Greding soncalutations everyone. It's for twelve. I'm walking to Fantasy Baseball Live and
Happy New Year. It is the second of January, ten o'clock in the
morning. Tim, Happy new year. Happy new year to you as well,
Rich and looking at the news this morning. Very happy new year to
about four hundred people in Japan today. Unfortunately not everybody. Everybody on the
passenger plane survived. I don't know, did you see that accident? I
heard about it. I thought a few people got killed, though, didn't
they. I think there was four or five people that got killed, Yes,
on the Coastguard plane. There was another one. Yes. Plane was
coming into land low on fuel and hit a Coast Guard plane apparently took the
wing of the air bus, shared it right off and both of them sort
of exploded and UH and a ball of fire. But they got everybody off
the passenger plane. Unfortunately, five of the six on the Coast Guard plane
UH were killed. But that followed up from yes, from yesterday's earthquake.
So yeah, it's not been a happy new year for the for our friends
out in Japan. No, let's just hope that the tsunami situation UH doesn't
rear its ugly head for sure. For sure, I didn't have time to
catch up on the news because someone was busy writing up second base rankings and
then I had to put them all out on the on all of our sites.
So that's what I was doing this morning. Who could that ever be?
I don't know, close to deadline. Yeah, it's very well,
I got Look, it's all about process, so you just get you give
them in. I hit a couple of buttons. Everything gets twisted around and
pumped out so it looks it looks fine. I love the way that I'm
getting the information back from you. The spreadsheet. It encompasses everything. It
just means I don't have to have eight hundred and seventeen windows open and bounce
around all over the place. Perfect. Yeah, and we're putting them out
for our patron subscribers in that spreadsheet format, so if people like to have
that. Yeah, Yeah, they're all out there, all in a nice
little collection. The Tim McCleod Baseball rankings, whatever they're called. I forgot
what exactly what I called them, but yeah, So Tim, we've got
a we've got a great show planned. I think we're going to talk about
the big Chrissale tray, and a couple of other things. Second base preview,
and then if we get to it, the San Francisco prospects so good,
stuffyet lots lots lots to cover, lots to cover, lots of before
we start, Tim, what what is today's state? It is January second?
And what do I always do on January first? Rip down the old
calendars and put up the new ones? Uh? Do people do that anymore?
Rich? Rich? Rich? Come on, come on? Do you
really have a paper calendar up on your wall? Sitting right in front of
me on the wall is a paper calendar. Around the corner where my old
phone landline used to be, there's a paper calendar. And on the door
frame as we enter my abode there is another paper calendar. And I've got
a desk calendar. You've got yeah, three paper calendars. Four totally yeah.
Wow. Some say I may maybe a dinosaur. But do they have
I mean, are they the baseball related or they are they from the Nationwide
insurance guy? I mean, what are they? You know, what is
the bank I deal with? Okay, give the three calendars. You haven't
paid for any of these? Well, of course not. I know Hey,
I got to get something out of my bank for all the charges they
nailed me with during the year. That my revenge is a host filled with
banking calendars. Okay, wow. So as as a gift to you,
the next time I get a calendar paper, I'm gonna send you one from
from the US to me a United States. I think we get one from
our town here in Morristown. You can see all the happenings that you're missing
up in Fort Francis, that you're missing in Marstown, New Jersey. Well,
that's sweet, because all of my calendars are in metric, I'll have
one. I impurial, right, that's funny. That's why. No,
what I do every January first time is my draft. I do an NFBC
draft. Remember, oh oh that's right. Yeah, even our lists,
even our listeners, remember, because I've already gotten a couple of emails and
notes. Have you started your draft yet? And of course, my good
buddy Tim McCloud does he remember no, because he doesn't listen. He doesn't
listen people exactly. So what draft, selet did you pull? Number two?
Oh? Number two? That means you got the choice there, But
I probably Corbyn Carroll. Right, well, uh, so this is what
I did, Timmy. Now you're probably going, I know you're not gonna
like what I did, but this is what I did. Okay, So
Ronald count went one one and as as call when we were going through this,
uh and I when I did my draft targets out on the Patriots site
a couple of months ago, I said, if Bobby wit Junior was on
the board, I was going to take them. I took Bobby wit Junior.
I went number two, Bobby with Junior. And you know, I
looked at Corbyn Carroll, I looked at Julio Rodriguez, all of them,
there were everybody was everybody was there except for Ronald Acunya. And I looked
at the power and the speed, you know, the batting average it was
okay last season. I mean I've dove into Bobby wit Junior two waists a
Sunday. I mean there could be some pressure on the batting average. It's
not an only base percentage league. I probably would not have gone in that
direction an only base percentage league, but understandable. It's twenty five, twenty
five, ten, maybe more. Yeah, No, did the our discussions
with regards to the outfield and some of the potential challenges. Did you weigh
those into your decision? I did. I did. I'll tell you what
I did. But this is what's fascinating, and this is just one one
league. Can I read you the first round? Sure? Akunya, Bobby
Witt, Juli Rodriguez, Kyle Tucker moves up to number four. Have you
heard Corbyn Carroll's name yet? No, I was going to say, I'm
still waiting for Corbyn's name to be called. We're up to four down,
We're I pick number five. It is not Corbyn Carroll. Time Freddie Freeman,
followed by Mookie Betts, followed by Spencer Strider and then finally Corbyn Carroll
comes in at number eight. So this team eight Hoppy whoever the owner of
Hoppy is he must Yeah, he's he's the team owner. That's what he
puts. That sounds like that sounds like our friend Chris Chris from uh the
British Isles com Fruite is is He's he's a guy on our patriot side.
He picked number one. Rap Aster picked Ronald Cooney. I would have thought
he would have seen Wilson. It was December thirty first he had said,
I'll let Rich have ronald'acunyan note him, he did not. I didn't.
I wasn't aware that you started drinking Rich exactly right. But Corbyn Carroll,
I mean that guy must congratulations to team Hoppy. I mean he got a
I think he got a huge bargain there. And Freddy Freeman in the fifth
level, that's that's that's yeah, that that's a pretty aggressive pull for fred
Freeman. Well, when you look at first base, I know it's not
hey, you know, there's some challenges you got, you got a group
at the top, and then you got a lot of question marks. But
man Oatfield, I yeah, I would have probably went Corbyn Carroll with two
or three. Yeah. I mean I I can't blame I can't blame myself
for taking Bobby with Julio Rodriguez. I get that, Kyle Tucker, I
get that. But the Freddie Freeman and Spencer Strider, those were you know,
I those those were aggressive picks in my humble opinion, So Corby Carroll,
Fernando Tatis Junior, Juan Soda, which I think is a great pick.
I put him up right after all the other outfielders. Then Trey Turner,
Bryce Harper moves way up to number twelve, Jose Ramirez, Matt Olsen,
and Showey Otani Is. Did you hear the name Garrett Cole? Uh
No, But I'm still of the mindset that I will take Garrett Cole.
I had a Spencer Strider, so I'll take Spencer Strider ahead of Garrett Cole.
But I totally get the Garrett Cole, and I totally get Garrett Cole
in the first round, but he lasted all the way back to pick sixteen,
seventy eighty pick nineteen. Tim Yeah, starting pitching is that game is
changing and changing very quickly, isn't it as compared to what we've seen over
the past several years. So Garrett Cole went Spencer Strider, the only pitcher
taken in the first first round, Garrett Cole two four second round, fourth
pick, and then Zach Wheeler was the next pitcher, Kevin Goffsman, Lewis
Castill, Corbyn Burns. So Corbyn Burns dropped a little bit which I found
to be pretty interesting. So we got five pictures in the second round.
That's that's heavy. That's heavy. Yeah, what came back to you?
So I was pretty convinced I was going to get I was going to get
one of three outfielders. I was going to take an outfielder with my second
pick, Timmy, come hell or high water. Unless these three guys got
taken off the board, maybe four guys got taken off the board. There
was no way in hell I was gonna take on the Jones. So anyway,
So Michael Harris, Lewis Robert, Randy A. Rosarina, and o'doley's
Garcia were all sitting there. I'm sorry Lewis Robert went rout before my pick.
So Michael Harris, Randy A. Rosreina, and Doley's Garcia and I
studied the data two ways of Sunday, tim and to me, it would
have been Michael Harris or Randy A. Rosarina, and I took Mike and
I took Michael Harris. Good for you, Uh? I like that pick.
Yeah. I think a rose arena provides you with a safer floor.
