WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:36.320 Welcome to the UFO Thinktank Craigier with your host Alejandro rojan Ello Andrew, Welcome 2 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:41.560 to UFO Think Tank Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and 3 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:48.200 I am very happy to be here with you. Yet again, we have 4 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:53.399 a great show. Today. We have Robert Schroeder and he's going to talk 5 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:58.439 about UFOs and modern physics. Not unlike a couple of shows ago when we 6 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:02.039 had David Paris this he as a gentleman who has done a lot of work 7 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:08.680 looking into how UFOs operate, and he's very up to date on modern physics 8 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:14.319 and he's drawing some connections. Hey man, I think I can talk to 9 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:22.359 how UFOs operate. We might be able to measure some effects from these UFO 10 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:27.879 sidings to prove that this is the case. Very interesting show, as you 11 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:34.400 all know. I love UFO science and getting science involved with all of this 12 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.159 and trying to move it forward that way, and that's what this show is 13 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:44.840 all about. Robert has written a book called Solving the UFO Enigma. How 14 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.000 modern physics is revealing the technologies of UFOs. So we're going to talk all 15 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:56.359 about Robert. How he got here. He's actually an engineer for many years, 16 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:00.040 and we'll talk about his background also. So this is very exciting. 17 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.560 I think you're gonna love it, and we have a lot to talk about. 18 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:08.479 So actually I'm gonna truncate the news a little bit into about eight minutes. 19 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:14.520 And also because I'm busting at the seams and i just can't keep this 20 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:22.199 from you all anymore. If you're in to UFOs and science and space science, 21 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:29.159 you're gonna love something I am working on specially just for you, which 22 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:38.800 is a conference with some media people and some scientists, and we're gonna talk 23 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:46.439 about space UFOs and the search for extraterrestrial life, astrobiology, you know, 24 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:53.080 Kepler and all of this planet hunting that's going on, physics and mathematics, 25 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.960 and we're gonna have all these PhDs. We're gonna have, you know, 26 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.360 a lot off. If you have buddies who you're like, man, you 27 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:07.240 know, they're real skeptics, they're real science minded, they're engineers or scientists, 28 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.000 and you're like, you know, I don't know if I want to 29 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:13.960 take them to some of these other conferences. They're going to think this stuff's 30 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.639 a little too fringe. Then this is a conference for you. Please bring 31 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:22.000 your skeptic buddies. It's going to be reasonable priced, and it's going to 32 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:27.840 be in Las Vegas, Nevada, the first weekend of October, at the 33 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:32.560 beautiful Tropic Canna the middle of the Strip. So I am talking first class, 34 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:37.599 first class place bowled out there. They're going to have this up on 35 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:43.240 the Marquee on the Strip, across the street from Excaloper and Luxor and MGM, 36 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.639 in the middle of everything, not hidden away in some side room. 37 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.120 We are going to have, uh, just in an incredible event. I'm 38 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:53.759 going to talk to you more about that in a little while. I don't 39 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.840 have the side up, I don't have all the speakers confirmed, and I 40 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.159 don't have time to talk too much on it now, but I want I'm 41 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.080 to let you know it's also going to be extremely affordable, probably less than 42 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.599 practically any conference out there. But anyway, it's gonna beautiful. It's gonna 43 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:10.639 be great. You guys are gonna love it. Wanted to get you you 44 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.919 a little heads up because we're gonna have limited space. But I need to 45 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.199 get into some news of the week now. I talked about this last week, 46 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:24.079 but I wrote my own story up at Ufodailynews dot com. And this 47 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.680 is about the Viking Mars mission possibly finding life. And the reason I'm bringing 48 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.839 it up again is because I wrote this story and in fact, i'm reporting 49 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:36.959 here from the UFO Daily news room. And by the way, you know 50 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.199 this site, if you go to it, it's awesome. If you go 51 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:45.000 to the UFO News speed, you're gonna have UFO News updated on a regular 52 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:46.360 basis. You're gonna be like, wow, this is incredible. This has 53 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.759 never been done before, and you're right because it hasn't. And if you 54 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:54.519 want to help write for UFO Daily News, I would love to have some 55 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.560 volunteers and work with some of you out there, so please email me at 56 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:06.240 info at ufodailynews dot com, Info at ufodailynews dot com or Alejandro at ufodailynews 57 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.680 dot com. Some of you can't spell that, that's fine. Really, 58 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.160 I've got it set up for anything you put before at ufodailynews dot com. 59 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:16.839 It's gonna get to me. So yeah, if you want to write about 60 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.959 some of this stuff, like the Viking Mars mission finding life, what happened 61 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:27.720 and this is really cool is that this University of Southern California scientist his name 62 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:33.959 is Joseph Miller. He's a biologist and a neuropharmacologist, so he looked at 63 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:39.879 that data. And what they've done is put together this mathematical equation that can 64 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.519 kind of or a program that can look at this data from the soil and 65 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:49.120 determine whether it is from organic living matter or not. He says, he's 66 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:55.439 ran experiments here on the Earth and it's always been accurate. The soil with 67 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.160 organics in it shows that it is more complex than the soil without. He 68 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:05.120 ran these experiments with the numbers that were retrieved from the Viking missions in the 69 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:11.120 late seventies to Mars, and he says, without a doubt, it shows 70 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.800 that there's living bacteria in the soil. He says, he's ninety nine percent 71 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:21.639 sure there is life in this bacteria. That is fascinating news, I think, 72 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:28.399 he says. Some critics have said that this mathematical system has not been 73 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:34.879 proven yet, it's not completely adopted by everyone, and so they haven't taken 74 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:41.120 this as hard proof yet, but it's certainly very strong evidence. What he 75 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:45.240 says is that we need to send a microscope out there to look to see 76 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.639 if we can see some bacteria moving around in the soil. And unfortunately, 77 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:53.480 although we are sending a new probe out there which is going to be there 78 00:06:53.680 --> 00:07:00.399 soon, this probe, the Curiosity Rover, it doesn't have a microsof like 79 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.680 that, and that's really unfortunate. Why not, I mean, why not 80 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:09.600 put this thing to rest and have the equipment on this new rover that you're 81 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.879 sending out there. So that's very unfortunate, but he's hopeful that this rover 82 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:18.720 will find more evidence. Without being able to take video of microbes moving around 83 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.399 in the soil, there's not going to be hard proof, but at least 84 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:30.199 more evidence which we already have that mounting more and more every day. Speaking 85 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:38.800 of robotic pros, there's been some interesting news out there from another professor who 86 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:46.000 wrote in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society about robots and how he thinks 87 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.560 in order to find et we need to build self replicating robots, and he's 88 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:56.600 talking about building these robots on the Moon that build themselves and they go out 89 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.920 there and just search and search and they have the ability us a search for 90 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.399 signs of life and fly around and do all this discovery. Very interesting idea 91 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:11.800 and what a sci fi advanced type of theory he has. In fact, 92 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:18.959 he even talks about how most likely that if there are intelligent civilizations out there, 93 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:22.040 they're probably doing this too. His quote is, if they're like us, 94 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.680 they too have a dysfunctional government and all the other problems plaguing us, 95 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.920 they won't want to spend a lot of time to communicate with us. He 96 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.559 thinks they'll send out robots and things, and who knows, perhaps that is 97 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:41.080 largely what we see with these UFOs. We're possibly seeing probes often, So 98 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.279 very interesting there. Before I get into some you know, more interesting UFO 99 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.840 news, this is something really cool here, and I'm just going to give 100 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:56.960 you a little teaser. Really, this is UC Berkeley who used to manage 101 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.120 the Allen Telescope Array, and this is your array I talked about recently that 102 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.200 was turned off for a period of time for a lack of funding, which 103 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.440 spawned a bunch of stories about SETI being shut down. They weren't really shut 104 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:15.600 down, they just were not able to use their primary source, There's telescope 105 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.919 array to search for signals anymore. However, they got funding and it was 106 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:26.000 put back online. Well now that Allen Telescope Array has moved management It's now 107 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:33.679 going to be managed by SRII International, which is a nonprofit organization. SRII 108 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.519 used to be the Stanford Research Institute, and that's where SRII comes from. 109 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:48.600 And SRI did some interesting stuff with remote viewing. So these remote viewing people, 110 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:54.320 they essentially created remote viewing. They didn't create the psychic phenomena that allowed 111 00:09:54.559 --> 00:10:00.720 remote viewing. They just kind of named it remote viewing. Now they are 112 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.720 managing the search for extraterrestrial life. I think that's really interesting. And I'm 113 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.840 going to write a story on this that I'll have up on the Huffington Posts 114 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:15.080 and I'll probably tell you more about that next week. Anderson Cooper, if 115 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.320 you don't know, has a daytime television show now and tomorrow. He is 116 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:24.799 featuring people who believe they're abducted by aliens and he's going to be talking about 117 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:31.399 UFO sidings. So