WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:07.639 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jagan Zalaz Sound Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:14.359 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions kat z 3 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.079 R two sad at iHeartRadio Station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome 4 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.600 to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. 5 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:28.760 He's Jagan zaus in most today is my guy Ryan. I have to 6 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:32.359 look at all you guys. Yeah, I was gonna say you you hesitated 7 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.280 there for a second. I have to say. I want to say Kevin, 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:38.000 but is Ryan Well, he's wearing that you were in that crap braves 9 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:41.840 hat. I mean, I almost did you. I almost didn't want to 10 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:48.520 let you in. Bring some stability into this room. No Dodgers talk right 11 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.119 now. Hey, Mookie butt, it's Mookie bets Bobblehead night tonight at Dodgers 12 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:58.880 Stadium. Mookie Butts, Mooky bets bets and don't bad mouth him. He's 13 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.119 kind of my wife's boyfriend. Show. Hey bets too, but we won't 14 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:06.079 go show. He had the bobblehead last week on the seventeenth number seventeen. 15 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.120 You missed that show. He bets. Yeah, I got it. Okay, 16 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:12.200 Hey, welcome to Tuesday. We pulled one out of our whatever you 17 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.599 want to call it today. I think we have a good show. You 18 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.200 kind of start. I think we can start going back in time talking about 19 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.680 something. We will tack twelve days Old Pac twelve days, biggest memories, 20 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:27.000 Yeah, favorite moments, maybe not favorite moments, yep. Uh. So 21 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.959 we have two those guys can help us, yep. Pete Williams uh sort 22 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.359 of as we've called him a number of times. He and Andy Smith were 23 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:40.040 kind of the cornerstone of the of the Loudolfsson years and you know, kind 24 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.280 of got things started here when it got here. Yeah, and just again, 25 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:48.439 still one of the I don't know, one of the toughest basketball players 26 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.680 ever at Arizona. Still is. Yeah, it still is. Even if 27 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.799 he's hobbled, he's he's in shape like all hell. He's like fifty something 28 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:02.519 and he looks fantastic, and I hate him. He's he always comes in 29 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.680 the summer. We see each other and have a good time. But he's 30 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.599 just a good dude, just one of those great Dudesay Smith, it's still 31 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:13.120 a huge wildcat. Oh he lives. Yeah, So Pete Williams had joined 32 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.840 us in the in the first hour, coming up in about ten minutes, 33 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:21.080 and then actually more than fifteen minutes. But and then Jim liven Goood he 34 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.479 was the AD here from ninety four to two thousand. So those were some 35 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:29.479 big years for Arizona. Will you get me ninety four two thousand and nine, 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.240 you're gonna give you thosezumbustions gone. It seems so much longer than that. 37 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:36.599 Ninety four, nineteen years, fifteen years, fieen years, went through 38 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.759 some great times, right, won a national championship in basketball, kept Lute 39 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:45.479 in the house, hired Sean Miller, uh, you know, mostly a 40 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:50.000 good hire for Arizona. Yeah, you know, there's a great football season 41 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.159 in there, a lot of the softball during that period of time. So 42 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.560 Live and Good saw a lot of great stuff here as the AD and it's 43 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.400 great coaches came through here. And we've talked to him about some of that 44 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:02.840 time. Will reminisce with him a lot too, and just the difficulty in 45 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.759 being a d Yeah. Then you remember he you know, he followed, 46 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:08.759 said Dempsey. You know, he followed kind of the legend, you know, 47 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.759 the guy who really you know, was the one who put Arizona on 48 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.520 the mat. You know, he's the guy. He's the guy who had 49 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.280 the who had the nad to uh get rid of Ben Lindsay after one year 50 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:24.759 and then go after Ludelson and then get him right you know. Uh, 51 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.879 So you know a lot of that stuff, you know, said Said Said 52 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.080 was also the one who both brought Larry Smith and Dick Tomy. No, 53 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.639 maybe not Larry Smith, definitely Dick Tomy. So you know, said did 54 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:40.199 a lot of great things and the stuff that he did here led to him 55 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:46.280 being the n cua A Right, So Jim Live and Good had some big 56 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.719 shoes to fill and he filled them pretty well. Yeah, Okay, with 57 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.439 that thought, I think Rocky would be great for some of the women's some 58 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:54.759 of the women. We'll get through this the summer, since we have the 59 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.199 whole summer. We've got the whole summer to break it down, right, 60 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.400 So that should be a lot of fun, a lot of ruminiscent and a 61 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.000 lot of the people who listened to us, I venture to guess have those 62 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:08.560 memories too, because that it's an older crowd and have We've had the daughter 63 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.560 who the cousin of some one of the AD's. We saw her at at 64 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.280 the tailgate a couple of years ago. She calls. She listens, Oh 65 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:19.399 sweet Johnson's daughter. Sweet Johnson is there's a building, the Alumni Association building 66 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:24.879 named after her. I could remember who yo, so she can call us. 67 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:29.040 He wants to please. So yeah, we'll go reveniste through the good 68 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.480 old days. Yeah, no, and still have news for the today's world. 69 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.000 There's a lot of memories, Steve, you know, yeah, I 70 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.800 mean they're just star and I you know, I still think about the day, 71 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.120 you know, in I think it was in nineteen seventy six when it 72 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.720 actually got announced that we heard that we were going to the Pac ten and 73 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.199 how excited we were. What was that year, seventy six and seven? 74 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.160 You got into seventy eight, right, they started in seventy eight. Okay, 75 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:57.160 so did you seventy six and eventy seven? Did they dominate? Dominate? 76 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.079 No, I'm talking about dominate the Whack. No, A s U 77 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.560 had the best football program in the Whack by a lot of Arizona was good. 78 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:09.879 Issue was the team. Yeah, I mean fred Stone's teams were good, 79 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.480 but they weren't dominant. Right they went to the well, that's what 80 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.240 I'm saying, but you know, they weren't. They were good, but 81 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:23.720 they did not dominate the league. A s U dominated the whacking football right. 82 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:27.040 They they created a bowl game for a SU because of how they were, 83 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.519 because how good they were, the festival was formed for a SU to 84 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.519 play in it, and they played in the first bunch of them Arizona. 