But the upside potential out of Harris would lead me to one ahead in that
direction, just to see how much upside is there, because I think there's
a lot more in the tank than we've seen so far. I think a
Rosarina is a fine pick, but I think he is where he is and
when I would go with that upside potential, I looked at it. So
I've got a big spreadsheet for people in the picture in sight. They know
what I'm talking about. They have all the players in there, and that
rank them by different you know, swinging strikes in the zone, out of
the zone, all of this kind of hard hit rates, all that kind
of stuff. And they both are very, very similar. But I just
like the upside of Harris a little bit more. He's a little bit faster
than a Rose Arena and quite frankly, with the wander Franco not likely not
being there in the season and in the haze of that over overwhelming that was
a little bit of a push to Michael Harrison. Clearly Atlanta Braves going for
it. I took him there then, and I wanted Gunner Henderson Town,
and he was still on the board, and I'm like, I mean,
I gotta take I gotta have the outfield or I cannot risk going into it
without an outfielder. So I took Harris and then I came back and I
there was a lot of pictures on the board team. I did not want
to wait all the way back to pick fifty nine for my first picture makes
sense, and I was I was contemplating Pablo Lopez, is that at Galen,
George Kirby, Trek Scouble. I thought it was a too early for
Terrek Schouble. I loved George, I loved the other three. But when
I took a look at the date and people in the Patreon site, well
know this, Pablo Lopez was the guy. The date was far superior than
the other two guys. So there is And look, he had that shoulder
injury a couple of years ago. I think that's behind him. So yes,
I got with. I got Bobby Wit twenty five, twenty five,
Michael Harris twenty twenty, and I got a really good starting pitcher, so
I'm pretty psyched him. Yeah it's a good start. Yeah. I figured
for sure you'd be taking a picture because the last thing you wanted to do
is depend on others to choose your fate. And by leaving picture to your
four or five swing, yeah, you're putting your faith and trust in the
rest of the group, leaving you something. And the odds are pretty good
that with only five six starters off the board, you're gonna see starting pitching
going to the other eight nine teams, right, yep, yeah, So
you're gonna be left with You're gonna be left the spoils. And I think
it's a good thing that you took it, took the situation under control and
picked your faith. Now you can come back with power and whatever you want.
When you're next to you can go with another starting pitcher if you want.
Yeah, But just so everybody knows, I mean, we're mid middle
of the fourth round now, and the starting pitchers that are out, they're
still very good starting pitchers, but the top guy is from Rivaldez, Blake
Snell, Logan, Gilbert Logan Web. You're at that level now. And
I just felt like Pablo Lopez, George Kirby, we're at a little bit
higher, higher level. So that's why I went ahead. And I was
not going to get slickered into the Blake Snow No, I didn't want to
do that. So I and Framer Valdez. I like Framer Valdez, but
I just don't know, so it's uh So then I was looking at the
Logan's Gilbert or Web and I just did I wanted somebody more as my number
one starter. Yeah, I don't understand what's happening with Logan web that one.
I I I don't have that one figured out yet because I think he's
going I think he's falling too far. Okay, we're talking about a pitcher
that over the past two innings two years seasons. Yeah, past, yeah,
past two seasons. You know, in twenty two he threw one hundred
and ninety two innings. Last year to sixteen. Okay, the strikeouts one
sixty three, one four. Okay, he's won twenty six games the ERA
two ninety three, twenty five, WEB one sixteen one oh seven. I
just don't think Logan Webb is getting the love that he that he should be
getting based on that that work or horse mentality that he throws out there,
combined with the fact that he's keeping he's keeping the e r A in checks.
So, Hey, if Web came could find a way to come back
to you with your fourth pick, I know what I'd be doing. I'm
not I'm not I'm not taking them. I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna
tell you why. Okay, Yeah, he is getting hit extremely hard.
His average exit velocity off the bat is in the bottom ten percent. In
other words, he's given up a lot of hard hit rates you could say
are the top ten in terms of average X velocity. I mean his heart
hit rates. Uh, timmy, he is six in the league and giving
up hard hit balls. And you take a look he is. He is
no longer thrown the four seamer. It is all change up sinker and his
whiff rates on his his change up is twenty two eight, which is good,
not great. His slider's twenty eight to six, which is solid,
and his sinker's ten point four. So he is just not missing a lot
of bats. So I don't know. His era is three twenty five,
is expected eras three sixty three. It's a very good picture. I think
there's some warning signs there, So I'm going to buy I'm going to bypass
him. Yeah, I also have a little bit of a bias with web
and that he won was largely responsible for winning a league for me last year,
So yeah, there is a bias there. But yeah, we're looking
at a guy that, in all probability is going to pitch close to two
hundred innings. And once you get once you get through the next group of
pitchers. This next sort of a little mini tier that falls off quick.
And I don't blame you for passing on Trek's Schooble. Hey, I love
what he did in the second half, but there is no sustained history of
one hundred and sixty hundred seventy plus innings worth of workload out of Schooble,
and that there's there's my concern lines to me, Timmy, I don't know
about you. It's in the first five rounds where you draft. It pretty
much dictates the type that the the players that will be there. I mean,
I love Wan So, I think there's huge value for Wan Soda.
But if I'm picking two, I'm not taking Wan So. I mean just
not so it doesn't diminish my love for Wan Soda, particularly this year.
I just think there's better options there. I love Tarik's Schooble, I'm not
taking him. And with pick number thirty two or whatever, I took him
out. I don't so it's but if I was picking at the end,
uh, you know, on the wheel, and I he was my fourth
pick, yeah, I would jump on Eric Schuble. So it really depends
on where you're picking the slot that you're picking early in drafts. I hope
ya was there for you. He has gone, he is gone? I
I I, oh, yeah, I should talk were he? I actually
smiled and he went off the board. I'm like, sucker. He went
off on car Chars fourth round, second pick, fourth round, second pick.
Okay, so our buddy Hoppy again. If that's the guy that you
know, Corbyn Carroll, Zach Wheeler, bobashet that's a strong one two three,
very strong? Where did Lad go? Vlad Guarrira of Vlad Guerrera of
Vlad Carira? Lad? Where's Flad Carrera Flat Gerra Sol on the board and
you're getting into the middle part of the fourth round. I don't see him
Inerson. Yeah, oh there he is. I'm sorry. Middle middle of
the third inning, middle thirdy, middle of the third round. Pick Yeah
yeah, sorry, middle of the third round. Bobachette first, Flad Flat
Guerra second. So okay, yeah, yeah, okay, now that's cool.
I apologize. I apologies, Lad Career. Then Boba shet So went
one slot ahead up. So that's that's what I did on New Yursday.
Tim, Yeah, keep us updated. I'm curious to see how it shakes
down with your next set of picks if you want, if you want to
join us at the Patren sight. So my draft targets, those are the
guys I'm going after. So uh, I'm probably going to get a closer
to him on this next you know, in the next four or five picks,
once they're made. I'm I've decided with you that I want a solid
closer. I'm not playing the uh, you know, betting on Alex Lang
or are the guys around Alex Lang. I'll have him as my second guy,
but I'm not gonna I'm not going to focus on one of those guys.
In the NFC, you closers go early. So well, yeah,
the bottom line there is there there's no trays, there's no pickups. That's
if you don't have yourself a solid closer, you're basically taking a chance.
I'm blowing off and playing five by four. That's not that's not a recipe.
I don't believe for success more times than not. So yeah, you
gotta get yourself a closer in the drafting hold. I mean, let let's
take a break, come back and talk about the Chris Sale trade. Sounds
good. I don't know if it was nears for New Year's Day. But
some day in the last couple of days, there was a big trade,
Timmy. The Braves acquired Chris Sale from the Red Sox for Vaughn Grissom,
And uh, I gotta tell you, and we'll talk about your opinion on
it. I'll just say I love the trade for both sides. I mean
Chris Sale is not the same guy. I mean he's older, he's more
brittle now, and Vaughan Grissom was not going to get a chance in Atlanta.
I think it's a win win for everybody. That Braves are going for
it. Red Sox are getting out from under Chris Sound his big contract they
probably should have never done, and Von Gerson gets a shot. Yeah,
I agree with you. It's you know, when you look at the Braves,
Okay, you know Spencer Strider, Max Fred two really nice pictures at
the top. But then you got forty year old Charlie Morton, okay,
nearing the end of his career, who knows what to expect. And you
know Bryce Elder, Chris Spring Chicken each So no he's not. But if
the Braves, the Braves needed another starting pitcher and short of going out into
the free free agent market and spending at least one hundred million, because I
think that's that's in an Auga range. Okay, and possibly a bit more
from Montgomery or Snell. Unless you're willing to commit to a long term contract.
The only way you're going to get a starting picture is too is through
the trade. Via the trade situation. So yeah, I think the Braves
did well. They traded a way to them an extra, an extra body,
a very young with very very high upside potential, I believe. But
they also got themselves a pitcher that they need and they're in it to win
it, so it makes sense. And Boston on the other end, yeah,
hey, I think they're happy to get a young player with the upside
potential of Von Grissom for Chris Sale who you know, Hey, hey,
the number numbers are there, one hundred and forty seven innings in twenty nineteen
forty two innings, five point two innings, one hundred and two innings.
