Welcome to the UFO Thinktank Craigier with your host Alejandro rojan Ello Andrew, Welcome
to UFO Think Tank Radio. I am your host, Alejandro Rojas, and
I am very happy to be here with you. Yet again, we have
a great show. Today. We have Robert Schroeder and he's going to talk
about UFOs and modern physics. Not unlike a couple of shows ago when we
had David Paris this he as a gentleman who has done a lot of work
looking into how UFOs operate, and he's very up to date on modern physics
and he's drawing some connections. Hey man, I think I can talk to
how UFOs operate. We might be able to measure some effects from these UFO
sidings to prove that this is the case. Very interesting show, as you
all know. I love UFO science and getting science involved with all of this
and trying to move it forward that way, and that's what this show is
all about. Robert has written a book called Solving the UFO Enigma. How
modern physics is revealing the technologies of UFOs. So we're going to talk all
about Robert. How he got here. He's actually an engineer for many years,
and we'll talk about his background also. So this is very exciting.
I think you're gonna love it, and we have a lot to talk about.
So actually I'm gonna truncate the news a little bit into about eight minutes.
And also because I'm busting at the seams and i just can't keep this
from you all anymore. If you're in to UFOs and science and space science,
you're gonna love something I am working on specially just for you, which
is a conference with some media people and some scientists, and we're gonna talk
about space UFOs and the search for extraterrestrial life, astrobiology, you know,
Kepler and all of this planet hunting that's going on, physics and mathematics,
and we're gonna have all these PhDs. We're gonna have, you know,
a lot off. If you have buddies who you're like, man, you
know, they're real skeptics, they're real science minded, they're engineers or scientists,
and you're like, you know, I don't know if I want to
take them to some of these other conferences. They're going to think this stuff's
a little too fringe. Then this is a conference for you. Please bring
your skeptic buddies. It's going to be reasonable priced, and it's going to
be in Las Vegas, Nevada, the first weekend of October, at the
beautiful Tropic Canna the middle of the Strip. So I am talking first class,
first class place bowled out there. They're going to have this up on
the Marquee on the Strip, across the street from Excaloper and Luxor and MGM,
in the middle of everything, not hidden away in some side room.
We are going to have, uh, just in an incredible event. I'm
going to talk to you more about that in a little while. I don't
have the side up, I don't have all the speakers confirmed, and I
don't have time to talk too much on it now, but I want I'm
to let you know it's also going to be extremely affordable, probably less than
practically any conference out there. But anyway, it's gonna beautiful. It's gonna
be great. You guys are gonna love it. Wanted to get you you
a little heads up because we're gonna have limited space. But I need to
get into some news of the week now. I talked about this last week,
but I wrote my own story up at Ufodailynews dot com. And this
is about the Viking Mars mission possibly finding life. And the reason I'm bringing
it up again is because I wrote this story and in fact, i'm reporting
here from the UFO Daily news room. And by the way, you know
this site, if you go to it, it's awesome. If you go
to the UFO News speed, you're gonna have UFO News updated on a regular
basis. You're gonna be like, wow, this is incredible. This has
never been done before, and you're right because it hasn't. And if you
want to help write for UFO Daily News, I would love to have some
volunteers and work with some of you out there, so please email me at
info at ufodailynews dot com, Info at ufodailynews dot com or Alejandro at ufodailynews
dot com. Some of you can't spell that, that's fine. Really,
I've got it set up for anything you put before at ufodailynews dot com.
It's gonna get to me. So yeah, if you want to write about
some of this stuff, like the Viking Mars mission finding life, what happened
and this is really cool is that this University of Southern California scientist his name
is Joseph Miller. He's a biologist and a neuropharmacologist, so he looked at
that data. And what they've done is put together this mathematical equation that can
kind of or a program that can look at this data from the soil and
determine whether it is from organic living matter or not. He says, he's
ran experiments here on the Earth and it's always been accurate. The soil with
organics in it shows that it is more complex than the soil without. He
ran these experiments with the numbers that were retrieved from the Viking missions in the
late seventies to Mars, and he says, without a doubt, it shows
that there's living bacteria in the soil. He says, he's ninety nine percent
sure there is life in this bacteria. That is fascinating news, I think,
he says. Some critics have said that this mathematical system has not been
proven yet, it's not completely adopted by everyone, and so they haven't taken
this as hard proof yet, but it's certainly very strong evidence. What he
says is that we need to send a microscope out there to look to see
if we can see some bacteria moving around in the soil. And unfortunately,
although we are sending a new probe out there which is going to be there
soon, this probe, the Curiosity Rover, it doesn't have a microsof like
that, and that's really unfortunate. Why not, I mean, why not
put this thing to rest and have the equipment on this new rover that you're
sending out there. So that's very unfortunate, but he's hopeful that this rover
will find more evidence. Without being able to take video of microbes moving around
in the soil, there's not going to be hard proof, but at least
more evidence which we already have that mounting more and more every day. Speaking
of robotic pros, there's been some interesting news out there from another professor who
wrote in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society about robots and how he thinks
in order to find et we need to build self replicating robots, and he's
talking about building these robots on the Moon that build themselves and they go out
there and just search and search and they have the ability us a search for
signs of life and fly around and do all this discovery. Very interesting idea
and what a sci fi advanced type of theory he has. In fact,
he even talks about how most likely that if there are intelligent civilizations out there,
they're probably doing this too. His quote is, if they're like us,
they too have a dysfunctional government and all the other problems plaguing us,
they won't want to spend a lot of time to communicate with us. He
thinks they'll send out robots and things, and who knows, perhaps that is
largely what we see with these UFOs. We're possibly seeing probes often, So
very interesting there. Before I get into some you know, more interesting UFO
news, this is something really cool here, and I'm just going to give
you a little teaser. Really, this is UC Berkeley who used to manage
the Allen Telescope Array, and this is your array I talked about recently that
was turned off for a period of time for a lack of funding, which
spawned a bunch of stories about SETI being shut down. They weren't really shut
down, they just were not able to use their primary source, There's telescope
array to search for signals anymore. However, they got funding and it was
put back online. Well now that Allen Telescope Array has moved management It's now
going to be managed by SRII International, which is a nonprofit organization. SRII
used to be the Stanford Research Institute, and that's where SRII comes from.