85 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.920 But Arizona was the one that said, look, a lot of it was 86 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:46.360 done for academic reasons. The U of A wanted to be part of the 87 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.920 pack, the Pac ten because of largely because of the academics. I mean, 88 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.199 the the athletics was a big piece of it. I mean that's what 89 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:57.040 kind of captured all the all the things. But you know Arizona, I 90 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.279 mean when we when we thought about Arizona going into the pack, then we 91 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:02.160 thought, oh crap, we got to play USC in U c l A 92 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.040 in football, and oh crap, we got to play U c l A 93 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:10.519 and basketball. You know, but they came out of the box and and 94 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.879 pretty quickly made themselves pretty competitive. So you were also the step son or 95 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.079 step brother in the whack. Yeah. See, I grew up in I 96 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:21.079 grew up in New Mexico. Is watching New Mexico basketball, they were. 97 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.199 They were just also rather as well in basket. There were some great years 98 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.560 with Fred Snoden, Norm Allenberg or ned Walk all those coaches from that period 99 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.439 of time, and and and it was fun. But and nobody was really 100 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:39.439 dominant in basketball. New Mexico was good. S You was good. Uh, 101 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.319 Arizona was good, you know under Fret Snowden. Nobody dominated the league 102 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.240 as you did dominate in football. I mean, they had that undefeated season, 103 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.959 beat Nebraska in the festival. They finished you know, second in in 104 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.360 the in the rankings. And and that was the only reason a SU winning 105 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.360 the national championship out of the whack would have been like a group of five 106 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:04.079 team today winning the national championship. It wasn't gonna happen. Oklahoma lost the 107 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.720 game and they got they were number one that year. Uh, you know, 108 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:14.959 they won the national championship. But sports wise, it was I mean, 109 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.040 we thought it was gonna be cool, didn't We didn't know how long 110 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.639 it was gonna be for Arizona could be good enough to beat anybody in the 111 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:23.560 league. Well, it didn't take too long, it didn't. It didn't 112 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:30.920 basketball. That weekend we had with with with their guard guard here with who 113 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.519 you will see the Spaghetti game, the Spaghetti game U s l A with 114 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:42.800 UCLA. Yeah, that that that team had keeky vandaway David Greenberg Arizona, 115 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:47.600 Arizona's team with h Russell, Joseph Brown, Joe Nels, John you can 116 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.279 kind of get a sense that they could compete and maybe not all the time, 117 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.519 right, but well, yeah, well, as you said, Arizona 118 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:57.079 was coming off in seventy six having been you know, to the lead eight 119 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.920 against U c l A. Later on U c l A's court and got 120 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.839 eat Vegas the year before. No, they played Vegas that year they played 121 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.680 Vegas in the sweet seen to get to get to that. Yeah, why 122 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.959 do I remember all this teme Well, I remember for the books because there 123 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:13.160 was all the greatest games in the history of the program. Yeah, and 124 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.800 that was one obviously two of them. Yeah, because they played U Silly 125 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.199 pretty well, they played Hi pretty well, and then it got away from 126 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.680 a late late but you know, so you know that period of time, 127 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:31.199 it was cool because we were it was like we had grown up, right, 128 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:35.919 we'd grown up. We were big boys now and and uh and playing 129 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.120 you know, playing with the big boys you know, they played Notre Dame 130 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.159 in in in nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty we're playing some playing Notre Dame in 131 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.080 football. What the hell is that? Right? Arizona played him in eighty 132 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:50.440 and eighty two. You know, all of a sudden, us C is 133 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.879 coming to town. You know, the very first year, very first year 134 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.360 in the in the in the Pac ten, Arizona played at UCLA. We 135 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.440 went to that game and incidentally, I mean that game was the day after 136 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.080 that playing that was on campus. That was they played it on a Friday 137 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.360 because USC and UCLA were both at home that weekend. So Arizona played the 138 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.080 UCLA on Friday, then USC played there on Saturday. Then we go the 139 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.759 next year and we played see them play USC, and we see a Heisman 140 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.080 Trophy winner, Charles White was in the middle of winning the Heisman trophy, 141 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.679 right, and we thought, this is cool. Arizona got the ass kicked 142 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.519 that day. This is USC. But it was cool to go to the 143 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.720 La Coliseum and see games. Mister children, May I have another one, 144 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:30.960 may have another? And then the next year Arizona beats the UCLA, come 145 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.799 in here and defeated number two in the country and they beat him. And 146 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.799 then the following year after that, USC was number one and Arizona went to 147 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:43.039 the coliseum and beat USC as number one. So pretty early on Arizona got 148 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.559 competitive right right, and ben football in football football, and it was all 149 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:52.159 around, you know everything at that time over over going to the Pac Ten 150 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.679 was all about how zones Horizona was going to do them and eventually superseded Arizona 151 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.080 State. I don't know levels well then and then again in that first season, 152 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.720 the first time u c l A came to Tucson HM as part of 153 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:13.600 the pack Pac Ten, Arizona BEATAM. That was the el's team double the 154 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:22.159 double whammy on consecutive days or again the same weekend. Yeah, okay, 155 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.080 So we'll talk a lot about all that and more with Pete Williams and uh 156 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:30.600 mister liven Goood because iven Good was at Washington State for all those years before 157 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.440 a lot of those years and we'll talk to so many word that where the 158 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.480 hierarchy was. Again, I don't think Arizona and just me being an outsider, 159 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.279 have been here a while. It's always been in the middle, right, 160 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.519 It's a outside of basketball, it's always been in the middle. Four 161 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.480 five, six seven in that you know, you had your Oregon States in 162 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:50.639 Washington States, and then you cannot find yourself in the middle of a lot 163 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.080 of different things outside of being a swimming who was great, but with with 164 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:00.679 Bush softball, with Candrea Loot with basketball, Miller with basketball. Yeah, 165 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.200 I said, I still go back. I've got this a column that or 166 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.480 a story that John Wilner wrote back in twenty eighteen. Yeah, we talked 167 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:13.399 about how it all came together and it all almost fell apart. Uh eighteen 168 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.840 was I thought, I was, so we are together when it just came 169 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.639 out twenty twenty. Well, no, I've got that I've got in front 170 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.440 of me. Ran in the it ran in twenty eighteen. Maybe it was 171 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:30.519 the like the it was it was the forty forty year anniversary because it was 172 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.559 aids some some presidents, right, Yeah, we kind of had to Yeah, 173 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.279 there were I think it was I believe I have to go read it 174 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:43.759 again, but I believe it was the Stanford and Washington presidents who were going 175 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.519 to vote it down and USC like they called him break in the meeting. 