Yeah, it was. It was an improvement last last year, so I
mean we did need to give him credit there. I mean, hopefully he
has passed a you know what was ever ailing on them and you know,
look it was expected ere three seventy one. He didn't pitch all that poorly,
but I think to expect two hundred innings at him is probably not not
good and I it's probably not the right position. And you have to believe,
like with Kershaw, once he comes back in these older guys sures or
when he comes back, they're not gonna pitch him a ton during the regular
season. Ten They're gonna wait to make sure he's ready for the for the
postseason, don't you think, Well, yeah, I'd be shocked if Sale
gets much more than one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty innings. Yeah,
yeah, they want him for the postseason. Charlie Morton the same thing,
one hundred and thirty hundred and forty innings. They want, you know,
to have access to him in the playoffs. The only pitcher on the Braves
roster that I think will come close to the two hundred inning mark might be
Striker. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, yeah, they're gonna be
very careful what they do with their pitching. And hey, it makes total
sense because there isn't a whole lot of it out there and the price to
acquire it, Hey, supply demand it's not gonna be cheap. If you
want yourself even a mid level starter, you're gonna pay for it. And
they've, at least for now, it looks like they've addressed that concern.
So hey, good for both parties. I like it. You couldn't be
sitting there with, you know, a fourty year old Charlie Morton starting hopefully
making it to the postseason starting Game three, and if he doesn't, you're
looking at Bryce Elder. That was that was not that was an untenable situation
for the team. That good in my opinion, And I think this just
it shows up the regular season. Yeah, I think Bryce Elder and A.
J. Smith Shover, maybe even Hirston Waldrip, they're all going to
get a shot. But they're not at the level of Chris Sale. No,
they're not. They don't have the experience. I can't. I don't
have the pure raw stuff of Chris Sale. I mean it's still pretty good
stuff. Yeah, oh no, I yeah. Hey, if I could
get a three seventy five three year a out of Chris Sale on one hundred
and fifty innings, I think that would be considered a success. Yep.
Now he is going so yeah, he's going to be thirty five. Let's
do I have he's a seventieth pitcher off the board. Let's call it the
fiftieth starter. What do you think is that? Is that interest to you
at all? Or is that a pass? I would depend on how my
pitching looks at that at that stage of the game. Probably a pass,
because I'm gonna think I'm gonna have three good starters and I'll roll the dice.
There's some starters going way later than I think they should be. Okay,
I think I would focus on them, and probably in and about that
pick range, i'd probably look at a bat. But you know you're at
fiftieth starter off the board. Yeah, seventy. Yeah, he's going.
It's not a bad price to pay for Chris Sale. I just don't think
it'll be in the cards for me personally. Chris Sale at seventy or Bryce
Miller at seventy one Miller, Chris Sale or Brian wu at seventy two?
Sale? Really yeah, I'll go with sail there. Wow, Okay,
Chris Sale or at seventy three Braxton Garrett Sale? Uh, Nick Pavetta,
Oh Sale, Hunter Brown, you got to countor Brown? Hunter Brown?
Eddie Rodriguez, Chris Sale, I'll go with I'll go with the Rudd last
guy, Shane bows At seventy seven Sale, Okay, okay, So I
mean you got Edward Cabrera and this is a whole bunch of pictures after that
that I find really intriguing. So you know, that might be the time
where I'm going to approach bats and dry and shore up some positional players and
try and cherry picked my way through some starting pitching a little bit later.
Yeah, everybody, don't don't sleep on Brian Woo. That's that's from Rich
Wilson. I could be wrong. Tim's the better Tim's a better player than
me, but don't sleep on Brian Wo. Okay, I thought about that
one. Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's reasonable, Yeah, it's yeah.
They're both in a good spot. So I you gotta feel good for
for Vaughan Grissom. I mean, this is a kid that came up played
okay Timmy, and then lost his job and there was no shot at at
him playing in Atlanta unless he one or two guys got hurt. So he
gets moved his current ADPs five thirty nine. I think that's going to go
up. I would think, so what re realm do you do? You
grab him in? Well, you're going to be grabbing him as a short
stop. Short stop that I don't think you have to I don't think you
have to move early. Second base is deep. You can. Hey,
I'm looking at von Grissom in the after round sixteen seventeen. When I look
at the second base options, we're going to get into that in a bid
second base. There's a lot of talent there. So let's let's look.
I had the middle talent. I had the middle endfielders up, because that's
probably he's probably gonna be more of a middle endfielder. Correct. Oh,
yeah, he's that's definitely what you're looking. Okay, here we go Von
Grissom at fifty eight or Luis Garcia, who, by the way, Tommy
put Garcia Luis and uh and the notes which I thought was funny. Anyway,
Garcia, my most was acting up. Copy and paste was not not
happening. Well, Rich, I fixed it for you. Fix anyway,
Von Gris Garcia, Grissom, Uh, Von Grissom at fifty eight, Ezekiel
Duran at fifty six. I'll go with Grissom. Taylor at fifty five,
Chris Taylor at fifty five, Vaughan Grissom, Yeah, Grissom. Or here's
an interesting one, Orlando Arcia at fifty four or Vaughan Grissom at fifty eight
Arsia? Really and what why is that? I like what I've seen from
Arcia. I think steady performer. He's got a solid history, something that
that Grissom doesn't. And you know, I'm just pulling up Arcia's stats right
now, and you know, seventeen home runs last year sixty five RBIs to
sixty four average. I ain't hurting you. And he's playing on a team
that's going to provide him plenty of RBI opportunities Atlanta, even if he's hitting
at the bottom of the lineup. So yeah, I'm yeah. Would you
say if von Grissom hit seventeen home runs this year, driven, drove in
sixty five, and scored sixty six, would you call it a success?
I would think you probably probably would were the two sixty four average. I
just think Arci is going to produce better than him this year long term,
so just everybody who knows. I looked at the data and it basically shows
that Grissom is a line drive hit or there's not a lot of launch in
his angle so launching his swing. So just know that unless that changes,
he's going to be more of a doubles guy. So I think Tim is
right, like twelve to fifteen home runs. Would you say sixteen home runs?
That? Yeah, that feels about right. That might even be a
little rich, you know, from what we're looking at with the data.
And he has got good speed, but he is not a spurner. He's
only at the fifty ninth percentile again below exit exit rates. He makes really
good contact and he swings at everything all right, has very low walk rate.
Guy, Yeah, you're looking at I think if you get ten home
runs, fifteen to eighteen stolen bases are the grissom. I think that would
be in the right area. Yeah, I agree with you. So I
actually think he's he'll go up a little bit. But I'm thinking he's about
in the area that you want him in. Well. Yeah, and when
you start looking, you know, you're looking at mainly shortstops there, but
when you start looking at you know, second, I was just gone by
middle endfielder. Yes, yeah, yeah, I don't know where players like
you know, Perdomo a personal favorite. Okay, Doomo Taylor, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on to Perdomo. I saw in
your your rankings how much you like Predomant Walls. Perdomo is sixty four,
Vaughan Grissom fifty eight, So you would take Doma, I'll probably take Prudoma.
Who was the other Taylor Walls Taylor seventy five. Yeah, Zake McKinstry
or sorry, Zach McKinstry. McKinstry is at sixty eight, just behind Vaughan
Grissom. Yeah, you know that these are all players that I think have
I've shown some proven skills and have jobs, and I have a hard time
taking Grissom. Yeah, unless it's for a reserve round pick. There's there's
a pile of options there you don't have to reach on Vaughan Grissom. Definitely
not agreed. A couple other quick little signings. The Red sign Frankie Montas
one year, sixty million dollars. Of course, no such thing as a
bad one year contract, but the one years are becoming pretty expensive. Timmy,
he did miss most of last season, what can we expect from him
this coming year? Having a clue hopefully help. I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know either, but you know what, I think it's a
good move for the Reds. Okay, they're not going to go out there
and compete. They're not going to go out and spend a bundle on a
free agent. So again, they're doing the same thing as the Braves are.
And hey, the Reds have got a team that can win that division.
They needed another starting pitcher. They paid sixteen million in the hopes that
Frankie Montes can stay healthy and be at least an average picture and fill out
that rotation. So again, yeah, you're right, those one year deals
are expensive, but they're not committing five years to Blake Snell is expensive or
eight years or whatever it is, you know, whatever he settles for.
So again, the Reds took and made the best of the circumstances that they're
working, the parameters that they're working within. So I got no complaints with
them doing that. So if you've got one of our listeners to me,
who's got a really athletic ten year old, twelve year old that can do
everything and loves baseball, make them a pitcher man, that's where the money
is. I mean, look, look at Red Sox signed Lucas Giolito,
tim who has been terrible for the last few years. Two years, thirty
eight million dollars. Yeah, well he's got an opto the first year too.