And SRI did some interesting stuff with remote viewing. So these remote viewing people,
they essentially created remote viewing. They didn't create the psychic phenomena that allowed
remote viewing. They just kind of named it remote viewing. Now they are
managing the search for extraterrestrial life. I think that's really interesting. And I'm
going to write a story on this that I'll have up on the Huffington Posts
and I'll probably tell you more about that next week. Anderson Cooper, if
you don't know, has a daytime television show now and tomorrow. He is
featuring people who believe they're abducted by aliens and he's going to be talking about
UFO sidings. So this is pretty exciting. Anderson Cooper his television show The
John Ventry, who is the I think it's actually venture. I've had him
on the show before, but he is the Pennsylvania MoveOn director. He's going
to be on the show and they're going to be talking about some sightings in
that area. So that's really interesting. Anderson Cooper, if you're home during
the day check it out or set your TV. You're going to want to
check that out. And you know they're going to have a couple of dictees,
they're going to have UFO wines is, and hopefully they'll be taking all
this seriously. It ought to be really interesting. I'm of course interested to
see how that turns out. Other news CBS in Florida wrote about something that
our good buddy le Spiegel wrote about recently, which is this Marine Reserve squadron
pilot who in nineteen seventy five had his own UFO sighting. And this is
going to be featured in John Alexander's new book coming out. And actually Lise
Spiegel of the Huffington Post wrote about this recently, so that news has spread
out some more. And I guess my last piece before we go is this
exciting story that actually our good buddy Jason McClellan found, and this is that
the World's Fair in San Diego County is going to be called out of this
world. So the twenty twelve World's Fair or I'm sorry, not World's Fair,
County Fair in San Diego I guess this Out of this World fair so
really interesting. They're gonna have kind of a UFO alien themed county fair out
there in San Diego. And San Diego of course has wonderful weather, so
that's really interesting, and I think I need to look into checking that out
because June here is a little unbearable and I'd like to drive just a few
hours to San Diego to check it out. So this is really I think
that's quite fascinating. Even if you look at the picture, you know,
the out and Out of this World has a picture of like kind of the
head of an alien, great type of figure. So that is the news,
ladies and gentlemen for this week. Because there's so much science and stuff
to talk about. I really want to get into this interview with Robert Schroeder.
So let's go ahead and talk to Robert. All right, I'm very
happy to have right Robert Schroeder on with me. Hello, Robert, Hi,
al Andre, How you doing good? Good? How are you?
How fantastic? I'm really excited to have you on the show. You know,
I love to talk about the science of UFOs, and I think that's
what you know, a lot of people, people don't realize there is work
going on. There is more than just sightings and recording of sightings. There's
great people like you doing some work out there to figure out some of the
mechanics behind some of these things. And so it's really exciting to have you
on and to talk about your new book, Solving the UFNO Enigma. How
modern physics is revealing the technology of UFOs. Oh yeah, thank you for
having me on the show too, My pleasure. My first question, I
guess, is to get into how this all came about. How was it
and when was it that you started to take the UFO phenomena seriously. Okay,
I can tell you I'm probably like a lot of people who've gotten involved
in the UFO phenomenon in studying it. Way back in nineteen fifty seven,
I was just twelve years old, and I come from New Jersey, Northern
New Jersey, a little town called Teeneck, and it's only a couple of
miles west of Manhattan, a little bit west of the Hudson River. And
anyway, one day, I mean and I ad met. Even though I
was only twelve, I had very good eyesight, and even at that age,
I loved science and in fact, I come from a family of scientists
and engineers. But I was standing out in the front yard of our house
in Teeneck, and the anyway, I was in the yard and the house
was on the west side of me, and I looked over at the peak
of the roof of the house and I saw what looked like it was about
five pm. It was around November, very very early November nineteen fifty fifty
seven, and I saw what looked like a cylinder in the sky, but
looked very very high up. It looked like at about the height of jet
airplanes, and it was and they had just bowling seven oh seven had just
come out at that time, nineteen fifty six fifty seven. So anyway,
I saw this cylinder going overhead I and I looked at it, and I
thought, what the heck is that? Because I had seen plenty of airplanes,
but this was the only the first time I had seen an airplane that
didn't look like it had wings, and so it totally baffled me. And
it was just appearing over the peak of the roof of our house only because
the house hid it, but it was obviously way way up in the sky.
And then as I'm watching it, I noticed that the front of the
cylinder was perfectly blunt, and the back was blun too. It was just
squared off. In fact, if anything, it looked like a cigarette,
but of one consistent color from front to back. It was just kind of
a gold color. And so I'm watching it, and then all of a
sudden, coming over the peak of the roof of the house, comes another
object, a round object that's about two lengths of the cylinder behind it the
first cylinder, and they're obviously flying together in tandem, and the round object
was following the cylinder of the long cylinder, and at that point helandro.
I really I realized I was looking at something really strange. And yeah,
no, Sputnik had just gone up, I guess about a month before,
and so my thinking, my first thought, I was just a kid,
I guess. My first thought was, gee, maybe that's the rocket,
and maybe that's Sputnik. But I'm trying to figure out why Sputnik would be
behind the rocket. And also I couldn't figure out why the rocket would still
be up there in space. Shouldn't that have fallen back down into the atmosphere.
And then I suddenly realized from you know, reading the papers and stuff,
that Sputnik was only the size of the beach ball. And I knew
that, And I also knew that Sputnik was about one hundred miles up,
so I knew at one hundred miles there's simply no way that I could see
a beach ball. And at that point, at that instant, I realized
that this was something really really strange, and that's what got me going,
and I just want to add one more thing and then I'll let this go.
Over the years, I began, you know, occasionally, as I
had time, I began to study the UFO subject, the subject of UFOs,
and one of the things that I found was that they have these waves
when many, many UFOs are spotted around given area of the world, like
one country or a region of countries, as in Europe, and they'll have
these UFO waves that will last for you know, a couple of months or
six months, or even a year. And I discovered a few years later
that there had been a gigantic UFO wave in November of nineteen fifty seven in
the United States, exactly when I had seen that of those two objects,
and that really got my attention, and I realized literally at that instant,
that very likely we were being visited by extraterrestrial civilizations. At that instant,
I knew it, and I know a lot of other people who have seen
these things have come to that realization too, under similar circumstances. But anyway,
that's how I got into it in a Okay, great, yeah,
interesting. I mean that sounds like an incredible signing, much more incredible than
any sighting I've had. So I'm kind of jealous of you there. Oh
yeah, but there will be more than yeah, I guess with your sighting.
You know, sometimes people come to different conclusions other than the extraterrestrial one.
Why what makes you certain that it's an extraterrestrial phenomena? Okay, I
admit that's a conjecture, but my thinking is that that we now know that
there are I mean, even back then, there was a suspicion that many
many stars of our type, which is called a G star and astronomical lingo,
it was thought that many many other stars had planets going around them just
like ours, and so my thinking was that probably intelligent creatures had evolved in
other planets as well. That's in the most likely explanation. And now,
of course, most people are aware that astronomers have detected I think hundreds,
if not over a thousand extrasolar planets, and they're even at the point where
they're hoping to be able to get information spectrographic information on the atmosphere of planets
going around other stars, and if they detect things like methane or something like
that, that would be an indication of life or or probably of life.