this is pretty exciting. Anderson Cooper his television show The 118 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.440 John Ventry, who is the I think it's actually venture. I've had him 119 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:43.120 on the show before, but he is the Pennsylvania MoveOn director. He's going 120 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.840 to be on the show and they're going to be talking about some sightings in 121 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.639 that area. So that's really interesting. Anderson Cooper, if you're home during 122 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.919 the day check it out or set your TV. You're going to want to 123 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.879 check that out. And you know they're going to have a couple of dictees, 124 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.200 they're going to have UFO wines is, and hopefully they'll be taking all 125 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.480 this seriously. It ought to be really interesting. I'm of course interested to 126 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:18.799 see how that turns out. Other news CBS in Florida wrote about something that 127 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.879 our good buddy le Spiegel wrote about recently, which is this Marine Reserve squadron 128 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.639 pilot who in nineteen seventy five had his own UFO sighting. And this is 129 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:35.600 going to be featured in John Alexander's new book coming out. And actually Lise 130 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:41.080 Spiegel of the Huffington Post wrote about this recently, so that news has spread 131 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.440 out some more. And I guess my last piece before we go is this 132 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:50.200 exciting story that actually our good buddy Jason McClellan found, and this is that 133 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.120 the World's Fair in San Diego County is going to be called out of this 134 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.440 world. So the twenty twelve World's Fair or I'm sorry, not World's Fair, 135 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.919 County Fair in San Diego I guess this Out of this World fair so 136 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:13.399 really interesting. They're gonna have kind of a UFO alien themed county fair out 137 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.559 there in San Diego. And San Diego of course has wonderful weather, so 138 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:22.120 that's really interesting, and I think I need to look into checking that out 139 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.320 because June here is a little unbearable and I'd like to drive just a few 140 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:31.519 hours to San Diego to check it out. So this is really I think 141 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.799 that's quite fascinating. Even if you look at the picture, you know, 142 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.200 the out and Out of this World has a picture of like kind of the 143 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:43.159 head of an alien, great type of figure. So that is the news, 144 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:50.639 ladies and gentlemen for this week. Because there's so much science and stuff 145 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.600 to talk about. I really want to get into this interview with Robert Schroeder. 146 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.799 So let's go ahead and talk to Robert. All right, I'm very 147 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:03.440 happy to have right Robert Schroeder on with me. Hello, Robert, Hi, 148 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:07.919 al Andre, How you doing good? Good? How are you? 149 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.320 How fantastic? I'm really excited to have you on the show. You know, 150 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.559 I love to talk about the science of UFOs, and I think that's 151 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.159 what you know, a lot of people, people don't realize there is work 152 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.159 going on. There is more than just sightings and recording of sightings. There's 153 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.879 great people like you doing some work out there to figure out some of the 154 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.480 mechanics behind some of these things. And so it's really exciting to have you 155 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:39.679 on and to talk about your new book, Solving the UFNO Enigma. How 156 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.240 modern physics is revealing the technology of UFOs. Oh yeah, thank you for 157 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.960 having me on the show too, My pleasure. My first question, I 158 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:56.919 guess, is to get into how this all came about. How was it 159 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:05.559 and when was it that you started to take the UFO phenomena seriously. Okay, 160 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.480 I can tell you I'm probably like a lot of people who've gotten involved 161 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:18.600 in the UFO phenomenon in studying it. Way back in nineteen fifty seven, 162 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:26.000 I was just twelve years old, and I come from New Jersey, Northern 163 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:30.720 New Jersey, a little town called Teeneck, and it's only a couple of 164 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:35.279 miles west of Manhattan, a little bit west of the Hudson River. And 165 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.639 anyway, one day, I mean and I ad met. Even though I 166 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:43.120 was only twelve, I had very good eyesight, and even at that age, 167 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.919 I loved science and in fact, I come from a family of scientists 168 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:54.120 and engineers. But I was standing out in the front yard of our house 169 00:14:54.200 --> 00:15:03.360 in Teeneck, and the anyway, I was in the yard and the house 170 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.919 was on the west side of me, and I looked over at the peak 171 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.000 of the roof of the house and I saw what looked like it was about 172 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.799 five pm. It was around November, very very early November nineteen fifty fifty 173 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:22.720 seven, and I saw what looked like a cylinder in the sky, but 174 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.879 looked very very high up. It looked like at about the height of jet 175 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:33.440 airplanes, and it was and they had just bowling seven oh seven had just 176 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.960 come out at that time, nineteen fifty six fifty seven. So anyway, 177 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.440 I saw this cylinder going overhead I and I looked at it, and I 178 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.639 thought, what the heck is that? Because I had seen plenty of airplanes, 179 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:52.240 but this was the only the first time I had seen an airplane that 180 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:58.639 didn't look like it had wings, and so it totally baffled me. And 181 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.360 it was just appearing over the peak of the roof of our house only because 182 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.480 the house hid it, but it was obviously way way up in the sky. 183 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:11.320 And then as I'm watching it, I noticed that the front of the 184 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.600 cylinder was perfectly blunt, and the back was blun too. It was just 185 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.080 squared off. In fact, if anything, it looked like a cigarette, 186 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:26.200 but of one consistent color from front to back. It was just kind of 187 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.200 a gold color. And so I'm watching it, and then all of a 188 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.399 sudden, coming over the peak of the roof of the house, comes another 189 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:41.120 object, a round object that's about two lengths of the cylinder behind it the 190 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:48.279 first cylinder, and they're obviously flying together in tandem, and the round object 191 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.559 was following the cylinder of the long cylinder, and at that point helandro. 192 00:16:53.919 --> 00:17:00.759 I really I realized I was looking at something really strange. And yeah, 193 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.920 no, Sputnik had just gone up, I guess about a month before, 194 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.400 and so my thinking, my first thought, I was just a kid, 195 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:12.799 I guess. My first thought was, gee, maybe that's the rocket, 196 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:17.839 and maybe that's Sputnik. But I'm trying to figure out why Sputnik would be 197 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.920 behind the rocket. And also I couldn't figure out why the rocket would still 198 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.160 be up there in space. Shouldn't that have fallen back down into the atmosphere. 199 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:32.519 And then I suddenly realized from you know, reading the papers and stuff, 200 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:37.240 that Sputnik was only the size of the beach ball. And I knew 201 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.920 that, And I also knew that Sputnik was about one hundred miles up, 202 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:47.319 so I knew at one hundred miles there's simply no way that I could see 203 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:51.759 a beach ball. And at that point, at that instant, I realized 204 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:57.559 that this was something really really strange, and that's what got me going, 205 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:02.559 and I just want to add one more thing and then I'll let this go. 206 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.000 Over the years, I began, you know, occasionally, as I 207 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:14.200 had time, I began to study the UFO subject, the subject of UFOs, 208 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:21.440 and one of the things that I found was that they have these waves 209 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.559 when many, many UFOs are spotted around given area of the world, like 210 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:33.799 one country or a region of countries, as in Europe, and they'll have 211 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.759 these UFO waves that will last for you know, a couple of months or 212 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:42.640 six months, or even a year. And I discovered a few years later 213 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:51.039 that there had been a gigantic UFO wave in November of nineteen fifty seven in 214 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:55.160 the United States, exactly when I had seen that of those two objects, 215 00:18:55.759 --> 00:19:00.880 and that really got my attention, and I realized literally at that instant, 216 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:10.039 that very likely we were being visited by extraterrestrial civilizations. At that instant, 217 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.960 I knew it, and I know a lot of other people who have seen 218 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:21.039 these things have come to that realization too, under similar circumstances. But anyway, 219 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.960 that's how I got into it in a Okay, great, yeah, 220 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.559 interesting. I mean that sounds like an incredible signing, much more incredible than 221 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:33.559 any sighting I've had. So I'm kind of jealous of you there. Oh 222 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.440 yeah, but there will be more than yeah, I guess with your sighting. 