Yeah, so if he pitches well, then he gets to go make
more. I mean yeah, even like bad pictures, are guys who have
barely played or getting thrown huge money and it's it is absolutely insane. Did
I mention the six or I didn't see the six or seven of the top
twenty last year aren't going to be on the field this year. Yeah.
Pitching's tough. You need it to win, and they're just simply is not
enough of that commodity's sitting out there and as a result, hey, pitchers
are getting paid well, why versus demand Lake Snell and Jordan Montgomery and even
your buddy a Monaga. If I'm saying the name, I mean they're they're
gonna get paid a lot of money. They're gonna get paid insanes I mean,
Blake Snell's a bar Is client too, so you know he's gonna get
paid way well. Yeah, you know, you take a look last year
the Mets got Corde Sengo right for five years of seventy five. I'm willing
to bet that m and Auga is going to get twenty to twenty five million
more on a same five year deal than who's the better who's the better picture?
In your opinion, they're very close. Oh wow, but Senga's done
it okay, so that gives him the edge, solidly the edge. Yeah,
just a small under the radar trade. Uh. The Yankees acquired Cody
Marris and the Guardians for Estevan Floriel. I wrote up something on the Patreon
site to me any thoughts on that trade. Ah, yeah, it's I
like, what the Yankees did they need another bullpen arm? They went out,
they got one for something that they didn't really need. So yeah,
it works. The Guardians have got another bat they can play around with in
the hopes that there's a part of gold at the end of the rain rainbow
or a pot of something at the end of the rainbow. So yeah,
it addresses a need for the Yankees. So it's not It's not a bad
deal at all. I thought. I thought it was a little sneaky drive
deal for both of them. I totally what you just said. I if
you look at Estevan Floria. I don't think I'll ever hit enough, but
man, it's almost there. I mean, that guy could be really good
with a couple of little tweaks, somebody maybe in a new organization that tells
him something just a little bit different, maybe unlock something probably won't. And
Cody Morris is the same thing. He's almost there so well, and then
there's needs involved, right and yeah, yeah, like I said, it's
a it's a good deal for both parties. And hey, short of the
Yankees spending a bundle on Josh Hader, you know hit, they need the
middle. They needed a bullpen arm badly, and hopefully Morris can get that
done for him. Did do you think that's where Josh Hader winds up as
with the Yankees? No, I, if I had to bet, I
still like Texas. I think that's who I picked. But again, when
you look at what the Dodgers have done so far this offseason, I wouldn't
I wouldn't rule the Dodgers under that mix at all. Yeah, a bullpen
with you know, Phillips and gregorol and Hat, that'd be a pretty good
bullpen, wouldn't they Yeah? Pretty good? Pretty good to me. I
take a break back and talk. Second Base sounds good looking forward to it.
I mean, we were heading back to North Carolina this week. We
were playing back Friday, but it looks like the storms are rolling in.
There's a big, big storm coming up the east coast. We're gonna leave
a date early to get back before the snow and heavy rains set in.
Smart move. It's a heavy traffic corridor. You might as well get on
the road and off the road if you know it's you know, if you
know that storms are brewing, Yeah, get on and get off as quick
as you can and try and beat it out. Rich, Yep, that's
what that's what we're up to, Tim. So I I love your second
Base. I first of all, I love how this stuff's being presented to
our listeners and to our readers. I think it's really good. Tim splitting
a little intro in front of each of the thing, each of his write
ups. It's really good stuff. And you can see all that on Prospect
through sixty one and out on the Patreon site. But tell me how you
are approaching second base in a draft sitting in my chair looking at my monitor,
Rich, you know where's where? Okay? Shrimshot is duly noted.
Okay, I thought it'd be a zero zero, but no, that was
very close to So I think I saw a bad dad joke on Facebook or
Twitter, and one of those. Probably Facebook is a little bit kinder than
Twitter is. It's the guy said that he's been a good boy so far
this year. That was that was after one day, So that funny.
Well, hey, every streak starts with one, right, Yeah, yeah,
no, I when I look at second base, hey, there are
some there are some elite options at the top of the pile and Bets Semian
and Azzi Alby's, and there's no doubting they are all leite level players.
First two rounds off the board, guaranteed. But then as you as you
get down a little bit further and you start looking at yeah, well I'll
start with Matt McClean, okay, very quickly. But when you get into
the the middle, middle, upper tier, yeah, you got a host.
I don't think I've ever seen a position with as many players that could
be fifteen, twenty five, fifteen thirty, you know, twenty twenty you
got Matt McClain, power Speed, Hassan Kim Power, speed, Nico Horner.
He had ten home runs last year. Then you get in, but
you wouldn't call that power speed. You call that speed with a little bit
of power, right, yeah, Horner, Yes, But then you get
into Andrea Zemenez. There's fifteen twenty five in the bank, Bryson Statt fifteen
twenty five, Geloff could be twenty twenty, Astrada another fifteen twenty five,
Tommy Edmund thirteen fourteen thirty. Second base is deep in options, and some
very very good options. You've even got your spectacs further on. So for
me, I I've already done one draft. I've seen what happens when you
go late on outfield. I'm going to I'm going to be looking at an
outfielder probably where semi and Alb's is gonna go off the board, and I'll
play for that middle tier and be very happy to get one or two fifteen
twenty five type players later on I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the
mid pack for the most part and try and make Ay make Hay there and
Phil fill in my outfield where the elite players are. So again, I
can't fault anybody for taking you know, any of the top three and Mookie
Bets is outfield eligible. Okay, so you know, hey, I've got
him on the second base rankings, you'll be on the outfield rankings if I
If I'm drafting Mookie Bets, odds are pretty good that he's gonna be utilized
in the outfield slot. So midpack for me, Rich and I think I'm
gonna make try and make my hay there. That's interesting. So so because
conventional wisdom at least five years ago would have said Mookie Bets definitely is playing
second base. For Yeah, that's changed. It has change. The game
has changed, and it's changed very very quickly. And now we've got you
got a host of options at second base. You get power, you got
speed, you got speed power. Why would you commit to Mookie Betts at
second base when out field short? Yeah? And as you as you kind
of listed everybody off as being similar players, If they were similar players,
you might as well get the guy that's last, or maybe a guy who
is second the last, who's got the upside. That's how you want to
play, you know, if you're playing those that tier game right, and
you know, you take a look at a player like hass On Kim Okay,
He's going at basically the eighty first, eighty first player off the board,
right, Bryson Stott's going on one oh five. How much of a
difference is there between those two players? Is there twenty five picks worth of
difference? Yeah, Zach Gelloff is going fifty five picks later than hass On
Kim. Yeah, the pick strata relatively safe, boring pick right, he's
going at one forty three. So you got this. You've got a host
of options there, you know, Hey, I like hass On Kim.
I like him a lot. The multi position eligibility for me, that counts
okay, And that's one of the reasons I boosted him up a little bit,
a little bit higher. But you just got You've got so many options
and so many choices at second base, in the middle, infield. Why
would you why pay? I get Marcus Semians a great player, as is
Aussie Albi's. But is is there one hundred picks worth of difference between those
players? Yeah? I don't think so. The only concern I have with
has On Kim is looking I've got his data called up. I he's definitely
fast and he's a great hitter. I mean hardly chases it all really strikes
out all that walks a ton, Yet he doesn't have a ton of power.
I mean heart hit rates three percent, exit average exulasi is seven percent,
so his expected slug is in the upper three hundred. So that I'm
not sure where the seventeen home runs came from, but it could be more
like the eleven home runs. But at the speed is that clearly there,
So it could it could be more of a ten to fifteen home run guy,
twenty five plus stolen base guy who can hit. So that might be
the player that you're looking at as opposed to big power and speed that that
last year might have showed. Well. Yeah, and the fact that he's
eligible at third base and shortstop in addition to second base, Yeah that helps.
Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna play. He's on a he's on a
real team friendly contract. And you know, I wouldn't be at all surprised
if Hassan Kim has moved at some point in time, because I believe he's
got an opto it at the end of this year. And I think it's
like seven million bucks on the Yeah it is seven million. Yeah, it's
five four year, seven seven million apiece something like that. Yeah, it's
a very good contract. So it'll be interesting to see what the Padres do
with Kim. Yeah, I would think you get here's top five according to
ten and it's somewhat chalk with where their ADPs are currently set in Mookie Betts,
Marcus simeon Ozzi, Alvi's Jose Altuve, Matt McClain. Look, I
love Jose alto Timmy, you know that, but with the options that are
at second base, man, I find it a real struggle to take To
take Jose Altuv in the top three four rounds, I agree, I agree
totally. But at the same point in time, watch him very carefully because
once you get into fifties sixties, it moves down a little bit. Oh
yeah, if he if he falls okay, and there's there's good reason that
he could fall okay, then he could become a bargain, a potential bar
Yeah. He did not fall in the draft I'm in he was taking the
third round, third pick, so what is that thirty five? Yeah,
so he went thirty three. Yeah, so he went pretty early. Yeah,
I wouldn't touch him in that range. Yeah, I just think I
mean dropped down one hundred picks. Yeah, this is a guy that's got
jose L t V statue out my front law and so it's not a huge
Josey al A fan. Matt McClean, do you think it's it's it's a
growth season for him this year? Does he take a step back? What
are you thinking? I think Matt McLean could be could move up one spot.
