WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.439 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.039 so like to subscribe and read it. Five stary and met on yesterday and 3 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:29.199 listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and 4 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:35.000 James Boobo Fay greeting's Bobo. Well, Cliff, what's happened to my friend? 5 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.880 Not much, just down out helping the folks down in a sotel. 6 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.640 So down here for a week? Oh wow, Okay, I didn't know 7 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:46.960 that. Okay, but this might be the most active spring. It's one 8 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:50.960 of the top three in the last like thirty five years for me in an 9 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.799 amount of reportion, hearing from all over the place, like where what have 10 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.799 you heard? People seeing them and hearing them finding tracks and tho those tracksh 11 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:03.560 pop open up everywhere. Tell me all about it. Well, you didn't 12 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:06.640 get any more, did you? I got one yesterday? O way, 13 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.280 I found three potential ones. Now this is an area like there's a lot 14 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.159 of stuff going on all throughout this one particular area. And I've been pushing 15 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.200 into new roads because I've been hitting the same old roads again and again and 16 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:21.879 they're just not producing, you know, maybe e theiy're onto me or something. 17 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:23.480 Maybe, who knows. So I've been pushing into new roads. And 18 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.519 when I say new roads, I mean really old, unused roads that hardly 19 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:32.200 anybody ever touches or goes on anymore. And I found a pretty old print. 20 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:37.319 Actually I found two on one road, and then one possibly but I 21 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.560 doubt it on another road. But the two that I found on this one 22 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:46.680 unused road, there's this there's a spring on this road and it kind of 23 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.920 drools water all down it in about four or five hundred yards down past the 24 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.560 spring. It's still pretty moist in that area. I did pull a track 25 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:00.159 yesterday. I pulled a cast. It's very shallow, but it was and 26 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.480 forest stuff and moss and whatever else. The heel was pretty pronounced, and 27 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.319 there were two or three pretty faint toes. Pretty faint, but I do 28 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.759 believe that there were toes. And you know, if I see toes in 29 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:13.919 there, I'm probably gonna cast it. So I put plaster in it. 30 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.159 And today at work, I was working on all sorts of projects. I'm 31 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:20.680 kind of up against the wall and a couple of things. So I asked 32 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.840 Keith, one of the team members there at the NABC to pick at it 33 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:28.879 and try to get all the duff off it. So he got most of 34 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.080 it off. Tomorrow we're going to burn it out the rest of the organic 35 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.680 material and see if any the toes registered at the cast. So, but 36 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.159 if it is what I think it is, and you know, I don't 37 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:39.680 know, maybe it's not a print. Maybe it's just something that looks remarkably 38 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.360 like a print. That happens too, you know, probably far more often 39 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.639 than i'd like. But hopefully we had a couple of toes in there. 40 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:50.199 But if it is a print, it might be the same fourteen inch individual 41 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.560 they've been tracking for a while. So we will see. Last time I 42 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.479 talked to you, last time we were on we were going. The next 43 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.879 morning you go out to the others area to go see oh yeah, yeah, 44 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:04.680 that turned out to be double stepping ELK prints, which is kind of 45 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.919 a bum out because the pictures that I was sent and a couple of them 46 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:09.240 looked really weird, but one or two of them looked really good. They're 47 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.400 like, oh are those toes? That's interesting? You know, not quite 48 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.159 sure what's going on. I went out there, but the guys are a 49 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.879 rare and the guys are super cool, like really really nice people that and 50 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:23.680 just well meaning misidentified. And sure enough when I got there to the sandbar 51 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.439 at the mouth of that little river there, they took me out on their 52 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:30.000 boat and after the spot where the thing walked across the sandbar and the tide 53 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.199 already claimed it two more times or one more time, I think two more 54 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:36.520 times since they initially took the pictures by the time I got there and thinking, 55 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.759 man, this does look by petal and they are about the right size. 56 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.560 There are a couple of weird marks in them, and so I followed 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.240 the entire trackway over probably three hundred four hundred yards of you know, mud 58 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:51.919 essentially, and there were some really wonky looking ones and some really okay looking 59 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:53.520 ones. But at the end of the day, what it really turned out 60 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:59.360 to be is double stepping elk that you know, where the hoofs are in 61 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.639 front or whatever. A couple of those suggested toes. I mean, the 62 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.879 pictures that they sent. A couple of them looked just too wonky to be 63 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:10.400 anything in particular, but a couple of them the way that the tide of 64 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.800 the water kind of came in and out of the princes especially where the hoofmarks 65 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.279 were suggested toes. There were hundreds of these tracks, so I had a 66 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:21.519 great sample set to examine closely, and they were at the end of the 67 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.639 day, there were clearly elk prints. And you know, I don't begrudge 68 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.360 the guys. They did the best job they could. They photographed the best 69 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.519 looking ones and send them to me, and I'll always, you know, 70 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.279 chase something down on the coast. I love the coast, you know, 71 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.399 I don't get out to the coast nearly as much as I would like. 72 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.560 And it was just a great day, you know, just a great day. 73 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.120 The guys were super cool. One of the guys hooked me up with 74 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.959 like a bunch of fresh seafood that he had in his freezer and stuff, 75 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:47.600 and yeah, I got some crabs and everything was great. You know, 76 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.959 it was a great day and I think it'll make it I'm gonna make a 77 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:56.519 video for our members at the museum about it, because you know, over 78 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.759 the last few years, I really feel like I've like leveled up as far 79 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.720 as a tracker goes. And again I don't profess to be a great tracker. 80 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.519 They've gotten way better. Well, yeah, that's the whole feel I 81 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:09.959 just feel like I've made some real progress over the last few years. You 82 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.040 know, what I've really learned the last few years is that context means so 83 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.399 much. Looking at a track is one thing, but you don't look just 84 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:18.839 look at a track, you look at everything around it. And so I'm 85 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:23.920 going to make a video, I think for our museum members, because you 86 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.000 know, they get those two videos for being members every single month, and 87 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.879 that's not the podcast members. That's difference museum stuff about context clues, you 88 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.639 know, because that was a big thing and when I was teaching children how 89 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:38.399 to read, when I was an elementary school teacher, using context clues to 90 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.199 figure out what vocabulary terms mean. And it's really the same thing with tracking. 91 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.720 And it was the context of this situation that really led me down that 92 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.759 they'd be absolute, one hundred percent certain that these were in fact elk tracks 93 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.959 that have been melted out with the tide and all that other stuff. So 94 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.160 it was a great day, good learning experience, particularly for those guys and 95 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.199 stuff. And I've got two more excellent contacts on a very active area on 96 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.879 the coast, so I know that if anything else happens to them, And 97 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:10.720 dude, this I went to the guy's house. He lives between like two 98 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:16.079 super active areas. Like he literally lives on the ridge between this river valley 99 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.680 that a ton of stuff comes out of on one side and then the other 100 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:25.360 side of that same ridge. I've got like four or five reports on that 101 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.439 side of the ridge too. He lives right in between, on like three 102 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.360 or four acres super killer spot. