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The Christian right once Trump's writer die
is in for a big surprise. The

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ex president's recent abortion band critique has
them fuming. It's sort of like a

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pop star breaking up at their fan
club. In a time where the Bible

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belt is losing appeal, Donald has
been a trend setter, and he seems

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to be writing a new script.
The Republican Party, once synonymous with pro

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life, is trying to sneak out
of the abortion limelight, and Trump's departure

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might actually be the overture to a
Republican movement away from the device of abortion

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debate. Buckle up, America.
The post Christian right is here, and

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Trump's first on this non religious roller
coaster, but he most likely won't be

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the last. So Welcome to politics
in the age of Biblical uncertainty, where

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the only commandment is to preserve your
party's political power. This story is from

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Yahoo Finance by Louise Perry. I'm
published in November twentieth, twenty twenty three,

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and Infidel I know you really like
this story, so I'm going to

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pass to you first. Thanks Kelly, And I have to say that one

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thing I really enjoy and seeing this
is that it does give me hope for

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the future, because for over forty
years their mantra has been vote for us

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and will ban abortion. You know, they riled up people with lies about

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abortion, like they're going to happen
right up to the moment of birth.

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And you know, some even like
Mike Johnson saying after birth, whatever that

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would mean. But you know,
they've used this fear monitoring to collect votes

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and it's really worked for But here
they are. They've got what they want,

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and we see it time and again. They get what they want and

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they realize they really just stepped into
a steaming pile of shit. You know,

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they backed this populous fool because he
did what they never wanted. But

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you know, with the news filled
with people experiencing the consequences of their wrong

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headedness, you know, we people's
lives literally being put at risk, with

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doctors, you know, being afraid
to do what's medically necessary because they're afraid

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of going to jail. And we
hear about twelve year olds being forced to

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carry pregnancies the term and that concerns
people. Now we have a thirteen year

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old with a child that was already
living in power. But you know,

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these people aren't statistics, and they're
not news stories that go away with the

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new distraction that catches the public eye. You know, they're not post or

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children for a cause. They're the
result of laws that really have more to

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do about well being and control.
You know. Now what we're seeing is

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is that a driving force on the
other side in places like Ohio, normally

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good red territory voting to protect a
woman's right to her own body. You

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know, in Kentucky and Virginia,
we're seeing those same things. And as

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much as it hurts me to say
this, I do think Trump is right.

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The GP does need to get off
this train. I saw one of

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the strategists say that the Republicans need
to figure out a way to talk about

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abortion that can win independent voters in
the center. This isn't going to go

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away because they found pleasing words to
say. But their problem, once again

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is a back to bad idea,
and now it's exploded in their labs.

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Now people are more worried about consequence
of this extremist extremism. Even in the

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red states like Kentucky, we're seeing
them there and they're trying to get themselves

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out of it. Now. I
know that the extremists and the GOP are

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playing right in the hands of more
progressive voters. The louder they get,

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the more motivated. I'm seeing progressive
you know, become going to the other

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way, you know. But you
know, what sounded good to them is

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terrible in reality. And you know, while bittersweet we had to consider and

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the human cost all this foolishness.
I am hopeful that we're going to see

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some fundamental change and the Christian Right
getting defanged on this issue entirely. It's

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working completely against them, and I'm
hopeful to see where that goes. Scott,

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what were you thinking about this?
Yeah, there is change happening.

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For one thing in this past,
you know, in the twenty twenty two

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election, I mean, bodily rights
was a wedge issue basically, and so

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we have a Supreme Court that struck
down guaranteed bodily rights for people that can

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become pregnant, and the people didn't
like it, and they and it got

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them motivated to go to the voting
booth. From some Associated Press vote cast

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results from that twenty twenty two election, they found that about four and ten

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or thirty eight percent of voters said
that the Supreme Court decision ending the constitutional

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right to an abortion had a major
impact on their decision about whether or not

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to vote. It got them,
it motivated them to go and vote.

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And you know, the share citing
that decision as a major motivator was highest

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among Black women under fifty, Hispanic
women under fifty, those who voted for

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Democratic congressional candidates, first time voters. So this was used as a get

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out the vote kind of event,
voters under the age of thirty, and

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those that they said that they were
angry about that abortion decision. So we

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can see that this is an issue
that's going to that's going to happen.