How is that? Is he going to touch the number? You're looking
at a growth spot? The problem problem is, yeah, he could pass
Hosel TV. There's that sort of potential, But is he going to be
this year up there with Bets and Semi and and Albi's probably not right.
So you're looking at a situation where Matt McClean is fairly locked in, I
would think, and that's through no fault of his jay the elite level of
second base. They're elite for a reason, right, And it's a big
step up into the Alby, Semi and Betts grouping. As far as I'm
concerned, Matt McLean's a fine player. There's only one thing that's missing on
his resume, and that's only because he's a young player, just came into
the league last year. As I said, the resume might be short,
but the skills or anything. But I like Matt McLean a lot, So
I was I like Matt McClain was in the minor leagues. I saw him
of the Fall League in twenty twenty two. It was okay for me.
Look, it was just okay. He's fast, there's no question. I
mean, it's nineteenth percentile. But there's still a lot of swing and miss
in this game. So, I mean, that's the one thing that it
didn't have a bab at a three eighty five. So, I mean,
so there is some concern about how much you'll hit, but it looks like
really good eggs of velocity. Hard hit rates are solid. He's fast,
so the only thing I don't think the two ninety average sticks, but it
could be more of a two fifty guy with twenty twenty. I mean,
that's that would be my only caution. Just be careful when you when you
people type in how much what his batting average is going to be. But
yeah, he's a fine player after that. Yeah, and I share your
thoughts. As far as the Arizona Fall League. I wasn't overly impressed either.
Yeah, maybe he was tired a long year whatever, but you didn't
play all that well in that season. Something clicked for him last year.
Now we could say last year. That's twenty twenty three, So something clicked
for him last season. And I mean good on him. I mean first
round draft pick, and it looks like he's going to be I have a
really good major league career. So yeah, and again he's shortstop eligible.
That doesn't hurt at all. Absolutely, Six through ten, you've got Nico
Horner, Glaber, Torres, Andres Zeminez, and Kutel Marte, Hassinken,
Nico Horner, Glabra, Torus, Andres, Zeminez and Marte. Out of
those five, give me a guy that you feel like has got some upside
and a guy that you feel like might You wouldn't be surprised if he goes
the other direction down. Nico Horner really impressed me. Again, he's a
top ten stolen base threat, and I think there could be a bit more
there. It wouldn't shock me at all of Nico Horner stole fifty bases,
maybe hit twelve, twelve to fifteen home runs. He had ten home runs
last year. Okay, it wouldn't surprise me if he got up to twelve,
fifteen and close to fifty. That moves him up the charts a little
bit. So Eco Horner And when I look at the players on this list,
he never he never strikes out. Yeah, yeah, it's when you
know your Horner. You could be looking at a hundred runs scored. In
addition to that, the rest of the players like Taurus rather say for other
boring rather steady. I think him and as the same thing. You know,
another one of those mid teen power bats, twenty five to thirty stolen
bases, Katel Marte. He would be the one player that I wouldn't be
shocked if he fell, but I don't think he's going to. I think
he the one stat that really impressed me last year's he did something different.
He started taking walks and he elevated them to a career high of seventy one
last year. Tossing the power, the home run RBIs on an improving Yeah.
How much of a difference is Corbett Carroll really made to that diamondback offense.
I think it's huge and I think k Marte is part of part of
that. Corbyn Carrol, I don't know what you called syndrome or there,
you know what I mean, hey, guys, syndrome that's uses like the
China syndrome negative. But whatever works for you exactly. That's very funny.
I do think that a player of Corbyn Carroll's skill set can elevate a team
because he gets on base and the pitcher and catcher have got to be distracted.
Tommy. I mean, it's like you got this guy that that can
steal a steal, second, steal third somewhat at will, and it just
is going to make it easier for the guys that are following after him to
get better pitches. Right, They're gonna be more fastballs because you throw a
curveball. It just gives him an extra split second ticket to second base.
Well, Marty benefit from that, yes, as I think Walker did is
well, so you know, and now you've got you Junior Suarez, who's
always been able to hit for big home run numbers in that par getting behind
all three. So yeah, I again, I'd be surprised if he does
fall. But again, Marte did produce his second best season as a prob.
Yeah, but he's had some stinker seasons too. I mean, he
gets these really good seasons and then the next then he doesn't live up to
what head. But I've looked at his data. That data actually looks pretty
good. So I mean, let's take a break it back and do the
next five. We've got to get over to. I got all kinds of
windows open here. Here we go back here. In the off season,
Lorie and I watch a lot of television. We watch a lot of television
just we think television has gotten to a level that's just unparalleled in our history.
It's so so many good TV shows out there with all the new networks
broadcasting. So we just finished up Ted Lasso. I don't know if you've
heard of that. Have you heard of It's on Apple TV. It's about
the coach and he's a guy that knew nothing about soccer and moved to the
England and became a soccer player. It's a comedy. It's very very good.
So we just finished that and we had friends of him for the week
and didn't watch any TV. So last night decided do we start a new
TV series or do we watch something else? So we decided to watch something
else, Tim and you know what it was. I haven't a clue.
We became. We decided let's watch the Barbie movie. Have you heard of
the Barbie movie? TV? Tim, I'm on Twitter? How could you
get movie? Have you seen it? No? I haven't, No,
Tim. It was brutal. I hated it, and I know that.
I don't know. Maybe that makes me shallow because everybody was saying, how
great of it is? Great a movie it is. It's it's very it
has a great feminist kind of twinge to it. But I've seen like Lessons
in Chemistry is much better thematic that that supports women's rights and so forth.
But the Barbie thing was just annoying, Timmy. It was terrible. Yeah.
I hey, eventually, at some point in time, okay, I
will, I will get around to watching it. But it's not on my
wait till you see it, Timmy. It's it's inane. It's an and
they shove the messaging, the themes down your throat. I mean it's like,
Okay, I got it, I got it. I got it.
Men are awful. I got it. I got it. But it was
it just Yeah, they take Ryan Goss and look plain old, creepy and
a good looking guy, and they made him like bleach blonde and ah enough
already I hated it. Absolutely hated it. Here's a recommendation for you.
Okay, what's that give? Give this a spy h Midsummer Murders, Midsummer
Murders, Tim's Watson a TV show. Yes, it's just made in the
in the seventies eighties as well. Actually this this, it's it's it's like
a series. They run about six shows a year. Okay, the running
time on them is an hour and a half to about an hour. And
Midsummer Murders Midsummer Mysteries. It's an English show that commenced in March of nineteen
ninety seven and is still running. Oh, by by Agatha Christie. They're
books by Agatha Christie. It says it might be might be based based on
that, but uh, excellent show. Oh, Midsummer Murders, Midsummer Summer.
Yeah, Midsummer Murders. Because Midsummer Mysteries is an Agatha Christie. Yeah,
Oh, I see it's it's I've seen the woman who stars on it
before. She's uh, she looks familiar to me. Actually, the as
you go through, we're in year sixteen right now, and there are numerous
cast changes throughout. But it's an extremely well written Oh I'm glad you told
me about that. I love how they spell summer s O M E R.
So it's midsummer is the community? Oh yeah, I suppose I thought
it was midsummer as an s U M M E R. Right. So,
but that's like that. Let's see where where can I've watched that streaming?
Uh? Where do we watch Midsummer Murders? Jody? Oh, it's
Amazon Prime? Yeah, Amazon Prime? Yeah, there we go, there
we go, all right, don like dinner, Tim, Yeah, it's
not. It's not nineteen it's twenty four seasons. Good lord, Tim,
That'll take me some years to get through. It's well done, very okay,
I'm excited. I'm excited about it. It's not a blood and gore,
is it. No, there is some but yeah, there's even even
a little bit of nudity. They warn you that there's tobacco and alcohol.
It's yeah, it's a little risk. It's it's not it's not restricted.
