1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:06,360 Hell ho, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Final Plan, the Apes 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,679 Retrospective. I am the clown Prince of Apes as always trust now I'm joined 3 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:17,960 by I'm the Donkey kirklmb Patzer, the Colonel taylor Field. Wow, there's 4 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:23,440 the Colonel. Eh, that's who you're going with? Why terrible man in 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:29,280 thee alliance with his ideal. He's iconic, iconic. There's gonna be shaving 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,359 his head with a straight razor after this. Two weeks from now, I'll 7 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:35,840 be like, you remember who the colonel is to the Colonel who I won't. 8 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,759 I won't say everybody else is iconic in this movie. But yes, 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,399 this is the last retro unless we ever do this as a full time job 10 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,560 and someone wants to do the TV show. Maybe one day we'll go around 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,280 and get there. But for the movies, this is it. Patreon Obviously, 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,759 when you're listening to this is months in event, so as always do 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,560 that. You can get other retrospectives like the Mad Max ones. We're about 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,560 to start Alien. That will be lots of fun and that will be our 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,560 retro. I think for the year there'll be some other one off like Beetlejuice 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,760 and I guess we're gonna do Strangers, so there's some good things coming. 17 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:07,400 But yeah, this year we're coming to it ann but you can get all 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,879 that stuff early if it's like, hey, you're getting this Beetlejuice retro at 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:11,519 this point. No, no, you can't get it months early. Don't 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,840 record yet, but we will be along with an ad free RSS feed. 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,159 Get multiple episodes that are exclusive depending which tear you're on, Call Nafnin which 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,680 is very fun. Geek firs Day will be happening in August. It sometimes, 23 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:29,079 so tune on the patron. There are lots of good stuff there and 24 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:32,879 interaction stuff you can do. So yeah, just head down a lot for 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,359 everything you need to know or plan the apes. I'm gonna again leave kirkle 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,560 Lass, but this time I'm gonna start with mister Field. What was your 27 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:45,200 experience watched this with? Well, I guess we kind we kind of know 28 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:52,480 this this one. We've heard molt any new people jumping in just the complete 29 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,680 same thing that you said. But isn't there like you should tell a story 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,319 of Is this the one that you didn't end up for on the review for 31 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,159 right? Nope, Briggs didn't end up on this review. I ended up 32 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,639 reviewing this with Dylan. What was the review that Dylan and Briggs reviewed it? 33 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,199 Without quiet place and no outside their house watching Netflix waiting for them to 34 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,960 tell me to come in, and they're like, oh, we did the 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,520 review, but you didn't want to join for I'm like, what the fuck? 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,080 So I went back and picked Madison from Rock Climbing. I was like, 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,879 this is a waste of time. Okay, so so not this one, 38 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:30,520 but okay there so yeah this. I went and saw this a few 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,759 days early with Briggs because we went to the theater and they did a whole 40 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:38,240 marathon. So it was the Mark Alberg one. Nice, it was, 41 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:49,240 yeah, the the other one. Yeah, if they put the Mark Ohlberg 42 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,159 one back in the theaters, anybody would buy a ticket to go see Oh 43 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:54,080 I get I for sure think that people would. I know I would. 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,039 I'd love to actually see it on the big screen. I'd go like, 45 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,719 there's a bunch right now, like Alien and Spidery, but they're not playing 46 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,199 here and I'm pissed about spider Man. I really am. I really want 47 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,960 to take the girls the first Jeraimi films. I'm fucking livid. Every day 48 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,400 I'm throwing shit at Grand Tan and sounded like a monkey myself. No Landmark 49 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,919 and the boom, Yeah, second time this week, just show the Spider 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,759 Man movie, you know. But yeah, this this film has so much 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,319 going for it. And I remember seeing it in theaters and just coming off 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,520 of the two first films and getting to this one, you're already emotionally unstable 53 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:35,159 and you're just a fucking wreck, like and this movie does not hold back. 54 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,360 It's just the score is beautiful. The moment I finished this movie, 55 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,759 I went and I bought the I Remember One on my iTunes store, and 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,120 I bought the whole soundtrack, the whole score, and I listened to it 57 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:46,879 still to this day. Let's say pretty consistently. There's a few tracks on 58 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:52,000 there album and go to once a month just to get it into my system 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,800 because it's just it hits, It really really hits. But is this is 60 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:58,400 because you talk about this thing so much? Was this the one that made 61 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,800 you like a massive stan like I know you like a lot of his work, 62 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:03,439 was it? But was it this one? Or is there a different 63 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,039 one like Rattoo or something in particular where you're like Okay, he's my guy. 64 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,759 Now, you know, this one for me, it was when I 65 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,360 heard up, I'm like, Okay, Giacchino, he's one of the he's 66 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,120 one of my guys. You know. Ah, this one definitely stood out, 67 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,759 and I think that I say, maybe that's when I maybe that's why 68 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,959 I realized. But no, hang on, hang on, I think there's 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:32,279 something else sky high, ah, because when did he do this one twenty 70 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,720 seventeen? This was twenty seventeen. This is twenty seventeen. And when did 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,240 you do Star Trek Into Darkness? How long ago was that? Was that? 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Twenty thirteen? That's before this, I think, because like I think 73 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:48,120 I might have I don't know how to say it, because it's like this 74 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:50,920 movie. I think you're right. I seeing the name with the soundtrack probably 75 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,639 started to make me realize, like, okay, like his name is affiliated 76 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,759 with all these other tracks. And now when I'm older in retrospect, when 77 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,639 I look and see that he's had his hand in like Jurassic po and Star 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Wars and Star Trek, yeah, Disney Pixar movies, he's had his hand 79 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,759 tapped on like a lot of major ips that I really really like. So 80 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,879 just he's fantastic. Yeah, this score is just great. But the characters 81 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:17,759 in this movie, some of them are hauntingly just terrifying. But there's such 82 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,439 a sweet undertone to this movie that I really really like, and I think 83 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,839 it ends on there is I think, so yeah, a sweet undertone that 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,199 that ends on a high note as sad, as bittersweet as it is, 85 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,360 but it is sweet nonetheless, that's a take. I think there's like sweet 86 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:38,920 moments, but like, I don't think this movie has a sweet undertone. 87 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:43,240 Do I think this movie is fucking fucking sweet. That kernel man ye such 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,519 a nice guy. Some us understood. Uh. So My story with this 89 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,600 one is I did see the theaters, but this is one where I was. 90 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:57,000 This came out July, and I remember it came out specifically July twelfth 91 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,160 to thirteenth, because I bought tickets. War said Maine whatever. Because at 92 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:03,240 that point I was a big fan, like I was still as a big 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,079 fan of apes, but we had never done apes on geek first and heard, 94 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:11,040 oh, they're doing the trilogy, you know, Matt Reeve's trilogy as 95 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:12,639 the thing. Get to see a couple of days. They's so great. 96 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,920 I could not wait to go watch these all again. Uh, but at 97 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,600 this time, my wife, you know, mother and my children was past 98 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,639 the do day, like it was, it was already passed, so it's 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,480 like it was already risk but it had been a couple of days already, 100 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:30,680 so I had these tickets, so I was holding out and she went into 101 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:35,959 labor a boat I think that very same day. I think it was in 102 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:42,600 the afternoon in the morning. And then I also never remembered to refund my 103 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:45,800 ticket, so I paid for this whole experience, never got a refund or 104 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,360 anything like that. But it's okay because I got the child and it all 105 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:49,600 worked out. But so that was my experience, and then I didn't end 106 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:54,800 up seeing it to like I think a month later with Kyle And Yeah, 107 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:59,199 this one's interesting because I feel like lots of people have varying opinions on this. 108 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,079 I think the biggest thing is I've heard ballied against. It is not 109 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,319 of the biggest one of us, Like it's called war for of planet's but 110 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:08,439 it's not really war film, which I kind of understand. I think for 111 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,759 me, I'm just much more on a positive outline where I do have more 112 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:16,480 issues with this one, but I don't like there's nothing major. I don't 113 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:19,040 have anything like, oh this really takes me out. This is a big 114 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:21,839 problem. This is a big step down. I just feel that it's like 115 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:26,360 a very different type of film. I feel like this one is actually closer 116 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,240 to The Batman than Dawn because I feel like this has that similar slow pace. 117 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,399 It's very kind of depressing at times. It's very not so much like 118 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,399 the macabness of The Batman and like the tone of like goth and not that, 119 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,199 but just like the pace is a very You're dealing with a character that's 120 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:45,920 very hurt and you're working things through with them. And to me, that's 121 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,279 where like when I watch them, I can't find any too much sweetness in 122 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:53,240 there, you know, like in the first act we suffer some really terrible 123 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,279 deaths, like right away, you know. And that's where again where I 124 00:07:57,279 --> 00:07:59,120 was like, oh man, this guy can do Batman because like they pretty 125 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,279 much just make season and he makes the losses enough to go. But that's 126 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,680 where for me, Yeah, it's not necessarily it's about war, but this 127 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:09,680 is a revenge movie. It is still having to do with all the apes 128 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,040 and our characters, and you have the Kernel and the virus, like all 129 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:16,240 those things that were from the past. But this is a fully character study 130 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:22,439 about Caesar revenge film, like how far should you go to payback someone? 131 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,959 Right? What is the steps? What is the line? Where is your 132 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,600 you know, what can you sacrifice that doesn't even belong to you that should 133 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:30,879 be? And there's a lot of morality stuff. I fel like this is 134 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,679 the first time in the trilogy where you could always question Caesar, but this 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,559 is the first time he's making choices where he's like, ah, I don't 136 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,559 know in good ways where your question like I'd like, this is too far, 137 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,440 man, I think you gotta you gotta stop. And that's some of 138 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,039 the best places I love when they put our characters. When you put characters 139 00:08:46,039 --> 00:08:48,919 that you really enjoy and they're making decisions that you don't know are right, 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,279 that's where that's where the money is in. I think movies and TV shows 141 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,320 and characters when it's like gray area of man, I see the point of 142 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,759 view that this could also go down some bad stuff. So no, I 143 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,480 love this movie. I still you know, have Dawn above it. So 144 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:05,759 for my many rankings, but this is this ranks high. This is again 145 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,879 just the film craftmanship, the acting, the directing, the writing, the 146 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,960 score, everything, some great visual some great moments, some surprising moments. 