And so so it's getting pretty exciting, and I think the science is definitely
beginning to back up the conjecture that there may be other, many, many
other civilizations out there, and it's just a matter of time before we detect
them. And so that's my thinking. And I do realize there are other
possibilities, you know, like people coming in a time machine back, you
know, from the future to the past and things like that. But I
know that very you know, a very accomplished physicists like Stephen Hawking discount the
possibility of time travel and they point out that and this guy's you know,
he really knows the math of general relativity and stuff, and his argument is
that there are certain mathematical contradictions that just wouldn't allow it. You know,
it would be it'd be fun if if you could do it, but I
don't think you can. However, just the ability to go from other planets
to our planet, extra solar planets to our planet is incredible enough by itself,
and so I think that that alone interests me tremendously, right. Yeah,
I just think it's kind of interesting because I think you can argue that
using Akham's razor, the extraterrestrial question is kind of the easiest. It is
the simplest an advanced technology well beyond our own that we are witnessing, and
so it kind of is the simplest answer that it's a civilization beyond our own,
And I think that's why a lot of people come to that conclusion.
And yeah, it's the most it's probably the most likely answer. That's kind
of the way I think about it in it, But I don't totally discount
other possibilities either, I just think that they are less likely. You know,
Yeah, that makes complete sense. Yeah, So my next question would
be your scientific background. So you do have a background in science, I
think obviously, I from listening to you, you know science very well in
physics. Could you share that with us. I sure can. As I
mentioned, I come from a family of scientists and engineers and my own background,
I have a degree in mathematics, and I also have an associate's degree
in aerospace engineering and an MBA too on top of all that. But my
family, my family has a lot of scientists and engineers in it. My
dad was a research chemist and he was a graduate of MIT. And our
daughter, I was a graduate from UH at Penn State, and she's a
structural engineer down in the Washington, DC area, a twenty something daughter in
and uh so, and then I have a lot of my brothers and sisters
are involved in science, engineering and stuff. And also many of my nephews
and nieces are in one way or the other or some of them are engineers,
some involved in biology or science too. And and so that's kind of
my background. But I, although I I didn't work in the academic world,
I worked in I actually retired from Hewlett Packard UH just a couple of
years ago, but I had worked for them for twenty seven years. I
was in private industry, but UH on the side, when I had time,
I spent an awful lot of UH time and effort studying what's going on
in modern physics, and I just have I have to say I have an
absolute passion for science. I'm you know, I'm one of those guys that
when I go shopping with my wife or or if our daughter's with us,
and I go buy a magazine wreck and they have the science magazine, they'll
find me there later and so but that and then and then, and they're
kind of afraid to take me to a bookstore because they can't dragged out.
But anyway, that's kind of who I am, you know. And yeah,
so okay, given that with your your family, you're gonna you know,
family a scientists and engineers. A couple of questions before we get into
your book, real quick to lend some insight. How do you how do
your your family members who are in science and engineering, what do they think
about your work with UFOs or about the subject. Oh okay, my two
brothers are both in total agreement, and they're fascinated by the theories and everything.
My daughter, uh, she she's she's interested too, and she has
she gives out copies of the book to her friends down in the DC area.
And I can't say she has as much passion for the subject as I
do. Now, my my wife, who's a math teacher at high school
math teacher, she's she's interested in it too, and she goes around to
the presentations that I do and show you as you sit in the back and
run the projector when I do the presentations, And I I can't say,
like my daughter, probably my wife doesn't quite have the passion that I do.
But my some of my nephews are definitely interested. And I've given them
copies of the book and they come back with questions for Uncle Bob and so,
so I figure that's a good sign. And so yeah, so generally,
I now my my parents have passed away. But my dad, although
I should, I can't say that he spent a lot of time, you
know, looking into the UFO topic, because he was pretty busy with other
things, you know, I don't. I don't think he discounted it either.
So I think I think in a way it might be that the younger,
younger generations have paid more attention to the UFO phenomenon, So you know,
there might be kind of a generational disconnect a little bit, you know.
But but any in any case, I can tell you this that you
know, back in the sixties and seventies, although there was a great deal
of interest in the UFO phenomenon, I find today that it's I think it's
it has it's attracting more interest than it ever has, and I'm happy that
that's the case. I'm just hoping that, you know, that we can
bring some hard science to it and figure it out right. And it seems
that, you know, you were an example of what I try to tell
people. A lot of people say, well, if there was something to
this, scientist would be into it, and there are a lot of individual
scientists that are into the subject, engineers and so forth. In fact,
scientists really got this whole ball rolling and investigating it. There may not be
scientific organized nations or universities, and I think that's what people mean. But
there is kind of this this idea that scientists aren't into this subject. And
furthermore, you see a lot of science students, it seems, participating in
debunking as if they feel that they're that's what they're supposed to do. Where
scientists we debunk things that we see fringe as fringe like this stuff. Why
do you think that idea persists you're exactly right. And I'll tell you what's
the problem is. It's the the The problem is I believe anyway that uh,
way back in the fifties, and I'm not a I'm not a believer
in conspiracies or anything, but I do think something did happen back then that
unfortunately, you know, kind of cause the UFO phenomenon do you looked at
in a very skeptical manner by professional scientists and much of the media and the
journalists. And what happened was and see a lot of people today that are
younger don't may not remember what was going on back in the forties, fifties
and sixties. But that was at the height of the Cold War, and
the CIA was actually concerned about UFO sidings or bocus UFO sightings clocking the communications
channels around the country, so that in the event of an enemy attack at
that time, they were concerned that that could really weaken our ability to respond
to any threat. And so I think they made a purposeful decision to kind
of debunk the UFO phenomenon and kind of ridicule it, and and the and
and they succeeded. And unfortunately they've they've succeeded so well that even today we
have the lingering after effects of that. So it's so these days, any
any professional scientists, and any scientist who's in the middle of his career,
uh, if he starts getting involved in the UFO phenomenon studying it, no
matter how sincere he is, and it's like touching the third rail, and
that could literally spell the end of his career. However, on the other
hand, there's there are actually a lot of scientists that either after they retire
or maybe during their working career, but anonymously, there are scientists who will,
you know, take a look into this phenomenon. And I'll give you
a perfect example, doctor j Allen Heinek, who was an astronomer, and
he was and the advisor to the US Air Force back in the sixties and
seventies, I guess. And anyway, doctor Heinik, he was an advisor
