer my

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stories with the side of optimism,
Thank you very much. But in conclusion,

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people will rights analysis is fascinating.
We can't help but add a pinch

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of humor to the next. The
Bible's endurance is like a sitcom that's been

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running for over a millennia, full
of unsuspected and unexpected twists and unforgettable characters.

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And isn't what that? Isn't that
what actually makes this a timeless classic?

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Especially when the classic has been copied
from a copy from a copy where

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words and paragraphs and pages have disappeared, and then new words and paragraphs and

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pages have been added to fit a
certain narrative. So washed our golden plates,

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LSD Church. So thanks, folks, I won't be here all night.

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Make sure you do tip your waiters
and become us. I decided to

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get my commentary from chat GPT.
This is why I will never be asked

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to do a XP. However,
from Cynthia, I passed this article by.

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If we would all have passed this
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a wider indication than people are passing
religion by that part. But you guys

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who are watching and listening, if
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