No, definitely not because I couldn't make it. I'm one of the few
people that probably listened to our podcast who could not make it through Game of
Thrones. It just didn't me and to them, I mean, it was
just enough already. I mean it was I mean I didn't think I was
approved. Maybe I am. I saw more naked women and more people killed
in ten episodes, and I have in an entire watching in my history of
watching television. It was amazing. Yeah. No, this this series has
a tendency. It'll keep you there till the last five to ten minutes of
the show because it takes that law to be able to determine what has actually
occurred in the first ninety minutes. Okay, as to who is who is
guilty and the reasons behind it, and it's it's well, it's a it's
a who. It's a who done it? Who does who? It's a
who done it? Yeah, all right, well, well, well well
we will give it a shot, Timmy, and yeah, I'm sure you
enjoy it. Let's let's move on back to second base. Jean ciscl uh,
who's the other guy that Roger Rogert Roger? Yeah, maybe that's what
ha our next uh, our next lives. We'll do a Ciskel and Ebert
kind of take off there. Anyway to me, I got number eleven,
got brysons dot down to from where he's going in the NFC. Zach Goeloff
Chalk and thyrou Estrada, Nolan Gorman you like to better. And then Tommy
Edmand tell me about Nolan Gorman. What are you expecting from him this season?
I'm expecting a lot of home runs. No stolen bases though, No,
No, the speed game isn't there. But the kid's got a lot
of power, raw power. Oh yeah, he's young, and when you
at second base, he's sort of an anomaly, isn't he. Yeah,
because it's kind of back Dan. It's like Dan against Yeah, there we
there we go, and that's a Greek comp. Yeah, Uglow is a
really good ballplayer for an extended period. When you're right six hundred and sixteen
capsules to me, you start to compare players to a lot of guys.
So I've used the danger comp many times. Yeah, he offers he offers
you something different than the second base. Yeah, outside of the norm.
You know, Hey, if if you have your hey, the guy picking
in your league, he's got Ronald Lacune right off the bat, right,
Hey, you've you've you've got yourself what forty stolen bases probably with your guy.
Okay, if you don't need stolen bases at your middle infield position.
He presents an intriguing option and that he could be. Looking at this list
of players, he could be a top three home run back. Oh yeah,
that's at second base. But he also could hit. He also could
hit two twenty well, he did hit twenty one year two twenty two,
thirty six. He's not gonna he's not gonna help your batting average at all.
No, he's not. But if you're looking at a power option,
it's intriguing. And again on how you built your team, right, yeah,
so yeah, I I hey, I based on what I've seen,
I think he could be a twenty five thirty home run guy for the next
five to ten years. Big power is he was always kind of comped to
Joey Gallo. I think he actually makes a little bit better contact than Joey
Gallo does. So yeah, Noela Gorman's done more than I thought he would.
I'm actually pretty impressed. Zach Geloff, Tim as you right, I
mean, great rookie start fourteen home runs, but he plays for the A's.
I mean, does that does that give you Pauls when you're selecting second
base, you know, do I want somebody that's got a terrible lineup around
them. Well, twenty twenty is twenty twenty, right, Hey, the
RBIs could be a little suppressed, the run score could be a little suppressed,
but it's still a twenty twenty type player carries weight even in open Okay,
okay, uh Bryson Stott? What little down on Bryson Stot or it's
just not really just the way the cookie crumbled here. Well, you know,
you start looking at the NFBC ADPs, right, yeah, and Taurus
is at ninety six. I mean this is one nineteen, Marte is one
twenty one, Stott is one oh five. They're they're all in the same
area. Okay, yea, yeah, if you want to if you want
to move Bryce and start up to where I mean has has flipped them around.
I got no problems with that at all. Yeah, that's what so
just it's just happenstance, you know, one up, two down kind of
thing. Yeah, it's it's much the same as looking at Albi's versus Semi.
Okay, you say, you say Alby's is number two, and I'm
gonna say, good for you. I got no problems with that, got
it? Sixth sixty the twenty we got Brandon Drury, Jorge Polanka, Lewis
Arise, Jonathan Indy and then Ryan McMahon. Now Brandon Drury, Timmy,
What is the difference between Brandon Drury and Nolan Gorman. H I'm gonna guess
at seven years so age well, and the fact that I think Gorman is
on a little bit better team now Drury to you know, as as a
positive is hitting in the three spot. M hmm, okay, Mike Troutz
hitting in the two spots. Somebody's got to drive trowed in right, Yeah,
yeh chalk could score fifty runs too, as long as three drives them
all in. Who okay, Yeah. I've always liked DREI he last year
was he was eligible all over the field. But he's a cheap power source.
Well, you know, twenty two he had twenty eight home runs,
drove in eighty seven to sixty three batting average. Last year twenty six home
runs eighty three RBIs at two sixty two batting average. I think he's a
little undervalued, and I bumped him up accordingly. I think if you're looking
for again a power hitting second baseman, I think he could be top five
to six and home runs, RBIs out of the group and to be able
to get him right now at two thirty two. Hey, I'd like Dreary
a lot. I'm I could see him being on a fair number of my
of my team's next year. Yeah, I think I think he's a little
safer than Nolan Gormant. I think the power upside with Gorman is much higher,
but there's more risk. I mean, you know, he could he
could hit two twenty. Brandon Dury's gonna hit to sixty and hit twenty five
home runs. That's what he's gonna do unless he's hurt. And you know,
the way I've got them ranked is that you know, I got Gorman
at fourteen and I got Drury of sixteen. Right, you want to you
want to flip them for the risk factor. I got no problems with that.
But they're they're going forty slots between each other. And yeah, so
that's you know, good two to three rounds. Who hate Polanco? You
love yourself? Some more hate Polanco? Explain yourself, mister McLeod. All
he needs is one thing, health and he hasn't had it the past two
years. And I get it. But how far do you when you start
looking at a player like that, if I'm not mistaken. His last full
season, Okay, his last full season, he hit thirty three home runs,
drove in ninety eight, stole eleven bases. Thirty three sounds right,
that sounds yeah, that sounds familiar. Well, you know, you go
to twenty twenty two and you know, three hundred and seventy five at bats,
sixteen home runs. Okay, last year, three hundred and two at
bats, fourteen home runs. I think you've got the potential there for a
twenty five to thirty home run, eighty five RBI, six to eight stolen
base type player. Now, all he's got to do is stay on the
field. He hasn't the past two years. But is there any reason to
think that he can't bounce back and get in a full season next year.
I your guess is as good as mine, But I'm gonna guess that he
rebounds and has at least four hundred and seventy five at bats, which again
elevates his obvious draft position. For me, Hey, if I if I'm
if I'm wrong in my estimations, If you're looking at a player that's going
off the board in the early mid teen rounds. Is that a disaster?
No, you'll find somebody else to replace them. Yeah, I think that's
there, So Lewis Arrise, I mean, it's not a whole lot to
say there. I mean, I if you if you short on batting average,
that's where you go. Yeah, exactly three fifty four batting average,
three ninety three OVP. Yeah, you're gonna pencil in I think a three
twenty batting average and a three seventy five, three eighty OVP. He had
ten home runs yeah last year? Yeah, nothing wrong. I you know,
hey, if we were looking at Louise or Rise and he had two
to three home runs, I'd probably have him down a little bit lower.
But yeah, there's a big difference between two three and ten. Right,
what do we do about Jonathan India team? This is a guy is a
good baseball player, but he has Heyes, you can't draft him expecting he's
going to get full time of bats on January tewod Right, you can't do
that, or you can't draft Cees Well, yes, I think outside of
led La Cruz and Matt McClain, I'm not sure you touch the other things
yet. In early draft you just say I'm sorry, I can't go there.
That would be the smart play. Yes, I think India though,
if they want to move him, they got to play him right. If
he's on the roster, if he breaks camp as a member of the Reds,
he could he could hold value. They're not gonna, They're not gonna.
They're not gonna sit him on the bench because if they want to trade
him, he's got to produce something, right, Yeah, yes, So
what do you do? I hey, you're looking at pick two oh seven.
I've got him at nineteen. NBC's sitting at seventeen. Yeah. Last
year it was a down year, but he still hit seventeen still fourteen bas
he scored seventy eight runs in four hundred and fifty four bets. Down,
Yes, but not gone. Yeah, he was one of He is one
of my targets at second base, and I like the player. It's just
it's tough at the moment. I mean, if you take a look at
the data, he supports a guy that should be taking sooner. But you
take a look at the plane time and there's big question marks. I mean,
it's take a go ahead. I was just gonna say, yeah,
maybe they'll trade him to the White Sox for Dylan cease. Yeah maybe maybe
the uh but I heard that the White Sox want pitchers back in return for
Dylan Sees, which really good luck, good luck. Yeah, well that
means he's going to the Dodger. So that's the case, because they'll ship
back all those guys we talked about last week or twenty five years old.
Sit back a couple of them. Yeah. Yeah, give me a Gavin
Stone and a River Ryan and a you know, you know, a young
kid, you know, pick number guy ranked number twelve, and it's a
done deal, right because you get two years of Dylan Sees. Right.