147 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:18,600 So no, I still I'm a big fan of this movie, more fan 148 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:20,039 than I think others, because I feel like lots of people look at three 149 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,000 a's like, oh yeah, it's not a big step down, but it's 150 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,840 definitely like a step down from two. I don't look at it that way. 151 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,960 I just look at like two is a better movie. But this is 152 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,720 still still great stuff from Reeves and the crew. So current Pats are again 153 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:35,799 this is your first time. As you revealed in Dawn, you watch them 154 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,759 back to back. So what were your thoughts on this one? Closing out 155 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,039 the trilogy and Caesar's story here, I had, like the Kill Bill Volume 156 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,879 one two affect this one one one complete film. Yeah, I like, 157 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,799 I don't want to be a downer or anything, but this one was a 158 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:56,399 noticeable step down actually for me earlier at Dawn. Yeah, I still had 159 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,759 a good time with this one. I think it is still especially comparing it 160 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,519 to some of the earlier Apes films, like not counting the very first one, 161 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,759 but man, like what a step up from fucking something like Beneath or 162 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,480 or those types of movies, Like it has some fantastic moments. It looks 163 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,039 so beautiful. I was, I was shouting out the like the jungle biomes 164 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,080 of the last movie, the whole winter scapes that we have in this one. 165 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,679 It just it goes so well. This movie. Also, I just 166 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,320 remember had like some of the best posters that they ever had, like just 167 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,279 just having Caesar on the horse with the gun on his back, with like 168 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,600 the little girl. I just love those visuals. It just especially like while 169 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,080 when I was seeing those, I hadn't seen Dawn or anything, so I'm 170 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,519 like, I don't know what the fuck's going on at this point in time 171 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,399 and the chronological order of the events. But no, I think I also 172 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:48,879 just had really high expectations for the film because I just remember those trailers being 173 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,759 so topped here, even though I didn't really know everything that was going on 174 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,960 the story wise, I thought the marketing for this movie was just so top 175 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:00,240 tier. Having Woody Harrelson as the villain I was really really intrigued by, 176 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,919 which I like, I was just so disappointed by that villain. Like man, 177 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Woody Harrelson is Cone I don't want to say downhill, but like just 178 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,840 my recent viewing of his characters, I'm just really not, like, what 179 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:18,840 else is venom carnage? Like that's one of the worst things directed by circus. 180 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:22,600 You don't forget so like again, like it's probably pretty we got together 181 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:26,559 that he well, no, he didn't hire never mind, I'm wrong. 182 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:28,720 He didn't hire Woody Harrelson. That was in the first movie. So I 183 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,159 thought, because the connection of this, it's like, oh, I've worked 184 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:35,120 with it, you know what he I like, like, I'm directing Venom 185 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:37,960 too. But no, that was just like a happy accident. But and 186 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,320 like I get like, it's it's you know, two examples there, and 187 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,519 I'm probably hyperbolyzing by saying that, but it's just like recent memory. I 188 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:48,399 think my favorite Harrelson roles are like the earlier ones that I had seen of 189 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,480 him. I guess Zombie Zombie Land is a later one. Have you never 190 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:56,559 crossed off True Detective on your life? I've never seen True Defective. I 191 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,799 heard he's fantastic. You should put that hire on the list, just to 192 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,399 like rinse out the wood. What's what he's so great? You know that 193 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,919 is that stuff? I should do that because I I I do like him, 194 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:11,200 like I like again like in the comedies and stuff like I think he's 195 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,159 absolutely fantastic, but no, in this movie, I think maybe the the 196 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,840 coupling of a I had like just finished Dawn, which was just like ten 197 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,480 and a ten peak like okay, this like if Dawn is there, like 198 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,559 war has got to be just like another step up. And it really wasn't 199 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,440 for me. I I wasn't really super fond of the villain, which being 200 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,960 the Colonel. Also just like things, I don't know, can I say 201 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,639 spoilers at this point? I seen the movie you know, Come Come, 202 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,360 you know it's the killing off of blue Eyes, and and the mother was 203 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,320 just so fast and especially just kind of kind of the like blue Eyes is. 204 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,240 He's not the main pillar of the of Dawn, but like he is 205 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,279 in the movie quite a bit, And just coming from that movie, I'm 206 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,559 like, man, what's gonna happen now with blue Eyes? He's just gonna 207 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 be in such a more important role. They kill him off so quickly. 208 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,960 He goes out like fucking rouning the accuser just like a complete bitch that he's 209 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:13,080 supposed to against. It's like souped up call duties. It's like and take 210 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,399 out you know, a couple more humans, but Hoody Harrelson's turn into fucking 211 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:22,399 Jason Bourne. Here he's a cave diving like he's set. Like they got 212 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,279 some good ass shit these weapons. You know, that's not like I'm excited 213 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,639 to talk about this, because that's not things I've like. I've heard these 214 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,039 criticisms before, and I'm of two minds where I don't really have an answer, 215 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,960 and that's where I guess. I still like the film overall, So 216 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,679 I'm fine at the route they went because they that run is, yeah, 217 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,120 you killed off a character that you built up in the last movie very I 218 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:45,720 won't say nonchalantly, but it's like off screen, you just find his dead 219 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,120 body and you move on. And they don't make the new son, Cornelius, 220 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,080 like that much more of a character because he's still a child, right, 221 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,000 So you do lose a lot. But then at the same time, 222 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,080 for me, it's like, well, if you want to feel big loss, 223 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:00,840 that is, you know, because I feel like you can kill the 224 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,519 wife, but in these movies, I don't think the wife means as much. 225 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,559 Right. I don't know if you had to kill them both, but 226 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:09,600 I feel like that's where if you want to do the pitch of k he 227 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,039 no matter what, feels like he has to kill this guy. You got 228 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:15,679 to take someone big from him. So if he just kills like as bad 229 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,480 as it sounds like Maurice or Luca, like I think he kind of he 230 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,279 doesn't move on, but he can like process that where his son and his 231 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:24,320 daughter that's or his son of his wife. I feel like that's where it's 232 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,320 like, Okay, you understand, like if you were put yourself in that 233 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,120 perspective of you know, your wife and son get killed and you can get 234 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,159 the guy. It's gonna be tough, but you can get the guy, 235 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,919 would you? And that's where I'm up two minds where I completely get why 236 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:39,360 you and other people go, oh it is disappointing, But then I can 237 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,039 see the other side of well, how else would you make Caesar just so 238 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,840 obsessed with getting the colonel right, because if he just kills a couple other 239 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:50,679 apes, it's fine, But the wife and son, that's as it's not 240 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:54,440 the decision to kill them off, it's just the execution of it. Like 241 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,080 Luca, Luca had a more meaningful death than Blue Eyes here, and I 242 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,519 think that's just gonna bizarre but you know, it was a decision. We 243 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:07,600 had to have some sort of cause to get Sezer to go on this this 244 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,159 rampage of revenge. So that's fair. And again this might be something. 245 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,159 The more we talk about these specific moments, I like them a little bit 246 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:16,759 more that that's already happened, you know, on the Dawn. On the 247 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,320 Dawn retro, I had that happen once or twice, so that could kill 248 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,480 off And you know, I mentioned Luca even just there's a certain part of 249 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,240 this movie I just felt like we were losing characters. I thought Rocket was 250 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,840 gonna go out like really easily as well, and I was worried. I 251 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:37,080 was worried about that. I was actually impressed that they managed to save him. 252 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,519 I thought he was just gonna get destroyed by the Red Donkey in that 253 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,080 one moment and then that was just gonna be a death there, and like 254 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,919 like up until that point, it's like, well, of course they're going 255 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:48,120 to kill him off here. They killed Blue Eyes off so easily. They 256 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,000 just killed off Luca, Like it just seems like we're trying to kill off 257 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,960 members to just have our our little our crew here just just go down in 258 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,360 numbers to make it seem like like the Fellowship of just losing people and and 259 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:07,039 like to have some some significance on on theirmaining members. But I don't know, 260 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,559 it's it's just my initial reaction to to losing those characters was just like, 261 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:14,759 ah, that's not the best way to do it in my mind, 262 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,000 to war though, you know they're all dying and stuff. I'm actually surprised, 263 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:21,559 other than Maurice, that Rocket did make it because I thought with especially 264 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:22,960 now with Kingdom, we're jumping so far in the future. I don't think 265 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,039 we're gonna see Maurice, right. I don't know if we're gonna see Cornelius 266 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:32,120 because I don't think the main character is flashbacks, right, I imagine. 267 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,759 I don't think we're gonna like Cornelius. Could that even be an option because 268 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,879 that's not the name character than this one, right, Kingdom and someone else, 269 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,720 unless it's a descendant, I mean worth hundreds of years in the future, 270 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:47,039 right. I thought it was confirmed. Okay, that's what I Yeah, 271 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,480 I didn't know where it was. So that's where it's interesting. I'm 272 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:52,559 sure you'll get some descendants of them and stuff. You got the rain Tangs 273 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:56,240 telling the story, so I was surprised, yeah, Rocket did make it, 274 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,879 because I thought we were losing them all and I hadn't seen this one 275 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:00,879 in a while because, like I said, because this one is like, 276 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,680 it's very depressing. You open up your movie the first fifteen to twenty minutes 277 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:10,000 killing it's three years, three hundred years, just three years or definitely three 278 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:17,839 months, three months after Franco back where Caesar I didn't die. Yeah, 279 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:21,039 okay, seeah, we're definitely not getting So yeah, I'm kind of surprised 280 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:26,599 they all made it. But yeah, I was just gonna round off my 281 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:30,319 initial there of like some of those decisions I think just brought down my overall 282 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,960 enjoyment. I still think that this movie has some fantastic stakes at play, 283 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,319 and again like, uh, some complexity to the individual sides, Like we 284 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,079 find out the Colonel and his faction, you know, they got they got 285 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,440 bigger fish to fry than just these chimps, which which is not something I 286 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,079 was expecting to see at all. And you know, this is where they 287 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:55,200 introduced kind of the prolonged effects or maybe the mutation of the Sindian flu of 288 00:17:55,599 --> 00:18:00,000 bringing the humans down to the ape level, which initially I was like Okay, 289 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,200 I guess so you gotta get there, right, we gotta get there. 290 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:06,279 And and the more I stood on it, I'm like, I actually 291 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,960 kind of like that. I I kind of like how this this disease it 292 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,839 not only just wiped out a good chunk of them, but it is also 293 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,279 having this like reverse evolution effects sort of like it just making them stupid, 294 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:19,839 and so you either die or you live, but then you get devolved for 295 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:25,240 you know, living. Yeah, it's it's it's almost like a weird zombie 296 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,400 like, uh like evolution of the humans here. And I did like that 297 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,200 for the most part. So there is a lot of aspects in this movie 298 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,039 that I did like, but it's just it's just really not as clean as 299 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:37,720 what the last movie was. And I think because i'd just seen it, 300 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,839 it was just such a noticeable, uh just such a noticeable drop off for 301 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,960 me. But yeah, so I'm excited to unpack it. I was gonna 302 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,920 ask you before we get to Taylor's thoughts, So, like the movie overall 303 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,119 doesn't live up to Dawn, do you still is it a satisfying conclusion of 304 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,079 trilogy or even is that kind of a little wavering for you as far as 305 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:02,359 like these three films, the ending of it all. I I, yeah, 306 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,440 it's definitely satisfying by the end. It's not like some weird cliff and 307 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:10,960 watching. Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's that by any means, 308 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,839 because you know, if it was that bad, like it potentially could have 309 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,279 brought down some of the events of Don Right, which is just such a 310 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,519 solid movie because Don directly sets this up. And if it is just such 311 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:26,319 a disappointing finale, it's like, when I rewatch these, maybe I'll just 312 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,240 not watch that. So I'm glad that wasn't the result. I think even 313 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:34,720 just like the whole revenge stuff with Caesar, it is like the main idea 314 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,359 of what this movie is, like, like he's just totally shifted on his 315 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,440 ideals because of an understandable moment, right like when he loses his wife and 316 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,400 his son after sparing the humans too. It's not even that they just killed 317 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,400 them. He gave them a chance to be like, I'm not going to 318 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,559 kill these, Like he showed mercy for them, and what was their response 319 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,799 to kill his family. It's like the alt like the ultimate one eighty of 320 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,480 like you're saying, because there's a chance that if they kill those soldiers, 321 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,599 they don't go back and say all like give them the deats and stuff. 322 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:06,799 There's a chance if he kills those humans at the beginning, his son and 323 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,920 wife are still around, which has to be a yeah, they wouldn't know 324 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,480 where they are, right, Like it would be a lot of uh and 325 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,480 and like I like that in hindsight of just having a lot of consequence on 326 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,319 on Caesar directly, Like it might not have been his hand that killed is 327 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,559 his son and my wife, but his actions indirectly totally uh resulted that. 328 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,440 So I a few times, right when he leaves them the camp and they 329 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,279 get captured, like maybe they still have got captured, but he feels like, 330 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:34,519 oh, I could have led them in a way that the people wouldn't 331 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,599 be here, right. So it's like multiple times you see that his actions 332 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:42,160 have a reaction, good or bad, mostly bad unfortunately for Caesar. And 333 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,720 I think I think just the fact that we're jumping from like the fact that 334 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:51,799 he was not this all knowing leader but just the super wise individual that is 335 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:56,640 like their one defining Yeah, and like he's always staying true to his morals, 336 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,799 where you know, he loses his his loved ones and that just goes 337 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,680 up window now and he's going like full Coba. Initially, like I didn't 338 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:07,799 like that, but the fact that they bring in Koba and like like directly 339 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:11,319 have Caesar realize that he's kind of becoming this and he's having this internal struggle. 340 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,720 He's realizing that he's not strong enough to kind of put this revenge to 341 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,759 the side and just focus on what's important. Like, I do love those 342 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,640 moments. So I am a little bit conflicted because there's some decisions in here. 343 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,599 It's like, I don't know, this is kind of strange. But 344 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,079 they also kind of cover it. It's not like they're trying to hide the 345 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,599 fact of like they're shifting his his motivation and and what his goal is. 346 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,599 They're actually talking about that. So I do like that. I think I 347 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,200 just I don't know, I need more time to stew upon it. It's 348 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,279 too fresh. And that's where you know, like you're talking the wrong person. 349 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,839 I'm somebody that believes in the death penalty, so you know whatever, 350 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,640 but that the lesson of life is and what the morality tale is. Like 351 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,079 Caesar, even at the end, he has to get revenge. He goes 352 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,759 to the colonel still decides not the kilms, that's good. But on his 353 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,519 way he gets shot. So again you could argue, if he wouldn't have 354 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,519 gone back there, try to thought about getting revenge, he could still be 355 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,119 living with his son the apes. But that's where it's trying to show you, 356 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,759 like, don't that might be what your your emotions and your feelings are 357 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:11,559 telling you like to get back of the person, But it is sometimes you 358 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,119 gotta take the high road. And if you would have taken the high road, 359 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,960 he would have left. But he had like three or four times like 360 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,799 we get out of here, he'll be good, and you're like, no, 361 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,359 I'm doing this. You know. It's just like he he really was 362 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,559 like possessed by the idea and it kind of is fitting. Like I hate 363 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,359 that he dies, like it's always heartbreak. I hate that because it's such 364 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,920 a journey, especially you literally see this like eight from like baby Chimpanzee to 365 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,720 the end. But it's like even in the theater, I was like, 366 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,440 I know he has to die of a man, I don't want him die. 367 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,200 In the second it's the same thing. I feel so bad for the 368 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,680 fucking Cornelius man, just also his family. In forty eight hours, just 369 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:48,440 like incummeries. Yeahs and and what's uh blue Lake or no not fast Lake? 370 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,279 Fuck bad fuck bad epe Oh your dad died but you got bad ape? 371 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:56,279 No, yeah Lake. He was like a surrogate, like sister in 372 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,759 law and a way. But yeah, how'd you feel about all the the 373 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,480 big deaths and Caesar's motivation for kicking off this journey because it's not for the 374 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,279 Apes, it's for himself, you know. Yeah. I I was just 375 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:11,319 I was really excited to see this lineage of Caesar kind of continue on and 376 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:22,160 fuck go Colba's back. Oh oh no, no, she just stops crying 377 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:30,920 instantly. Just but yeah, I think that getting the lineage cut short here 378 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,720 well of course, uh Cornelia is still alive. I think that's fantastic and 379 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:38,799 I hope that they play off of that in the Kingdom. But seeing, 380 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,119 yeah, just the stakes raised, and I think that's what really sets the 381 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,559 tone for me. And I mean I never felt connected to the wife, 382 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,319 and I definitely felt connected to Blue Eyes, but that's why it really felt 383 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:53,759 in awe and shock. And could they have expanded upon that, yes, 384 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,440 But to me, I feel like we got the expansion of the deep dive 385 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,960 with that character in the last one, and there are times when I thought 386 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:03,759 the last one he was actually gonna get killed in certain situations. So here 387 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,720 we are now, and I feel like his death it happened, and I 388 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,599 as much as I hated it because it was just so emotionally like holy shit 389 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:14,880 as a moment, but I still was able to kind of like accept it 390 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,480 because I've gotten to know this character and see everything. I know. The 391 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:21,480 stakes are elevated here because as you guys talked about, Caesar's going through a 392 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,680 lot of turmoil. Now he's haunted by these visions of Coba, which are 393 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:29,400 just eerie as they loomed throughout And yeah, so now I think it really 394 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,880 puts an interesting light now on Caesar, and I like that in each film 395 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,440 he's really overcoming all these different things in his life and these different challenges. 396 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:44,319 And it sucks because I wish that the other apes could have could learn these 397 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,480 these teachings, these lessons that he is going through. And I feel like 398 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,559 all of these things that he's going through, it's very much accustomed to him 399 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,519 as a as a character, and he takes the weight, he takes the 400 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,640 load of all of these problems and everything so that as people can thrive and 401 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720 can continue on and exists, and they get to this amazing new place. 402 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:10,039 But the message of Caesar here, even though he stood for so many good 403 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,039 things and stood for his kind, it will it's going to be warped and 404 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,319 distorted in the future, I'm sure, and that'll be I'm hoping they expand 405 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,359 upon that a little bit, because it's just the way the way things go. 406 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,480 So I think that I can't even remember where I was going with all 407 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:37,000 this the ape characters ship, What am I doing here? What was the 408 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,440 initial question just about the death and answer? So you can take us somewhere 409 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,279 else if you want to go now you couldn't go anywhere, can go anywhere 410 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,519 at all? Anywhere? Yeah, I want to go to the colonel here 411 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,319 at the end though, at the end where just the final war breaks out, 412 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,000 and I think this this scene, it was quiet and it was really 413 00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:02,920 crazy when the last remnant of like humans just storm this base and it's just 414 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,279 all out chaos and destruction and war and you got helicopters and tanks, like 415 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,519 it's just nuts. And I wasn't expecting this in this movie at all, 416 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,000 or they caught me off guard to see the human be human aspect here. 417 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:22,200 But again I think I said this in the Don retro where all of the 418 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,960 negatives that humans encounter and this trilogy or human cause, and in this one 419 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,440 in particular, it wasn't really the Simian flu that really sealed the deal here 420 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,519 for them. They literally just like mother Nature was like, you know what, 421 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,400 fine, one more fuck you, and they launched their bombs and the 422 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,960 avalanche came down and just took them out. And it's just it was all 423 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,759 human cause they could have they could have been that better, that better guy, 424 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,319 like, you know what, let these humans just die out here in 425 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,599 this little nook in the middle of nowhere, and we're just gonna buger off 426 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,440 and go do our own thing and leave it be. And we don't even 427 00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:59,119 know what it's like around the world with other apes, and we assume that 428 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359 it's it's it's like this if you go to Australia or you go to the 429 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,720 UK. We assume that those apes are also evolving based on this flu, 430 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:11,640 because the flu moved from through the airlines. But yeah, they didn't, 431 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240 they didn't take that. The humans just went here, they fought, and 432 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,359 I just thought this whole scene was just absolutely bonkers and crazy. And the 433 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,519 one thing I like in particular is when you don't know how these humans are 434 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,000 gonna react with the apes. And so when the apes are sneaking out and 435 00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,359 they like before the avalanche hits, the guys in their suits like turn in 436 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,640 look at them, and you're wondering, like, what are they gonna do? 437 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,079 And of course they they go to sit, they start opening fire on 438 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,960 them, which again, it's just fucked. I thought they were gonna show 439 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,240 those humans at the end being like, oh, these are not good humans. 440 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,359 But the way they're doing that with the apes of like, okay, 441 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200 some apes choose violence, them don't. So the fact that they had that 442 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,240 soldier start to raise the gun that I will say it was like a little 443 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,440 disappointed, And I don't really know what the message was there. It was 444 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,680 his own judgment call. It wasn't the order. He's like, you know 445 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,920 what, fu Yeah. I thought it was gonna be like, Okay, 446 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,640 again, this is showing Caesar there are some good humans out there. Even 447 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,039 with this one. That guy he's saved became a complete shit bag. You 448 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,920 know, he didn'tend up saving Caesar. Donkey had to fucking blow him away 449 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,079 with RBG Preacher. Yeah, so I thought, oh, this is gonna 450 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,039 be And so that is one little thing i'd have where I don't know the 451 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:15,960 point of the eight Like it's just is it. So when we get to 452 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,680 Kingdom, we don't feel bad about the apes or the humans because in this 453 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:23,519 movie, it's not like with Malcolm everything. This movie we got no good 454 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,799 humans really, you know, we didn't get to see that. We saw 455 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,799 the Colonel's team and then we saw the next team who they killed the colonel. 