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that 103 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.680 guy called me at any time. So yeah, super neat. It was 104 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.839 a great day. It was a great day. It was a long day, 105 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.199 but you know, some seafood at the end of it, and made 106 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.160 a couple of good friends and all that other stuff, and so pretty stoked. 107 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.879 Well, okay, with not much else to talk about it, why 108 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:48.120 don't we go straight to our guest. This is going to be a great 109 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:53.720 episode. Pretty excited about this. This is the author of Haunted War Tales, 110 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:58.439 True Military Encounters with the Bizarre, Paranormal and Unexplained. RC. Bramhall, 111 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.279 RC, thank you so much for a little bit of time aside to 112 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.319 come talk to Cliff and the Bobs Man. Really excited about this one. 113 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.240 Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much for having me on I've 114 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.720 been a fan for years. You guys watched the show, of course, 115 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:14.040 but actually I have enjoyed the podcast more so. I feel like I've gotten 116 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.680 to know you guys, you know, even more so through this medium. 117 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.680 So it's been great. Hey, Arsue, thanks for joining us. I 118 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:24.240 agreed. I think the podcast has been on the show too. Hopefully it'll 119 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.040 be longer lasting. Can imagine we're doing this for nine years. We have 120 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.399 to have you on two or three times RC if that's the case. Hey, 121 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.959 hey, hey, that's a goal, a personal goal. Now, 122 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.240 speaking of which, is this your first book or is this just a long 123 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.079 one of many? It is my first book. I've been a writer for 124 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:45.680 years, been in the screenwriting world, so I made this jump into nonfiction. 125 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.959 And I'm also right, you know, horror war is kind of my 126 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:54.040 brand, so I'm a horror war fiction writer. Also, now you said 127 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:56.879 you're a screenwriter, you have you done anything that we might have seen or 128 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:00.680 No? Unfortunately I haven't. Oh, I'm so sorry to bring it up. 129 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.680 I have lots of unproduced scripts. Yeah, you know, I got 130 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:07.199 paid a few times and adapted a few novels. But yeah, that's you 131 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.839 know, it's a frustrating world. That's why I kind of was tired of 132 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.079 beating my head against the wall there. You know, I've collected these stories 133 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:18.240 for years being an Army vet and started to realize after some time, like, 134 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.360 wow, I might have enough here to start, you know, putting 135 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:24.040 a collection together and actually being able to classify all these different stories into kind 136 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.160 of different you know, realms. And of course Bigfoot, as you can 137 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.960 imagine, is a huge one. When and where did you serve? I 138 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.080 served from nineteen eighty eight to ninety two. I was with fifth Infantry Division 139 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:43.639 most of the time. I was an intelligence sergeant and finished up with twenty 140 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.960 of Special Forces Group in their Military Intelligence Attachment, a couple of years in 141 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.440 the National Guard while I was in college. And did you serve overseas or 142 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.000 did you do it all domestically or yeah, all domestic. I was, 143 00:08:54.600 --> 00:09:01.919 you know, involved in intelligence, especially for Panama. We had a brigade 144 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:07.720 down there from our fifth Infantry whenever Panama broke loose, so we actually had 145 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.559 a unit in combat down there in nineteen eighty nine. When did you first 146 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.279 realize that there's some sort of cross I'm assuming like a lot of people like 147 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.519 us, like kind of love monsters and the whole Patterson Goodwin background in search 148 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.600 of and all that jazz. That's a big assumption, of course, But 149 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:24.320 when did you realize there's some sort of crossover between the military aspect of your 150 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.840 life and your love of you know, monsters and unknown weird stuff. For 151 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.919 sure. I don't know if you guys were ever comic kids, but if 152 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.480 you remember, you know, like DC had a line of great war comics 153 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.120 right back in the eighties, and one of their comics was called Weird War 154 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.399 and it literally was like an anthology every month of kind of short stories that 155 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.320 you know, mashed up different time periods, different wars, with horror, 156 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.080 you know, with ghost or zombies or different kind of things going on. 157 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.679 So at a very young age that just I love that mashup, you know, 158 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:03.159 and just always had that interest, and so join the army. I 159 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.559 kind of always knew that was the first step I was going to make in 160 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:11.120 life. I had an uncle, not really an uncle, you know, 161 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.320 one of his cousins you call uncle, who was a Green Beret, had 162 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.960 a big influence on me, for sure. But it's just always been interested 163 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.840 in anything strange, right, mysteries unsolved mysteries. And then even being in 164 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:26.799 intelligence, you know, there was always some rumors and some weird stuff that 165 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.399 would come through from time to time, especially with you know, the whole 166 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.240 psychic warfare programs. You might know a little bit about that stuff. Like 167 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.480 the movie The Men Who Stare At Goats right, was based on that book. 168 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.399 That was kind of a take on it. But a lot of that 169 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.799 stuff, you know, like honestly that like that whole episode of a guy 170 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.799 staring at a goat, you know, and stopping its heart mentally, that 171 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:52.559 kind of stuff was you know, it was out there in the intelligence world. 172 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.440 There were guys working in that field, so more of that kind of 173 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:03.519 stuff. And then of course you know aliens, UFOs always you know, 174 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:09.200 unidentified kind of you know, aircraft or things in the ocean even and you 175 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.120 know, I avoided all that in the book. It's just because I feel 176 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.720 like, you know, so much of that is done already. And my 177 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.799 point with this book is to really when you read it, to find stories 178 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.159 you've never come across before, you know, like that was my goal. 179 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.120 Is to find stuff that's not out there already. And it's kind of been 180 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.440 retread one hundred times, you know, increasingly difficult in the big foux world 181 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.320 that we live in, no doubt. But you know a lot of people 182 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.240 aren't aware of the international aspect, right that you guys are always trying to 183 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.759 push that that this isn't just an American thing. It's not a North American 184 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:46.240 phenomenon. It's a worldwide phenomenon. And you know, I've got several different 185 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:52.759 international military reports that involve Harry Hominid's. Yeah, it seems like several chapters 186 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.879 of this book. And this is not like some sort of like light book 187 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.279 either, I mean, what is it. It's probably over two hundred pages, 188 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.919 two hundred fifty pages maybe somewhere in there too, at least two full 189 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.919 chapters or chalk full of this stuff. Although I will say, you know, 190 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.200 you're kind enough to send me a copy of the book. I've not 191 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.399 got into it, but I have had a chance to thumb through it a 192 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.600 bit. And I'll tell you what, I don't think I've ever read a 193 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.799 better title of a chapter than a Nazi and necronomic con the Cannibal Core and 194 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.279 Wandering Souls. Awesome. I've got some confidence on that, thank you. 195 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.919 Yeah, holy smokes, Like, I don't know what this is about. 196 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:28.960 But I know that I might just read it out of order. Yeah, 197 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:31.919 and you can do that. That's what's cool. At the book. You 198 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.279 can literally pick it up any almost anywhere and just start reading a page and 199 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.399 hopefully you won't want to put it down, you know. Okay, So 200 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.279 okay, So you're interested in the DC comic the Weird War series, And 201 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.519 by the way, I just google that. There's holy smokes, there's a 202 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.399 lot of stuff. This is rad. Yeah, that's really cool. I 203 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.200 know we have a fair number of comic book nerds that listen to this thing. 