176 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.840 I'll have to read it to make sure. And when I think happened with 177 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.759 the USC and U c l A president went to those two presidents and said, 178 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.840 if you don't vote, if you don't prove this, we're leaving the 179 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.279 conference. And then they did. They got they got strong armed in. 180 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.399 But I have to pizt go figure politics play the part. No, no, 181 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.279 So it will be fun. We'll do that periodically throughout the summer with 182 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.279 our guests and kind of remember when what are the big games, big moments. 183 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.360 And we'll do that today specifically and more as we move forward in this 184 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.720 summer, as we try to get guests who can remember stuff like this. 185 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:28.919 Yeah, okay, what else is going on? We got the NBA playoffs 186 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:35.120 tonight, My guy here's diligently looking for some breaking news. But which one? 187 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.639 Which one starts? Both? So tonight we got the know that they're 188 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:43.320 they're gonna they're only playing one to night. Both got the Pacers and the 189 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.519 Celtics. Okay, we will, We'll hold our breath for you. Yeah. 190 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.279 With with only two series going day, they alternate alternate day, so 191 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.480 there's one every night. Right, there was a game set. I have 192 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.200 no idea about hockey, but there's no there was a Gabe seven last night. 193 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:07.600 Last night was Boilers and connects. Okay, and what else in the 194 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.240 else call? Do we need to get now here? Oh? Well, 195 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:13.159 I don't know. Should we? Should we talk about Chip Hail? What 196 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:16.840 happened? We're saving that for break breaking news. He probably doesn't know what 197 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.080 you're talking about. Coach of the year. Oh so then they can did 198 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.279 get it? Your your prediction? H He didn't get an email. I 199 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.600 sat on Twitter. Somebody, our friend Bryan sent me the tweet on it. 200 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:35.120 I haven't seen an email from the conference. Yeah, there it is. 201 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.679 It came across at nine o'clock this morning, Steve, you had to 202 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.440 get out of bed. No, no, no, I don't. I 203 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.759 don't have to look through it, have to look for it. Yeah, 204 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:48.279 they send an email out this morning, Chip hal Coach of the year eight 205 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.919 eight with all conference. I don't know how many were first team. But 206 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.879 no, I don't have it. Yeah, it is what it is. 207 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:01.519 Yeah, maybe you fell off fell off? Okay, I'm good with that. 208 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.240 Did you get a list about yesterday's PSS conference with a swimming coach? 209 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:07.399 I didn't. I didn't see that either because he had a press commerce yesterday. 210 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:13.039 Really yeah, yeah, so it's fine, it's fine. I know 211 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.279 where we stand and then last I start talking nice about that, so I 212 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.159 can get somebody who can make up a Facebook Facebook profile and send me nasty 213 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.679 notes and then eliminate it. But then I don't have I don't have a 214 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.799 swimming I don't have a swimming They had a press commons yesterday. That's why 215 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.440 we're going to try to get them on the show this week. Yeah, 216 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.799 we'll say we can do that. Okay, Hey, let's go. 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This is Tucson's biggest running party. 299 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.799 See Run Tucson dot net. For all the details. Steve Bravera and Jacob 300 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:30.720 Salles, they have their eye on the ball on Tucson Sports Stage chet Fox 301 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:36.039 Sports fourteen fifty Hey, welcome back to winning the Ball here Fox Sports fourteen 302 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:38.240 fifteen. I'm Steve, He's Jay. Now on the pune we have former 303 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:44.119 you a basketball player, Pete Williams from the early years, the cornerstone, 304 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:45.640 A cornerstone. Do you like what I'm want to call you? That peak? 305 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.359 I love it? Jay? How's going man? We're doing fine. 306 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:53.640 We always like talking to you, Pete. You know that it's always a 307 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:57.039 popular about you. Guys. Hey, just real quick, I'm thinking, 308 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:02.240 as I was thinking about talking to you today, I think you may be 309 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.559 one of the more affected players or or even former former players fans that's going 310 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.039 to be affected by the transition from the Pac twelve to the Big twelve, 311 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.759 in part because you go to a lot of the games in LA. Now 312 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:19.480 you can't. Well that's true. But now that I'm a I'm a Pact 313 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:23.720 eight fan, you know, like seventy to seventy three when I was nine 314 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:30.119 years old, you know, watching USC James eight delay. Uh, you 315 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.079 know, I love for USC. My disdain UCFA. It goes all the 316 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.000 way back to seventy two to seventy three. Well, yeah, you're perfect 317 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.160 for us because we're gonna reminisce. So so I mean, look, wait, 318 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.519 I know we're all sad that that it's ending, But what did you 319 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.119 like about Arizona being in in the league? You know, I mean, 320 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.400 you know, I was a since I was here, you know, I 321 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:56.119 followed them, you know, in the whack. To me, I was 322 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.200 telling I was saying that last year it's kind of like Arizona had grown up. 323 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.400 You know, you come their zone, they're already in the in the 324 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:06.119 packed in the Pac ten. But what was that like for you to see 325 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:11.039 the league expand and include, you know, these two teams from Arizona. 326 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.880 Well, well, for kids, it didn't really mean secable, not to 327 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.720 me because I didn't really follow U of a SU that much. I was, 328 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:23.240 you know, strictly H mean USC And you know, I thought it 329 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.000 was great, you know, for the league and U. Let me step 330 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.200 back for a moment, because you know, when it was the Pack eight 331 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.519 by the time I or eleven years old. I kid you not. I 332 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.160 can name every starter on aighteen CS. That's how much this meant to me 333 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.640 then, and so once the U of an A su joined, you know, 334 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.599 I started getting more you know, familiar with their programs, you know, 335 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.559 especially as because I mean they're they're eighty eighty one team. Oh my 336 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:55.240 god. Yeah, and so I had no visions of even ending, you 337 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.599 know, the U of A. But once Ho chosen, you know, 338 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.599 got the job. You know, Hey, the rest is history after that. 339 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.759 Yeah, yeah, I can't. I've written the story so many times. 