456 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,920 So maybe the girl she's the only good human. Yeah, true, 457 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,119 but like she's good, which that's some problems to Like, is that guy 458 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,440 her dad that they kill accidentally? Which guy was it at the barns when 459 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,519 he both goes a pole gun and then Caesar suits him. Yea, I 460 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:52,759 don't understand how Lucas dying and she's bawn like a motherfucker. But then suppose 461 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,799 this guy who is her father, not a single tear shed for him. 462 00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,000 So that's the only thing I was trying to think is maybe that's not her 463 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:00,279 dad and just some guy that's on her taking care of her, because like, 464 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,720 hey, it's a little kid. But so that's why I try head 465 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,000 cannon. But if that is her father, it makes no sense why she's 466 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,799 like emotionless but these monkeys she's known for less than a day. Man, 467 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,079 the world is over. I know it's a kid, but still like I 468 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:15,839 feel like they made the kids smart off that react the way. So I 469 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,480 had a couple of little things with that too. That's fair, you know, 470 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,200 I think I would prefer to head cannon that it wasn't actually her dad. 471 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,119 Maybe me too, Like a soldier who hold your hostage, she knows, 472 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,480 I mean she was infected, right, Like, maybe the order is 473 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,880 to just fucking chop her head off or something. I don't know, because 474 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,359 because because because he had he was marked right by the uh the omega symbol 475 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,720 whatever it was. So maybe it's maybe that was the order to just because 476 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:47,680 Colonel's Colonel's orders, right, was to just execute those individuals that ever. 477 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,599 Yeah, but Tay, you didn't talk much about the actual current. You 478 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:52,759 brought him up and you start talking about the idea of it, but what 479 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,039 about what he harrels? And you know, yeah, I mean he just 480 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,519 when the moment he appears and he just fucking annihilates the family. It's just 481 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,559 like I want tom a war Zone team. Yeah, like god damn. 482 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:07,880 Also, he's also not gonna revive you though, this guy. You're down, 483 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,799 You better self revived, bitch, because I ain't getting you're like oh, 484 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,960 but yeah, he just from the things that he's talking to with Caesar 485 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,880 and just like kind of like Probe and Caesar and like, I don't know 486 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,160 if he wants necessarily learning more about him, but just kind of like instilling 487 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,279 his way of life. And I feel like there's just this kind of like 488 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,759 interest in his enemy when he's talking to Caesar and like, and again it's 489 00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,119 very it's shameful too because he's just making them be slaves and whatnot. He 490 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,200 wants them to be have their will stripped out. And that's another huge factor 491 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:45,599 too with this character, just overseering overseeing them just being demotivated and if you 492 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,000 resist or you help you anything like that, it's just it's just the slaver 493 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,039 kind of stuff. Just it's just brutal, just brutal, And I think 494 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,400 that's what makes you hate this this guy even more. Like we've seen humans 495 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,279 do very shitty things in this relogy because they're you know, they're idiots or 496 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,839 they're in for money but here you have, at the first time we have 497 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,880 a human that's thinking from it, thinking at this scenario from a huge military 498 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:18,599 standing and just a real piece of shit, like just because he hates them, 499 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,599 he really hates them. So I think that's that's an interesting transition because 500 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,759 it's not for any other motivation. And it's tough, right, because that 501 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,799 I think is the some of the toughest villains is they did give him some 502 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:37,680 motivation, but it's like a, I don't not some they did. I 503 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,039 guess it's a tough thing to talk about even because like they do make him 504 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,519 a bit more of a political villain, where at first they really pose amts. 505 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,920 He's just the bad guy. He's the bad guy that hates apes and 506 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,000 he's a slave guy. And that's always hard, right because we're gonna talk 507 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,960 about mad Max Layer today for breaking forth wall. But that's different. It's 508 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,759 like, okay, more than Joe just a bad guy, right, but 509 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:57,319 they make him super cool with an outfit and like a voice. It's like 510 00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,440 a The Vader thing where it's like, okay, he's bad, but he 511 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,000 looks like a comic book bad guy, where this is like, okay, 512 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,319 he's just bad and they reveal his methods of he's not bad, he is 513 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,599 for him trying to give the human race another shot. And he feels that 514 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,640 even if you have to axe you peep, you have to. And I 515 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,160 imagine there's probably people in real life that do feel that way, right, 516 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,079 I don't know how bad COVID got, but I'm sure there's people that maybe 517 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,759 would have made that call where that's not myself. Myself, I'm not gonna 518 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,559 be, you know, slaughtering my family to like, oh hope this gets 519 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:29,799 better, and it it was really for nothing because they're all getting sick anyway. 520 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,799 So like he kind of ends up being an idiot because he thought this 521 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,400 would help and it did. Like they're like they're just all getting infected. 522 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880 So it feels like they're going for a character that's a little misinformed and he's 523 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:44,039 making these bold choices when really it just you gotta play it out a little 524 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:47,200 bit, or it should be you investing in your people. So I I 525 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,839 like Woody in the role. I think he's what he always does a great 526 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,759 job just being that smarmy just like just to fucking prick, like when he's 527 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,640 just looking down at Caesar when Caesar's just like tied up and then thrown the 528 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,480 water. Just that look, even onto the glasses, you can just feel 529 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,680 like man Woody Harrelson. It's just he's a vile motherfucker. And it's almost 530 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,079 sometimes the same thing of like until they talked about the something, it's like 531 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:12,200 Izzy doing this as an excuse to be violent, of like, oh yeah, 532 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,279 I'm trying to help people. But he's so off kilter you never know. 533 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,839 But then you get that moment at the end with him and Caesar where 534 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:22,240 they say, like, oh, you're gonna like Caesar's talking about I showed 535 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:23,799 your men mercy and you know, oh, well, you're not gonna show 536 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,559 me mercy even though I killed your you know, your son, your wife, 537 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,640 Like what you're gonna do to me? And Caesar does do that. 538 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,559 He's the bigger man, bigger ape and shows of mercy and like the Colonel 539 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,039 kind of acknowledges that there's some tears there. So he's a very like complex 540 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,680 character where I think for me, where I would have liked him more, 541 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,279 I think we needed maybe a little more time with him. And it's already 542 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,640 a long movie, right, so it's tough that it's a finale there's lots 543 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,839 of apes, lots of pieces, but I think maybe like even ten more 544 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,279 minutes to learn a bit more about him. So I still like it overall. 545 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,400 And it's also tough coming off Koba, where I think Coba is top 546 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,759 tier villain, where I think this is like a very good villain for I 547 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:06,640 guess what the story needs as far as we just need Caesar to have vengeance 548 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,400 filled in his heart. Right. So I like the Colonel, but it's 549 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,840 not like oh Man, one of my favorite villains of you know, the 550 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,760 sci fi Genre's like, okay, he's he gets the job done, but 551 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,679 Kirkle and you had some he had some issues right here, you're done Withody 552 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,280 Harrelson, you see him? Uh No, I yeah, I'm not a 553 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,159 fan of the Colonel here, I and hear what you're saying. I feel 554 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,159 like, for me, he just he seemed a little too like one note 555 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,360 in the sense of like he's never gonna waiver from his decision, like he 556 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:42,559 is just pure against the apes and just like a little extreme, well very 557 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,599 extreme actually when you find out he's murking his own soldiers and even later on 558 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,880 when he's talking about his son, like I thought it was gonna be like 559 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,039 a really heartfelt moment where he was like really conflicted, you couldn't do it, 560 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,320 but he's like, I just fucking shot my son right then and there, 561 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,079 yeah, because he's like this is my purpose, this is my whatever. 562 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,280 And much like Carver though, it's like there are all those people, 563 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,119 right, so it's like, well, semi believable, but like he's not 564 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:05,039 really complicated from that point on, Like he is just kind of a Darth 565 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,480 Vader character. He's just evil and he and like that's just what he is, 566 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:13,519 and there's no real I don't know, like like there's not a lot 567 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,639 of depth in his decision of like wavering. Like I thought there's gonna be 568 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,119 moments when he brings Caesar up to his his quarters to uh, you know, 569 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,719 just just just talk to him, and then he loves talking to Caesar. 570 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,119 Man. He like I'm always waiting for them to be like help us 571 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:29,880 with the war, and he gets some food. But I feel like he 572 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,960 just he does just want to see what Caesar is and that's what I but 573 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,719 that's what I was waiting for, was like some of those moments of like 574 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,760 maybe meeting somewhere in the middle, like hey, if you agree to do 575 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,079 this or like rally your troops. I'll I'll give you people food and water, 576 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,480 and he's like, you'll get your fucking food and water when you're done 577 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,440 building the wall. It's like the wall's not gonna be built, like and 578 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,159 that decision, it just it's like, hey, he's kind of stupid, 579 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,000 like like he doesn't realize that the apes actually need sustenance in order to work. 580 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,039 But then the next day he does get him that though, right he 581 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,039 does. That's when the star shows up. Okay, yeah, you got 582 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,400 me there with the I guess it does talk him down eventually, but he 583 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,880 comes off as kind of like an idiotor I agree with you there where it's 584 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,000 like if Caesar doesn't say this, he's like, well, let's just hope 585 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,280 this works out, and like by the end, you know, his his 586 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,280 fade. He ultimately gets poisoned by the doll that Nova has that she kind 587 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,599 of infected infects him. I kind of like how it was so simple in 588 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,519 that sense, but it's also just a little bit less satisfying because he doesn't 589 00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,079 really like he's not even really part of the war. When it finally comes 590 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,320 down to the other soldiers coming to raid like he's just on bed rest. 591 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,000 He's he's going, Yeah, when the war starts, he's already gone. 592 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,280 He's already made his But I think that's supposed to say something that like, 593 00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:45,519 I guess he feels well, No, I guess it's shows he's a man 594 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,639 of conviction. I guess right, because he's willing to kill himself to stop 595 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,440 this virus from going, even though I feel like they buried the bodies in 596 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,360 the snow because they felt it would spread. So I feel like you're busted 597 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,199 brains all over this lot isn't gonna not spread it so all over the food 598 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,639 rations. He just blew his head. At least go out there and maybe 599 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:05,239 do some shooting first, you know, at least take a couple of bullets 600 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,039 