Yeah, to me, let's take a break and get back, and let's
start jumping around because the next round is the guy's timbers. This is where
I'm fishing temp and this next this is this is your fishing hole. This
is my fishing hole. Man. I'm going bottom fishing a little bit here
for second base. But I love myself at twenty one, Edgewardo Julian,
I love Jordan Westburg. Uh. Brandon Lowe at twenty three. It's not
a bad player. I mean he is. What he is at twenty four
is Lewis rahiefo twenty five. Zach mcentry with Miryfield scares me a little bit
at twenty six, Gavin Lux at twenty seven. Heroldo Perdoma is a good
player. I know you love Taylor Walls, and he's probably gonna play because
I doubt the uh, well they might. They gotta have somebody play shortstop,
and it's not going to be let's face it, it's not going to
be wonderfront going. Then you got the affable Jeff McNeil, and that's where
I'll break it off before we get the Jeff McNeil. But tell me about
Jordan Westburg. You got him ranked pretty high here. Well, hey,
he's playing on a great team. I think he's got some serious skills.
He's also eligible with third base. I like Westburg. I think he's got
a great future in Philadelphia. I'd be nice to be bad at higher in
the order, but you look at the order and that ain't gonna happen,
right, So you take what you're gonna get. But you look at Julian,
you look at Westburgh. Westburgh. Yeah, even Renifo and Zach McKinstry,
they're both going to play full time. Reneefo's their their lead up bat
and I think he hit sixteen runs last year, scored a bunch. McKinstry
had a nice season with Meryfield. Yeah, I'm down on Meryfield. He's
getting older. He hasn't signed with the team yet. I'm a little concerned.
The stolen bases were down, But Perdomo Taylor Walls, he stole twenty
plus bases playing part time last year, didn't he. Yeah, yeah,
there's your full time there's your full time shortstop for the Rais heading into this
year. So there's there's a host of intriguing options between twenty one and thirty
and all could hold value. Actually, there's options down to about thirty,
down to about forty that could hold some serious value depending on how rosters shaked
down. Yeah, I think if I can just give a plug for Zwardo
Julianne, he struck out thirty one percent of the time. I'm going on
memory. I'll have his data up, but you know, I nothing ever
that he has done in the minor league suggested that poor of contact. He
is hitting at the top of the lineup because he he walks a ton.
I mean, there could be some passivity that he's gotten. I think that
gets shaken out. I think he's the guy that's going to hit with some
pop, ye, a little bit of speed. So I think he's a
good player if you want to wait late. Yeah, I think the potential
is there. The only thing that concerns me a bit about Julian is if
you look a little deeper, three of the three months where he was basically
paying full time, one of those months was truly outstanding. But I think
he had like an eight hundred babbit that month. Yeah, So I don't
know how much how much of those of the overall was driven by that one
really really good month. But I I like him. But when I look
at the options at second base, if I got stuck with Westbrook or an
EFO as a middle infielder, I'd be okay with that. So I'm not
I liked Julian, but I'm not prepared to bump him up the board because
I think you got enough options. Why why would you want to? Yeah,
you know what I mean, unless you truly believe that he's he's going
to be a great player. There's there's a slew of options in here that
can provide value. Yeah, I just I just think second base is so
deep, I mean, pick up short stops and you take your it takes.
I mean again, Brandon Drury is not a sexy name at all.
But if you've got stolen bases locked up like someone like I do you know,
I mean, I got Bobby Wood and Michael Harris and I'm gonna get
more stolen bases and a sudden Brandon Drur becomes pretty interesting as a late round
grab. Well, yeah, you're looking at two thirty five, you're looking
at seventeen to five ten, you're looking at a fifteenth round, sixteenth round
pick. Yeah, give me twenty eight homers. Okay, I I had
a pick in the mid teens. Yeah, exactly. There are so many
options, so many different ways to play the middle infield, and they can
all be successful because of the depth at the position. Bryce Ter ranked him.
I think it is a bit of a disappointment last season. Well,
fault Of is a guy that I think has the job. Yeah, what
do you think of him? Yep? He does uh down shifting on simply
because I I liked what I saw as far as the speed. He stole
twenty six bases, okay, but he only hit six home runs. Okay.
Now if this was five years ago, I'd probably have Terrang up about
eight slots because the twenty six stolen bases would carry a lot more value.
You know, five years ago, as compared to today, twenty six stolen
bases does not carry enough value for me to have him ranked high. Right
now, he doesn't. That's that's why I've got it. Yeah, he's
fast, and that's why I've got him at thirty one. He's got some
of the worst exit velocities in all of base wall. He just does not
hit the ball very hard at all. I don't even know where the six
runs came from. I mean it's it's I mean, the data does not
support a guy that's going to hit with any level of power. I think
that's a little concerning. Plus, I mean sluts three ten. Yeah,
you know, if the Brewers didn't have Andrew Monasterio penciled in at third base,
I'd probably have Bryce Terng ranked even lower, because I think Ty Black
is going to be on the Brewers roster. Come come me, and right
now it looks like third base is the best offer. Black primarily played third
base last season. Yes, yes, but he you know, hey,
if Terrag really struggles there's nothing to say, and Monasterio hits, there's nothing
to say that ty Black is up at second base, right, yep,
maybe I think they want to play well. I think Tyler Black would work
better at second base. I don't think he has a great arm, but
he played pretty well there in the minor leagues last season, so that's why
they played him there. So maybe he can come up as a third baseman.
But I think if if Mantasterio, which I don't believe, can play
third base, then Black definitely could come in at second. I'm with you,
I'm a little disappointed in terrang and when you see the data, it's
just just no no power there at all. Supports your level of disappointments,
which yeah, I mean it's like, yeah, like when you see it
in baseball, you're worried about the bat speed to begin with an MC in
a baseball savanna, it's like the yikes. So to me, it's it's
a it's a no bueno. I know, I don't want to I do
like Leova Proguera. I know you've got to rank a little bit higher.
I know he plays for the Pittsburgh Pirates. That means he stinks, but
I mean I think that I think he's I've always liked the player. I
think there's I think there's something there. Yeah, I I do as well.
And hey, it looks like he's got the job, and with the
job comes opportunities. And I don't need to give you the I don't need
to give you the rest of that story, do I? So, no,
you do not let me. But having said that, yes, Brendan
Rodgers has the job, and you hate Brendan Rodgers him. You have him
ranked forty seventh, fourteen lower than he's going off with the NFC at UH
and he's going off at five thirty four, so you've got him pro me
more in the six hundreds. Why do you hate Brendan Rodgers went up?
Supposedly he has the job? Well, because he's still good. I was
gonna look for something a little bit more politically motivated. But yeah, twenty
twenty two was a full season, okay. Yeah, he had thirteen homers
and he drove in sixty three playing half his games in course. Okay,
Yeah, he struck out one hundred one times five hundred and twenty seven at
bats translated. Yeah, it's it's not it's not good last last year,
you know, in two one hundred and seventy eight at bats, he had
four home runs. He struck out forty one times. Like, I'm sorry,
I'm not buying into Brendan Rodgers. And he's, you know, heading
into his age twenty eight season. It's it's just not good and another player
that I can't figure out for the life of me. Okay, and maybe
I'll be wrong on this one, but Brendan Donovan likely I don't get it.
I just don't get it. They've done as high as what twenty six.
I thought at his stack cast, I'll bring it up now. I
think he hits the ball really hard. Let me bring it up because he
came in. It's funny because you know, when I do all of this
stuff looking for players, I have these filters, and Brendan Donovan kept coming
up as Hey, Wilson, take a look at this guy. Look at
this guy. And there's a lot to like. I mean, he's he
has average speed, but he makes really good contact. He walks a lot,
he's got good eggs a velocity. He's a bit of a ground ball
hitter, so he doesn't hit the ball much in the air, but I
can understand why some people would like this guy. The data supports that there's
something in here, but I couldn't bring myself to targeting them. So I
was like Brendan Donovan. Yeah, well, and you know, on top
top of that, you know he's begun a throwing program, coming off starting
his rehab after undergoing flexor tendon surgery in August. That's another warning for me.
Sorry, I'm passing on Donovan. I'll want something else. I will
say the data supports a two eighty five, three sixty five what he did
last season. It kind of supports that, which is what he did in
twenty twenty two, and it looks like there could be some upside with home
runs if he added a little bit of loft. I think the five to
eight stolen bases is probably real side. I can understand why people as a
debt. Looks like he's a deadpool hitter as well, which you know,
so that's his one weakness. It's just not a whole lot of power at
the moment, but the data supports there could be. So yeah, it's
just with the depth at second base. I ain't tossing no darts in his
direction, all right, Timmy let's always take a final break it back and
uh ask you the hard questions here, which player not in the top ten
has a chance to emerge their next season? Oh, not in the top
ten, and who could get there? And don't give me number eleven.
I want to I want a guy you feel really good about. And then
I want somebody a little bit deeper. Okay, I'm not going with Nolan
Gorman. Okay, that's good. Yeah. If he launched, if he
launches thirty home runs drives in eighty five this year, yeah, she's gonna
be in the top ten. Give me one. That's a little bit.