223 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:45.680 You know, sometimes people come to different conclusions other than the extraterrestrial one. 224 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:52.160 Why what makes you certain that it's an extraterrestrial phenomena? Okay, I 225 00:19:52.240 --> 00:20:02.359 admit that's a conjecture, but my thinking is that that we now know that 226 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:07.160 there are I mean, even back then, there was a suspicion that many 227 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:14.200 many stars of our type, which is called a G star and astronomical lingo, 228 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:19.880 it was thought that many many other stars had planets going around them just 229 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:29.079 like ours, and so my thinking was that probably intelligent creatures had evolved in 230 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:36.599 other planets as well. That's in the most likely explanation. And now, 231 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:45.119 of course, most people are aware that astronomers have detected I think hundreds, 232 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:51.519 if not over a thousand extrasolar planets, and they're even at the point where 233 00:20:51.519 --> 00:21:00.799 they're hoping to be able to get information spectrographic information on the atmosphere of planets 234 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:06.279 going around other stars, and if they detect things like methane or something like 235 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.160 that, that would be an indication of life or or probably of life. 236 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:17.480 And so so it's getting pretty exciting, and I think the science is definitely 237 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:22.400 beginning to back up the conjecture that there may be other, many, many 238 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:27.839 other civilizations out there, and it's just a matter of time before we detect 239 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:34.079 them. And so that's my thinking. And I do realize there are other 240 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.680 possibilities, you know, like people coming in a time machine back, you 241 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:42.519 know, from the future to the past and things like that. But I 242 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:52.599 know that very you know, a very accomplished physicists like Stephen Hawking discount the 243 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.599 possibility of time travel and they point out that and this guy's you know, 244 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.240 he really knows the math of general relativity and stuff, and his argument is 245 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:10.960 that there are certain mathematical contradictions that just wouldn't allow it. You know, 246 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.839 it would be it'd be fun if if you could do it, but I 247 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:19.920 don't think you can. However, just the ability to go from other planets 248 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:27.599 to our planet, extra solar planets to our planet is incredible enough by itself, 249 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:37.160 and so I think that that alone interests me tremendously, right. Yeah, 250 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.640 I just think it's kind of interesting because I think you can argue that 251 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:45.079 using Akham's razor, the extraterrestrial question is kind of the easiest. It is 252 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:51.720 the simplest an advanced technology well beyond our own that we are witnessing, and 253 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.680 so it kind of is the simplest answer that it's a civilization beyond our own, 254 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.000 And I think that's why a lot of people come to that conclusion. 255 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:06.440 And yeah, it's the most it's probably the most likely answer. That's kind 256 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.960 of the way I think about it in it, But I don't totally discount 257 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:17.279 other possibilities either, I just think that they are less likely. You know, 258 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:22.039 Yeah, that makes complete sense. Yeah, So my next question would 259 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:27.039 be your scientific background. So you do have a background in science, I 260 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:30.599 think obviously, I from listening to you, you know science very well in 261 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:37.359 physics. Could you share that with us. I sure can. As I 262 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:44.599 mentioned, I come from a family of scientists and engineers and my own background, 263 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.240 I have a degree in mathematics, and I also have an associate's degree 264 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:59.000 in aerospace engineering and an MBA too on top of all that. But my 265 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:04.200 family, my family has a lot of scientists and engineers in it. My 266 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:11.079 dad was a research chemist and he was a graduate of MIT. And our 267 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:17.039 daughter, I was a graduate from UH at Penn State, and she's a 268 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:22.440 structural engineer down in the Washington, DC area, a twenty something daughter in 269 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.359 and uh so, and then I have a lot of my brothers and sisters 270 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:33.319 are involved in science, engineering and stuff. And also many of my nephews 271 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.400 and nieces are in one way or the other or some of them are engineers, 272 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:44.240 some involved in biology or science too. And and so that's kind of 273 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:52.400 my background. But I, although I I didn't work in the academic world, 274 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:56.839 I worked in I actually retired from Hewlett Packard UH just a couple of 275 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.200 years ago, but I had worked for them for twenty seven years. I 276 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:07.400 was in private industry, but UH on the side, when I had time, 277 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.759 I spent an awful lot of UH time and effort studying what's going on 278 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.279 in modern physics, and I just have I have to say I have an 279 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.559 absolute passion for science. I'm you know, I'm one of those guys that 280 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.440 when I go shopping with my wife or or if our daughter's with us, 281 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:32.519 and I go buy a magazine wreck and they have the science magazine, they'll 282 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:40.799 find me there later and so but that and then and then, and they're 283 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.200 kind of afraid to take me to a bookstore because they can't dragged out. 284 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.880 But anyway, that's kind of who I am, you know. And yeah, 285 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:55.160 so okay, given that with your your family, you're gonna you know, 286 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:59.200 family a scientists and engineers. A couple of questions before we get into 287 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:04.200 your book, real quick to lend some insight. How do you how do 288 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:11.160 your your family members who are in science and engineering, what do they think 289 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:18.319 about your work with UFOs or about the subject. Oh okay, my two 290 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.680 brothers are both in total agreement, and they're fascinated by the theories and everything. 291 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.079 My daughter, uh, she she's she's interested too, and she has 292 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.799 she gives out copies of the book to her friends down in the DC area. 293 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.880 And I can't say she has as much passion for the subject as I 294 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:44.559 do. Now, my my wife, who's a math teacher at high school 295 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:49.119 math teacher, she's she's interested in it too, and she goes around to 296 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:53.680 the presentations that I do and show you as you sit in the back and 297 00:26:53.960 --> 00:27:00.799 run the projector when I do the presentations, And I I can't say, 298 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:06.240 like my daughter, probably my wife doesn't quite have the passion that I do. 299 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:14.160 But my some of my nephews are definitely interested. And I've given them 300 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.480 copies of the book and they come back with questions for Uncle Bob and so, 301 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:23.359 so I figure that's a good sign. And so yeah, so generally, 302 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:30.119 I now my my parents have passed away. But my dad, although 303 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:36.240 I should, I can't say that he spent a lot of time, you 304 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.839 know, looking into the UFO topic, because he was pretty busy with other 305 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.960 things, you know, I don't. I don't think he discounted it either. 306 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.920 So I think I think in a way it might be that the younger, 307 00:27:53.279 --> 00:28:00.599 younger generations have paid more attention to the UFO phenomenon, So you know, 308 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.799 there might be kind of a generational disconnect a little bit, you know. 309 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.839 But but any in any case, I can tell you this that you 310 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.880 know, back in the sixties and seventies, although there was a great deal 311 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:21.799 of interest in the UFO phenomenon, I find today that it's I think it's 312 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.240 it has it's attracting more interest than it ever has, and I'm happy that 313 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:33.240 that's the case. I'm just hoping that, you know, that we can 314 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.880 bring some hard science to it and figure it out right. And it seems 315 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.119 that, you know, you were an example of what I try to tell 316 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.680 people. A lot of people say, well, if there was something to 317 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.640 this, scientist would be into it, and there are a lot of individual 318 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.839 scientists that are into the subject, engineers and so forth. In fact, 319 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:57.720 scientists really got this whole ball rolling and investigating it. There may not be 320 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:03.519 scientific organized nations or universities, and I think that's what people mean. But 321 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.079 there is kind of this this idea that scientists aren't into this subject. And 322 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:12.279 furthermore, you see a lot of science students, it seems, participating in 323 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.119 debunking as if they feel that they're that's what they're supposed to do. Where 324 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.000 scientists we debunk things that we see fringe as fringe like this stuff. Why 325 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.039 do you think that idea persists you're exactly right. And I'll tell you what's 326 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:37.599 the problem is. It's the the The problem is I believe anyway that uh, 327 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.799 way back in the fifties, and I'm not a I'm not a believer 328 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:49.880 in conspiracies or anything, but I do think something did happen back then that 329 00:29:51.640 --> 00:30:00.920 unfortunately, you know, kind of cause the UFO phenomenon do you looked at 330 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:10.039 in a very skeptical manner by professional scientists and much of the media and the 331 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:15.720 journalists. And what happened was and see a lot of people today that are 332 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:22.839 younger don't may not remember what was going on back in the forties, fifties 333 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.599 and sixties. But that was at the height of the Cold War, and 334 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:37.119 the CIA was actually concerned about UFO sidings or bocus UFO sightings clocking the communications 335 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:42.240 channels around the country, so that in the event of an enemy attack at 336 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:52.359 that time, they were concerned that that could really weaken our ability to respond 337 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:57.920 to any threat. And so I think they made a purposeful decision to kind 338 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:07.720 of debunk the UFO phenomenon and kind of ridicule it, and and the and 339 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:15.440 and they succeeded. And unfortunately they've they've succeeded so well that even today we 340 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:22.640 have the lingering after effects of that. So it's so these days, any 341 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:30.160 any professional scientists, and any scientist who's in the middle of his career, 342 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.799 uh, if he starts getting involved in the UFO phenomenon studying it, no 343 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.119 matter how sincere he is, and it's like touching the third rail, and 344 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:48.119 that could literally spell the end of his career. However, on the other 345 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:55.559 hand, there's there are actually a lot of scientists that either after they retire 346 00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:02.039 or maybe during their working career, but anonymously, there are scientists who will, 347 00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.799 you know, take a look into this phenomenon. And I'll give you 348 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.400 a perfect example, doctor j Allen Heinek, who was an astronomer, and 349 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.960 he was and the advisor to the US Air Force back in the sixties and 350 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.759 seventies, I guess. And anyway, doctor Heinik, he was an advisor 351 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:28.000 for about twenty years. And I remember, because I kind of go way 352 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.759 back there. I remember when doctor Heinik was a total skeptic or at least 353 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:40.720 publably about the UFO phenomenon. But then what happened Alejandro was he I think 354 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:47.559 it was nineteen sixty seven, he