and save some of your guys. But these guys are fighting a war that 601 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,400 they don't even know is over their colonels up there fucking dead. It's like 602 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,480 an eight off Hitler situation. We just just covered Rebel Moon part two, 603 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,960 and we were talking about that that king's mother that just like suicide herself when 604 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,000 the invasion was happening. Same idea, like his soldiers don't really even know 605 00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:28,960 what happened to him, like the like on their on their Yeah, the 606 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,880 morale is like where's our soldier or sorry, where's our leader to like lead 607 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,320 the soldiers into battle, and he's They just think he's fucking hiding out in 608 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:44,480 his bedroom listening to some tunes, jerking off or something. One minute, 609 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,079 I did like that Caesar didn't pull the trigger. You know, it showed 610 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,960 the I don't know, just more so the character of Caesar better man than 611 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,519 me. I would have fucking took my monkey Claus and I would have been 612 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,920 all over that guy. Fisto, yeah, each bone. I would start 613 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,840 by one leg. Oh yeah, I don't care. I said, I'm 614 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,760 all for the death. I'm not in the oh. I forgive you mercy, 615 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,719 no penalty to fucking just torturing this guy to death. Break I think, 616 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480 I don't care. You're going citizen on him. Cut this out, 617 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:20,079 share it when I run for office one day. Fucking people that are raping 618 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,719 and killing kids whatnot. You could torch those people all day long. I 619 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,360 don't give a ship. Those are people that don't deserve it. So if 620 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,280 it's like we're gonna if their death was hey, you know you're a pedophile 621 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,280 you did these things, you're death by executioners. We're gonna put you in 622 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,000 a room with a chimpanzee. Good luck to you. I'd be like, 623 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,800 yeah, sure, dude, Like I'm completely like Caesar should have fucking pounded 624 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,280 up every bone in that guy's body because fuck man, like he did not 625 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,840 have to kill. Like he's like, oh I was looking for you. 626 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,480 You know, that's not them, this fucking like you know this, like 627 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,159 especially this female ape like you know, like you know, it's not Caesar. 628 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,000 So he's just a piece and it's fine because that's whatoy Harrelson's character. 629 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,000 He's a piece of shit person. But like he didn't have to kill those 630 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,760 people, you know. So on the note, I think it would have 631 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,159 been better if Caesar didn't leave the gun with him and just fucking left him. 632 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,400 Yeah, so I'm not gonna kill you. I'm not gonna kill you, 633 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,280 but I'm not gonna save you either, you know, yeah, because 634 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,079 yeah, that would have been the result I would have preferred there. So 635 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,000 yeah, just taking the high road, right because the whole movie didn't and 636 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:19,559 to fuck him over. So he's gonna I'm I'm not gonna kill I'm gonna 637 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,960 let him do whatever he wants. So the ape Caesar is a better person 638 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,000 than me, I guess, so I wouldn't have been surprised. But the 639 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,760 Colonel just shot Caesar there and then shot himself like like like the movie did 640 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,920 nothing for me to think otherwise. Yeah, he is a piece of shit 641 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,599 character that would do. He did have like a war mentality, so he 642 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,960 respected Caesar for like putting him out of his misery. That's why, like 643 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,159 it's very like it is a very the reason I guess some like why the 644 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,880 character works and doesn't work for me because like I don't like I don't get 645 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,880 on board with like the war mentality and people like that. So it is 646 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,239 that sort of way of well he is now respects Caesar because he gave him 647 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,039 the chance to off himself instead just killing him, right, and he's showing 648 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,719 a mercy so fair enough. Yeah, overall, didn't love it. Really 649 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,440 didn't like the Colonel. I think I was just expecting a lot, especially 650 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,800 the complexity of our villains from the previous movie. It was just like, 651 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,480 Okay, this guy's just evil and we're just going with that. You know. 652 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:16,400 He made some arguments for like he does give them food, which is 653 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,159 fair enough, but yeah, just not what I was hoping for. Yeah, 654 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,159 but great job and make it if you want to, if you want 655 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,679 to make me feel like you want a character to die, I think they 656 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,039 did that. Theyre all that stuff with the apes and the camps and treat 657 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,079 them the way they are. They got them shrung up, just like they 658 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:36,280 did in the original movies, like they're from places, those xes up, 659 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,320 yeah, and like that's brutal. They're just like out there, some of 660 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,000 them dying. Did. Like caes you got thrown water on, which that's 661 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,000 a piece of trivia. They told Circus it was gonna be warm water. 662 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,880 They fully intended it to be warm water, but they forgot to warm up. 663 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,280 So when they threw it on me, it was ice cold. But 664 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,519 he was happy because he's like, oh it made the scene better because yeah, 665 00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:59,360 these suits stink. But yeah, so that's the same thing. In 666 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,679 the store, they throw cold water on just let them sit overnight, and 667 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,599 it's like already the apes, like you can see their breasts. It's like 668 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,760 this fucking that's the same thing. Even if Caesars don't get shot, there's 669 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,880 a chance he's fucking dying for just like hypothermia, so like he was, 670 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,880 they put him through the fucking ringer. But I think they if you talk 671 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,360 about the middle portion as far as if, which I think they want to 672 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,239 do, make you just feel dread. They even the first they make you 673 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,280 feel dread. Those camps feel real bad, like they're definitely going for like 674 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,360 when we talk about like apes, the first one having that you know, 675 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,679 kind of a lot of allusions to racisms and things that happen in life. 676 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,639 That's concentration camps, right, They're like what they're doing there, and they 677 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,920 do a very good like that poor rangeting when he can't even fucking move and 678 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,840 then so he's like, oh, he just needs food, and the colonel 679 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,920 like gives a head and then just shoots them right on the spot. You're 680 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,599 like, fuck man, like anybody can go. But it's I think it's 681 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,239 smart. One thing I will give the colonel though, because I know some 682 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,559 people are like, oh, why didn't just shoot Caesar. I think the 683 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,000 colonel recognizes that, Like if he shoots Caesar, I think these apes are 684 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:57,920 gonna fucking turn on me because they all like so I did like that where 685 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,119 he was smart enough to go, Okay, I gotta try to somehow work 686 00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,719 or figure out something to do with this ape, because if I kill this 687 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,199 guy, they might turn and sure they might die, right, but that's 688 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,760 not the point. They don't want. They're not there to make the apes 689 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,079 their slaves. They need these apes to get this fucking wall built, so 690 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,840 they save themselves. So that that's where I like that push and pull of 691 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,639 Caesar does have a little power, and Caesar knows that because it's a great 692 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:22,599 scene when they're all like cheering, and it's almost similar to the first one. 693 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,159 I remember when Brian Cox was going out that night and he looked and 694 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,440 all the apes were like, oh, like, they have that moment again 695 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,840 here where Woody Harrison realizes fuck like, he is like the alpha, like 696 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,239 that there's no I gotta be careful with how I do this. So I 697 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,800 still think that he would have shot Caesar right there though, right he was 698 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,159 counting down to five and then Lake like gets back to work, and that's 699 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,960 kind of what changes. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think there. 700 00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,719 I think later on, I think you're right. I think later on 701 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,599 he realizes not so much. So that's why he pins him up and does 702 00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:52,400 like, well, I'm not gonna kill your leader, but I can show 703 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:58,039 you that I can have your yes. So I think you're right in that 704 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,880 moment though he hadn't put tune to get there, and he was ready just 705 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,280 to you know, good on lake for save and save the fucking huge rock 706 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,719 shait to lift up. My god, he probably saved all the apes there, 707 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,480 because if Caesar dies, I don't think they they would have been able 708 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,719 to get out of there. Right. Hopefully her and Marie are of the 709 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,840 one lean apes because she was making those who were making better decisions than Caesar 710 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,639 was in this movie, you know, because he was absolutely especially the pivotal 711 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,639 moment. He just that pivotal moment, you know, fucking Corneas just lost 712 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:28,079 his brother, lost his mom. I feel like maybe he's close with dad 713 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,480 Mo, not the closest because I feel like Caesar's like always busy off to 714 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:36,239 war doing this type of stuff. So the fact that his son's there and 715 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,360 they're about to go to a new location, that's when Caesar decides this is 716 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,719 the time. It's much like Aragorn right before the Big Bower Turn the King, 717 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,280 where he has to go speak to the arm and dead. All the 718 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,880 apes are like what the fuck? Like where's Caesar going at least for that 719 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,960 one though, Ara Goron's like, well, I'm going so I can like 720 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,320 hope again an army to help us out. Caesar's leaving completely just for ah, 721 00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,960 fuck you guys all, you know, Like I like, he's not 722 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,039 saying that, but the same way, A big thing to put on Lake, 723 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,119 like take care of my son. It's like that shouldn't be her fucking 724 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,639 burden, like step no, man, Like I know that guy killed your 725 00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,320 wife and somebody like, no, you gotta step up. You gotta stay 726 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,880 here to take care of your son. But I like that for the character 727 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:17,679 because again it makes you, uh question your your hero. So we want 728 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:21,840 to go to next Yeah, we lost Luca. We we met uh what 729 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,960 was the what'll bino ape? Winter winter fucking turncoat? He was scared next 730 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,280 day essentially, yeah, exactly, Yeah, but I see, and that's 731 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,719 so death. I really like that they're trying to make him quiet, but 732 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,760 like Caesar's just still so pissed off with this ape, but he kind of 733 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,760 accidentally kills the ape, like I guess, like up to interpretation, but 734 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,840 yeah, we lost him. We didn't lose rocket. We lost Luca. 735 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,039 Who Yeah, I got shot by a couple of soldiers. Unfortunately, he 736 00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:51,360 got stabbed in the end. Yeah, you're right, he got stabbed by 737 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,159 the what is that thing? They haven't like a Yeah, so he fucking 738 00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:57,760 killed those guys. But yeah he got which I'm surpri I guess if you 739 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,840 hit a grill on the right spot, it could do the trick. I 740 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,639 guess, right, he's the big guys. But like that was a moment 741 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:08,239 that I just didn't think the death was necessary. And also it is just 742 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,320 like, okay, we're just dropping characters here, like, Okay, you 743 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,639 got poked with a little fucking toothpick. Okay, this giant gorilla gets killed 744 00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:19,599 here. But it's just it just split up Caesar from the other ones, 745 00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:22,760 right, because that's exactly you man, exactly, And like it just seems 746 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,639 like, okay, by this point in the movie, we have to be 747 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,159 down to x amount of apes, so let's just say that he gets poked 748 00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:35,800 by little bayonet here, you know, drops his giant gorilla. Like story 749 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,000 wise, it didn't really seem super necessary because we still have a shit ton 750 00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:42,199 of apes in the end, Like why does it? I guess it just 751 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,000 has to be a consequence thing. But well, because I think the idea 752 00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,719 is so like it's literally just story stuff because Caesar has to be alone, 753 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,280 right, and then those apes can't be with him because they help escape, 754 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,400 right, so they all get kidnapped. They don't find the underground. So 755 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,840 it's literally just like a story exposition sort of thing of how do we sweat 756 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,280 these guys out? Okay, Luca has to die and they say this is 757 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,639 enough, let's go back, and then she was like, no, I'm 758 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,159 not going. So that's why it's just kind of like a it's a plot 759 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,920 device to get Caesar alone and then those other apes what was Rocket bad Ape 760 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,199 and uh Maurice and then Nova you know Nova. Yeah, I think it's 761 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,519 I think it's Charlton Heston's coming for you look out. I think it's the 762 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,159 same thing with like Blue Eyes, where I'm not upset that the death happened, 763 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:28,079 it's more so just the execution of it. It wasn't satisfying enough, 764 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,559 especially like come on, Luca, that's his boy from the zoo, right, 765 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,800 like like that was his first Gorilla. They get the ball rolling Luca 766 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,119 because yeah, like he helped Yeah, so good soldier man though, Luca 767 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,199 to the end, man, he like, I take him right or die 768 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,760 to the Actually was that the I don't know what? No, wasn't the 769 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,719 gorilla in the first apes. Wasn't that the one that died in the helicopter? 