340 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:11.440 Now, how did he find you? Okay? So, so when 341 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:12.960 he took the job, you know, because coach Osten has a background in 342 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.759 southern California to coach COACHMB City, you know, obviously he was familiar with 343 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.440 a lot of the coaches in the in the area, and also he knew 344 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:26.279 the quality of California junior college basketball. But he did got he got in 345 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.319 touch with George H. First Persian. He's the head coach at Pasadena City. 346 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.599 He was a John Eger's coach at ECC. So I was a sophomore. 347 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.680 Time was a freshman at ECC. And what coach did was he asked 348 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.200 coach Ursian, who are the top soas that hadn't signed yet? And I 349 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.119 hadn't signed, So Persian told you about me. Next you know, I 350 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:51.039 get all and it's coach Osten. And it was kind of a sticky situation 351 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.640 because you know my juco coach him and George Sarkan at UNLV, they were 352 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:59.359 best buds and so you know, they weren't fans of coach Oh because the 353 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.759 whole long beat State situation. So that was kind of sticky. But uh 354 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.000 cave, uh coach will get recommendation for me. Coach O came out to 355 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.160 sea play and inviting me out the two on my trip. Rest is history? 356 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.440 Did you you must have been disappointed that us he did not go after 357 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.640 you. You know what, I thought, maybe you might ask me a 358 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.400 question like that and I'll put election to you like this. I love you, 359 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.319 but man, that's sports arena. Man. I couldn't see myself playing 360 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:32.519 in the sports arena, you know, if they had the Galen Center at 361 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:37.440 that time. Story. But as much as I love USC basketball, man, 362 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:38.880 I didn't want to play at the sports arena. Particularly my only high 363 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.440 school loss came in the semi finals when I was in high school at the 364 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:48.200 sports arena. I think, and I know we're know what you're talking about. 365 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.200 Okay, So so you come to Arizona and say you grew up watching 366 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.839 the Pack eight and now you're you're in the you're in the league, but 367 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:00.759 you're at Arizona. You're not at one of the California schools. What did 368 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.119 what did make you think about the California schools? Are? Were they suddenly? 369 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.759 Were they the enemy? Did you just want to beat the hell out 370 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.599 of them because you were in Arizona. Regardless of where I went, U 371 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:12.359 c l A was always was always going to be an enemy because of much 372 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:17.400 respect for the program in the sc guys can't like yeah, but here here's 373 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:22.200 the difference. So my sophomore year at my bag Ben Lindsay was the uf 374 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.279 A for that one year, the U of A played at U c l 375 00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:33.039 A second to the last game of the Pact. They lost one hundred and 376 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.359 eleven to fifty. I watched it now, one eleven to fifty eight. 377 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.039 What's that? Forty two and fifty three? Huh year they lost stew points 378 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.319 and so U of A. I think at some point we got to play 379 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.200 UCLA again, you know. And so my my first game against U of 380 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.319 A, it was into this ucl was in Tucson and we lost by two 381 00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:59.440 points, you know now granted leaders again. Yeah, I was a little 382 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:03.319 nervous because, you know, which is like two points. The thing that 383 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.480 sticks out to me about the game was televised Metro Sports. I'm not sure 384 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:11.759 who was the game, but the guy gave a very complimentary and about me 385 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.000 and eighty Smith. They went along the line someone like, uh, I 386 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.240 really liked the way in the Smith walk up and down the court. Uh. 387 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.079 They walk up and down the court like own it. Now, obviously 388 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.640 that was but I think what he saw is that we had a lot of 389 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.039 confidence in ourselves and we weren't back down to anybody at anything. So I 390 00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.799 think that was an ultimate compliment. And remember I told you guys several times 391 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.440 Coach O didn't care about you know, moral degrees and this and that, 392 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:41.400 but at that point we did because we we lost like two were the last 393 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.960 time playing I was fifty four points man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 394 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.000 Let's get to some of the greater moments that you you saw and you participated 395 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.960 in in the eighty three, eighty fourty five years. Uh, where were 396 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.359 you go back? What was your first game you would go back in and 397 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.960 say, I'm really proud of that, and you're kind of breaking up a 398 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:06.319 little, Okay, I would say, beating ASU what a week after Steve 399 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.200 kurks dad was killed, because Arizona they had such a losing streak against ASU, 400 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:12.920 and I think we had to win it the game, like seventy three 401 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.960 forty eight emotional game, you know, because we had just met Steve kurz 402 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.119 Dad on campus, you know, a few weeks prior, so that that 403 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.799 was big beating as U. And then towards the end of the year we 404 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.440 saw my junior year, we played at UCLA. Now again in Tucson. 405 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.240 We lose by two, but now we go at UCLA and that was pretty 406 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.359 interesting because, you know, my uncle was there, my grandmother was there, 407 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.279 my brothers, my mom's friends, and they were sitting right behind our 408 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.680 bench. And I'm just hoping we played well and don't don't get blown out 409 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.759 by fifty seven points like it did the year before. But you know, 410 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.160 we played up pretty tough. You know, we lost by eight and it 411 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.079 went down to the last two minutes. I scored twenty five points that game. 412 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.680 And what was really cool was after the game, after our post came 413 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.559 talking the locker room Coacho allowed us to go back on the court to speak 414 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.000 the family and friends and I'm going huddled up with all my family and friends 415 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.759 and coach Ricky bird song ripped and peace our assistant coach love Ricky bursts on 416 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.680 the death. He came over that big old smile of his and he said 417 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.839 three words over and over again, you can't send my family and friends eighty 418 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.880 bad bad. It was just the greatest thing ever, you know. Again, 419 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.680 not into moral victories or whatever, but hey, he showed that we 420 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.720 were on the rise and we want to come up, you know. Yeah. 421 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.200 And so you know, a big deal's been ade about the fact that, 422 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.200 you know, ASU had to come along with Arizona. They really didn't 423 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.599 want to want to go to the Pac ten because they were the big dogs 424 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.160 in football in the whack. But you know, you guys go in there 425 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:41.759 together. I know, look, it's just not for you. You hate 426 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.839 your rival and stuff like that. But was there also any kind of camaraderie 427 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:49.400 of the two you the two teams, the two programs kind of going into 428 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.079 this thing together where you were sort of the new kids on the block. 