204 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.799 I'm looking at you, Brandon and various other folks. There's a good 205 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.639 number of people who love this kind of thing. I had no idea there 206 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.639 was so much of this out there. So that kind of kind of set 207 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.600 the stage a little bit for your future life. And lo and behold, 208 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.279 you enter the army, kind of like fulfilling your own prophecy. When you 209 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.759 were working and he dealt with some of the weirder things and being in intelligence 210 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.480 and all that jazz. Were you stationed on a base where stuff happened like 211 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.720 Fort Lewis or something like that. I mean, was anything happening at any 212 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.000 of the bases where you actually had to work. Well, what's interesting about 213 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.759 that. I was my main you know, most of my time in the 214 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:30.440 Army was spent at Fort Poke, Louisiana, right considered the arm pit of 215 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.600 the Army. And I was happy because when I got there, you know, 216 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.440 the drinking age was eighteen in Louisiana, so that equaled everything out for 217 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.480 me. That's why I was dog round of course coming down there at Fort 218 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.840 Pole. Well, that's what I was gonna say. So, I don't 219 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.559 know if you're familiar with like tales from the grid Square. It's a guy 220 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.120 who has an Instagram account. I think his name is Nick Worton or that's 221 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.080 the name he uses. But he's a current member of the military. So 222 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.320 he was actually stationed at Fort Poke, and you know, like has a 223 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:03.759 lot of incidents and things that have happened within his time there. But when 224 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:07.080 I was there, unfortunately, no nothing I've ever heard of. Now, 225 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.679 of course, you know bigfoot in Louisiana. Yes, you know, outside 226 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.120 of the base, I had heard rumors and different things, especially as you 227 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.039 know, the Texas Louisiana border real hot spot and that's kind of where Fort 228 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.440 Polk is kind of like right on the edge of that. But you have 229 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.240 Fort poke Is. There's a lot of weird stuff happening there now, but 230 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.480 not when I was there. You're good to Fort Lewis. I've never been 231 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:35.279 there. But that's a big part of the domestic Disturbances chapter, of course, 232 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:41.320 because you know so many bigfoot reports and just so many interesting rumors, 233 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.519 even of you know, guys who are stationed there, like Ranger Cadre, 234 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.679 you know that run Ranger School, and just some of the reports out of 235 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.720 there, guys saying that. You know, even when you go through trainings, 236 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.600 a lot of times guys will tell you, hey, like I don't 237 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.879 care if you believe in this or not. You know, they're out there, 238 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.279 and if you do come across one, do not engage, you know, 239 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.039 avoid it at all costs. And we've had things happen in the past, 240 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:09.159 and you know, guys laugh it off and then they go out there 241 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.919 and have some kind of strange experience, you know, and wonder what the 242 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.600 hell is going on if it's like some kind of psychological trick that they're trying 243 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.159 to play on them, where you know, somethings are actually out there following 244 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:26.240 them around so yeah, Fort lewis probably the hottest area, right, like 245 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.759 when we're talking about Bigfoot sightings. As you can imagine, they officially refer 246 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.039 to one part of the training course now as sub Squatch Alley up there. 247 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.600 Yeah, there's several certain areas of the base that are pretty famous, you 248 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.799 know, like I don't remember the name. If there's a certain pond on 249 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:46.679 base that's known also as kind of a hot spot. Stay tuned for more 250 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.960 Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. 251 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.480 The museums located not too far from there, like maybe hour and a 252 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.440 half two hours, and so we get a fair number of military folks coming 253 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.159 through. And if they tell me their their their station there or were stationed 254 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.840 there, I always ask them one hundred percent of the time, I ask 255 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:11.919 them, so you ever been blah blah blah, you know you've been told 256 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.360 about these things? And the answer is yes, probably about I'm guessing about 257 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.399 thirty to forty percent of the time. Wow, that's pretty high. Yeah, 258 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.679 it is pretty high considering that these things are aren't real supposedly, right, 259 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:26.440 but yet there they are. Like most people, you know, like 260 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:27.679 I said, sixty to seventy percent say no, no, they never really 261 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:32.240 mentioned it or whatever. And sometimes they say, yeah, well I know 262 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.399 one guy who said he saw one or something like that. But several people 263 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.000 have told me straight out says, oh no, no. Before operations, 264 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.320 we were warned about these things and they said, don't worry about them, 265 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.679 just ignore them. Go you know, nothing to see here sort of thing 266 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:48.080 exactly that that lake is called Cat Lake. Just so we know Cat Lake. 267 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.399 You know, that's part of the range of training area. It's notorious 268 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.000 for having been the layer of a particular sas squats for several years. Now, 269 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.799 is that in your book? Yes? Very cool. So what other 270 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.079 bases and areas in this country before we go abroad here? Do you mention 271 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:08.079 and go deep into into the book here? Honestly, I could have picked 272 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.799 any one of them as I did my research. You know, you can 273 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.119 find bigfoot reports on almost every military base. And you know, when you 274 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.200 look at the reasons, I really think you know one of my personal theories, 275 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.720 and I think you guys may have even mentioned this before. When you 276 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.720 think about, you know, if this species is thriving, right, if 277 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:33.119 this is actually where their numbers are growing, when you look at areas that 278 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:38.359 are protected, you know, national parks, wilderness management areas, huge sections 279 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:45.200 of military bases. These areas are hugely undisturbed, right, I mean there, 280 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.440 you know, it is the perfect area if you were an animal that 281 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.680 was looking to hide somewhere that had a liverable habitat that you're not going to 282 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.839 encounter that many people. You know, they're perfect areas. Right When you 283 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:02.440 look at most military bases, they're huge, but almost every one of them 284 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:07.079 backs up too, you know, more huge wilderness areas, whether they're national 285 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.640 parks and some kind of designated area or state. So, you know, 286 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.799 just talking about massive amounts of land, you know, like really undisturbed wilderness. 287 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.519 And so when you start looking around, it's like every base has their 288 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:25.079 own war, you know, basically everywhere but Hawaii. You know, I 289 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.359 got invinted by these guys. He was a range master at a base in 290 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.519 Oklahoma as an artillery I know, they did a lot of artillery training there 291 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.640 was like I talked to him like several times. I never made it out 292 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:41.400 there, but he had a lot of stories from his days. I know 293 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:44.200 which we're talking about, but I forget the name. It's the home of 294 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.640 the Artillery. Of course, seal is that in your book? No, 295 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:52.680 that's not when I included we've got twenty nine palms. The Marine Corps Air 296 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.559 Ground Combat Center in California. That's pretty wild. There's so many encounters there. 