770 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,599 Oh? Yeah, you're right, Yeah, okay, never mind, 771 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,039 Remember he got Luca Luca can die then I guess he was in Rupert Riots 772 00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,840 apes. You'll Never be Lucas? Yeah? What about you? How do 773 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,039 you feel about some of these other death of the Chimpanzees apes? And and 774 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,159 also you can start off, how did you feel about Bad Ape? We 775 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,039 get made Steve's on who you know, massive fan for me day daycare? 776 00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,760 Man. I loved Steve's on that fucking movie. Man. So how do 777 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,079 you feel with those apes and a bad Ape being introduced? Because I feel 778 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:22,360 like that's a mixed character for people. Bad Ape. So well, yeah, 779 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,119 again the deaths, I don't have much else to add aside from it's 780 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:28,199 just it's it's it's it's a stakes and it just really really heavy. Yeah, 781 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,440 good good death. Fuck. I think that was Bad Ape. I 782 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,440 think he's a very interesting character. I liked seeing this ape because to me, 783 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,760 it was we have an introduction of an ape that's outside of the Caesars 784 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,760 group and this is our first foot out the door of understanding. Okay, 785 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,280 we can see that, Like as mentioned before, this flu is spread across 786 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840 the world, and there's other apes that are now affected by this, and 787 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,599 they they don't they mean, they don't have groups. They're just on their 788 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,519 own surviving, but they they are out there, and it's it's cool to 789 00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:02,559 see the spread of us and the great of of this the Ape. I 790 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:07,840 guess civilization because the movies do a good job at feeling like it's very small 791 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,400 and it's a limited just Caesars group and it's just a more of a minority 792 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,800 dealing with this war and everything. But for me, Bad Ape just feels 793 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,599 like he's just a victim of this, this fallout of this war. And 794 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,840 yeah, I think he's just an interesting character. Almost got blown away, 795 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,519 but he didn't. So Caesar doesn't survive, Bad Ape does. It's the 796 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:34,360 new leader now bad Ape bad is taken a lead. I could be I 797 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,800 wouldn't want that, but I think I like I like that he was just 798 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,920 he was talking and he was talking better than some of the other apes were 799 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,480 too. Yeah, And I guess at this stage of the game, like 800 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,079 not all the apes are still very like proficient English speakers. They're still they're 801 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:53,360 still getting there. Yeah, yeah, I'm I think bad ape. I 802 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,280 was maybe annoyed with my first go around much too. I think Taylor's false 803 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,480 claim that this movie has a lot of sweetness in it. I think that 804 00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:06,880 bad ape is needed now I've watched it this time, because it is a 805 00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,840 very die I don't know in needed right. I actually don't know that because 806 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,960 I watched The Batman. There's like no comedic like there's jokes, but there's 807 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,719 like a comedic character. It's fine, So I think honest like this I 808 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,719 think is probably my third watch of this one, I am more used to 809 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,920 it. I don't dislike the character. I think it's fine from a screen 810 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,559 time they have, so I think I generally go into the camp of it's 811 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,079 not a negative for me, but it's also not like if you took it 812 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,440 out of the movie, would I miss it? No, So that's what 813 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,280 you could do with runtime. Maybe I would take out some of his stuff 814 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,920 and give more time to the Colonel to add some more layers there. So 815 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,360 I'm kind of like positive in the middle of it. But I've seen a 816 00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:45,360 pivot of all this character noise, which I absolutely get because sometimes those characters 817 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,679 any the fuck out of me. I think with this one, I guess 818 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,840 even to that point too, like the Batman, Like, of course you're 819 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,199 dealing with Bruce Wayne's dead parents, but that's like years later this movie opens 820 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,960 up again with the murder of like a wife and a child. So it's 821 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,320 like, I I kind of understand why at some point where he's and coming 822 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,320 to and be like we need like somebody in here to just add like just 823 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,400 a breath, like just a breather to be like, hey, it's not 824 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,039 all just fucking awful because you're not making jokes at the camp. You're not 825 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,559 making jokes like right after season lose his family, so like to have this 826 00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:16,960 look, and I like Steve's on I think he plays it the right way. 827 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,960 So yeah, I end up being like I guess pro bad ape, 828 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,519 you know, but I'm not like gonna fight to the death for bad ape. 829 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:29,280 So yeah, I uh. For the most part, I didn't love 830 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,599 the just comedic relief character, but you do make a good point that you 831 00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:37,079 kind of need it for just how dour this movie is overall, like it 832 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,760 is very depressing, and there was a couple of moments that kind of got 833 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,039 me with just like his his certain reactions to the thing. But I think 834 00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:50,119 I'm think I'm I'm happy that they didn't overdo it with the humor. I 835 00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:53,320 think there's some moments that felt like maybe it was being overdone, but yeah, 836 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,519 it was. It was alright. He was also reminded me of my 837 00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,559 one grandfather, which was just hilarious because he's kind of smaller and you guys 838 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:07,960 called Grandpa just broke his soul every time. What's up back? They dressed 839 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000 like that too, Yeah, he does definitely if you were if he's wearing 840 00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:13,360 like a tuke or something, he just looks like a little little bad ape. 841 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:19,480 But no pants, no pants, he's cock out always Grandpa put some 842 00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,480 clothes on. I did like when he was wearing the sweater that was That 843 00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,719 was a funny moment, and I guess just also showing that, like there 844 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,400 are apes out there that are kind of just on their own and yeah, 845 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,599 what's your finger? I thought you were going a different way. I'll respond 846 00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:37,000 after them, Okay, No, I I like that, like just showing 847 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,360 that obviously, the Simon flu is everywhere and it's affecting apes. Everywhere, 848 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,159 and some apes that aren't necessarily you know, with a faction of of other 849 00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,960 ones and are just kind of on their own. And he is very loopy, 850 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,639 but it makes sense for someone that's just been living on their own and 851 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,000 and kind of just you know, getting stir crazy, like cabin favor, 852 00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:57,960 like you look like a hoarder. He had just all these objects everywhere. 853 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,960 When Nova kept grabbing things, he was like talking, He's like, don't 854 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,719 touch that, don't touch that. Like he just seems a little bit out 855 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,440 there in the psyche, which I guess it makes sense why he is kind 856 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,119 of comedic, because he is just goofy and weird and very different from the 857 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,440 other ones. And like Caesar is even just like I feel like he's never 858 00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:19,000 dealt with an ape like that before. He just it's like, well, 859 00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,519 I guess we kind of need everyone, especially someone that knows the location to 860 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:27,880 this one play freak. Yeah, as you say, the way you're going 861 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,119 is another reason. Well, I guess I think they add on bad ape 862 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:35,400 to for the lore he is. I guess when they go back to whatever 863 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,679 it is their new home, he's part of the apes that starts the kind 864 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,440 of inspiration for them to start wearing clothes and stuff because he wears it for 865 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,440 a different reason. But Matt Reeves said that was the end the intention there 866 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,639 because Apes so far having worn clothes, He's wearing clothes that kind of gets 867 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,039 them to even though I feel like in these movies spin years later they're not 868 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,800 really wearing too much clothes yet, but that was the intention. So there 869 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,960 you go, bad Apes started a trend, big fashion better Badie. It 870 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,400 makes sense why he's the one wearing the clothes too, because he just he's 871 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,480 so much more frail than the other ones. He doesn't have a lot of 872 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,000 hair compared so he needs a little bit more insulation. Yeah, I'm trying 873 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,119 to think, is there any I my notes? I think I have my 874 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:21,320 biggest note, Nova with the little nova symbol there. There's somebody supposed to 875 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,519 be the same characters that the That's where we get into like I kind of 876 00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:28,760 forgot about Nova. So a couple of weeks ago or months when we record 877 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,559 the episode, when I and Taylor were talking about like, hey, can 878 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,679 you make this still a prequel to the original Apes or is it its own 879 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,199 timeline? I think now with like the Nova stuff, you have to kind 880 00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:43,239 of lean into like it's its own timeline, which again I also think Kingdom 881 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,119 of the Plant Apes is going to probably shoot that theory as well too, 882 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:49,760 so I'm kind of fine with that. So I actually think Nova is a 883 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,119 character I could do without, to be honest, more than bad Ape. 884 00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,800 I don't think Nova really brings anything to the story other than like that's like 885 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,760 you said, that's the one good person. But it's like, I know 886 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,079 Caesar and Maurice and other apes, like not all of them hate humans. 887 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:05,679 They're taking care of someone. And I think it would be different if Caesar 888 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,400 survived and he's raising this human girl because he lost a child, and in 889 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,400 a sequel, you see, hey, I think there's something fun with that, 890 00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,280 the same way with it's funny with this movie. Houd Jump three hundred 891 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,119 years and we did down retro and that was a pitch from Mat where he's 892 00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:22,320 like, oh, let's not jump the future. That's here, and I 893 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,840 think there is something interesting. Okay, how does a female human grow up 894 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,280 in a like a with apes? Right, But that's not happening it they're 895 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,360 all apes the next one. So I think all the interesting stuff you could 896 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,039 do with Nova is not really touch bunch. She just kind of like I 897 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:38,679 guess, k. Of course she gives Caesar some food and helps with the 898 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,519 escape, but you could just shift that the bad ape or somebody, right, 899 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,000 Like I don't. Again, I don't think it's like a brings down 900 00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,320 the movie. But if you're also looking at screen time, where I think 901 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,039 it is, Like I said, what is this, I think it's two 902 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:52,360 and a half hours. There is a longer movie. I think there's some 903 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,159 things you could shave off or just put to somebody else, you know, 904 00:54:57,199 --> 00:55:00,840 like I said, the Coronel stuff. So it's two hours twenty so about 905 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,440 two fifteen two ten. So yeah, no, I didn't hate the characters. 