429 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.799 Did you guys talk about any of that at all? Or was that just 430 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:56.839 like, no, we don't even like him, weren't even to talk to 431 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:02.799 him. How was that relationship? Well that that it never occurred me the 432 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:07.559 way you just put that. It never really did. But I've kind of 433 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:11.000 been wish you washed you on this. I've gone back and forth. I'm 434 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.079 a I'm a Pack Can Pac twelve guy, and I always said, as 435 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.400 long as U c l A and A s U are playing somebody out of 436 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.480 conference, then I would find myself scheering for them out of Pack can Pack 437 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.759 two of solidarity. But you know there's some comments over the years from certain 438 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.680 players from a s U. I was like, man, bunt that Pack 439 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.799 twelve solidarity. I hope they lose every game, you know, But uh, 440 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.720 I never you know, I didn't do that with U. C l 441 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.039 A. But I still kind of had that, you know, towards A 442 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.440 s U. But hey, listen, I'm over it now. You know 443 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.160 there's bigger price, so I don't even worry about it anymore. Yeah, 444 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.359 uh, anything else before you before you graduated, and I always kind of 445 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.119 referred to the Washington Triple. I won't do it today. I like you 446 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:57.680 too much. What they see, you know, it's just I mean We've 447 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.440 been through this before about the break up of the conference. You know, 448 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.960 I said my ps hor, I feel I just wish if they were doing 449 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.960 all this because of the football money, I just wish all the football teams 450 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.039 would have formed their own little affiliation and all the other sports alone or whatever. 451 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.839 So you know, I'm going to miss that, particularly the Southern California 452 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:19.039 trip. You know. Now I got to figure out which trips in the 453 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.319 Big Twelve I might want attend. TCU would definitely get one, you know, 454 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.240 because that was my first recruiting trip. Going to TCU interesting, But 455 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.799 I'll find others to go to. But like so many people, athletes of 456 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.119 all the different sports, you know, we're all disappointed. I mean, 457 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.279 a great challenge I had no doubt, but just disappointed at the regional competitions 458 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.440 that are lost. Now. Yeah, well but you know, you go 459 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.680 to the Big Twelve, and now I think the basketball does become way more 460 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.720 interesting with you know, with the quality of the league in basketball. I 461 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.359 don't know so much about football, but you know, you know, with 462 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.519 Kansas and and all those teams, I mean, that's got to at least 463 00:30:53.559 --> 00:31:00.799 generate some interest for you, Jay, basketball is going to be crazy crazy, 464 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.079 crazy, good, crazy, interesting, crazy competitive. I mean, 465 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:10.599 no more road games where you may have like six or seven thousand. You 466 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.599 know you're gonna be looking at twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen thousand, 467 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.880 you know, every game. But one thing I will say that I do 468 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.559 like I would like to add something that's significant to me, is that, 469 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.319 you know, my senior year we started that street. See my senior year 470 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:27.359 of leading the PAC twelve and attendance, well packed can pack twelve and attendance 471 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:33.119 And it's been thirty nine straight years and my senior year we started the streaking 472 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.160 man. That's the unbeliefab accomplishment right there. Halfs off to the people in 473 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.079 Tucson. And since you've been gone, you're still seeing a lot of the 474 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.880 teams out in LA. Any favorite moments maybe obviously the national title game. 475 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.400 I'm sure there's been a lot of heartbreak, but some of the great moments, 476 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.839 there's been some heartbreak and there in these regionals. I've been at a 477 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.720 center in Anaheim twice to be disappointed. I was at the recent game in 478 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.079 Clemson, you know, just recently here in LA and just disappointed. But 479 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.799 you know, there have been some good memories going to USC and when my 480 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.839 son was like one or two years old and he's walking up to Mike Dibbie 481 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.319 and you know, touching a little basketball on Mike Bibby's leg. You know, 482 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:13.759 having Bobby Olsen, you know, pick him up and give him the 483 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.079 kiss on the cheek when he was like one or two years old. Those 484 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:21.960 are some of the most significant moments to me right there, right right before 485 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:30.599 we let you go. How is being a grandfather? Steve Davis? I 486 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:35.079 love and knowing that now you know, my daughter fiance, he's already committed 487 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.759 to a contract with the hospital in Las Vegas, so his contract in Pennsylvania 488 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.119 is up in August September, so they'll be moving back off to Vegas for 489 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.880 good. And it's just it's a beautiful thing. I absolutely love to death. 490 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.359 And she is just an amazing, amazing little girl, beautiful temperament, 491 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:53.559 Love the grandpa. I love her daily. It's just awesome. Man. 492 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:58.359 They can do anything, can't they. I've got my first as well, 493 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.440 and I mean, you know they they're allowed to do anything whatever they want. 494 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:07.440 I got it. I got it. No, super that's good. 495 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:09.920 I love your posts on Facebook and all that. So thanks for coming on 496 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:13.880 as usual. Appreciate it. Pete. Okay, real quick, did you 497 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.720 guys please get my guards. Regards to mister love and Good. I know 498 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.200 he's supposed to be coming on later today. Is that correct? Yes? 499 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.799 I love the guy. He is awesome. He treated my family awesome. 500 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.599 When my daughter went to UNO be on the freshman orientation, Eve Walkin just 501 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.119 greatly took us on a tour of the Thomas and Mac. Let us go 502 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:30.759 in his office and hang out. Mister love and Good is the best man. 503 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.279 We'll let him know. We will definitely pass that on. Great. 