for about twenty years. And I remember, because I kind of go way
back there. I remember when doctor Heinik was a total skeptic or at least
publably about the UFO phenomenon. But then what happened Alejandro was he I think
it was nineteen sixty seven, he wrote an article in Look magazine, and
I don't know if anybody remembers Look magazine, but in that article he came
out and he realized. He admitted that he had come to the conclusion that
there was something to the UFO phenomenon, and his reasoning was he had worked
and interviewed so many pilots and ground personnel in the Air Force who had had
encounters with UFOs of one type or another, and then on top of that,
he also had pretty good evidence of nuts and bolts engineering behind the UFO
phenomenon. A lot of your listeners will be familiar with the Cicaro on New
Mexico case. I'm not sure when it was back in the seventies or something
sixties or seventies, but in that case, a police sergeant, denn A
Cicaro on New Mexico, Lannie Zamora, spotted a UFO landing and they actually
found the indentations in the soil from the landing gear. And one of the
fascinating things about that that doctor was analyzed was that the location of the the
ground was uneven where the craft landed. But he he was able to figure
out that whatever this craft was had a self leveling landing gear, which is
a very very sophisticated type of arrangement, and and so that and anyway,
after he figured that out, he realized that not only is there visual evidence
of these things, radar evidence, but here on the ground there was evidence
of something that clearly had an advanced landing gear system and it had left absolute
evidence of having landed at that spot. And so you know, this is
simply too much to ignore. And doctor Heinech at that point that came out
and admitted that he now believed that this was something that we absolutely needed to
take a look at. But he's not the only scientist. There's others like
doctor James McDonald and doctor James Harder, and of course Stanton Friedman. He's
a nuclear physicist, he's been he's been studying the UFO phenomenon for many,
many years. And and then there's professionals like doctor Lynn Cataie, a medical
doctor dan in Phoenix who's been following the UFO phenomenon now since the Phoenix Lights
which she had she was an eyewitness too. So even though there are many
scientists stay away from these subjects of UFOs, there are definitely others who have
come out and have been willing to talk about it publicly and are willing to
study it. So I don't think I saw it. There's definitely some hope
for the future here. And as we get further into our interview here,
I'll show you one reason why. I'll show you a number of reasons why
we may have something to really look for that could possibly settle the question of
how these things function. Right and well, definitely beginning into that, but
you know, just as far as what you're talking about now about these different
scientists being interested and you feel, you feel that it's important how we pay
attention to this phenomena. And why is that? Oh, because I believe
that by studying this phenomenon, I believe we could potentially leap frog our understanding
of nature at its deepest levels. Because I think what's going on currently in
modern physics, the direction of modern physics is pointing to a likely explanation of
how these UFOs work. And and if you if you take a look at
what's going on in in current physics, and it's very very intriguing the what's
going on because we there's now it looks like we may find evidence, for
example, of extra large dimensions. And it's these extra large dimensions that are
key to what I talk about in the book. They're one of the keys.
And so I think it's absolutely in my opinion, I think it's absolutely
imperative that uh, you know, the scientific community, more people get involved.
But the other thing that's I think is also critical, which I guess
we can talk about later, but I believe we can actually if we can
get spectrographic evidence or data from actual UFO sightings, we should be able to
detect a certain type of radiation. And if we do detect that type of
radiation, it will virtually confirm what these things, how they function, what
the technology is behind their craft. And so that's why I think this is
so critical. It'll become a much more clear as we get further into this.
But yeah, so we can as we go along here, all right,
great, so let's get into that the modern physics and how you feel
it's revealing the technology behind the UFOs. And I'll definitely be asking a lot
of questions because not everybody our mass genius is like us and understand m theory.
I'm just kidding. Actually, I'm into science and I and I study
and I've watched. I can't remember the name of the lady who's on a
lot talking about it, and really it's something I've been having a hard time
grasping. So I'll be asking you a lot of questions because hopefully through our
discussion I'll be able to understand this m theory a little better. But we'll
be getting into that. But yeah, let's get into how you believe modern
physics is starting to and from what you've observed, how we may be starting
to understand these technologies. Okay, the lady that you referred to might be
doctor Lisa Randall, Professor Randall. Yeah, I believe so is that?
Okay, yes, our physicist and she's actually her theory is critical to this
what I'm talking about in the book, and so I'm glad you brought her
up. But I'll tell you what I can. I can tell you first
what I noticed about the UFOs, the data of the UFO data that is
very, very important to understanding how they work. And now I've been I've
been kind of studying physics for a couple of decades, now, you know.
When I'm on the side, I was working full time, but whenever
I had a chance I was reading physics books and at the same time I
was thinking about the UFO phenomenon, trying to figure out how these things worked,
and like many many other people, Alejandro, I figured that they must
be using anti gravity. But then as I got more and more into physics,
I began to have some worries and doubts about the concept of anti gravity.
And the reason for that is that the gravity is different. There's four
fundamental force in nature. They are electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force, which
is responsible for a radioactive decay, the strong nuclear force, which holds the
protons and the neutrons together in the nucleus and it overcomes the repulsive force of
the positive protons so they don't blow apart. That's the strong nuclear force,
and then gravity. So there's only those four forces electromagnetism, the weak nuclear
force, the strong nuclear force, and gravity. But here's the thing that
worried me. As I was trying to relate science and physics to the UFO
phenomenon, I was kind of hoping that I'd be able to figure out some
kind of anti gravity. But I noticed that three of the four forces of
nature have something that's called spin quantum spin, and that's just a characteristic of
subatomic particles. All subatomic particles have three fundamental characteristics. They are their electric
charge, their mass, and their quantum spin. And their quantum spin isn't
like everyday spin. But we don't really need to go into that. The
only important thing to be aware of is that the spin of the three non
gravity forces of nature, the weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force,
and electromagnetism. Oh I'm sorry, I should mention one other thing. All
part of all forces are believed to be represented by a carrier particle, a
particle that carries that force. So, for example, electromagnetism is carried by
the photon, the weak nuclear force is carried by the W plus W minus
n z neutral bosons. Both suns are forced particles, and a strong nuclear
force is carried by a particle called the glue on And you can see where
the name comes from, glue meaning holding things together and anyway, these three
particles force carrier particles all have quantum spin of one. Okay, but gravity
has quantum spin of two, and the three non gravity forces forced particles with
quantum spin of one. Each of them have multiple charges, multiple polarity.