906 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,719 Like all, I was bringing it down, but it wasn't needed. 907 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:07,960 But yeah, I guess it's uh. I think now it's just like a 908 00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:12,559 nice tribute to our Nova. And then it is a different timeline because this 909 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,920 couldn't be right as round years later should be dead. So yeah, but 910 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,440 who knows Cornelius. That name fucking passes around every fucking genner. So maybe 911 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,159 Nova's just very Papa in the human world there with the original Nova with Heston. 912 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,719 Yeah, no, yeah, I completely agree with you. I think 913 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,400 that it's not necessary to the story, but I I don't know. I 914 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,280 actually like the dynamic of especially Maurice like being super kind of protective of her, 915 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,639 like when when Caesar's like, we can't take her with us, like 916 00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:39,920 we gotta go, and He's like, I understand that, but like I 917 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,239 also can't leave her, so like the ball is kind of in your court? 918 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,480 Am I am I staying here? Or are we taking her with her 919 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,599 or taking her with us? And I don't know. It's just again with 920 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,320 the whole marketing material. I just love the image of them on the horse 921 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,360 and then you just have the one little girl that they're kind of protecting, 922 00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:00,639 and uh, just it's an interesting variable to have because now they're there's there's 923 00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,679 a vulnerable, squishy human with them, you know that that like it needs 924 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,400 protection and she would very much die on her own, like very fast with 925 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,840 with without them taking her own. So I don't know. It's it's a 926 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,280 dynamic I I liked, but didn't was it wasn't necessary. I agree, 927 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,559 Yeah, I think this is one of the things that I really like about 928 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:27,159 this movie, is just having her tag along. And I guess maybe for 929 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,119 Caesar it's just not like a pet project. But he sees it as a 930 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:36,480 way of keeping coexistence even after he is gone, and he can see this 931 00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,639 as being instilled in his in his people in the community, that there's a 932 00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:44,840 way for us to be the better here. And he understands that there's something 933 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,039 going on with the humans yet again, that they're they're going through their own 934 00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:52,320 tribulation here with this yet again. Yeah, so I think that I think 935 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:57,039 that it speaks volumes that he wanted to take in this this human, just 936 00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,519 this child and use it because I think, again, the child is very 937 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,280 innocent, and you could use this child to, like I said, build 938 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,800 up a better future by having this coexistence. And so I think that's why 939 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:12,679 it's very important to keep this child alive throughout this process, which again speaks 940 00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,599 even more volumes because he's at war, like fuck these humans, they are 941 00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:19,639 slaving him away, but yet he still wants this girl to stay alive and 942 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,159 stay safe. So I think it's I think she adds a lot more. 943 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,599 But as far as yeah, whatever her her fate is in three hundred years, 944 00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:29,519 I don't think that's uh, that's up for any kind of debate. 945 00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,800 I think she's she's dead. Maybe that's the other thing that makes you not 946 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,199 be able to speak, but it gives you longer life span. You know, 947 00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:39,760 would you make that trade, you would not just speak, but you'd 948 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,840 be dumb down like to Well, yeah, it's tough with the dumb day 949 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,199 because that doesn't happen in this movie though, right, like does she like 950 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:51,360 that's gonna have So I'm saying in this movie because I think if you add 951 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,320 the dumb downs, well clearly not. But like let's say I'm starting off 952 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,639 the pitches. You can live your you know, sixty eighty years or you 953 00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,159 live like three hundred years but do not speak. I all depends on life, 954 00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,239 like I think, like, right, I don't know, like I 955 00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:06,119 guess even right now, because I guess I could see my kids generation go 956 00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,440 and stuff, so that'd be quite funny. Me who speaks too much like 957 00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:13,760 not being able to speak. But I don't know, like because there's tons 958 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,599 of people in the world that can't speak or have like you know, our 959 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,559 mute and stuff, and they find their way. So I don't think I 960 00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:22,039 have sign language. Well yeah, like I don't think it's like a it's 961 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,239 not such a deter deterrent. That's just like a vampire thing. Like, 962 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:28,320 would I want to now live that long and see loved ones die? I 963 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,679 don't know, that's a that's an Originals question taking it. I'm not taking 964 00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:36,199 that deal. You're staying as a regular Kirklum right now. Yeah, I'll 965 00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:37,840 take I'll take the limited lifetime. Well, I'll love you kirk Clum. 966 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,000 Sorry, I'm taking the deal. You're taking the two geek first though. 967 00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:45,280 We gotta find something else, you see the end of the end of the 968 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,440 time. Yeah, we're just gonna make making years. We'll make some badass 969 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,519 silent films, you know, So anything else any other points before I get 970 00:58:55,559 --> 00:59:02,440 the trivia and final ratings, thinks. So I like seeing the donkeys and 971 00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:07,159 like their their war garb, like being like basically the pack mules for the 972 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,239 soldiers. It was just a cool image of them, like wearing the helmets 973 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,039 they got like some scout ones with just just the gun I don't know, 974 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,639 like ammo packs and in their back and having them as like the ones like 975 00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,360 reloading like the giant heavy machine guns. Like it was just a cool little 976 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,480 mixture. It makes me just you know, think of the possibilities of like 977 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:30,960 an RTS planning of the Apes games where we have a factions girl like that. 978 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:36,239 That would just be so fun to see those images. And I remember 979 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,920 thee I remember the trailers too, and the apes were fighting the apes, 980 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,760 and I was like, what the fuck's going on? I really liked that 981 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:45,320 aspect of because it's one It just like makes sense. These people were for 982 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,519 Coba, they wore they got killed. But that's just something it just again 983 00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,639 adds more like more dread to like there's other apes now against you, working 984 00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:55,960 for the humans, like fuck, like we can't even like like we go 985 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,280 to war with Coba's people and then we break bread, like what what ever 986 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,199 that happened? Let's figure it out? Like, No, there's apes that 987 01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:06,159 are actively whether it's winter, whether it's uh Donkey can't remember his full name 988 01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,880 there, but I'm sure that wasn't his real name. That's his name, 989 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,400 that was his name in the movie. No, but I mean like that 990 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,840 wasn't his name before, Like was he read donkey when he was with the 991 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,639 apes? Oh, I don't know, we never see that. That's That's 992 01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,360 what I meant. My real name, it's red Donkey. I just don't 993 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,159 like call him Red Donkey. It feels disrespectful, you know. But yeah, 994 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,840 coward, he betrayed his own race. Come on, we can call 995 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,719 him Red Donkey. Yeah, but then he fucking blewed that guy out with 996 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:37,440 the you know RBG yeah character. So yeah, I really like that aspect 997 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,920 because it's just there's something unerving about it to see the apes on the other 998 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,960 side with the humans taking orders again killing other apes, and they do that 999 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,519 with the Red Donkey one point. Its great when they're invading and he just 1000 01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:49,920 sees all these apes getting killed and he's finally clicking and I'm like, well, 1001 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,519 maybe I made some mistakes here, and even Caesar's like once there once 1002 01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:58,400 were gone like your next like, and I like, it makes complete sense. 1003 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,239 They're not going to keep you around, like he will eventually kill you. 1004 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:06,719 So no, I agree. I love that dynamic of having like it 1005 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,800 should be the apes are family sticking together, but you know they they were 1006 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:15,199 with Coba and now they're finding some sort of alliance with the humans. So 1007 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:20,039 it's it's it's pretty twisted in the sense of like you think you can trust 1008 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:25,400 the ones, especially like Caesar gave these apes like sentience, like like he 1009 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:31,280 is the one that administered like like the or I guess not all the apes, 1010 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,400 but at least the ones in the zoos, he was giving them the 1011 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,199 little syringe to to make them smarter. So there you go. I guess 1012 01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:42,239 it's not directly him that that was the one that gave them all what they 1013 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,440 have, but still kind of because he was, he led them out and 1014 01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:52,280 you're in rallied the forces. So yeah, I think his little dialogue was 1015 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,280 was pretty good of just him throwing these little jabs out to just kind of 1016 01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,000 sway him back over to the light side. Yeah, you let them call 1017 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:08,280 you donkey like the matter fucking idiot. It's red doggy actually. According to 1018 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:14,119 Matt Reeves, the name of the group rebelling humans are the Alpha and Omega, 1019 01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,599 a reference to the bomb, Mune a reference to the bomb. The 1020 01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:21,480 mutants warshipped and beneath the Planet Apes. Their logo of their hammets of flake 1021 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,360 matches the original logo on the bomb. So get ready came with Planet Apes. 1022 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:30,079 They're coming back. You know, I'll fucking Disney Fox Searchlight with whoever 1023 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,639 you are. If you guys go with the Mune route, I trust trust 1024 01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:36,360 me, you're gonna fucking fail and great on that one. Let's let's let's 1025 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,159 leave the mutants and the atomic bomb in the bass. Let's let's not do 1026 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,639 that. I talked about the water, I talk about bad apes. Close. 1027 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,519 Let's see when Maurice speaks to the human child with the new name Nova 1028 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,199 Nova. The dialogue was the actual voice of Charlton Heston. It had been 1029 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:57,480 electronically altered, but it's still clearly recognizable, which makes sense because when he 1030 01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,519 did talk, I was like, this doesn't sound like how Maurice talk usually. 1031 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,000 He was like much deeper than that moment, it was different, And 1032 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:06,760 yeah, it was a remixed version of Heston's voice. So always great that 1033 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,800 Heston somehow like they're always find a way to bring him back, because you 1034 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,079 know, it was just like this is Matt Reeve's trilogy. That was Charlton 1035 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,760 Hessen's play on the apes, you know. So it's so we got to 1036 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,559 keep consistent here. In October twenty sixteen, it was announced to be a 1037 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,519 fourth Ace film, So we were almost a decade away from when they announced 1038 01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:27,800 Kingdom to it releasing, which is crazy, awesto. We had strikes, 1039 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,440 some pandemic, lots of stuff, but still like they announced that, well 1040 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:34,119 fuck, I didn't even put two and together. They announced that before this 1041 01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:37,679 movie even came out before Fox was bought, because remember like a couple of 1042 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,000 years later Fox gets bought, so they announced a fourth one even before, 1043 01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,960 so probably them getting bought as well had a lot to do with that. 1044 01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:46,840 So didn't you put two and two together? Which is crazy because and we 1045 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,280 always mentioned as we drive by it, but uh, this was filmed in 1046 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,360 Hope, British Columbia and the Othella Tunnels, which is pretty crazy. I 1047 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,280 never thought about. Yeah, so we drive by there all the time. 1048 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,119 So yeah, I'm excited to go back there. Look for where we read 1049 01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,599 Donkey was hanging out and everything. Yeah, just find a gorilla skeleton there. 