wrote an article in Look magazine, and 355 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:53.440 I don't know if anybody remembers Look magazine, but in that article he came 356 00:32:53.480 --> 00:33:02.640 out and he realized. He admitted that he had come to the conclusion that 357 00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.319 there was something to the UFO phenomenon, and his reasoning was he had worked 358 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:15.880 and interviewed so many pilots and ground personnel in the Air Force who had had 359 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.599 encounters with UFOs of one type or another, and then on top of that, 360 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:30.440 he also had pretty good evidence of nuts and bolts engineering behind the UFO 361 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:35.160 phenomenon. A lot of your listeners will be familiar with the Cicaro on New 362 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.920 Mexico case. I'm not sure when it was back in the seventies or something 363 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:44.720 sixties or seventies, but in that case, a police sergeant, denn A 364 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:51.079 Cicaro on New Mexico, Lannie Zamora, spotted a UFO landing and they actually 365 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:58.119 found the indentations in the soil from the landing gear. And one of the 366 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:07.000 fascinating things about that that doctor was analyzed was that the location of the the 367 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:14.320 ground was uneven where the craft landed. But he he was able to figure 368 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.480 out that whatever this craft was had a self leveling landing gear, which is 369 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:28.840 a very very sophisticated type of arrangement, and and so that and anyway, 370 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:35.400 after he figured that out, he realized that not only is there visual evidence 371 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.639 of these things, radar evidence, but here on the ground there was evidence 372 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:46.599 of something that clearly had an advanced landing gear system and it had left absolute 373 00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:53.000 evidence of having landed at that spot. And so you know, this is 374 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:59.480 simply too much to ignore. And doctor Heinech at that point that came out 375 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.800 and admitted that he now believed that this was something that we absolutely needed to 376 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.760 take a look at. But he's not the only scientist. There's others like 377 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:19.320 doctor James McDonald and doctor James Harder, and of course Stanton Friedman. He's 378 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.559 a nuclear physicist, he's been he's been studying the UFO phenomenon for many, 379 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:30.280 many years. And and then there's professionals like doctor Lynn Cataie, a medical 380 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:37.320 doctor dan in Phoenix who's been following the UFO phenomenon now since the Phoenix Lights 381 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:44.079 which she had she was an eyewitness too. So even though there are many 382 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:51.639 scientists stay away from these subjects of UFOs, there are definitely others who have 383 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:55.159 come out and have been willing to talk about it publicly and are willing to 384 00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.840 study it. So I don't think I saw it. There's definitely some hope 385 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:07.159 for the future here. And as we get further into our interview here, 386 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.159 I'll show you one reason why. I'll show you a number of reasons why 387 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:19.480 we may have something to really look for that could possibly settle the question of 388 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:27.239 how these things function. Right and well, definitely beginning into that, but 389 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:32.599 you know, just as far as what you're talking about now about these different 390 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.679 scientists being interested and you feel, you feel that it's important how we pay 391 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:45.320 attention to this phenomena. And why is that? Oh, because I believe 392 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:52.000 that by studying this phenomenon, I believe we could potentially leap frog our understanding 393 00:36:52.079 --> 00:37:02.039 of nature at its deepest levels. Because I think what's going on currently in 394 00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:09.360 modern physics, the direction of modern physics is pointing to a likely explanation of 395 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.960 how these UFOs work. And and if you if you take a look at 396 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:24.320 what's going on in in current physics, and it's very very intriguing the what's 397 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:30.079 going on because we there's now it looks like we may find evidence, for 398 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:37.280 example, of extra large dimensions. And it's these extra large dimensions that are 399 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:43.960 key to what I talk about in the book. They're one of the keys. 400 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.880 And so I think it's absolutely in my opinion, I think it's absolutely 401 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:54.039 imperative that uh, you know, the scientific community, more people get involved. 402 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:59.280 But the other thing that's I think is also critical, which I guess 403 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.159 we can talk about later, but I believe we can actually if we can 404 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:13.000 get spectrographic evidence or data from actual UFO sightings, we should be able to 405 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.679 detect a certain type of radiation. And if we do detect that type of 406 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.760 radiation, it will virtually confirm what these things, how they function, what 407 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:31.760 the technology is behind their craft. And so that's why I think this is 408 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.719 so critical. It'll become a much more clear as we get further into this. 409 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.199 But yeah, so we can as we go along here, all right, 410 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.239 great, so let's get into that the modern physics and how you feel 411 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.920 it's revealing the technology behind the UFOs. And I'll definitely be asking a lot 412 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:58.000 of questions because not everybody our mass genius is like us and understand m theory. 413 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.639 I'm just kidding. Actually, I'm into science and I and I study 414 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.760 and I've watched. I can't remember the name of the lady who's on a 415 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.960 lot talking about it, and really it's something I've been having a hard time 416 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.760 grasping. So I'll be asking you a lot of questions because hopefully through our 417 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.239 discussion I'll be able to understand this m theory a little better. But we'll 418 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.880 be getting into that. But yeah, let's get into how you believe modern 419 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.760 physics is starting to and from what you've observed, how we may be starting 420 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:34.760 to understand these technologies. Okay, the lady that you referred to might be 421 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.280 doctor Lisa Randall, Professor Randall. Yeah, I believe so is that? 422 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.320 Okay, yes, our physicist and she's actually her theory is critical to this 423 00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.679 what I'm talking about in the book, and so I'm glad you brought her 424 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.840 up. But I'll tell you what I can. I can tell you first 425 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:05.119 what I noticed about the UFOs, the data of the UFO data that is 426 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:12.280 very, very important to understanding how they work. And now I've been I've 427 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.519 been kind of studying physics for a couple of decades, now, you know. 428 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.960 When I'm on the side, I was working full time, but whenever 429 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.920 I had a chance I was reading physics books and at the same time I 430 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:30.079 was thinking about the UFO phenomenon, trying to figure out how these things worked, 431 00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:36.599 and like many many other people, Alejandro, I figured that they must 432 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:45.679 be using anti gravity. But then as I got more and more into physics, 433 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.599 I began to have some worries and doubts about the concept of anti gravity. 434 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:59.000 And the reason for that is that the gravity is different. There's four 435 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:05.800 fundamental force in nature. They are electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, which 436 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:13.320 is responsible for a radioactive decay, the strong nuclear force, which holds the 437 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:22.079 protons and the neutrons together in the nucleus and it overcomes the repulsive force of 438 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.440 the positive protons so they don't blow apart. That's the strong nuclear force, 439 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:31.480 and then gravity. So there's only those four forces electromagnetism, the weak nuclear 440 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.639 force, the strong nuclear force, and gravity. But here's the thing that 441 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:44.480 worried me. As I was trying to relate science and physics to the UFO 442 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:49.280 phenomenon, I was kind of hoping that I'd be able to figure out some 443 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.400 kind of anti gravity. But I noticed that three of the four forces of 444 00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:04.000 nature have something that's called spin quantum spin, and that's just a characteristic of 445 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:13.199 subatomic particles. All subatomic particles have three fundamental characteristics. They are their electric 446 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.840 charge, their mass, and their quantum spin. And their quantum spin isn't 447 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.559 like everyday spin. But we don't really need to go into that. The 448 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:29.079 only important thing to be aware of is that the spin of the three non 449 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.000 gravity forces of nature, the weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force, 450 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.000 and electromagnetism. Oh I'm sorry, I should mention one other thing. All 451 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:45.199 part of all forces are believed to be represented by a carrier particle, a 452 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.199 particle that carries that force. So, for example, electromagnetism is carried by 453 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:57.239 the photon, the weak nuclear force is carried by the W plus W minus 454 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:04.480 n z neutral bosons. Both suns are forced particles, and a strong nuclear 455 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.800 force is carried by a particle called the glue on And you can see where 456 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:15.519 the name comes from, glue meaning holding things together and anyway, these three 457 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:23.800 particles force carrier particles all have quantum spin of one. Okay, but gravity 458 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:32.880 has quantum spin of two, and the three non gravity forces forced particles with 459 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:39.280 quantum spin of one. Each of them have multiple charges, multiple polarity. 