So as people know, the electric electromagnetic force can come in positive or negative,
or in terms of polarity, it can be a north pole and south
pole. And likewise, the weak nuclear force is W plus and W minus,
as well as the neutral and the gluons come in what they call color,
and so the color represents the different types of charge that that they can
have. They have three basic colors. Physicists use the analogy. They call
it red, blue, and green. But not that any of that's important,
but I mean other than to say that they have multiple charges. But
the graviton, which is believed to be the is the theoretical particle that is
believed to carry the gravity force, comes in only one charge, and that's
positive gravity. That's it. And that had me pretty worried. I couldn't
figure out, you know, how I could get anti gravity out of something
that looked to be just a single polarity. As far as charge a question
here, And yes, it seems like the carrier particles for the week and
the E M and the strong. We're certain of what those particles are,
and we have a little more idea about the nature of those particles. But
you said the graviton is theoretical, which indicates we really don't know much about
gravity. Huh, well, we do, and we don't. We haven't
detected the graviton yet because and I'll explain why, the main reason why we
haven't and and and you're absolutely correct. The three non gravity forces. We
know a huge amount of information about them, and we've we've developed theories like
quantum electrodynamics and quantum chromodynamics and things like that that as well as Maxwell's laws
of electromagnetism that explain, uh, the behavior of these other forces to a
high degree of accuracy. Unfortunately, with gravity, we have a geometric theory
of gravity, which is Einstein's theory of general relativity, but we don't have
a quantum theory of gravity that deals at the particle level, and that's what
we're trying to figure out. But everything right now points in the direction of
the graviton, most likely having a single polarity and being just positive. However,
this is where data from UFO encounters UFO sightings becomes important. And this
is the connection that I about a number of years ago that I made and
I realized that this is critical to explaining how they work. In it.
And I can tell you a particular sighting that really caught my attention. It
was back in nineteen sixty six. It was at Wannaqueue Reservoir in northern New
Jersey, and in the sighting, Alejandro, a police officer, or actually
several police officers, had been seeing these UFOs hovering over Wannaqueu Reservoir. But
they saw something that was that when I first read their reports, I couldn't
figure out what was going on. The officers reported that when the UFO was
hovering about ten or fifteen feet above the reservoir, an entire massive water from
the reservoir was being lifted up underneath the UFO toward the UFO, not away
from the UFO, but toward it. And the officer described He said,
the UFO might have been like one hundred feet in diameter, and the massive
water was probably one hundred and fifty feet in diameter underneath, and the UFO
was a typical circular UFO. And he said that the water in the reservoir,
literally thousands and thousands of tons of water was being lifted up as in
a body where it was two or three feet above the natural level of the
reservoir. And so he just noted that in his report, and others observed
it as well. He then noticed that when the object sped away and it
went up over a ridge, a nearby ridge where there were a lot of
pine trees, and as it was hovering over the ridge, he noticed that
the tops of the pine trees were swirled, being swirled around and being pulled
together, almost as if somebody had put a lot so less so around it,
and they were tightening them together. And that was another thing when I
read that, that puzzled me as well, because my thinking, certainly back
in the nineteen sixties, was that these UFOs had to be using anti gravity.
So we shouldn't be seeing water or other objects lifted up underneath towards the
UFO from the ground, nor should we see trees being pulled together underneath the
UFO. To the contrary, what we should be seeing if it had anti
gravity, We should be seeing the water either level or being pushed down slightly,
and or the trees being pushed apart. But we shouldn't. It didn't
make any sense, and that was the critical clue as to how these things
work. And so I do want me to continue or yeah, no,
this is great. So anyway, I continued to read physics and stuff like
that, and these stories that I had read over the years of the UFOs
actually lifting up objects from the ground. It puzzled me and puzzled me,
and I just couldn't figure it out. And that was that particular story I
told about Wanneque was only one of many many stories that were similar to that.
So around the year two thousand, toward the end of the twentieth century,
what was going on in physics is they were trying to unify the four
fundamental forces of nature. That's like the fund that's like the holy grail of
modern physics. And what they're actually trying to do is so like I can
give you an example. Back in the eighteen fifties, it was thought that
the electric force and the magnetic force were two separate forces. But then James
Clerk Maxwell proved mathematically that the electric force and the magnetic force were two aspects
of a single force, which is the electromagnetic force. And he did all
the math and everything that showed that, and that math indicated that there should
be waves or particles that travel at the speed of light, and that,
of course is what we call lightwaves, and so over the years and then
nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties and forties, if physics learned more and more and
they unraveled nature further and further, and I think by the nineteen seventies,
maybe by the early eighties, they had managed to unite not only the electric
and magnetic force into electroneticism, but they also united theoretically and experimentally the electromagnetic
force and the weak nuclear force, and that's referred that unification is referred to
as the electroweak force. And the actually seen this electroweak force in particle accelerators
when they do experiments, so they know that, so they know that the
theory matches the experiment, which is very very important. Now they're working on
trying to unite the strong nuclear force with the electroweak force, so that would
if they can do that, that will actually be three of the four forces
united, and they call that theory the Grand Unified theory. It's only the
non gravity forces. So far, they haven't been able to do it,
but they have some theories that look promising and they might eventually get it.
But the odd man out and all of these attempts to unify the forces of
nature is the force of gravity. And the question is why is the force
of gravity the one that they can't bring into any of these attempts at unification.
And the reason is, and this is critical to understand to understanding gravity,
The reason is is because gravity is much much weaker than the other forces
of nature, and in fact, and in fact, Alexandro, it's exponentially
weaker, and so much so let's say, I've got a chart here.
I'm just going to dig it out here. It is okay, just to
give you an idea, the electromagnetic force is ten to the thirty six power
stronger than the gravity force. So let me put that in in like a
number that people can see or visualize. Imagine one, the number one followed
by thirty six zeros. You can imagine that's a big number. If you
won that at the casinos in Las Vegas and dollars, you'd be, you
know, in the whole world. And it has been one of the things
that's difficult for me to understand it. And and you know, I've listened
to Miss Randall talked about gravity being a weak force, and of course,
in our daily lives we're dealing with gravity constantly. And gravity seems pretty strong.
I mean gravity called us to the planet. You know, gravity has
a lot of effects on us, so it for a person, that apparently
seems to be a pretty strong force. So to think of these other forces
being so much stronger. Is there an example of that? I guess maybe
yes, I can. It's kind of a plunky example, but this will
illustrate it. If you have a pen or a pencil, hold it up
and or and then and then drop it into your hand, Okay, and
that's the force, that's the entire planet Earth pulling on that pencil and it
and yet you can stop it with your hand if you just drop the pencil
into your hand, hold your hand up above the table, and and so
you may think that's trivial, but it's not. If that pencil, instead
of being just in a gravity field, but if that pencil had been an
electron and the planet Earth down below was a proton, So then you'd be
dealing with the electroc metic force. If you did that same example there and
you drop the electron into your hand, you could kiss your hand goodbye.