504 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.920 Thank you, Pete, you will see you soon. Pete Williams, Pete 505 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.279 Williams one of the great guys, great dudes. Of all the great dudes 506 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.839 I've met in this program, he is in the top ten and you never 507 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.640 know, you know, to talk to just how friendly and that when he's 508 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:53.000 on the basketball court. Medicine you medicine. Yeah. I've told the story 509 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:58.960 a million times about the eighty six eighty seventeen that you know Steve Kurt said 510 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.920 that they needed a guy like Williams on that team because they kept losing games 511 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.440 late because they just weren't tough. The me and he wouldn't let you, 512 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.960 he said, he said, Pete Williams would not have let us lose those 513 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.559 games. Next total sense. That guy he just said he would put a 514 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.000 would put a grimace on his face on the off on the basketball court, 515 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.199 and it didn't come off until he walked off. There are a few guys 516 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.239 like that. We used to have a little time. A few guys like 517 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.559 that. We can maybe go through that. Maybe let's talk about it more 518 00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.719 on the other side. Guys that we've seen through the years like that, 519 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.239 Mike Bibby does that to me, Miles to a certain degree. Just guys 520 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.400 that have that it, that toughness, that's something. Yeah, yeah, 521 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:36.239 yeah, Okay, let's go and well, well, very pack. If 522 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.719 you're an Arizona Man's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for nearly forty 523 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.960 years. Now take a look back at the Loudolsen era. In my new 524 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.599 book, Lessons from Loot, it was a labor of love through the eyes 525 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.280 of twenty five former players, coaches, and friends to give insight to the 526 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.760 coach and the man who led them, competed against them, and inspired them. 527 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.280 Twenty five chapters for his twenty five years as Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons 528 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.599 from lut is an insight to how he built the program in to a national 529 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.280 powerhouse. What one email me at Steve dot RIVERA ninety five at gmail dot 530 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.079 com. 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All us before the first 547 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.079 sign of trouble. All today five two zero four ninety two zero seven four 548 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:37.639 eight or Picture Rockschooling dot com Rosing and Plumbing. Steve Rivera and Jag and 549 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:45.079 Salez they have their eye on the ball on Tucson Sports Stage Chef Fox Sports 550 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.519 fourteen fifty streaming live. I mean iHeartRadio. Wap Hey, welcome back to 551 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.440 my I the ball Here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, 552 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:57.199 He's Jakin's Aws. Gotta guy Ryan in for the next fifteen minutes of the 553 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.880 first hour before he goes to breaking news. So I was talking to you 554 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:07.119 about just dudes that we've covered through the years that have that thing. Steve 555 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:10.079 Kurt was one of the definitely one of them. I think Pete was too. 556 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.679 Guys that kind of will you to play better, play harder, or 557 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:19.800 else or else. Right, Miles had that. Bibby had that in a 558 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.440 different way because when they were on the court, you knew you had to 559 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.920 play your butt off. And I don't know if he had this, but 560 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.199 he was a scary dude. Ryan Williams, right, Brian Williams, Yeah, 561 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.639 he was just a scary guy. He saw him on the court, 562 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.840 I'm like, I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to have to get in 563 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.480 his way or defend the guy. Yeah, but I don't know that he 564 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.639 was a guy he pulled the team. He was. He was the guy 565 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.320 exactly what you think that day he lost Alabama. Either he was on or 566 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.559 he was off, and mostly he was off. But who was that guy 567 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.519 on? That was jud Bush and Jude Bush right right, right, right, 568 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.119 Yeah, you could depend on Judd, not so much Brian because you 569 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.880 didn't know what Brian didn't exactly. He was just scary. He would dunk 570 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.239 and I'd go, I'm glad I wasn't like near him. Well, we 571 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.760 talked about him guy yesterday. T J Mcconwell, yeah, it made everybody 572 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.360 better, willed them to win in his own way, in his own in 573 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.559 his own way, right, Not a guy who was intimidating. He didn't 574 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:15.840 take crap on the court. You had you had a guy here when I 575 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.840 was gone two weeks ago. I think Kelvin. Yeah, Calvin. He 576 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.480 was a bad He was a badass, more so on football than basketball. 577 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:29.440 Yeah, you just didn't football. I mean we were there late eighties, 578 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.159 uh, Jay, And I'd have to go back and see. I don't 579 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.880 know if the Jeff Hammerschmidz, but those dudes, I have to go kind 580 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.159 of go back to the memory banks of those times. But I'm sure Chrystal 581 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.840 McCallister was one of those guys. Yeah, well, I think Glenn Parker. 582 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.719 Parker with a guy like that, I'm trying to think who the linebackers 583 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.639 were on those teams. Donny Salem, Donnie Salem. Oh yeah, I 584 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.320 don't think this guy was that much. But he was just so darned good. 585 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.280 Was was therea Lewis so dark? But he was very quiet. He 586 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.480 was quiet. But again, a guy that was so damn good, you 587 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:10.159 thought, if I'm not pretty good, Yeah, I'm disappointing him, right 588 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.159 because because you know, you know, he was giving it everything he had, 589 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:16.760 you know, to be who he was. You know, Teddy Bruski 590 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.320 to football and talk about some of those guys, you know, Bruceki and 591 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:27.639 go go back to Ricky, Ricky and Lamont Huntley give you and I think 592 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.519 we know more about this Rob Walder just but also in a quiet way, 593 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.800 right, in a really quiet way. Tough dude. And if you if 594 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:39.480 he played tough, everybody around him. Okay from that from that time, 595 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:49.239 baddest dude of that of that whole Desert Swarm team, Brandon Sanders. Yeah, 596 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:54.519 he killed some guys, right he I think of some of the hits 597 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.360 that I you know, from the from the highlight takes that you think he 598 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.960 would have been so pended like every game that he played in because he killed 599 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.920 guys. He was came from Helix. Yeah, he killed guys there. 600 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.159 You know there was that in that in that nine, uh, the ten 601 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.679 and two seasons, the Festival season. You know, in the Illinois game, 602 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.239 he kills the guy and he causes the fumble, They pick it up, 603 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.239 run it in for a touchdown, one of two one of two touchdowns 604 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.320 that fumble recoveries that went for touchdowns and then there was there's another great hit 605 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.039 where he kills the guy in the A s U game, And I mean 606 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.360 just hits that. You go, you can't do that any you can't do 607 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.280 that anymore. That's it. That's like a crying I'll give you another guy. 608 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.119 Maybe I don't know Antonio Pearson, Yes, yeah, during during a 609 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.840 tough time when they the some of the you know he played with Macovic and 610 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.559 some of those and those teams lacked a lot. But some of those guys 611 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:52.960 who were left over from you know, from uh from from Dick Tomey's time, 612 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:59.239 we're badasses. You know, next time we have Jake, we'll talk 613 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.559 about some of it was because they had some of those dudes later in the 614 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.360 days. The guy's like a guy like Marquise Flowers right