297 00:18:56.599 --> 00:19:00.880 They have, like, you know, very a vast range of nicknames, 298 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:07.720 from the Sierra Highway Devil to the Mohave Sandman to the Yucaman. And 299 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.079 it kind of backs up to the Joshua Tree National Park and that Majave National 300 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.960 Preserve and then even the Armies National Training Center. So you have this huge 301 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:21.559 area and they've even you know, enough reports almost seem like there's almost a 302 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.640 pattern of their movement between these areas, you know. And something really interesting 303 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.599 too. One of the Native American tribes in the San Bernardino Mountain region called 304 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.720 them talk We's. I think Talkweits. You ever heard of that? Yeah? 305 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.119 Absolutely there. When I was in Boy Scouts, before I was asked 306 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:44.039 to not be in Boy Scouts any longer by the Boy Scouts, I would 307 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:48.640 have to go to summer camp up there, and it was I went literally 308 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.119 went to Camp Talkuitz, which you know, that was the camp I went 309 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:56.279 to, and I guess there's a creek in a valley out there, and 310 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.119 little talk about foreshadowing. I mean, had I known like that was what 311 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.200 it was named after, yeah, yeah, maybe I would have enjoyed Boy 312 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:07.960 Scouts a little bit more. Yeah. So that's one of the interesting things, 313 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.000 is you know that that like there's a canyon and a water phone named 314 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.759 that and to the local indigenous people, that's where these things kind of originated. 315 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.319 You know, it's one of their favorite haunts. Was that area. 316 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.359 It's kind of Mount San Jacinto, their palm springs. Yeah, kind of 317 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.160 kind of a fair amount of stuff still happens down there in that general vicinity 318 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.799 for southern California. It's a hotspot for sure, Edward's Air Force Base in 319 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.839 California. A lot of stranger, cryptid behavior there, more like almost like 320 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:41.519 alien stuff or kind of strange monsters, like three toed kind of things. 321 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.319 You know, you're probably I'm sure you're familiar with Doug Trapp. Oh yeah, 322 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.920 yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I've not interviewed him, but 323 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.720 I although he'd be a good interview, he might be a good person get 324 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:53.039 on the podcast. Yeah. So I got a lot of stuff from his 325 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:59.240 research of you know, like looking into desert sasquatches and talking to Air Force 326 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.160 veterans. One of the cool things about that base is I came across like 327 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:08.160 a newspaper article and it was a reunion of like the Air Force police that 328 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:12.400 were stationed there. They were called the Desert Rats, and it was like 329 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:18.240 guys that were stationer between seventy three and seventy nine and you know, being 330 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.319 retired and all these years later. That's what's cool is a lot of these 331 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:23.440 ex military guys, you know, they're willing to start sharing this stuff when 332 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:29.119 they're not you know, in danger of being called crazy or losing their rank 333 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.079 or anything. And you know, so I came across this like newspaper report. 334 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:36.880 It was really cool reading all these guys like basically telling all these you 335 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.480 know, cryptid stories. It just it was a regular newspaper article about the 336 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.000 reunion. So there's a lot of that stuff in there, just you know, 337 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.440 seeing a lot of orbs, strange lights, and then like I say, 338 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.039 some kind of bizarre eight foot time between eight and ten foot creature. 339 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:57.680 Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton. That's another hotspot. I go to Fort Carson, 340 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:02.359 Colorado, Well what are you getting out of? Like I haven't heard 341 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.279 much recently. I mean, it's so think there was a long dead zone, 342 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.279 Like I didn't heard anything out of Penalton from like the early eighties until 343 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:11.799 like the two thousands. Yeah, the same thing. Most of the stuff 344 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.599 I have as older. It's like from the eighties, and a lot of 345 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.480 these places that you're mentioning recently, Edwards Air Force Base very desert like in 346 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:23.799 a lot of ways, you know, and some of are straight out desert, 347 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.880 like I think Edward's Air Force Space is literally just desert for the most 348 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.799 part, but there's mountains nearby and also river valleys that go through a lot 349 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.880 of these. I know Bobo and I have both done footprint investigations when we 350 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:38.279 were in southern California in the Mohave river bed, and what we found, 351 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.680 or at least what i've I think Bobo would be in agreement with this. 352 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:47.359 Most of the stuff there in those environments happened during the winter time. Did 353 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.319 you maybe I know this wasn't the focus of your book, but or you 354 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.319 know, I think it was for the most part. Did you notice that 355 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:59.160 they tended to be more in the in the colder time of year. Yeah, 356 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:02.640 I don't really. I didn't look at that necessarily. I'd have to 357 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:06.079 go back and look at my reports and see, we don't get break short 358 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:11.319 reports consistently, like you know, around what other cryptid or what other phenomena 359 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.200 it gets reported, like not just like in like localiz of there's like across 360 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.319 the board, like North America. Well, you know, obviously a lot 361 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.720 of Hank teams, right, Almost all the bases have their own ghost stories, 362 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.119 kind of their own lore. For Leavenworth, it's probably one of the 363 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:30.160 most haunted bases with the amount of like different stories and encounters going on there. 364 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:37.039 But yeah, not any necessarily like a cryptid necessarily associated with a particular 365 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.400 base, you know, like a dog man or moth man or anything else 366 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.759 different. Almost all sasquatch. We kind of touched the base on a lot 367 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.519 of the no no pun intended. I guess touch base on a lot of 368 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.839 the local bases here domestically, But you have a lot of stuff from overseas 369 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.640 bases as well, and from places that I personally don't know very much about 370 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.440 the Harry hormonoids in that area, even though I obviously I know that they're 371 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.559 there or I've heard stories, but I've never really looked into them, you 372 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:07.519 know, just because probably I probably will never go to Afghanistan, but yet 373 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:14.920 you have a significant part of your chapter deals with the Afghany Harry harmanoids can 374 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.319 tell us a little bit about what's going on out there, Yeah for sure. 375 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.319 So, you know, kind of starting with the Almas, right, 376 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.640 kind of Central Asia's version of some type of you know, almost more human 377 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:33.119 like Neanderthal rather than a neo giant, kind of like Sasquatch or a Yawi. 378 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:34.759 So, you know, I talk a lot about that, so many 379 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:40.160 Russian reports going all the way back to like the Russian Civil War early nineteen 380 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:45.559 hundreds, all the way up through more modern times. And what I try 381 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.359 to show in there is, you know, to again the skeptic or someone 382 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.440 who doesn't really know much about this, is, you know, the actual 383 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:57.839 history backing this stuff up. And how when we look at the remnants of 384 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:03.359 Neanderthal settle and the places we find, you know, like kind of the 385 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.839 last refuges of these Neanderthals are the same areas where these Almas are still being 386 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.880 reported being seen, you know, So is it that far to stretch that 387 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:18.960 you know, some of these things may have retreated into these most inhospitable places 388 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:26.039 in the world. When you look across from the Rockies, the Colorado Rockies 389 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.039 all the way to the Hindu Kush or the Premiere in Takistan, or the 390 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.319 all Tea Mountain range in West Mongolia. You know, it's the same type 391 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:41.960 of environments where these things are seen, right and especially in Russia, you 392 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:47.519 know the presence of these Neanderthal like settlements, the remnants that these archaeologists find, 393 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.920 it just really backs up. It's always in the same areas that these 394 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:55.519 things are being seen by locals. And so when we move into Afghanistan, 395 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.960 you know, several encounters our guys had with things that really are unexplainable. 