The electron would literally go right. It wouldn't even notice your hand. I
mean, it would just your hand would be severed, and and and it's
it would just be you'd never see it again. And uh and so I
know it's kind of a clunky example, but it shows you how weak the
gravity force is. And and it's it's incredibly weak. It's so incredibly weak
that it's one of the problems in modern physics. And in fact, they
actually even have a name for it. And this is important to the solution
to the UFO enigma. So every the listeners should you know, pay attention
to this problem. It's the weakness of gravity versus the other forces of nature
is referred to as the hierarchy problem. And nobody currently knows exactly why gravity
is so weak compared to the other forces. It just doesn't seem to make
any sense. And that's why it's so difficult to study gravity, because it's
so incredibly weak. Even though I admit that getting up out of bed in
the morning can be tough, but nevertheless, a relative to the other forces
of nature, gravity is incredibly weak. And now we get into the solution
to to one of the big issues in the UFO enigma, and it relates
directly to the hierarchy problem. And so what happened then I have to backtrack
a little bit here. What happened during the last couple of decades of the
twentieth century was a number of physicists were working on many, many different theories,
and they were of course trying to figure out why gravity is so weak,
and they were trying to unify the forces and stuff like that. And
originally, for most of the twentieth century, it was believed that subatomic particles
like electrons were infinitesimally tiny, little dimensionless points. But they were having a
lot of problems with the math. They were ending up with mathematical infinities when
they were considering that when they thought that all these subatomic particles were dimensionless points.
But finally, back in the seventies, I believe they discovered or they
started developing, a new theory called string theory that proposes that all the subatomic
particles, instead of being dimensionless points, are actually one dimensional strings that are
wiggling. And these are incredibly tiny strings. But it was a fantastic advanced
because one of the things, one of the big things that it solved,
was a lot of the problems with the infinities that they were mathematical infinities,
because now you had something that actually had a dimension. And so this string
theory continued on, and it evolved in the seventies, eighties and the nineties,
and by about nineteen ninety five it had evolved to a new theory which
was not exactly string theory but incorporated string theory. And this new theory or
actually group of theories, is referred to as M theory M theory, and
includes not only wiggling strings, but it also includes two dimensional, three dimensional,
four dimensional membranes. And so that's where that's where we are right about
now. And and so currently, you know, over the last decade or
so, physicists have been working on improving M theory and trying to figure more
things from M theory. But so M theory is actually a group of theories.
But one of the theories that comes out of M theory is called actually,
I don't think it has an actual name, but it's called eleven D
E eight by E a theory. You know, you don't have to worry
about that. That's really the eight number refers to certain symmetries. And I
don't want to get into that because that will take to want to explain.
But what M theory is basically proposing, or one of these theories that comes
out of M theory, is that we may live all of the universe that
you can see around us, the distant stars, distant galaxies, we may
live on a four dimensional space time membrane. And it's thought that this space
time membrane is floating in a larger five dimensional space time. So the best
way to visualize this would be to take a piece of paper, and of
course we live in three spatial dimensions, not counting time. And now just
take up a piece of paper in your hand, and eight and a half
by eleven piece of paper, and just hold it up, and you can
visualize that as an analogy. The paper's only two dimensions, but you can
think of that as the space time four dimensional space time membrane we live in.
And you can see that as it can float around in front of you
in the air, in the three dimensional air in front of you. And
that's exactly what they think something along those lines, that our entire universe is
sitting on a four dimensional membrane that's floating around in a larger five dimensional space
time. And it's thought that at least one other space time four dimensional space
time membrane is existing out there as well. That's parallel to the space time
membrane that we live on. And here's where it gets interesting as far as
the UFO phenomenon goes. Doctor Randall from Harvard University was one of her.
One of the things that she was working on was trying to solve the hierarchy
problem. So she and another physicist, doctor Ramond Syndrome from John Hopkins University,
they came up with a theory that is referred to as warped geometry.
And let me just get a drink of water here for a second. Yeah,
no problem. I like that name. And I'll make another note while
you're getting some water, is that this drink theory. One of the people
who work on it is Mitchell Okaku, famous theoretical physicists who also believes that
UFOs deserved to be researched some more. But just a little aside while you're
getting a drink. Oh yes, thank you for mentioning it, because he's
one of the few practicing physicists who's been willing to stick his neck out and
suggests that we really should be looking at this phenomenon. But anyway, warped
geometry theory that doctor Randall and doctor Sundram came up with. They postulate that
the four dimensional membrane that we live on, they call it the weak membrane
w E a K. And the week relates to the weak nuclear force,
which is kind of the energy level that our membrane around, the energy level
that exists on our membrane that we live on. And so this is all
explained a little more in more detail in my book. But then they thought
that maybe the other membrane that's parallel to ours is warped in such a way
that it attracts ninety nine point nine percent of all the gravity in the universe
to its surface, and that then explains the hierarchy problem. Here's what's going
on. So they what their theory says is that the strength of gravity becomes
exponentially greater the further away you get from the weak brain, the four dimensional
membrane that we live on that our universe is in, and it gets and
gravity gets exponentially stronger as you get closer to the gravity membrane, which is
believed it's also referred to as the plank membrane p L A n c K
named after Max Plank, a German physicist who was one of the founders of
quantum mechanics. But anyway, what's exciting about this is that it explains why
gravity is so much weaker than the other forces of nature, because it turns
out that many of these m theory sub theories believe that all the particles in
nature, all the subaton particles, whether there are matter particles like an electron,
or whether they're forced particles like a photon, are open strings, and
the two ends of that string are thought to be attached to the four dimensional
membrane that we live on, the weak membrane in doctor Randall's theory, so
that they cannot leave the four dimensional universe that we live in. However,
of all the forces in nature and matter particles, there is one force particle
that is believed not to be an open string but to be a closed loop,
okay, and that is the graviton. And because the graviton is believed
to be a closed loop, it's two ends, so it doesn't have two
open ends, which would be stuck on the four D membrane like all the
other particles that were used to so that would allow the graviton of all the
other particles in nature force in matter particles, It would allow the graviton,
and only the graviton to travel to go anywhere it likes in the five dimensional
space time. So it actually leaves our four dimension most of them anyway,
leave our four dimensional space time membrane and travel into the what they call the
bulk bulk, which is considered that space between the weak membrane where we live
and the strong membrane, I mean the strong gravity membrane, the plank brain,
which is worth than that's attracting most of the gravitons in the larger five
dimensional universe, and that explains why gravity is so weak. Virtually every graviton
in the universe is much closer to the gravity brain than it is to the
four dimensional weak membrane where our universe is located, and that's why gravity is
so weak. However, here's this is the this, this is the solution
to a big piece of the UFO question enigma. I believe these UFOs have
figured out how to get how to leave our weak membrane and penetrate into that
into the bulk, that five dimensional space between these two other membrane, these
two membranes, and if they are able to do that, that's how they're
able to get to other star systems. Here's how they do it. General
relativity tells us that when gravity is strong, that distances shrink. Okay,
so if you're in a strong gravity field, then the stronger the gravity field,
the shorter the distance or what they call geodesic is between two points,
it gets smaller and smaller. And that's exactly how I think these UFOs are
going from one star system to another. They're penetrating into this bulk, and
they go deep enough in Alejandro to the point where the distance between other stars
is very small. And I actually was able to do a calculation to demonstrate
how effective this would be. If all they have to do is go in
as far into the bulk where the force of gravity is only one ten thousandth
as strong as its maximum strength, and just that short distance going into the
five to men bulk, the distance between our star and Alpha Centauri, the
closest star system to us, shrinks to just twenty five miles. Isn't that
amazing? And so that's how I think they would have to accumulate this massive
amount of gravity or relatively, I guess large amount of gravity to do that.