460 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:47.679 So as people know, the electric electromagnetic force can come in positive or negative, 461 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.199 or in terms of polarity, it can be a north pole and south 462 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:59.360 pole. And likewise, the weak nuclear force is W plus and W minus, 463 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:05.760 as well as the neutral and the gluons come in what they call color, 464 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:14.400 and so the color represents the different types of charge that that they can 465 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:20.280 have. They have three basic colors. Physicists use the analogy. They call 466 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.800 it red, blue, and green. But not that any of that's important, 467 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:29.239 but I mean other than to say that they have multiple charges. But 468 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:35.239 the graviton, which is believed to be the is the theoretical particle that is 469 00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:42.880 believed to carry the gravity force, comes in only one charge, and that's 470 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:49.360 positive gravity. That's it. And that had me pretty worried. I couldn't 471 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.039 figure out, you know, how I could get anti gravity out of something 472 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:59.559 that looked to be just a single polarity. As far as charge a question 473 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:05.920 here, And yes, it seems like the carrier particles for the week and 474 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.880 the E M and the strong. We're certain of what those particles are, 475 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:13.360 and we have a little more idea about the nature of those particles. But 476 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:19.599 you said the graviton is theoretical, which indicates we really don't know much about 477 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:24.840 gravity. Huh, well, we do, and we don't. We haven't 478 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:34.360 detected the graviton yet because and I'll explain why, the main reason why we 479 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:40.559 haven't and and and you're absolutely correct. The three non gravity forces. We 480 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:49.159 know a huge amount of information about them, and we've we've developed theories like 481 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:55.320 quantum electrodynamics and quantum chromodynamics and things like that that as well as Maxwell's laws 482 00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:04.280 of electromagnetism that explain, uh, the behavior of these other forces to a 483 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:12.320 high degree of accuracy. Unfortunately, with gravity, we have a geometric theory 484 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.760 of gravity, which is Einstein's theory of general relativity, but we don't have 485 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:22.599 a quantum theory of gravity that deals at the particle level, and that's what 486 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:30.519 we're trying to figure out. But everything right now points in the direction of 487 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:37.880 the graviton, most likely having a single polarity and being just positive. However, 488 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:50.320 this is where data from UFO encounters UFO sightings becomes important. And this 489 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:53.920 is the connection that I about a number of years ago that I made and 490 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.880 I realized that this is critical to explaining how they work. In it. 491 00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:05.119 And I can tell you a particular sighting that really caught my attention. It 492 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:12.239 was back in nineteen sixty six. It was at Wannaqueue Reservoir in northern New 493 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:19.039 Jersey, and in the sighting, Alejandro, a police officer, or actually 494 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:28.119 several police officers, had been seeing these UFOs hovering over Wannaqueu Reservoir. But 495 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:34.679 they saw something that was that when I first read their reports, I couldn't 496 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:40.119 figure out what was going on. The officers reported that when the UFO was 497 00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:47.880 hovering about ten or fifteen feet above the reservoir, an entire massive water from 498 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:54.199 the reservoir was being lifted up underneath the UFO toward the UFO, not away 499 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:59.800 from the UFO, but toward it. And the officer described He said, 500 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:05.159 the UFO might have been like one hundred feet in diameter, and the massive 501 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.280 water was probably one hundred and fifty feet in diameter underneath, and the UFO 502 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:16.960 was a typical circular UFO. And he said that the water in the reservoir, 503 00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:22.960 literally thousands and thousands of tons of water was being lifted up as in 504 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:28.960 a body where it was two or three feet above the natural level of the 505 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:37.000 reservoir. And so he just noted that in his report, and others observed 506 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:43.679 it as well. He then noticed that when the object sped away and it 507 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.199 went up over a ridge, a nearby ridge where there were a lot of 508 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:51.199 pine trees, and as it was hovering over the ridge, he noticed that 509 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:57.440 the tops of the pine trees were swirled, being swirled around and being pulled 510 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.760 together, almost as if somebody had put a lot so less so around it, 511 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:07.719 and they were tightening them together. And that was another thing when I 512 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.239 read that, that puzzled me as well, because my thinking, certainly back 513 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:16.880 in the nineteen sixties, was that these UFOs had to be using anti gravity. 514 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.280 So we shouldn't be seeing water or other objects lifted up underneath towards the 515 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:30.679 UFO from the ground, nor should we see trees being pulled together underneath the 516 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.960 UFO. To the contrary, what we should be seeing if it had anti 517 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.679 gravity, We should be seeing the water either level or being pushed down slightly, 518 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.280 and or the trees being pushed apart. But we shouldn't. It didn't 519 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:51.960 make any sense, and that was the critical clue as to how these things 520 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:57.599 work. And so I do want me to continue or yeah, no, 521 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:06.320 this is great. So anyway, I continued to read physics and stuff like 522 00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:12.239 that, and these stories that I had read over the years of the UFOs 523 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:16.559 actually lifting up objects from the ground. It puzzled me and puzzled me, 524 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.800 and I just couldn't figure it out. And that was that particular story I 525 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:27.639 told about Wanneque was only one of many many stories that were similar to that. 526 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:35.320 So around the year two thousand, toward the end of the twentieth century, 527 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.480 what was going on in physics is they were trying to unify the four 528 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:46.199 fundamental forces of nature. That's like the fund that's like the holy grail of 529 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:52.000 modern physics. And what they're actually trying to do is so like I can 530 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:57.920 give you an example. Back in the eighteen fifties, it was thought that 531 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:04.960 the electric force and the magnetic force were two separate forces. But then James 532 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:13.280 Clerk Maxwell proved mathematically that the electric force and the magnetic force were two aspects 533 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.960 of a single force, which is the electromagnetic force. And he did all 534 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.840 the math and everything that showed that, and that math indicated that there should 535 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:31.199 be waves or particles that travel at the speed of light, and that, 536 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:37.360 of course is what we call lightwaves, and so over the years and then 537 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:42.760 nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties and forties, if physics learned more and more and 538 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:50.639 they unraveled nature further and further, and I think by the nineteen seventies, 539 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:58.159 maybe by the early eighties, they had managed to unite not only the electric 540 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:07.960 and magnetic force into electroneticism, but they also united theoretically and experimentally the electromagnetic 541 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:14.320 force and the weak nuclear force, and that's referred that unification is referred to 542 00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:22.039 as the electroweak force. And the actually seen this electroweak force in particle accelerators 543 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:24.800 when they do experiments, so they know that, so they know that the 544 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:34.039 theory matches the experiment, which is very very important. Now they're working on 545 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:38.960 trying to unite the strong nuclear force with the electroweak force, so that would 546 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:43.840 if they can do that, that will actually be three of the four forces 547 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:49.320 united, and they call that theory the Grand Unified theory. It's only the 548 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.519 non gravity forces. So far, they haven't been able to do it, 549 00:52:53.159 --> 00:53:00.159 but they have some theories that look promising and they might eventually get it. 550 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:06.400 But the odd man out and all of these attempts to unify the forces of 551 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:13.079 nature is the force of gravity. And the question is why is the force 552 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:21.000 of gravity the one that they can't bring into any of these attempts at unification. 553 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:28.280 And the reason is, and this is critical to understand to understanding gravity, 554 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:35.920 The reason is is because gravity is much much weaker than the other forces 555 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.360 of nature, and in fact, and in fact, Alexandro, it's exponentially 556 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:47.079 weaker, and so much so let's say, I've got a chart here. 557 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.360 I'm just going to dig it out here. It is okay, just to 558 00:53:51.360 --> 00:54:00.239 give you an idea, the electromagnetic force is ten to the thirty six power 559 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.840 stronger than the gravity force. So let me put that in in like a 560 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:16.800 number that people can see or visualize. Imagine one, the number one followed 561 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:22.519 by thirty six zeros. You can imagine that's a big number. If you 562 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:28.199 won that at the casinos in Las Vegas and dollars, you'd be, you 563 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.039 know, in the whole world. And it has been one of the things 564 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.440 that's difficult for me to understand it. And and you know, I've listened 565 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:39.239 to Miss Randall talked about gravity being a weak force, and of course, 566 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:46.079 in our daily lives we're dealing with gravity constantly. And gravity seems pretty strong. 567 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:51.559 I mean gravity called us to the planet. You know, gravity has 568 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:57.320 a lot of effects on us, so it for a person, that apparently 569 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.880 seems to be a pretty strong force. So to think of these other forces 570 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:07.920 being so much stronger. Is there an example of that? I guess maybe 571 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:15.639 yes, I can. It's kind of a plunky example, but this will 572 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:22.239 illustrate it. If you have a pen or a pencil, hold it up 573 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.719 and or and then and then drop it into your hand, Okay, and 574 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:32.920 that's the force, that's the entire planet Earth pulling on that pencil and it 575 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.639 and yet you can stop it with your hand if you just drop the pencil 576 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:43.239 into your hand, hold your hand up above the table, and and so 577 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.440 you may think that's trivial, but it's not. If that pencil, instead 578 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:52.880 of being just in a gravity field, but if that pencil had been an 579 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.840 electron and the planet Earth down below was a proton, So then you'd be 580 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:04.599 dealing with the electroc metic force. If you did that same example there and 581 00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:08.519 you drop the electron into your hand, you could kiss your hand goodbye. 