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It's going to change, you know, the path of this country. And

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so while those election results reflect what
the voters think about themselves, the anal

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suggests that the abortion abortion issue worked
to counteract voters the economics concern right as

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a spit the word out, Scott
spit it out economic concerns, and so

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it was able to overcome. Traditionally, the midterm election kind of slides against

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whoever the current president is, and
so in this case it was it was

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a landslide in the other direction.
Seee, what do you think, Yeah,

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I think it's it's inspiring. I
think the GOP has really screwed up

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here. They made a Faustian deal
and sold the soul of their party to

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the devil in the form of Trump, and they're now paying the price.

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But there's two halves of the story. There's the half about their reaction to

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Row. But there's another stat in
there that I found very interesting that said

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the best predictor right now voting behaviors
is not religion, but age. That

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the line was young Republicans are less
religious than old Democrats, and that's what

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I really keyed in on because it
really gives me hope for the next generation.

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I credit them. I credit their
use of the Internet and social media

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is a big, big factor in
the decline of popularity of religion in the

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United States and around the world.
When the Internet first came out, I

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thought, oh, great, everyone
will have access to the best info and

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we can stop passing around myths and
urban legends, and it will be the

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inn age of an enlightenment. And
I could not have been more wrong.

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In hindsight, I can see that
I was assuming that everyone would be interested

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in correcting their own misunderstandings. But
what actually happened is everybody ran to the

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corners of the Internet to find information
that validated their own previously held beliefs.

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But this next generation is I think
one of the first ones that I've seen.

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And I've got a son who's graduating
high school now that's been raised constantly

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being told in school, taking classes
on critical thinking and understanding where claims can

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be wrong on the Internet. And
they've got better bullshit detectors, I think

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than we did, or our parents
did. Our parents didn't stand a chance

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against the power of the algorithm,
right, That's why you get all these

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emails from grandma and grandpa about you
know, the stolen election and Hunter Biden

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and all of that stuff. But
I hate to sound like this, but

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the young kids today are not knock
in that doors. Let's investigate today the

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kids today, I sort of I'm
reminded of when the Soviet Union fell and

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the average citizen had never been exposed
to advertising claims before, and they got

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their clocks clean. People like Putin
and all of the oligarchs made so much

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money off the backs of these people
who were just suckers waiting to waiting to

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give their money to whoever made them
feel the best or lie to them the

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most. And that's what it was
like when our parents, I think,

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got online. These kids saw that
happen, and they are much more savvy.

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So they when they read about Trump, when they read about abortion,

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when they read about climate change and
how the geo he's doing nothing about that.

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When they read about them the GP
pushing, pushing, pushing to put

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prayer in school and all this stuff
instead of solving their real problems, I

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think that's really causing them to leave
the church. But I wouldn't get complacent.

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As religious groups get smaller, only
the most fanatical people remain. That's

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why when you get cults, you
know, they get this US against them

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attitude and they can strike out.
And that's why the FBI has has said,

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hey, Christian nationalism is now a
bigger threat to America's safety than any

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foreign terror organization. So we've got
to remain vigilant. Religion may be a

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dying animal, but dying animals can
be prone to lash out. So what

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are you What are your thoughts?
Kelly? Well, my first thought is

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this episode sucks for me because I
got to keep following you. That's my

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first thought. I just ramble all
over the place, makes such great points.

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It's awesome, and I first off, I wanted to do the actual

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Trump quote because we didn't hear it
yet. It was I would sit down

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with both sides, and I negotiate
something and will end up with peace on

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that issue for the first time in
fifty two years. Is what he actually

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said. Now, he didn't actually
say that he was going to make any

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concessions to the pro choice crowd at
all. He just said he was going

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to sit down with both sides and
try to negotiate. So I don't even

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understand why some people have even gotten
up in arms about it. You know,

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however, I think the last line
that I did in the intro was

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kind of said it all. The
only commandment to the party right now is

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what preserves their political power, and
they will do anything they can to stay

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relevant. I know a let they
used the abortion issue as a wedge issue

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for decades. I know people that
that's the only reason they voted Republican was

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because they were pro not choice,
anti freedom. They were. That's the

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way I always looked thought of as
they were ant I didn't want to say

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it, but anti freedom. They
don't care about They didn't care about anything

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else the GOP wanted to do,
so they were getting a lot of votes

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on this issue. But I always
thought that if they passed this, there

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would be a lot of young people. As Scott mentioned, there'd be a

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lot of women who were voting for
Republicans who would have a second view of

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what of it when they that right
was taken away from them. Even though

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they might not say it in public, they still wanted to have that right.