I'm going to explain that next. But that's a very good question.
That's a very good question. I'm glad. I didn't want to overwhelm the
audience and everything with too much physics. You know, I needed a little
break there, and you provided it there. You're exactly right. How the
heck do they get in there? Well, I believe I know how they
get in there. They if the theories if m theory and if warped geometry,
the one of the theory of doctor Randall and doctor Sundrome. If these
theories are correct, one of the things that they expect to find are a
certain modes of particles, because particles that if this extra dimension exists, this
fifth dimension, then they believe that any gravitons. They believe that there are
certain gravit a type of graviton called a Kaluza Kleine graviton is going to exist
that will be much much stronger than the ordinary massless graviton that carries the gravity
force here on our four dimensional membrane. So what they believe is that,
uh, these gravitons are able to vibrate in this fifth dimension, and the
more they vibrate, they can go into different mos that can vibrate. They
can oscillate once or twice or three times, all the way up to hundreds
of times, you know. And the more times that they oscillate than in
that extra dimension, the greater the energy that they have, and that energy
can translate into mass. And so it's believed that these kk guziklion gravitons,
some of them will have mass, and not only that, but they'll be
tremendously they'll have tremendously powerful gravitational attraction and only attraction. And it's believed that
their gravitational attraction will be on the order of the most powerful ones will be
on the order of ten to the sixteen power stronger than the ordinary graviton that
we're used to in everyday life. So imagine a graviton that is stronger by
a factor of one, followed by sixteen zeros Okay, not one hundred times
more stronger, not a thousand, ten million, not ten billion, but
a gazillion, gazillion gazillion. And so these are going to be incredibly powerful
gravitons. And I believe what these so we expect to be creating these Kalusikling
gravitons in a large hadron collider, and they should be very we should be
able to detect them because these KK gravitons will in turn create micro black holes,
and so everybody's probably heard of these micro black holes. But these Michael
black holes, in turn, they won't last very long. Ago only last
for much much less than less than a nanosecond nanosecond, and these micro black
holes would decay quickly. However, when they decay, they'll put out a
certain type of radiation called Hawking radiation. And so we should be able to
detect that at the large Hadron collider particle accelerator over in Geneva, Switzerland.
That accelerator won't reach full power until I think twenty fourteen, but it's potentially
possible we might create some micro black holes in it before then. And so
anyway, I believe the way these things are working, Alejandra, is they
are I think one of the reasons, as I mentioned earlier in the interview,
the reason why they are circular. They always have some part or aspect
of the craft that's circular. In other words, the craft will either be
cylindrical. These UFOs, it'll be either cylindrical, it'll be a sphere,
or it'll be a disc, a flying saucer, or it might be one
of these triangle UFOs, but it will have large, brightly lit circles in
each corner. And I believe the reason that they all have a circular aspect
to them is because these flying saucers are particle accelerators. That's what I think
they are. And here's where it here's where the whole thing comes together.
I believe what they're doing these they're smashing subatomic particles together in the rim area
of these UFOs, and they are first creating KK gravitons, which in turn
induce the creation of microblank coals. And these micro black holes are very very
important because I see, I've been looking in physics archives. You can go
to these sites on the web where physicists post discussions about the work that they're
doing or the theories that they're working on. And one of the things I've
been doing is going into these sites that talk about micro black holes and micro
Now here's and now this is where it gets real exciting, and this is
how the UFOs work. And so it's This is where you definitely want to
pay attention of a audience, because this is how I believe they work,
and and I believe we can prove it by gathering a certain certain types of
data. But it turns out when I studied these papers that physicists were writing
about micro black holes, which we think we're going to be creating in the
large age of collider, one of the things that I noticed was that they
talked about how these micro black holes would absorb everything in sight. Okay,
and the thought occurred to me, I said, I thought to myself,
I said to you, if they absorb, if the micro black hole can
absorb like a molecule of air, if it can absorb a photon, that's
what they mean when they see a black hole, they mean things going into
it can't get out, so it appears black as far as we can't see
it. And however, actually in reality they're not black, but that's not
important right now. But anyway, these micro black holes, I realized,
we're absorbing everything. And the thought occurred to me, if they're absorbing electrons
and protons and atoms and molecules of air and dust, any kind of junk.
This line near the UFO then, but they also absorb gravitons, the
four D gravitons that the Earth emits, and those gravitons are what keep us
pin to the Earth. So I wondered about that, and so I kept
reading these papers, and sure enough, I soon came across some papers that
just as an aside, they mentioned that these micro black holes are swallowing four
dimensional gravitons. Okay, that in and of itself is very exciting because it
means that these gravitons are being swallowed by micro black holes. In otherwis the
UFOs were able to get rhythm. But what I was worried about is when
a micro black hole decays. When it decays, does it emit four dimensional
gravitons. Well, it doesn't, And in fact, the only thing it
emits back on to the four dimensional membrane, the weak membrane that we live
on, is hawking radiation, which does not include gravitons. However, However,
here's the here's the key. Most of the energy that's absorbed by the
micro black hole, when the micro black hole decays, most of that energy
is emitted not back onto our four dimensional membrane, but goes into the five
dimensional bulk. That is, we don't even see it on our four dimensional
membrane. It just disappears, and it actually ends up as five dimensional gravitons
and other stuff that's dumped into the bulk. And that's what they do.