582 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:14.480 The electron would literally go right. It wouldn't even notice your hand. I 583 00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:19.519 mean, it would just your hand would be severed, and and and it's 584 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:24.599 it would just be you'd never see it again. And uh and so I 585 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:30.159 know it's kind of a clunky example, but it shows you how weak the 586 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.679 gravity force is. And and it's it's incredibly weak. It's so incredibly weak 587 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:43.440 that it's one of the problems in modern physics. And in fact, they 588 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:46.800 actually even have a name for it. And this is important to the solution 589 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:53.000 to the UFO enigma. So every the listeners should you know, pay attention 590 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:59.880 to this problem. It's the weakness of gravity versus the other forces of nature 591 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:08.800 is referred to as the hierarchy problem. And nobody currently knows exactly why gravity 592 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.480 is so weak compared to the other forces. It just doesn't seem to make 593 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:17.800 any sense. And that's why it's so difficult to study gravity, because it's 594 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.480 so incredibly weak. Even though I admit that getting up out of bed in 595 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:30.199 the morning can be tough, but nevertheless, a relative to the other forces 596 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:36.519 of nature, gravity is incredibly weak. And now we get into the solution 597 00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:44.199 to to one of the big issues in the UFO enigma, and it relates 598 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:52.840 directly to the hierarchy problem. And so what happened then I have to backtrack 599 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:58.480 a little bit here. What happened during the last couple of decades of the 600 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:05.280 twentieth century was a number of physicists were working on many, many different theories, 601 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:10.840 and they were of course trying to figure out why gravity is so weak, 602 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.159 and they were trying to unify the forces and stuff like that. And 603 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:22.760 originally, for most of the twentieth century, it was believed that subatomic particles 604 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:31.800 like electrons were infinitesimally tiny, little dimensionless points. But they were having a 605 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:39.119 lot of problems with the math. They were ending up with mathematical infinities when 606 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:46.280 they were considering that when they thought that all these subatomic particles were dimensionless points. 607 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:55.559 But finally, back in the seventies, I believe they discovered or they 608 00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:02.320 started developing, a new theory called string theory that proposes that all the subatomic 609 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:09.159 particles, instead of being dimensionless points, are actually one dimensional strings that are 610 00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:17.239 wiggling. And these are incredibly tiny strings. But it was a fantastic advanced 611 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.880 because one of the things, one of the big things that it solved, 612 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.800 was a lot of the problems with the infinities that they were mathematical infinities, 613 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:36.079 because now you had something that actually had a dimension. And so this string 614 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.920 theory continued on, and it evolved in the seventies, eighties and the nineties, 615 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:49.159 and by about nineteen ninety five it had evolved to a new theory which 616 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:54.159 was not exactly string theory but incorporated string theory. And this new theory or 617 00:59:54.199 --> 01:00:00.079 actually group of theories, is referred to as M theory M theory, and 618 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:08.119 includes not only wiggling strings, but it also includes two dimensional, three dimensional, 619 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:16.000 four dimensional membranes. And so that's where that's where we are right about 620 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:22.519 now. And and so currently, you know, over the last decade or 621 01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:30.320 so, physicists have been working on improving M theory and trying to figure more 622 01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:36.079 things from M theory. But so M theory is actually a group of theories. 623 01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:42.840 But one of the theories that comes out of M theory is called actually, 624 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:46.840 I don't think it has an actual name, but it's called eleven D 625 01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:52.960 E eight by E a theory. You know, you don't have to worry 626 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:59.599 about that. That's really the eight number refers to certain symmetries. And I 627 01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:01.400 don't want to get into that because that will take to want to explain. 628 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:08.559 But what M theory is basically proposing, or one of these theories that comes 629 01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:15.360 out of M theory, is that we may live all of the universe that 630 01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:21.079 you can see around us, the distant stars, distant galaxies, we may 631 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:30.480 live on a four dimensional space time membrane. And it's thought that this space 632 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:38.079 time membrane is floating in a larger five dimensional space time. So the best 633 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:45.679 way to visualize this would be to take a piece of paper, and of 634 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:51.239 course we live in three spatial dimensions, not counting time. And now just 635 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.960 take up a piece of paper in your hand, and eight and a half 636 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:58.280 by eleven piece of paper, and just hold it up, and you can 637 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:06.679 visualize that as an analogy. The paper's only two dimensions, but you can 638 01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.760 think of that as the space time four dimensional space time membrane we live in. 639 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:15.719 And you can see that as it can float around in front of you 640 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:19.519 in the air, in the three dimensional air in front of you. And 641 01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:25.119 that's exactly what they think something along those lines, that our entire universe is 642 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:32.480 sitting on a four dimensional membrane that's floating around in a larger five dimensional space 643 01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:39.840 time. And it's thought that at least one other space time four dimensional space 644 01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:45.519 time membrane is existing out there as well. That's parallel to the space time 645 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:51.480 membrane that we live on. And here's where it gets interesting as far as 646 01:02:51.519 --> 01:03:00.760 the UFO phenomenon goes. Doctor Randall from Harvard University was one of her. 647 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:07.159 One of the things that she was working on was trying to solve the hierarchy 648 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:14.599 problem. So she and another physicist, doctor Ramond Syndrome from John Hopkins University, 649 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:20.440 they came up with a theory that is referred to as warped geometry. 650 01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.440 And let me just get a drink of water here for a second. Yeah, 651 01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.239 no problem. I like that name. And I'll make another note while 652 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.320 you're getting some water, is that this drink theory. One of the people 653 01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:37.199 who work on it is Mitchell Okaku, famous theoretical physicists who also believes that 654 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.920 UFOs deserved to be researched some more. But just a little aside while you're 655 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:46.679 getting a drink. Oh yes, thank you for mentioning it, because he's 656 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:53.159 one of the few practicing physicists who's been willing to stick his neck out and 657 01:03:53.559 --> 01:04:00.480 suggests that we really should be looking at this phenomenon. But anyway, warped 658 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:06.800 geometry theory that doctor Randall and doctor Sundram came up with. They postulate that 659 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:14.639 the four dimensional membrane that we live on, they call it the weak membrane 660 01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:18.159 w E a K. And the week relates to the weak nuclear force, 661 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:25.960 which is kind of the energy level that our membrane around, the energy level 662 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:32.679 that exists on our membrane that we live on. And so this is all 663 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:39.000 explained a little more in more detail in my book. But then they thought 664 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:45.280 that maybe the other membrane that's parallel to ours is warped in such a way 665 01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:56.159 that it attracts ninety nine point nine percent of all the gravity in the universe 666 01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:02.320 to its surface, and that then explains the hierarchy problem. Here's what's going 667 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:10.320 on. So they what their theory says is that the strength of gravity becomes 668 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:16.239 exponentially greater the further away you get from the weak brain, the four dimensional 669 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:21.159 membrane that we live on that our universe is in, and it gets and 670 01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:28.880 gravity gets exponentially stronger as you get closer to the gravity membrane, which is 671 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:33.440 believed it's also referred to as the plank membrane p L A n c K 672 01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:40.199 named after Max Plank, a German physicist who was one of the founders of 673 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:46.960 quantum mechanics. But anyway, what's exciting about this is that it explains why 674 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:53.880 gravity is so much weaker than the other forces of nature, because it turns 675 01:05:53.920 --> 01:06:03.920 out that many of these m theory sub theories believe that all the particles in 676 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:09.679 nature, all the subaton particles, whether there are matter particles like an electron, 677 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:16.599 or whether they're forced particles like a photon, are open strings, and 678 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:23.360 the two ends of that string are thought to be attached to the four dimensional 679 01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:29.400 membrane that we live on, the weak membrane in doctor Randall's theory, so 680 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:35.480 that they cannot leave the four dimensional universe that we live in. However, 681 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:43.159 of all the forces in nature and matter particles, there is one force particle 682 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:48.039 that is believed not to be an open string but to be a closed loop, 683 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:55.400 okay, and that is the graviton. And because the graviton is believed 684 01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:00.320 to be a closed loop, it's two ends, so it doesn't have two 685 01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:04.760 open ends, which would be stuck on the four D membrane like all the 686 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:12.280 other particles that were used to so that would allow the graviton of all the 687 01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:16.159 other particles in nature force in matter particles, It would allow the graviton, 688 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:23.000 and only the graviton to travel to go anywhere it likes in the five dimensional 689 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:29.880 space time. So it actually leaves our four dimension most of them anyway, 690 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:35.199 leave our four dimensional space time membrane and travel into the what they call the 691 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:44.679 bulk bulk, which is considered that space between the weak membrane where we live 692 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.960 and the strong membrane, I mean the strong gravity membrane, the plank brain, 693 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:56.880 which is worth than that's attracting most of the gravitons in the larger five 694 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:03.480 dimensional universe, and that explains why gravity is so weak. Virtually every graviton 695 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:10.599 in the universe is much closer to the gravity brain than it is to the 696 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.319 four dimensional weak membrane where our universe is located, and that's why gravity is 697 