396 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.079 The giants. Yeah, one of the most interesting ones I came across was, 397 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.400 you know, it's kind of a squad was overlooking a village, an 398 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:14.880 Afghan village overnight, kind of watching for activity, and you know, through 399 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:21.240 their thermals they spot a heat signature that's across the valley about the same elevation 400 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:25.519 as they are on the on the mountain across the valley, and it's so 401 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:30.559 huge of a heat signature that the guy who sponts it figures it's a group 402 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:32.759 of people. You know, it has to be a group of people that 403 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.680 kind of sitting huddled together. So he wakes up the rest of the squad. 404 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:37.880 You know, hey, we need to watch this because it seems like 405 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.599 there's a group over there. Let's you know, keep an eye on and 406 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.240 see what they're doing. And so the whole squad has eyes on this thing, 407 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.359 watching it through their thermals and as you know, that means there's something 408 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:53.160 there, right, regardless of what the belief is, that heat signature is 409 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.559 proving something was there. And as they watch and expecting this kind of group 410 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:02.920 to break up, they see this heat signature kind of stand up as one 411 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.559 thing and like walk over the crest in the mountain. And then another encounter 412 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.279 guys had they actually saw this thing kind of scaling up the side of a 413 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.480 hill, and you know that actually in daylight, like had a good eye 414 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.319 on it, and the guys thought it was some you know, an ape 415 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.799 or some kind of gorilla. And they said it was moving up the side 416 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.880 of this mountain so fast it was impossible, you know, it was almost 417 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.920 like impossible to understand as they watched it, and you know, one of 418 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.279 the guy's jokes, I did a gorilla like escape a local zoo or what 419 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.440 is this and kind of when they talked to the locals about it, they 420 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.920 were real matter of fact, like, oh, you saw a barman u, 421 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.880 you know, so they call him over there, and you know, 422 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.920 just going into the locals belief. Another really cool thing I came across was 423 00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.079 another you know, kind of an interview with the local villager there, and 424 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.279 he just talked so matter of factly about these things. As you know, 425 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.279 his grandparents always knew about them, they saw them as he was growing up 426 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.759 at different times, and even tells the story how he was out one day 427 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:10.359 and actually saw one with a juvenile like holding hands and yeah, like how 428 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.599 special the moment that was for him. And he basically says, like, 429 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.119 you know, they're mountain people like we are. We leave them alone. 430 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.839 They only come down when times are tough, kind of food scarce, you 431 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.880 know, that's when they'll see them kind of around the settlements. And just 432 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.480 a matter of fact kind of attitude by the locals about these things is what 433 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.480 really gets in what about the Giant of Canada Heart So yeah, that I 434 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.640 included that in the book. You know, I find that story kind of 435 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:38.279 fantastical. Right, but I had to address it because it's definitely out there 436 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:44.880 on the Internet and there are several different individuals who claim to have different parts 437 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.720 in that story. So and then I really talk about giants too, because 438 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.240 that's another belief in Afghan culture is the giants are real. I talk about 439 00:28:53.279 --> 00:29:00.799 like an American reporter was kind of embedded with some Afghan soldiers and policemen and 440 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.359 she pointed out that, you know, her interpreter even was college educated, 441 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.359 just to point out that these weren't like you know, bill billies. It 442 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:12.359 was a group of professional guys, and they like kind of kind of came 443 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:18.079 across a grave site that was like immensely sized, and she made a comment 444 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.079 like you know, wow, that's kind of crazy, like you know, 445 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.319 who's buried there. And they told her like it was a giant, you 446 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.359 know, and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, sometimes people, 447 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.680 you know, do grow pretty tall, could be seven or eight feet tall. 448 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.160 And they're like, no, you know, like a real giant, 449 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.279 like a separate race. They're not humans like we are. And you know, 450 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.759 they got all mad at her, and like even the interpreter started yelling 451 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:41.880 at her. It was like, you know, just because you Americans don't 452 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.200 think these things are real, you know, like our grandparents lived and some 453 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.720 of them were still around, you know, like got all in the face 454 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.400 and stuff. So it's very It's part of the Afghan culture over there. 455 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.720 They believe in this stuff. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 456 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:07.480 and Bogo will be right back after these messages. I'm glad you brought up 457 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:12.039 the Neanderthal thing, and it also you you address the prevalence of other hominins. 458 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:17.839 I think that's really cool. I personally have a footprint cast from that 459 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:22.319 general area from an Alma. Doctor Meltrium gave it to me and he recently 460 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.640 when I was in Ohio, he showed me a three D scanned print. 461 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.279 Some people went over I think it was Coffin's collection over there, and they 462 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.079 they they scanned it and then they three D printed it when they got back 463 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:38.039 to the States. And again it's it's Ananderthal basically, is what you're seeing 464 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.160 in Theandertal footprint or it's it's very very similar, I should say. But 465 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:48.559 we have no information about what about these other hominins. Unfortunately, we don't 466 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.000 know if we have footprints of like homolog LONGI or anything like that. And 467 00:30:53.799 --> 00:31:00.000 a recent news article indicates that those homolonge might actually be Homodenis ovan, which 468 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.200 I think is a fascinating possibility because we have so few Homo denisovan fossils. 469 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:10.039 So something's going on over there and the answer is somehow related to human evolution. 470 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:15.160 And I think this is absolutely super cool and fantastic. Definitely. Yeah, 471 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.799 I really Avan Sanderson is getting is getting his due now, you know, 472 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.480 suggesting that there were all these different species all over the planet seemed ridiculous, 473 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.200 of course back in the sixties, but science has proven it. Yeah, 474 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.720 now it's not so much the case that it's ridiculous. And I think 475 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.119 it's really neat that you address all that in the book. So yeah, 476 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.519 and I even I remember from one of your shows, honestly, is it 477 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.160 Patterson? Oh, Gareth Patterson. Gareth Patterson, the author of Secret Beyond 478 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.559 the Secret Elephants, right, uh huh, yeah, I just mentioned him 479 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:48.480 in the book too. You know, just again that these are respected scientists, 480 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.480 you know, and if you think that they're going to make something up 481 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:56.359 like that, you know, you're barking up the rong tree. But no, 482 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.039 so we've kind of taken a look at Afghanistan and that general area of 483 00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:06.839 the world. But you have a considerable section on the rock capes of Vietnam, 484 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.039 which which I just love. My father knew a witness. When my 485 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:12.799 father was alive, he would go to the y and work out in one 486 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.559 of his friends that you know, they just kind of became friends by working 487 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:17.799 out the why together. He had seen one of these things, and that 488 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.799 really impressed my father. I think, in fact, my dad heard that 489 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.720 story before. A close friend of my father's came out and said that he 490 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.160 had or she had seen a sasquatch, which kind of turned the page on 491 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.519 our relationship a little bit. It's not like we had a bad relationship, 492 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.640 but he always knew his kid was weird, but at some point it kind 493 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.720 of came around. It's like, oh, maybe he clips up to something. 494 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.720 Actually that's pretty cool, I mean and real and instead of just weird. 