Now, these are theories, but I believe they're correct and or at least
they're on the right track. And so that explains how UFOs work. What
they're doing is they're creating these millions, millions, perhaps of these micro black
holes that are absorbing any gravitons that are emitted by Planet Earth and any gravitons
that are emitted by the UFO itself. So all these gravitons are sucked up
by the micro black holes and dissipated either back as Hawking radiation onto our four
dimensional membrane or they disappear from our world entirely and go into the five dimensional
bulk. And so what this means, what this means, Alejandro, is
that this is not anti gravity. Instead, it is reducing the gravity force
to near zero. And that's how these UFOs are eliminating the force of gravity.
And that's how they're doing it. All right, So we're about out
of time already we've but I guess to get to the area because I know
one important aspect of what you've talked about is how we prove this and how
we would be able to detect whether or not this is the technology they're using.
And that's and that is the most exciting thing of all. And if
and if if I won the lottery and had the money, I'd do it
myself. So I'm working on winning the lottery. But yet they but I
see that, and and this is really exciting because if these UFOs are particle
accelerators, if they are creating kk graph tons, and if they are inducing
the creation of micro black holes that are swallowing, swallowing the four dimensional grapht
tons from our planet and from the UFO itself, the then when those micro
black holes decay, they should give off something that is referred to as hawking
radiation. Now, hawking radiation kind of looks like a normal curve, but
it's but it'll be at a specific temperature, and and and and and this
is also exciting. No, although hawking every all physicists are virtually most physicists
believe that hawking radiation exists. It was predicted by doctor Professor Stephen Hawking.
And but nobody has ever seen hawking radiation. They are hoping to see it
in the Large Hadron collider. But what if those of us who are studying
the UFO phenomenon are able to put together the spectroscopic devices to detect hawking radiation
and and actually and if we you know, occasionally they'll have UFO waves in
a particular area, like the Phoenix lights. And uh so, for example,
let me give a perfect, perfect example here when doctor Lynn Katai,
when she was on her alcony, she spotted three orbs a UFO orbs that
were probably only I don't know, maybe a couple hundred yards from her house
in near Phoenix or in Phoenix. And if she had had one of these
spectrographic devices and had been able to point it at the UFO, she could
have gathered this critical data that would have allowed us we could have analyzed it
and seen if these UFOs were emitting Hawking radiation. If incredibly, if those
of us were studying the UFO phenomenon, if we are the first to detect
hawking radiation and confirm it with a couple of other sightings around the country or
around the world. Then this would be a showstopper. It would. It
would this is the most amazing part of all. It would actually if if
the scientific community then came agreed that this was worth taking a look at,
they put together their own UH teams of people to go and detect this UH
the radiation being omitted by UFOs, and they too detected Hawking radiation. Then
I can tell you at that point we virtually know we can almost say for
certain how these UFOs function, how they work, and and and so I
want to point out one more thing too. A number of investigators over the
years have been trying to figure out what kind of radiation is omitted by UFOs.
And one of the UH top guys who investigated these things was doctor Paul
Hill. He's a NASA scientist and he's he was an early UFO investigator and
doctor Hill, although he his his book was published post morton after he died,
he investigated them what type of radiation was coming out of these UFOs,
and he found evidence of gamma rays, X rays, and higher frequency light
emissions in the visible spectrum. Now, gamma rays and X rays, of
course, they're not in the visible spectrum. They're outside of that, but
he did have evidence of gamma rays. And this is very exciting because it
turns out that one of the things that Stephen Hawking predicted is that when micro
black holes or any type of when micro black holes decay, they he expects
them to emit bursts of gamma rays. And here they and here we already
have evidence of gamma rays from actual UFO sightings. In fact, many people
in the audience will be familiar with a guy with the name of Stephen nick
Alock. I think that's how you pronounce his name. He was a Canadian
prospector or amateur prospector, and he approached a UFO that had landed on the
ground, and he walked up to it, and he tried to communicate with
it, you know, but he got no response or anything. But as
he was standing next to it, the outer rim of this thing was rotating
and something like a vent came directly in front of him, and it had
a grid pattern on the vent, and he said, suddenly there was a
blast of hot air from the vent to hit him in the chest and it
ignited his clothes, his shirt and he had to rip off his shirt because
it was burning and then he ran, he ran away from this thing and
it took off. He finally made his way back to civilization because he was
up in the hills and I think it was in British Columbia or someplace out
there. And anyway, doctors examined him and they finally concluded that he had
been exposed to a brief burst of gamma rays. Isn't that interesting? And
he's not isn't that interesting? So here we have virtually first hand evidence that
these things are emitting gamma rays and certainly the other types of radiation too,
But that's key to the decay of micro black holes gamma rays. And there
aren't many ordinary sources of gamma rays in the natural environment. They do occur
on a very small scale with radioactive decay, and you know, like a
like a granite rock may have an occasional gamma ray come out of it,
but not in the kind of concentrations that burn uh Stephen Mclock up in Canada
there. And that's yeah, I was just go ahead, I'm sorry,
yeah, and oh yeah, yeah, so what I'm uh so my objective
here and and I hope there are listeners out there that perhaps have expertise in
the use. They have access to an expertise in the use of spectrographic equipment,
and perhaps we can put together an organization of volunteers or that we could
get out there in the field and and try to detect this hawking radiation if
it's being admitted by these UFOs, and I should I should add one caveat
here. Uh. Unfortunately, spectrographic equipment could be a little expensive because the
visible spectrum is probably relatively inexpensive that type of equipment, But detecting gamma rays
and X rays and stuff like that would be a bit more complicated, and
you would have to calibrate or correlate all of the emissions from the UFO because
the different types of equipment would gather the emissions in different ways. And so
it's somehow, But I'm sure there are experts out there that can figure out
how to do that, because they're already trying to do that at the Large
Hadron Collider, So I'm sure there are experts that know how to correlate the
data from different sources of different types of instruments, you know. But anyway,
that's the objective, that's the goal, that's what I hope to achieve
by doing these talks on online radio shows and around the country, you know,
wherever I can get a general it's some interest in this, but anyway,
that's the goal. This has been really interesting. I think you've been
able to describe your theory, and of course your book is on Amazon Solving
the UFO Enigma. And then how would people get a hold of you if
they wanted to. Oh, my email is Bob Ufo at aol dot com.
Okay, Bob Ufo at aol dot com. I'd love to hear from
people that you know might be able to help out on trying to you know,
who have access to this type of equipment or expertise in the use of
it. That would be terrific. Well, thank you so much for being
on the show. Yeah, thank you for having me and much appreciated.
All Right, Bobufo at aol dot com if you have a gamma ray detector
or if you are interested in contacting him on his ideas. So what a
great show. Thank you so much Robert Schroeder for being on the show.
Check out his book UFOs and Modern Physics. You can find it on Amazon.
As for the show, we are out of time. Thank you so
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