1050 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,639 Yeah, Woody Harrelson is still there. You guys like apes? No, 1051 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,400 okay, fuck y'all. Toby Kettle had expressed interest in reprising his performance 1052 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,920 as the Other as other character, or reprising his role as Coba or other 1053 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,440 characters. Plans to include Coba in a large role were abandoned early originally, 1054 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,920 which I did not know this. If you stayed until the very end of 1055 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,119 don Plant Apes, you hear Coba was breathing. I didn't know that. 1056 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,480 I never stay familiar, So I guess they like whatever We did that to 1057 01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,639 give a tiny crack of possible that we could revive cobD if we wanted. 1058 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:42,400 It was very early Spitball. Well, he just like falls in water, 1059 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,559 right like it was like a fire pit. The building was on fire. 1060 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:50,480 He felt like ten thousand feet but he fell, but he fell in a 1061 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:55,679 darkness tailor he falls in the darkness that could be anywhere. Right. He 1062 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,360 came back the same way. Come on, everybody comes back from that sec 1063 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,719 We realized there was nothing more to do with Koba, certainly nothing that would 1064 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,079 see what we've done the last story, but we knew we wanted to keep 1065 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:09,480 him alive as idea and playing in that reality what happened in the last film. 1066 01:05:09,559 --> 01:05:12,320 So and then they just explained what they did there. So I think 1067 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,079 that's a good idea. I think that's exactly that's the restraint you need you 1068 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:19,559 have a great film. I get I definitely understand of this is fantastic character. 1069 01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:21,760 What more could we do with them? And to sit back and go, 1070 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,679 you know what, they're really not much more, but let's utilize them 1071 01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:27,679 this way. I think it's perfect. It's very much like kind of like 1072 01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,679 what they did with Killmonger and Black Panther two. It's like exact same thing, 1073 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,599 right, So I am very happy, Like I don't know what Coble 1074 01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,559 were brought here, Like I guess I could see some version of Coba working 1075 01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:40,639 with the colonel, but like I don't know if I uh, I don't 1076 01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:43,159 know if I need that. I think this was the right call. I 1077 01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,599 like the trippy mind sequences, Yeah, Caesar just seeing him a different like 1078 01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:49,639 whether it's a dream sequence or when he's just tripping out. It's a lot 1079 01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:54,800 more effective than having this him come back like a terminator. He's like half 1080 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,280 robotic and there's whatever they go on already to write, like where would he 1081 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,199 fit in? It's the movie with like the other troops, like the the 1082 01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:06,480 White Soldiers, you know, and other snow garb. Yeah, he's piloting 1083 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:13,239 the helicopters, leading the full charge. Let's see. The final shot was 1084 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,039 originally Caesar's eyes closing and for the last time, then cut to blat After 1085 01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:19,480 discussing the scene with any Circus Matt reasons Circus Society, the audience need to 1086 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:28,880 see Caesar actually die. We just decided they would add emotional and emotional resonance 1087 01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:30,440 to the scene. If Maurice spoke the words as it would be the first 1088 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,480 time the character talked. He did say run and a few other things, 1089 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:38,119 but really like a full sentence and stuff. So originally that ending was just 1090 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:43,519 very but much like the second movie where they had original ending where it's like 1091 01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:45,800 the closed eyes and he's dead, where this was like, well, they 1092 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,480 added the Maurice speaking and him dying, So it seems like the endings they 1093 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:55,079 add a little more onto these eight films. Let's see it. For the 1094 01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,039 last scene when they filmed Caesars Dying, he said, pretty much everyone was 1095 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,800 on set and weeping openly for this moment. Big moment of this was because 1096 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,280 during the filming of this movie and he serves his mother passed away and that 1097 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,840 Ree's father passed away. So I guess it was just like a very wo 1098 01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:10,880 The last day of that set was a very emotional because it was just like 1099 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,320 a lot of things that happen your filming character's death. They had some big 1100 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,840 deaths. So Matt Reeve said Malcolm would not return because he was killed by 1101 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,199 the Colonel. An indirect reference to Malcolm and his family from the film was 1102 01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:27,679 cut in a conversation between Caesar and the Colonel. According to Reeves, that 1103 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:30,960 Malcolm was killed by the Colonel trying to persuade him that the Caesar, that 1104 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,960 Caesar and the Apes could be trusted, and much like the Franko thing. 1105 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,280 I wish they cut that. I wish I would have liked the same way 1106 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,960 we now like now, I know it hadken, but I would have liked 1107 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,119 to know, Okay, Will likely got sick and died if there was like 1108 01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:45,079 a little ad at all. This guy also killed Malcolm, and like, 1109 01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,079 fuck, what a piece of shit character. So I'm I wish they kept 1110 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:54,440 the reference where are you guys on that? I'm okay with the being not 1111 01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:58,239 said. Would it have been like the Colonel also found Will and assassinated him, 1112 01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:00,920 and then he also found Malcolm. No welcome. Will died from sickness. 1113 01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,440 You know, It's like Will's the one that started this all gotta take 1114 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:06,719 I found him, he was sick, and I shot him. Yeah, 1115 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:12,480 I think that would have been interesting to see. I like when movies tie 1116 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,239 in deeply together with little things like that little little Easter egg deep leading. 1117 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,560 Oh yeah, I think that would have been cool. Finally, at the 1118 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,479 end of the battle for the planet Apes, the camera comes into a close 1119 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,439 up on a face of caesar statue with a single tier that rolls down the 1120 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,159 eye of the left statue. At the end of this film, close with 1121 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,760 Caesar's face on the verge of his own death, a single tier rolls down 1122 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,800 his left eye, and finally in saying that you gotta give credit and reason 1123 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,439 the crew. I feel like, with you know, everything we talk about 1124 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,680 Heston, that's been one consistent thing I'd say from this trilogy is they were 1125 01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,159 always eluding and giving nice little tributes and shout outs to the films. Even 1126 01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,560 Battle, which we think is like a very meh film. I think we 1127 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,880 were all like, oh, yeah, it's fine. The last shot of 1128 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,000 that film being the tier on Caesars left die being the last shot this one. 1129 01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:57,159 It's like, man, you can tell the people that made this they 1130 01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:00,239 were Apes fans, they love this franchise, or they cared enough to go 1131 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,199 research, and that's like, because that's that's to me the East Eggs where 1132 01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,319 I like where it's like that doesn't take you on the movie at all. 1133 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:08,199 It's just a cool tying to the thing. And even it was the same 1134 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:11,720 universe, then you can oh, that's why. That's that fucking statue has 1135 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,680 a like a tearan or whatever. Right, So I'd lost some words there, 1136 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:24,279 but it's like whaty Harrelson there for? It's the getting Yeah, some 1137 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:30,000 breaks, but yeah, I will go. I came in here actually thinking 1138 01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:36,640 I was gonna drop another ten here, hopeful. Yeah, but I'll go 1139 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,560 just to shy under. I'll go nine point five because there's some things that 1140 01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,960 I was like a little like mixer unsure on. But then the more we 1141 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,640 talk about, go, okay, this is where I was. So even 1142 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,880 then, I think I could still even make a case for being a ten 1143 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,119 because there's so much good craftsmanship here, and there's I like the story and 1144 01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:56,039 the journey I'm find most of choice. But I'll go a nine point five. 1145 01:09:56,079 --> 01:10:01,119 So that's where I am. A tearfield. I'm trying to remember what 1146 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,479 you know. I know back in the day, I gave it a ten 1147 01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:08,039 out of ten. I'm gonna do it again. I'm gonna give it a 1148 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:11,600 ten out of ten. Boom, it squares up. It's even saving with 1149 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,079 that other the previous film. I think that it just kind of some days 1150 01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,680 I really think about where I would place them, but I just they're both 1151 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,159 on par with each other, and when I do the rank days, I'm 1152 01:10:20,199 --> 01:10:25,680 really gonna have to just like sit down and just fucking think hard on what 1153 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,680 I'm gonna do for that ranking. But yeah, this movie's just it's great 1154 01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,079 and I just think that the uh, the way it ends is great, 1155 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,119 and it's just it's such such a such a journey, such a journey, 1156 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:40,199 man. I just love that. Like said, some days I really think 1157 01:10:40,199 --> 01:10:42,680 about the ranking. I just wonder, like what inspires you to be? 1158 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,319 Like you sit down, like, man, what am I gonna do with 1159 01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:47,880 these rankings of the Apes films? But luckily we will be doing that as 1160 01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,920 a full episode, mister pass or fund rating. Final reading for this one, 1161 01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:56,520 close out this little mini chapter before we opened it back up for the 1162 01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,560 next chapter. I'm gonna give it eight out of ten on on this viewing. 1163 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,199 There's too many little things that that brought down my overall enjoyment. But 1164 01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:10,920 I still think this is a good emotional ride, especially you know, to 1165 01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,520 end Caesar's part to play in this story, I think it definitely is satisfying 1166 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:20,439 in that sense. And to just conclude like where our Apes are after the 1167 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,560 war, I think it's I think it's definitely a solid enough ending there and 1168 01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:29,640 very interested to what's gonna happen with Kingdom now that I'm all caught up. 1169 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,319 There's been a there's been a good retro. There's been a lot of funny 1170 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,000 moments so far, and definitely a top tier one. Yeah, yeah, 1171 01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:40,399 but no, it's been good, good movies. I think, good conversations 1172 01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:44,239 about like real life issues. We had some good meme and Joe's crad along 1173 01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:45,960 the way and yeah, let's just hope Kingdom planning Apes. Like even though 1174 01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:49,119 like you're lesser on I think there's other people lesser on this one. They 1175 01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:54,640 got they got a high bar to follow, and I don't know, I 1176 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,920 never watched divergent movies. For me, that's nothing that I thought was like, 1177 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,680 this guy should direct Apes. So again, as I said, as 1178 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,319 well, this is the guy that's directing Zelda. So for me, this 1179 01:12:03,359 --> 01:12:09,159 movie has to have some goods because I feel like Wes Ball but remember after 1180 01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:12,399 he's directing a live action Zelda movie, it's Kingdom Plannet. So it's like, 1181 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,439 to me, it's like if this sucks, it's like and this dude 1182 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,680 doing Zelda like so it's like there's to me there's a lot writing on this. 1183 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,920 I I for me, what I'm hoping is it's at least the quality 1184 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,479 of Rise, and then you can build upon that. But because I'm not 1185 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,119 expecting you to be Matt Reeve, because Matt Reeves is like I think he's 1186 01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:29,319 like, you know, floating the ether between these films and the Batman to 1187 01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:31,600 be like something special. But you know, you gotta you at least gotta 1188 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,560 match it somewhat. So we will see, we'll be there. There'll be 1189 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,880 a spoilers of you at some point. I think ours is going to be 1190 01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,560 a day earlier. We got a screening, so look out for that. 1191 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,159 And uh yeah, thank you everyone that checked out this retro let us know, 1192 01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:46,000 and we're not done. We'll do the review and then we'll do a 1193 01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,880 rankings. Episode'll rank the movies, characters, villains, all that stuff. 1194 01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:53,039 And I promise you it'll not be born. But