495 00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.480 Right. Yeah, But he knew this rock ape witness back in the 496 00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.440 day. I guess he saw one while during a firefight, I guess in 497 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.079 his Vietnam service back in the war. But they were busy not you know, 498 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.400 trying not to get shot, so they didn't pay much attention to it 499 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.240 at the time, how many or did you have a chance at all to 500 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.519 speak to Vietnam vets who observe these during their service or did you get most 501 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.160 of the resource material from other books or articles or other means. Yeah, 502 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.759 that's I got to speak to a couple of vets in person. Yeah, 503 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.920 so that was a really exciting thing. And that's one of the things I'm 504 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.240 proud about in the book because I think I have collected more rock ape stories 505 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.359 than anyone has yet, you know. So it's interesting when you go all 506 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:27.039 the way back to like French explorers even you know that the indigenous people there, 507 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.759 I think they call them the butt toots or new he run kind of 508 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.000 means for forest people. So you know, there's a long history of these 509 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:39.119 things being there, and even some French explorers that accounts. There's an eighteen 510 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:45.839 twenty account from a ship captain. Then there's another one in like nineteen forty 511 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:52.000 seven a French officer who encountered one, So you know, these things even 512 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.240 before we got there, the lore was kind of around. And again when 513 00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.039 you start looking at the areas that we went into in Vietnam were you know, 514 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:05.920 unexplored areas, Like a lot of those jungles were areas that outside of 515 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.880 the indigenous people living there, no one had really explored or gone into. 516 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.559 And the interesting thing about the RockA phenomenon is their behavior. How they seem 517 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:22.800 like very angry about being disturbed by humans and almost like you know, very 518 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.320 aggressive in their response to that. And that's why they were called rock apes, 519 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.559 right, because they reportedly threw rocks at the troops a lot whenever they'd 520 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.440 kind of come into their areas, which, as you know, is kind 521 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.800 of a pretty common bigfoot behavior also, right. But yeah, one of 522 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.800 the veterans I got to talk to, his name is Mark, you know, 523 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.280 just on a side note, it's like awesome. One of the things 524 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.719 about doing this book that you know, sometimes you don't even think about this 525 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.599 right when you interview people, and I'm sure you've experienced that, just how 526 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.960 exciting it is for them. You know. He sent me an email when 527 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.639 he got the book, and just seeing his story in there, you know, 528 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.440 almost made me tear up. It was so exciting for this guy and 529 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.079 to know that, you know, his service was going to be remembered. 530 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.960 Him and his family was so happy about that. But it just really cool. 531 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.599 Uh, so many accounts that it's hard to ignore. You know, 532 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:17.320 it seems like such a bizarre idea that you know, these things were that 533 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.320 aggressive and kind of unafraid of our troops. But it's like report after report 534 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:27.559 of encounters with these things and them kind of shaking their fists at the soldiers 535 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.360 and you know, throwing things at them or even like charging them sometimes. 536 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.760 But they seem to be a little bit shorter, a little bit smaller than 537 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.199 a big foot. Did you hear you talk to you guys talking about my 538 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:43.679 My friend's dad was a ranger over there, you know, recount ranger doing 539 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.159 the rolls, and he said he never actually telled them, but his best 540 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.320 friend and from high school that went into the uh ranger of school with him, 541 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.239 was on a different platun that he said that some guys got blown up, 542 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.840 actually that they would grow grenades. They wouldn't know if they or rock 543 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.280 apes or like VC or whatever enemy troops they'd throw and they said that there's 544 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.079 rock ape ended up having to like fold the pins wait two seconds in through 545 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.519 it because the rock as should pick them up and throw them back. Yep, 546 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.079 yep, yep. I got a couple of reports exactly about that. 547 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.239 In fact, there was even certain units that were told like don't throw your 548 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.480 nades, like when you go through this area. Yeah, if these apes 549 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.320 were so aggressive, did people take shots at them and kill some of these 550 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.800 things? And if so, what happened to the bodies exactly? And that's 551 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.199 what I wonder too, because yes, there's a couple of reports of you 552 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.679 know, them finding dead ones, like in the morning, you know, 553 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.599 like something would trip the trip of flair. They think somebody's you know, 554 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.840 trying to probe the wire and light it up. Next day they go out 555 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.400 and find like a shot of you know ape that nobody kind of knows what 556 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.880 the hell it is. You know, where's the pitchers, right, like 557 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.199 where's some part evidence of that kind of stuff. A couple counts too, 558 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.800 of like booby traps that they had set up they kind of went off and 559 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.760 they'd find, you know, bodies of these rock apes have blown up. 560 00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.639 There was a special forces team they were kind of laid up waiting in ambush 561 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.400 and they heard like this mysterious kind of like choking and gurgling noise. They 562 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.440 kept hearing for like three days, like three nights, and it couldn't locate 563 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.760 what this thing was, and so that when they moved down on the fourth 564 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.079 day, they actually found this decomposing ape man what they called it, nearly 565 00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.840 blown like completely in half by what appeared to be a land mine. But 566 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.400 they said, you know, they've described it. Said it had shorter hair 567 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.639 in its head. I set back an inch and a half from a prominent 568 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.519 brown line, a flat nose, long arms, with large and lengthy fingers. 569 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:45.800 They said, one hand was still wrapped around the tree bench of his 570 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:50.639 clutching when it had died, and the teeth were like flat, well form 571 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.960 molders with long pointed canines. Yeah. So you know, are you guys 572 00:37:54.000 --> 00:38:00.280 aware of any recent sightings of new erungs? Me? So that's the other 573 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.840 thing, you know, like, what's happened then, what's happened in our 574 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:07.679 Vietnam expedition for finding Bigfoot? I don't remember if we had any recent witnesses, 575 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.559 you know, I think they were at least a couple of years old, 576 00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:13.679 or you know, even further than that in the past. And I 577 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:19.280 know that from my time out in the field, we didn't run across any 578 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.079 of those things or have any you know, noises back at us or anything 579 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.280 like that. But we did run across some people living out there. Apparently 580 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.039 there are I think, Rember, my memory serves. I think there are 581 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:36.039 thirteen different ethnic linguistic groups living in the jungles of Vietnam, away from society 582 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.280 and cities and all that sort of stuff. And I found a little humorous 583 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.880 actually because where I'm out there doing my big foot stuff, howling and hoopin 584 00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.320 and stuff, and I heard similar calls. But it turns out that's exactly 585 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:51.880 what the local people do who live in the woods, in these little villages. 586 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.719 They go woo does all locate each other. That's how they go about 587 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.360 their lives, locating each other. So none of my tricks, you know, 588 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.320 my bag of tricks was actually was completely useless. You know, out 589 00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.920 of the woods, you actually saw a couple you saw some of those forest 590 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:09.679 people. I did, I did, I did. They're were in like 591 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.599 a knockoff Adidas and stuff like that, right, I mean the Adida shirts 592 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.480 and things. But yeah, totally. I saw some of it at a 593 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:20.800 distance and they kept their distance too. We saw some of those giant bee 594 00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.679 hives at night that are found in the top parts of these huge caves and 595 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.199 whatnot that they have over there, and they were out doing that sort of 596 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.639 stuff. So in other parts of the world, I saw that you devoted 597 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.480 a small chapter or a small sub chapter, I guess, to the Solomon 598 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.719 Islands, which I thought was really interesting because I'm a fan of hominins and 599 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.079 unknown hominoids in general, all throughout Indonesia and Papua New Guinea and the whole 600 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.920 nine, everything from the Ring Pindeck in one corner all the way down to 601 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.800 Well. I knew about a couple of things on Papua New Guinea, but 602 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.079 I didn't know about the Solomon Islands, so that was fascinating. Now, 603 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.239 is there a military base out there or something, or were these things found? 