01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:21.199 so weak. However, here's this is the this, this is the solution 698 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:30.279 to a big piece of the UFO question enigma. I believe these UFOs have 699 01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:38.560 figured out how to get how to leave our weak membrane and penetrate into that 700 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.800 into the bulk, that five dimensional space between these two other membrane, these 701 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:48.439 two membranes, and if they are able to do that, that's how they're 702 01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:53.800 able to get to other star systems. Here's how they do it. General 703 01:08:53.800 --> 01:09:03.239 relativity tells us that when gravity is strong, that distances shrink. Okay, 704 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:10.760 so if you're in a strong gravity field, then the stronger the gravity field, 705 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.680 the shorter the distance or what they call geodesic is between two points, 706 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:21.720 it gets smaller and smaller. And that's exactly how I think these UFOs are 707 01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:28.279 going from one star system to another. They're penetrating into this bulk, and 708 01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:34.199 they go deep enough in Alejandro to the point where the distance between other stars 709 01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:40.840 is very small. And I actually was able to do a calculation to demonstrate 710 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:45.079 how effective this would be. If all they have to do is go in 711 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:53.119 as far into the bulk where the force of gravity is only one ten thousandth 712 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:59.439 as strong as its maximum strength, and just that short distance going into the 713 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:04.760 five to men bulk, the distance between our star and Alpha Centauri, the 714 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:12.439 closest star system to us, shrinks to just twenty five miles. Isn't that 715 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:16.880 amazing? And so that's how I think they would have to accumulate this massive 716 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:23.319 amount of gravity or relatively, I guess large amount of gravity to do that. 717 01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.880 I'm going to explain that next. But that's a very good question. 718 01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:34.079 That's a very good question. I'm glad. I didn't want to overwhelm the 719 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.960 audience and everything with too much physics. You know, I needed a little 720 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:44.560 break there, and you provided it there. You're exactly right. How the 721 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.239 heck do they get in there? Well, I believe I know how they 722 01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:57.880 get in there. They if the theories if m theory and if warped geometry, 723 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.520 the one of the theory of doctor Randall and doctor Sundrome. If these 724 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:09.439 theories are correct, one of the things that they expect to find are a 725 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:17.600 certain modes of particles, because particles that if this extra dimension exists, this 726 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:29.800 fifth dimension, then they believe that any gravitons. They believe that there are 727 01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:35.600 certain gravit a type of graviton called a Kaluza Kleine graviton is going to exist 728 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:45.520 that will be much much stronger than the ordinary massless graviton that carries the gravity 729 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:55.359 force here on our four dimensional membrane. So what they believe is that, 730 01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:02.840 uh, these gravitons are able to vibrate in this fifth dimension, and the 731 01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.760 more they vibrate, they can go into different mos that can vibrate. They 732 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:11.960 can oscillate once or twice or three times, all the way up to hundreds 733 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:17.000 of times, you know. And the more times that they oscillate than in 734 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:24.600 that extra dimension, the greater the energy that they have, and that energy 735 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:30.760 can translate into mass. And so it's believed that these kk guziklion gravitons, 736 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:36.119 some of them will have mass, and not only that, but they'll be 737 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:47.159 tremendously they'll have tremendously powerful gravitational attraction and only attraction. And it's believed that 738 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:53.399 their gravitational attraction will be on the order of the most powerful ones will be 739 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:59.680 on the order of ten to the sixteen power stronger than the ordinary graviton that 740 01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:06.359 we're used to in everyday life. So imagine a graviton that is stronger by 741 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:13.680 a factor of one, followed by sixteen zeros Okay, not one hundred times 742 01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.720 more stronger, not a thousand, ten million, not ten billion, but 743 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:23.880 a gazillion, gazillion gazillion. And so these are going to be incredibly powerful 744 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:31.000 gravitons. And I believe what these so we expect to be creating these Kalusikling 745 01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:39.640 gravitons in a large hadron collider, and they should be very we should be 746 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:51.199 able to detect them because these KK gravitons will in turn create micro black holes, 747 01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:58.399 and so everybody's probably heard of these micro black holes. But these Michael 748 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.800 black holes, in turn, they won't last very long. Ago only last 749 01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:10.720 for much much less than less than a nanosecond nanosecond, and these micro black 750 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:15.680 holes would decay quickly. However, when they decay, they'll put out a 751 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:23.479 certain type of radiation called Hawking radiation. And so we should be able to 752 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:29.319 detect that at the large Hadron collider particle accelerator over in Geneva, Switzerland. 753 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:38.279 That accelerator won't reach full power until I think twenty fourteen, but it's potentially 754 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:43.479 possible we might create some micro black holes in it before then. And so 755 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:48.359 anyway, I believe the way these things are working, Alejandra, is they 756 01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:54.359 are I think one of the reasons, as I mentioned earlier in the interview, 757 01:14:54.760 --> 01:15:00.800 the reason why they are circular. They always have some part or aspect 758 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.000 of the craft that's circular. In other words, the craft will either be 759 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:09.840 cylindrical. These UFOs, it'll be either cylindrical, it'll be a sphere, 760 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:14.359 or it'll be a disc, a flying saucer, or it might be one 761 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:18.960 of these triangle UFOs, but it will have large, brightly lit circles in 762 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:26.720 each corner. And I believe the reason that they all have a circular aspect 763 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:34.800 to them is because these flying saucers are particle accelerators. That's what I think 764 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:41.760 they are. And here's where it here's where the whole thing comes together. 765 01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:50.479 I believe what they're doing these they're smashing subatomic particles together in the rim area 766 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:57.840 of these UFOs, and they are first creating KK gravitons, which in turn 767 01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:03.680 induce the creation of microblank coals. And these micro black holes are very very 768 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:11.359 important because I see, I've been looking in physics archives. You can go 769 01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:18.159 to these sites on the web where physicists post discussions about the work that they're 770 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:21.479 doing or the theories that they're working on. And one of the things I've 771 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:29.880 been doing is going into these sites that talk about micro black holes and micro 772 01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:32.279 Now here's and now this is where it gets real exciting, and this is 773 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:40.640 how the UFOs work. And so it's This is where you definitely want to 774 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:45.239 pay attention of a audience, because this is how I believe they work, 775 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:49.079 and and I believe we can prove it by gathering a certain certain types of 776 01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:56.079 data. But it turns out when I studied these papers that physicists were writing 777 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:59.399 about micro black holes, which we think we're going to be creating in the 778 01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:03.720 large age of collider, one of the things that I noticed was that they 779 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:11.000 talked about how these micro black holes would absorb everything in sight. Okay, 780 01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.039 and the thought occurred to me, I said, I thought to myself, 781 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:17.640 I said to you, if they absorb, if the micro black hole can 782 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:23.479 absorb like a molecule of air, if it can absorb a photon, that's 783 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:27.119 what they mean when they see a black hole, they mean things going into 784 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.840 it can't get out, so it appears black as far as we can't see 785 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:38.800 it. And however, actually in reality they're not black, but that's not 786 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:43.880 important right now. But anyway, these micro black holes, I realized, 787 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:48.319 we're absorbing everything. And the thought occurred to me, if they're absorbing electrons 788 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:56.960 and protons and atoms and molecules of air and dust, any kind of junk. 789 01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:02.680 This line near the UFO then, but they also absorb gravitons, the 790 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:10.560 four D gravitons that the Earth emits, and those gravitons are what keep us 791 01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:15.239 pin to the Earth. So I wondered about that, and so I kept 792 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:20.239 reading these papers, and sure enough, I soon came across some papers that 793 01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:28.720 just as an aside, they mentioned that these micro black holes are swallowing four 794 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:36.079 dimensional gravitons. Okay, that in and of itself is very exciting because it 795 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:42.159 means that these gravitons are being swallowed by micro black holes. In otherwis the 796 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:45.920 UFOs were able to get rhythm. But what I was worried about is when 797 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:51.399 a micro black hole decays. When it decays, does it emit four dimensional 798 01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:57.520 gravitons. Well, it doesn't, And in fact, the only thing it 799 01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:02.680 emits back on to the four dimensional membrane, the weak membrane that we live 800 01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:11.920 on, is hawking radiation, which does not include gravitons. However, However, 801 01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:15.399 here's the here's the key. Most of the energy that's absorbed by the 802 01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:20.760 micro black hole, when the micro black hole decays, most of that energy 803 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:27.520 is emitted not back onto our four dimensional membrane, but goes into the five 804 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.600 dimensional bulk. That is, we don't even see it on our four dimensional 805 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:36.079 membrane. It just disappears, and it actually ends up as five dimensional gravitons 806 01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:42.000 and other stuff that's dumped into the bulk. And that's what they do. 807 01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:45.279 Now, these are theories, but I believe they're correct and or at least 808 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:50.439 they're on the right track. And so that explains how UFOs work. What 809 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:56.640 they're doing is they're creating these millions, millions, perhaps of these micro black 810 01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:05.479 holes that are absorbing any gravitons that are emitted by Planet Earth and any gravitons 811 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:11.600 that are emitted by the UFO itself. So all these gravitons are sucked up 812 01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:18.239 by the micro black holes and dissipated either back as Hawking radiation onto our four 813 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:26.199 dimensional membrane or they disappear from our world entirely and go into the five dimensional 814 01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:30.520 bulk. And so what this means, what this means, Alejandro, is 815 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:36.920 that this is not anti gravity. Instead, it is reducing the gravity force 816 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.720 to near zero. And that's how these UFOs are eliminating the force of gravity. 