went on to play, 615 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:08.639 you know, playing in the NFL. He was a bad ass at 616 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.000 safety. Tremaine Bonder remember him. I mean we had him on the show, 617 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.199 Ye Show. He was at the right place at the right time all 618 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.199 the time, right right all the time. Just again, we're just guys. 619 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.159 We're out there kicking somebody's butt every chance they got that football. Yeah, 620 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.199 I mean you had stay were sprinkled. Yeah, you didn't have a 621 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.559 fucked complete team. He had sprinkled guys all over the wall. Another guy 622 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.760 from the from those from the Desert Swarm, uh time, who was who 623 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.800 was a badass but kind of quietly under the radar from because of all the 624 00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:44.199 other guys. But a guy who I remember uh saying. I was at 625 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.159 Bob Dobbs one time and Pat Hill remembered the assistant coach was there and he 626 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.400 was telling stories and he said the scariest dude of all from that group, 627 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.679 from that group of uh when he was the defensive coordinator, that the scariest 628 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.039 guy of all in that group was Chuckle. That he's never would have gifts, 629 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.400 that he was partly because he was fearless, and he said he was 630 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.000 nuts. He said he was crazy. He didn't he didn't care about his 631 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.840 body. He he wanted to kill you. Yeah, and and you know, 632 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:16.639 he was a guy who was just part of the whole thing, right, 633 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:22.400 part of that whole aggressive defense that they had. And that thing was 634 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.079 during the after the ninety two season, he said, Chuck Osborne is just 635 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.440 underrated in terms of what a badass he was. Yeah, there's been a 636 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.000 lot of them, a lot of them through the years that we've covered to 637 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.960 what we've seen. Yeah, but all those defenses, Steve, all those 638 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.639 all those defenses from that period of time, they had all those guys. 639 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.960 That's why those that's why those defenses were so damn right, because all those 640 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.920 guys were you know, Jim Hoffman and and uh, you know, God, 641 00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.880 there's a defensive end I'm thinking of and I can't it's not coming to 642 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:58.280 me, which it was in the ninety three season, because I have I 643 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.000 have a vision of of a sack of the cal quarterback where he just I 644 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.159 mean he just came free from the defensive end and just landed on him and 645 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.239 like nearly killed him. The lot that game cast him the Rose Bull. 646 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.440 Give you another basketball guy who was not just talented, but it was That 647 00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.320 guy was Geenie Edgerson. Yeah, Yes, a guy that you did not 648 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.480 want to get in his way on the basketball court, you know. And 649 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.880 then there were times and there were times when he got a little over over 650 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.000 the top where he got game. You know, I'll give you that time, 651 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:31.840 b yu will he nailed the dude in the back of the head and 652 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.840 had to apologize to a letter, was suspended from it yeah, so yeah, 653 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.679 but yeah, Jean Jeane was on one of those I'd love to have 654 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:44.679 seen Gene as a tight end in football, right, one of those guys 655 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.320 like a fendianobun who is just you know, a big, bruising kind of 656 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.320 dude. Put him in a football uniform and see what happens. There's a 657 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:53.840 lot of throughout the whole year. So yeah, okay, no, that 658 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.880 was cool. So we'll reminisce some more. Make sure we remind Jim about 659 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.960 Pete's note to Ye and anything else we have breaking news. I guess we'll 660 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.639 wait for for for Ryan here with Pima. Oh it still we don't know. 661 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:13.199 Yeah there, yeah they're still going okay, and anything else anybody want 662 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.159 to call. We have eight minutes five two zero, four one six seventy 663 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.559 four forty If you have any big time moments that you remember from anytime in 664 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.440 the Pack eight Pack ten, Packed twelve, you know, I wish I'd 665 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.480 been here for I wish I'd been here for the ton of Cliff. That 666 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.239 was a tough dude, right because he was undersized, but he was just 667 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.760 he was just you know, not afraid of anything, right, right, 668 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.400 right, And and and his toughness. Was was a big deal for the 669 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.039 you know, I mean he got here I think for the I think in 670 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.840 eighty yeah, yeah, eighty to eighty three. And I had a lot 671 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:50.679 to do with with Arizona taking that taking that stab. And he was he 672 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.360 said, he was very fortunate because that's when the the offense switched, Yeah, 673 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:59.400 because Larry moved it to more of offen because he wasn't the guy. 674 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:00.800 Yeah, and then he came in and he was the guy because of that 675 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.320 oflphanse Right, there's another. Here's another one of those memories that I have. 676 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.440 And again, my kids if they heard me say this, that shake 677 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.760 their heads because I can't remember, you know, I forgot him at the 678 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.519 school or whatever, but I remember they were I think they were playing USC 679 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.920 football in football nineteen eight. It was the first year. It was Larry 680 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:24.199 Smith's first year and they were just struggling at quarterback and he was he was 681 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.800 the true freshman company. And they bring him in and maybe it wasn't the 682 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.800 USC game, but whatever game it was, but they bring him into the 683 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:37.239 game for the first time, the first time he's played a quarterback. It's 684 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:42.000 his first play and they throw a bomb okay, and it was such a 685 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.719 great throw. It was an incomplete pass, and I remember the crowd like 686 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:52.960 went bananas here. Yeah, his first throw was an incomplete pass. But 687 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.719 people were so happy to see a guy who could throw the ball like that, 688 00:45:55.239 --> 00:46:00.440 and they really, I mean they cheered at the throw even though he 689 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.639 didn't complete it. And just one that Larry Smith had had the nad to 690 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.639 let his guy, his true freshman, on his first play go yard and 691 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.920 then second he threw it a mile and then the crowd just went nuts and 692 00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.599 and and uh, you know, there were some great games that here the 693 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.800 USC a forty eight to forty one game or something like that against USC that 694 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.639 both teams are just going back and forth. I mean that was they wanted 695 00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.199 on a Ronnie Lott interception return for a touch Well, that wasn't the winning 696 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.519 score, but they threw a bomb on like the last play the first half. 697 00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.360 Ronnie lot picked it off, ran it in for a touchdown, and 698 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.760 and there's only lost by a touchdown. Let me give you another one of 699 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.400 those dudes. So we haven't mentioned yet, Jay Dobbins. Richard Dice, 700 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:51.800 Yeah, Richard Richard disuspecting unassuming right, Yeah, again Richard Diyceon wasn't fast, 701 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.159 wasn't tall, but he'd go up there. He'd go up and get 702 00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:00.920 the ball. And he played that ASU games seen your year on a torn 703 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.039 up knee and had a great game. I remember there was a one play 704 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:09.400 where he made a catch and he looks up at the su fans and he's 705 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.360 pointing at his knee like saying, I got a crap knee and I'm still 706 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.119 kicking your ass. You know, he was that guy. Yeah. No, 707 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:20.239 there's been a bunch of them. Another you kind of look back football. 