604 00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.719 And what are they? This is from World War two and these are 605 00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:09.239 actually Japanese Army accounts Aguadalcanal, you know, one of the famous battles of 606 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:14.760 World War two that we fought, what nineteen forty two to forty three, 607 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:20.760 So again interesting. The local indigenous I'll try to pronounce it right. I 608 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.840 think it's the Luna Sudahuri tribe. They've always had stories that these things exist 609 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.440 and they call them the Mumu m you but they're sasquatch like huge creatures, 610 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:37.400 long black, brown reddish hair. The kids are always told stories, you 611 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.880 know, that they'll abduct you and they're cannibals, so they're kind of scary 612 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.559 to the locals. Now these things are like described as being true giants, 613 00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:52.119 like almost ridiculous, like ten to fifteen feet tall, red eyes, flat 614 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.360 noses. They kind of resemble. There's some similar creatures in Malaysian folklore known 615 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.800 as the Irang mahwas or irang that are said didn't have it like the jungle 616 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:07.880 jahor in Malaysia. So you know, there's even like some similar creatures on 617 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.119 other islands. But supposedly the Japanese when they infiltrated all the kind of Guadalcanal's 618 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.559 forest, they ran into these things. They said. There's even a report 619 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.639 of like a squad being attacked by one that had like a crew club. 620 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.639 They were reported to like snap thick trees and branches in half to display their 621 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.880 power. They'd scare the Japanese at night with these loud fulish you know, 622 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.760 like whaling, and so the Japanese kind of called them the Solomon giants. 623 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.039 That's what they kind of came to be known. As. And then another 624 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:43.199 really interesting one from the Japanese the Yuku Islands, which are part of the 625 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:47.280 Okinawa chain. A very short primate like commented that they found there that they 626 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:53.360 called the kiji muna ki j i m u n a. But these things 627 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.480 were described as being like the size of a three or four year old human, 628 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.559 to the point where one soldier action kind of went on the beach, 629 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.400 like saw it from behind and thought it was a child, and then when 630 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.960 it turned around, you know, he realized it wasn't. Then it took 631 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:13.159 off. And they claimed that these things would like, you know, look 632 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.960 for seafood at night on the beach, like you know, looking for crabs, 633 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.920 and in the morning they'd find like these piles of empty shells, and 634 00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.400 that was always like a sign of that there was a kijimuna nearby, you 635 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:28.639 know. They just like our guys in Vietnam. The Japanese soldiers saw these 636 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.320 things return home try to attract some scientific interests and going back and looking into 637 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.119 it, and you know, were laughed at, which I always find interesting, 638 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.880 right, like to be laughed at people who weren't there to tell you 639 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:45.320 what you experienced, you know, just talking cryptozoology in the Solomon Islands. 640 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.960 Like twenty seventeen, they found a new species. There were always legends about 641 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.079 this, like giant possum like rat that lived in trees and it could crack 642 00:42:55.119 --> 00:43:00.159 open coconuts with its teeth, and it was proven true. They found the 643 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.239 creature in twenty seventeen. It's a new species that they classified. Yeah, 644 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:08.920 so again, there's lots of new animals to discover out there. Stay tuned 645 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.920 for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after 646 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:25.559 these messages. Coming back to the United States a little bit. Do you 647 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.000 have anything here about sas I'm sure you have some ghost stuff in here. 648 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.840 We'll get to that probably in the bonus episode or whatever. But do you 649 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.880 have any Sasquatch stuff associated with Gettysburg because it's kind of a well known Bigfoot 650 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.920 spot. No, I don't. I wish I had come across that. 651 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.239 Yeah. I think back in the day Moneymaker ran an expedition in the area 652 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.000 or something, and I've heard heard quite a few stories from that general area, 653 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.159 So it's curious if you're going to have that in there. No. 654 00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.840 Now, I open the book with my own strange experience there Oh, what 655 00:43:54.920 --> 00:44:00.119 happened to you? Yeah, you know, nothing that exciting, But I 656 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:04.320 just relate a story that you know, And I've been there many many times 657 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.840 because my stepfather and my mom lived near Gettysburg, so I spent a lot 658 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:14.760 of time out there and never had anything happen. And then I was passing 659 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:20.960 through the area and the hotel I stayed out was near like Hanover, the 660 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.800 north side of Hanover Road. The East Calvary Field is what it's called, 661 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.039 and it's, you know, a more remote part of the battlefield that's kind 662 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.880 of even separated that a lot of people don't even know it's there to go 663 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.800 visit. And it's where the big Calvary battle went down between Custer and Jeb 664 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:39.440 Stewart. They're kind of two of my favorite generals. So I went out 665 00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:44.599 there one morning and got there right when the park was opening, and literally 666 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.840 was like the only person in the park. I was by myself in that 667 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.440 section, so, you know, just kind of moving through and I know 668 00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.320 that battle real well. And if you've been to Gettysburg, you know how 669 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:58.920 it looks exactly the same. You know, it's still it's not that hard 670 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.159 to have to imagine the battle because you can see the geography in front of 671 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.800 you. So I was kind of moving through and stopped at a place, 672 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:07.719 and you know, I was just really into it, thinking about what it 673 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.039 was like to fight there and what had happened. And I had been sitting 674 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.239 in my car for probably about five minutes, you know, the car was 675 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.239 off, I was in park level ground, had been there, just sitting, 676 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.000 and all of a sudden, you know, my whole car was like 677 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.239 pushed so much that you know, like I physically like moved in my seat 678 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.880 and I thought someone had literally like pulled in and tapped me, you know, 679 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:31.639 which I was like, what the hell, Like, no one else 680 00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:35.840 is even here? Why did you have to park that close to me? 681 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.360 And when I turned around, nobody, you know, nothing was there. 682 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:42.199 So I was like, okay, like because I know I felt it, 683 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.119 drove on down further, had a few more you know, got out of 684 00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.000 the car and did a few more things, and then the whole time I 685 00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.880 was taking photographs throughout the park, and the very last photograph I took, 686 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:58.159 you know, I never had a photograph like this happened to me. And 687 00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.599 it's hard to see in the book. I included the look, but like 688 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.960 you know, black and white, and the way it just printed you can't 689 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.840 really see, but there was a you know, there was a shape there, 690 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.320 and there's like a strange you know, like kind of energy line through 691 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.440 the camera through the photo, and my camera's never done that any other picture 692 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.239 before, so it's just interesting. You know, like that coupled with the 693 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.719 push, it just made me wonder, like, you know, was somebody 694 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.920 else out there with me that they well, they routinely do like ghost trips 695 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.960 or something to Gettysburg, don't they. Yeah, all the time. It's 696 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.840 it's considered to be a huge paranormal hotspot. That's just one of my personal 697 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.599 theories about battlefields, you know, when there's so much emotion expended. I'm 698 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.559 not necessarily someone who believes that hauntings are like an actual spirit, right, 699 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.079 I kind of tend more to the belief that it's like an energy imprint. 