Wow. I want, I want a wow one. I'm looking at the
wow one. Let's see if you come up with it, the wow one.
How deep are we going here? Rich? I would go in the
upper twenties, upper twenties. You know I have branded Drury Yeah, brand
of Drewry. Yeah. Oh wow. I must think a Jordan Westburg would
be the guy that I would I would could possibly see if things start to
work. That guy is a really good baseball player. Yeah he is.
And same with Julian Yeah. Yeah, there's you know, you take a
look at that group between twenty and thirty, and yeah, there's three or
four players that are poised to make a step onwards and upwards. In that
group. There's just a lot of talent at second base. There really is.
There's a slew of options and play it how you like. You're going
to get. You're going to get a good player at second base, one
that will one that will fit the build for your team, and you can
you don't have to worry, per se, okay about what that build is,
because there's somebody that that'll that'll match the description of what you're looking for.
Up to about pick twenty. After that, there's you get some great
spectics in there. I forgot, I mean my haste to put this out,
I forgot to bring up your last year's last year's ranking. I'm sorry,
I've already ignored them. That's old news. Yeah, no, that's
a real bummer. So let's see. Well, I gotta I will re
send that to you, so we actually have last year's rankings in there.
So but because I'm looking, I don't think obviously Matt McClain wasn't anywhere on
this last last season, but Nico Horner and Hassan Kim both took a step
up this season. So yeah, as as did Brayson Stuck and yell Off.
And I think Geoff could be a guy that makes it in the top
ten too. I mean he was really good. Yeah no, if he
if he has a twenty twenty plus season, yeah, yeah he could.
The problem problem is there's not a lot of players that I could see moving
over that. Well, that's what. You gotta give me one or two
that that has a chance and I want a bit of a surprise. Yeah,
that's one of them. The easiest one is Kate el Marte. Okay,
the other one, uh, if Hassan Kim is traded, that disrupts,
Nah, Kim is too good to a player. I'll go with Glabra
Taurus. I'm gonna go with Nico Horner. Yeah, he's got to steal
forty bases. Yeah yeah, and yeah if you don't think he's going to
steal forty forty plus, Yeah, he's a good choice to move out of
that top ten. But there's so little that differentiates as far as I'm concerned.
You know, picks six through ten versus ten through fifteen, any of
them could swing. They really could, because they're that close. You look
at the ADPs, and for the most part, they're all pretty tightly bunched.
Yeah, I mean, I just again, I think you can wait
and pick you pick your poison again. If you if you're low on power,
you decided to take a lot of speed guys up early, maybe a
Trey Turner, so you get yourself maybe fifteen sixteen home runs and a lot
of stolen bases, and all of a sudden, your spreadsheet, you're tracking
with your spreadsheet and you're like a little bit light on power. Go with
Nolan Gorman as a power hitting second baseman because you've got some batting average somewhere
else. I could be a play. Or if you say, hey,
I need I need a lot of stolen bases there, you know, you
could go in a different direction there. So yeah, Taylor Taylor Walls playing
full time could steal thirty bases. Yeah in its sleeve. Yeah, he's
a fine He's a fine reserve pick, and he'll probably last to the reserve
rounds in most drafts. Yes, agreed, All right, Tim, I'm
looking I just I just have to comment. So you and I are in
the same age brackets. So and remember, uh K tell records to me
back in the day were these. So one of my first purchases in vinyl
was it was a k Tel record. And that's why you say Katel Marte.
It's actually Katel Marte. I have to every time I see coateell Marte,
I want to say KTOW because I remember all those albums I own back
in the day. Yeah, we were cut from from the same cloth,
and you were slapping them down listening to the guitar tracks, and I was
slapping them down listening to the drum tracks right, trying to trying to trying
to copy them and play them. I'd be a I'd be a much wealthier
man if I didn't spend all my money on record albums when I was a
kid. It's like no comment, no comment, no comment, all right
to me. And what everybody wants to know, Give me a couple of
sleepers, A couple of sleepers. I think Org Polon Uncle is underbellued.
All were missing is help there if you're looking at sleepers. I like Aguero
and Pittsburgh, I really do. I think there's potential there for a much
better season. You know, I'm not giving up on David Schneider either.
Depending on what the Jays do. If he's got a full time job,
David Schneider could turn into a very very nice player. I think. I
don't know. I agree with you. I just don't see how Worthy's gonna
get a chance to play. They're gonna they're gonna bring something. They've already
brought somebody in, right, so they trade for somebody or I kf.
Yeah he's okay, Yeah, okay, Yeah he's okay. But again,
depending on the advatsnwer's got some potential, Michael Vargas, maybe they'll trade him
or Miguel Vargas or Migel Vargas with the Dodgers. Yeah, how about how
about Xavier Edwards in Miami? Or if he gets an opportunity, Look,
that guy's fast, these good bat the balls feels no power, Yeah,
I mean he could steal you thirty forty bases if he gets a shot.
Yeah. So you know the problem with second base is when you start looking
at long shots, you don't have to. I think a lot of the
long shots per se at second base are going to be players picked up off
the waiver wire in season. Right. If I have a choice, am
I going to add a sleeper pick per se at second base? Or am
I going to add an outfielder or a starting pitcher. It's going to be
outfielder starting pitcher for me. Yeah yeah, all right, Timmy, give
me one guy that you're going to just avoid. He's not on the great
Tim McCloud's draft list. One guy that I'm going to totally avoid is probably
Luis Arise because I'm hoping I don't get myself into a city situation where I
need what he happens to bring to the table. And that's not a slight
against a Rise. Yeah, he's He's definitely going to help you in the
batting average and OVP numbers, but hopefully I won't need that help by the
time I start looking at filling my second base slot. The other player,
if I can comment, you bring up a really good point. It's look,
at least a Rise a very good baseball player and can help you in
a fantasy team. But you do feel like when you select him, you've
done something wrong. Right, You're getting him because you're low, You're low
on act, you're low on a category. It's almost like getting su Ruiz
as you're stolen base guy or rabbit. You that means you did something wrong.
And now you're you're you're counting on one guy to make up the flaws
of your of your draft. That rarely works out, but you know,
sometimes you have to do what you have to do. Yeah, if I
want to use my band aids, I want to use them on injured players.
I don't want to use them on players that I've just picked in a
draft. Right, I had the idea of correcting a problem that you've created
yourself. It's yeah, you're right, it's not not keen on me,
So give me another guy. I don't want Ryan McMahon. It just don't
either. I don't need. I have him a d L five, and
I'm like, I can't get anybody to trade with me for a third basement
because they're all laughing because I got Ryan McMahon and I've had him for five
years to him and so I've watched him day, day in and day.
I mean, don't have a couple of good weeks, but it's mostly black.
Well, yeah, my narrative says, you know, two thousand and
three probably provide me an okay year for McMahon, but it's okay, good
enough. Expect more of the same okay numbers in twenty twenty four. Okay,
yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's okay,
it's okay. I totally totally agree with you. It's just okay.
I think he is third base eligible too, isn't he? Yeah, you
got him at their h so yeah, I that's one guy that's really disp
point. I thought he'd be a better player than what he has become.
But that is what it is. I think we know the player now,
Timmy. That your second based off is really well done. It's all out
there on Prospect three sixty one. If your Patreon memory, you got it
all. I'm going to update that spreadsheet so we get last year's rankings.
Sorry about that, I just forgot to do it. Okay. Yeah,
that's your new Year's that's your new year's present to me, not taking a
look at last year's performance levels, even though they'd be interesting for sure.
Exactly, Timmy, that is a wrap, my friend. We're gonna cut
it here. We've already gone an hour and a half. That's long enough,
so we will pick up second base. Excuse me. The San Francisco
Giants on Sunday, Yeah sounds good. Notes are already uh ready ready to
rock with the giants and hold short stop right, I can have short Stop
ready to roll. Okay, that'd be great, Timmy. All I've got
to do is just list them and rack them, and we'll talk about my
selections. We can make fun of all my NFBC selections. Come on Sunday.
Will probably be done a good part of the draft then, so that'll
be fun. See see taken why we were on the air, Matt McClain
went after Aaron Nolay in the fourth round, fourth round, pick nine,
I believe. And then then the closers have started. You got Durant,
Emanuel Class, David Beddner or CJ. Abrams got snuck in there too,
So I that's why. Now, that's why I was thinking I needed to
get a closer, because all the big ones are going to be gone.
So that's I think there'll still be somebody left when I get I would I
would think so Develle's pretty solid in San Francisco. If he's still there,
yeah he is. But I'm three away from picking, so hopefully they will
be there. Right, I will tell you who was top on the list.
Now, I'm not gonna do that to me. It is a wrap,
my friend. Talk to you on Sunday. My friend sounds good.
Safe travels to you and Laurie and hope you miss all storms. And again
to all our listeners, Happy New Year. Let's hope twenty four is a
great one for all of us