708 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.000 I'll give you another one. Kevin Perr Oh yeah, yeah, don't 709 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.239 bring that stuff in here, right right, right right. He marginal player, 710 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.159 but it was one of those unfortunate guys from New York. Yeah, 711 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:37.199 yeah, yeah. And there's been a few obviously throughout the years. Let's 712 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.239 you know, let's talk about Damon Stottemire. Welly have too. There's one 713 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.840 problem with Damon. I love Damon. He knows that I love Damon. 714 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.719 Uh. He hated to lose. He willed this team as much but his 715 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.039 in fact, in fact, when I wrote one of the books, I 716 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.199 said, what's your what's your legers legacy? And he says, I don't 717 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:58.519 know. My team's lost in the first round twice, you know, yeah, 718 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:00.400 maybe even three times. Uh, but he got him to the final 719 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.440 four with Kalid uh in ninety six they went to the Sweet sixty ninety five 720 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.679 four, but ninety five they lost in Miami. Will High right, three 721 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.400 times he lost in the first round when he was there. Chris Mills another 722 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.719 guy. Yeah, yeah, but Damon, Damon is one of my favorite 723 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.760 guys. In fact, I'll go to my death saying this second best player 724 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:24.239 here that I covered, and probably the second best player in my time in 725 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:29.239 thirty some years. And people, I think people would there would be a 726 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.519 lot of people would call it a tie between Bibby and and and Gamon for 727 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.400 best point guard ever. Yeah yeah, yeah right, well Sean Sean being 728 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.639 the best player. Yeah, and then David to me number two, the 729 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.480 things he did, Jason Terry up there obviously, yeah, and probably none 730 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.079 of them. Shawn's team is because Shawn's guys because they didn't stay long enough. 731 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.719 You know, when year's not gonna do it right, right, No, 732 00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:54.360 I get and even Bibby, I mean it seems like if people say 733 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.800 greatest, he's only here two years, two years. But but but he 734 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:02.119 but deliver the national championship. Then they did that thing at the Pond. 735 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:08.360 Yeah, I don't know which I you know, I know in two thousand 736 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:13.480 and one they lost, you know, they that game they lost for the 737 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.800 National Championship. But I kind of feel like the ninety eight loss in the 738 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:24.599 in the Elite eight hurt more, no no question, no question, one 739 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.840 of the biggest disappointments out of Chicago, after Chicago, after Rosemond, because 740 00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.920 they how they got beat, who they got beat by, uh they were 741 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.000 and where they got beat and where they got beat. They were ready to 742 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.880 be that the defending the back to back national champions since since Duke, and 743 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.880 they just laid an egg. And there's reasons why. But but they just 744 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.199 didn't play well that day. It actually played horribly that day. You know, 745 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.880 you think, Okay, if Bibby has a bad day, Simon show 746 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.599 up. If Simon and Bbby don't show up, Michael Dickerson will show Jason, 747 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.039 none of U. It was bad. It was stunning. I remember 748 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.960 how stunny they I mean, they were down big at halftime and I thought, 749 00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.400 yeah, they're going to lose. And I kind of felt like they 750 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.639 got no shot and then they got blown out. Yeah, and I'm not 751 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.760 to say that Utel wasn't it wasn't a bad team, because it was a 752 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.480 good team. But this was Arizona's at that time, the best team ever. 753 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.000 Yeah, because they had won it and then they were the same team 754 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.679 back and they were going to win it again, right, And so they 755 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:29.920 they fell on my list about four because I still say the two thousand and 756 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.760 one team, You'll say the eighty eight team, right, and then the 757 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:37.159 ninety seven in two thousand and three, ninety seven is barely in the top 758 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.199 ten teams in terms of how good they were. Right now, if you 759 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.880 were to play them against each other, I think ninety seven barely gets into 760 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.159 the top ten. But they won the national championship, so you have to 761 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.239 put them up there. I tells you how, you have to be good, 762 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:51.960 you have to be lucky, you have to be a lot of things. 763 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:53.039 You just got to get on a roll, right, and they and 764 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:57.599 they did and they did. But you know, as we you know, 765 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.000 as we head out of the out of the pack ten or the pack twelve, 766 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.000 you know, you gotta think Arizona really kind of is the one that 767 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:10.199 really made the Packed ten slash twelve kind of in basketball. I know, 768 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:14.280 there was UCLA and all the things that they did in the sixties and seventies 769 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.920 relevant, but the Arizonas what kept the pack yeah, Pack twelve relevant sure 770 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.280 during during that time, without question, without Arizona the league would have been 771 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:28.119 sure completely crap, even with UCLA's back to back Final four pairents a few 772 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.320 years back. No, Arizona was the was the cornerstone, right They were 773 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.000 the reason that people thought when they thought highly of it, and they still 774 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:37.280 think that. I mean, it's one of the reasons why you still think 775 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.440 they were blue blood because you remember those times, right, you know, 776 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.960 and the kids growing up, I don't really remember those times because it's been 777 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.880 forevering, but people our age remember, yeah, they do, they do, 778 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.480 and we remember what, you know, how far Arizona had to come 779 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.360 to get there. You know, you remember the four and twenty four season 780 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:00.000 and how just just at the snap of a finger, Arizona was relevant in 781 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.519 in basketball, not just at the you know, in the conference level, 782 00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.519 but on a national level, you know, and all that happened in a 783 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.119 very short period of time, right right, right, Okay, we got 784 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.239 to go all right, let's take a break where you're at the top of 785 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.159 the hour. Ryan's gonna be back here with breaking news. He's been digging 786 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.119 in, so we'll see what he's got. Stick around