700 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.760 You know, when there's that much emotion expended, how much sudden death, 701 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.960 that much just turmoil you could see where you know, that much energy expended, 702 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.599 it could leave a physical impression on that geography forever. And that's kind 703 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.360 of my impression that when we see those things, it's more of like witnessing 704 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.000 a time loop or like a movie that's replaying, and sometimes for some reason 705 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.880 we can perceive that, you know, And so it just makes sense that 706 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:22.039 battle feels like Gettysburg or even in the book, like a place in Afghanistan 707 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.800 it's called O P Rock Observation Point Rock. That is one of the most 708 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.960 convincing, like haunteens I've ever come across, you know, when you have 709 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.639 numerous eyewitnesses saying the same things happen, that's what always makes me pause. 710 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.639 So I think we're probably going to get into the more paranormal weird stuff during 711 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.320 the bonus episodes here, but I'm kind of keeping an eye on the clock 712 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.519 right now, and I don't want to. I want to make sure that 713 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.320 we don't go too much over here. But think about some of the some 714 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.760 of these stories and some of the witnesses you've had face to faces with, 715 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.400 you know, and then the emotions that they've conveyed to you. So maybe 716 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.079 if you can share maybe one or two stories that really stuck with you, 717 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.519 you know, that really kind of moved you in some sort of way, 718 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.760 and share those with us as kind of a parting thought. I guess we 719 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:08.880 saw a little bit of time and not rushing out the door or anything. 720 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:12.360 Do's gonna be wrong? But really, I mean because writing a book like 721 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.920 this about the military and some of these battlefields and dealing with witnesses in general, 722 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.639 it can be imagine a pretty moving experience. What really stuck with you 723 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.840 from the writing process of this book as far as personal stories goes, I 724 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.480 think one of like kind of just kind of brought some fear in to me 725 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.440 because it's one of the theories I've thought about often is whenever, you know, 726 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:40.119 we think these things, they disappear right like they're even track ways where 727 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.119 people see it, and then like they look and it's gone. One of 728 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.960 my theories is they might you know, be up in trees as we know, 729 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.280 like we as humans rarely look up, you know, we rarely look 730 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:55.679 up. And I think sometimes that that's what's going on. So I remember 731 00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:01.360 a story is from ap Hill for a ap Hill in Virginia, and it 732 00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.760 was some marines. So they were dropped up by helicopter. They're out on 733 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:10.960 maneuvers. It was three marines pulling guard duty. It's kind of you know, 734 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.800 early morning, like O two hundred oh four hundred. But they said 735 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.559 the woods got real quiet, and he kind of looked up from his seated 736 00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:23.079 position on the ground. He saw this huge shape like standing in the tree 737 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.519 right above him, you know, and it like stood out real clear against 738 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.199 the sky. It was about thirty feet away, and he saw it kind 739 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.840 of holding onto the tree with this long arm and it's you know, he 740 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.880 could tell it was like seven to eight feet tall, but he couldn't see 741 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.760 where its feet ended, so he wasn't even sure how tall it was. 742 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.599 So he watched this thing like just frozen in terror as it kind of moved 743 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.159 real silently from that tree in front of him to the next one, like 744 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.280 just vanished from sight. So kind of the next morning he asked everybody else 745 00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.719 in the unit, just you know, not being specific, but like kind 746 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:00.840 of saying, any guys see something in the trees last night, you know, 747 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:05.920 And another one of the marines was like affirmative, I did, and 748 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.320 he kind of described the same thing he had seen, this manlike figure that 749 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.800 he watched quietly moving like around the trees around their position, you know. 750 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.000 So they all kind of confirmed they'd seen this bizarre thing and it insertable being 751 00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.480 canment just used in those old drove trees kind of as a quiet way to 752 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.679 get around. So that kind of just stuck with me because I think seeing 753 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.159 something like that, you know, it would have been pretty scary kind of 754 00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.360 look up and see this man standing in the tree above you. Yeah, 755 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.760 it's definitely a high creep factor. And it's also a reminiscent of the copra, 756 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.880 which is one of the local names in the Philippines for these giant sasquash 757 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.159 like things that they apparently they stand up or hang out up in trees and 758 00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:46.199 or you know, the mythology around them says that they smoke a cigar because 759 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.519 you can see the red embers burning, which it might be like their eye 760 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.360 reflection or something like that. Who knows what's actually going on. Yeah, 761 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:58.559 it's interesting how there are so many echoes, you know, of other traditions, 762 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.480 you know, from all throughout that general area and all stuff on military 763 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:07.199 basis down in the Philippines. Super interesting stuff. Well, you know what, 764 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.360 I think, I think it's time to bring this segment of our interview 765 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.960 to a close and everything we can. We can continue on in the members 766 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.000 section and get into the really weird stuff, which is always a lot of 767 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:22.639 fun, of course, but before we split, Where can people buy Haunted 768 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.599 War Tales, True Military Encounters with the Bizarre paranel when I'm explained by RC 769 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.639 Bramhall, for sure, I mean it's literally available everywhere. But honestly, 770 00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:35.320 I recommend that I really like people to go to their local independent bookstore and 771 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.639 ask for them to order it, and I feel like that helps the local 772 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:43.679 bookstore and then usually they'll also order another copy right to have on the shelf 773 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:45.719 once they see if somebody's interested in it. So honestly, that's the way 774 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.599 I like to suggest it. But you can follow me at RC Warrior Poet 775 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.840 on Instagram. You can find me on Facebook. RC bram Hall. But 776 00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.199 yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity. So I've been a fanny guy for 777 00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:02.960 here, some friends here with Loud Blackburn, one of your old buddies, 778 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.000 and he actually even helped me a little bit kind of looking over the book 779 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.519 when I was ready to publish. I appreciate him too, And would it 780 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.159 be possible for me to get like maybe a dozen copies that are autographed for 781 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.840 me to sell it at the museum. Definitely, we can work that out 782 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.760 and get them sent to you. I will talk to you about that off 783 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.400 air, but I would love to have some of this stuff. I think 784 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.360 it's a great book, so I look forward to reading the rest of it, 785 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.880 because just just leafing through it, this is a high quality book. 786 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.800 It's totally nonfiction, which I love. Firsthand witnesses directly from the witness's mouth. 787 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.280 In a lot of cases, this is a really cool book. Thank 788 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.519 you, Thank you, Klyn. Appreciate it so much. Thank you for 789 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:42.119 setting as sight some time from us. Really do appreciate that, of course. 790 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.119 Thanks those cool Yeah, all right, folks, she'll check out our's 791 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:50.239 book. Those kind of them to join us and do us some stories that 792 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.719 we're going to go to the Patreon if you wanted to join, that's five 793 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.199 dollars a month. 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