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So I'm not really surprised that this
is happening. I kind of expected

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it to happen at some point.
I didn't think Trump would be the one

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to make that move though, so
that was kind of interesting to me.

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Again, I could be totally verbose
here, and I don't want to take

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up all the time, so I'm
going to go ahead and pass it to

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Infidel and I've got more to say
when it comes back to me same.

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You know, it's interesting when you
think about the fact that the one thing

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you have to say about Trump is
he does hear and know sometimes when it's

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a losing bed, and he will
dump it because he has no ideological attack

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patchment to anything. So yes,
it's just a matter of okay, we're

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going this way. Okay, let's
go this way, because it is a

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losing bed. They really have shit
the bed. They the dog has caught

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the car. It's they They never
wanted this, they wanted to scream about

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it. And it also goes right
into what you said, cross examiner about

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the as a group gets smaller,
you know, the voices get more shrill.

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And that's part of what we're seeing
with this group that has such a

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visceral reaction to him saying I'll sit
down with both sides. Because the truth

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is is that in politics, sitting
down with both sides should be the default

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position. That shouldn't be a goal
to aspire to. That should be the

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absolute minimum. Look, we can
sit down and talk, have a beer,

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drink some coffee, do whatever.
Disagree, But we're the point now

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where if you look over at the
other group, oh, well what are

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you doing? You'll lose your s
as the speaker. Are you cheating on

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me? Well? What's going on? Do you do you like her better

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than me? Is it him?
Is that? Is that? What it

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is? And that and that really
is the type of behavior that we're seeing

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here because I think that the truth
is is that most people on that side

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want to say, you know,
let's just shut up, let's try to

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let this issue die and let's focus
on the new issue. Let's pick another

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issue we can divide people and sell
people and not succeed on because we don't

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really need to succeed. We just
need to get people worked up. And

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that's what we've seen time and again, and that's what we're seeing here.

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People go, what what do you
mean? We're not doing abortion anymore,

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We're moving on to something new.
Because as I keep up, yes there,

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I don't like from this band.
I like this Classics exactly because they

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get up and I vote for a
against abortion. That's why I go to

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the polls. I don't go for
all this other things. Now. The

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truth is a lot of them.
Yeah, though you know, they could

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easily go with the next sell,
but we'll have to see about that.

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I hope that this issue stays in
the forefront because the longer it stays in

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the forefront, the more people hear
it, and more the people hear the

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consequences of it. I think the
consequences are we're seeing the prospects of certain

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people dim because they've chased the wrong
horse that they never wanted to get and

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Scott, I'm sure you have a
few things to say about this issue.

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So what do you got. You
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as something akin to some kind of
like dating relationship, like, you know,

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are they cheating on each other?
What's going is they're trouble in paradise

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here, and you know, cause
that's really the what we're talking about,

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is are they going to stay together? It's such a fascinating little drama.

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It's easy for people to, you
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You know, if there's a headline
like something like that, I'll click

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on it and I'll look at you
know, it's interesting. It's like watching

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a car wreck or something. So
are they going to get back? Are

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they going to stay together? Are
they going to break up? I mean,

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that's the thing. It's and like
I said, it's easy for us

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to point fingers and laugh, but
I wanted to get it from the horse's

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mouth. I was able to find
a couple of pieces here. This one

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is from a December twenty seventeen piece
in The New Yorker, and it's titled

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can Evangelicalism Survive? Donald Trump and
Roy Moore. This is back when Roy

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Moore was running for the Senate,
and I think it was Alabama or somewhere

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around there. So in the New
Yorker, this Presbyterian clergyman so religious,