817 01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:46.680 And that's how they're doing it. All right, So we're about out 818 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.840 of time already we've but I guess to get to the area because I know 819 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:56.800 one important aspect of what you've talked about is how we prove this and how 820 01:20:56.840 --> 01:21:01.079 we would be able to detect whether or not this is the technology they're using. 821 01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:06.720 And that's and that is the most exciting thing of all. And if 822 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:11.560 and if if I won the lottery and had the money, I'd do it 823 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:18.399 myself. So I'm working on winning the lottery. But yet they but I 824 01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:25.479 see that, and and this is really exciting because if these UFOs are particle 825 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:30.880 accelerators, if they are creating kk graph tons, and if they are inducing 826 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:35.119 the creation of micro black holes that are swallowing, swallowing the four dimensional grapht 827 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:44.199 tons from our planet and from the UFO itself, the then when those micro 828 01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:48.279 black holes decay, they should give off something that is referred to as hawking 829 01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:54.159 radiation. Now, hawking radiation kind of looks like a normal curve, but 830 01:21:54.239 --> 01:22:00.680 it's but it'll be at a specific temperature, and and and and and this 831 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:08.119 is also exciting. No, although hawking every all physicists are virtually most physicists 832 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:15.680 believe that hawking radiation exists. It was predicted by doctor Professor Stephen Hawking. 833 01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:25.159 And but nobody has ever seen hawking radiation. They are hoping to see it 834 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:30.640 in the Large Hadron collider. But what if those of us who are studying 835 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:41.359 the UFO phenomenon are able to put together the spectroscopic devices to detect hawking radiation 836 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.800 and and actually and if we you know, occasionally they'll have UFO waves in 837 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:54.439 a particular area, like the Phoenix lights. And uh so, for example, 838 01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.720 let me give a perfect, perfect example here when doctor Lynn Katai, 839 01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:05.520 when she was on her alcony, she spotted three orbs a UFO orbs that 840 01:23:05.600 --> 01:23:10.840 were probably only I don't know, maybe a couple hundred yards from her house 841 01:23:11.359 --> 01:23:16.079 in near Phoenix or in Phoenix. And if she had had one of these 842 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:23.000 spectrographic devices and had been able to point it at the UFO, she could 843 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:29.039 have gathered this critical data that would have allowed us we could have analyzed it 844 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:38.079 and seen if these UFOs were emitting Hawking radiation. If incredibly, if those 845 01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:43.279 of us were studying the UFO phenomenon, if we are the first to detect 846 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.920 hawking radiation and confirm it with a couple of other sightings around the country or 847 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:54.760 around the world. Then this would be a showstopper. It would. It 848 01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:00.000 would this is the most amazing part of all. It would actually if if 849 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:04.920 the scientific community then came agreed that this was worth taking a look at, 850 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:12.000 they put together their own UH teams of people to go and detect this UH 851 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:18.279 the radiation being omitted by UFOs, and they too detected Hawking radiation. Then 852 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:23.359 I can tell you at that point we virtually know we can almost say for 853 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:30.640 certain how these UFOs function, how they work, and and and so I 854 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:35.600 want to point out one more thing too. A number of investigators over the 855 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:42.239 years have been trying to figure out what kind of radiation is omitted by UFOs. 856 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:47.560 And one of the UH top guys who investigated these things was doctor Paul 857 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:54.840 Hill. He's a NASA scientist and he's he was an early UFO investigator and 858 01:24:54.920 --> 01:25:00.039 doctor Hill, although he his his book was published post morton after he died, 859 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:09.800 he investigated them what type of radiation was coming out of these UFOs, 860 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:15.880 and he found evidence of gamma rays, X rays, and higher frequency light 861 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.199 emissions in the visible spectrum. Now, gamma rays and X rays, of 862 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:24.920 course, they're not in the visible spectrum. They're outside of that, but 863 01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:31.439 he did have evidence of gamma rays. And this is very exciting because it 864 01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:36.640 turns out that one of the things that Stephen Hawking predicted is that when micro 865 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:43.319 black holes or any type of when micro black holes decay, they he expects 866 01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:50.760 them to emit bursts of gamma rays. And here they and here we already 867 01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:58.920 have evidence of gamma rays from actual UFO sightings. In fact, many people 868 01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:03.159 in the audience will be familiar with a guy with the name of Stephen nick 869 01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:08.279 Alock. I think that's how you pronounce his name. He was a Canadian 870 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:15.720 prospector or amateur prospector, and he approached a UFO that had landed on the 871 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:23.600 ground, and he walked up to it, and he tried to communicate with 872 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:27.239 it, you know, but he got no response or anything. But as 873 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:30.800 he was standing next to it, the outer rim of this thing was rotating 874 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:36.359 and something like a vent came directly in front of him, and it had 875 01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:40.880 a grid pattern on the vent, and he said, suddenly there was a 876 01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:45.079 blast of hot air from the vent to hit him in the chest and it 877 01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:48.880 ignited his clothes, his shirt and he had to rip off his shirt because 878 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:53.279 it was burning and then he ran, he ran away from this thing and 879 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:58.640 it took off. He finally made his way back to civilization because he was 880 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:02.600 up in the hills and I think it was in British Columbia or someplace out 881 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:10.760 there. And anyway, doctors examined him and they finally concluded that he had 882 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:18.319 been exposed to a brief burst of gamma rays. Isn't that interesting? And 883 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:25.359 he's not isn't that interesting? So here we have virtually first hand evidence that 884 01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:29.920 these things are emitting gamma rays and certainly the other types of radiation too, 885 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:35.560 But that's key to the decay of micro black holes gamma rays. And there 886 01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:43.079 aren't many ordinary sources of gamma rays in the natural environment. They do occur 887 01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:50.439 on a very small scale with radioactive decay, and you know, like a 888 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:55.199 like a granite rock may have an occasional gamma ray come out of it, 889 01:27:55.239 --> 01:28:01.479 but not in the kind of concentrations that burn uh Stephen Mclock up in Canada 890 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:10.880 there. And that's yeah, I was just go ahead, I'm sorry, 891 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:17.319 yeah, and oh yeah, yeah, so what I'm uh so my objective 892 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:25.279 here and and I hope there are listeners out there that perhaps have expertise in 893 01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:31.079 the use. They have access to an expertise in the use of spectrographic equipment, 894 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:40.800 and perhaps we can put together an organization of volunteers or that we could 895 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:47.000 get out there in the field and and try to detect this hawking radiation if 896 01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:51.279 it's being admitted by these UFOs, and I should I should add one caveat 897 01:28:51.359 --> 01:29:00.159 here. Uh. Unfortunately, spectrographic equipment could be a little expensive because the 898 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:06.760 visible spectrum is probably relatively inexpensive that type of equipment, But detecting gamma rays 899 01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:13.199 and X rays and stuff like that would be a bit more complicated, and 900 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:20.119 you would have to calibrate or correlate all of the emissions from the UFO because 901 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:27.680 the different types of equipment would gather the emissions in different ways. And so 902 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.800 it's somehow, But I'm sure there are experts out there that can figure out 903 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.520 how to do that, because they're already trying to do that at the Large 904 01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:40.680 Hadron Collider, So I'm sure there are experts that know how to correlate the 905 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:46.199 data from different sources of different types of instruments, you know. But anyway, 906 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:51.439 that's the objective, that's the goal, that's what I hope to achieve 907 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:57.560 by doing these talks on online radio shows and around the country, you know, 908 01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.680 wherever I can get a general it's some interest in this, but anyway, 909 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.960 that's the goal. This has been really interesting. I think you've been 910 01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:10.239 able to describe your theory, and of course your book is on Amazon Solving 911 01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:13.720 the UFO Enigma. And then how would people get a hold of you if 912 01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:21.680 they wanted to. Oh, my email is Bob Ufo at aol dot com. 913 01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:27.199 Okay, Bob Ufo at aol dot com. I'd love to hear from 914 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:33.359 people that you know might be able to help out on trying to you know, 915 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:39.119 who have access to this type of equipment or expertise in the use of 916 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:43.279 it. That would be terrific. Well, thank you so much for being 917 01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:47.640 on the show. Yeah, thank you for having me and much appreciated. 918 01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:55.159 All Right, Bobufo at aol dot com if you have a gamma ray detector 919 01:30:55.880 --> 01:31:00.000 or if you are interested in contacting him on his ideas. So what a 920 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.560 great show. Thank you so much Robert Schroeder for being on the show. 921 01:31:03.760 --> 01:31:10.039 Check out his book UFOs and Modern Physics. You can find it on Amazon. 922 01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.680 As for the show, we are out of time. Thank you so 923 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:20.680 much for listening. Don't forget to visit visit ufodailynews dot com that's ufodailynews dot 924 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:26.319 com for all of your latest UFO news, including those stories we talked about 925 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:29.920 earlier in the show. Thank you so for so much for listening, and 926 01:31:29.960 --> 01:32:10.239 we will talk to you next week. Ash