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Timothy Keller's his name. He writes, quote evangelical used to denot and and

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I love the phrase. Sorry I
keep interrupting myself. I love the phrase

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he uses here. Evangelical used to
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Now in popular popular usage, the
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And so it's he's calling him out. He's calling him out. He's saying,

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look, look what you're doing.
You're wrecking our good name quote unquote

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our good name. So that was
the religious view of the politics as far

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as the end of the relationship.
I also found a piece in twenty eight

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eighteen issue April twenty eighteen issue of
The Atlantic. This one was written from

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the political side. This one was
from a George Bush speech writer by the

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name of Michael Gerson. Now here's
the phrase that I liked. Here's the

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phrase, Folwell, Graham and others
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I thought that was so awesome religious
cover for moral squalor, winking at trashy

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behavior and encouraging the unraveling of social
constraints. Instead of defending their conviction,

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they're providing preemptive absolution for their political
favorites. Evangelicals have proven highly vulnerable to

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a message of resentful declinist populism,
and so we can see that there is

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erosion happening. There is trouble in
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Right, we heard that We heard
the evangelical ministers say that he was

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frustrated that the Republican Party is,
like I said, taking away their good

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name, sapping their honor and virtue
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And we heard from the Republican side
of it, and they were being resentful

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that the evangelical leaders were providing them
a smoke screen to do this kind of

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thing for their underhanded manipulations. And
so there there is, you know,

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there is issues going both ways.
And I think that that just points out

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that the power of this relationship is
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with the with the moral majority.
This marriage has gotten them so far,

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but we might be seeing the ends
of it. I don't know. We'll

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hopefully to see, but but I
think the it's not righteousness that's holding them

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together. It's fear. It's fear. And as soon as as soon as

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the as soon as people become less
fearful about religion, which is happening,

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I mean, that's happening across the
world. I think ce you were mentioning

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that religion is on the decline here, and so as as religion becomes a

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less appealing partner than the political side
of it might be, you know,

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move on to a to a better, hotter, fear longer seee. What

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do you think? I agree?
I agree. I think that the outrage

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du jour seems to be gender related
issues. They've moved on to that to

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some degree. As Infidel was talking
about the cheating, I was imagining that

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famous meme of the guy and the
girl walking away and the guy looking back

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at the other girl, and that
girl would be you know, you know,

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negotiating with the left regarding abortion.
The Christian right would be looking at

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Trump. And I mean, it's
just so perfect because that happens time and

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time and time again, and your
rights, goot, moral majority, this,

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this and so many other issues started
with getting Reagan elected. Right,

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Reagan one of the biggest lying presidents
out there, not as big as Trump,

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but Reagan sold it whereas nobody believes
Trump except his biggest fans. And

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they started that strategy of you know
what, let's let's let's use fear,

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let's use replacement theory, let's use
all of these things codified language to get

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the evangelicals to be actually politically active, because before then they weren't. Christians

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would would if you look at the
polls prior to this strategy, you saw

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a much more diverse political opinion amongst
the highly religious the United States. But

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after Reagan, it was spike the
needle towards the GOP. And like we

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have all said here, you know, be careful what you wish for,

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you just might get it. I
think whoever said the dog finally caught the

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car really summarizes this really well.
And I think that they're they're going to

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really pay the price, which is
why you're going to see them continue to

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pound the table about gender issues,
about book banning, about let's shut the

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government down, and Hunter Biden anything
but abortion, how about you, Kelly?

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Yeah? And because this is it's
not only hurting them in the polls,

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it's hurting them in the pocketbook too. I just read just yesterday a

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story that said they were not meeting
their goals for presidential cycle fundraising, so

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they're making They're making a lot less
money than they did four years ago,

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so it's really really hurting them.
Again. It doesn't surprise me that they're

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changing on this policy because it's proven
to them, proven to them that it's

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just a lose lose proposition. It
makes me wonder if this is the death

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ball to the GOP. Are they
going to get past this? I'd like

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to find out in the future,
and definitely we should all be keeping an

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eye on it because what happens when
we come down to a one party system

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that's going to really suck. If
you want to continue this conversation, though,

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